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Oliver Stone's "W." -- A Catastrophe Worthy of the Worst President

By Eileen Jones, eXiled Online. Posted October 22, 2008.


You can practically feel Oilver Stone sitting behind you, breathing on the back of your neck and willing you to see the brilliance of his vision.
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You ever sit through the rough cut of your friend's independent film? Well, I have, lotsa times, God help me, so seeing Oliver Stone's W. really brought back some nauseating memories. It seems to run about eight hours and is so boring, so fatheaded, and so full of lame attempts at profundity that it's just like the rough cut of almost every terrible independent film ever made. You can practically feel the director sitting behind you while it unspools, breathing on the back of your neck and willing you to see the brilliance of his vision.


For reasons that elude me, the majority of major film critics are playing along with the director on this one, at least to the point of expressing their criticisms very, very gently. This makes me wonder if most of them were actually with Oliver Stone, at some point, in a seedy rented screening room where rough cuts are so often shown. Perhaps they felt the obligations of friendship that weigh so heavily after the screening, when the fatheaded pal asks, "So whadja think?"

One of the few critics who's apparently not a coercible friend of Oliver Stone's is Anne Hornaday of the Washingon Post who lets loose with this insightful heart's-cry:



Why this movie -- a rushed, wildly uneven, tonally jumbled caricature -- and why now? Why, when Americans and citizens around the globe are still coming to terms with the implications of so many Bush policies, would they want to pay money at the box office to see what amounts to an extended "Saturday Night Live" skit?

Why, when so many people are familiar with the vignettes that drive the episodic narrative of "W." -- the Time Bush Choked on a Pretzel, the Time Bush Quit Drinking After a Brutal Hangover, the Time Bush Invaded Iraq -- would they want to see it all reenacted again, albeit through Stone's occasionally stingingly satirical lens?

As Bush himself might say, the answers to those questions are between you and your God.

The only problem I see with Hornaday's take is that she makes the movie sound too good. Calling Stone's lens "occasionally stingingly satirical" is giving that lens way too much credit, and the strain of praising Stone is probably what caused her to overdo the adjectives and muck up her sentence so badly. Even comparing W. to an extended Saturday Night Live skit is way too generous: some of those skits are pretty funny for a minute or two, anyway, and now is exactly the dire time when we all want to watch those skits. But at least Hornaday's observation gets us closer the experience of the film itself.

W. really is a bunch of often-terrible skits spun together and splatted out onto the screen as if fired from a salad-shooter. The skits are all played in different tones, all of them going on way too long, and all of them hinging on the fascination of watching good actors impersonate George W. Bush and his circle of grotesques. There's Josh Brolin playing W. as a rube failing upwards into the White House, featuring great work on Brolin's part. But unfortunately Stone keeps undercutting the fantastic all-out black comedy he could've made out of that performance, instead sticking poor Brolin into the dumbest Oedipal melodrama I've ever seen in my life. There's Richard Dreyfuss' Dick Cheney--far too warm and personable, nothing like the Central Casting evil capitalist fatcat we've marveled at all these years. Thandie Newton's Condoleeza Rice doesn't get a lot of screen time, which probably helped her achieve this wonderfully vicious rip into Condi, a real skit masterpiece--get her over to SNL right away! And so on through Jeffrey Wright's tortured Collin Powell, Scott Glenn's checked-out Rumsefeld, Elizabeth Banks' nice-gal Laura Bush, James Cromwell's indignant WASP Poppyzzzzzz

Where was I? Oh yeah, how much this movie absolutely reeked. I only went to W. because the ads looked surprisingly good. I'd sworn off all Oliver Stone movies after Nixon. (God, what a stupid movie. Stone had Anthony Hopkins playing Nixon as such a hunched, deformed, creepy Quasimodo character he could never have gotten elected for anything but medieval bell-ringer at Notre Dame.) But this one looked different; the comedy seemed to be on purpose. There was Brolin doing this hilarious skewering of Bush, and I thought, jeez, maybe Oliver Stone has finally given up blowhard bathos and is playing to his strengths, turning his gift for the grotesque toward humor, where it belongs. But don't be fooled; the ads represent only the dedication of the film's PR team in searching through tons of idiotic footage and pulling out the few good bits for the preview. As is so often the case with movies lately, the marketers are smarter than the filmmakers.

If you decide to go see W., just be warned that, once again, Oliver Stone thinks he has some sort of profound insight to share with you. In this case, it's W.'s daddy issues. Stone thinks it's so interesting that W. spent his whole life trying to measure up to his father H.'s high standards that he's staged approximately 57 scenes of father-son confrontation. It's typical of Stone that he doesn't seem to recognize the utter silliness of these 57 scenes. He plays them straight. Clearly, to Stone, it's serious when W. finally makes good, and Poppy gives him a family heirloom--the Talismanic Cufflinks of Grandpa Preston, founder of the Bush fortune. And it's serious when W. is crushed by this paternal gesture, because Poppy only gives him a loving note along with the cufflinks, instead of, I don't know, kissing him full on the lips and saying "You complete me."

Stone doesn't seem to understand that some people have real problems. Some people with daddy issues have daddies they've never met, say, or daddies who used to beat them daily just to keep their whipping arm limber. But Stone's heart really seems to bleed for poor W., whose daddy merely gave him a chunk of the family fortune, all the contacts he could ever use, fifty chances to succeed in the professions of his choice, the family cufflinks, and several very affectionate notes. What a neurotic, withholding bastard that H. was and is!

Anyway, that's the coherent part of the narrative. The rest is pure salad-shooter. I'll warn you of just three other things before you make up your mind to go or not:

1. At the Texas barbeque where W. meets Laura, there's a giant close-up of a corn-cob on the ground that gets stepped on. You're watching the scene, waiting for the tiresomely inevitable hook-up, when suddenly there's a massive corn-on-the-cob-in-the-grass shot featuring a lovingly-detailed foot crunching over it. In its perverse weirdness it's worthy of Salvador Dali, but heaven knows what the hell it's doing there. Right after that W. and Laura are face-to-face and the rest, to our sorrow, is history. Anyone out there familiar with corncob symbology? Is it just your basic phallic terror as W.'s about to get his own corncob crunched, or is corn the State Vegetable of Texas, or what?

2. There's a crazy-cam effect you have to watch out for that keeps popping up in the film. It's when the outer circumference of the image all goes blurry; it looks sort of like in old movies when they were trying to establish the subjective experience of a nutcase having a hallucination. Sometimes there'd be a swirly pattern over everything, but blurry edges were popular too. In W. the effect doesn't relate to anything concrete like drunkenness. It just pops up now and then for the hell of it.

3. Somewhere into the film you'll experience Mid-point Panic, when you realize that Stone & Co. are determined to plod through huge swatches of W's life story, shuttling backward and forward between the Iraq War "present" and everything that happens in the past leading up to it, from Yale fraternity hazing on up. Mid-point Panic will occur at different times for different viewers: it seized me just as W. announced he intended to run for governor, and I suddenly thought, wait, we've been sitting here for three hours at least and he isn't even governor yet? O merciful God, will I ever see the light of day again?

Other critics were apparently untroubled by the film's unendurable running time. (129 minutes is what they advertise, but don't you believe it. Take the running time for Gone With the Wind and triple it. By the time you get out of the theater the election will already be over.) Here's the strangely zen Kenneth Turan of the L.A. Times displaying his imperturbable bad-film-viewing abilities:


W. is not a dispassionate biography; it is an interpretation of personality intersecting with history, and as a piece of drama it is persuasive and perfectly creditable. Its vision of an ordinary man in extraordinary circumstances, of a creature of terrible earnestness overmatched by the situation he's in, certainly gives Americans something to think about.
I'm not sure what Kenneth Turan is on when he watches movies like W., (Ketamine? Dopamine? Dramamine?) but whatever it is, I want some.

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why is this person reviewing films for this site?
Posted by: stepp on Oct 22, 2008 12:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thats all.......its not a question of good or bad because I havent seen this film yet, but as a professor of film at the national film school in Poland, I wonder at how such an unsophisticated ersatz critic gets cyber space to vent such half informed junk reviewing.

Earlier reviews cited Speilberg as a genius.....enough said.

Stone has done something rather interesting; if only as polemic. A cartoon culture perhaps needs a cartoon dissection of its political theatre.

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» Are you Two for Real Posted by: wbblack
» Come on, get over yerself! Posted by: cincinnaticus
Dubya W Dubya W Dubya W Dubya W Dubya W....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 22, 2008 2:43 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Whatever....

I probably won't be going to see this film anytime soon - reviews notwithstanding. The truth is, when I go to the movies, I want to escape reality - not relive it. Every morning, I have to wake up to the fact that this hideousm half-witted frat boy is president of the United States. That's enough for me brother.

No. I'll just wait for the competent biographers to work their wonders. The last thing I or anyone needs is to have Oliver Stone writing history for us.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Powell Redeemed

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» Obama will have bigger problems Posted by: strahlungsamt
» Obama is a puppet just like Bush Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
Finally, a Film Review with some teeth on it!
Posted by: GatoPreto on Oct 22, 2008 3:31 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stone hasn't been himself for quite some time now, so this apparent stinker doesn't come as too much of a surprise.
Thanks for this terrific review which is both extremely funny and frank, a rarity in this day and age when so many film grad students who have seen all that is stocked at their local Blockbuster think 'they' know something us older viewers didn't 'get'.
Sometimes, as this review pointed out, there simply isn't any 'there' there. Thanks for steering me clear off this failed attempt at propping up an otherwise unproppable administration. Stone needs to get his mojo back (i.e. the one he had when he made Salvador.)

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excellent review of empty film
Posted by: naomi dagen bloom on Oct 22, 2008 4:42 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
this reviewer is spot-on. all i'd add is that there was no complexity in depicting laura bush. her attraction to W. is unexplored. but so is his magnetism for a certain part of the electorate. now there's the fascinating question: who are we, the america that elected him--twice?

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a white wash of the criminals
Posted by: weathered on Oct 22, 2008 5:24 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stone hasn't the substance our courage to have revealed the overt contempt that bush and the bush handlers have for this World.

Start w/the snotty mouthpiece weasel Ari Fleischer and move up and out and see just how Ugly and far-reaching it is.


Stone gave up a table of contents to a slide show, where treatise is called for. Just another hollywood distraction.

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I watched "W" and...
Posted by: AnIndependentThinker on Oct 22, 2008 5:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
while my anticipation was high for a comedic, slap-knee film -- I was incredibly surprised at its level of seriousness. Personally, and aside from the occasional laugh, I found this film to be fairly sad. If anything, Stone depicted the brutal reality of what and who "W" was -- a drunken, narcissistic theocrat, who was always trying to supercede his "poppy's" work. Though a bit disappointed in the film's funniness (which all trailers portrayd), the characters (Rice, Rumsfeild, Rove, Bush, etc.) were odd cult-like followers of "W," with the menacing wizard behind the veil not being Bush -- but Cheney. It's still worth watching to get some kind of bizarre understanding of who dubya is.

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» Theocrat maybe, but Luciferian Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
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» RE: I watched "W" and... Posted by: constantreader
Treason Is No Laughing Matter
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 22, 2008 5:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Bush White House must be prosecuted. Otherwise, they set a precedent for any future commander in chief to subvert the Constitution and betray the people.

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» Frightening Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
If Dub-ya sees "W.", he will like it.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 22, 2008 6:00 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I saw Stone's movie. While Josh Brolin was mesmerizing, his role didn't come close to portraying Bush 53 as the evil person he is.

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» TYPO CORRECTION: "53" should be "43." Posted by: USAFVeteran1966
W-stinks: Where's the Meat?
Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 22, 2008 6:03 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Who wants to look at W's Ugly Face?
Good riddance Already!
BUSH/CHENEY are CRIMINALS.
Lying, Spying, War Mongering,
Corporate Parasitical
LOW LIFE!
I seen and heard enough BU__! SH__! already,
To last a thousand years.
Stone must be Stoned,
If he thinks he can sell this
Regurgitated Garbage.
Cover-Up!
J.F.K. is rolling over in his grave.
A big Yellow streak runs down
Hollywood's Back.
What we really need is another writers strike so that, all that we have left is
REALITY T.V.
COPS
The Media has been dead in America for a long time.
Rest in Peace.
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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Alex Jones Says the Film was Government Sell-out by Oliver Stone
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 22, 2008 6:23 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yesterday, Alex Jones spoke about the film, said he'd just seen it, went to see it because he respected Oliver Stone so much for his excellent and accurate film JFK.

Alex knows a lot of people in Hollywood who know Stone personally, and said that Oliver Stone is a total drug addict,addicted to LSD and hookers, a compromised person, and on probation for drugs, and that Stone has sold out, sold his good name, cut a deal with the NWO to stay out of prison.

Alex says the film was a deliberate attempt to paint Baby Bush as a real Christian who was really in charge, a loveable buffoon, just a bit out of control -- rather than a Skull and Bonesman Zionist, a sex addicted homosexual, sadist, controlled monster in league with global criminals and murderers.

Nothing was shown of Bush's Jeffrey-Daumer like predilection to torture, his pleasure as a young person for shoving firecrackers up the backside of frogs, one in the back and one in the front, and then lighting them.

Alex says the entire film was a whitewash of a person who is more compared to Caligula than to Barney Fife, and more perpetuating the pathetic government propaganda that 9/11 was done by 19 arabs with boxcutters directed by Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan, and that Iraq was indeed full of "weapons of mass destruction," and that the police state and trashing of the constitution is necessary to protect us from enigmatic "terrorists" who pray to Allah.

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OMG Dick Cheney isnt a Capitalist!
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 22, 2008 6:28 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Would you guys please get over your need to describe fascists and socialists as capitalists! Capitalists do not use the levers of government to move money from the public treasury into their private bank accounts! That is NOT capitalism. It was never capitalism. It never will be capitalism.

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» I did find it interesting. Posted by: oceanwaves99999
Correction to this post re the drug addiction
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 22, 2008 6:58 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Alex said Oliver Stone uses LSD, cocaine, meth and some others, that he is always tripping, that if he was truly in charge and directing a film that it would be unwatchable, as some of his films have in fact been.

He said it was unlikely that Stone even directed the film, that it was directed by "sub directors," that Stone is too out of it to make "sensitive" political decisions about how to portray Baby Bush the way it was done in this film.

It's a pure propaganda film, and according to Alternet's review here, done very heavy-handidly and clumsily for the distracting entertainment and brainwashing pleasure of the serfs in America being set up for the kill.

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this movie wood have been worth watching 4 or 5 years ago
Posted by: filhtymcnasty on Oct 22, 2008 7:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
plus with no in-depth analysis of his true crimes.
its importance or relevance is minimized since w's a lame duck now.

why not make a mccain movie NOW?
we dont need these criticisms as he's walking out the back door!
a day late.....

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Did anybody notice?
Posted by: greenman on Oct 22, 2008 7:31 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The reviewer's take on "W" could be summed up as boring and fat-headed...and I was seized with panic about half way through, fearing that I was trapped in never-ending recitation. Life imitating art? I haven't seen the movie, so I couldn't offer an opinion yet.

Greenman

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Another uneducated boob critic
Posted by: JohnJlws on Oct 22, 2008 7:31 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm also an uneducated boob critic. I did take a film study class in college, but that was a long time ago, post-talkies, but not by much. So, I offer the following critique of W from someone who simply paid the whatever and watched the movie.

The $7 tub of popcorn (no butter) was good and the $4.75 box of Milk Duds was to die for.

Other than these there isn't any reason to see this tortuous movie unless your an insomniac and need something that will almost assuredly put you to sleep. I, too, didn't get the corn cob in the grass being stepped on. I thought "is this the cob that got stuck up W's ass and accounts for his ridiculous walk?" But that was really as deep as I could get regarding this allusion to nowhere.

Condi's character was something I thought better suited to be in Dick Tracey as she was that much of a caricature. Powell's character was tragic, but I kept thinking "tragically constipated." The rest were forgetful.

I don't recall laughing one time. I'm not sure if that's because this presidency has been such a travesty so poking fun at it is not possible, or because I haven't a sense of humor, or because the movie was just that bad. I'm opting for the last one, but I could be swayed to another position.

I'd recommend waiting for this to come to HBO or out on video because then you can flip channels and watch something interesting like an infomercial.

Oh, but I'd definitely recommend going and grabbing a tub of popcorn and some Milk Duds.



Obviously, I'd give this film a big thumbs down, but I'd rather just have my money back to go spend it on something perhaps more worthwhile, something possibly from Disney.

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» RE: Another uneducated boob critic Posted by: off-the-radar 2
Who got off easy
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 22, 2008 7:31 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First, the conspiracy theorists got completely stiffed.

In Oliver Stone's reality there is no vote fraud in Ohio in 2004, none in Florida in 2000 (talk about being bailed out by daddy, he picked the deciding supreme court justices), none in Georgia in 2002 and none in West Virginia less than a week ago. And if I missed your favorite vote fraud incidents, sorry.

Nor are Israeli agents tailing Al Qaeda terrorists through the U.S. up to 9/11. Nor are members of the wealthy Bin Laden family flown out of the U.S. on 9/11/01 for their own safety. Couldn't we have seen a cameo of Bandar Bush, or of George H.W. Bush's operative and friend Osama Bin Laden, or of Rummy shaking hands with "he's our sonofabitch" Saddam Hussein?

For that matter, all but one of those signing statements where W declares himself above the law are glossed over.

The whole thrust of the Bush administration was political corruption, thoroughly looting the United States national treasury for the sake of oil companies and banks. Stone whiffed on the bailout because he didn't get early Washington corruption.

Next, Bushie's choking on a pretzel in the White House is not caused by O'Doul's fake beer. For all we know there was no pretzel at all, just a stomach pumping for alcohol poisoning. Laura Bush's current need to leave this angry drunk is not depicted.

It's ok for Stone to show a smiling Cheney. He didn't get to be a congressman in Wyoming by frowning. Yes, he's a tunnel rat underneath worthy of Survivor. That part wasn't at all developed, but the movie isn't about him. Nor is the movie about the White House's male prostitute in residence, Jeffy Lube, who got a press pass so he could come in at late hours. I always assumed he was Rove's boy toy.

It was never made clear how W actually became successful in the baseball business. He took the money the old fashioned way, from the taxpayers.

The ultimate whitewash was of Fundamentalist Christianity. The big preachers are millionaires, and every once in a while one of them gets caught with coke (Tammy Faye), a honey (Jim), hookers (Jimmy Swaggart) and gay lovers (hey, I forgot his name).

Occasional devout Christians got dragged into the Bush Administration. One recoiled at the lip service the Fundies got from this supposedly Christian president.

In the name of Christianity, Bush and buddies were pro-death penalty, he's pretty much wiped out the 600,000 Christians in Iraq, and he doesn't give a hoot about Lazarus and the rich man. Here we see a form of Christianity practiced up and down the USA, called "just give me what I personally want and then go away, God".

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fundamentally incorrect premise
Posted by: schnoggi on Oct 22, 2008 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
if this had been the most perfectly done film about this piece of shit ever, funny, dark, exquisitely eviscerating, i still wouldn't want to go anywhere near it. Even seeing a photo of this worthless triviality of a human being is enough to give me anxiety; why on earth would I ever want to spend money to sit and be reminded of his existence for two hours? oh HELL no!!

however, if he (or Rove or Cheney or any of the other treasonous scumbags) ever dies a painful death, and they get it on video, I will watch it over and over, cheering and pounding liquor until i pass out, then wake up and do it some more. Might even pay to see that on the big screen in a room full of ecstatic cheering drunks.

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» I'll drink to that Posted by: GuitarBill
Godzilla
Posted by: ClassAct on Oct 22, 2008 7:49 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is impossible to make an informed historical judgment about this administration and its president while omitting the fact that all three WTC towers were demolished under the auspices of a FEMA program called Godzilla. It would be like a film bio of Charles Manson (which would, no doubt, be sad and disturbing) without mentioning the Tate-LaBianca murders.

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» Perfect Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
The under lying theme?
Posted by: Binnsb4tyrs on Oct 22, 2008 8:35 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
On truthout.org there was an article, “The psychology of decisions” about McCain, aka McCan’t, and Barrack Obama, that in some major way should have used the movie to make the point that just like GW being psychologically flawed during his upbringing, McCain, hereinafter referred to as McCan’t, had a over dominant father just like GW.

Therefore, we Americans should be very skeptical of electing another president whose psychological under pinning (for lack of a better definition) is just as flawed if not more flawed than our last president.

This is what W., by Stone, revealed to me. Other than that, I saved my $ at the concession stand. Other wise, I would advise the readers to wait till the movie comes out through Netflix. It’s O.K., but not worth the $7.50.

My point being is that electing McCan’t would be like having an even SICKER man reigning over our government. Isn’t our country hurting bad enough now? If not elect McCan’t and watch what is left of our country get flushed down the crapper!

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» True. Posted by: Emily678
A very, very good movie
Posted by: Jodi on Oct 22, 2008 8:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This hatchet job on Stone's new movie is absurd. Stone does a wonderful job capturing the feeling of a Bush family that treats all politics as part of its own domestic family drama. The cast is amazing, particularly as understood as figures in Bush's fantastic attempt to defeat his father--the gnomic Rove as some kind of wizard helping Bush achieve is goals, the eager and subservient Rice positively reflecting on Bush despite his incompetence and insecurity, and the malignant Cheney, his evil imperial plans only occasionally surfacing.

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» RE: A very, very good movie Posted by: Cathyc
I'm not sure WHAT to make of this film, but....
Posted by: Voicedude on Oct 22, 2008 8:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....it DID have some merits. Excellent performances by Josh Brolin as W., Jeffery Wright as Colin Powell, and Richard Dreyfuss as Dick Cheney. It featured three honest and well crafted scenes: First, his 'conversion' - actually done without severely mocking those of faith nor pandering to those who have it; and back to back monologues by Powell and Cheney that'll put a chill down your spine, even if it IS stuff you're already familiar with. But like the 'review' above and other posters mentioned, it did tend to waffle around and attempted absolutely NO judgments on issues dropped casually in passing; like stealing the 2000 election or the fact that Powell could've been President. Worst of all, the script actually tried to incorporate some of the most famous 'Bush-isms' into his normal conversation like as if we all weren't already familiar with them in a different context and setting. Odd.

Stranger still, is the fact that the filmmakers actually rushed to have this out BEFORE the election, and yet I'm dumbfounded to figure out why. It neither effectively condemns nor exonerates the man, although it does show him to BE a man, full of the same fears and daily struggles we all face. It's just that THIS guy had more opportunities than any of us will get and squandered them all, and Stone more or less lets him and his cronies (save for Rummy) off the hook for actions that cannot merely be passed away with a single line of expository dialogue. That simplistic view bogs the film down with the crushing weight of 'Soulless Conviction' - the same thing that killed W's administration!

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C'mon
Posted by: bcain on Oct 22, 2008 8:51 AM   
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C'mon. You didn't really expect a film like this to actually tell the truth about this boob, and be playing at a theater down the street, did you?

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» RE: C'mon - Why not? Posted by: liz_imp
» RE: C'mon - Why not? Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» RE: C'mon - Why not? Posted by: liz_imp
» RE: C'mon - Why not? Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
» RE: C'mon - Why not? Posted by: liz_imp
Well what did you two "film school" experts think the stupid corncob "represented", then? Eh??
Posted by: liz_imp on Oct 22, 2008 9:24 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I don't know where either of you are getting off. Why would one have to be a "criticism expert" in order to write a movie review? Most of them, written in things like salon.com, are pretentious nonsense anyway. Many of the rest of the newspaper reviewers write rubbish too - but they don't, very often, have very good material to review any more - someone here has made this very good point! (Problem is, the "mainstream" reviewers work for the media-industrial-military complex - so don't dare admit it!)

I don't personally know the above movie reviewer from Adam, nor do I care very much who she is. However, I commend her frank, uncompromising style and conclusions. I don't see how her going to film school or "critics' school" - is there one?? Would make the review more insightful. Grow up, babies.

I also don't see the point of sneering at Stephen Spielberg (Empire of the Sun, The Color Purple, Schindler's List.) Isn't he rather like the 20th-century cinematic equivalent of Charles Dickens? Never hurt to be populist.

Contrast this to the efforts this time of Mr Stone (no, I haven't seen the movie, and don't intend to, until it comes out on rental, maybe.) He obviously is no Coen and should stick to what he is best at and not attempt half-assed "humour" based on pointless "Oedipal" notions which don't really get to the meat of what is wrong with Mr Bush and his regime. We don't need any half-baked lame movies about a lame duck president.

(For those on here who are further left than just liberal, BTW - the WSWS didn't like the movie either! Mind you that's not saying much as they don't like much. I always wonder why lefty organisations never seem to fund movies.... If they want something to say things more in tune with their message. Just a thought, Alternet!)

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O. Stone made the right film.
Posted by: Coleman on Oct 22, 2008 9:48 AM   
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The above review is way off the mark W. is an uneven film, but I can't imagine one better about G.W. Bush the man.

First, it dishes plenty of red meat. The Administration is portrayed as incompetent and sinister. It gets Iraq right: the implication is that they lied, plain and simple.

Second, the conspiracy theorists got disappointed regarding 9/11. All I can say is: good. Not because I'm not open to the notion that the government had something to do with it (I wouldn't put it past them), but because no amount of "Truth" getting out makes our nation any more democratic. If you need evidence that your government acts against the interest of the people, just open the fucking newspaper and start a conversation.

Third, the Oedipal scenario (which Stone always resorts to) is played straight, but it's so straight that it's parody. W. is a dark comedy, all the way. And a pretty funny one, too, if you're not too scared to laugh.

Regarding the film's ideological correctness (our primary concern, naturally), I'd say it's spot on. W.'s presidency - while a seemingly disasterous aberration - was not the result of a sinister plan, but of the normal runnings of bourgeoisie democracy. We've had buffoon presidents in the past, after all. The real tragedy of our system is not that it is the work of an evil genius, but that it is the amalgamation of a bunch of greedy, incompetent, rich aristocrats who believe everything they tell themselves (and us) about democracy, markets, and the merits of hard work in America. George W. Bush was not a cynic, but was a true believer in the system, and that is why his government has been so dangerous.

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» Dream on Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
Blame W. not the Stone's interpretation.
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 22, 2008 9:52 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I recently paid my $8 to watch what was correctly critiqued as poor film making.

However, the overall message, that W. is/was a loser made president or trying to please his Poppy is not implausible synopsis of the reality of the past eight years. Consider, too, the outpouring of love and support for the equally inept and unqualified Sarah Palin. She is a pawn for a rather sinister neo-conservative politics.

That we live in a Kakistocracy is a given. Since Ronald Reagan americans have elected the worst presidents in history: incapable, politically and self-motivated imperialist presidents who were pawns of political masters behind the scenes. Shall I list them?

I include Clinton among them. He is the Moses who lead Democrats into the land of little promise of right of center politics. Clinton was playing politics of power instead of politics for the people.

Nevermind that the movie is simplistic, farsical or even bad satire. It's an honest assessment of an incapable president. And, I for one am forgiving enough to see that about George W.. I know we're taught never to feel sorry for rich kids, but I do. And this portrait of W. is good reason why.

As for Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, that's where our discussion of evil should begin.

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Empty Film Indeed!
Posted by: Rochelle_Weber on Oct 22, 2008 10:31 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I want my money back. I paid $6.25 of the $800 a month upon which I try to subsist to see this movie because it looked as though it would skewer the usurper who calls himself President. Instead they portrayed him as an earnest but inept man trying to prove himself to his daddy while his brother got all of the attention. The only character who was truly skewered was Condoleze Rice who was downright insipid. Everyone else was far too nice and the Machiavellian plotting of this so-called Administration was completely absent. Furthermore, I fell asleep twice. I have a sleeping bag in my car--I could have napped there.

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As a civilian pundit in the movie World...
Posted by: truthteller on Oct 22, 2008 11:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...I actually told some people I was talking to about the film that I gave it an "A-". I saw the first matinee at a local suburban multiplex with last Friday. There were about 30 or so at the showing. There were quite a few laughs, a few out-right guffaws and much to remind us why we so hate Dubya and Company. I'm not a great fan of the back and forth flashback technique, and the stuff with him alone in the baseball stadium struck me as more than a little obscure.

That said, I thought that there is more than a little to offer the non-political junkie in seeing the film. Yes, it breaks little new ground to those of us who read sites like this, but for the great unwashed, it would definitely put a few things into perspective. I was surprised to find out what a couple of heavy smokers both W. and Laura were, not that that really matters to the story or their character. It is interesting that this is an aspect of their personalities that has been hidden from public view, while Obama's struggles with quitting smoking have been campaign fodder.

I kept waiting for the movie to deal with the obvious contradictions between Dubya's professed Christian conversion and the gleeful way he exercised the Death Penalty as Governor of Texas, especially in the case of Carla Faye Tucker. I think Stone missed the boat on that one. Possibly it ended up on the cutting room floor.

I didn't think the movie dragged too much. I found several of the portrayals less than convincing, especially the actor portraying Rumsfeld. I found the portrayal of Colin Powell to be spot on, as well as the actor playing George Tennant (he could also play a convincing Bill Richardson). Thandie Newton as Condi Rice was somewhat cartoonish, and Elizabeth Banks is far prettier than Laura Bush, even in her younger days, as was the actress playing Barbara Bush. Watching James Cromwell as H. W., all I could see was the guy who was on "Six Feet Under" trying to be Bush 41, but if I wasn't a fan of that show I probably could buy into the portrayal.

I guess I'd say it's worth a matinee ticket or DVD rental. I don't think it's two hours of your life you'd really regret never being able to get back, and for many it will explain a lot of what has happened in the last eight years.

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RE: Myths that hide the truth of ponerology which is biology.
Posted by: liz_imp on Oct 22, 2008 1:35 PM   
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Mm. Did you read my comment, a little below your one further above, if that makes sense, nightgaunt?

There are positive, as well as negative, aspects to human/primate biological imperatives/ evolutionary strategies.

What in the deil is "ponerology"? I'm off to look it up now. Better not be a word made up by Alex Jones!

I've read reviews of all these books about "psychopaths". (Aren't they now called "sociopaths", or trendier yet, ASPD - Anti-Social Personality Disorder??) I think these are all trendy books written by trendy ideologues to make said "experts" money. As many right-wing social theorists as any who are further to the left or centre go on about sociopaths, you know! In my view, the whole thing smacks of yet another scare and form of scapegoating. I think everything has to do with parenting and the compassionate, or otherwise, treatment/education of children. You only need to pick up a book with a white or a pale cover to read yet another harrowing tale of cruelty done to children in the 30s-70s. Orphanages & religious institutions were the worst, but not only culprits. The last book I read on that topic I just finished today and it was called "Please don't make me go", by John Fenton. I am glad all these books are coming out, despite the critical backlash, I must say. (Don't care if it's off topic.)

NOW at last the public is learning the truth about how children used to be treated - and are still by some? Funny thing is, though it was that American book by I-can't-remember-his-name which started the "trend" off, most of the (autobiographical) books one reads, except those by professional therapists, esp. about institutions, are all about British and Irish iniquities... After having read a certain "In the Belly of the Beast" and knowing what I know about US "corrections", I feel confident that a whole slew of truths is just waiting to come out, to a wider, paperback-reading, Oprah-goggling public, about the American system of "state-raising" kids no-one wants... Oh yes, and mr nightgaunt, do read Alice Miller... and look up her website. And look up stuff about "specialty schools" and thestraights.com... all featured once or twice before on Alternet... time for some more coverage, guys??

Oh, and rich kids? THEY had/have bad parents/schools too! (Dead Poets' Society, anyone?) I don't know if GB ever got his ass really badly caned - but he was spanked regularly as a child as even that Hatfield biography stated. Violence and authoritarianism begetting same.

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Don't waste your money or your time
Posted by: davincispb1 on Oct 22, 2008 3:11 PM   
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This is without a doubt one of the worst movies I've seen (and I also saw Quarantine this past weekend, 'nuf said).

Throughout the movie Stone makes Bush appear to be the victim of the actions of others in essence corroborating the lie put out by the Bush administration and the 2000 Bush campaign that he's just a good ol' boy trying to to the right thing for the Lord.

Maybe Stone was trying to make amends to the family of a probable participant in JFK's murder by making the family dunce appear less than complicit in the crimes that have ensued from the stolen election in 2000, but where are the parts of Bush's life where he eluded his duty to the Texas Air National Guard? Where is Fredo throughout the time in the White House while he was Bush's consigliere? Why do we not see the criminal-in -chief surrounded by his accomplices instead of portraying him as a naive insecure manboy trying to get Poppy's love?

I will not see another Stone movie. I am very conversant with all the source material upon which "JFK" was based and I had problems with that movie also. However, this latest bit of trash is nothing more than an attempt to avoid criticism from the mighty right-wing Wurlitzer by a decorated war veteran who should have had the balls to do better.

As far as I'm concerned, Stone should have cast Dennis Miller as Dubya. That way the two of them could have jerked each other off instead of Stone doing the rest of us up the ass.

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» Victim / Survivor Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Victim / Survivor Posted by: liz_imp
Obviously, the truth stings badly
Posted by: cherylholmes on Oct 22, 2008 3:28 PM   
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Judging from the comments from the reich on this page..

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Not all movie critics are worthy of the title
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Oct 22, 2008 5:02 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Eileen Jone's over-the-top critique of Oliver Stones "W" reflects the very agenda driven extremes following Stones epic "JFK", the only film to create a congressional Act - ARRB, that probably worked to intimidate him agaist doing such expose ducudramas revealing the criminal intents of the Establishment interests in our society. He was very nearly destroyed professionally due to such character assassination politics. That Jones thought "Nixon" was so poorly done reflects on her own questionable tastes, though a level of intimidation was revealed in that movie. Stone's work is not about entertainment so much as enlightenment about our media warped and lost history. That by itself can be very revealing and thus entertaining.

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BOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Oct 22, 2008 7:10 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I saw this movie but clearly not the vision. It didn't even make the grade to two dimensional. It was long. It made the point that Bush had a problem with his dad....yawn. What was wrong with this movie was that no one (Bush discovering a wrinkle in his forehead not withstanding) paid any price. Everyone was nice. Barbara Bush "the people of Katrina are better off then they've ever been in their lives" was sweet and understanding. Laura was a smiling Pollyanna with about as much depth as a piece of paper....Dick Cheney didn't step out of line even though Bush seemed to wrestle for power - but you had to know there was an issue to know there was an issue....I mean you didn't see Rove truly manipulate Bush. You saw Bush come to the conclusion that he was the Decider instead of being told he was by Rice and Rove...in order to get him to do what they wanted. I mean it was a terrible movie. You should wait until the DVDs have been significantly discounted before you even rent it.

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What "W" missed
Posted by: geoalter on Oct 22, 2008 9:26 PM   
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W missed several key things.

1. no mention of the fact that Bush had been doing business with and been funded by the bin laden family since his early oil days. This was done through James Bath who was the Bin Laden family investment manager and served with Bush and was expelled with Bush from the Texas Air National guard. ( as discovered by Micheal Moore in documents he found)

2. no mention that one likely reason Laura got on with Bush the drinker and sympathized was that she had killed her boyfriend by T-boning his car on a Texas road after running a stop sign at night - likely while drunk - although no drinking test was done on her that night.(also no mention that General Tommy Thompson had attended that high school with Laura Welch and likely know what happened and was rewarded with his position for keeping silent about it for years.)

3. not enough focus on George bush's often expressed belief that serving in government was a way to line your pockets rather than doing what is good for the country. (the movie assumes bush blundered rather than had a different goal than doing what was right for the country.)

4. The likely fact that Bush really never was born again. that it was a ll faked to pick up the fringe right wing evangelical vote to assemble a coalition to win. He didn't start appearing on Christian tv until he was running for president. His Christian outreach person at the white house said all the Christian stuff was a con job.

5. Assumes bush was fooled and thought there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and was just wrong. All the evidence has pointed to Bush knowing all along that their weren't weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

6. doesn't cover the huge bush family profits made when they participated in the coinvestments with the enriched Saudi and Kuwaiti oil sheiks after the Iraq invasion kept Saddam's oil of the market raising the price of oil from $20 a barrel to over $100/barrel. this was likely the real reason the bush's wanted to take out Saddam - clear simple profit for their coinvestors who repaid them by helping them buy all kinds of companies around the world by financing the Carlyle group.

(Saddam was about to get the votes to get oil sanctions lifted on Iraq finally after ten years. He had gotten commitments from enough nations and the vote would have happened at the UN within the year. This would have meant Saddam would flood the world with the second largest oil supply depressing pries and bankrupting Saudi Arabia which was already being threatened with oil at $20 a barrel.)

The real problem with portraying Bush as a buffoon is that it makes Bush laughable instead of liable. If he was an idiot then he can't be prosecuted. If he intentionally sold out the nation's interests to enrich foreign oil sheiks monopoly and was repaid by their investment of their profit in joint ventures with the bush family then he is guilty of treason.

If he was just a buffoon then he has his plausible deniability that all good sons of the CIA know is needed.

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» RE: What "W" missed Posted by: salt-of-the-earth
I never want to see Bush again
Posted by: blitzmesser on Oct 22, 2008 10:18 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and I don't want to "understand" why he has been so stupid and so arrogant and has such a dipshit wife and a mother who thinks she has a beautiful mind, when in reality she has a pea brain.
Enough of Bushturd. No more interpretations or adulation or dull satire of this horrible creature.
Why would anyone make a film about such an idiot? Who cares?
Where was Stone a few years ago when it would have mattered?
Playing it safe, is he?

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W is that Stupid
Posted by: CommonWealth on Oct 23, 2008 1:12 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
True story about W.

My late father taught at Phillips Academy Andover not Exeter thank you very much!

One day George W Bush showed up at my dad’s office. He said his father told him to take my father’s class. But W had one big question: “Is there a written term paper required for passing the course” . My father looked up from his work and said “of course you have to write a term paper” And W responded, “Well I’m not taking your course then” . I know this pales to the Nuremberg war crimes that George is guilty of, but it does show how dim the lad is and those who support him.

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Well, that'll mean we can't execute him at the new Nuremberg, then...
Posted by: liz_imp on Oct 23, 2008 1:22 AM   
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...not if he only has an IQ in double figures!

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FINAL WORD: It should fail at the box office, but be a popular rental...
Posted by: Voicedude on Oct 23, 2008 10:51 AM   
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Why, in this economy, would people want to shell out what little money they have on this whitewash? During times like these, the most popular movies are usually escapist fare, because we get enough of the harsh realities of the world by turning on the news. There's a very good reason that "Beverly Hills Chihuahua" was the number one movie of the last month or so!

Later after Obama is elected, when people have more positive hope about the future, 'W' should do well in the rentals market. Too bad the real meat was served neither sizzling nor raw, but rather with the flavor boiled right out of it.....

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The only Bush I want to see
Posted by: linecrosser on Oct 24, 2008 1:31 PM   
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The only Bush I want to see, is going to be on court TV. Yeah we could put it on PPV and erase the country economic problem at the same time.

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Movie was a whitewash, con job, disinformation.
Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Oct 25, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Just like Congress is scared to stand up to Bush, so is Hollywood. Oliver Stone sold his good name away on this whitewash movie, and it's doubtful he even directed it.

This movie ignored the Skull and Bones secret society the Bushes have been in for generations, what that means, his homosexuality and sadism. It ignored the Bushes fondness for and membership in Bohemian Grove, how Bush is a complete playboy, sleeps in every day, works out three hours a day to keep his body nice for his gay porn stars; how the ranch in Crawford is a quickly erected movie set in effect, a backdrop for his phony Texas rancher persona. Also ignores the drugs, coke snorting administration, and that most of the administration are dual citizen Jews and Mossad working for Israel first, America never.

Ignores Barbara Bush's probable parenting by none other than Aleister Crowley while her mother was spending a year with him.

The connection of the Bushes (ie Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman) with the financing of the Nazis during WWII. Also the Bushes as the drug kingpins of America, from Daddy Bush's enabling the smuggling of billions of dollars of drugs into America and pushing them, ensnaring generations of people in the drug culture so they could imprison them in the private prisons to use for cheap labor and money laundering operations.

Such a wicked family has seldom existed in history as the Bush family.

Sounds to me like this whole entire movie was a gigantic con job on the American people.

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» No!! You mean... Posted by: liz_imp
Good review. I wish I'd read it before I saw the movie.
Posted by: Emily678 on Oct 25, 2008 9:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I wouldn't have wasted my money. I saw "W" yesterday and I have to say it was a waste of money. Oliver Stone spent too much time on the actors' impersonations and not enough time on the content of the movie. It was just a bunch of reeanacted clips thrown together with no apparent theme or point of view. As the movie went on, I found myself getting more and more frustrated, trying to concentrate on this disjointed medley of stuff we already know. I was hoping Stone would give us some real insight into the backstory of these people and why they did what they did, but there was none. By the time the movie was over -and what a crappy ending it was- I was so ticked off, I almost asked for my money back. What a craphole of a movie. What a waste of time.

And, yeah, what the hell was the extreme close-up of the corn-on-the-cob being stepped on supposed to mean?!? We still don't know. Oliver Stone, please fill us in.

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I like Desmond Morris too!
Posted by: liz_imp on Oct 26, 2008 8:00 PM   
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Just thought I'd say so. Others, however, have in recent years recommended Jared Diamond more highly, it seems to me. I've yet to get around to "Guns, Germs and Steel." (I've yet to read Richard Dawkin's seminal work, "The Selfish Gene", too!)

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Oliver Stone's W: Forrest Gump goes to the White House instead of the Crawford Caligula
Posted by: yurbud on Oct 27, 2008 9:25 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oliver Stone's W. was surreally sympathetic to the Tard King.

It showed him as a dimwit, but not as a cruel, sociopathic liar and con artist.

One scene near the end was really disturbing because I remember the real life version. A reporter asks Bush if there's anything he would do differently as president after he's been in office a few years and his approval is slipping. Bush can't come up with anything.

In the film, Bush seems chastened and struggles for words as if overcome with regret, confusion, and guilt.

In real life when Bush was asked that, he looked like he couldn't even entertain the thought that he had made a mistake. If he was upset at all, it was at the questioner for being less than fawning and deferential.

That is an inexplicably inaccurate to the point of being dishonest choice on Oliver Stone's part.

Stone used many scenes and even quotes that are in the public record, but there were many equally well-established facts he could have used that would have been far more dramatic AND painted a more accurate history of the Bush presidency, such as...

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