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Sleeping Around Craigslist

By Anna Reed and Lily Penza, East Bay Express. Posted July 9, 2008.


Two middle-aged women discover that casual sex can be anything but casual.
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It takes a woman about a thousand words and a condom to get laid on Craigslist. But for a woman to be laid properly -- by a passionate lover who knows what he's doing -- well, that's a whole different ball game.

We are both middle-aged women who have spent the past 11 months sleeping around Craigslist. At an age when most women were sending their firstborns off to college, we found ourselves -- through chance and circumstance -- single, tumescent and ripe for adventures. Those adventures have spanned 10 counties and four states and involved roughly 45,000 e-mailed words, 27 phone calls, 36 face-to-face initial dates and 13 actual lovers -- and re-aggravated our carpal tunnel syndrome from all the typing.

Years before embarking on Craigslist, both of us had experienced sexual abandonment. We were both hungry for intimacy and physical touch after years of wandering in the desert. Our lives were on similar trajectories.

Lily Penza, 46, had been overweight since her teens and suffered from dangerously low self-esteem. At age 28, she moved in with the first man who looked her way. It was a virtually sexless union for 10 years before a therapist helped her come to her senses and move on. Lily never married and spent most of her life caring for an ill parent who died recently. So she lost 40 pounds and decided she would make up for lost time.

Anna Reed is a 50-year-old who, as a young woman, had been raped and pressured into sex during the so-called sexual revolution. She had read books on women's sexuality -- Barbach, Tisdale, Jong, Hite and Nin -- but each held only a small piece of the puzzle. Not one of these authors could tell her as much about sexuality as her own inner life did. Emerging from a stale and sexless marriage, she would do things her way this time around.

Lily turned to the free Craigslist personals because didn't want to spend any money getting laid. She started answering ads last July. She was open to every person and every experience -- even Republicans, as long as they could kiss. Lily told her close friends about how thoroughly she would be sleeping around, joking, "I want my vagina to have call-waiting." Now she is enjoying the adolescence she never had, dating like an oversexed high school student but armed with the wisdom and savvy of a woman in her 40s.

Anna decided to try Craigslist because she found other online dating sites too silly. Now, despite her wrinkles and middle-age spread, she "dates" a multitude of guys. But they aren't really dates. "We don't go places together; they sometimes buy lunch but just as often they don't. I'm sleeping with them. Actually, that's a euphemism; we have sex." With a lover whose bad back has him on the injured reserve list, Anna knows what to do: click on "Casual Encounters" and start the e-mail banter that almost always leads to a meeting. "I don't have a boyfriend," she says, "I have a team roster."

Lily and Anna are not our real names, but then you probably knew that was coming. Virtually everyone on Craigslist lies about something: their name, their age, their weight, their marital status, maybe even their penis or bra size. For the purposes of this story, we have changed everyone's names to protect their privacy.

The two of us met when Anna answered an ad that Lily's then-boyfriend, Scott, posted on Craigslist. Lily and Scott were seeking a third partner to join a menage a trois. Before anybody actually met face to face, Lily dumped Scott and canceled the threesome, but she became e-mail pals with her would-have-been sex partner, Anna.

Once we met, we realized we had a lot in common, and began sharing our respective experiences. Our adventures have included the hot, the not-so-hot, and some potential hook-ups that never even got off the ground. There were memorable ones, like Lily's first date, which ended at 3:30 a.m. at the Power Exchange sex club. Or the ex-con who went down on Anna for an hour straight.

There were forgettable ones too, like the alcoholic art dealer, or the guy who excused himself in the middle of sex to smoke a cigarette. And there have been multiple-partner dates, which involved average-looking East Bay residents who swing, tie up, dominate, submit, and spank.

What kind of sex did we find? Some of the lovemaking was wonderful, a lot of it was initially awkward but got better as time went on, and some of it was downright disastrous. Upending the notion of "Casual Encounters" -- as Craigslist dubs its "Just Looking to Get Laid Tonight" category -- we both discovered that casual sex is anything but.

Perhaps because we are highly verbal, our initial Craigslist encounters involved a ream of e-mail. Sometimes we just coordinated the logistics of the hookup, but equally often, we wrote and received profoundly intimate and revealing letters -- an epistolary of erotic stories.

Then there is the issue of sexual chemistry, which is arbitrary, inexplicable and largely unpredictable. Terrific e-mail connections don't guarantee a sizzling face-to-face meeting. And not everyone keeps their word. More than once, last-minute cancellations left us calling one another for support, or just drunk, horny and alone with a DSL connection.


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Posted by: Joshua Holland on Jul 9, 2008 9:43 AM   
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just a test

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» RE: test Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: test Posted by: morticia
» Sorry folks... Posted by: Knowmad
I was actually sad to read about this....
Posted by: Voicedude on Jul 9, 2008 9:48 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...not about the liberating of these women, but about the venue they chose. A friend of mine posted my entertainment business on Craigslist and I only heard from the bottom-feeders: those who thought it was the norm to ask for the maximum of services and time in exchange for one third the usual price. Then they were incensed when professionally told that wasn't going to happen. These were the clients that we try to avoid at all costs because of unreal expectations coupled with a sense of entitlement. Clearly out of the loop on how this - or anything - works. In short, these are the kind that would be rejected from even the sleaziest reality TV show! You might as well pick stray men up at Charles Bukowski's old bar. Ewwww!

Craigslist may be a good place to dump some last minute baseball tickets, but that's about all the quality you'll find there. A note to these and other ladies: there are plenty of good, honest, middle-aged men out there - even those who are open minded enough for Erica Jong's "Zipless F*@%", but you won't find us on Craigslist.

My two cents......

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» What's below "bottom-feeders"? Posted by: MartianBachelor
So...why is this on Alternet?
Posted by: izzyK on Jul 9, 2008 9:51 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So I actually read the article here. Often sex-specific articles on Alternet will talk about rape, gender power structures, the sex industry 9and abuse therein). This however is exactly what it says, it is article by two middle aged women talking about what guys they slept with and what they found interesting. Heck the article actually is interesting as they are both fairly skilled writers. Alternet, though, is a political site, what possible relevance does this have? I am not asking rhetorically.

Consider me ignorant or ill-informed or un-nuanced--I don't care. This could have been any number of publications, I just don't see why it's page one on Alternet. maybe some of you do..

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» RE: The Personal is Political Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: So...why is this on Alternet? Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Bravo Ladies!
Posted by: premarachel on Jul 9, 2008 10:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bravo ladies!

Thank you for sharing such a humorous and achingly oh so true slice of life. As a 67 year old woman who only quit dating on craig's list three years ago (I became a voluntary travelling sex slave for a very wealthy couple) I resonated with all the experiences you wrote about. Keep going, girls, believe me, life never ends until you say so, and it really does get better.

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» RE: Bravo Ladies! Posted by: claude
Changing roles
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jul 9, 2008 10:17 AM   
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I liked the article, I actually read all six pages, and I think it's a real contribution to the huge project of remodeling our gender roles.

But I have one bone to pick with Lily and Anna: their failure to run an ad themselves. True, it's just practical: why should they, when the men do?

The should because without running their own ads, they're perpetuating the "feminine" stereotype of passivity. "Hey, the guys are taking the initiative, why should we?" That's a trap.

And if they run ads, they just might turn up guys they wouldn't find otherwise, who might be just what they're looking for. That's what the men are hoping for, isn't it?

(Full disclosure: I'm long since out of the game, but my son is single, lonely, and looking at singles ads, including Craig's List. He's noticed that very few women advertise, aside from prostitutes or scams, and it pisses him off. And guess what? He doesn't have an ad on Craig's List. So if you're female and looking for somebody who isn't an aging libertine, maybe you should run your own ad.)

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» RE: Changing roles Posted by: Inanna
» RE: Changing roles Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Changing roles Posted by: Fog
Not reality for all
Posted by: kegbot1 on Jul 9, 2008 10:21 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ah yes, the bay area. Not like the rest of the America I know but I read the whole piece anyway. I found it rather sad but typical.

So did Lily dump Luke when his kidney condition became too difficult for her fantasies? The essay doesn't say.

"Does the double standard really still hold in 2008? Can a man belt-notch and think he's "sowing his wild oats," but when a woman does the same thing, she exposes herself to being called a slut? Are we all still in high school?"

The short answer is yes. An infantilized culture comes home to roost where we consider our own sexual needs to be tantamount, shuffling through lover after lover looking to fill that lingering emptiness inside that no amount of consumerism can seem to fill. And in the end, the sex you have is, well. . . the sex you have.

Although many don't believe it, we choose our hook ups the way we choose cars. It's all part of the consumerism that's apparently built into our American DNA. Online dating and these sites are basically selling themselves (as commodities) to the highest bidders. Sexual prowess, looks, money, power, stuff. How will this person reflect on my 'market value?' Will I 'settle' or can I buy/sell higher. If I just lose a few more pounds, get that plastic surgery, the new car, the new upscale address, etc. etc.

As someone back in the dating scene in his mid 40s after 20+ years of marriage, I can honestly say I'd love to go back to my high school dating days. At least back then, you understood the rules implicitly. Now everyone has a checklist that must be filled out before 'the purchase' can be consummated.

And we wonder why we are so profoundly unhappy.

"The former was the first Craigslist date who understood that the largest sex organ in Lily's body wasn't between her legs. Last summer, Luke spent weekends on his boat at the Berkeley Marina and he and Lily started dating. Luke knew how to deal with a smart woman; if he didn't touch her brain, he wouldn't be touching her body. He was funny, audacious, and he kept Lily engaged and interested, in bed and out of it."

I call bullshit. In my experience over the last year, so-called 'smart' women will dump a funny, smart and engaging man for a stud with a fat bankroll or new car faster than you can say 'where do you buy your clothes?' Intelligence counts for nothing next to looks, income and status. But then again, intelligence counts for little in American life anymore anyway.

And then again, the essay, such as it was, details the loves and lives of people in the bay area, one of the most self-absorbed and narcissistic areas of the nation. YMMV.

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» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: PirateJesus
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: PirateJesus
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: kimbari
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: PirateJesus
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: GoddessLissa
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: theshadowknows
» RE: Not reality for all Posted by: Aphroditely
Excellent article!
Posted by: ssdd on Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thank you for the laughs ("I want my vagina to have call-waiting" - LMAO!) and lessons. I'll avoid the floss next time I score with casual encounters...

Bravo!

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Bravo, ladies!
Posted by: littlemanintheboat on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I, too, believe you should have posted your own ads but still applaud
your exploits. I wish I had found you when I was young.. I was very much into older women. I had some of my best sexual experiences
with women 10 or more years older than me (it might be a little different now that I am 56 and the tables are turned..ha!)..
It was almost always a lot of fun and I learned a lot about women. If your still in the game you should give more time to playing with younger guys (imho) - I know many are intrigued and turned on by women like you but I think the woman needs to be a little more aggressive in pursuit of the younger man. Anyway, thanks for the
blast from the past... ah, the memories.. (I ain't in the nursing home yet, though! :)

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» RE: Bravo, ladies! Posted by: john mont
» RE: Bravo, ladies! Posted by: papibear
Two middle-aged women discover that casual sex can be anything but casual.
Posted by: logansafi on Jul 9, 2008 10:59 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now, can alternet publish the same pap with this single difference?

'Two middle-aged men discover that casual sex can be anything but casual'

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» Good point Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: Good point Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
I have one word...
Posted by: Quannah on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 AM   
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Eewwwwwwwww!!!!

I don't want to know that much about you!

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» RE: I have one word... Posted by: littlemanintheboat
» RE: I have one word... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: I have four... Posted by: mr. joshua
» RE: I have four... Posted by: Quannah
Fun, not badly written, where do I sign up?
Posted by: Balanchine on Jul 9, 2008 12:11 PM   
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Although I found it a bit more than coincidental that the woman who found bliss did so with a guy with his own boat....

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STDS in the elderly
Posted by: ohjeezigotaids on Jul 9, 2008 1:05 PM   
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The rates of STDS are always the highest in the elderly. Once a chick hits menopause people tend to stop using protection and diseases spread like wildfire. Plus once you get certain STDs they never go away and the numbers add up. So the fact that STD rates are the highest in people over 40 is no surprise....they're even higher in people over 70.

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» "once a chick hits menopause"... Posted by: olderworker
» RE: STDS in the elderly Posted by: Aphroditely
"crushed her bones to starlight..."
Posted by: kimbari on Jul 9, 2008 1:11 PM   
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That phrase alone was worth the 6 page read!

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» RE: "crushed her bones to starlight..." Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Fascinating read.
Posted by: Libsrule on Jul 9, 2008 3:47 PM   
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If I didn't know better I would have sworn this was written by my friend Carol. She has had the worst luck with the majority of the men she has met through various sites including Craigs.

Most of them are not looking to hookup but want a wife or mother depending on their particular swing.

She was just floored at the amount of men who decided within a few days that NOW they wanted monogamy even though all of her emails had specifically said that was not what she was looking for; that she wanted to date different men and that casual sex was her ultimate goal. She was well off, had grown children, and grandchildren, and was single.

She has been a friend of mine since 1981 and we've talked about this for years.

She did find out though, that the younger men 20's, 30's were the ones most interested in the casual aspect,and were enthusiastic in the sack but just hadn't learned their chops yet, plus they really hadn't gotten that far in life so experiences were limited financially.

She did rave about one gentleman but he really was just looking for a one weekend stand and had hoped he would want more of those weekend stands.

Personally I think this is a great article and maybe these women were ahead of the game, but nonetheless it does show Cougars do exist.

And thank the stars (or stardust) for that.

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Interesting, But...
Posted by: grumble-bum on Jul 9, 2008 3:48 PM   
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I'm in the habit of largely ignoring the sex & relationship articles on Alternet because they're so often self-righteous, smug, fearful, or a mix thereof.

This one, I read all the way through, perhaps because I liked the overall sense of good humor & the decent writing.

One thing bugged me, though. While the tone was largely warm, it seemed like the ladies in question had rather high expectations for the men they planned to meet. In particular, for two people who admitted at the outset to having lived almost entirely sex-free lives, I found their criticism of their varied partners' abilities, both socially & in bed to be rather strange. I'm not implying that they didn't know what felt good & what didn't; obviously an individual can determine that for his or herself, regardless of how much experience they have. What I found odd was that neither of them expressed any real doubt about their own performance, at least not in the body of the essay.

I'd be curious to hear what the aging boytoys felt about these encounters. Isn't it possible that one guy was a boring date because he found his date boring, or that another couldn't perform because his partner was missing clues on how to arouse him?

I guess what I'm getting at is that, given the personal information both women revealed in the first few paragraphs, isn't it also highly likely that the men they dated had similarly complex & potentially dysfunctional sexual & relationship histories?

I'd like to think that if I was writing a similar article about my trials & triumphs with women, I would be more forthcoming with my own stumbles.

Just a thought.

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» RE: Interesting, But... Posted by: Balanchine
» RE: Interesting, But... Posted by: kegbot1
Cliched article
Posted by: Gravitas on Jul 9, 2008 4:35 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a stupid cliched article! As a middle aged woman who had met several interesting people via online, this article reads like a C- English assignment. First of all, I was offended by her stereotypes of fat women as being desperate and without dates. Where did you recycle that, a 1960s Weight Watcher's commercial? Sorry honey, but I met a firefighter, cop, film director and architect and I didn't lose an ounce. In fact, I weigh 220 and still get hit on in real life. I am 47. Maybe no one looked her way because she is insensitive to others and had low self esteem to boot. Furthermore, not all of us consider and older, heavier date to be a dissapointment.

As to the rest of the article including the details, like a previous poster said, way way more than I want to know.

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» RE: Cliched article Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: Cliched article Posted by: ArtemInox
» RE: Cliched article Posted by: claude
Hooray for Craigslist!
Posted by: cgandpg on Jul 9, 2008 5:32 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a wonderful service Craigslist provides! One can send messages to the Universe requesting any heart's desire one aspires. Done intelligently, it is possible to go beyond one's comfort zone and explore territories often left to the wildest of imaginations.

The article, while surprisingly long, felt genuine and gave an honest accounting of the experiences and experimentations that these two women encountered. Having had little sexual satisfaction in their budding youth, they seem to be making up for it big time in their middle years. I sincerely hope it turns out well for them.

Being highly autonomous, I probably would have felt quite repelled and shocked by such disclosures in the past. Just the thought of sharing the temple of my Soul with complete strangers is so utterly alien and incomprehensible to say the least, I still believe Craigslist offers alternative solutions to those who distain bars, are prehaps trapped in isolated, loveless marriages of convenience, and/or simply feel empty by themselves. Different strokes for different folks!

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This article does a good job of documenting America's precipitous cultural/moral decline
Posted by: Democratic Socialist on Jul 9, 2008 6:54 PM   
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This article only reiterated in my mind how America and much of the rest of Western world is declining rapidly on so many levels as we speak.

I'm not prudish at all about sex, but these people's shallow obsessed with "casual/anonymous sex" only shows them to be the superficial, vacuous, and ultimately empty people they are as they seek to make up for their lonely lives by seeking orgasms (which only last a few seconds) with a bunch of complete strangers. And why is AlterNet, a leading leftist/progressive website, actually promoting this garbage?

Additionally, this article is rife with anti-male rhetoric. It also promulgates a double standard...if this article was about men who were seeking all kinds of casual and anonymous sex with women these men would obviously be immediately denounced as predators and scumbags. But judging by the comments here these women are actually APPLAUDED for their predatory-brand of sexuality and their sexual/moral superficiality.

I'm glad I read this article though as it gave me even more evidence that the values and morality of this country are plummeting due to the sickening influence of the American media along with the dissolution of traditional institutions which once served to bring people together instead of drive them apart.

Devoid of any real connections between themselves and others, these women are forced to look for MORE-MORE-MORE (like any typical American/Western consumer) in order to satisfy the ever-widening hunger in their soul for deep and lasting connections. It's all very sad really, and I pity them.

The attitudes displayed in this article by these women is not entirely their fault, so my gripe is not solely with them and thus I don't fault or scold them too hard personally -- it's difficult to fight back against the gutter-culture on display in the mass-media and elsewhere, and oh-so-easy to succumb to it as these women did. That beiong said, the main reason for my comment here is that I wanted to state that the attitudes in this article reflect a deepening trend which clearly illustrates the rapid social/moral/economic decline of The West and its people.

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gotta love all the funny comments......
Posted by: premarachel on Jul 9, 2008 6:59 PM   
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Ha, ha, ha, gotta love all the funny comments.
but don't understand the sour puss's or grapes...lol (maybe from the grapes it's because a twenty year goes into a fifty year old, a lot more times than a fifty year old goes into a twenty year old.) It seemed to me the message was obvious: Being a good lover is about ..... wanting to be a good lover for your partner. ....and beyond that loving unconditionaly, none of that demanding selfishness so many think expresses "true love." Most women over forty hate being patronized, manipulated or controlled, and why on earth would we choose to be in a relationship that isn't working for us, out of sympathy????? hello! Bravo to these two women for being themselves, and boohoo if anyone can't stand the thought of liberated women making their own choices even when they don't fit other people values. We don't live to fit your values.....that was in the dark ages.

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silverslim
Posted by: silverslim on Jul 9, 2008 8:51 PM   
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I had loads of sex and multiple orgasms when I was younger and now I don't get any and don't know how or where to find good men - and based upon what I read in this article I'd be terrified to try craig's list! I had mindless sex back then and ended up feeling empty and lost - now I know better. good sex is deep and evokes powerful feelings. why would I want to share a great orgasm with some jerk? after a strong, mindblowing orgasm I want intimacy with the person in my arms, to feel safe sharing those feelings. maybe these people haven't had a real orgasm or real intimacy either.

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» RE: silverslim Posted by: silverslim
You can find a good roommate on it
Posted by: form5166 on Jul 10, 2008 9:30 AM   
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but you do have to weed through a lot of losers! Now you know what it's like to work in the hiring department of any company.

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OMG!!!!
Posted by: DesertStone on Jul 10, 2008 9:32 AM   
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OMG

The sick depravity of western society my god truly baffling. If this is liberation and civilization please keep it. To think these are the people who feel they will “civilize” the rest of the humanity. Please keep your civilization to yourselves. God forbid you people manage to impose your ideas about liberty and civilization on the rest of us.

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» RE: OMG!!!! Posted by: pomes
» RE: OMG!!!! Posted by: Greg2008
» RE: OMG!!!! Posted by: pomes
» RE: OMG!!!! Posted by: olderworker
» I know!, women rapers! Posted by: messedup
If this is the definition of "liberation"
Posted by: pomes on Jul 10, 2008 9:54 AM   
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... then I pity these people.

What a trite, meaningless existence.

Only women get this kind of celebration for their promiscuity. Which is ironic to me because the social stereotype is the opposite of that. I'm still waiting to see a guy get status and prestige for being promiscuous.

I'm waiting for the male version of Sex and the City... actually come to think of it, spare me.

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» so sorry try again Posted by: pomes
Now Don't Get Mad...
Posted by: loxias on Jul 10, 2008 1:32 PM   
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You know what I want to see? Some good old stories about how fun it is to quit work at 35 and shoot heroin for 10 years. Sure you might lose your family and health, but feeling good is all that matters. Also, I don't see nearly enough articles on how big a waste of time school is, and how antiquated the age 16 is for mandatory education. We need more workers who will accept a lower wage and be less concerned about benefits, don't we? If people were educated enough to actuate solutions, who would read political news?

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» RE: Now Don't Get Mad... Posted by: goeswithness
Unfair! I wanna play!
Posted by: Greg2008 on Jul 10, 2008 4:32 PM   
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My [childish] reaction to this article is that it's SO easy for women to find sex partners, and so much more difficult for men! No fair!
[I didn't say it's easy for women or anyone to find good-quality sex partners; but when you've gone without forever, quality can wait...]
Yes, I've tried everything...

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» RE: Unfair! I wanna play! Posted by: pomes
Why is Alternet publishing this article?
Posted by: maude21 on Jul 10, 2008 11:53 PM   
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Look at where it is in the Most Read section! LOL

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Go to Church
Posted by: truthseeker2012 on Jul 11, 2008 1:30 PM   
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Go to church and repent to Jesus Christ, The end is near!

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So, two older women are now a couple of sluts.....
Posted by: papibear on Jul 12, 2008 5:25 PM   
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.... and, what, they're telling us because they seek validation or something?

Congratulations, ladies, you're now sharing your vaginas with men you barely know from the internet, and you're telling total strangers about it on the internet. Here's your cookie. Enjoy it.

I'm surprised these women don't just walk up to single men on the street and ask them point blank if they'd like to fuck. They'd get pretty much the same results.

If these two are seeking respect, they're going about it the wrong way. I mean, sure, men like sluts, let's not deny that. Men do like sluts, especially men who can't get any that easily. Sluts are fun to have around, and are sometimes interesting people intellectually. But let's face it. A woman who sleeps around that much is about as respectable as a man who sleeps around the same amount - which is to say, not very much.

Whether male or female, if you're sleeping around that often, you're probably desperate. Which is not to say we can't sympathize with your pain of not feeling wanted, it's just, hey, be honest and admit that you're desperate and you sleep around because you're either just insane with lust for multiple sex partners or you've got some emotional problems you need to overcome, if not both.

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Nuh-uh
Posted by: Shellianne on Jul 12, 2008 10:07 PM   
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I have to say I don't get it. I don't get at all why Alternet posted this article. Why do we care? And what does this have to do with anything of relevance or importance?
Re the article itself, I have 2 comments. One is that it was really well written.
The second is that the women & their story were & are incredibly immature and shallow, among other things. They reminded me of 13 year old boys, smirking & sniggling. The only explanation I can possibly think of is that they really REALLY did miss their entire adolescence, as well as a lot of values-integration, & are now trying to experience the first, while having no clue about the second. Sorry, ladies, but that's not what its all about. All the years we struggled for gender equality were not meant to result in equal immaturity, sex objectification and superficiality. But hey. It apparently resulted in the freedom to pursue the lowest common denominator.

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I liked Supertramp
Posted by: whealeydj on Jul 13, 2008 12:44 AM   
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Maybe Breakfast in America was popular pop at the right time in my life in high school, so it invokes nostalgia for the pre Reagan, pre Aids era when stupid miliary interventionism was unthinkable and STDs were easily cured once caught. I found article interesting but was disppointed that Alternet readers want to cast stones (or pebbles anyway) at each other about sex lives; live and let live is my philosophy.

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late reading this adventure
Posted by: grkjr on Jul 13, 2008 9:50 PM   
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i think it great that you have shared your sexual travels and please do not pay attention to all those who would judge you... but then i don't think you are.. sex, money, politics.. they all run hand in hand for me and provide as much value to our being who we are as anything else. I was a little surprised to find, what i thought a progressive crowd to be so judgmental.. but what the hell, such is life. The responses certainly illustrate why we such a nutty culture when it comes to our sexuality.

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i can relate
Posted by: msallthat46 on Jul 15, 2008 2:40 PM   
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I have had the best time with my newfound sexual freedom and have found many wonderful sex partners through the internet sites...i have also found love and unexpectedly...

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What about STDs
Posted by: maude21 on Jul 15, 2008 11:20 PM   
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Despite having men use condoms, these two California moonbeams are putting themselves at risk for every known STD. Their capers strike me as the height of foolishness.

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» What about em? Posted by: messedup
Excellent
Posted by: arjay on Jul 17, 2008 9:05 AM   
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This article was the longest thing I've ever read. I was about to quit after the 1st page. However, I had to know the ending. I applaud you ladies for writing this, despite the criticism. I, too, have delved into CL, and have yet to write about my adventures. In fact, mine aren't even as numerous as yours, I feel a little jealous!

I will be linking to this in the near future.

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