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Movie Mix

'300' Flick Is Ready-Made for the Right-Wing Crowd

By Steve Burgess, The Tyee. Posted March 10, 2007.


If new acquaintance tells you that their favorite movie is 300, back away slowly -- they probably kills cats for fun.
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What's your favourite movie?

Someday soon, you may ask a new acquaintance that question, and just maybe -- because it takes all kinds -- your new friend will reply, "My favourite movie is 300."

If this happens, back away slowly. Your new friend probably kills cats for fun. Worse -- your new friend may be George W. Bush. Director Zack Snyder's new dramatization of the epic Spartan stand at Thermopylae will probably go down real well at the White House, and wherever disturbed young people massacre hundreds in violent video games. Others should exercise discretion.

This is a historical epic, but its real history is not so much ancient Greek as recent comic book. 300 is another film taken from the work of graphic novel auteur Frank Miller, following very much in the CGI tradition of last year's Miller-inspired Sin City. Nothing in 300 is natural -- not a ray of honest sunlight falls on a single frame of the movie. Like Sin City and the execrable Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, 300 was filmed entirely in front of blue screens and subsequently built around the actors digitally.

Pretty dumb

It's certainly better than Sky Captain, visually at least. 300 has an undeniable beauty, a burnished look intended to evoke the mythic. Think of the dream scenes in Gladiator and imagine a whole movie of that. Don't imagine much else, because you'll be disappointed.

Someday, somebody is going to make one of these comic book movies that isn't quite so depressingly comic book. Not this time. 300 is an adolescent wet dream to its very core, a homoerotic paean to half-naked Greeks and their bloody, thrusting swords. And to make all the Chippendales-style posing more palatable for the young straight male target audience, there's a little bit of rough doggie-style hetero sex too.

The plot -- don't blink now -- is this: 300 brave Spartans, led by the heroic Leonidas (Gerard Butler), guard a pass against the Persian hordes commanded by King Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro). There's a small bit of politics thrown in, and the aforementioned boinking (featuring Lena Headey as Queen Gorgo). But it's mostly just the glorious, sexual thrill of slow-motion violence and orgasmic geysers of spurting blood. Really. Such unabashed tributes to slaughter are usually delivered with a wink in slasher films, but 300 does not know how to wink. It is deadly serious in the way that so often provokes giggles.

Certain parallels

There's virtually no development of the Persian side, almost no real sense of who they are and why they are so scary -- except that there's a whole lot of them, and their leader Xerxes is seven feet tall, like Darth Vader and with pretty much the same voice. When it finally arrives, the big sacrificial climax doesn't even make a lot of sense. It's just heroic.

Regardless, 300 will likely be a masturbatory experience for the Ann Coulter crowd. Cruel, militaristic Sparta is the ideal; weak, artsy Athens is mocked, particularly in a scene where Athenian soldiers are revealed to be potters, sculptors, poets. Brave men who leave what they love to defend their country? Bah! Weaklings, according to this flick. As a tribute to a particular world view, 300 could play on a double bill with Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will.

And no doubt it will be screened at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. President Bush will certainly relish a film in which King Leonidas tries, and fails, to get authorization from Sparta's governing council for an attack against the forces of Persia, a.k.a. modern-day Iran. Leonidas goes ahead anyway. History calls him a hero. So much for congressional funding.

There's even evidence that the film consciously grasps at this clash-of-civilizations message. "Today we will rid the world of mysticism and tyranny," shouts a Greek soldier, leading a charge against the Persians moments after we have seen an image of dead Spartans in Christ-like poses.

Most of the bloodthirsty teens in the audience won't care about that stuff, of course. But Dick Cheney will cream himself. I guess Dick can use a little diversion. He's had a rough year.

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does anyone else think the author is kinda paranoid?
Posted by: jwc on Mar 10, 2007 2:05 AM   
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this guy sounds like one of those assholes who says you're a bad person just for liking a movie- oh wait, he just did that. i'm heading off to see the movie now, right after i "kill some cats"...

http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=5288

for what it's worth, there is a quote from the director in the above article where he states that he didn't intend the movie to have a political message.

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» Entertaining eh? Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: ntertaining eh? Posted by: Scientz
a bit of mis-directed anger perhaps?
Posted by: dai766 on Mar 10, 2007 2:06 AM   
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um, ok. i thought it was a cool movie just because of the style of direction and epic story, to be truthful i could care less of how historically accurate it was. and watching it certainly isn't going to make me vote for the next george bush in 08, just how dumb do you think we are? i myself am quite capable of seperating reality from fiction and don't think i'll be butchering kittens anytime soon after i watched it thank you.

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» EXACTLY! Posted by: Scientz
His slide into wingnuttery was inevitable
Posted by: plum on Mar 10, 2007 2:10 AM   
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If you want to pin the blame for 300's crappiness anywhere, pin it on Frank Miller.

I used to be a real fan. I loved The Dark Knight Returns because it was so edgy, and really breathed life into the Batman myth at a time when Batman spent at least a dozen panels per comic getting in touch with his inner child (or sobbing, I forget which). Jim Apparo (aarrgh!) were drawing Batman with only two facial expressions: shocked and shocked to the core. Compare Apparo's paint-by-numbers art with the range and gritty realism of Miller's pencils, and the choice is clear. And Miller's razor-sharp dialogue brought the noir into superhero comics.

But over the years he's slowly but surely revealed himself for the misanthrope he is. All his characters are Manichean and stiff, and Sin City the movie was the worse for it. I shudder to think of what 300 is like.

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» WRONG... Posted by: Scientz
I liked Sky Captain
Posted by: Swatopluk on Mar 10, 2007 3:20 AM   
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The author is possibly right about "300" (I am not going to watch it anyway) but I disagree about Sky Captain being execrable.
I found it a perfect hommage to the old serials and quite entertaining. I do not demand more from it (and didn't expect more).

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If you want to read a better…
Posted by: Arvy on Mar 10, 2007 4:22 AM   
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…account of this story try the book by Tom Holland called "Persian Fire". It tells the whole story from both sides and is gripping, enjoyable and educational.

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Useless Article
Posted by: pcushniesr on Mar 10, 2007 5:35 AM   
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Well, Steve, that was a useless article if ever I read one. I love movies, but have little to no use for reviews and yours is certainly no exception. So you didn't care for the movie? Do I give a shit? Of course not. I haven't seen it yet, but now I'll make it a point to and the only review that will matter to me will be my own.

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» RE: Useless Article Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Useless Article Posted by: babs
RE: Just Jewywood preparing the US for war in Iran
Posted by: Scientz on Mar 10, 2007 7:01 AM   
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Yes, as a man of Scottish descent, I can't tell you how much Braveheart made me want to decapitate the English.

Idiot.

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RE: Jewywood?
Posted by: Bbear41 on Mar 10, 2007 9:05 AM   
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Smells like anti-semitism. Yes I know one can be anti Zionsit without being antisemitic, but it seems the border is being crossed.

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RE: Just Jewywood preparing the US for war in Iran
Posted by: bulbman on Mar 10, 2007 12:09 PM   
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I think there are right wing mercenaries who are paid to post comments like cindyH's to make us Jewish folks believe that the left flank are all anti-semites. And yes, you can also be Jewish and an anti-Zionist. Go crawl back under your rock, cindy.

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RE: Just Jewywood preparing the US for war in Iran
Posted by: may261989 on Mar 11, 2007 9:55 PM   
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Its not necessarily the overt racism that bugs me . O.K well it is, but aside from that, what is your point? That Jewish people are allowing Hollywood films to be used as vehicles for Bush propaganda? That's how it read's to me anyway. You're way off track their dude.

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Uh oh
Posted by: paschn on Mar 10, 2007 5:45 AM   
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A movie glorifying mindless killing.....slaughter...etc. it'll make millions in the peace-loving west.

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Then again...
Posted by: ahmlco on Mar 10, 2007 5:56 AM   
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The Persians are marching on Sparta and 300 Spartans go off to defend their country against overwhelming odds, ultimately sacrificing their own lives in the process.

Yeah, I can see how it would be bad to like such a story...

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» Why I'm so afraid Posted by: eddie torres
I ain't surprised.....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Mar 10, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Once again liberals are forced to confront an ideal of the warrior defending his homeland and his values. Granted this movie may be made up in a comic book style but the underlying history is that 300 brave Spartans bought time for the Greek city states to come together and eventually defeat the Persians. They did this at the cost of their lives. The idea of self sacrifice for "G/D and Country" (in this case gods and city states) is anathema to what lefties believe or would be willing to do. I know you guys would be buying prayer rugs and immediately converting to whatever belief system would be imposed just so you could live another 10 minutes. Wussies and appeasers are what you are. Its part of your hard wiring. Your sense of history and the lessons that should be learned by it fall on barren soil. A movie with a theme of courage and self sacrifice makes as much sense to you as a belief in the one true G/D. You're weak kneed and weak willed and the majority of you just ain't gonna change till you get mugged (figuratively speakin'). Maybe not even then.

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» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: Scientz
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: Scientz
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: leafsong1
» Why I'm so afraid Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: I ain't surprised..... Posted by: bulbman
» RE: Address please Posted by: AlienSlave
» Neither am I... Posted by: tweedster
The author really misses the point
Posted by: koavf on Mar 10, 2007 6:10 AM   
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This is shameful, really. From the unverifiable Freudianism to misidentifying the place of origin of the Spartans' allies, this is a mess. Unless, of course, this is a grand exercise in missing the point. First off, the story of 300 has existed for about two and a half millenia; it is not a political allegory for today. The fact that today's anti-democratic theocracy called Iran is the successor state to the tyrannical, mystical empire of ancient Persia is an amusing historical accident, not a modern cautionary tale. Secondly, the film does not glorify violence per se, but in the service of law, order, freedom, and reason. For those of you who think that the war in Iraq (or a prospective war in Iran) are illegal, chaotic, autocratic, and illogical, 300 could be a proof-text. Lastly, the fact that you lament how the story of the Persians isn't told is simply untrue: the Persians are power-mad, and will resort to bribery, conquest, and slavery to glorify their god-king. Simple. There is no more story that needs be told and that story is amply displayed throughout the film. There are a variety of reasons to not like 300, many of which are valid, but these are the worst and simply most untrue of any you could choose. This is shoddy writing at best, and manipulative liberal whining at worst.

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» RE: The author really misses the point Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
OH MY F@#$ING GOD YOU IDIOTS!!!
Posted by: Scientz on Mar 10, 2007 6:59 AM   
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Disclaimer: I am *not* a right-wing troll. I am *not* a right-wing troll. I am *not* a right-wing troll.

I am so very sick and tired of projecting their own biases onto things that have absolutely nothing to do with their biases.

This movie is going to rock. I have been STOKED about ths movie since I saw the first commercials. My buddy and I are going to watch this today with our girlfriends. I assume his girlfriend is going for the washboard abs, whereas I know my girlfriend is going because she is Iranian and LOVED Sin City, so she wants to see Frank Miller's version of Thermopylae. My buddy and I, on the other hand, are going because we have been excited about this concept from the very beginning.

A large portion of my friends have already seen it, and loved it. From my pretentious artsy film student buddies who loved it for the cinematic achievement to my football buddies who loved it for the camraderie and violence; even my history student colleagues loved it, despite its glaring lack of historical accuracy. Even my Buddhist vegetarian buddy Jimmy saw it and LOVED it. We are all leftist Canadian university students.

My point? Grow up, people! Its just a movie.

When Zack Snyder was asked "Is George Bush Leonidas or Xerxes?" I groaned. How sad. Neither. OBVIOUSLY neither. He is not Xerxes, the Persian-god king who whipped the sea for its insolence after Salamis. And he is not Leonidas, who "fought for freedom against all odds." George is not in full combat armor leading his troops, he is a chickenhawk.

I would really like people to stop politicizing the apolitical. And please no more comments about how the Hitlerjugend would've loved this movie. Rather than saying ANYTHING relevant about 300, you're simply revealing your own twisted Weltanschauung.

That is all.

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» Indeed, indeed Posted by: cvstoner
» Why I'm so afraid Posted by: eddie torres
» LOL Posted by: Scientz
» Persona... non... Latin-us... Posted by: eddie torres
Paranoid? I don't think so!
Posted by: No.mad on Mar 10, 2007 7:11 AM   
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Just reading the review made me want to wound my cat.

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PREDICTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: waltermoss on Mar 10, 2007 7:20 AM   
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I predicted in advance that there would be negative reviews for this movie in the NY Times and Alternet...and by golly I was right!

I just watched 300 last night. I did think certain 'Hollywoodized' parts of the movie were really annoying. But, being half Greek, this movie stirred my blood...thoughts of glorious ancestors, etc. I think it was great; and I did catch and agree with some of the political messages in the film.

If I drew some 'bigger' message from 300, it was that America was in danger, because we were turning our backs on the historic virtues of our society. We are looking more and more like the Persian empire (with Bush playing a less flamboyant Xerxes) and less like the egalitarian, democratic Greeks. The Greeks (and particularly Spartans) were represented as people whose greatness stemmed from self-discipline, rationalism, good governance and civic virtue. The Persians represented barbaric sensualism, excess, mysticism, obedience to power, greed and individualism. In this way, it was a movie about western values vs corruption.

Today I have been walking a few centimeters taller remembering my forebears and their commitment to their ideals. I think it would be good for our society to recall these ideals...even if they were only presented in a bloody, Hollywood video game.

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» RE: PREDICTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Scientz
» Ownership Posted by: eddie torres
» Why I'm so afraid Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: PREDICTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: Scientz
» Um, the Greeks... Posted by: vangogh69
Here, go with the "you must be a peacenik" bit again
Posted by: freysdottir on Mar 10, 2007 7:33 AM   
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I realize this must be hard for many, but every single person on the Left is not a pacifist. I was raised Left, I have always been Left, and I'm also Asatru, follower of a Norse Reconstructionist religion. Basically, I follow a warrior-type religion., Yet I"m a Leftist. *waits for confusion and boos and catcalls*
300 is a movie. I happen to like action movies, movies like this. I have never killed another creature, and certainly no0t a cat. I love cats. Whether some jackass Rightwinger likes it also is no big deal. Last night, a large group of Heathens (Asatru) got together and went to see it. ALL of them are against the war in Iraq. ALL of them support the troops in Iraq, as to turn your back on an actual warrior who is fighting with as much honor as they can muster is the cowards way out. (Bush and his admin are NOT warriors. Wimps who torture are NOT warriors.) Yet this writer would once again open up the whole ":If you don't share my exact views, you are lesser then me and worthy of disdain" bit. When did WE become THEM?

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» Why I'm so afraid Posted by: eddie torres
What if Xerxes said all he wanted was Sparta's oil, instead of water? See a different allegory?
Posted by: ladyoracle on Mar 10, 2007 7:35 AM   
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I'm sorry, but that movie is absolutely not an allegory to the U.S. and Iran, with the U.S. being Sparta. All we have in common is a abstract ideal of "freedom."

Persia comes to conquer all of Greece. A corrupt Senator takes Persian gold and bribes the oracle to lie to the Spartan king. Because of this lie and the Senator's manipulation of the senate, if the king goes to war, he will not have the country's support. That is why his army is so small.

In contrast, Iran is not ravaging up South America with plans to burn and pillage the U.S. There's no basis in that movie to justify a pre-emptive move. The Queen's speech in the senate clarifies this point. Her speech and her quick killing of the corrupt senator is my favorite part of the film.

As to the mocking of the Athenians, they provoke the king's comment by mocking him first for having so small an army. He replies noting that although he didn't bring a huge army, his men are better fighters than the Athenians who are artists and tradesmen. The narrator gives them thier due, noting that they fight haphazardly (duh, because they aren't trained), but with thier hearts.

What's more is that the writer missed the interesting representation of gender in the film. I liked the queen for her power and awareness of other women who are not in her position to speak.

And as for Xerxes, he is shown to be a weirdo who thinks he is a god. The Spartans can't stand for that. I don't blame them. The refusal to submit, to die first, is something I can't idenitfy with, but it's supported by the logic of the film. And as for portrayal, a film's "bad buy" rarely gets his share of sympathy, but it's important to note tht whatever his reasons were, they seem to be because he thought he was a god and therefore was taking what was rightfully his--everything in the world. Who does that sound like? Think oil. What if Xerxes said all he wanted was Sparta's oil? Hmmm?

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Fact check, please! Sin City was 2 years ago, not last year
Posted by: Torgo on Mar 10, 2007 7:40 AM   
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300 is another film taken from the work of graphic novel auteur Frank Miller, following very much in the CGI tradition of last year's Miller-inspired Sin City.

Dammit Burgess, get your elementary facts straight!

Even an idiot like me can consult the IMDB anf find that Sin City was released April 1, 2005. That's 23 months ago, and is not even close to "last year".

I haven't even started critiquing the tone and whiny nonsense of the review, but the author's factual sloppiness shows his character.

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Natural?
Posted by: Torgo on Mar 10, 2007 8:09 AM   
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300 is another film taken from the work of graphic novel auteur Frank Miller, following very much in the CGI tradition of last year's Miller-inspired Sin City. Nothing in 300 is natural

Natural? Is the computer with which I communicate "natural"?

Is the life-saving cardiac device inside my chest "natural"?

I don't apologize for bending Nature to my Will to serve my values. The standard of value is human survival and happiness, primarily my own as the most important human to me.

News flash, "Naturalness" is NOT the standard of value.

Sounds like Burgess and others who fetishize the Natural have a guilty conscience about existing as a human being. There's always the woods for them if they love The Natural so damn much.

BTW, I don't kill cats for fun. On the contrary, I care for my 2 kitties Beuky and Inez here at my pad, and I get to play with cats all day as I make a decent living preserving the human-cat bond now that I'm a DVM.

My conscience is clear, so if you don't like my comment, before you make any Burgess-esque baseless accusations (of right-wingery or cat-killing) go blank yourself first.

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Dear Alternet,
Posted by: jwc on Mar 10, 2007 8:41 AM   
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please stop putting this type of crap up and trying to sell it as journalism. the only people who take this b.s. seriously are the coulters and the limbaughs of the left. give it a rest already

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» EXACTLY. Posted by: Scientz
» Thank you Posted by: freedomhawk
ktm
Posted by: ktm on Mar 10, 2007 8:45 AM   
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hmmmm... way to shame your readers...

listen.. to decry people who like the movie as 'a person who might kill kittens for fun' or 'possibly george bush' is obvious and sickening shaming. this sounds like more of a rant than a movie review... what is this article about? what is it even trying to do? making you feel guilty for liking a movie? telling people they are not smart enough to recognize a poliical parrallel? raving about the stupidity of the american masses?

seriously... this article sounds reminiscent of a macarthy era attack. basically the message is. 'if you like this movie then you can't be liberal' .... it is like saying that people who aren't vegetarians can't be part of peta. are you kidding me?

go project on someone else

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» RE: ktm Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: ktm Posted by: Scientz
» RE: ktm Posted by: leafsong1
hahahaha
Posted by: ann83 on Mar 10, 2007 9:31 AM   
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To be quite honest, I saw the movie last night. It was pretty lame. But what's funny, is that I went to see it with two male friends of mine who wanted to see it solely for the rippling abs of the men.

You really can't take entertainment so seriously.

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jimmymack
Posted by: jimmymack on Mar 10, 2007 9:31 AM   
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Mr. Quayle, it's a movie.

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It's a movie...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 10, 2007 9:40 AM   
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Frank Miller style. I have read several of his graphic novels and comics and though I never read an interview with him I would be surprised to learn that he was NOT politically right wing. The movie is what you'd expect if you read any of his stuff. The story is historically inaccurate and describes a society that puts it's little children through violent, brutal warrior training and regards its women {even the queen} as "unworthy" to speak before men as "freedom loving"... There's that word again. The attitudes depicted would fit well into a film about Nazis. The gore of the battle scenes is presented in a most hypnotic manner, a ballet of fast and slow motion where limbs are lopped off like so much brush being cleared. It's a movie for the times, my friends... this is what some people out there hope we are. Wish we were...
As always, it's you that decides...

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» RE: It's a movie... Posted by: Scientz
Haven't seen the movie yet, but...
Posted by: RevRick on Mar 10, 2007 10:08 AM   
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I read the graphic novel. Far from being depicted as "the ideal" the Spartans were depicted as pompous and arrogant.

In fact in the graphic novel it is these qualities that not only prod the Persians to attack Greece, but drive the hunchback to betray the Spartans to the Persians leading to their complete slaughter.

I would take your analogy a step further and say that like the Spartans the US thinks that we can hold the pass when outnumbered because of our technological superiority. Also like the Spartans we are only forced to hold the pass because of our own hubris. Like the Spartans and many others through history it will also be our downfall.

It is obvious that the author doesn't appreciate this genre; however as an avid fan a Miller's work I know that this author is only familiar with his work through film.

I can only assume that this new movie must depart wildly from the book or that the author of this critique is only familiar with it through previews.

I will wait untill I see the movie before making my own opinion.

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Sparta Was Not as Brutal as Depicted
Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 10, 2007 10:26 AM   
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The Sparta depicted by Polybius (c.203-122 BCE) was the first republic. It is amazing how the movie industry reduces all history to the simplicity of blood and violence. Though blood and violence played a role in bringing about new and more sophisticated ways of organizing people, there was a lot of thinking that went into proposed new governments. Here is an excerpt from Polyibius:

"Now, it is undoubtedly the case that most of those who profess to give us authoritative instruction on this subject distinguish three constitutions, which they designate kingship, aristocracy, democracy. But in my opinion the question might fairly be put to them, whether they name these as being the only ones, or as the best. In either case I think they are wrong. For it is plain that we must regard as the best constitution that which partakes of all these three elements. And this is no mere assertion, but has been proved by the example of Lycurgus, who was the first to construct a constitution—that of Sparta—on this principle. Nor can we admit that these are the only forms: for we have had before now examples of absolute and tyrannical forms of government, which, while differing as widely as possible from kingship, yet appear to have some points of resemblance to it; on which account all absolute rulers falsely assume and use, as far as they can, the title of king. Again there have been many instances of oligarchical governments having in appearance some analogy to aristocracies, which are, if I may say so, as different from them as it is possible to be. The same also holds good about democracy."

Polybious was discussing the virtue of the republic upon which Rome was founded and it similarities to Sparta. Polybius marveled at how Lycurgus imagined, without the need of trial and error, to suppose that the repubic was the best of all forms of government because it employed the best of all forms of government to provide checks and balances against tyrany. I wish movies would stress the virtues of these early repubics rather than the unfortunate bloodshed that sometimes occurred when irrational resistance was met.

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Historical Spartans versus comic book Spartans
Posted by: dingo on Mar 10, 2007 12:12 PM   
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I haven’t seen the movie and probably won’t but not because I have anything against the Spartans.

The Spartan system of governance was complex and not a simple dictatorship. It made use of two hereditary kings who could veto each other, as well as elected ephors who served in a capacity somewhat like the kings. Spartans also elected a Senate of elders over 60 who were involved in governance.

Pluses for the Spartans: aside from martial talents, they treated women with remarkable equality—especially for ancient Greece. Women had many equal rights to men, including education, physical training, and rights to divorce and ownership of property. (In contrast, rights for women in Athens were abysmal.)

Spartan negatives: they had an extensive and brutal system of slavery, which they inflicted on a huge number of helots; under their martial monomania, their cultural life shriveled to almost nothing. They were secretive, xenophobic, and left almost nothing of interest in art, philosophy, literature or science—especially when contrasted with their great rival city-state Athens.

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Curious
Posted by: vangogh69 on Mar 10, 2007 12:28 PM   
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Why is a movie about glorifying warriors who coming out now? Come to think of it, why did this trend even begin, starting with that tripe Gladiator and now with 300? Can anyone here say PROPAGANDA!?!

I thought Snyder's last flick (which was I believe that Dawn of the Dead remake) decent, if inferior to the original yet superior to Romero's latest zombie flick (Land of the Dead). I'll hold off on judging the f