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Is Darwin Film "Creation" Too Controversial for American Audiences?

Only 39 percent of Americans believe in evolution. How long can we protect our mythologies?
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On the heels of a February 2009 Gallup poll showing that only 39% of Americans believe the theory of evolution, a new British film about Darwin has had difficulty finding US distributors, apparently because the topic was deemed too controversial for American audiences.

It's a remarkably low degree of support, even in a nation that flirted with the idea of vice-president Sarah Palin. After all, America has often been seen as an innovator, at the forefront of technological and scientific change.

Perhaps America's distrust of a major scientific theory could be dismissed as part of the country's quirky charm, with no real consequences because the story of creation has little to do with our practical, day-to-day lives. As long as that 39% of disbelievers are making our microchips and producing swine flu vaccine, who cares?

But sadly, such mistrust of science is not limited to the story of creation, but extends to stem cell research, climate change and cloning. The Gallup poll did not capture a scientific debate. It captured another front in the same culture war that is blocking a cap on carbon emissions.

Political and religious opponents of scientific theories try to win not by way of careful comparisons of each side's ideas, a method that would require a great deal of study and knowledge, but by muddying the debate and demonising opponents. It's a tactic utilised to great effect in the US by sceptics of global warming. The faithful can sleep easy knowing that there's a little evidence over here for our side and a little over there for the other side.

As a result, who needs to do any serious thinking or change behaviours? Frankly, what people believe in the comfort of their own homes is not much cause for national concern, even if those ideas are irrational. But if those attitudes are warming our oceans and forestalling medical breakthroughs, it becomes everyone's problem.

To be sure, evolution and climate change are merely theories. But so are relativity and quantum mechanics – ideas that led to the creation of the modern computer and satellites. The search is on for a grand unified theory of physics, which may one day put Albert Einstein in his place. But in the meantime, do we pretend to know better about gravity?

There is indeed a debate over certain aspects of evolution, but the geological and biological evidence is sufficient to reach a consensus about the general principles for the overwhelming majority of scientists who study the issue. Until scientists come up with a better explanation for the origins of life as we understand it, it is the prevailing view in our institutions of higher learning.

One might look at this approach and say: How is such fidelity to science different from a literal, unquestioning reading of the gospel? It's about the same, except science can change over time as we gather new evidence. If scientists are wrong, there are mechanisms to correct those mistakes. But the creationist view comes from an eternal source which, for it to mean anything, cannot change over time. It is far more dangerous to trust our unchanging traditions in forming our scientific beliefs than the scientific method.

And so in its endless pursuit of winning the culture wars, America finds itself "exceptional" once again on the world stage, captured by Gallup in an unflattering pose. Our nation's professed greatness, ravaged by a deep recession, has received yet another wound by way of its reactionary attitude toward science.

It may be that this is merely a phase, which we will pass through like so many others. But if we do not change our ways and embrace science, we will let our desire to protect our own mythologies undermine our national interests on a wide range of pressing social and political issues.


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Well...
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 AM   
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It's safe to assume that those who do not believe in evolution - i.e. 61% of Americans - are what can only be described as "Christian fanatics".

The problem is that when it comes to politics, that 61% group has a great deal of influence. As a result, instead of looking at things objectively, they tend to borrow ideas from scriptures and what have you.

And America ends up going backward instead of moving forward. That 61% group is most likely the same group that would be outraged should one compare their thought process to that of the Taliban.

In the words of Dumbia, "Is R children learnin'?"

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Regarding "Only 39 percent of Americans believe in evolution"
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Sep 23, 2009 2:22 AM   
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I don't believe that... 39 percent is way too low. Where did you get your polling information, Jerry Falwell???

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Gallup is only calling Faux News viewers for purpose
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Sep 23, 2009 2:33 AM   
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of polls.


Just like in the middle ages, religion trumps science, it's a no brainer for sure.

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That's an idea
Posted by: paulaH on Sep 23, 2009 8:03 AM   
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When someone applies for federal aid, they should disclose their political leanings. If they consider themselves Republican, they should be told, "I'm sorry. Since you don't believe in public assistance, we can't give it to you. It would be against your religion. Have a good day." Nice thought, anyway. :)

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You obviously don't live in the south
Posted by: Hiroak on Sep 23, 2009 8:18 AM   
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I live in TN and in a city where one would think Science would be king (Oak Ridge) but it is not to be. I run into many people who are "educated" with Masters and PhD's who have no problem standing by Jayzus and the literal translation on the Bible.

I went with my "wifelike girlfriend" (at her mother's insistenced) to her Church (Cumberland Presbyterian) and they were sponsoring a trip for the kiddies to the "Creation Museum" in Louivlle, KY. It is insanity.

There are many churches in this town that I would describe as "Evangelical" and they tareget the kids with all kinds of fun stuff to do. We do have a couple of very progressive churches U.U., and two other non-denominational ones that have no problems with the Logos - mythos division of spirituality but most in this town look to the Bible as a science text.

Not all of these nut bags are poor, uneducated, or on any government assistance and in fact make very nice salaries, scary.

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Majority of the 61% Don't care. Majority of 39% Don't Really Understand Anyway,
Posted by: laurenaislinn on Sep 23, 2009 3:31 AM   
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"To be sure, evolution and climate change are merely theories." (Empasis mine.)In science the term "Theory", when long tested, wistanding all alternatives, & describing the intellectual basis of entire fields of science, is held as Fact. However, science can only disprove, not prove. Thus we're careful w/the use of the term fact as well. "Theory" should only be used when it describes a set of scientific principles (in this case not merely 'Darwinian evolution'), that now underscore the subdisciplines of genetics, biogeography, evol genetics, historical geology, paleobiology, development, developmental evo, sociobiology, macrocroevolution & epigenetics, & others, that comprise the Neo-Synthetic Theory of Evolution-a far cry from mere Darwinian evolution. Granted questions still exist in each subdiscipline. Science Expects & Thrives on questions and Real challenges. Yet their answers,whether correct or not today, in no way obviate the Theory in general. Neither Darwin nor Einstien will be tossed aside-only added to. Newton, Copernicus & Galileo are still relevant.

Most in this country value science only so far as it can add to technology. This includes fundamentalists in the 61%. Most people who've ever attended church or 'Sunday school' as youngsters have been brainwashed. They never really think about what they were taught. If they did, & if they knew more science, history & theology, they'd realize that the fundamentalist beliefs are delusional. But then of what use is history anyway?

"There is indeed a debate over certain aspects of evolution,..", These are technical aspects w/in established theory rarely brought to public attention & about which the public knows nothing.
"..but the geological and biological evidence is sufficient to reach a consensus for the overwhelming majority of scientists who study the issue."
The 'minority' who don't agree are those Allowed to receive degrees despite their creationist beliefs. (science cannot discriminate against faith/religion.) Still the majority of this 'minority' come from Christian 'colleges' that can't teach theology without bias.
"Until scientists come up with a better explanation for the origins of life as we understand it,..."
As strictly defined "Biological Eolution-i.e., the origin of species" applies Only to the mechanisms, processes and history of life Once it arose. Not to life's Origins. Life's origins is a newly developing branch of science unto itself without any unifying theory.

"One might look at this approach and say: How is such fidelity to science different from a literal, unquestioning reading of the gospel? It's about the same,.."
The author's answer is generally correct, yet there are additional differences. Scientists don't pray to deities; don't demand faith & belief as doctrine; don't actually Have doctrines; don't hold rituals celebrating faith; don't 'damn' each other to 'hell' for disagreement (tho there maybe defunding & obscurity-yet these individuals often rise again, vindicated, Without jeapordizing Theory); don't consider adherents to one set of ideas to better 'better' people than others; don't defend racism as a core (tho now largely hidden ancillary to the latter); & don't war against 'alternative sciences'.

Lastly of the 39% who 'believe' evolution, most haven't had more than 1 year of college science or a rare, good high school education (or rational parents). They do not Actually understand what either the Theories of Darwinian Evolution or the Neo-Synthetic Theory say. Most believe in what is a 'chain of being' sort of ascendancy of life that puts them at the 'pinnacle' of all things, regardless of they 'got there'. In this they are Totally wrong. We aren't central to Anything except others of our own species & responsible for our own (often insane) behaviors.

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How Long?
Posted by: shill on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 AM   
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A LONG damn time, if not indefinitely. People believe what they WANT to believe facts be damned, and apparently a majority of our people WANT to believe that Darwin was some sort of Godless charlatan, because that's what they get fed daily on our so called "Christian" radio and TV stations.

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The Greatest Threat to Fundamentalists Posed by
Posted by: laurenaislinn on Sep 23, 2009 4:14 AM   
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evolution and geology is the disruption of a long-entrenched notion of humankind that is fundamentally racist. That "My beliefs & those of My Group's are Superior to your's and (admitted or not), I am thus Better than you." is at the basis of all fear of evolutionary science & all fear that the Bible's 'fundamentals' re our origins may be not only wrong, but totally delusional.

The majority of Americans (and many Europeans) still firmly believe in 'devolution' or the 'degeneration of races which fell out of God's favor'. Some of these, according to many English & German Protestants may even be causcasian. Here we're talking about prejudice that is as ancient as written history: We have in descending order from the penultimate Anglo-Saxon Male, the Irish, the French, eastern europeans & Russians, Mediterranean peoples, Asians, Native Americans, Mid-Easterners, Jews and, lastly all 'blacks'.

Why do I say this? One of the fundamental beliefs cherished by such 'christians', but which they rarely speak of is notion of the 'degeneration of races'. Try as they may to accept non-caucasian peoples as 'equally good christians', they still believe in the concept of race.

Evolution destroys the notion of race. In biology there are only clines in the variation of biological characteristics within species. 'Races' are convenient figments of our imaginations--easy means of grouping people by superficial characteristics that overlook the gradations in those characters and the fact that the Real 'Other' which is feared is based on culture or ethnicity.

The most direct descendants of the oldest living populations so simply classified as 'races' for convenience sake are those which are the most genetically and morphologically diverse. The descendants of this first group are generally progressively less diverse. Evolutionary success is defined in biology and paleobiology by longevity and diversity, not by the temporary prevailing power structure (nor by abundance, or position in the so-called 'food chain').

Thus, acceptance of evolution destroys the fundamentalists paradigm of white male superiority. This is really why it terrifies the 'true believers'.

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The creationists are succeeding if even the other side writes "merely a theory"
Posted by: Beck on Sep 23, 2009 6:01 AM   
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"To be sure, evolution and climate change are merely theories." This is just what creationists say, "evolution is ONLY a theory". In science, theory does not mean what it means to we common folk. They'd use "hypothesis" for for an intriguing idea with merit, as yet unproven.

"Theory" as described on wikipedia:

"A scientific theory is a well supported body of interconnected statements that explains observations and can be used to make testable predictions."

"Scientific theories describe the coherent framework into which observable data fit. The "theory of evolution" is the framework that best explains observed changes of species over time and best predicts the new observations that continue to be made in evolutionary biology and related sciences."

"The scientific definition of the word "theory" is different from the colloquial sense of the word. Colloquially, "theory" can mean a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation that does not have to be based on facts or make testable predictions. In science, the meaning of theory is more rigorous: a theory must be based on observed facts and make testable predictions."

This writer should have known this, as we all should. It gives us the true argument when religious belief tries to strike down science. Including the following in this article, "One might look at this approach and say: How is such fidelity to science different from a literal, unquestioning reading of the gospel? It's about the same, except science can change over time as we gather new evidence" is even more proof of the trouble we're in. No, it is NOT about the same. "Fidelity to science" in a area of scientific concern, an area that has had enough study for scientists to state that evolution is all but a proven fact, is not even close to the same as a "literal, unquestioning reading of the gospel".

It's not as scary that a minority states a belief in evolution as that those who do believe in evolution aren't more equipped to provide better arguments. If we agree that evolution is "merely a theory" and that belief in science is pretty much like religious belief, we capitulate to the underlying tenants of the creationists' whole belief system, and we play into their arguments.

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evolution yes; RM&N no
Posted by: Bertvan on Sep 23, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Many people who believe in evolution don't believe in evolution by random mutation and natural selection. The notion that natural selection(premature death) can somehow organize a collection of genetic accidents into complex biological systems. Darwinists whould like to to convince you this is a religious view. However one doesn't have to be religious to believe all life is capable of intelligent, purposeful response and is therefore telligently designed.
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Think of it as hypocrisy in action
Posted by: littlepitcher on Sep 23, 2009 6:33 AM   
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Equation: Natural selection + intentional breeding=evolution.

Anyone who can't comprehend this is a living demonstration that bad drugs cause brain damage, including the "opiate of the masses".

Churches still have power to give personal references and withhold jobs. The double standard is still alive and well and women have to prove they are "good girls" to get the positions midway to the ceiling instead of in the green-collar moldy basement of employment.

Christianity, like the other middle-eastern religions, is a "bully pulpit" in more ways than one. Congregations can be manipulated into mobs and gangs, Jesus forgives thieves, and if you can't send us heretics and infidels to hell, you can stone us or refuse to permit us to "live/work". The bullies rule, and the cowards bow and shuffle.

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Well, now!
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 23, 2009 6:41 AM   
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In a nation that harbors an agency as tyrannical as IRS, absolutely controlling all aspects of the economy and its money, redistributing wealth to the nation's mega-corporations cynically deciding who will succeed and who will fail, we relentlessly boast of our "free market economy" and the opportunity it offers to all.

In a nation whose military infests the planet everywhere - more than seven hundred, fifty military bases in one hundred, thirty countries - we proclaim that we are peacemakers (anybody remember "Pax Romana," the peace of Ancient Rome?).

In a nation where no professional, college, or major sports team otherwise includes a single female athlete, we nevertheless insist that our combat military and front-line police forces are not degraded by inclusion of women.

In a nation proclaiming its "democratic principles" and "rule of law" to the world, we have 60,000 lobbyists at the seat of government, every one of them whose express purpose is to circumvent, prevent, and frustrate the will of the people (have you noticed the supposed health care "debate?)

In a nation where the children - most effectively those of "minorities - effectively control the schools, and "no child left behind" is the law, we complain that teachers are not doing their jobs and are not good enough.

All that and much, much more; and the author here really expects anything of intellectual efficacy, or even rectitude, from a society as obviously (and demonstrably - study after study, survey after survey) ignorant as this one?

Egad!

"Youk'n hide de fier, but w'at you gwine do wid de smoke?"

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Darwin
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 23, 2009 6:59 AM   
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In defense of the other 61%, most Americans are at a different point on the evolutionary chart than the rest of the human species.

Note the skull structure and brain mass of the georgedubyus bushmonkeeus specimen. It's like comparing apples and oranges...and bananas...and nuts, if you think about it.

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Believe in evolution?
Posted by: bobconway on Sep 23, 2009 7:46 AM   
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"Only 39 percent of Americans believe in evolution. How long can we protect our mythologies?"

Do you not see the contradiction in these two sentences? To the extent that people believe in evolution, they mythologize it!

Evolution is not a mythology in which one should believe, it is a scientific theory that happens to be strongly supported by more than 170 years of research, observation, and evidence. People who believe in evolution may be as much a problem as those who believe in creationism. Believers in evolution need to change their entire attitude toward this venerable theory, else they may be doing science more harm than good.

Evolution is properly approached rationally, not with faith or belief. Evolutionary theory is accepted by honest evolutionary biologists not as a tenet of faith, but as the best scientific theory to date that explains the phenomena of speciation, the biodiversity that we all can see around us, how living things got to be the way they are, and how species may change in the future.

Like other scientific theories, evolutionary theory is undergoing constant revision and refinement as scientists learn more about it. Evolution as a theory continues to evolve, and that is as it should be.

Evolution is also an ongoing process that can be observed in the real world, not a matter of speculation akin to wondering how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and not a frozen dogma immune to revision. Bacteria are evolving in real time in response to antibiotics and their widespread abuse. Viruses are not fixed entities, they are mutating into new species more virulent than their antecedents. These are observable processes happening in the real world in real time, not theological tenets or speculations.

The fact that evolution is not some ossified dogma nailed-down and codified in some scripture makes it a real BOON to humankind. It means that we're still in the process of discovery, that we can have real hope for finding treatments and even cures for genetic diseases, that we have not yet reached a dead end.

The fact that evolution is not dogma is its greatest strength, a point not being adequately stressed in the education of our children. It's a problem with scientific education generally, not just with evolution. Kids are given some fixed model of the Universe as though it has been carved into stone tablets by the hand of some secular god when science actually is pretty much the opposite of dogma.

Science is the ongoing process of discovering truth about the physical world through rational means, and that's how educators need to be teaching it.

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Gotta love the irony...
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Sep 23, 2009 8:29 AM   
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...that the total white female fertility rates in the more religious areas of the country - i.e., the Red States - is much higher than in the Blue States (*), so the people in JesusLand are currently winning the simple Darwinian battle of out-reproducing those who actually "believe" in Darwin.

In fact, this is generally the case also in various countries around the globe, with more traditional/religious countries having vastly higher female fertility rates than in the developed countries. Demographically, it's not difficult to see who the future belongs to, numbers-wise at least.

* Utah, the prototypical red state, has a total white female fertility rate of about 2 1/2 children per woman, while prototypical blue states like Vermont and Massachusetts come in closer to 1 1/2. Such differences, compounded over time, are enormous.

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Evolution leads to morality
Posted by: rmirman on Sep 23, 2009 9:04 AM   
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They dislike evolution because it leads to morality and they prefer to be immoral. For discussion (also of meaning of theory which the post got wrong) see book
Our Almost Impossible Universe:
Why the laws of nature make the existence of humans extraordinarily unlikely

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This sucks
Posted by: chaoslegs on Sep 23, 2009 9:18 AM   
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I had a good box at the Toronto International Film Festival and got all my first choices. I didn't pick this one, because I figured it was going to be coming to America. I went to If I Knew What You Said instead. Glad I did because that was great.

My friend saw it and liked it, but she is a Canadian. Maybe I will have to take orders when I am in Canada next year for the DVD for the rest of you.

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Evolution is a fact!
Posted by: ClassAct on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 AM   
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As the fossil record clearly shows, the evolution of species over geologic time is a fact. Creationism is not a fact because it is flatly contradicted by the evidence.
How this evolution occurs is a theory. Before Darwin, there was Lamarcke who felt that environmental stresses confronting adults would create traits that eased such stresses in their offspring; this was a view embraced under Stalin. Mendel's work in genetics confirmed for Darwin and against Lamarcke, yet within the Darwinian-genetic model, there are still many theories regarding how evolution occurs.

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I'll hit the film distribution issue since the science angle was thoroughly hashed out
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 23, 2009 10:10 AM   
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Nice work, BTW. I enjoyed most of the commentary to this piece.

I like a nice big-screen event too, just like the next clown. True I see two big screen shows a year because I frankly cannot afford them any more than that, but I like 'em just fine anyway.

But the problem with big-screen spectacles is that the distribution and gatekeeping is so narrow, so artificially small that it makes no sense to rely on them as a mechanism for any filmic artifact. Internet and DVD are the workaround. Sure, bitch about the gatekeeping craptasm because we should bite the asses of the shitheads who want us kept dumb, stoopid and innerant. But film-makers need to work the work-around constantly to get the message out. Take the tip from Greenwald who's doing that and doing it well.

Enough of this cowing to the Man. Fuck him and shove his gatekeeping right back up his puckered white hairy ass. Besides I can watch a DVD at midnight when I actually have "me" time after working three dumbassed low paying piece of shit jobs a day, far easier than I can afford to go to the fancypants moovee house for a big-screen extravaganza ($8 for 'corn?! WTF!).

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Paul Bettany's THE MAN!
Posted by: Augustus_818 on Sep 23, 2009 10:22 AM   
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I don't care how many "Creationists" go protest, I'm checking this movie out. Just because Paul Bettany gonna be playing Darwin. Paul Bettany's the MAN!

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Dumb Americans.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 23, 2009 10:39 AM   
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I'd really like to know where exactly the 39% of Americans that they polled for their statistics came from? I realize that the dumbing down of Americans has increased exponentially over the last 25+ years, I just didn't realize that it really was that broad! While I understand that religious affliction has interrupted the real world thought processes among many Americans, I didn't realize that it was so thorough as that.

People, science isn't trying to explain away G-d, period! Science helps us to explain the "natural laws" and processes around us, our impact on ourselves and our world! In a way science helps us make sense of those tangible things we think are unexplainable. Faith on the other hand helps us to make sense of those things that happen that have no other explanation, it gives us comfort and consoles us during some of the worst moments of our lives! Faith is something that we are supposed to live with and hold onto and breathe into our lives!

The current crop of Bible Thumpers are so busy waiting for the Apocalypse, yet attempting to block scientific advancements are dooming us all to their backward ignorant ways are not doing us any favors! Can you Thumpers wait quietly on the mountain for your rapture, and allow those of us living in the real world to make the advancements that will benefit even those that don't believe in them!

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39%
Posted by: Cybershaman on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 AM   
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Maybe that's 39% WHO BELEIVE IT VERBATUM. Many of us think it's a good theory but needs to be updated as we discover more about it. I suspect there is a feedback effect that impells life to become more organized and more complex in order to become more self-aware.

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Fear of Science
Posted by: jlowelld on Sep 23, 2009 11:28 AM   
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One of the main problems with science is that it doesn't so much offer answers as it poses questions. Without out answers the 'universe' is chaotic--which of course is one of the main underlying tenets of modern science: chaos theory(as a 19th century scientist, Darwin was still rooted in culture based on order and predictability--most scientist of his day probably accepted the theory of evolution; Darwin's real contribution being the mechanism of evolution: natural selection).

For nominally educated persons, science presents a world view that is to pragmatic and bereft of the comforting homilies of religious mythology, which tend to support the 'dyanisian' view of human ego. Is it any wonder that people are turning to religion when science says that basis for our identity-- industrial capitalism and unbridled consumerism--are on the verge of making life itself impossible? The dual irony being that the products of the contemporary consumer cult would not exist without the science that so many people are now rejecting; on the other hand, the slim chances we as a species have of avoiding a major collapse, perhaps extinction, are nil without science.

Ultimately, it would seem that any culture that can't trust the conclusions of it's own knowledge system will soon find itself the victim of: natural selection.

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They should ask the question properly
Posted by: leemiller38 on Sep 23, 2009 11:59 AM   
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The question is put in religious terminology. Do you believe.... The question should be: "Do you accept the scientific explanation of evolution as the way in which life began on earth that led to humans being the dominant animal." If you can't ask the question properly, how do you expect to get a good answer though to be sure there are altogether too many people who might still answer negatively. I think this exercise is not one to provide much enlightenment on our culture. I definitely think the number accepting the alternative would be higher if the question were properly put by leaving out the belief stuff which is not a scientific question, but a religious one. One doesn't believe in evolution like some moralistic concept.

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EddDoerr
Posted by: EddDoerr on Sep 23, 2009 12:53 PM   
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It is funny, sad, disgusting, frightening, etc that the Darwin film can't find a US distributor when our cinema and TV screens are neck deep in trivial, unfunny, violent muck. Maybe Americans are devolving into silly zombies.

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Wow, Way to mislead your readers!
Posted by: Ayla87 on Sep 23, 2009 1:07 PM   
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"Only 39% of Americans believe in Evolution."

Then you neglect to mention the other 36% of people who answered that poll who said they don't give a shit either way.

39% + 36% = 75% or 3 in 4

Three in four Americans would either enjoy the movie or at the very least find it informative on the subject of evolution. The other one in four, have their heads shoved up thier asses so they probabaly don't know about the movie anyway.

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Evolution is a Process
Posted by: mdarlinggg on Sep 23, 2009 3:44 PM   
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I'd just like to point out that the Theory of Evolution does not explain the origin of life, or DNA.
What the Theory of Evolution does, is provide us with an incredibly accurate model of how living things adapt to their environment.
There is no reason to trade in spirituality for science.

If you don't believe in evolution,
you might as well not believe in gravity,
or light bulbs...

Have at it !

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It won't play in the US
Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 23, 2009 5:22 PM   
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US movie theaters won't want the annoyance of protesters for a film that is likely not big enough box office.

I'll be renting it as soon as it's available. I expect the subject of evolution is beyond the mental capacity of the majority of Americans, since only a minority of Americans even accept evolution as the operating mechanism by which life began and changes.

My mind boggles at the general stupidity and ignorance of Americans. It is often humiliating to realize that I am one, too. And, while it is exhilarating to realize I must by among the most intelligent of Americans, the possibility that that is true is disheartening -- is that really the best we can do????

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Who believes in evolution?
Posted by: aberdeen on Sep 23, 2009 11:34 PM   
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Darwin didn't believe in evolution either, at least not the evolution that was taught in my high school and college science class, nor the evolution still taught in PBS videos even today. According to modern Darwinists, not to be confused with Charles Darwin who was a real scientist, all living things on our planet evolved from a singular primary source naturally, without the aid of a Creator. That is not at all what Darwin believed. According to Darwin's revised version of On the Origin of Species, published about 6 years before his death and thus, representing a lifetime conclusion: "There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one". Darwin, unlike modern Darwinists insist, even back then allowed for multiple origination sources (which today some "rogue" non-Darwinist secular scientists believe may well number in the zillions).

Maybe idiots who believe in spontaneously appearing self-generating universes should call themselves "Dawkinists" and leave poor Charlie Darwin, a real scientist who tried to go by the evidence, out of the incredibly narrow-minded and completely preposterous equation. It takes far more faith than I have and far less of a skeptic than I am, to be a Dawkinist.

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

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Wrong question-61% don't UNDERSTAND evolution
Posted by: rugger on Sep 24, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in gravity or relativity.

These morons are too brainwashed by their fundamentalist beliefes. If they applied the same skpeticism to the nonsense in the Bibilical myth, they would throw the Bible away.

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Ref: "evolution and climate change are merely theories.But so are relativity and quantum mechanics"
Posted by: TheThone59 on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 PM   
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The author does a real disservice to his intellectual point by saying that "evolution and climate change are merely theories. But so are relativity and quantum mechanics." While there may be some disagreement about the the elements of climate change, there is hardly the same disagreement about evolution. To call it "merely" a theory is to play into the hands of the creationists. It is, indeed, a theory which has been substantiated and tested and confirmed time and time again by a large number of disciplines, the most recent being micro-biology and genetics. To lump it with "climate change" as opposed to including it with quantum physics suggests that the writer is not paying close attention to his diction or that deep down he is still skeptical of the theory of evolution. As a corrective, I suggest he read Jerry Coyne's recent book, Why Evolution is True. If we are to defend the coherence of evolution and scientific thought, we CANNOT allow any of our statements to be used as amunition by the illiterates.

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beliefs in gods..?
Posted by: luzmejor on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 AM   
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I'd say that people who believe myths instead of proofs are afraid that Science will make them see they are afraid their "god" is actually more intelligent than they are.

Of course, that will lead to doubt and anxiety, which is what they really do fear the most.

Better to be certain and wrong, I guess!

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Many people do not UNDERSTAND what "evolution" means
Posted by: Beadmaster on Sep 29, 2009 2:29 PM   
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I read an article which discussed this very subject in the Chicago Tribune Magazine:
"Trapped in the Creation Museum" article

If you scroll down to the fourth from the last paragraph, it says this:
"Polls show that a majority of Americans do not believe in creationism. So it is puzzling that other polls see a two-thirds majority in favor of adding creationism to the school curriculum. It gets weirder still. A 2005 Gallup poll found that large numbers of Americans don't even understand what the terms 'evolution' and 'creationism' actually mean. When surveys describe the two theories, rather than just naming them, people's responses often contradict their own views on creationism and evolution."

And a possible reason for this, from the next paragraph:
"This suggests that substantive issues are not really behind the stated approval of creationism in classrooms. Those surveyed may just be responding to survey questions that make it sound as if something is being withheld from the smorgasbord of choice. This is one of the great, but also worrisome, qualities of the American psyche."

This is the only thing that makes sense, IMO.

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The Wrong Paradigm
Posted by: Eric.Arthur.Blair on Sep 29, 2009 4:08 PM   
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Religion encourages people to be intellectually lazy, to accept rather than reason things out for themselves. As a result, many people expect the same authoritarian, unchanging answers from science as they do from scripture. This is wrong, and nobody said it better than someone who posts on the website Clipmarks under the name AtlLiberal:

"At least here in the States there unfortunately is an anti-intellectual bias that has permeated society. Along with the anti-intellectualism has developed a distrust of science. IMO, this originates in part because people expect science to fulfill the same purpose as religion in that when they hear of a scientific discovery or pronouncement they expect it to carry the same connotation as a religious edict. When new evidence comes along and changes the science people fail to understand that that is how science works. It's like they expect science to be inviolate once pronouncements are declared by the "priests" of science. Of course, all of this is foolishness and only points out the lack of understanding of the scientific method."

(Quoted with permission from AtlLiberal).

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Take a closer look at the numbers, 13% in scientific evolution
Posted by: Changling on Sep 29, 2009 8:54 PM   
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The other 26% accept evolution and creation and not really what evolution really is. A sort of compromise like what the Catholic Church did.

It is a hazy acception of it so don't be confused by those numbers, they are far worse. Amazing how all those minds aren't affected one bit by all that secularist learning!

Not surprising really. The religious indoctrination and the general lack of intelligence being nurtured in the inquiring areas beyond the occultic nature of religion is marked. The general anti-intellectualism is so prominent in our culture.

Magical thinking is much easier and acceptable here.

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Do preachers or teachers thwart our thinking?
Posted by: ProfBob on Sep 30, 2009 12:01 AM   
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When are Americans going to start evaluating their beliefs--religious, political, economic, environmental? For those who haven't yet read the free ebook series "In Search of Utopia" (http://andgulliverreturns.info) read Book 4 it is a readable and insightful series that brings us back to the basics of thinking and the needs of our nation and world. Our poor education, as clearly seen in the international education achievement comparisons, seems to make so many people wildly support un-thought-out opinions. Democracy cannot work without people who are both educated and wise.
Even the article seems to use 'scientific theory' as an extension of 'personal theory'. If I have a 'theory' about how to win at blackjack it is a whole lot different from the way scientists use the word 'theory'. which is a testable hypothesis based on overwhelming evidence. The section on 'semantics' in the above mentioned book covers this idea. Then it looks at the various types of evidence like empirical (science), historical (like the Bible and Koran), ideas taken from authority (such as the Pope's idea that life begins at conception, or your mother's proclamation that Santa Claus gives presents). There is a great difference in the verifiability of these sources of evidence.

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Further more
Posted by: sounddy on Oct 10, 2009 11:40 PM   
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Survival of the fittest is important for animals.But to human beings,I have nothing to say.MTS Converter

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yes, I agree
Posted by: rrrbert on Oct 20, 2009 7:19 PM   
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