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Movie Mix

'Knocked Up' Flick Didn't Knock Me Out

By Katha Pollitt, TheNation.com. Posted June 29, 2007.


According to director Judd Apatow's family values, beautiful women drag men into adulthood. Then what?
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Last night I finally saw Knocked Up, Judd Apatow's hilarious new movie, a raunchfest with a family-values core --- carrying on with accidental pregnancies, marriage as responsible adulthood, staying together for the sake of the kids. I'm not going to get into that here, except to second Dana Stevens' great piece in Slate on Hollywood and TV's cowardice about abortion (referred to in Knocked Up by the hero's slacker roommate as "rhymes with shmashmortion" and, by the heroine's ice-cold mother, as "taking care of it").

As she points out, legions of single women in their twenties who get pregnant accidentally like Alison (Katherine Heigl) or Jenna (Keri Russell) in Waitress, have abortions; on the big or small screen, they have miscarriages or babies. In the movies, I might add, accidental babies solve the very issues (men, work, money, dreams) that, in real life, they often worsen. Jenna gives birth, dumps her abusive ox of a husband, wins the baking contest he'd barred her from entering and opens her own pie diner. Alison falls in love with Ben (Seth Rogen), her one-night drunken stand, and, after spending the whole movie hiding her pregnancy to keep her celebrity-reporting job at E!, gets outed -- and promoted. Pregnancy polls really well-- who knew?

Actually, though, the real subject of Knocked Up is the immaturity of men: only under the most desperate circumstances will they put aside their bongs, or their porn, or their even more idiotic friends. If a woman had made this movie she'd be labelled a total man-hater: there isn't one man in it who isn't basically a teenager. But a woman never would have made this movie, because women don't have the fantasy in which willowy creamy world-class beauties like Alison, with brains, great clothes, and tons of self-confidence in bed and out of it, go for men like Ben (Seth Rogen), who is not only an unemployed and underbathed stoner with no ambitions and no visible means of support, but physically unattractive to an alarming degree. A real-life Alison wouldn't have spent one night in his filthy teenage-boy lair of a bedroom, or hung out for one evening with his uber-slacker friends . I'll give you that she might have called him when she discovered she was pregnant-- but offer to entwine herself in coparenting for life with a one-night stand she couldn't even get through breakfast with the next morning? Invite this virtual stranger to all her prenatal checkups? I didn't even invite my husband!

No, this is a male rescue fantasy, like Sideways, in which Paul Giamatti, an bitter, mean, alcoholic, very unattractive failed writer is saved by Virginia Madsen, a gorgeous kindhearted waitress. And like The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Apatow's previous movie, in which Steve Carell, the nerdy obsessive-compulsive loner, is saved by the delightfully easy-going hottie Catherine Keener. The family-values morality of Knocked Up is just window dressing, in my view. It isn't marriage, per se, that makes Ben grow up and get real -- it's Allison, who besides being lovely, is warm, good-hearted, down-to-earth, mature, doesn't ask for marriage or money, and -- this is important -- laughs at his jokes, which are indeed funny.

I'm trying to think of a romantic comedy where these roles are reversed. A clever, screwed up, ugly woman gets the gorgeous hunk who sees her inner beauty. My Big Fat Greek Wedding is the closest I can think of (made by a woman, naturally), but Nia Vardalos's character is actually great looking once she gets out from under her father's thumb -- her mousiness in the early scenes is just a reflection of her downtroddenness. By the end of the movie she looks like, well, a movie star. A Greek movie star. Mostly in films the supposedly ugly-duckling heroine is actually pretty and in great shape, she just needs a makeover and a social life, like Cinderella.

The guys, though, remain their unprepossessing selves. Instead, they grow up just enough to make it to the altar with a hot babe. After that? It's clear that their wives will be the sergeants in the boot camp of married life. They'll be versions of Allison's married sister, who spends her life mourning her declining hotness and reminding her husband of errands and chores he denies having promised to do. This man is so childish that he sneaks out of the house on pretext of work not to have an affair, as his wife fears -- but to play fantasy baseball with the guys.

That's marriage in today's family-values Hollywood -- dysfunctional schlub meets hottie with a heart of gold. Boy meets Mom.

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Katha Pollitt is a columnist for The Nation.



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When did the Women’s Studies department start writing movie reviews?
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 3:36 AM   
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…the real subject of Knocked Up is the immaturity of men: only under the most desperate circumstances will they put aside their bongs, or their porn, or their even more idiotic friends…

But under what circumstances will women put aside the shoes, shopping malls and shiny pieces of jewelry?

Was Alternet all out of “Illegal Immigrants are saving the U.S.” articles?

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» Troll. Posted by: janvdb
It's comedy, folks.
Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 29, 2007 3:53 AM   
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Yes, in real life, she would be wise to seek an abortion, but "Knocked Up" is comedy, and commitedly pro-choice as I am, I can't imagine a comedy with an abortion, can you?

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» RE: It's comedy, folks. Posted by: janvdb
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» It's half comedy Posted by: leighsure
» RE: It's comedy, folks. Posted by: owleyes
WOW
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Jun 29, 2007 4:36 AM   
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This author needs to get a little more fiber in her diet.

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Hurray for Katha Pollit -- Hollywood's refusal to understand women has real effects on our culture
Posted by: janvdb on Jun 29, 2007 4:50 AM   
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When the entire entertainment complex can't deal honestly with abortion -- which ends a third of American pregnancies -- and consistently serve up a deluded, male-fantasy version of gender realities, our entire culture is getting screwed.

Movies are influential. They profoundly affect the attitudes of teenagers, in particular. But creating an alternate reality in which the option of abortion, which is the most likely outcome of the situation in the movie, is treated as unthinkable is an insidious type of propaganda.

When men see it portrayed that the reward for being an ugly, unfit, unattractive, irresponsible, immature schlub who has unsafe sex is marriage to beautiful, competent, financially-set woman -- what are men going to do?

I'm not going to see this piece of crap of a movie. I've read enough reviews to know that it is yet another bit of Hollywood propaganda promoting irresponsible parenthood, male stupidity, and a destructive refusal to face the facts about how women actually think and live.

And how women actually abort the unwanted fetuses of irresponsible, immature, second-rate men. Every day.

Because that is the right thing to do.

Jan VanDenBerg

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Not enough abortions in the movies, eh, Katha?
Posted by: H_H on Jun 29, 2007 4:50 AM   
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Katha's kind of movie is where the main characters deliver stern sociology levctures culminating in a stinging denunciation of capitalism and then happily having late-trimester abortions.

The formula that Katha doesn't seem to lke- goddesslike woman paired with loser man- is one that appears in many tv commercials for items which are primarily purchased by women. It's more of a "women are perfect stoics" image which has thusfar proven to be a rather successful formula in flattering and therefore selling stuff to the female demographic.

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The level of scrutiny this sweet movie gets is INSANE
Posted by: phelander on Jun 29, 2007 5:27 AM   
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It's ONE STORY about a guy and a girl and their lives. It happens to tell the story of a guy growing up and taking responsibility and what it means to be together in a relationship. What people like the author of this crusty little review need to remember is CHOICE is discussed. The mere fact that she has a choice is better than HAVING TO go one way or the other. Honestly thought what this crusty little reviewer needs to do is smoke a fatty and lighten the fuck up.

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Katherine Heigl is beautiful like the feminist author suggest.
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 5:33 AM   
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After all she is tall, thin, blond. Are those tits real? Oh well if I can touch them they’re real enough. How does she stay in shape? What ever it is, she should let the obese American Oprah crowd know. Like the author, I value Katherine Heigl more as a human being because of the way she looks.

I wish more women looked like her. Of course, I suppose, if more women looked like her, there would be a type a “hot chick inflation”.

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Aren’t these the people Alternet is always championing?
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 5:47 AM   
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not only an unemployed and under bathed stoner with no ambitions and no visible means of support, but physically unattractive .


I thought this was a Hurricane Katrina article for a minute.

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Misandrist drivel
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Jun 29, 2007 6:02 AM   
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"Actually, though, the real subject of Knocked Up is the immaturity of men: only under the most desperate circumstances will they put aside their bongs, or their porn, or their even more idiotic friends."

But if a woman puts her career first and doesn't marry, she's empowered.

How dare men choose to be out there having a good time rather than serving some woman and children?

Not that most grown men resemble the sort of bumbling losers portraryed in the media (in movies like this one, for example), but of course anything that a man enjoys that doesn't serve a woman some way is "idiotic". Which is just about everything, now that I think of it. Golf is idiotic. Garage hobbies are idiotic. Flying small planes is idiotic. Why aren't these men out trying to make a fortune so that they can give some "hottie" female waitress a life of ease?

"who is not only an unemployed" "with no ambitions"

Here we come to the core of the modern female perception of men: wallet to be looted and nothing more.

"A real-life Alison wouldn't have spent one night in his filthy teenage-boy lair of a bedroom, or hung out for one evening with his uber-slacker friends"

Because women bring a checklist to every relationship, right? Oh, all these checkboxes are filled in? I must be in love!

"No, this is a male rescue fantasy"

Rescued from what? A life of ease into being a workaday slave for a wife he barely knows and a child he never asked for, who more likely than not will divorce him, at which point he really does become a financial slave.

But I think the author is right. It is a fantasy, in the sense that most women these days would just sue for child support and have all they want without the man being around.

The time of marrying for sake of your children is long past, isn't it.

Notice too that the author thinks that because the principal female character is a "hottie" that she somehow is entitled to someone "better" (presumably some wealthy bloke). Frankly, the "easy-going" is a far better recommendation for mate material. If she is truly easy-going and fun to be with, and stays that way instead of morphing over the years, then he hasn't done so badly after all.

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» RE: Misandrist drivel Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Misandrist drivel Posted by: Logic's Edge
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» RE: Misandrist drivel Posted by: skybluesky
Those shows are geared to women.
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 6:48 AM   
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Like on the “King of Queen” The husband is a fat UPS worker married to a beautiful, intelligent wife. What man invasions his life like that? That is a complete female perception of reality.

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Bravo!
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jun 29, 2007 6:56 AM   
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Of course comedies aren't necessarily supposed to be "realistic" but the commentary on this film leads to an interesting point--young single women have abortions, and that's rarely reflected in our films. That's because representations of pregnancy usually lead to children, and nearly as often "happy" marriages. Entertainment is there to make us laugh, but humor can also make us think and shape the way we view our positions in the world. It's a theory of comedy. Why lit scholars find it useful to analyze the role of the clown in Shakespeare's plays. He serves a political function as well.

Anyway, can abortion be funny? Sure. If the sitcom WEEDS, in which a suburban widow becomes a mega pot dealer, can be funny, then why not? I might give a try at writing it myself.

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Funny
Posted by: Puttin' on the foil on Jun 29, 2007 7:02 AM   
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On a site that largely draws insightful commentary it takes a woman's musings on gender bias to dig up the gems. Maybe the White House staff happened to log in en masse to comment on this piece, but I was surprised at the timbre of the response. A progressive site can tolerate anti-establishment commentary but won't be lectured by a woman. It makes Ms. Pollitt's point all the stronger.

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» RE: Funny, talk about bitter... Posted by: EasterBunny
Right on the money
Posted by: rcmath on Jun 29, 2007 8:10 AM   
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While I thoroughly enjoyed "Knocked Up", the film's humor really did come from its depiction of men as goofy, irresponsible teenagers at heart. As my boyfriend put it, the film captured the essence of male camaraderie. The plot - pregnancy and women - were simply disturbances to the bliss of bachelorhood. Normally I would excuse this flaw, because the film is, after all, just a romantic comedy. But I could not get past its depiction of the secondary female character, Debbie. Quite simply, Debbie is a nagging, distrustful bitch. All she does is pester her (lovable, attractive, generally absent) husband for not being around. Furthermore, SHE becomes the bad guy when she suspects him of cheating, only to discover that he is playing fantasy baseball (go o's!). The moral of the story? Yeah, he was lying to her, but can you blame him? Debbie has no depth, and no opportunity to be seen beyond her role as what new mommies become after a few years. Somehow, the female characters become the weaknesses in a film about parenthood - go figure.

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My least favourite film of all time
Posted by: Cruella on Jun 29, 2007 8:11 AM   
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...has to be Jerry Maguire... I actually left a first date with a guy I quite liked just to get out of the cinema to avoid watching any more of that one. Tom Cruise leaves his confident business-woman fiance who is bisexual (eww!) and offers him a threesome (guys hate threesomes apparently!) and sets up with his single-mum secretary (don't worry she's widowed, not divorced!) who lives with her sister (childless, divorced and super-miserable). There's a scene where Tom and the secretary are out on the town and you see the divorced sister at a "divorced women's club" (are there such things?) sat around complaining about their ex-husbands (if there were such clubs would they do this?) and then sat alone smoking (evil! evil!) in a darkened kitchen while ms. widowed laughs with TC in the driveway.

But the good news of course is that the number of film roles for women is growing...

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» RE: jerry maguire was a great film Posted by: EasterBunny
Hated Sideways
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 29, 2007 8:29 AM   
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Sideways, in which Paul Giamatti, an bitter, mean, alcoholic, very unattractive failed writer is saved by Virginia Madsen, a gorgeous kindhearted waitress.

... and this is why I hated it.

Hollywoodland is using the same marketing superhero comix use... slinky babes for every geek. Ever see a superhero comic lately? Like a MAXIM magazine. The movies are doing the same thing. That is, this is just a trashy, boyish, fantasy.

... and so was Sideways *shiver*, that movie drives me mad. At least it gave Sandra Oh a chance to slut herself for a better job. ;p

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Male fantasy?
Posted by: ateo on Jun 29, 2007 8:51 AM   
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Did the sexy blond turn out to be a ravenously bisexual nymphomaniac with many, many attractive female "friends?"

Was the marriage completely open?

Did she, in all her feminist glory, tell her "slacker loser" husband not to worry about getting a job because he could stay at home and put the kid in daycare?

I thought feminists were ok with men making less than women? But when they do it makes them slackers/losers and unfit partners? Hmm, I guess the shallowness and greed of the female gender knows no ideological bounds.

When the woman has her game together (career, money, education) it's not ok for her to marry a guy that doesn't? Ok, but if you're a woman that doesn't have her game together (student, waitress, childcare worker) don't expect a guy that does to marry you because at best you're a life long financial burden and at worst you are going to cash out of the marriage after 5 or 10 years and take half of everything he owns.

This article is worse than the movie it reviews, which is quite remarkable.

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» RE: Male fantasy? Posted by: hot karlrove
What's a lifestyle choice and what's "Growing Up"?
Posted by: youngdem on Jun 29, 2007 8:57 AM   
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Not everyone has children and gets married when they grow up, some people choose not to do one or the other. Being an adult is more about standing on your own, taking care of yourself, and making your own decisions. I'm not sure you can competently take care of others until you reach that point, and marriage is orthogonal to it.
Plenty of people have children when they haven't reached that point, and giving birth doesn't get you there.

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Pollitt
Posted by: kenhymes on Jun 29, 2007 8:59 AM   
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Longtime Nation readers who are not New York intellectual feminists know Pollitt as a humorless drag, who lectures everyone who disagrees with her about anything. This isn't about feminism: the movie is a critique of male behavior. The irony is that Pollitt uses sexist assumptions (relationships are all about the body; men have to be financially successful to be interesting or worthwhile; beautiful women "deserve" handsome, powerful men) to give content to what would otherwise be a fairly obvious and boring message: the movie made her uncomfortable, and didn't help her maintain her ideas about the world.

Thankfully, many men and women in the culture have long ago moved past stifling, restrictive ideas about success and relationships, and are enjoying each other, warts and all, through good times and bad. that's what marriage is all about, whether the couple "deserve" each other or not, whether they are thin or fat, gay or straight, rich or poor.

Pollitt is still in the 70's. Yawn.

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» I have to agree Posted by: H_H
Consider if the characters' gender was reversed ...
Posted by: Emceesquared on Jun 29, 2007 9:02 AM   
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There's a two-edged sword that deters moviemakers from having the unattractive, socially-inept, dull-witted if witty character be female, and the heart-of-gold, what-a-catch character be male: both men and women would likely find the female portrayal mean-spirited, degrading and chauvanistic, while, on the other hand, most men and women view such a male character as either a lovable bumbler, too silly and playful to give offense, or as a benign make-believe personna right out of real life, ala the husband who loudly claims that his wife makes all the decisions, so long as everyone understands that it is only a male taskmaster who would publicly proclaim such deference to a female spouse.

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Knocked Up: male stoner fantasy comes true
Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Jun 29, 2007 9:22 AM   
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yeah I really hated Knocked Up.

I had had high expectations as I really laughed at the director's previous movie, 40-year old Virgin. Mind you, in the 40-Year old Virgin (unlike Knocked Up) the male lead is hard-working, funny, smart and quirky and the female lead is very likeable too. And they get to know each other over a long time.

But in Knocked Up, Allison suddenly decides to marry Ben (whil giving birth!). Ben the lazy, but funny, stoner guy (who has suddenly gets a decent job and pad). The same Ben who shows his real character during an earthquake scene when he rushes out the door with his bong and not a flicker of concern for his pregnant girlfriend.

When you see a girlfriend doing somethng like that, you have to point out that she is seriously crazy. Live with the guy (if you must) and see if the new leaf is for real but marry him?? And that guy is going to be the father of your child?! That's a very good argument for using birth control.

I don't mind that Apatow is making message movies: wait for sex until you're married, don't have abortions but you gotta make them funny and have some likeable characters.

The women characters in Knocked Up are shallow, shrill and/or crazy nags but good-looking which apparently excuses some actions (like Allison kicking Ben out in the middle of traffic). And the male characters are lazy, gross but fun guys.

The movie gets rave reviews on Rotten Tomatoes but the women reviewers don't like it quite as much.

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Understanding women
Posted by: willymack on Jun 29, 2007 9:33 AM   
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A complete understanding of women is as futile a pursuit as a complete understanding of humanity-or even ourselves. Next best thing is to love them and do what we KNOW to be right by them.

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Shrill
Posted by: bowriter on Jun 29, 2007 9:35 AM   
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Upon the sand, upon the bay
"There is a quick and easy way" you say
Before you illustrate
I'd rather state :
"I'm not the man you think I am
I'm not the man you think I am"
-Pretty Girls Make Graves. The Smiths.

I'll let Morrissey speak for me.

G'day--

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Women can have all the empowering "ugly duckling" stories they want...
Posted by: St. Kevin on Jun 29, 2007 9:55 AM   
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...but when a film like Knocked Up is made, someone, somewhere has to have an issue with it. This writer is clearly not a feminist, but rather a sexist abusing what feminism once stood for. I'm a male. I'm also a feminist, believing that much work still has to be done in order to ensure "equality" among the sexes. I do not, however, believe that equality necesitates every film being made from a female perspective. This entire article is ridiculous and any real feminist would be ashamed of it.

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The Comments Here are Ridiculous...
Posted by: ianfan on Jun 29, 2007 10:38 AM   
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...taken as a whole. They also clealry demonstrate some of the problems with public discussion of issue in our country. Pretty much to a person here people jump to one extreme of an issue and cast those who are saying anything different in the other extreme.

Ridiculous. Beyond non-productive to the point of actually being damaging to simply having civilized discourse.

The authors points are very valid in terms of how art reflects our veiw of reality and actually has impact on it. The point about the big and small screen not being able to deal with the reality of abortion is important. It's clear and obvious.

That shouldn't make people immediately frame this as the stereotype of radical feminism or political correctness run rampid that they have learned to hate and to reflexively marginalize. It should simply be taken for what it's worth.

Okay. Having said that, it doesn't validate everyone who hates men. It simply is what it is, which personaly, I think is a very insightful comment of our media.

Look when Alito is sighting Jack Baur in his opinions, you can't say our art doesn't come back and influence our actions and perceptions of reality. All this piece is doing is pointing out a case where that is happening in a pretty otherwise iccoculous form.

Yes this is comedy. Yes I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief. Okay, you can also get more understand about our society and ourselves if you look a little deeper, and you can do it without jumping to an extreme or casting those on the other side of a thought as a ludcirous extreme.

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No truce in sight in War Between Sexes
Posted by: gonzoyak on Jun 29, 2007 10:42 AM   
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I'm a fan of adult comedies that treat their audiences as adults. Knocked Up may be a fantasy, but at least it's more realistic than the Pretty Woman-type rom-coms that patronize us with stale humor and formulaic situations people are "supposed" to laugh at, rather than realistic (if darker & dirtier) stuff people actually laugh at. That's Apatow's genius, which was evident in 40 Year Old Virgin too. The critics have already said as much, but this is a smart film, and has a lot of heart. Sure, Rogen's character was an undesirable slacker, but when the chips were down, he acted like a man and stepped up to the plate. In that sense, the film's message is commendable – most humorous vehicles driven by the lumpen-slacker stereotype of modern men don't give them that much credit. I think Pollitt might be overzealous in screening this film for gender-political orthodoxy. So be it: I once spent hours on a blog trashing The Astronaut Farmer for mindless jingoism, so we all have our little axes to grind.
Pollitt's lopsided "lookism" is tolerable because I just can't take it seriously. And I can overlook (gladly) the call to arms on the abortion issue, because a) I don’t think there's any way to make abortion funny without resorting to shock humor, and b) if they decided not to have it, that would make it an entirely different film, wouldn’t it? Yes, a real woman in Heigl's situation would probably consider terminating an unwanted pregnancy (especially one conceived so stupidly) but it is a comedy, and a romantic one at that, which means it's not exactly documentary material. In short, lighten the f**k up, please.
What I found galling was Pollitt's umbrage at the bit where Pete is caught "cheating" with his fantasy baseball league (a sentiment echoed by my girlfriend and other women who saw the film – I don't think they took it as a joke, or at least didn't "get it"). Forget that he lied about it, because he was assuming – probably rightly – that he would never have been given leave from his household duties for something so frivolous. What gives with all the scorn, from women both onscreen and off? The argument that ensued was so intense as to make one think he had been cheating . . . does lying for the sake of something other than sex make it better or worse in the female mind, I wonder? Is it not enough that Pete has become a responsible husband and father and accepted the sacrifice involved, but he also has to give up on any notion of fun for fun's sake? The nerve of that man, wanting to have a hobby! And then to top it off his wife, Debbie accuses him of "selfishness" for sneaking off to have some innocent fun – when ironically the whole plot is kicked off by a clubbing excursion she initiates with her sister so she can flirt with men and boost her fading "hottie" self-image. Way responsible and not selfish at all, She-Ra. Who was watching the kids then? The selfish, immature, irresponsible, and deceitful henpecked husband that she totally takes for granted, no doubt. And of course, Debbie's lack of self-reflection or objectivity is echoed by Pollitt's similar disgust at this "childish" behavior – fantasy baseball! Why, next he'll want to buy a guitar or build a workbench – better nip that in bud, because someone needs to cover for Mommy while she goes out to and leverages her empowered hotness for free drinks at the club.
Yes, this film is about the immaturity of men, but in her humorless P.C. prudishness Pollitt misses the lampoon – and also that the flipside of the slacker man-child stereotype is the relentlessly demanding and controlling nature of women, which often drives men to fantasy baseball (and more nefarious vices) for escape. If anybody's relationships are to work we have to at least be willing to honor each others' values even if we don't completely share them, and make the necessary compromises to show that respect through cooperation. Isn't that really the point?

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It's a movie should be enough said obviously it won't be
Posted by: pre-emptive impeachment on Jun 29, 2007 10:53 AM   
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Drunken guy knocks up drunken girl. The writer picked a way things could happen thereafter. There are various characters, they have various traits, they interact with each other and and some conflict with each other. It is hardly meant to be a story to analyze society and base our life choices on. I really don't think there were ulterior motives or subtle undertones.

I'm all for women's rights and equality and other completely unrelated things but I really don't go into comedies to learn about them and analyze them I go for the extraordinarily overpriced movie tickets, but mostly for entertainment of both the movie and whoever I'm with.

On a side note:
Can I make the argument that this movie was anti-abstinence because people had sex and someone got knocked up? If they practiced abstinence then this wouldn't have happened. That would have made a great movie.

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never in Hollywood
Posted by: Tea on Jun 29, 2007 12:54 PM   
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The recent Mexican soap opera "La Fea Mas Bella" (The Most Beautiful Ugly Woman) WAS about "a clever, screwed up, ugly woman [who] gets the gorgeous hunk who sees her inner beauty." In fact she gets chased by two gorgeous hunks.

This show has been made several times around the world and is always popular. In the American version, Ugly Betty, Betty isn't ugly (just a bit frumpy) and she only dates her fellow geeks. It's still a good show, but the writers and producers have copped out of the original premise that worked all over the world. Old ugly geeky guys get beautiful women in Hollywood stories, but it's never reversed. Very lame.

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fantasy for all
Posted by: mark on Jun 29, 2007 2:30 PM   
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There is also a strong element of female fantasy in this film. How many single women with unplanned pregnancies end up with promotions and caring husbands? This writer seems upset about the promotion, which I find very hard to understand. Isn't this a victory for women? Pregnancy usually means the death of a woman's career.
Also, how often does a guy who impregnates a girl on a one night stand do the right thing and stick by her, attempting to make a relationship out of it? And when the guy does do the noble thing, how rare is it that he doesn't turn into a bitter asshole at the thought of her and the baby ruining his carefree lifestyle.
Of course I'm not saying that Alison is lucky to have found these results. In a fair society they should be the norm. But a true feminist would likely not see in this film a prime target for criticism. It is fantasy for both sexes - something to make us smile and feel all warm and fuzzy inside before we return to the harsh realities of life.

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What will be interesting is following the lawsuit Judd Apatow faces, filed by ...
Posted by: SayBlade on Jun 29, 2007 4:31 PM   
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... Rebecca Eckler who penned, Knocked Up in 2004 about her experience as an up-and-coming journalist/socialite who accidentally gets pregnant at her engagement party.

Surprisingly Katherine Heigl, at one time had darker hair making her look a little like Eckler. I wonder if Seth Rogan looks anything like Eckler's husband.

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A Pondering
Posted by: White middleclass male on Jun 29, 2007 11:29 PM   
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like The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Apatow's previous movie, in which Steve Carell, the nerdy obsessive-compulsive loner, is saved by the delightfully easy-going hottie Catherine Keener

Wasn’t Catherine Keener’s character a 40 year old mother of 3 and grandmother? That is the text book definition of damaged goods. Did Steve Carell find her at the “scratch and dent sale”?

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» RE: A Pondering Posted by: morticia
In Superstar the nerdy girl gets the cute guy
Posted by: athamandia on Jul 1, 2007 8:19 PM   
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and it's hilarious. But after all, she follows her heart and turns down BMOC Wil Ferrel.

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