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'Knocked Up' Flick Didn't Knock Me Out
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As she points out, legions of single women in their twenties who get pregnant accidentally like Alison (Katherine Heigl) or Jenna (Keri Russell) in Waitress, have abortions; on the big or small screen, they have miscarriages or babies. In the movies, I might add, accidental babies solve the very issues (men, work, money, dreams) that, in real life, they often worsen. Jenna gives birth, dumps her abusive ox of a husband, wins the baking contest he'd barred her from entering and opens her own pie diner. Alison falls in love with Ben (Seth Rogen), her one-night drunken stand, and, after spending the whole movie hiding her pregnancy to keep her celebrity-reporting job at E!, gets outed -- and promoted. Pregnancy polls really well-- who knew?
Actually, though, the real subject of Knocked Up is the immaturity of men: only under the most desperate circumstances will they put aside their bongs, or their porn, or their even more idiotic friends. If a woman had made this movie she'd be labelled a total man-hater: there isn't one man in it who isn't basically a teenager. But a woman never would have made this movie, because women don't have the fantasy in which willowy creamy world-class beauties like Alison, with brains, great clothes, and tons of self-confidence in bed and out of it, go for men like Ben (Seth Rogen), who is not only an unemployed and underbathed stoner with no ambitions and no visible means of support, but physically unattractive to an alarming degree. A real-life Alison wouldn't have spent one night in his filthy teenage-boy lair of a bedroom, or hung out for one evening with his uber-slacker friends . I'll give you that she might have called him when she discovered she was pregnant-- but offer to entwine herself in coparenting for life with a one-night stand she couldn't even get through breakfast with the next morning? Invite this virtual stranger to all her prenatal checkups? I didn't even invite my husband!
No, this is a male rescue fantasy, like Sideways, in which Paul Giamatti, an bitter, mean, alcoholic, very unattractive failed writer is saved by Virginia Madsen, a gorgeous kindhearted waitress. And like The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Apatow's previous movie, in which Steve Carell, the nerdy obsessive-compulsive loner, is saved by the delightfully easy-going hottie Catherine Keener. The family-values morality of Knocked Up is just window dressing, in my view. It isn't marriage, per se, that makes Ben grow up and get real -- it's Allison, who besides being lovely, is warm, good-hearted, down-to-earth, mature, doesn't ask for marriage or money, and -- this is important -- laughs at his jokes, which are indeed funny.
I'm trying to think of a romantic comedy where these roles are reversed. A clever, screwed up, ugly woman gets the gorgeous hunk who sees her inner beauty. My Big Fat Greek Wedding is the closest I can think of (made by a woman, naturally), but Nia Vardalos's character is actually great looking once she gets out from under her father's thumb -- her mousiness in the early scenes is just a reflection of her downtroddenness. By the end of the movie she looks like, well, a movie star. A Greek movie star. Mostly in films the supposedly ugly-duckling heroine is actually pretty and in great shape, she just needs a makeover and a social life, like Cinderella.
The guys, though, remain their unprepossessing selves. Instead, they grow up just enough to make it to the altar with a hot babe. After that? It's clear that their wives will be the sergeants in the boot camp of married life. They'll be versions of Allison's married sister, who spends her life mourning her declining hotness and reminding her husband of errands and chores he denies having promised to do. This man is so childish that he sneaks out of the house on pretext of work not to have an affair, as his wife fears -- but to play fantasy baseball with the guys.
That's marriage in today's family-values Hollywood -- dysfunctional schlub meets hottie with a heart of gold. Boy meets Mom.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 3:36 AM
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But under what circumstances will women put aside the shoes, shopping malls and shiny pieces of jewelry?
Was Alternet all out of “Illegal Immigrants are saving the U.S.” articles?
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» Troll.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 29, 2007 3:53 AM
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» Or a spin off of “Scrubs” Set in an Abortion clinic.
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» I like that, it works on multiple levels
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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» It's half comedy
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» RE: It's comedy, folks.
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Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Jun 29, 2007 4:36 AM
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Posted by: janvdb on Jun 29, 2007 4:50 AM
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Movies are influential. They profoundly affect the attitudes of teenagers, in particular. But creating an alternate reality in which the option of abortion, which is the most likely outcome of the situation in the movie, is treated as unthinkable is an insidious type of propaganda.
When men see it portrayed that the reward for being an ugly, unfit, unattractive, irresponsible, immature schlub who has unsafe sex is marriage to beautiful, competent, financially-set woman -- what are men going to do?
I'm not going to see this piece of crap of a movie. I've read enough reviews to know that it is yet another bit of Hollywood propaganda promoting irresponsible parenthood, male stupidity, and a destructive refusal to face the facts about how women actually think and live.
And how women actually abort the unwanted fetuses of irresponsible, immature, second-rate men. Every day.
Because that is the right thing to do.
Jan VanDenBerg
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» Women should abort the unwanted fetuses of irresponsible, immature, second-rate men.
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Posted by: H_H on Jun 29, 2007 4:50 AM
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The formula that Katha doesn't seem to lke- goddesslike woman paired with loser man- is one that appears in many tv commercials for items which are primarily purchased by women. It's more of a "women are perfect stoics" image which has thusfar proven to be a rather successful formula in flattering and therefore selling stuff to the female demographic.
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» stern sociology lectures & late-trimester abortions
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» A BJ in the parking lot would have prevented Alison from getting pregnant.
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» RE: NO ONE *happily* has a late trimester abortion!
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Posted by: phelander on Jun 29, 2007 5:27 AM
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 5:33 AM
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I wish more women looked like her. Of course, I suppose, if more women looked like her, there would be a type a “hot chick inflation”.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 5:47 AM
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not only an unemployed and under bathed stoner with no ambitions and no visible means of support, but physically unattractive .
I thought this was a Hurricane Katrina article for a minute.
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Jun 29, 2007 6:02 AM
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But if a woman puts her career first and doesn't marry, she's empowered.
How dare men choose to be out there having a good time rather than serving some woman and children?
Not that most grown men resemble the sort of bumbling losers portraryed in the media (in movies like this one, for example), but of course anything that a man enjoys that doesn't serve a woman some way is "idiotic". Which is just about everything, now that I think of it. Golf is idiotic. Garage hobbies are idiotic. Flying small planes is idiotic. Why aren't these men out trying to make a fortune so that they can give some "hottie" female waitress a life of ease?
"who is not only an unemployed" "with no ambitions"
Here we come to the core of the modern female perception of men: wallet to be looted and nothing more.
"A real-life Alison wouldn't have spent one night in his filthy teenage-boy lair of a bedroom, or hung out for one evening with his uber-slacker friends"
Because women bring a checklist to every relationship, right? Oh, all these checkboxes are filled in? I must be in love!
"No, this is a male rescue fantasy"
Rescued from what? A life of ease into being a workaday slave for a wife he barely knows and a child he never asked for, who more likely than not will divorce him, at which point he really does become a financial slave.
But I think the author is right. It is a fantasy, in the sense that most women these days would just sue for child support and have all they want without the man being around.
The time of marrying for sake of your children is long past, isn't it.
Notice too that the author thinks that because the principal female character is a "hottie" that she somehow is entitled to someone "better" (presumably some wealthy bloke). Frankly, the "easy-going" is a far better recommendation for mate material. If she is truly easy-going and fun to be with, and stays that way instead of morphing over the years, then he hasn't done so badly after all.
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» If all else fails pressure the women to get an abortion.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 6:48 AM
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» RE: Those shows are geared to women...Be serious
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Jun 29, 2007 6:56 AM
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Anyway, can abortion be funny? Sure. If the sitcom WEEDS, in which a suburban widow becomes a mega pot dealer, can be funny, then why not? I might give a try at writing it myself.
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» “Hey guy, Just like these fetuses, I wasn’t born yesterday” –Eric Cartman
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Posted by: Puttin' on the foil on Jun 29, 2007 7:02 AM
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» RE: Funny, talk about bitter...
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» katha pollit gives me hope..
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» RE:maybe you should actually watch the film
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Posted by: Cruella on Jun 29, 2007 8:11 AM
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But the good news of course is that the number of film roles for women is growing...
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» And if you would like to nominate your own worst film of all time...
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 29, 2007 8:29 AM
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... and this is why I hated it.
Hollywoodland is using the same marketing superhero comix use... slinky babes for every geek. Ever see a superhero comic lately? Like a MAXIM magazine. The movies are doing the same thing. That is, this is just a trashy, boyish, fantasy.
... and so was Sideways *shiver*, that movie drives me mad. At least it gave Sandra Oh a chance to slut herself for a better job. ;p
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Posted by: ateo on Jun 29, 2007 8:51 AM
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Was the marriage completely open?
Did she, in all her feminist glory, tell her "slacker loser" husband not to worry about getting a job because he could stay at home and put the kid in daycare?
I thought feminists were ok with men making less than women? But when they do it makes them slackers/losers and unfit partners? Hmm, I guess the shallowness and greed of the female gender knows no ideological bounds.
When the woman has her game together (career, money, education) it's not ok for her to marry a guy that doesn't? Ok, but if you're a woman that doesn't have her game together (student, waitress, childcare worker) don't expect a guy that does to marry you because at best you're a life long financial burden and at worst you are going to cash out of the marriage after 5 or 10 years and take half of everything he owns.
This article is worse than the movie it reviews, which is quite remarkable.
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» RE: Male fantasy?
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» RE: Male fantasy?
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» Good point, and how many of them were women? Oh I suppose it doesn't matter, we have Hollywood...
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Posted by: youngdem on Jun 29, 2007 8:57 AM
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Plenty of people have children when they haven't reached that point, and giving birth doesn't get you there.
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Posted by: kenhymes on Jun 29, 2007 8:59 AM
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Thankfully, many men and women in the culture have long ago moved past stifling, restrictive ideas about success and relationships, and are enjoying each other, warts and all, through good times and bad. that's what marriage is all about, whether the couple "deserve" each other or not, whether they are thin or fat, gay or straight, rich or poor.
Pollitt is still in the 70's. Yawn.
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» "relationships are all about the body; men have to be financially successful to be interesting"
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» I agree about being difficult. Never let them figure you out, keep their heads spinning and their
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» This feminist in NC loves Katha Pollitt's articles
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Posted by: Emceesquared on Jun 29, 2007 9:02 AM
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» Gosh? Are you saying Hollywood relies on formula?
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Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Jun 29, 2007 9:22 AM
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I had had high expectations as I really laughed at the director's previous movie, 40-year old Virgin. Mind you, in the 40-Year old Virgin (unlike Knocked Up) the male lead is hard-working, funny, smart and quirky and the female lead is very likeable too. And they get to know each other over a long time.
But in Knocked Up, Allison suddenly decides to marry Ben (whil giving birth!). Ben the lazy, but funny, stoner guy (who has suddenly gets a decent job and pad). The same Ben who shows his real character during an earthquake scene when he rushes out the door with his bong and not a flicker of concern for his pregnant girlfriend.
When you see a girlfriend doing somethng like that, you have to point out that she is seriously crazy. Live with the guy (if you must) and see if the new leaf is for real but marry him?? And that guy is going to be the father of your child?! That's a very good argument for using birth control.
I don't mind that Apatow is making message movies: wait for sex until you're married, don't have abortions but you gotta make them funny and have some likeable characters.
The women characters in Knocked Up are shallow, shrill and/or crazy nags but good-looking which apparently excuses some actions (like Allison kicking Ben out in the middle of traffic). And the male characters are lazy, gross but fun guys.
The movie gets rave reviews on Rotten Tomatoes but the women reviewers don't like it quite as much.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 29, 2007 9:33 AM
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Posted by: bowriter on Jun 29, 2007 9:35 AM
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"There is a quick and easy way" you say
Before you illustrate
I'd rather state :
"I'm not the man you think I am
I'm not the man you think I am"
-Pretty Girls Make Graves. The Smiths.
I'll let Morrissey speak for me.
G'day--
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Posted by: St. Kevin on Jun 29, 2007 9:55 AM
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Posted by: ianfan on Jun 29, 2007 10:38 AM
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Ridiculous. Beyond non-productive to the point of actually being damaging to simply having civilized discourse.
The authors points are very valid in terms of how art reflects our veiw of reality and actually has impact on it. The point about the big and small screen not being able to deal with the reality of abortion is important. It's clear and obvious.
That shouldn't make people immediately frame this as the stereotype of radical feminism or political correctness run rampid that they have learned to hate and to reflexively marginalize. It should simply be taken for what it's worth.
Okay. Having said that, it doesn't validate everyone who hates men. It simply is what it is, which personaly, I think is a very insightful comment of our media.
Look when Alito is sighting Jack Baur in his opinions, you can't say our art doesn't come back and influence our actions and perceptions of reality. All this piece is doing is pointing out a case where that is happening in a pretty otherwise iccoculous form.
Yes this is comedy. Yes I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief. Okay, you can also get more understand about our society and ourselves if you look a little deeper, and you can do it without jumping to an extreme or casting those on the other side of a thought as a ludcirous extreme.
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Posted by: gonzoyak on Jun 29, 2007 10:42 AM
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Pollitt's lopsided "lookism" is tolerable because I just can't take it seriously. And I can overlook (gladly) the call to arms on the abortion issue, because a) I don’t think there's any way to make abortion funny without resorting to shock humor, and b) if they decided not to have it, that would make it an entirely different film, wouldn’t it? Yes, a real woman in Heigl's situation would probably consider terminating an unwanted pregnancy (especially one conceived so stupidly) but it is a comedy, and a romantic one at that, which means it's not exactly documentary material. In short, lighten the f**k up, please.
What I found galling was Pollitt's umbrage at the bit where Pete is caught "cheating" with his fantasy baseball league (a sentiment echoed by my girlfriend and other women who saw the film – I don't think they took it as a joke, or at least didn't "get it"). Forget that he lied about it, because he was assuming – probably rightly – that he would never have been given leave from his household duties for something so frivolous. What gives with all the scorn, from women both onscreen and off? The argument that ensued was so intense as to make one think he had been cheating . . . does lying for the sake of something other than sex make it better or worse in the female mind, I wonder? Is it not enough that Pete has become a responsible husband and father and accepted the sacrifice involved, but he also has to give up on any notion of fun for fun's sake? The nerve of that man, wanting to have a hobby! And then to top it off his wife, Debbie accuses him of "selfishness" for sneaking off to have some innocent fun – when ironically the whole plot is kicked off by a clubbing excursion she initiates with her sister so she can flirt with men and boost her fading "hottie" self-image. Way responsible and not selfish at all, She-Ra. Who was watching the kids then? The selfish, immature, irresponsible, and deceitful henpecked husband that she totally takes for granted, no doubt. And of course, Debbie's lack of self-reflection or objectivity is echoed by Pollitt's similar disgust at this "childish" behavior – fantasy baseball! Why, next he'll want to buy a guitar or build a workbench – better nip that in bud, because someone needs to cover for Mommy while she goes out to and leverages her empowered hotness for free drinks at the club.
Yes, this film is about the immaturity of men, but in her humorless P.C. prudishness Pollitt misses the lampoon – and also that the flipside of the slacker man-child stereotype is the relentlessly demanding and controlling nature of women, which often drives men to fantasy baseball (and more nefarious vices) for escape. If anybody's relationships are to work we have to at least be willing to honor each others' values even if we don't completely share them, and make the necessary compromises to show that respect through cooperation. Isn't that really the point?
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Posted by: pre-emptive impeachment on Jun 29, 2007 10:53 AM
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I'm all for women's rights and equality and other completely unrelated things but I really don't go into comedies to learn about them and analyze them I go for the extraordinarily overpriced movie tickets, but mostly for entertainment of both the movie and whoever I'm with.
On a side note:
Can I make the argument that this movie was anti-abstinence because people had sex and someone got knocked up? If they practiced abstinence then this wouldn't have happened. That would have made a great movie.
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» Ha, yes a great movie indeed, they get drunk, she takes him back to her place, they play chess...
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Posted by: Tea on Jun 29, 2007 12:54 PM
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This show has been made several times around the world and is always popular. In the American version, Ugly Betty, Betty isn't ugly (just a bit frumpy) and she only dates her fellow geeks. It's still a good show, but the writers and producers have copped out of the original premise that worked all over the world. Old ugly geeky guys get beautiful women in Hollywood stories, but it's never reversed. Very lame.
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» Or we could have a realistic movie where ugly people marry other ugly people and have ugly kids nm
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Posted by: mark on Jun 29, 2007 2:30 PM
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Also, how often does a guy who impregnates a girl on a one night stand do the right thing and stick by her, attempting to make a relationship out of it? And when the guy does do the noble thing, how rare is it that he doesn't turn into a bitter asshole at the thought of her and the baby ruining his carefree lifestyle.
Of course I'm not saying that Alison is lucky to have found these results. In a fair society they should be the norm. But a true feminist would likely not see in this film a prime target for criticism. It is fantasy for both sexes - something to make us smile and feel all warm and fuzzy inside before we return to the harsh realities of life.
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Posted by: SayBlade on Jun 29, 2007 4:31 PM
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Surprisingly Katherine Heigl, at one time had darker hair making her look a little like Eckler. I wonder if Seth Rogan looks anything like Eckler's husband.
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Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 11:29 PM
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Wasn’t Catherine Keener’s character a 40 year old mother of 3 and grandmother? That is the text book definition of damaged goods. Did Steve Carell find her at the “scratch and dent sale”?
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