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Michael Moore's 'Capitalism' Flick Rips into Crimes of Wall Street

By Xan Brooks, The Guardian. Posted September 9, 2009.


Moore's latest documentary drew tumultuous applause at the Venice film festival, suggesting that the veteran tub-thumper has lost none of his power to whip up a response.
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The bankrobbers caught on camera at the start of Capitalism: A Love Story are a forlorn and feeble bunch. We see a bedraggled old man in a Hawaiian shirt, and what looks to be a 12-year-old boy wearing a balaclava. For all their flailing efforts, they've got nothing on the real crooks: the banking CEOs who recently absconded with $700bn of public money, no strings attached. That's what's known as a clean getaway.

Michael Moore's latest documentary drew tumultuous applause at the Venice film festival, suggesting that the veteran tub-thumper has lost none of his power to whip up a response. If the film finally lacks the clean, hard punch provided by the record-breaking Fahrenheit 9/11, that can only be because the crime scene is so vast and the culprits so numerous.

Undeterred, Moore jabs his finger at everyone from Reagan to Bush Jr, Hank Paulson to Alan Greenspan. He drags the viewer through a thicket of insurance scams, sub-prime bubbles and derivative trading so wilfully obfuscatory that even the experts can't explain how it works.

The big villain, of course, is capitalism itself, which the film paints as a wily old philanderer intent on lining the pockets of the few at the expense of the many. America, enthuses a leaked Citibank report, is now a modern-day "plutonomy" where the top 1% of the population control 95% of the wealth. Does Barack Obama's election spell an end to all this? The director has his doubts, pointing out that Goldman Sachs – depicted here as the principal agent of wickedness – was the largest private contributor to the Obama campaign.

Capitalism: A Love Story is by turns crude and sentimental, impassioned and invigorating. It posits a simple moral universe inhabited by good little guys and evil big ones, yet the basic thrust of its argument proves hard to resist.

Crucially, Moore (or at least his researchers) has done a fine job in ferreting out the human stories behind the headlines. None of these is so horrifyingly absurd as the tale of the privatised youth detention centre in Pennsylvania, run with the help of a crooked local judge who railroaded kids through his court for a cut of the profits. Some 6,500 children were later found to have been wrongly convicted for such minor infractions as smoking pot and "throwing a piece of steak at my mom's boyfriend". The subsequent bill for their incarceration went directly to the taxpayer.

Moore's conclusion? That capitalism is both un-Christian and un-American, an evil that deserves not regulation but elimination. No doubt he had concluded all this anyway, well in advance of making the film, but no matter. There is something energising – even moving – about the sight of him setting out to prove it all over again. Like some shambling Columbo, he amasses the evidence, takes witness statements from the victims and then starts doorstepping the guilty parties.

"I need some advice!" Moore shouts to some hastening Wall Street trader who has just left his office. "Don't make any more movies!" the man shoots back. Moore chuckles at that, but the last laugh is his. This, more than any other, is the movie they will wish he had never embarked on.


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Hilarious.
Posted by: uncertain on Sep 9, 2009 12:32 AM   
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Michael Moore sure sings a good song, and you dopes lap it up like a dog licks up its' own puke.

Michael Moore sure doesn't have a problem with capitalism when he's making millions off his movies. That fucker hasn't lost any weight in the last 20 years, so capitalism is keeping his belly quite full. I bet if you stabbed him in the neck, he'd bleed beef gravy.

He's got his own home, his own car(s), probably his own planes and/or helicopter, all thanks to capitalism.

Michael Moore's hypocrisy in decrying capitalism is just as staggering as Al Gore denouncing carbon dioxide emissions while living in a 30-room mansion that eats up more electricity than 20 single single-family dwellings.

And you people just keep eating the shit up.

I'm going to start selling chocolate covered turds. I bet you assholes will make me rich beyond my wildest dreams.

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The paradigm flip
Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 AM   
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The first commenter is very hard on Michael, but I think Moore's ability to use capitalism to destroy itself is pure genius.

It recalls the insightful communist apothegm, "A capitalist will sell you the rope you hang him with."

More importantly, the argument of Michael's movie shows you how totally the dominant paradigm has reversed itself.

Only a few years back, you had to genuflect when you talked about capitalism. This disorder affected Democrats as well as Republicans. Remember Al Gore debating Ross Perot back in the 90s? Remember how funny it was that Perot was questioning free trade?

Questioning free trade? Questioning the PERFECT SYSTEM? You must be mad. This was the dominant paradigm, repeated endlessly, over and over, for the last 30 years.

Only after the mass humiliation of the Republican Party in 2006, and again in 2008, have we been able to come out into the sunlight and point out that capitalism sucks. Nothing like a massive economic implosion to set the mind free.

I will say nothing of the irony that the only person in the world who still believes all that Merchants-are-the-superrace crap is Barack Obama...

I have no idea if we're going to be able to fix any of this. Prospects are grim with a neocon in the White House.

Paradigms can shift overnight. Not so a political system the Repubs just spent the last 30 years screwing up. But we must surely have a better shot now that the scales have fallen from our eyes.

I say we their bluff and set up real Death Panels.

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Again, pls. make a profit,
Posted by: weathered on Sep 9, 2009 3:50 AM   
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don't be a fuckin pig, but that's exactly what we've got swine dining at the trough of greed.

For some greed is a selfish choice, for others its in their DNA.

Breaking the back of middle class America so there is greater Global parity.

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» Im so glad I pissed someone off Posted by: weathered
» pls., child: Just make a POINT...never mind a profit Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
Moore BS
Posted by: progressive-life on Sep 9, 2009 4:05 AM   
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""If you too hate capitalism, just step right up and pay $20 for the ticket to join the anti capitalism movement!"""

The ultimate capitalist.. He counts on our great system to make his millions by selling bull shit to liberals - the true capitalist.

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» Moore BS, versus your BS -- Part 2 Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
why call it "capitalism"? Its origin is not in "capital" but in advantage-seeking
Posted by: Suzon on Sep 9, 2009 4:17 AM   
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Money itself is not the problem, it's merely the means.

Many people who are born rich, feel a great need to stay rich. Some people who are not born rich, are driven to become rich.

Being indifferent to the suffering of others is key to the process. So is being willing to use law for criminal purposes. Criminals lie, cheat, steal and murder. If you buy Congress or scheme in a boardroom, you are unlikely to be prosecuted for your crimes.

It;s not "capitalism", it's "criminalism".

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» Not quite Posted by: EinMD
I really was hoping!!!
Posted by: Blacktiger1 on Sep 9, 2009 4:48 AM   
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But the comments so far just prove the opposite. The old fable of the Fox and the Grapes come to mind. You speak like a bunch of bullies in the sandbox chucking sand at everybody.As the Fox said the Grapes are probably sour. Just like all of the idiots who have not the brains to look at what your shining Political Criminals have done. It is still coming down the pike to bite you in the butt, as there is another mortgage bubble ready to burst and put the rest of your neighbors out on the street and the banks will be crying for more money.

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I really was hoping!!!
Posted by: Blacktiger1 on Sep 9, 2009 4:48 AM   
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But the comments so far just prove the opposite. The old fable of the Fox and the Grapes come to mind. You speak like a bunch of bullies in the sandbox chucking sand at everybody.As the Fox said the Grapes are probably sour. Just like all of the idiots who have not the brains to look at what your shining Political Criminals have done. It is still coming down the pike to bite you in the butt, as there is another mortgage bubble ready to burst and put the rest of your neighbors out on the street and the banks will be crying for more money.

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I look forward to watching Moore's new film. :)
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Sep 9, 2009 4:51 AM   
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The only caveat I'll probably have is that he's not distinguishing between regulated and unfettered capitalism. It's the latter that's ruining society.

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Don't Miss The Real Point Moore Makes
Posted by: The_Curmudgeon on Sep 9, 2009 5:24 AM   
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Despite the hogwash spouted from the right wing trollers here, the point of Capitalism is not that it is a bad system but that greed and criminal acts taint our entire society.

Having seen a number of excerpts from the new film, I can tell you it is not that Moore is arguing to scrap capitalism. It is that the rampant avarice and "I got mine and you can go to hell" mentality at the upper echelon of so much of American business is destroying the very system and nation in which such greed was germinated.

Like Sicko and Farenheit 911 before it, Capitalism is about trying to save the nation from its worst elements. Moore is the Lincoln Steffans of our time: Disruptive, iconoclastic, loud - and correct.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Sep 9, 2009 5:26 AM   
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I am pleased that we can get to some of these crooks on the street. That bodes well for retaliation;and I hope that the fringe will stop seeing Obama as an enemy and go for the real crooks,--the bankers. They should be targeting the Wall street crowd with their hate and guns. But the threats to Obama are just garden variety racism how trite and passe.........Michael will again do well with this movie.His is the one sane voice in the dark ages that are coming.

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My advice to Mr Moore
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Sep 9, 2009 5:31 AM   
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Make more movies, a lot more. I'd like to see one a year. Take this further train young film makers like Morgan Spurlock to contune your art .Do not dispair , there are Americans that do think.

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» MOORE FOR PREZ 2012 Posted by: adlibphotographer
dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 9, 2009 6:02 AM   
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There are surely two points to make which seem so difficult for even quite poor Americans to accept:

1. Capitalism like any game must have rules. Imagine trying to play football or bridge without any rules! When I ran a family business I found that my competitors and I were up against one or two who told outright lies about their products. We, the honest ones, were losing. Threatened with legal action they mended their ways. If there hadn't been Fair Trading legislation we could have gone to the wall.

2. There are some things capitalism does better than the state or state agencies, or not-for-profit organisations. But there are also things that it can't do - or can't do as well. So many Americans won't accept that and cry "socialism" as is now happening over universal health care so badly needed in the US.

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» RE: dipconsult Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
SUE FANDL
Posted by: smf1403 on Sep 9, 2009 6:05 AM   
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PEOPLE:

WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY! WE CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR IDOLS LIKE OBAMA. OBAMA IS A CORPORATIST, WAS A CORPORATIST AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CORPORATIST.

WHEN IS MICHAEL MOORE GOING TO EXPOSE THE REAL RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR LOSS OF JOBS, WELFARE FOR THE RICH, WARS, TORTURE, NO HEALTHCARE:
THE IDOLS WE KEEP VOTING INTO OFFICE! THE BUSHES, OBAMAS, ETC. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME (EXCEPT FOR DENNIS KUCINICH).

I VOTED FOR NADER (DENNIS KUCINICH WAS FORCED OUT BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE DID NOT SUPPORT HIM).

WAKE UP AND STOP VOTING AGAINST OUR BEST INTERESTS! DO SOME LIGHT RESEARCH AND YOU WOULD KNOW THAT OBAMA VOTED WITH CORPORATIONS AND WARMONGERS WHILE IN CONGRESS! HIS CAMPAIGN WAS FUNDED BY HEDGE FUNDS (IE. BANKS).

I REPEAT: WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY.

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Yes, but?
Posted by: robbrian on Sep 9, 2009 6:17 AM   
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If his movie fails to mention and indeed highlight the Federal Reserve's role in distorting capitalism it will amount to the same tired diatribe depicted in the 1940's-1950's genere of Western movies featuring the evil small town banker.

I hope he's read "The Web of Debt", Ellen H. Brown, maybe that can become the basis for a more sophisticated sequel to his movie.

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» RE: Yes, but? Posted by: bandofotters
Capitalism is long dead
Posted by: daw13 on Sep 9, 2009 6:23 AM   
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but fascism is alive and well. The only criticism I have of Moore is that he somewhat enhances the illusion that it's about an economic system gone awry rather than about some very powerful people, in plain view, not a hidden conspiracy, manipulating the system for purposes of social control even more than for profit. Their greed is less for money than for the power to keep the masses of us poor, miserable and dependent. Connect the dots.

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Correct!
Posted by: redstarwraith on Sep 9, 2009 6:28 AM   
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Your statements echo my own thoughts and actions on this matter. I constantly am being engaged by (as well as engaging) my own close friends (who voted Democrat) while i voted for Nader (because Kucinich was shut out. I am accused of being "too idealistic", "too radical". My friends tell me that any change will only happen slowly, that we must take baby steps, etc. It gets more than a little tiresome because (and i sense a similar sense of urgency in your posting) it's like the country is shot full of holes and hemorrhaging and the best the Obama administration can do is offer ban-aids. I believe we need a radical solution. "Radical" in the original sense of the word, "to seize by the root" - Obama is simply too much a part of the very system that is broken. My wife once joked that if all these presidential candidates had to wear their corporate sponsors on their clothing, they'd look more like NASCAR drivers!

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Will Moore be charged with Hate Crimes?
Posted by: thisizrob on Sep 9, 2009 6:33 AM   
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No! I have not seen this film yet. I did see Sicko and Fahrenheit 9/11. Moore uses his ability to get information and present it in such a way that he is not showing any hate. He is hated for showing up the fraudsters but this doesn't phaze him in the least. He has a mission and he just gets on with the job.

There will be those who hate him with a vengeance and those who will love him. BUT if Moore was to begin showing the abject misuse of Christianity, my guess is that they would immediately bring down the harsh penalties of the "hate" laws.

When someone so much as points out the misuse of Christianity over the last 2000 years, there is the sudden clamber for the stake to burn people at. So called Christianity was quick to burn folks at the stake when those awful people pointed out that the "Church" had got it all wrong and that they were in fact working right against the Real Christianity. The Church thereby hung drew and quartered those it could and hounded those it could not catch. It is estimated that there were in excess of 120 million people murdered, oh yes, I forgot, they were murdered to save the world from its terrible decline.

When a Church takes a solid set of rules and turns them around to use for murder etc AND cuts the real guts out of the rulings, where else can it go but down.
I hope Moore's films go on to paint every perpetrator of evil the colour that they really are. Including False Christianity and that all those who are working hard for the benefit of the country instead of their own personal agrandisment will be shown for what they really are. And those others who want all the glory will be abased.

Good onya Mike. Go for it.

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» You Forgot "Religulous." Posted by: On the Border
Moore would Know
Posted by: throck on Sep 9, 2009 7:02 AM   
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He has made millions from lies, hate and propaganda. He resents that the bankers are richer than he is and wants a cut of the profits. It is usually far easier to cut down the other guy than build ones self up to exceed them. That is Moore's philosophy. Greed and laziness. These qualities should not be admired in him any more than in his targets.

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Michael Moore.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 9, 2009 7:36 AM   
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While Michael Moore doesn't deny his love of capitalism, what he does do, is point out the truth of what the system is doing to the "Average American"! From how the tobacco industry manipulated the system even as they were trying to get people addicted to tobacco, to the health-care industry that is making money hand over fist, and continuing to leave more and more real people without insurance!

I for one am looking forward to see what he has to say about capitalism! I realize that far too many Americans have not just been dumbed down, but don't even want to start thinking again - just listen to the pill popping, loud-mouthed, corporate paid shills - that are pushing a corporate agenda of "tax cuts" (for their bosses and themselves, but the average American should really pay closer attention to their own), and "less government"(meaning: less government protection for the working people)! I see that even as "we" have a tanking economy - not enough people are really hurting enough - cause they keep buying the lies that the prostitutes in Congress keep pedaling out! This isn't about black/white/Asian/immigration/homophobia/abortion - this is about class, and the truthful fact is the fat cats are winning! If nothing else, Michael Moore is proof of that!

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Capitalism
Posted by: sunlakedude on Sep 9, 2009 7:40 AM   
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The problem, of course, is with unregulated capitalism. Marx was correct in some of his assumptions about capitalism but his ideas were based on the then-new industrialism. A new look at capitalism will reveal that it is still basically rotten to the core but the best course of action is stringent regulation. The problem with that is that corporations have a lot of money to throw around and when they do so our reprentatives in government follow the money which makes meaningful regulation difficult to achieve.

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More Moore!!
Posted by: troubleinmind254 on Sep 9, 2009 7:42 AM   
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I love it. He back and still knows how to piss off the corporate butt-kissers. Stress all you want about Moore's bank account, while you slave away in your cubicle for your hyper-rich CEO.

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Moore wouldn't recognize capitalism if it bit him on the ass, and neither would any of you.
Posted by: rickiey on Sep 9, 2009 7:41 AM   
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I find it hilarious that Moore decries the US economic system as the evils of capitalism, when it isn't even capitalist.

We have a welfare system. We have a social security system. We have a government that bails out failing businesses. We have socialized health care system for the elderly and infirm (it's called medicare). Someone explain to me exactly how the bank bailout, the auto bailout, or the stimulous package is "capitalist"?

In a capitalist system, none of these exist. Those are ALL socialist constructs. (and no, "socialist" is NOT an synonym for evil, no matter what the GOP would like you to believe).

In the capitalist world, there is no medicare, no subsidies of any kind, no social security. Those who are not able to take care of themselves are taken care of by voluntary charity, or left to die as the "losers" in the "winners and losers" economic system that is capitalism.

Look around you, the economic system you live in is a socialist one, that includes the freedoms that the right wing says doesn't exist under socialism.

The economic system that Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh claim to be saving and Michael Moore claims he wants to destroy, is pure fiction from all three of those wackos.

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What a hoot
Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 9, 2009 9:16 AM   
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Michael Moore is certainly the antithesis of capitalism, isn't he? Multiple homes, mega-millions of dollars from his bogus "documentaries," charities he heads that pay him, his wife, and other relatives millions of dollars a year instead of sending it where it should go, private schools for his children ... yep, he is ... well, laughing his ass off at morons who think he's some kind of folk hero.

Capitalism is how he can make his silly "documentaries," and how you can be on your computers yapping about them.

Ol' P.T. Barnum was right when he said there's a sucker born every minute -- and with the acceleration of the population, I reckon that's accelerated, too. At least it seems so from reading here.

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» And yet Posted by: EinMD
A big part of the problem is the press
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Sep 9, 2009 9:27 AM   
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There are all kinds of scams happening under the radar of the main stream press. Moore has touched on some, but there's plenty more.

Much of this involves the Chinese and commodities. It turns out that the Chinese are heavily involved in espionage, but the area of currency and commodities may be the most frightening. Recently, a rumor was floated that several state owned enterprises would be allowed to default on derivatives contracts-- those "financial weapons of mass destruction" that involved AIG. Central banks around the world were sh*tting in their collective pants at this possibility. Defaults are what lead to financial panics.

The gold and silver market took a heavy spike upwards at the news, but the major target was oil. Attempts at price suppression by the Fed and others in the oil pits took a big wack.

Now how many of those reading this post actually knew about this? The press is the one to blame for much of Wall Street's criminal behavior. The light of day scatters cockroaches. They can't function when they are exposed, but the only ones exposing them are fringe sources.

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» True generally, but there's more Posted by: ReallyBearish
Mr. Moore Is Indigenous To Capitalism
Posted by: ak47blog on Sep 9, 2009 9:51 AM   
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Mr. Moore is one of many total success stories for the insider private Ministry Of Propaganda MOP. Translation your basic Zombie a high profile Shill repeating daily mantra formats about subjects that are typical DISTRACTIONS. Colluding with the parade of shameless criminal barons and elite parasite Zombies while claiming to represent the souls of the living. Consequently, all Shills principal goal is subterfuge for "American Imperial Twilight... Zombies Existing On The Living."


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It's commercialization, not capitalism
Posted by: alturn on Sep 9, 2009 11:18 AM   
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One who has consistently been on point on a myriad of matters has stated "commercialization is more dangerous than an atomic bomb." It is creeping commercialization that takes activites which should be rights within society and putting a price tag on them which is the crux of the perversion.

Once, certain things were referred to as priceless. Now the glamour is seeing how much something that truly is priceless can fetch at auction.

It is commercialization and greed, not money or any particular ism, that is the root of evil.

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Thank you, Michael Moore
Posted by: drcyflowers on Sep 9, 2009 11:45 AM   
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Thanks, Mr. Moore, for making another great movie. I've seen all of your films and they're great. Keep cranking them out!

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Moore is on the right-wing hit list
Posted by: TRC109 on Sep 9, 2009 3:09 PM   
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Don't be fooled by "uncertain", "Progressive-life", and that cowardly ilk. Moore has been on the wacko-right hit list for years. The attacks really accelerated when the Ins Business went after hit when he released Sicko. Keep slugging Michael. Piss-off Wackos!

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Something to look forward to...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 9, 2009 5:26 PM   
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I've enjoyed Mr. Moore's movies, though 'Fahrenheit 911' was a cop out, and Mr. Moore never strays too far from the hand that feeds. I think, in light of GM's recent troubles, I'll watch 'Roger and Me' again as America becomes more like Flint, Michigan, it will be instructive...rabbit keeping and all that...cutting edge stuff for our high tech future that we will be riding on the road to prosperity since the FED has announced that the recession is just about over and our jobless recovery is at hand. (Its the Iraq PR strategy all over again..."Home by Christmas!"..."By ---[fill in date]"...)

If he's knocking capitalism, it'll be interesting to see just how he does it and which interests get dumped on the most.

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You have families growing up in the streets. That doesn't happen in a socialist society.
Posted by: jparsons on Sep 9, 2009 7:50 PM   
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What you have is a few ambulances at the bottom of the cliff. And not enough.

I live in New Zealand, with some real socialist systems.
And I'll keep our "welfare abuse" since the
flipside seems to be starving, freezing beggars on the
streetcorner.

Take care of your own people. Stop killing other people.
Then it might be worth living there again.

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Truth
Posted by: newsound on Sep 9, 2009 8:19 PM   
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Today in America, anyone who speaks the truth about anything is labelled everything from socialist to hypocrite.
Michael is no different, except he tells the truth more than most people. The truth really does hurt and his films and books are well researched and no one I know of has proven him an incapable researcher, writer or documentarian.

I hope he makes billions . . . he deserves every penny.

My wish list for the next MM film:
Gay rights and gay marriage. That would be a hoot.

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REPUBLICANS REALLY DON'T MATTER. EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR IS JUST WRONG. I SUGGEST
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 9, 2009 9:06 PM   
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that you read "The Spirit Level" by Wilkiiinson & Prichett. Amazon is taking orders for Dec. 22nd. Try reading the reviews. They are out there. Use your search engines. It is fairly slow reading. Don't expect excitment other than the ideas contained within. Our young people are using the statistical sciences to create truths that our scholars have opined as truths for generations. This is why the right "hates science". They have to lie because the truth is their enemy.

Michael Moore needs to read this. He is right. He just didn't know that it could be proven.

The quality of life in the United States has dropped to 30th place in the world. This is as direct result of a foolish anarchism that we have allowed the republican party to impose on the United States. If you must choose between organization and chaos, anarchy, which do you suppose will work best?

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If you don't have this link already ...
Posted by: stellabloo on Sep 9, 2009 10:46 PM   
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... you may want to bookmark it.

At Freedocumentaries.org, you can stream interesting and provocative documentary films for free!

... including Fahrenheit 911, Bowling for Columbine and Sicko. For all you boohoo-ers crying about that exploitive bastard Moore and the high cost of a movie ticket, no doubt you will be able to watch this latest one for free too at some point. In the meantime, enjoy ;.)

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No, I haven't seen it yet but
Posted by: jeangenie on Sep 9, 2009 11:03 PM   
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Xan Brooks says that Moore creates "a simple moral universe inhabited by good little guys and evil big ones". This is no longer rhetorically effective (if it ever was), at least not for me. Too many people rightly refuse such a simplistic, broad-strokes painting of the picture. In the preview I see he's still fronting up at big bad office buildings and fighting with awkward security guards a la Roger and Me. Yawn...he's right on but he's too clumsily manipulative.

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Mr. Moore Is just One of The Legions of SHILLS
Posted by: Luxrep on Sep 10, 2009 12:54 PM   
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All shills operate for forces that are paying extravagant salary and contracts. All shills formula for success is to pretend to expose with facts, shortcomings, inequities, and criminal operations, through the use of media manipulation of books, movies, TV specials, mainstream media headlines.....

This success is obvious DISTRACTION confusion and altering the mind to function in total opposite logical directions from the propaganda subject matter.

Using Mr. Moore's past successful movie production examples, 911, George Bush Presidency, Health Care, and currently Capitalism there is not one instance of any change that has occurred. These particular subjects have become exponentially worse.

The only change that appears to result from Mr. Moore's subterfuge is isolating all opposition or questions that individuals pose. Then to categorize them as fools, bordering on the insane, idiots, creeps, nuts and so on.

How could any logical person think for one second that shills are not working in behalf of the population that they claim and exposing the criminals that they claim. Only one conclusion results from these documentaries conspiracy crazies thats what they are.

No one can dispute the success machine. Mr. Moore is extraordinarily and extremely successful. Three Card Monte Now you see it and now you don't.

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» RE: Mr. Moore Is just One of The Blahblahblah Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
MICHAEL! Name the damn Names!!!!
Posted by: ellienor on Sep 10, 2009 5:05 PM   
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You know banks and corporations are legal fictions devised for their mega-financier owners/controlling shareholders to hide behind and shield themselves from personal and civil and criminal liability. So some of the biggest are Jewish and get a king's X in the aftermath of the Holocaust. Richies like the Rothschild Group hiding behind the unspeakable atrocity of 6 million Jewish corpses is a travesty against the suffering and the dead. I'm a Jew. I want then sniffed-out by credible people with a track record of unimpeachable honesty and humanism. I want to see the world's greatest oligarchal thieves and mass murdering warmongers...whatever the hell their religion...tracked down, dragged before the World Criminal Court and tried for Crimes Against Humanity. Religion is utterly irrelevant. Money does any things, but religious observance is not among them.

In all this current "Wall Street" and banking fandango, it's all Corporations and greedy CEO's. Not a single Real Owner has be named...except by some Jew-bait Websites with their Masons and Illuminati.

If I were pre-disposed towards having a Messiah, my vote was definitely going to you! You're a priceless asset and a national treasure. Don't blow this chance in the spotlight! Please! Start naming Real Names of Real People...even if they never let you get financing for another movie for the rest of your life.

With gratitude and regards,

Ellie Norton

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Has the Fed declared war on the working class?
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Sep 10, 2009 7:22 PM   
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If the actions pursued by the Federal Reserve were being masterminded by Al-Qaeda, they would be denounced as acts of war. In World War II, such actions were deliberate acts of war. Targeting the economy for destruction by flooding the money supply with counterfeit currency is, by any measure, a threat to any nation.

So why is the Federal Reserve engaged in actions that, if committed by other nations, would warrant a military response? This is not an idle question. I'm not asking this in a satirical way. I'm quite serious about this: Why is the Fed committing acts of economic warfare against the United States of America? (The Fed, by the way, is a private company. It is not, as you've been led to believe, part of the U.S. government.)

The answer is obvious. You've probably already figured it out: The Federal Reserve is at war with America. It's an economic war, of course, not a bombs-and-bullets war. The casualties, though, are just as real: Savings accounts, retirement funds, bank accounts, jobs, businesses, pensions and much more.

By counterfeiting trillions of dollars like a Sachsenhausen operation on steroids, the Fed is carpet-bombing the U.S. economy with an unprecedented flood of fiat currency, causing the exact same economic destruction intended by the Nazis in World War II (but on a much more devastating scale). And it's doing this as part of a new economic war.

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The Real Agenda: A Massive Transfer of Wealth
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Sep 10, 2009 7:24 PM   
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We are not watching an economic rescue, friends. We are watching an economic coup. Creating and dumping trillions of dollars into the money supply is an act of war. But it's a war with a specific purpose.

What's happening right now is that the United States is being taken over by King Henry and his accomplices. More than fifty percent of the housing and nearly twenty percent of the entire U.S. economy is now controlled by one person -- Henry Paulson -- and that person answers to no one. He isn't elected, he can't be removed from office, and he's subject to no law.

King Henry controls unlimited funds. He can print any amount of money, or confiscate any amount from the taxpayers (by spending taxpayer dollars to bail out his rich friends). If the Federal Reserve is the new Third Reich, King Henry is its Hitler.

The economic war has already been lost by the People. It was lost on September 30, 2008, when Congress surrendered the U.S. economy to King Henry. The People now own nothing but paper money and ephemeral digital account numbers, all of which could be turned into worthless digits overnight by a single decision from King Henry.

In this economic bailout and the Fed's unlimited creation of new money, America has suffered the greatest act of economic warfare in our nation's history. Note carefully that it wasn't conducted by the Nazis, Saddam Hussein or Al Qaeda. It was, in fact, put into place by 172 Democrats and 91 Republicans in the House, and a similar majority in the U.S. Senate.

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HEART OF THE MATTER
Posted by: reelman on Sep 11, 2009 1:42 PM   
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Moore is a poster child for capitalism!
(million dollar houses, etc...no cred)

Moore never challenges the gov-meant corruption...so no cred...

the 400 pound clown has suckers he can fleece no matter what....liberals are not bright (as we know).

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Seems like a full spectrum of opinions, but...
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Sep 12, 2009 10:02 AM   
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Leaving aside the loonies, teabaggers, tenth-ers and the rest of the Con Wingnuts, I see once again, weaving through the exchanges, the persistent thread about the Federal Reserve.

The problem with the Fed is the same as the problem with "free-market" capitalism: No interlocking scheme of checks and balances.

The device of constitutional checks and balances was one of the supreme achievements of the Founders. It is through that device that we have once again begun the long struggle to wrest control of our government from plutocrats, oligarchs, multinational corporations, and those suffering the Owner Class's noxious mix of greed and paranoia.

It is by checks and balances that We, The People (with help from Mr. Pecora) brought the Wall Streetwalkers to justice in the 1930s, and then kept a lid on war profiteering in WWII.

The erosion of those checks and balances over the past 40 years has destroyed the parental supervision We, The People -- in the form of the Federal Government -- should have been exercising over the eternal children who gravitate to positions of power and wealth. An unhappy majority of these childish egocentrics lack the vision and compassion to act with balance or restraint. Like preschoolers everywhere, these victims of the John Galt Syndrome throw fits and tantrums when any force of balance or moderation is imposed.

But their tantrums were not the problem: They went beyond tantrums, and began meddling in our government. They imposed their own petty wants between the will of the majority (likewise the general welfare) and the government that has been set precisely those imperatives by Constitutional Amendment and by the overarching ethos of our Declaration of Independance.

Lobbyists have pimped while bought-and-paid Senaturds and Reprehensitives whored, leaving us with a massive American Chamber of Commerce Party that has a Right Wing ("Centerist" Dem-Cons and "Moderate" R-Cons) and a Bozo Wing (the RNC, its southern bloc, and outliers like Sara Palin and former Senaturd Zell Miller).

We did not "get the government we deserved": As one would expect from a group of essentially decent, honest people (which is most of us), we trusted our institutions, as we were taught to do, and progressives built our political paradigm on that trust. While we sat around trusting, our nemesis -- closet Tory clones -- set about subverting the Founders' work by insinuating their own crass motives and insatiable grasping into the daily process of government.

The Tory clones started their work while America was still in the womb. They are entrenched in every part of our society, and we will not cure ourselves of their infestation with half measures. I am not suggesting overthrow of our legitimate government -- to the contrary, I want to finally get that legitimate government -- but I am sure that strong medicine will be needed to rid America of its parasitic Wealthy-Fare Queens.

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POOR DOPES ..
Posted by: pacto on Sep 16, 2009 12:22 PM   
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the americans are sooo well trained to buy buy buy: they buy for made up holidays....valentines day what a joke,halloween...etc etc etc then when they don't have cash, they charge and pay huge interest rates, then they complain about the banks taking advantage of them.....hmmm insanity

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Looking forward to seeing it.
Posted by: janebryant on Sep 20, 2009 11:14 PM   
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I have not seen the film yet but I am looking forward to giving it a view as Michael Moore has done some thought provoking films in the past that have really opened my eyes to realities I never knew existed and I am sure this film about wall street is going to be no different.

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faj557@mi.rr.com
Posted by: fjaques on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 PM   
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It would seem to me that regardless of Mr. Moore's comments to the contrary, he is already in the ranks of the Capitalist!! Surely, he doesn't make his so-called movies without a profit???
His rantings and ravings about the "enemy" are nothing but a ploy to incite the masses who haven't got the knowledge or the guts to question his motifs!!
He is making a fortune off the Union membership, who believe that he has their interests at heart!! Baloney!! Michael Moore is out for himself and all the money he can make from his depreciation of the Capitalists - but they forget that now, he is also one of them.

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You know banks and corporations
Posted by: teon6 on Oct 2, 2009 2:01 AM   
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You know banks and corporations are legal fictions devised for their mega-financier owners/controlling shareholders to hide behind and shield themselves from personal and civil and criminal liability. So some of the biggest are Jewish and get a king's X in the aftermath of the Holocaust. Richies like the Rothschild Group hiding behind the unspeakable atrocity of 6 million Jewish corpses is a travesty against the suffering and the dead. I'm a Jew. I want then sniffed-out by credible people with a track record of unimpeachable honesty and humanism. I want to see the world's greatest oligarchal thieves and mass murdering warmongers...whatever the hell their religion...tracked down, dragged before the World Criminal Court and tried nokia 3600 slide: инструкция к мобильному телефону learjet 55 longhorn авиаракетно-космическая промышленность сша seropol5 for Crimes Against Humanity. Religion is utterly irrelevant. Money does any things, but religious observance is not among them.

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Capitalism: A Love Story
Posted by: teon6 on Oct 5, 2009 10:25 AM   
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Capitalism: A Love Story is by turns crude and sentimental, impassioned and invigorating. It posits a simple moral universe inhabited by good little guys and evil big ones, yet the basic thrust of its argument proves hard to resist.

Crucially, Moore (or at least his researchers) has done a fine job in ferreting out the human stories behind the headlines. None gossip girl gossip girl season 3 grey's anatomy subtitles the mentalist subs the mentalist subtitles seropol5 of these is so horrifyingly absurd as the tale of the privatised youth detention centre in Pennsylvania, run with the help of a crooked local judge who railroaded kids through his court for a cut of the profits. Some 6,500 children were later found to have been wrongly convicted for such minor infractions as smoking pot and "throwing a piece of steak at my mom's boyfriend". The subsequent bill for their incarceration went directly to the taxpayer.

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