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New York Times Perpetuates the Myth that George Bush Won the 2000 Election

By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted May 29, 2008.


They buried the truth about the 2000 election, and they're still burying it today.
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"In 2001 painstaking postmortems of the Florida count, one by the New York Times and another by a consortium of newspapers, concluded that Mr. Bush would have come out slightly ahead, even if all the votes counted throughout the state had been retallied." Alessandra Stanley, New York Times, May 23, 2008, in a review of the HBO television movie, "Recount"

That's not true.

The New York Times did not do its own recount. It did participate in a consortium. Here's what the consortium actually said: "If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin." Ford Fessenden and John M. Broder, New York Times, Nov. 12, 2001.

Why did Ms. Stanley make such an important and fundamental error?

It is not a trivial matter. It is a common piece of misinformation. Many, many people believe it. Now a few more do, as a result of Ms. Stanley's review. It is not a trivial matter. Because that misinformation was created by one of the most bizarre, and still completely unexplained, journalistic events in modern times.

Here's what happened.

George Bush appeared to have won Florida, and therefore the presidency.

The law in Florida was actually quite simple and direct:

ƒ(4) If the returns for any office reflect that a candidate was defeated or eliminated by one-half of a percent or less of the votes cast for such office ... the board responsible for certifying the results of the vote on such race or measure shall order a recount of the votes cast with respect to such office or measure.

That is one of the simplest and most clearly written bits of legislation I've ever seen anywhere. The Florida court thought so too and ordered a recount. Then the United States Supreme Court stepped in and shut the recounts down. Bush was left as the victor and became the president. But, presumably, the whole world wanted to know who actually did get the most votes. It would make a great and important story. But getting the truth was too time-consuming and expensive for any single news organization, so a consortium was formed. It consisted of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post and CNN. It took almost a year and cost more than a million dollars. All the news organizations had the same information: Al Gore got more legal, countable votes than George Bush. Here are the headlines:

New York Times: "STUDY OF DISPUTED FLORIDA BALLOTS FINDS JUSTICES DID NOT CAST THE DECIDING VOTE"

Wall Street Journal: "IN ELECTION REVIEW, BUSH WINS WITHOUT SUPREME COURT HELP"

Los Angeles Times: "BUSH STILL HAD VOTES TO WIN IN A RECOUNT, STUDY FINDS"

Washington Post: "FLORIDA RECOUNTS WOULD HAVE FAVORED BUSH"

CNN.com: "FLORIDA RECOUNT STUDY: BUSH STILL WINS"

St. Petersburg Times: "RECOUNT: BUSH."

If you were still interested, after the headlines, and bothered to read the stories, it didn't get much better. I read it in the New York Times. Frankly, I missed the key paragraph, until I saw it pointed out in an article by Gore Vidal. I subsequently went back and read all the stories. The Times was the worst in terms of active misdirection. They spent the first three paragraphs supporting the headline, and they explicitly stated that Bush would have won even with a statewide recount. Finally, in the fourth paragraph -- if you got that far -- was the statement quoted above:

"If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin."

There it was. A very simple statement. Al Gore got more votes in Florida than George Bush. It is also very well buried. It had arcana about chads on both sides of it. Even so, as if in a panic to make sure that nobody might think that it mattered that Al Gore got more votes than George Bush, the Times dismissed what the consortium had spent a million dollars to find out: "While these are fascinating findings, they do not represent a real-world situation. There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes." That would seem to be a fairly obvious interpretation of the law, and it is what was found when someone actually did sit down and count the votes.

The rest of the story, another four paragraphs, detailed a variety of other possible recounts, all partial recounts -- these counties, but not those counties -- that the Gore lawyers or the Bush lawyers asked for at various times. Bush would have won all of those variations; he just didn't get the most votes in Florida. Not that the all variations mattered much. The Florida court had ordered a statewide hand recount.


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Larry Beinhart is the author of "Wag the Dog," "The Librarian" and "Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin." All available at nationbooks.org. His new novel, Salvation Boulevard, will be published in September by Nation Books. Responses can be sent to beinhart@earthlink.net.

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Some Counterfactual History
Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 29, 2008 1:13 AM   
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Let's indulge in some counterfactual history. Had the Florida Supreme Court prevailed and Al Gore been permitted to take the office he had won, the world would be a very, very different--and better--place.

We surely wouldn't be in Iraq, killing 4000 of our people and a million of theirs, blowing $3 trillion in the process.

We probably wouldn't even be in Afghanistan, because Gore would have heeded the warning in his Daily Brief and put airport security and law enforcement people on high alert. The counterterrorism effort would not have been drastically reduced, as it was in Bush's first year. So 9/11 would probably be remembered by a few as the day 19 foreign nationals were arrested trying to board with box cutters, but that's all.

We wouldn't be running a huge budget deficit, and the rich would be paying their fair share of taxes. New Orleans would have gotten a lot more help a lot faster. We would probably have enacted some moderately progressive environmental legislation, such as automotive fuel efficiency standards. We wouldn't be torturing or illegally spying on people. We probably wouldn't even be in a recession, and we wouldn't be paying as much for fuel.

It still gripes me that Clarence Thomas's wife, Antonin Scalia's son and William Rehnquist's daughter were rewarded with well paid government jobs after they ruled in Bush's favor. Any ordinary judge who did something like that would have been impeached and removed. And it's still not too late, except for the late but unlamented Mr Rehnquist, to do that.

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» Same outcome! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same outcome! - WHAT 9/11? Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Same outcome! - WHAT 9/11? Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same outcome! - WHAT 9/11? Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Same outcome! - WHAT 9/11? Posted by: Libsrule
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: carbon-based
» One other point ....... Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Same outcome! Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Some Counterfactual History Posted by: the man with a dog
Well, thankfully we have electronic voting machines from China now
Posted by: blogbooks on May 29, 2008 3:13 AM   
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So nothing like that could ever happen again.

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'00 is History and grounds for Prosecution, BUT '08 is NOW
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 29, 2008 3:42 AM   
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I'm a Michigan Primary voter, and I KNOW OUR prim was RIGGED from start to ...Well possibly finish.
I have recounted this expereince numerous times but to no avail. I will Try again
First of course the intentional defunct of the date change- MI 'Leaders' KNEW what would happen - we will hold them responsible (Levin)
SEcond the Media's Mantra.."Clinton the Only Dem on the Ballot' Lie and an attempt to suppress voters. Who do you think bothered to come out in Jan to vote' Uncommitted'??? Why bother. I did only because I knew Kucinich was listed (along with Gravel too, Dodd had dropped out by then)
Third, When I went to vote, it took me a second to find 'Kucinich' ...His name was at the TOP of the Ballot, the rest in alphabetical order after that. Imentioned it to the Election staff- they too found it 'strange' since the Repub was in Alph order.
I have yet to hear of any other name listed at the top OTHER THAN CLINTON.I wrote Sec Land, who claims this is well within 'Normal' operating procedures. Funny so they spent extra money to have numerous, varied Ballots printed- WHY ?? Second having taken scantron test up through college, I KNOW these machines are Pre programmed to read answers uniformily. so did they Pay extra for each machine to be UNIQUELY preprogrammed for each district depending on the Ballot organization?WHY??Most likely they did NOT so any 'mark' for the first listed candidate was read as a Vote for the first candidate found in Alphabetical Order ....Clinton.
Also lets consider the Demographics of MI- Union courses through our Blood (Born & Bred) , We also have good number of metropolitan cities. Had Edwards and Obama been on the Ballot- Hillary would have been left in the Dust.
Also consider WHO sits on th eArmed Services Com (Con) with Hillary..Levin who Pushed for th eDate Change and had the audacity to write me regarding why it was a 'good' thing to do-BS CARL! And add Our Gov, who endorsed Hillary right out of the Gate. She can't be a Presidential Canidate- but she can get a High Ranking Position in the 'All Girl Administration'.
I DO NOT WANT ANY DELEGATES COUNTED FROM MICHIGAN- IT WAS A RIGGED SCAM TO USE US AS AN ACE IN HER POCKET!!!!
This Life long Loyal voting Dem will NEVER vote for another Dem if this Crime is allowed to continue into the convention. I Smell the STENCH of Neo CONS in BLUE!!

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» RE: 08 will not be straight Posted by: solrev
» RE: 08 will not be straight Posted by: Lauren
» RE: '00 is History ... Posted by: dale0k
Just a hint : Before you export democracy, try having it at home !
Posted by: TFYQA on May 29, 2008 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Check The NY Times beahavior half way this clip...

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY (video clip)
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They were in position to cover this crucial story from the get go, but 4 years later they were still covering up this crime against democracy.

"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both." - James Madison

The whole tragic state of affair is laid down for all to see right here...

LYNCHING BY LAPTOP (video clip)
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"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." – Plato

EXECUTIVE RESUME
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Meanwhile...

"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle

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Stand up against voter suppression now
Posted by: TFYQA on May 29, 2008 4:12 AM   
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Stand up against voter suppression now:
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Great editorials but they still tow Bush line
Posted by: ibolyap on May 29, 2008 4:26 AM   
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What is wrong with those folks at the NYT? Their archives are full of "facts" that are totally wrong and yet they haul them out again and again. They should stop already. Bush doesn't have that much time left. Stop the lies now!

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Good side - Bad side
Posted by: reinaldok on May 29, 2008 4:40 AM   
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It is obvious that we can speculate all day as to what would have happened if Gore-Lieberman had actually been installed. Would Lieberman have been the wolf in sheep's clothing? Would Lieberman and his ultra right wing pals torpedoed a Gore administration? I also believe that if Gore had become president in 2000, he would have been Roved and Swifted Boated right up until the 2004 elections. These elections then could have been won by the same Dubya-Cheney cabal and guess what we would now have a feisty, cocky Bush campaigning for reelection.
Something to think about.

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» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: jareilly
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: reinaldok
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: AlexLawyer
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: AlexLawyer
» RE: Good side - Bad side Posted by: AlexLawyer
Two Views
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 29, 2008 4:52 AM   
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There are two ways to look at this article. One is that it is an historical piece about the 2000 election, and judging from the comments this is how most people interpret it.

The other way to read this article is as an absolutely current criticism of the media. If you can't trust the NYT who can you trust? And you clearly cannot trust the NYT. Their treatment of the 2000 election recount was clearly an intentional obfuscation even though the truth of the matter was buried in the story for those who read the article very, very carefully and critically (probably less than 0.1% of readers).

A comment I've heard on television and radio programs, in discussions about the internet is that there is no fact checking, so how can you possibly trust what you read. Well, can we really trust what we hear on radio and TV or read, even in the venerable NYT? I think not.

On the other hand, is there no fact checking? Unlike the MSM, sites like Alternet and OpEdNews offer anyone the ability to comment on articles. When someone sees a factual error or obfuscation they are likely to make a comment. To me this seems a much better form of fact checking than the MSM appears to offer.

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» Agreed Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Agreed Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Two Views Posted by: bubber
Yawn
Posted by: redbird30328 on May 29, 2008 5:41 AM   
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If Gore had been able to win his home state of TN, Florida would not have mattered.

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» redbird flown the nest Posted by: JimInVT
THe NY Times covered up the violation of the Federal FISA Law...in 2004..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 29, 2008 6:18 AM   
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The NY Times kept secret the illegal vast criminal wiretapping and data mining which violated FISA in 2004 and this if revealed prior to the election rather than afterward may have altered the out come of that election and saved America hundreds of Billions and thousands and thousands of lives both American and Iraqi..

So The NY Times largely due I believe to their attending Bilderberg Group meetings is compromised corrupted and now more a part of the problem than any part of the solution..

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What Really Happened
Posted by: Last Chance on May 29, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Those among us who have read Michael Parenti's reports know what happened in Florida to the 2000 Presidential election. It was stolen by then Gov. Jeb Bush's Secretary of State Catharine Harris who farmed out the voter lists to a private computer company who stripped the lists of convicted felons, plus several thousand mostly Black voters in democratic dominated counties. The result was those several thousand voters showed up at the polls only to be told "You're not on the list."

Later, some of these people organized several petitions to place before the Senate in Washington when Al Gore was still the Vice President and, one by one, no Democratic Senator would sponsor them and, one by one, Al Gore rapped the gavel saying "The lady will suspend". "The lady will suspend." The only reason I know this happened is because Michael Moore included it in his documentary. Who remembers it?

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» RE: What Really Happened Posted by: georip
» RE: What Really Happened Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: What Really Happened Posted by: Lauren
» RE: What Really Happened Posted by: TJ-stars4peace
Hacking Democracy, SEE IT!
Posted by: gazooks on May 29, 2008 7:10 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

This 2006 HBO documentary illustrates the evolution of technology and the methodology in subverting the vote. If you haven't seen it, you've got until June 16th when it's being pulled. It is as important to this nation as any film ever made. Have you even heard of it or read a review?

Quite simply, it clearly demonstrates why and how the '08 elections will possibly be, (or are) as invalid/corrupted/manipulated as those of 2000 and '04.

If your voting on a Diebold touch screen, your vote is meaningless due to an executable program on the tallying memory card, vehemently denied by Diebold, incontrovertibly and expertly shown as fact.

It's absolutely stunning how it's been largely ignored, and criminal in official complacency.

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» RE: Hacking Democracy, SEE IT! Posted by: Last Chance
Of course this is Gore's Fault
Posted by: EncinoM on May 29, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Gore did not want a full state recount, but cherry picked certain counties.

Again as a poster already pointed out, Gore was president of the Senate, and could have opened the floor to debate regarding whether or not to accept the results.

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» RE: Of course this is Gore's Fault Posted by: Last Chance
I WILL NEVER
Posted by: bc430 on May 29, 2008 7:40 AM   
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forget the Network anchors saying, " We're calling Florida for Gore."

I will never forget Fox News calling Florida for Bush.

I will never forget the Networks one by one repeating the LIE, "We made a mistake."

I have never referred and I will never refer to Cheney/GWB as President of The United States of America.

The mind manipulators switched the subject from uncounted votes to electronic voting machines. Now elections can be stolen more effeciently.

It all turns around the day "WE THE PEOPLE" absolutely reject divide and conquer top down divisivness, take up the Declaration Of Independence and the U.S. Constitution and take over.

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» RE: I WILL NEVER Posted by: badkitty
» RE: I WILL NEVER Posted by: Lauren
The REAL reason why Bush "won" the 2000 election
Posted by: HughScott on May 29, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Simply put, George W. lied about his service in the Texas Air National Guard to beat Al Gore in Florida.

The following is Bush's REAL military history:

As shown by official USAF records made public in 2003, he quit flying F102 interceptors in April 1972, 30 months before the end of his sworn Guard duty tour. Then, two months later, in June 1972, Dub-ya grounded himself permanently by refusing to take a mandatory flight physical and went AWOL.

However, in his 1999 autobiography, A Charge to Keep,. Bush claimed he flew ANG jets in 1973, which effectively covered up his dishonorable Guard tour. Because his USAF records were still under wraps in 2000, newspaper and TV reporters did not know about Bush's real military service.

Here's the plain truth about Shrub. Had we Americans known about his AWOL Guard history in 2000, he wouldn’t be our 43rd president. The election outcome that year was too close to call. Disclosing the real facts of his military service most certainly would have caused some of the 25 million war veterans to switch their support to Al Gore, who served in Vietnam and won the Bronze Star.

Even so, despite Dub-ya’s ability to hide past transgressions, he still lost the popular election by 538,000 votes and only became commander-in-chief after winning Florida with a razor-thin margin of 537 ballots. A mere 300-vote swing would have made former Army Sergeant Gore the winner.

Of the thousands of Republican enlisted personnel in the Sunshine State, active duty and retired, how many do you suppose would have voted for Big Al after learning Shrub had shirked his sworn military duty during the Vietnam War?

Three hundred, perhaps?

More likely, 10 times that many -- the reason Bush misrepresented his ANG service in 2000 and did so again four years later. Winning obviously meant everything to him; being an honest candidate with integrity did not.

----------------------------------------------

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» RE: Israel is Also a Terrorist State Posted by: edgar_michel
Did you expect anything less?
Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 29, 2008 9:21 AM   
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The New York Times is just another cog in the controlled media of Nazi-America. The problem is they have a huge circulation and most readers can't think for themselves so the Times gets to 1984 everything they print.
Solution is easy STOP BUYING THE TIMES.
Boycott the press. All of them. Stop buying newspapers,watching TV news and magazines. You stop the beast by cutting out it's tongue. The best thing we can do for ourselves is put the media out of business by non-support. Stop the perversion of your mind. Besides the damn paper is barely good enough to wrap fish!!!
Jeffrey7 for Prez in '08

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» RE: Did you expect anything less? Posted by: carbon-based
Even the so-called mentally deficient caught the Nov. 2000 lie!
Posted by: Nightstallion on May 29, 2008 9:31 AM   
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I had an acquaintance, deceased now, who was one of the “Special” people. He was 82 years old that year. He had a officially recorded I.Q. of 63 but enough “book learning” to read simple text. I used to do volunteer work where he was one of the janitorial staff. I call him Eksy because his wife (also a special person) might get upset if I use his name.

I came in for shift change and there he was at the kitchen table reading the Local metropolitan paper. He was reading and sipping from a coffee cup. Occasionally he’d whoop and rub his scalp. I asked; Eksy what’s going on there? “Awww, nothing! A little more sipping coffee a little more scalp rubbing and “Whooooo!” “Now Eksy, something is making you holler what is going on?”

Pointing he asked: “Have you read this paper Brad?” “No Eksy, what is in there that’s bothering you?” “Well it says here that they are recounting the Ballots for that presidential election again!” “So?” “Well now Brad I am slow and all but I can count, and I only have to count things once! You mean to tell me that these people running the government have had all this time to count these votes and they still haven’t got the right number?” “ That’s what they say Eksy.” “Oh, my goodness, you know Brad I don’t think that man they put in office is the Real President!”

Just the Facts Danny, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

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Phony "president" and "VP"; ficticious cabinet
Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2008 9:58 AM   
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Google election fraud in 2000 and 2004. There are currently about 255,000 entries on the subject there. There's ample evidence (gross understatement) that those "elections" were falsified by the bushies, which makes the sorry lot of them ILLEGAL, and everything they've done since Jan 20th, 2001 also illegal. They should be doing life without parole for those crimes alone. Since not a goddam thing was done to stop those crimes, the rethugs will DO IT AGAIN in 2008, and NO action, legal or otherwise will be forthcoming from ANYBODY, including our clueless citizens. We've already seen the sorry result of inaction. Get ready for more of the same, as the rethugs steal yet another "election" while we, the people stand around with our thumbs up our ass.

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"IF"
Posted by: robbie.seal on May 29, 2008 10:09 AM   
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My God, get over it. It was eight years ago. If the courts had ruled... If Gore where in office... If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bounce on their butts. "IF" in one hand and crap in the other. See which one fills the fastest. He was even re-elected... Don't like it? Fine. Make sure you vote this time around.

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» RE: "IF" Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: "IF" Posted by: jareilly
» They lost Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: They lost Posted by: brock_samson
» Legitimate votes? Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: "IF" Posted by: peacefullaim
» AN don't forget... Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: "IF" Posted by: huricane
» Thousands? Posted by: robbie.seal
States' Rights
Posted by: Crazy H on May 29, 2008 10:24 AM   
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Just one more example of the Party of Hypocrisy. They make all this noise about "states' rights" but when the Supreme Court violated Florida's rights - they made not a peep.

The Supremes had *zero* right to tell Florida to stop counting. Federal law states a time limit for states to report their tallies, that's all the authority they actually had.

So, the "Justices" had only two options:

1) "Time's up - is that your final answer?"
2) Extend the deadline to allow the recount to go forward.

But of course, either of those options would have handed it to Gore.

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» RE: States' Rights Posted by: Lauren
Scalia lied and the Supreme Court decision was Bovine Scatology..with tomato sauce on it..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 29, 2008 10:38 AM   
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We also know now from the clerks that the Supreme Court now the Federalist Society Court had already decided to coronate Bush over Gore even before they had heard the arguments, and that is also the only decision by these sleaze bags in history no one is allowed to use as Precedent..which is unprecedented..Those Bastards..!

Scalia is willing to lie and claim it was the Democrats who filed in the courts first another lie which he has repeated multiple times..

Even Jeffery Tobin has pointed out this is not true, but think of all the lives lost, harm done fortune lost and squandered, because Scalia is a corrupt lying arrogant big fat gavone and gumba..!

TJ Colatrella..

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For those of you who say get over it? My safe zone is 100 meters, don't violate it!
Posted by: Nightstallion on May 29, 2008 12:10 PM   
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I am not Demon rat & I sure as fuck ain't a Republi CON. My conscience took me to Gore in the first election of this decade and to Edwards in the second election (HEY WAIT A MINUTE IT WAS KELLY&EDWARDS NOT VICE VERSA). Yeah I know dummies but Kelly is just a shill of the war machine like that fucking Punk McCain.

Don't give me any Crap about not being a good American my fucking service number was RA16843335 what was yours? I'll bet you're one of those yes men that agreed to use your SSN as an Army ID aren't ya? That is if you were in the service at all you hypocrites.

IF nothing and if your ass, that goddamned election was tampered with, there is no goddamned “if” about that. Open your mind it is time for your daily aphorism: “He who buries his head up his ass gets his eyes full of shit! I know, I been there and done that I voted for Reagan for financial and career reasons BIG MISTAKE!

After I got my head out of my ass, everything looked like shit. It took 16months to get the crap cleaned out before I was willing to admit it was my own damn fault for counting unhatched chickens. Then it took another six months to admit my hero had lied to all of us.

Moral: Learn from the mistakes of others you can’t possibly make them all yourself!

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For those of you that think Obama is pristine clean...
Posted by: democracynowiniraq on May 29, 2008 5:09 PM   
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http:// www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/ obamas.first.campaign/index.html

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Sports Section
Posted by: colek on May 29, 2008 7:34 PM   
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Anybody reading the NYT for anything more important than the sports section is wasting their time.