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Why Is Jane Fonda Being Accused Of An "Attack On The Heart and Soul Of Israel"?

Artists protesting the Toronto International Film Festival's commemoration of the 100th anniversary of Tel Aviv are being demonized.
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You know how those flamboyant Hollywood types like to exaggerate. And when people anywhere talk about the Israel-Palestine conflict, moderate words are usually in short supply. Put the two together, and it's not surprising to find heated language flying on every side. But if, as William Blake said, the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom, we might learn a lot about the Middle East tragedy from excessive words coming out of Hollywood.

Actually, right now, they're coming out of Toronto, the latest place where Hollywood has met the Middle East -- appropriately enough, perhaps, since Toronto has huge active Jewish and Muslim communities as well a very creative film scene.

This year the Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF) is honoring the 100th anniversary of the founding of Tel Aviv by spotlighting 10 Israeli films. That has sparked a protest (not a boycott, contrary to some rumors) by more than 60 artists, including Danny Glover, David Byrne, and Eve Ensler.

But the big catch for the protest organizers was two-time Oscar-winner Jane Fonda (Best Actress: 1971 for Klute, 1978 for Coming Home). When she signed the protesters' "Toronto Declaration: No Celebration of Occupation," she put the whole controversy even more firmly in the headlines.

The Declaration declares that Tel Aviv cannot be looked at in isolation from the suffering of the Palestinians; the TIFF program "ignores the suffering of thousands of former residents and descendants"; the festival's claim to encourage diversity is "empty given the absence of Palestinian filmmakers in the program."

John Grayson, the Canadian filmmaker who initiated the protest, further charges that TIFF, "whether intentionally or not, has become complicit in the Israeli propaganda machine." "We're not protesting the Israeli films or the filmmakers," he says. "Our target is TIFF's Spotlight on Tel Aviv itself, and specifically its connections to the 'Brand Israel' campaign [a campaign supported by major Canadian media companies to polish Israel's image] and the Israeli Consulate, which make the spotlight look and feel like a propaganda exercise. We're telling TIFF that eight months since the Gaza massacre, this is no time to be uncritically 'celebrating' Tel Aviv."

Those are generally measured words, though it does seem unfair to call the focus on Tel Aviv a "celebration of occupation"; an "obfuscation of occupation" would have made the point more precisely. And in fact TIFF will show two Palestinian films along with the Israeli films.

But whatever bit of exaggeration the protesters may engage in is dwarfed by the sharp retort they've elicited from another two-time Oscar-winner, Rabbi Marvin Hier. He's not quite as famous as Jane Fonda, to say the least. But he does indeed have as many of those golden statuettes as she has on the mantelpiece (Best Documentary, Features: 1997 for The Long Way Home,1982 for Genocide). And he is an ordained rabbi. Hier produced his award-winning documentaries as part of his better-known work: He's founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

Rabbinical Nonsense

Rabbi Hier blasted the TIFF protest in overheated language, as "an attack on the heart and soul of Israel. … People who support letters like this are people who do not support a two-state solution. By calling into question the legitimacy of Tel Aviv, they are supporting a one-state solution, which means the destruction of the State of Israel. "

He went on to say, "If every city in the Middle East would have the cultural diversity, the freedom of expression, and treat its citizens, Jews and Arabs, the way Tel Aviv does, peace would have come to the Middle East long ago."

Well, there may be some truth in that. In fact, if every city, town, and village in Israel were as liberal as Tel Aviv, Israeli Jews would have agreed to a genuinely independent and viable Palestinian state long ago.

But nothing else the rabbi says makes any sense. The starting point of his argument -- that the Toronto Declaration "question[s] the legitimacy of Tel Aviv" -- is a subjective interpretation of the text. I don't read it that way; neither does Fonda, who wrote: "The letter certainly did not call for the destruction of Israel or call into question the legitimacy of Tel Aviv as a city." But I can see how someone might read it that way. Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, for example, might be inclined to question the legitimacy of Tel Aviv.

But Meshal has accepted the existence of the state of Israel (and, presumably, its largest city). That doesn't mean he likes it. It simply means that -- as the Toronto Declaration suggest -- there are realities that we accept as givens, even though they are built on tragic historical legacies. But those legacies deserve to be carefully remembered.

So even if some of the protesters view Tel Aviv's founding as illegitimate, to jump from there to the claim that "they are supporting a one-state solution, which means the destruction of the State of Israel," is what philosophers call a "howler," an argument totally without logic. The Toronto Declaration says nothing like that; not even close.

Jane Fonda made this clear in her response to Hier: "I, in no way, support the destruction of Israel. I am for the two-state solution. I have been to Israel many times and love the country and its people." It is perfectly consistent for Fonda to sign the Declaration as a way to pressure Israel to move more rapidly toward a two-state peace agreement, as she says: "It is out of love for Israel and all that it promised to be that I protest the use of art (which is meant to search for truth) in this branding campaign. The greatest 're-branding' of Israel would be to celebrate that country's robust peace movement by allowing aid to be delivered to Gaza and stopping expansion of the settlements. That's the way to show Israel's commitment to peace, not a PR campaign. There will be no two-state solution unless this happens."

To accuse Jane Fonda of "an attack on the heart and soul of Israel" is just plain silly. It would make as much sense to say that anyone who talks about the theft of native American land is promoting the destruction of the United States.

How did an educated rabbi miss this obvious point? Most likely, because he wanted to miss it. He's been trained to miss it. Everyone he counts as a friend or colleague would probably miss it too. People who call themselves "pro-Israel" because they support a right-wing anti-Palestinian agenda tend to hang out with each other and reinforce each other's narrow-minded perspective.

Though the rabbi does have his Oscars and his Hollywood connections, I'm quite sure his penchant for exaggeration about Israel comes much more from his Jewish connections. I say that having grown up in the Jewish community, having read and heard Jewish views on the Middle East for over half a century, and having endured similar extremist criticisms directed against myself for many years.

The unfortunate reality is that too many Jews are as intemperate and unreasonable in their views as Rabbi Hier. Too many thrive on discovering new criticisms of Israeli policy and treating each one -- no matter how thoughtful or how minor -- as if it were a threat to the very existence of Israel.

A rabbi with such close links to Hollywood, the world's most image-conscious city, should know better. Shrill, hysterical responses to mild (and usually quite legitimate) criticism does nothing to help the image of "Brand Israel" or its Jewish supporters. On the contrary, crying "wolf" when there is no wolf tends to invalidate everything else the crier says. It looks like an attempt to manipulate people in the service of a hidden agenda. And it raises disturbing questions about what's going on inside the hysteric's mind.

Unreasoning, Unjustified Terror

I don't know Rabbi Hier. But I've known plenty of people who were just as quick to turn any critique of Israeli policy into an attack on Israel's existence. It was pretty clear to me what was going on in their minds: fear. And not just any old fear, but "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror," as Franklin D. Roosevelt put it in his first inaugural address. A mind filled with that kind of terror can easily interpret a difference of opinion or a minor slight as a life-threatening assault.

FDR said fear was the only thing we have to fear. Well, it's certainly not the only thing Palestinians have to fear. They deal every day with teenaged soldiers licensed to kill them, settlers free to attack them, roadblocks manned by soldiers or bureaucrats determined to grind them down, and an endless array of insults and assaults on their basic human rights.

But the irrational terror that haunts too many Jews when it comes to Israel is the greatest threat to Israel itself, because it's the strongest factor preventing Israel from agreeing to a fair and just two-state solution. Why so many people would cling to just self-defeating terror is a vexing question. I've got a few ideas of my own, but perhaps no one will ever really understand it.

Terror, whatever its source, is a bad basis for policy. It breeds hysteria, which prevents clear thinking. By now, the "pro-Israel" hysterics have been at it in so many places, for so long, and with such powerful effect that much of what they say gets taken seriously, as if it were sensible and worthy of thoughtful discussion. Once they win that point, really thoughtful discussion is no longer possible. And without thoughtful discussion, the peace that Israelis and Palestinians need to make them secure is not possible either.

The unreasoning cries of alarm raised by the likes of Rabbi Hier are far too common in the Jewish community. They distort public perception of the Middle East conflict, creating a huge emotional cloud that blinds people to the very real possibility of rational solutions. And their obvious, even ridiculous, tone of hysteria hurts everyone. Even right-wing Jews who are out to prevent a Palestinian state would serve their cause better by creating a more reasonable image. An Oscar-winner from Hollywood certainly ought to know that.

Perhaps, if they would just calm down and at least pretend to be reasonable for a few minutes, they will begin to understand why they should listen to the thoughtful criticisms coming from pro-Israel peace-lovers like Jane Fonda. No one can think constructively about security -- which is presumably what Rabbi Hier wants for Israel -- until they can first distinguish between real and unreal threats to security.

Whether a nation with over 200 nuclear weapons and the world's fourth of fifth most powerful military, vastly more powerful than any of its neighbors, can have any real security threats is an open question. Whether a nation that acts out of fear and refuses to make compromises for peace can ever be secure is an equally challenging question. To think about these questions in any fruitful way, the first step is just to be able to think, rather than responding with unreasoning, unjustified terror.
 


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Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Read more of his writing on Israel, Palestine, and American Jews on his blog: http://chernus.wordpress.com.
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Hanoi Jane fonda
Posted by: progressive-life on Sep 10, 2009 7:51 AM   
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shows her ugly head again... a traitor who should have been jailed for aiding and giving comfort to the enemy.

Who gives a shit what she says

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wrensis
Posted by: wrensis on Sep 10, 2009 9:26 AM   
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First of all get over Jane Fonda. Sheesh. It was a bad war...ask any vet

Who do you think makes the Films???? Palestinians. It is time to take a stand over the bullying of Israel

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Jane
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 12, 2009 2:14 AM   
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It's just another example of the overall Israeli strategy: take any criticism as a threat to Israel, all Jews, and the threat of another Holocaust. That way, they make themselves immune to all criticism.

Personally, I'm not really into these dramatic, symbolic kinds of protests by Hollywood divas; it just encourages them to do more grandstanding. I'd prefer a nice simple, peaceful, quiet boycott of all Israeli products by ordinary people, and hit them in their economy, where it hopefully will hurt the most. They can't stop us from not buying stuff.

Of course, they may just make up the difference by mooching more aid from the US and raping the Palestinian territories for more resources, but they were probably going to do that anyway.

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Israel is a self-inflicted wound
Posted by: weathered on Sep 12, 2009 2:20 AM   
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No friends, just resentments, acrimony, distrust and hate. Nice job and just think they've no one to blame but themselves, but blame, complain, distract, distort, deceive and deny they will.

Until Israel confronts their selfish part in their own exhausting drama of 'victimhood' and takes responsibility for it Peace will elude them in perpetuity.

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upstartgreen
Posted by: upstartgreen on Sep 12, 2009 5:56 AM   
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How ironic that Israel has recreated the Warsaw Ghetto casting the Palestinians as the victims and themselves as thegenocidal maniacs.

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You mean Jane, the noted political scientist?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Sep 12, 2009 6:14 AM   
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Sorry, folks, but I happened to have been an MIA wife for eight years, from '72-'80, so when it comes to Jane Fonda, my liberal sympathies decamp rapidly. She so abused her countrymen who were being held prisoner in Hanoi that she should have been criminally prosecuted for it.

Janey, do us all a favor, honey, and FINALLY, just sit down and shut the f**k up!

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Fonda abused POWs in Vietnam
Posted by: mjt on Sep 12, 2009 7:13 AM   
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There are a lot of what we would now call "swift boat" stories about what Fonda did in N Vietnam. But they have been discredited just like so many of the imagination fueled stories that the right likes to spread around for the gullible.

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Good Stuff!
Posted by: DavyJones on Sep 12, 2009 8:15 AM   
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Thanks, Alternet for publishing this wise and thoughtful article.

Some of the pathetic rants in the Comments Section only confirm the author's point that "creating a huge emotional cloud...blinds people to the very real possibility of rational solutions."

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Criticism of the Festival is not a call for boycott
Posted by: Petrus on Sep 12, 2009 8:16 AM   
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The criticism of the Festival's choice comes from weightier types than Jane Fonda, including Naomi Klein, who spoke in the most measured, balanced and respectful tones, and was treated to overheated, hyperbolic ad hominem attacks in response. But now that Marvin Hier has raised the issue, let me state I have always believed, since I became interested in the PLO in the 1960s when Marxists not Muslims led the resistance, in the One State solution. I believe in One secular, democratic state, with defined borders, no nuclear weapons, a constitution, religious equality and religious freedom and equal citizenship for all inhabitants of what is now Israel and the occupied territories. This would be a state that would offer the right of immigration to any Jewish person who wanted to live there, and the return of all Palestinian refugees and their descendants. According to Marvin Hier, that makes me an unspeakable Nazi. According to a rational person, that makes me just another North American who believes in rule of law, equality under the law and religious and cultural freedom for all.

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I live in Toronto: its a *very* pro-Israel market community
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 12, 2009 1:23 PM   
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there are a LOT of "invest in Israel" billboards...

a LOT of advertising for "invest in your cultural future, by protecting the Past... " & my favourite, posters all over the many metro campuses highlighting, "work out at the JCC: no contracts!"

What confuses me about the "invest in Israel" bonds... is if Israel is spending so much money on its occupation war machine, welfare for the Hassidim & so much for security...

how is someone supposed to get their investment returned?

Maybe I'm missing the point, but if there were foreign investment bonds for say, Japan or China or Ireland in the US...

it wouldn't be considered kosher...

so why are there more 'invest in Israel' advertisements in Toronto than 'invest in Canada'?

Hell, Canada has been under economic & propagandic amoral siege by the US Imperial War Machine for decades... the US financial agencies have been dumping MILLIONS into Canada to kill our healthcare commitment & undermine national identity...

so why is Israel more important to Canadians than Canada?

just one of those 'why are you investing in supporting human rights abuses? questions...
damned odd:

http://www.InvestInYourValues.ca
http://www.israelbonds.ca
http://www.obligationsdisrael.ca

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I Agree with Jane.
Posted by: yellow on Sep 12, 2009 2:57 PM   
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I think that the Israeli films and filmakers who were being featured should be seen. But it is important not to see this as a vindication of Israeli aggression in Gaza.

Tel Aviv, by the way, was not founded on Arab land; not one Arab was displaced by its founding in 1909. It was founded just north of the ancient port city of Jaffa which was almost all Arab. The first Jewish settlement in what became Tel Aviv was just north along the seashore from Jaffa called Neve Tzedek. Jews were expelled from Tel Aviv by the Turks during WWI but were allowed to return by the British after the British occupation. Riots in Jaffa in May 1921, which killed dozens of Jews, caused Jews to flee Jaffa and concentrated what few Jews that lived there to go north to Tel Aviv.

Boycotts are inappropriate in this case. Israel is observing a ceasefire and Tel Aviv is not an illegal settlement but part of Israel proper which, of course, is recognized by the whole world as having a legitimate right to exist.

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More Bull?
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 12, 2009 6:03 PM   
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You are right. Not one Palestinian was displaced by the founding of Tel-Aviv.

BUT

Those who lived in Jaffa were forced out. They went to Gaza whose current population is made up of refugees, mostly.

Even those who managed to stay in Jaffa are prohibited from renovating their old homes. Israel says they need permits (to renovate). Permits are impossible to get. So, the residents leave, slowly, but surely. Those who don't leave are evicted because the buildings are "not safe" anymore.

How convenient eh?

Tell us more about Tel-Aviv and the shining city on the hill, won't you?

By the way, was your username inspired by a certain bodily function?

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Posted by: kmkm2001 on Sep 12, 2009 8:03 PM   
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Posted by: kmkm2001 on Sep 12, 2009 8:05 PM   
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Jane Fonda is a brave woman
Posted by: orwellturns on Sep 12, 2009 10:00 PM   
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In her youth Jane Fonda probably went too far in the way she protested the Vietnam War, BUT SHE WAS RIGHT to protest and continues within the same ideals. That makes her someone I respect for having had a conscience for the right reasons most of her life.

So many in our political structure do horrible things and say horrible things and all they have to do is say, "I'm sorry" and they go back to collecting our money and enjoying all the benefits of office. Jane made a youthful mistake in her approach, but not in essence, and she is condemned for life apparently.

I guess you have to be a right-wing hypocrite to get absolved.

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Oxymoron
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Sep 13, 2009 1:26 AM   
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The Israeli government has no heart and it has no soul.

FREE AMERICA

BOYCOTT ISRAEL

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A blind pig will find an acorn once in awhile...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 13, 2009 7:46 AM   
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Anyone who would crawl into bed with Ted Turner can't have all their cups in the cupboard. But, Ms. Fonda is right to boycott this festival as a protest against the continued occupation of Palestine in defiance of the UN partition which led to the formation of the state of Israel and that state's savage, racist onslaught upon the Palestinian people.

If one reads V. Jabotinsky, the souless godfather of Revisionist Zionism whose followers have ruled Israel for its entire existence, you will understand that the entire idea behind the state of Israel was to remove the Arabs from their land to establish a Zionist Israel by any means possible. Ben Gurion's writings reveal the same goal. And, if you read the ravings of Izaak Greenbaum, who famously quipped that, 'one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews of Poland,' you'll understand that the founding of Israel was never about the welfare of the Jews, but the welfare of the Zionists and the London financial interests that they serve.

Zionist attrocities against Jews include but are not limited to the murder and maiming of tens of thousands of Sephardic Jewish kids through irradiation of them in Israel-- the so-called "Ringworm Children," who were 'treated' with radiation far, far in excess of safe levels. Many died on the spot, others suffered from chronic diseases and passed on their legacy of genetic damage to their children. No one has suffered even a day of prison for this crime against humanity.

The world is right to boycott Israel. The world would be right to boycott the goods of the United States and Great Britain-- particularly their movies, music and info-tainments...their financial instruments and their fast foods...their 'news' and weapons of mass destruction.

Americans can do their part by buying local and ignoring big business products as much as possible. Send corporate America and Wall Street to the financial hell in which it belongs--these are the true backers of the warfare state and who benefit from continued tension in the Middle East that is the direct result of the Zionist refusal to come to terms with the Arabs.

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The rabbi saids
Posted by: seaoftears on Sep 13, 2009 9:54 AM   
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anti semetic I say anti asswipe

The fact is Israel does not want peace. Watch the link below. It explains the real game they are playing.Take note of every 7 years.

Israeli War Hizbullah Lebanon Iran Gaza The Zero Hour israel hidabroot

http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=-4237262319768695984&ei= KSKtSrGmBqb0qgKTxZWtAw&q=zero+hour%2Fisrael#

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The Magical President
Posted by: travelertoo on Sep 13, 2009 10:49 AM   
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The Bush Presidency should be known as the disappearing presidency. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes of interrigation DISAPPEARED. Bush was nowhere to be found when 'shotgun Dick' disclosed that Valerie Plame was a (covert) CIA agent which was classified information. When our embassy in Serbia burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Bush's Robber Baron presidency has made our money DISAPPEAR. With Voodoo Economics Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Deadeye Dick' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!! When he wanted to put all the Social Security money in the stock market, the Democrats said that Wall Street needed to be re-regulated. Bush replied by disappearing. He did manage to APPEAR just long enough to lobby for and sign into law CORPORATE WELFARE for the international banks. Goodbye Goofball Georgie, have fun in Texass.

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and the flip side is...
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Sep 13, 2009 11:57 AM   
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I wonder if Grayson would organize a protest if the festival was celebrating the country of Jordan? Originally created as the Palestinian homeland, Jordan is an apartheid country which refuses to allow Jews to become citizens or own land. Ever see any of these raving anti-Semites organize a protest march or boycott against Jordan? Nope, and you won't, because they are too busy railing against Israel to let facts get in the way.

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Progressive life?
Posted by: flaplather on Sep 13, 2009 1:11 PM   
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You are as much a Progressive as Hitler was a "Socialist."

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Need More Jane Fonda's
Posted by: JonA on Sep 13, 2009 7:04 PM   
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We need more Jane Fonda's in this world ... Yes, I agree with her completely. I am in the business world and I have discontinued doing any business with Israel...all due to their continuing act of genocide against the Palestines.

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How unfortunate...
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 13, 2009 8:05 PM   
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that Jane Fonda did not launch an 'attack on the heart and soul of Israel.' I would have found some respect for her.

Then again, perhaps not: she probably would have backed down and tried to blame someone else for her actions - again.

Time to put away the Hanoi Jane title. Half-Way Jane would be more comprehensive.

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Master of My Miniverse
Posted by: D'a on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM   
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Ok, so here is the "grip" on all this. In the early 1960s I was a "traveling student," but I was actually doing "intelligence work" for sources not-to-be-named. I traveled throughout the encircling Arab countries prior to entrance into Israel, since an Israeli stamp would have prevented entrance into those countries.Once I arrived in Israel, I made the rounds to universities in Haifa and Tel Aviv, and eventually arranged to volunteer at a kibbutz, Sede Boker, in the Negev Desert, which happened to be the retirement home the first prime minister of Israel, one Ben Gurion.
Kibbutzim are communal in nature, of course, and it was most exceptional for me to have been invited to dine with him on more than one occasion! His interest in me being, why would a non-Jewish young American "student" want to experience something so remote? Fantastic conversations took place! I was so very, very privileged to have experienced those rare historical moments!
Donantonio Fucci
Hawaii

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From the very first
Posted by: osd on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 PM   
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Israel had plans to take over the middle east. They have not tried to get along with there neighbors. We need to stop giving them money, arms and boycott there goods. Maybe then they could see there way clear to stop trying to bully/control there neighbors. Hey, there acting just like America, just kill and take what you want from others.

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Jane Fonda....................good for you!
Posted by: peridot on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 AM   
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Being contemporaneous with Ms. Fonda, I have always felt that she was acting in good conscience and doing no more than any American has the right to do as a citizen. It is easy to pen dismissive screeds but Ms. Fonda has shown a remarkable degree of plain old courage that many would do well to emulate.

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Fear of Truth makes us demonize Jane Fonda
Posted by: kettleblack on Sep 14, 2009 9:07 PM   
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It is far easier to demonize Jane Fonda than it is to admit that Viet Nam was a mistake of gigantic proportions. America sent in 500,000 troops at its peak, targeting Vietnamese civilians, calling it a war, not genocide.
And how did Viet Nam threaten America?
Fear made us attack and invade Saddam's Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11, no matter what the neocons say.
Is it surprising that there been no peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, when the chief arbitrator has displayed overt favoritism toward Israel? Israelis are afraid that too many Palestinians will return and democratically take back their country. So, the Jews continue to build illegal settlements and import foreign Jews so they can increase their numbers. Meanwhile, stall the return of Palestinians. A strategy that they have been applying for decades.
So, we blame Jane Fonda for what went wrong in Viet Nam. Now, we can point the finger at "Hanoi Jane" for derailing the "Peace Process" in the Middle East.
As Jack Nicholson said, "(America), You can't handle the truth!"
When we base our decisions on truth, rather than fear, we can come up with better solutions.

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Canada has a very powerful Isreali lobby and has undue influence
Posted by: RR#1 on Sep 21, 2009 4:50 PM   
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in determining Canadian foreign policy in the Middle East. The most progressive members of our society support Palestinian ambitions are against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet we are stuck with a Bush like minority ruining our country through the adoption of neo conservative policies. It seems the Western Elitest Democracies only pay heed to the wishes of the people when it is convenient for them.
Cheers,
RR

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Hanoi Jane fonda
Posted by: progressive-life on Sep 10, 2009 7:51 AM   
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shows her ugly head again... a traitor who should have been jailed for aiding and giving comfort to the enemy.

Who gives a shit what she says

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wrensis
Posted by: wrensis on Sep 10, 2009 9:26 AM   
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First of all get over Jane Fonda. Sheesh. It was a bad war...ask any vet

Who do you think makes the Films???? Palestinians. It is time to take a stand over the bullying of Israel

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Jane
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 12, 2009 2:14 AM   
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It's just another example of the overall Israeli strategy: take any criticism as a threat to Israel, all Jews, and the threat of another Holocaust. That way, they make themselves immune to all criticism.

Personally, I'm not really into these dramatic, symbolic kinds of protests by Hollywood divas; it just encourages them to do more grandstanding. I'd prefer a nice simple, peaceful, quiet boycott of all Israeli products by ordinary people, and hit them in their economy, where it hopefully will hurt the most. They can't stop us from not buying stuff.

Of course, they may just make up the difference by mooching more aid from the US and raping the Palestinian territories for more resources, but they were probably going to do that anyway.

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Israel is a self-inflicted wound
Posted by: weathered on Sep 12, 2009 2:20 AM   
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No friends, just resentments, acrimony, distrust and hate. Nice job and just think they've no one to blame but themselves, but blame, complain, distract, distort, deceive and deny they will.

Until Israel confronts their selfish part in their own exhausting drama of 'victimhood' and takes responsibility for it Peace will elude them in perpetuity.

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upstartgreen
Posted by: upstartgreen on Sep 12, 2009 5:56 AM   
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How ironic that Israel has recreated the Warsaw Ghetto casting the Palestinians as the victims and themselves as thegenocidal maniacs.

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You mean Jane, the noted political scientist?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Sep 12, 2009 6:14 AM   
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Sorry, folks, but I happened to have been an MIA wife for eight years, from '72-'80, so when it comes to Jane Fonda, my liberal sympathies decamp rapidly. She so abused her countrymen who were being held prisoner in Hanoi that she should have been criminally prosecuted for it.

Janey, do us all a favor, honey, and FINALLY, just sit down and shut the f**k up!

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Fonda abused POWs in Vietnam
Posted by: mjt on Sep 12, 2009 7:13 AM   
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There are a lot of what we would now call "swift boat" stories about what Fonda did in N Vietnam. But they have been discredited just like so many of the imagination fueled stories that the right likes to spread around for the gullible.

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Good Stuff!
Posted by: DavyJones on Sep 12, 2009 8:15 AM   
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Thanks, Alternet for publishing this wise and thoughtful article.

Some of the pathetic rants in the Comments Section only confirm the author's point that "creating a huge emotional cloud...blinds people to the very real possibility of rational solutions."

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Criticism of the Festival is not a call for boycott
Posted by: Petrus on Sep 12, 2009 8:16 AM   
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The criticism of the Festival's choice comes from weightier types than Jane Fonda, including Naomi Klein, who spoke in the most measured, balanced and respectful tones, and was treated to overheated, hyperbolic ad hominem attacks in response. But now that Marvin Hier has raised the issue, let me state I have always believed, since I became interested in the PLO in the 1960s when Marxists not Muslims led the resistance, in the One State solution. I believe in One secular, democratic state, with defined borders, no nuclear weapons, a constitution, religious equality and religious freedom and equal citizenship for all inhabitants of what is now Israel and the occupied territories. This would be a state that would offer the right of immigration to any Jewish person who wanted to live there, and the return of all Palestinian refugees and their descendants. According to Marvin Hier, that makes me an unspeakable Nazi. According to a rational person, that makes me just another North American who believes in rule of law, equality under the law and religious and cultural freedom for all.

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I live in Toronto: its a *very* pro-Israel market community
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 12, 2009 1:23 PM   
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there are a LOT of "invest in Israel" billboards...

a LOT of advertising for "invest in your cultural future, by protecting the Past... " & my favourite, posters all over the many metro campuses highlighting, "work out at the JCC: no contracts!"

What confuses me about the "invest in Israel" bonds... is if Israel is spending so much money on its occupation war machine, welfare for the Hassidim & so much for security...

how is someone supposed to get their investment returned?

Maybe I'm missing the point, but if there were foreign investment bonds for say, Japan or China or Ireland in the US...

it wouldn't be considered kosher...

so why are there more 'invest in Israel' advertisements in Toronto than 'invest in Canada'?

Hell, Canada has been under economic & propagandic amoral siege by the US Imperial War Machine for decades... the US financial agencies have been dumping MILLIONS into Canada to kill our healthcare commitment & undermine national identity...

so why is Israel more important to Canadians than Canada?

just one of those 'why are you investing in supporting human rights abuses? questions...
damned odd:

http://www.InvestInYourValues.ca
http://www.israelbonds.ca
http://www.obligationsdisrael.ca

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I Agree with Jane.
Posted by: yellow on Sep 12, 2009 2:57 PM   
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I think that the Israeli films and filmakers who were being featured should be seen. But it is important not to see this as a vindication of Israeli aggression in Gaza.

Tel Aviv, by the way, was not founded on Arab land; not one Arab was displaced by its founding in 1909. It was founded just north of the ancient port city of Jaffa which was almost all Arab. The first Jewish settlement in what became Tel Aviv was just north along the seashore from Jaffa called Neve Tzedek. Jews were expelled from Tel Aviv by the Turks during WWI but were allowed to return by the British after the British occupation. Riots in Jaffa in May 1921, which killed dozens of Jews, caused Jews to flee Jaffa and concentrated what few Jews that lived there to go north to Tel Aviv.

Boycotts are inappropriate in this case. Israel is observing a ceasefire and Tel Aviv is not an illegal settlement but part of Israel proper which, of course, is recognized by the whole world as having a legitimate right to exist.

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More Bull?
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 12, 2009 6:03 PM   
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You are right. Not one Palestinian was displaced by the founding of Tel-Aviv.

BUT

Those who lived in Jaffa were forced out. They went to Gaza whose current population is made up of refugees, mostly.

Even those who managed to stay in Jaffa are prohibited from renovating their old homes. Israel says they need permits (to renovate). Permits are impossible to get. So, the residents leave, slowly, but surely. Those who don't leave are evicted because the buildings are "not safe" anymore.

How convenient eh?

Tell us more about Tel-Aviv and the shining city on the hill, won't you?

By the way, was your username inspired by a certain bodily function?

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Jane Fonda is a brave woman
Posted by: orwellturns on Sep 12, 2009 10:00 PM   
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In her youth Jane Fonda probably went too far in the way she protested the Vietnam War, BUT SHE WAS RIGHT to protest and continues within the same ideals. That makes her someone I respect for having had a conscience for the right reasons most of her life.

So many in our political structure do horrible things and say horrible things and all they have to do is say, "I'm sorry" and they go back to collecting our money and enjoying all the benefits of office. Jane made a youthful mistake in her approach, but not in essence, and she is condemned for life apparently.

I guess you have to be a right-wing hypocrite to get absolved.

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Oxymoron
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Sep 13, 2009 1:26 AM   
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The Israeli government has no heart and it has no soul.

FREE AMERICA

BOYCOTT ISRAEL

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A blind pig will find an acorn once in awhile...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 13, 2009 7:46 AM   
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Anyone who would crawl into bed with Ted Turner can't have all their cups in the cupboard. But, Ms. Fonda is right to boycott this festival as a protest against the continued occupation of Palestine in defiance of the UN partition which led to the formation of the state of Israel and that state's savage, racist onslaught upon the Palestinian people.

If one reads V. Jabotinsky, the souless godfather of Revisionist Zionism whose followers have ruled Israel for its entire existence, you will understand that the entire idea behind the state of Israel was to remove the Arabs from their land to establish a Zionist Israel by any means possible. Ben Gurion's writings reveal the same goal. And, if you read the ravings of Izaak Greenbaum, who famously quipped that, 'one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews of Poland,' you'll understand that the founding of Israel was never about the welfare of the Jews, but the welfare of the Zionists and the London financial interests that they serve.

Zionist attrocities against Jews include but are not limited to the murder and maiming of tens of thousands of Sephardic Jewish kids through irradiation of them in Israel-- the so-called "Ringworm Children," who were 'treated' with radiation far, far in excess of safe levels. Many died on the spot, others suffered from chronic diseases and passed on their legacy of genetic damage to their children. No one has suffered even a day of prison for this crime against humanity.

The world is right to boycott Israel. The world would be right to boycott the goods of the United States and Great Britain-- particularly their movies, music and info-tainments...their financial instruments and their fast foods...their 'news' and weapons of mass destruction.

Americans can do their part by buying local and ignoring big business products as much as possible. Send corporate America and Wall Street to the financial hell in which it belongs--these are the true backers of the warfare state and who benefit from continued tension in the Middle East that is the direct result of the Zionist refusal to come to terms with the Arabs.

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The rabbi saids
Posted by: seaoftears on Sep 13, 2009 9:54 AM   
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anti semetic I say anti asswipe

The fact is Israel does not want peace. Watch the link below. It explains the real game they are playing.Take note of every 7 years.

Israeli War Hizbullah Lebanon Iran Gaza The Zero Hour israel hidabroot

http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=-4237262319768695984&ei= KSKtSrGmBqb0qgKTxZWtAw&q=zero+hour%2Fisrael#

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The Magical President
Posted by: travelertoo on Sep 13, 2009 10:49 AM   
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The Bush Presidency should be known as the disappearing presidency. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes of interrigation DISAPPEARED. Bush was nowhere to be found when 'shotgun Dick' disclosed that Valerie Plame was a (covert) CIA agent which was classified information. When our embassy in Serbia burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Bush's Robber Baron presidency has made our money DISAPPEAR. With Voodoo Economics Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Deadeye Dick' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!! When he wanted to put all the Social Security money in the stock market, the Democrats said that Wall Street needed to be re-regulated. Bush replied by disappearing. He did manage to APPEAR just long enough to lobby for and sign into law CORPORATE WELFARE for the international banks. Goodbye Goofball Georgie, have fun in Texass.

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and the flip side is...
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Sep 13, 2009 11:57 AM   
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I wonder if Grayson would organize a protest if the festival was celebrating the country of Jordan? Originally created as the Palestinian homeland, Jordan is an apartheid country which refuses to allow Jews to become citizens or own land. Ever see any of these raving anti-Semites organize a protest march or boycott against Jordan? Nope, and you won't, because they are too busy railing against Israel to let facts get in the way.

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Progressive life?
Posted by: flaplather on Sep 13, 2009 1:11 PM   
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You are as much a Progressive as Hitler was a "Socialist."

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Need More Jane Fonda's
Posted by: JonA on Sep 13, 2009 7:04 PM   
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We need more Jane Fonda's in this world ... Yes, I agree with her completely. I am in the business world and I have discontinued doing any business with Israel...all due to their continuing act of genocide against the Palestines.

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How unfortunate...
Posted by: photon's feather on Sep 13, 2009 8:05 PM   
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that Jane Fonda did not launch an 'attack on the heart and soul of Israel.' I would have found some respect for her.

Then again, perhaps not: she probably would have backed down and tried to blame someone else for her actions - again.

Time to put away the Hanoi Jane title. Half-Way Jane would be more comprehensive.

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Master of My Miniverse
Posted by: D'a on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM   
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Ok, so here is the "grip" on all this. In the early 1960s I was a "traveling student," but I was actually doing "intelligence work" for sources not-to-be-named. I traveled throughout the encircling Arab countries prior to entrance into Israel, since an Israeli stamp would have prevented entrance into those countries.Once I arrived in Israel, I made the rounds to universities in Haifa and Tel Aviv, and eventually arranged to volunteer at a kibbutz, Sede Boker, in the Negev Desert, which happened to be the retirement home the first prime minister of Israel, one Ben Gurion.
Kibbutzim are communal in nature, of course, and it was most exceptional for me to have been invited to dine with him on more than one occasion! His interest in me being, why would a non-Jewish young American "student" want to experience something so remote? Fantastic conversations took place! I was so very, very privileged to have experienced those rare historical moments!
Donantonio Fucci
Hawaii

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From the very first
Posted by: osd on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 PM   
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Israel had plans to take over the middle east. They have not tried to get along with there neighbors. We need to stop giving them money, arms and boycott there goods. Maybe then they could see there way clear to stop trying to bully/control there neighbors. Hey, there acting just like America, just kill and take what you want from others.

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Jane Fonda....................good for you!
Posted by: peridot on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 AM   
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Being contemporaneous with Ms. Fonda, I have always felt that she was acting in good conscience and doing no more than any American has the right to do as a citizen. It is easy to pen dismissive screeds but Ms. Fonda has shown a remarkable degree of plain old courage that many would do well to emulate.

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Fear of Truth makes us demonize Jane Fonda
Posted by: kettleblack on Sep 14, 2009 9:07 PM   
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It is far easier to demonize Jane Fonda than it is to admit that Viet Nam was a mistake of gigantic proportions. America sent in 500,000 troops at its peak, targeting Vietnamese civilians, calling it a war, not genocide.
And how did Viet Nam threaten America?
Fear made us attack and invade Saddam's Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11, no matter what the neocons say.
Is it surprising that there been no peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, when the chief arbitrator has displayed overt favoritism toward Israel? Israelis are afraid that too many Palestinians will return and democratically take back their country. So, the Jews continue to build illegal settlements and import foreign Jews so they can increase their numbers. Meanwhile, stall the return of Palestinians. A strategy that they have been applying for decades.
So, we blame Jane Fonda for what went wrong in Viet Nam. Now, we can point the finger at "Hanoi Jane" for derailing the "Peace Process" in the Middle East.
As Jack Nicholson said, "(America), You can't handle the truth!"
When we base our decisions on truth, rather than fear, we can come up with better solutions.

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Canada has a very powerful Isreali lobby and has undue influence
Posted by: RR#1 on Sep 21, 2009 4:50 PM   
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in determining Canadian foreign policy in the Middle East. The most progressive members of our society support Palestinian ambitions are against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet we are stuck with a Bush like minority ruining our country through the adoption of neo conservative policies. It seems the Western Elitest Democracies only pay heed to the wishes of the people when it is convenient for them.
Cheers,
RR

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