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Movie Mix

Jesus at the Movies

By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted October 13, 2006.


Some prominent proselytizers hope to save America -- and the world -- by doing some "sneaky preaching" through a new movie they're calling "one of the greatest outreach tools of the church in this century."
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Tommy Tenney, a televangelist and author, likes to let his audiences in on a little secret about a new movie based on his novel, Hadassah, a fictionalized account of the Old Testament Book of Esther. Tenney equates the movie, "One Night With the King," with Jesus' parables. It advances an agenda that reveals a hidden truth, even if the audience is unaware of it. As Tenney writes on his website, "'One Night With the King' preaches the Gospel in a subtle and nonconfrontational way. I call it 'sneaky' preaching."

"One Night With the King," which opens today, is a production of Gener8Xion Entertainment, (8X) a media company run by Matt and Laurie Crouch, son and daughter-in-law of Paul and Jan Crouch, the patriarch and matriarch of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), the world's largest purveyor of Christian programming. The movie is the first major production to be distributed by Twentieth Century Fox's latest nod to the growing evangelical toehold in Hollywood, its religious distribution label, FoxFaith.

TBN, a 30-year-old network that's expanded along with media technology -- growing from individual local broadcast stations to cable to satellite and the internet -- now has five channels through which it peddles its bizarre mix of prosperity preaching and Biblical prophecy, around the world, every hour of every day. Its programs, in which televangelist hosts plead for money, are often followed by a plea for a "love gift" for Paul and Jan, meaning a donation in exchange for a tchotchke, recently a small bottle of perfumed "anointing oil." TBN, a nonprofit, pays the Crouches nearly $1 million a year in compensation, and its many popular televangelists, such as Rod Parsley, a rising star in the Christian Right, and Armageddon lobbyist John Hagee, also live lavish lifestyles off the donations of their congregations and viewers.

Its televangelists have been subjects of investigations and exposés into scandals over fund-raising and controversial faith-healing practices. And two years ago, Paul Crouch was the subject of a Los Angeles Times investigative series charging that he paid hush money to a former male lover. But none of this has seemed to dampen viewer enthusiasm for TBN, which, through a conglomerate of nonprofit entities, pulls in nearly $300 million in revenue each year. And it certainly hasn't dampened the enthusiasm of the Christian Right, which is jumping right in with TBN in promoting "One Night With the King."

Although the movie, a lavish production filmed on location in India and starring such well-known Hollywood entities as Omar Sharif and Peter O'Toole, may seem on the surface a tale of political intrigue and romance, on TBN and in front of Christian audiences, the filmmakers relentlessly make clear their prophetic intentions. "Your destiny awaits!" proclaims a TBN ticker running across the screen during daily programming. As part of a special "pastors' screening tour" in September, TBN offered pastors' testimonials to the power of the film. "We have been called for a time such as this," said one. The film is "about leading others to the Kingdom," another intoned. The message for the modern audience? One pastor said, "Esther means ... it's time for Christians to stand up and save our nation."

The movie's marketers have somehow reengineered Esther's story to turn an Old Testament legend into a modern proselytizing tool for Christians. In Jewish tradition, Esther is a heroine, the brave queen who risked her favor with the King of Persia to save Jews from destruction at the hands of the evil Haman. Her story is celebrated on Purim by eating triangular pastries, wearing costumes, and making a lot of noise. But for evangelicals, Esther's story has long resonated as evidence that God chooses saviors in every generation. When Esther -- who had hidden her Judaism from her husband, the King of Persia -- balked at approaching the king for his intervention to stop his assistant, Haman, from slaughtering the Jews, her cousin Mordecai asked her: "Who knows but that you have come to royal position for such a time as this?" It is those last six words -- "for such a time as this" -- that evangelicals have seized upon in maintaining that God chose Esther, and God can choose you, too. And the movie's promoters are driving home the point that the movie isn't really about Esther saving the Jews, it's about the viewer being saved.


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confirming
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 13, 2006 1:46 AM   
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Thanks for confirming that the top televangelists are just plain crooks.

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» RE: confirming Posted by: willymack
Faith-based con artists
Posted by: Moonray on Oct 13, 2006 3:06 AM   
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It's outrageous that this kind of mass exploitation is allowed in the U.S. We need tougher laws that prohibit:

-- Using cable TV or other forms of mass media to peddle products or appeal for direct contributions based on religion or superstition.

-- indocrinating children under age 18 into religion or other superstitious belief systems by churches, businesses or other organizations.

-- government tax breaks that in effect force the public to subsidize churches and other organizations based on religion and other forms of superstition.

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» No sweat Posted by: Moonray
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» RE: Faith-based con artists Posted by: liberty-life
If you film it, they won't necessarily come
Posted by: nico on Oct 13, 2006 3:48 AM   
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The people who will see this film are mostly those who are already crazed fanatics. Still, we don't need a film that might make them crazier fanatics.

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» Jesus in FOREST GUMP Posted by: launcher
Too Many Christians, Too Few Lions
Posted by: Animal on Oct 13, 2006 4:04 AM   
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Once again I get the feeling that the Romans fucked up MASSIVELY when they stopped feeding Christians to the lions. I guess maybe it must've been those lead cups they were drinking from.

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» Mental status of Jesus of Nazareth Posted by: doctorsquared
» LOVAGE Posted by: doctorsquared
mule17
Posted by: mule17 on Oct 13, 2006 4:45 AM   
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If Jesus save, He better save himself- Ian Anderson ,Jethro Tull

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» RE: mule17 & Guy Posted by: dangerouslysane
» RE: mule17 Posted by: liberty-life
agressive marketing
Posted by: aislinnluv on Oct 13, 2006 5:02 AM   
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i returned home yesterday to find a message on my answering machine. the message? largely unintelligible (too quiet to hear most of it), it was an invitation for ladies to spend a "day of leisure" at a screening of "a night with the king". i hadn't heard of the film, but the underlying message became clear after a moment when the woman speaking started talking about jesus. needless to say, i erased that message straightaway. it's annoying to be the target of such a message but more frightening is the level of religious indoctrination that we are seeing in more and more films. yikes.

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» RE: agressive marketing Posted by: deaudonnee
Chris in Raleigh
Posted by: Chris in Raleigh on Oct 13, 2006 5:34 AM   
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Come on. The Alternet community surely must be more open-minded than this article and the comments to it suggest. Laws against movies with certain messages? I thought that went out with McCarthy. I don't like the Crouches/Parsley/Falwell any more than the rest of you, but you're reflecting the same sort of hate and narrow-mindedness that makes them so objectionable. So there's a movie with a Christian message. Big deal. If you don't like it, don't go see it.

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» Pay attention Posted by: Moonray
» Modest Proposal, anyone? Posted by: PoetWarrior
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» RE: Chris in Raleigh Posted by: aida1200
Charlatans to Hell
Posted by: dougo on Oct 13, 2006 5:59 AM   
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I get up this morning and start surfing the TV channels and and I am amazed at the vast number of televangelists on and the sheer thievery they conduct on a daily basis. First I catch TBN, the last few minutes of Benny Hinn begging and pleading for donations of $1000.00 or more so he can pay for his new Lear Jet aquired from another ministry. For each $1000 or more he will reserve a special place on this jet where your name will be inscribed to proclaim YOUR faith in this minintry. This is a tool he says so he can spread his ministry across the world. He goes on with some testimony from people in different locales saying how great he is. Get out those check books and Visa and Mastercards believers. Next up is Spike TV and a guy named Popoff, Paul I believe. He is one of these guys that has all these people with various maladies that need healed. Several women stand, one with ruptured discs in her back: "Doctor Jesus will heal you" he says. He places his hand on her head then her chest and shoves her, she falls to the ground, rises and starts dancing. Praise jesus. Popoff throws her walker away. Next another woman with a cane, I didn't catch her problem, but she too starts dancing. He throws her cane like a spear up to the pulpit. He also has this miracle spring water that brings you money. Several women tell of money they were to get by a certain date and lo and behold, $10,000 for one, $700,000 for another. "This water will lead you to the wealth" he proclaims. "Milk and honey flowing" he says. Next I think maybe some music videos, BET, but no instead we have one Jamal Bryant pacing back and forth across the stage sweating profusely and preaching the gospel. I see people standing and crying, looking up to the ceiling waving their hands as he talks his way into their pocketbooks and wallets. He wipes the sweat with what looks to be the finest silk hankie. He needs this money I suspect to make payments on the diamond encrusted watch on his wrist and the exttra large gold and diamond cross around his neck and the many large diamond and gold rings on his fingers. All for the glory of god I am sure. This fellow could be a hip hopper or one of these gangsta rappers. The only thing missing is the sideways turned hat. He definitely got da bling goin on. All this whoring for money in the name of the Lord is a real turn off to me. These people are livin large on the faith of their parishoners and I hope the good lord sends them to the fires of hell for their misleading the people with promises of riches if they only make their preacher rich. More on sunday when the really big names are on, Falwell, Swaggert,Parsley,et al. God help us all. Reminds me of Jim and Tammy Faye with the air conditioned four story dog house. Sickening!

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» RE: Charlatans to Hell Posted by: Ocean tides
» $$$ Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: $$$ Posted by: dangerouslysane
what Jesus REALLY said
Posted by: wawa on Oct 13, 2006 6:17 AM   
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I have yet to meet a Christian who has realized the significance of the fact that
Matthew 12:31-32
Mark 3:28-29
Luke 12:10

are simpatico with "heretical" Thomas saying 44:

'Jesus said: "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit [God within] will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."

What JC really said is he doesn't care what you say or think of him, he was all about WAKING people UP to the fact that God is ALREADY within everyone for everyone is an embodiment of The Divine.

JC was never a Christian-the term was not even coined until the days of Paul.

JC was a social justice, radical revolutionary, Palestinian devout Jewish Road Warrior who gave away FREE healings, he was compassionate to all outcasts and sarcastic towards Temple Authorities who sought power, control and money.

The mystic, Katherine of Sienna wrote of the Diamond [Divine]within all of us- because of all the crap that happens to us in our lives, the diamond looses its brillance to shine, but it is still within.

The God Head is One Pure Being;

as much male as female

as much mommy as daddy.

And we are all children of Her Universe;

And **He is the oldest personality because He is the origin of everything;

and everything is born of Him.

He is the supreme controller of the universe,

the maintainer and instructor of humanity.

He is smaller than the smallest.[**Bhagavad-Gita]


He indwells the heart of every atom and

She is beyond the Universe.

*'Wisdom has built her house and She calls to all; "Come, eat my food and drink my wine and you will live abundant life and walk in the ways of understanding." [*Proverbs 9: 4-6]

-eileen fleming, mystic, poet, agitator church and state
reporter and editor wawa blog

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Do we care? Are we supposed to be caring about this???
Posted by: LoveYourEnemies on Oct 13, 2006 6:36 AM   
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So the fundies want to put out a movie. So what? Let 'em. We still have the right to watch what we want and not watch what we don't want. They are in a serious state of denial if they even think that people want to hear their "gospel" of "hate liberals, gays, Democrats, and non-whites and the whites who like the non-whites".

This movie will not last three weeks in a theater. Unlike them when a movie comes out that they don't like, we can just ignore their attempt at "entertainment".

Just ignore them. I do.

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Another, more important issue
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 13, 2006 7:52 AM   
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These Christian con artists are getting huge tax breaks. We're subsidizing them. Did they make this movie tax free?

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Old Testament?
Posted by: Thinker on Oct 13, 2006 8:07 AM   
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I'm puzzled. Jesus came to complete the Old Testament. In his life he moved way beyond the "eye for an eye" mentality.
Why must the evangelicals constantly refer back to the Old Testament which was written for a nomadic culture just beginning to shift to an agricultural society? Why not focus on Christ's message: "love one another". Not change, force, or fear one another.

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» "About nomads" not FOR Nomads Posted by: AdamSelene40
How does the religious idiom of royalty survive in a democracy?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 13, 2006 8:19 AM   
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I guess "One Night With the Prez" loses some of the luster.

The notion of King this and King that curses religion with antiquated ideas and practices. The history, traceable back to early Mesopotamia, of rulers borrowing claims to authority based on being stand-ins for supernatural authority proved itself a winner over the next several millenia.

But divine right of kings nowadays has a legitimacy comparable to "the world's oldest profession." Funny how those who borrow the idiom of kingship for religion also practice the business ethics of scum. I guess because a king does whatever he wants?

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Many new ones out there,
Posted by: symcokid on Oct 13, 2006 8:24 AM   
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and just about anyone can have one so there shouldn't be any excuse for lost souls. A few examples; The Church of the Jumpin' Jeosaphats - Church of the Serpentine Stone - Yours, Mine and Ours Church, and the list goes on and on. A little 'old time Religion' for everyone and they're popping up all over - tax free! Soon they will start franchising them, their main concern is, "what's in your wallet"?

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Critical thinking, not censorship
Posted by: lorijh on Oct 13, 2006 9:20 AM   
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All movies -- and art, for that matter -- reflect someone's worldview. This is nothing new. Somehow when it's the Christian worldview, this is tremendously threatening to a lot of normally very broad-minded people. Those who would usually support free speech and artistic freedom stridently apply a radically different standard to artistic expression reflecting a Christian mindset.

I haven't seen the movie, but I am familiar with the story of Esther. One could certainly take away a more securalized, less threatening message from this story: If you find yourself in a unique position of influence on behalf of something or someone you believe in, sieze the opportunity and make the most of it.

Don't we want to be a society that encourages and engages in critical thinking? And after all, as many others have commented someone has said, you don't have to see the movie if you don't want to.

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let's keep the moral high ground
Posted by: owleyes on Oct 13, 2006 10:01 AM   
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There's nothing wrong with anti-Christian sentiment, but this article rings censorious. The Bush government duped enough Christians at the right time to get away with some very bad deeds. That is why we're mad at them, if I'm not mistaken. It's not because they believe their crackpot religion. They can believe whatever they want, right? One thing Christians do is proselytize. It's a big part of their crackpot religion. The only way to stop them is to criminalize proselytizing. Not only would that never happen in America (God bless her), but it shouldn't happen, because it would be a violation of everyone's 1st Amendment rights. You want to persecute Christians because they want to persecute you, but that's not the way to handle anything. Leave them alone until they materially threaten you. Then exercise your right to defend yourself.

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» RE: let's keep the moral high ground Posted by: diddlysquott
Nothing Wrong at All
Posted by: glorybe on Oct 13, 2006 10:42 AM   
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Although I dislike the herd of TV evangelists that you have mentioned I see nothing at all wrong with the idea of the movie. Promotion of beliefs is fair play from all directions whether it is subtle or announced. It's simply free speech.
I also have no issue with the idea that God may single out people for special reasons at times. Usually it is in the mystery of suffering. We have no notion of just why nature seems to conspire to cause a multitude of horrors for some people or even most people in the end. Christians try to ease or eliminate suffering but realizing that some people really are singled out at birth for a really rough ride in life.

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Come on, AlterNet! You can do better than this!
Posted by: Voicedude on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM   
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Come on, AlterNet!

Every now and then you (and other progressives) step over the line with some wacky 'they're all out to get us' conspiracy from the Christians. Aside from that being the very prejudicial labeling that we are supposedly against, you've got this one all wrong!

Has anyone there SEEN this movie? I'll wager 'no'. But here you are using the same fear-inducing tactics that some Christian groups have used against movies like Scorcese's "The Last Temptation Of Christ" and others. Judging (from a pre-determined agenda) without having SEEN IT and then issuing all call to arms! And you're both WRONG in this tactic.

SHAME!

As details of David Kuo's new book on the duping of Christians by this administration come to light, more and more of my Christian brothers and sisters are waking up as surely as the rest of the country was forced to do. Taking to heart what the Christian extremists say is like judging all Muslims based on Al Queda.

Besides, this particular movie, as with another Christian movie now in theatres, "Facing The Giants") has NO political agenda (like, say, the new "Man Of The Year" - hey, just because they're correct doesn't mean they doesn't have an agenda!). It IS a faith-based movie that is primarily for those who already believe. And by the way, 'One Night With The King" the story of Esther - from the OLD Testament!

I will wait on my opinion until I have actually SEEN the movie! This one looks like it has the same family values and 'politcal bite' of an episode of "Little House On The Prairie". I've seen several Christian-financed movies that I thought were awful - both from a cinematic view and from a theological one. But this new crop is attempting to even all that out. They are well produced, and theologically centered. No, they don't water down the Christian message, but then they shouldn't have to!

Listen folks: Progressives just might be able to win back a great number of Christians to 'the cause' if you stop making blanket accusations, name-calling labels, and attacking just about all Christian faith in general. In this country, Christians are supposed to have just as much right to their faith as anyone else does with theirs. And anyone of any faith deserves better than to constantly be attacked. Anyone of any real faith does not like it to be challenged by outsiders. If you don't have any strong religious faith, well ok, but don't begrudge those who do. America was founded on religious freedom. And don't say, 'well, they....' because that's merely trying to justify every kind of reactionary behavior that I thought we progressives were against. The kind this administration has exploited. And they duped a lot of Christians too, so try to go easy on those who believed in the wrong leaders for what they thought were the right reasons.

Peace to all and good will towards men.

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» Bravo, VoiceDude! Posted by: Zarquan
Why we resent religious groups
Posted by: Moonray on Oct 13, 2006 11:29 AM   
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Want us free-thinkers to stop "picking on" poor little Christians and other religious types? Fine, just:
-- Get your Christian fingers out of my pocket. Give up your generous tax breaks, zoning exemptions and many other government freebies.
-- Repeal the many stupid, harmful laws and policies -- such as anti-abortion laws, anti-sex education policies, anti-evolution policies, anti-gay marriage laws, Sunday "blue laws" and many others that oppress people across our land.
-- Tell your Bible-thumping, toupee-wearing, Cadillac-driving preachers and other witchdoctors to give back the hundreds of millions of tax dollars they are getting from Bush's "faith-based initiatives" -- a shameless payoff to the Christian right.

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Relax, this may backfire on them
Posted by: SufiLizard on Oct 13, 2006 11:35 AM   
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As a liberal Christian, I know first-hand there are plenty of Christians who are very uncomfortable with the faulty theology of the radical right.

There are even more Christians who still believe some of this B.S. in their heads, but something deep down inside them gives them an uncertain feeling they don't quite understand.

Maybe the story of Esther can help them understand. Maybe they'll get the message to stand up to the Religious Right and stand strong for Jesus' message of peace and tolerance.

These anti-Christ talking heads on television may think people will get a message of hate out of this movie, but they also thought we'd be welcomed with flowers as liberators of Iraq.

They don't seem to really understand people very well. The leaders of American Christianity seem really kind of shallow, but art works at a much deeper level. Maybe this film will have some very good, and very unintended consequences.

Maybe it will inspire christians to wake up and to stand up to the bullies and tyrants on the religious right instead of

Or maybe I'm too much of an optimist.

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Negative reviews
Posted by: brunowe on Oct 13, 2006 12:05 PM   
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The website Rotten Tomatoes mentions that the reviews have been mostly negative--although there have only been a small number of reviews posted so far.

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Don't Censor--Make Them Defend Their Source
Posted by: ewdean on Oct 13, 2006 12:44 PM   
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I remembered once hearing someone say that the Book of Esther was an oddity--the only book in the Bible that does not mention God. So I re-read it just now to confirm (it only took ten minutes). Sure enough, there is no mention of God. Esther and Mordecai, even in times of trouble, are never mentioned to have prayed to God or to have made a sacrifice to Him.

Technically, it may not have been a sin for Esther to omit mention of Jewish relations, but she was pretty bloodthirsty. She could have requested that Haman be imprisoned instead of killed. And it certainly wasn't very "Christian" of her to have the corpses of his ten sons publicly hung. And Mordecai was commander (v. 8:9) of the Jews when they slaughtered at least 80,410 of their enemies. Since those murders had the king's blessing (even to the point of women and children {v. 8:11}) and since their is no mention of any Jewish casualties, I think we can safely call that genocide. If the movie glosses over these warcrimes in order to earn a PG rating, it risks committing heresy by omission. Whoa! I just checked imdb.com and found out that Samuel and Hannah are in the movie--they not in the book of Esther. Some writer may be going to hell for this heresy.

The book is named for Esther, and she is the heroine. But even at the end she takes orders from her husband the idolatrous King and from her adoptive father Mordecai. It's a man's world after all (see verse 1:22). And the last chapter contains nothing about Esther; it is all about how powerful Mordecai became. The moral of Esther is that women should be obedient. That's probably the only reason the Church "Fathers" saw fit to include it when they assembled the Bible: "We must control those women lest they get all uppity and such."

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IF Jesus is on the same mythical level with, say
Posted by: SamFox on Oct 13, 2006 1:23 PM   
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Superman, the Hobbit or Paul Bunyan who are fictional charaters, why all the fuss? Why bother to worry about if His followers are doing what He commanded, Go into the world & share His message? If it is not really of God (who of course does not exist :-), except in our minds) the proslytizing should not amount to much.

Where is the rant against Islam? How about some equal opprtuinty treatment of the ways THEY make converts?

This all seems a bit one sided...how about something fair and balanced? Christiantity is not the only religion that could stand some srcutiny...or is there a silent, lurking fear that maybe He IS who He claimed, that He is not dead or a myth after all...that could explain why Revelation 12 and 13:6 are being fullfilled. What a coincedance!

SamFox

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» Equal opportunity treatment ? Posted by: zipper696
Get a Life
Posted by: Jbuuty on Oct 13, 2006 8:46 PM   
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Oh My Christians might use a film to try to convert people!

Maybe we should ban all films with possible messages. Get a life people. This is like those who find evil spirits behind every stone and tree.

Grow up a little and learn to live with a little diversity.

And yes I know that many on the Left think that these conservative Christians are out to establish theocracies, take away rights and so on and so forth. A few crazies maybe, but for the most part this fear is fed by paranoia and not reality.

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little children, COME 2 me
Posted by: wawa on Oct 14, 2006 6:23 AM   
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“Forget original sin; remember original blessing. There are two Christianities in our midst. One worships a punitive father and seeks obedience at all costs. It is patriarchal, demonizes woman, the earth, science, gays, lesbians, and deep thought. It builds on fear and it supports empire-builders. Its theology includes a punitive father in the sky and teaches original sin.

"The other Christianity recognizes the original blessing that all beings derive from. We recognize awe, not sin, not guilt, as the starting point of true religion. We recognize a divinity who is source of all things and is as much mother as father, as much female as male. We honor creation and diversity. When God created everything, He pronounced it all good. We are here to make love to life. Yes, we are here to make love to life.

"Delight in creation and take your dreams into our politics and institutions. We live in the midst of a suicidal economy, motivated by love of money. We have reached a dead end. What we need to turn it around are hearts in love with life. How do we do it? We first must move from domination to partnership, and we begin by educating our young in awe and wonder, not how to take tests.

"Awe leads to reverence, which leads to gratitude, which will reinvent our species. This is the task of our generation: to regain awe. The three Rs need to be balanced by the ten Cs: contemplation, creativity, chaos, compassion, courage, critical consciousness, community, celebration, ceremony, and character.

“In community, people remain united, despite everything that divides them. In capitalist society, people are isolated, separated, despite everything that should hold them together. We are in the midst of an epic struggle between community and capitalistic society. We need a new narrative. It is the economy of materialism; it is the virus of affluenza that has weakened family life.”

-Ex-Roman priest Matthew Fox @ TIKKUN's First Conference for SPIRITUAL PROGRESSIVES
excerpted from Chapter 12 "KEEP HOPE ALIVE"

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Dear Juubuty and ALL seekers of Truth
Posted by: wawa on Oct 14, 2006 6:47 AM   
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It is NOT a "few crazies" that believe like Hagee-

The fastest growing cult in the USA is the cult of "Christian" Zionism.

Hagee is one of the leaders- and he is also a false teacher.

"Christian" Zionism is a dangerous and POLITICALLY connected fundamentalism that thrives on fear of 'the other'

They worship a false god of empire building, and ignore what JC really said.

"Christian" Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic and is a 200 yr. old theology that literally believes disparate and UNRELATED scriptures predict future events.

They ignore the ETHICS, the TEACHINGS and the MORALITY of JC:

By the way, there are NO words from JC in any scripture re:
homosexualality, but MANY words regarding:
caring for the poor, the widow, the orphan, the refugee and prisoners.

JC confronted the hypocricy in the Temple and the injustices of the empire.
And THAT is what got him crucified!
Multitudes of social justice radical revolutionary Palestinain Jewish and pagan Road Warriors were crucified all the time 2,000 yrs. agi, for upsetting the status quo of the occupying force: the Empire of Rome.




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"Mystic in the Marketplace"
"The Cult of the Antichrist"
"The Spirit of the Antichrist"
"A Confrontational Conversation"
"Tom Paine, Dan Brown and Mohammad Ali"
"Church, State and the Philosophy of Christ"
"Spiritual Progressives Unite to confront the Religious Right, the Anti-Religious Left, and the Empire"
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Here's a Flash!!!
Posted by: bookwoman on Oct 14, 2006 10:29 AM   
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The discovery of films as a great propaganda tool is not new. Joseph Goebbels, whom you may remember was Propaganda Minister for another organization a half century or so ago, said the same thing.

Isn't it strange how many comparisons are made between these Right Wing fanatics and the Nazis.

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punishment and jail and camps and gulags and loggai's
Posted by: ChrisBieber on Oct 15, 2006 12:41 AM   
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this is what YOUR mindset and plans and emotional rantings leads to..

YOUR intellectual and spiritual bretheren of the past(the Inquisition - Lenin - Hitler - Mao) didnt apply tolerance....they killed those who "might offend others" or might instill "religion" on children.......

your support of fascist(at LEAST in UTTER opposition to the First Amendment)Soviet FCC laws to "silence" opposing views is political bookburning...

so you "liberals" support free speech??

sure you do.."Free Speech for ME but not for THEE!"

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D.Diehl:
Posted by: rwa on Oct 15, 2006 11:09 AM   
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One of the shortest and most simple of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not kill." Pretty simple. "You shall not kill." Any questions?
The entire Old Testament is filled with the exploits of a god that demands that these special people "do not kill," and yet do nothing but kill all those that get in the way of them and their God. If your last name ended in "kites or ites," you were pretty much going to get anhilated sooner or later by the people of the God who said, "You shall not kill." If you were the wives, daughters, sons and babies of the same, you also had had it...oh and your animals too.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist, as they say, to see why Fundamentalist Christians, Zionist Devotees and governments that swear they trust in God, get their ideas about what exactly "You shall not kill" means in practical fact. Here are several examples of how "You shall not kill" works.

Kill Witches, which today means environmentalists, Wiccans and those who go to church by sitting on rocks in rivers and in the mountains to think quietly about what life means to them.

"You should not let a sorceress live." (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Of course, Kill Homosexuals.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Death for Adultery. Please keep in mind here, the issue is taking a man's property, not romance.

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

And for hormone flushed teens and single people, Death for Fornication.

"A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 13:13-19.

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night. How do they figure out who is and who isn't?

"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death... (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods...kill him... (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath.

"...Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Kill Sons of Sinners.

"Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Generally mean killing. Be sure to kill the kids so the parents can die seeing it happen.

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Makes you wonder about those folks that demand the Ten Commandments be displayed in the State House doens't it?

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Yes, AlterNet can do better.
Posted by: Zarquan on Oct 15, 2006 6:56 PM   
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I am a confirmed atheist, and I think VoiceDude is absolutely right. (I'll reserve an opinion on paragraph #6, "Besides, this particular movie...." because I don't understand it.) The nastiness, the name-calling, the agitation are all counterproductive. All it accomplishes is to alienate the very people we need to be winning over to our side.

We find the fundamentalists disturbing because of their intolerance, and yet we liberals and progressives don't seem to object when someone advocates silencing voices on the religious right (or the social right, for that matter).

Yes, the fundamentalist strain of Christianity has won a genuinely frightening number of converts in this country. (I live in Texas, and the fundamentalists are simply everywhere. It is impossible to adequately convey the intolerance, bigotry, and utter unwillingness to compromise on anything to folks who live in less fundie-infested areas. Those of you whose idea of Christianity runs to the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or mainline Protestant models are in for a shock when you come up against this lot.) Nevertheless, we have to hold true to our own ideals. We cannot condemn the right for intolerance, for suppressing dissent, and for using the government to promote their cause, and then be intolerant, advocate suppression of right-wing views, or call for the government to act against these folks.

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