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Harold Bloom: 'What We Are Seeing Is the Fall of America'

By Eva Sohlman, The Wip. Posted January 15, 2008.


The long-time cultural critic warns that the war in Iraq is destroying the American empire.
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Harold Bloom, Yale literature professor and cultural critic, is one of America's most prominent and provocative intellectuals. Unabashedly, he has always spoken up for what he calls "the fight for truth and beauty" making a lot of foes in the process, but also some friends. As one of the first critical voices against the Bush administration and the war in Iraq, Bloom landed in the hot seat with the satire "MacBush" in 2004. Lately, he sparked worldwide outrage by calling Harry Potter "garbage." Speaking at his home in New Haven where he is recovering from a recent health scare, a pale and weak Bloom seems to have symbolically embodied what he calls the "poor state of the nation."

"I am 77 years old and I have never seen this country in such a bad state. It is madness. What we are seeing is the fall of the Roman Empire, only now it is the fall of America, the glory of our Empire. This war is what Parthia was to Rome.

"The horror of what is taking place in Iraq exceeds my worst fears five or six years ago (after Bush came to power). I am horrified at the disastrous mistake involved. Imagine the complete madness in trying to occupy a large Arab country in the middle of the Arab world, a culture we know precious little about, and who speaks a language only a handful of our specialists can speak, with armed forces which we have limited control of and with a large army of private soldiers .... The whole thing is a scandal ... a series of lies. I don't understand the motivation for the war, but suspect the real reason for the war, which one would suspect of a country which is a third oligarchy, a third plutocracy and a third theocracy, is that it simply is a profitable machine."

Sitting in the middle of his living room and in the brown leather armchair from which he has given most of his interviews in recent years, Bloom sighs deeply and a sad grimace spreads over his expressive face. It soon switches to anger, as he expands on the consequences of the war and, ultimately, of Bush at power: a growing national debt and a weakened dollar in tandem with a spiraling war budget, as well as America's lost credibility on the international stage due to the Iraq war and the situation in Afghanistan. Not to mention Guantanamo Bay, the use of torture and humiliation at Abu Ghraib and the CIA's rendition program.

"We have caused a monstrous mess. We don't even count killed Iraqis. God knows how many Iraqi women, children and men have been killed by our accidental shootings, which we are such experts at, or by other Iraqis. No, 'Benito Bush' (Bloom's pet name for President George Bush) deserves, if we had a functioning civil law in the world, to be condemned for crimes against humanity. Bush is ultimately responsible for this war," Bloom says pointing angrily with his index finger in the air as his dark eyes burn below a pair of thick dark eyebrows and a crown of unruly white hair.

"It is bleeding our nation, and I can't see a solution in the near future. We are obviously so deeply involved concerning blood, money and the situation on the ground that it will be very hard for us to pull out."

But Bloom has no illusions that there is any real pressure from the Democrats to pull out of Iraq at the moment.

"The truth is that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hoyer and the other Democrats who lead the Congress Party in the Senate, are far too cunning. They will talk about wanting to end the war and so on, but the truth is that they know they can't do anything about it and it suits them as they can blame the Republicans for the war in the upcoming elections. But the ugly truth is that we can't stop the war now. We are responsible for Iraq now. We have crushed it so now we own it. I have never seen this country (America) in such a bad state. But how big a percentage who actually cares, I don't know."

If the war in Iraq is the most palpable example of the decline of America under Bush's reign, Bloom cites the U.S. media as another casualty.

"'Media-ocrity' is what I call it. It is awful what kind of media we have today. Nobody dared to stand up and criticize Bush when he unlawfully went to war on Iraq. It is depressing, and shows what direction this country has taken since he came to power -- a power which did not rightfully belong to him. The media is not playing its role. The Bushites are bullies and for a long time nobody dared criticize them and just swallowed their propaganda and lies. People have become scared. In this kind of climate, nobody is interested in the critical voice. You ask about the role of the intellectual in America today and I have to say: What role? What intellectuals? There is no room for them in the simplified and dumbed down world of today's media. We used to play a role, and there are still a few left, but we are a dying breed. Nobody seems to be interested in nuance anymore."


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Eva Sohlman is a Swedish journalist and writer with credentials in print, radio and TV. She is presently Editor and Producer of "The World in Focus" ("Världen i Fokus"), a Swedish TV program which reports world news and in-depth studio interviews.

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Fight against the night
Posted by: rhbee on Jan 15, 2008 7:50 AM   
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If you are alive and kicking, then the battle goes on and on. The weak-minds that need correctness to be correct are always going to be ready like water to flood our thoughts with their inanities. What we want is to keep on thinking, the rest will take care of itself.

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» RE: Fight against the night Posted by: yantacaw
I agree, in both Sadness & Anger
Posted by: Squarehead on Jan 15, 2008 7:55 AM   
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I write from Europe, I and others opposed this Iraq adventure in 2003. The reasons I tried to argue with militarist friends, who supported the war, were in the most fundamental sense, about the dishonesty of the people (using the word loosely) in power in USA. They seemed then, and seem now the greatest bunch of CROOKS and THUGS that the American people have ever 'elected'.

I have, in the past, been an admirer of USA [Bill of Rights, Thomas Jefferson, FDR, Arsenal of Democracy in WW2, you know the score]

Now I have had the blinkers lifted. The power relationship of the US elites to the rest of the world is such that the sooner it/they collapse, the better.

The activity of US in Iraq makes into plain sight what was otherwise concealed. The sooner that PR Chine & India adopt the mantle of 'superpower' the better.

As regards the war in Iraq; yes its a mess, but you won't improve it by staying. Any US administration should RUN Out, as quickly as possible. It really cannot be any worse

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» RE: I agree, in both Sadness & Anger Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
» No More Superpowers Posted by: Artkansas
» RE: No More Superpowers Posted by: Declan
» RE: No More Superpowers Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: No More Superpowers Posted by: EncinoM
I hope...
Posted by: christee on Jan 15, 2008 8:01 AM   
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millions of people read this story. It's getting late. Thank you AlterNet.

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Cheers to the good Professor Bloom!
Posted by: gazooks on Jan 15, 2008 8:25 AM   
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If anything is evident and undeniable in this perfectly challenging existence, it is it's propensity to cycle and recycle, the micro and macro in extravagant flux.

I personally take great comfort in the certainty of uncertainty and renewal because it is ultimately creative of endless possibility, which of course also means that this may be as good as it gets.

Whether we as a race resolve our need for petty differences we can be sure that somewhere in time a race flourishes beyond our imaginings.

We can also be just as certain, if we choose to understand, that is enough.

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foolish parasites kill off their host. Bloom is a white blood cell trying his best to mop up the
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 15, 2008 8:29 AM   
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deadly virus. The world is in great need of his kind of informed indignation.

I have to believe that one day progressives will reach critical mass.

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Bloom warns that the war in Iraq is destroying the American empire.
Posted by: shinseiji on Jan 15, 2008 8:33 AM   
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And that is a Good Thing. Though it is not an "empire" being destroyed. Let's have many more wars like that. I'm sure we will.

Bloom hits the nail right on the head on the Iraq War when he "suspect(s) the real reason for the war, which one would suspect of a country which is a third oligarchy, a third plutocracy and a third theocracy, is that it simply is a profitable machine."

That's right: the Iraq war was likely the first purely capitalist war, where the profits were extracted directly from the war making process itself, and not simply indirectly through supplying the munitions or through transfer of resources such as oil, with absolutely no regard for any grand statist geopolitical "vision", with the talk of a "democratic revolution" an obviously cynical marketing ploy. And more than that, the war process itself is a "market maker", creating a synergy of "war opportunities" where none had existed before.

The US war drives for direct profit are disruptive for global capitalism. That is inevitable, as this is simply inter-state-capitalist competition in action on the geopolitical market, with the US deploying its main - and almost only - competitive advantage. Capitalism is wrecking America, America is wrecking capitalism.

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» WAR INC. Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» RE: Thank you Basenjis Posted by: channing
dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Jan 15, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Mills had it right in his books written 50 years ago--"The Power Elite" and "The Causes of World War Three".As Bloom said, wars are profitable for the power elite. They want them and are in control. The masses are powerless and without any influence, and appear to be unconcerned and gullible. .

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» RE: dick Posted by: monkeywrench
Sic transit gloria mundi
Posted by: Gungneir on Jan 15, 2008 8:59 AM   
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The above phrase is Latin, roughly translating as "Thus passes the glory of the world". Such a statement applies to both America and Bloom...though, in my humble opinion, it applies to Bloom in a less flattering light than America.

The view from down here at the bottom confirms Bloom's from the top, that this country is about to hit the skids hard. Anybody outside the reality TV bubble could tell you that, though. I, without the benefit of anything aside from heavy reading of Sun Tzu's "Art of War", Niccolo Machiavelli's "The Prince", and sheer gut instinct, came to the conclusion of what a disaster Iraq was going to be even before we invaded (which I believe would predate Bloom's critique by a full year).

I am similarly not impressed by his attacking Stephen King or J.K. Rowling. King has been quoted as saying that his work is "the literary equivalent of a Big Mac and fries" and doubts that he'll be remembered as a literary heavyweight (as he is a literary acolyte of Richard Matheson, I beg to differ myself, but that's me). Similarly, Rowling was just doing what any writer worth their salt does, pull out what's in their head and put it on the page. Like any writer who hits the big time, I doubt she had any more clue how big it was going to be than anyone else. Considering the enormous success that both of them have enjoyed, attacking them is both lazy and easy, particularly when you are one voice in a chorus of naysayers.

As for his objections about putting politics in literature, I suppose writers such as Upton Sinclair, George Orwell, and Rod Serling must offend his sensibilities for their inability to keep their dirty politics out of their writings. But I might be wrong and if I am, I am sorry in advance for saying so. But every writer puts more than a few pieces of themselves into their works and sometimes that involves politics. As Oscar Wilde noted in the opening of "Picture of Dorian Grey", "There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are either well-written or they are badly written. That is all." The same argument can easily apply for books that put out their politics.

This may be a little harsh to say to a man on the cusp of 80, but I'm going to say it anyway. In the grand scheme of literature, critics are ultimately irrelevant. They may serve a function as a resisting factor in the true literary greats getting accepted, but they're never remembered themselves. They're especially predisposed to be tossed onto the trash heap of history if they acting like the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate in trying to bring back a past that no longer has relevance to the present. Maybe the general public is not getting the best of what is out there in terms of literature; "American Idol" is proof enough that they probably don't. But your case is hindered, not helped, by slamming those works that strike a chord with the zeitgeist for not measuring up to the standards of a time long since past. Shelly detailed the grave for such folk in "Ozymandias": "Nothing beside remains. Round the decay/Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare/The lone and level sands stretch far away." Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair, indeed...

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» RE: Sic transit gloria mundi Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» Please end your racist rhetoric aka_bozo Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» RE: Sic transit gloria mundi Posted by: TheLimit
The Death of Nuance
Posted by: arieden on Jan 15, 2008 9:06 AM   
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"Nobody seems to be interested in nuance anymore."
That sentence really hit home with me. No one in our culture is interested (let alone has the attention span needed)in nuances. Our news media is especially culpable along with Hollywood. This goes hand in hand with the lack of quality.
This all combines to make us morally, culturally and intellectually bankrupt.

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» RE: The Death of Nuance Posted by: babs
» Are you kidding? Posted by: Iconoclast421
It's NOT a "fall" it has been a coup d'état!
Posted by: TarryFaster on Jan 15, 2008 10:04 AM   
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To get an overview of who and how, click here.

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» A different America? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: A different America? Posted by: TarryFaster
» RE: A different America? Posted by: TheLimit
Its not the youth who are destroying America its the Baby Boomers
Posted by: Missing Piece on Jan 15, 2008 10:15 AM   
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The ratio of progressives within the baby boomers is about 1 out of 20 conservative boomers. They worship fox news and neocons and they make up the majority of voters now and will for decades. There is no doubt they will send there grandchildren over to middle east to die in a resource war. Boomers know that with out that oil, retirement is a thing of the past. Sorry if your one of those 1 in 20 progressive boomers, but anyone who can watch fox news and find it informative but watch WTC7 go down and say, "oh ya a fire and some damage to he corner of the building made that come down in its own footprint at free fall rate with no core columbs left is obvouisly senile.

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» RE: So true... Posted by: Jasonix
» PREACH IT, my GenX Sibling! Posted by: redceres
» RE: PREACH IT, my GenX Sibling! Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: PREACH IT, my GenX Sibling! Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: PREACH IT, my GenX Sibling! Posted by: goeswithness
» RE: Did anybody change their minds? Posted by: left_libertarian
» Agreed...Baby Boomers are partly to blame Posted by: Democratic Socialist
The Iraq "war" is only a symptom
Posted by: willymack on Jan 15, 2008 10:28 AM   
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Of what may well prove to be a fatal disease. Our multiple problems include the cheapening of our educational system to the point where most of our citizens are brain-dead zombies like the ones on Jay Leno's Jaywalking segment.I don't think for an instant that this situation happened without some deliberate action on the part of the neoswine to make it so. It's much easier to manipulate ignorant, gullible fools than an educated and informed public. "No child left behind", my ass!

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» You rely on America's education system? WHY? Posted by: Democratic Socialist
Steve V. in Vermont
Posted by: steve.janv@hotmail.com on Jan 15, 2008 10:47 AM   
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I have come to the conclusion that all this must play itself out, that there is virtually nothing we will do to alter the future. From foreign policy to economic policy, decisions have been made that will change our lives for generations to come. We have met the enemy and...........

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» RE: Steve V. in Vermont Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
I am a baby boomer,
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 15, 2008 11:08 AM   
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and when I go to protests, the majority of those I see in the streets are MY age. I do not see many young people (and this distresses me). It is the baby boomers who caused the end of the draft, it is the moneyed elite who have caused this Bushit mess we are now in. I WANT a draft to get young people off of their complacent asses to take back this country. It is the late 60s and 70 somethings I see in the misguided born again demonstrations and conservative Repuke conventions-all of them a nice white middle age idiot crowd.

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» RE: I am a baby boomer, Posted by: donl51
» RE: Math problems? Posted by: aka_bozo
» LOL Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: LOL Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: LOL Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: "puny as you (me)" Posted by: aka_bozo
» RE: I am a baby boomer, Posted by: MobileSucks
» The Draft Posted by: Cathyc
» they DO indeed need The Draft? Posted by: aka_bozo
» RE: One word: Google Posted by: Jasonix
Cogent & Succinct
Posted by: Ivann on Jan 15, 2008 11:13 AM   
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"I don't understand the motivation for the war, but suspect the real reason for the war, which one would suspect of a country which is a third oligarchy, a third plutocracy and a third theocracy, is that it simply is a profitable machine."

Thank you!!

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Don't lose hope, all you
Posted by: aka_bozo on Jan 15, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Progressives (leftists, socialists, liberals, WHATever). By simply forgiving all outstanding personal debt we can we make the government BIGGER and even MORE responsive to needs and the will of THE PEOPLE. Only by electing a party of THE PEOPLE, the good, the wise, and the visionary Democratic Party, whose leadership will create policies and programs that benefit ALL OF THE PEOPLE, not just to the benefit of the evil, EVIL, insiders - like those evil, EVIL Republicans (even though the same corporations coincidentally contribute to both our parties, this means nothing, NOTHING – just ignore this. Anyway…). Only the Democratic leadership has the intelligence and vision to bring this great nation back to the glories of the past decades: when money was cheap, Mc-Mansions flourished on the open prairies, SUV’s were in every garage, and boats parted the waves of the polluted rivers of this (did I say) glorious - and once prosperous - nation; which was ruined in ONLY 8 years by those evil, EVIL Republican insiders.

Save us Hillary, you’re our only hope!!!

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» RE: Don't lose hope, all you Posted by: Squarehead
Bloom is correct except there is a way out of Iraq
Posted by: channing on Jan 15, 2008 11:23 AM   
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I miss hearing from living Intellects. His type of "quality nuance" is arguably the most impactual pillar that has been destroyed in main stream culture and particularly the press over the past 50 years. But he is tired, and I'd love to hear his response to my long-standing and ignored proposal for getting out of Iraq Now:

1. Remove All American Troops and US-WMD's Now, not tomorrow, this afternoon.
2. Apologize to Iraq, the World and the American People.
3. Admit War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
4. Authorize a 100 Billion War Reparation Seed Fund, and Invite Britain and Israel and the world to Contribute.
5. The Reparation Fund will be handed over to the Iraqi People the moment they come to an Internal, Popular and Verifiable Consensus Government of their own Choosing.

They will make their own peace tomorrow.

But that's a Direct Threat to the MIC and probably a full 3rd of the American People who will have to find Valid Work to do to Replace the Dependence On Foreign Intervention.

It's not likely, but it is Possible.

Kucinish-Paul should Both Abandon the MIC/RNC/DNC/MSM Machine and Champion this, the Only Way Out of Doom for America the Deceived!

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» RE: Thank you Centavo Posted by: channing
» RE: imprisonment Posted by: aka_bozo
» RE: imprisonment - My PoEm Posted by: left_libertarian
All This While People Obsess Over Britney Spears, Paris Hilton...
Posted by: Animal on Jan 15, 2008 12:14 PM   
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Or who the next "American I-dull" will be.

But on the bright side, at least those "horrible, evil gays" can't destroy this country with their "wicked, diabolical plot" to get married!

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Deconstruction
Posted by: supercrisp on Jan 15, 2008 12:40 PM   
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The remark here in the article that Bloom fought deconstructionists who argued that "essentially language has no meaning" is a bit off. They argued that language has no essential meaning. And that word order makes all the difference in meaning. Really, even if you don't have respect for their work, there's no reason to make an idiot straw man to punch up. For the most part, their ideas certainly hold more water than the somewhat odd collection of categories that make up Bloom's A Map of Misreading.

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I'm having quite a reflection here...
Posted by: goeswithness on Jan 15, 2008 12:42 PM   
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And in a way, LMAO. Ironically. I remember Professor Bloom being vilified and called all sorts of nasty names not all that long ago because of his traditionalist intellectual stances and apparent dislike of popular culture. By the left. There were assumptions about racism and sexism, and I can't say I entirely ruled it out, because I didn't take the time myself to go find out, but I also thought there was a possibility the condemnation wasn't fair. I tend to be fairly traditionalist intellectually myself, although I don't stop there. Let's just say, I always liked the Dead White Men of great literature, and I favor thinking hard over thinking it doesn't matter.

I really expected a slew of letters saying "don't you remember what a snob/racist/sexist etc. this guy is? Why are we hearing from him?" That we're not indicates what? Our maturity? Our forgetfulness? Our eagerness to ignore snobbism/racism/sexism when somebody is on our side?

So now it comes out that he, at the very least, is not an idealogue of any kind, and it rather renews my faith in intellectualism (along with many of the insightful comments written here) and makes me a little bit ashamed that I didn't care enough to check out what people were saying about him back in the day.

I have two conclusions:
1) I am going to renew my zest for not swallowing other people's opinions about someone rather than taking the responsibility for forming my own. We people on the left are as quick as those on the right to form theories about someone based on a few things they say, ignore the information we have that doesn't fit the theory, and rest easy in passing it on to others without further investigation. And unfortunately, people would rather believe bad things about others than good things.

2) Alternet, can we please have better writers? Reading the thoughts of articulate people just reminds me how wearying it is to open blog post after blog post that says basically nothing more than "This (whatever it is) sucks." I appreciate the headlines; I do find out about things I wouldn't know otherwise. But, good god, I know there are better writers in the world with a lot more thoughtful things to say about the same topics than the writers we get here a good part of the time.

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» RE: posting and assholes Posted by: aka_bozo
A national treasure
Posted by: primalscream on Jan 15, 2008 1:11 PM   
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Bloom is the Ralph Waldo Emerson of our time. He will continue to be read long after historians have ushered W. into the same dustbin containing James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

I don't always share Bloom's literary tastes, but I agree completely with his assessment of Bush, Iraq, and the current state of the American Empire. And I am always impressed and inspired by his erudition and originality.

May we enjoy Bloom's analysis for many years to come.

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» RE: A national treasure Posted by: Squarehead
Harold Bloom called Harry Potter garbage.
Posted by: TheRatchett on Jan 15, 2008 1:40 PM   
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I gotta agree with Harold, downloading HP and The Phoenix off of a P2P program, ...he kills his aunt by causing her wind to expand thus sending her into orbit after five minutes, then threatens his Uncle, husband of the woman he killed, with a pointed sharp metal instrument resembling a short sword.

Then on the run, and after using the metal impliment again as a threatening weapon, a drug crazed crowd he meets on a bus take him to a place where a choir chants the witches curse from Shakespeares Macbeth. That's when I turned Harry off and cancelled the torrent.

Harry Potter was full of subliminal messages endorsing violence and heartless murder as a way of problem solving... It seemed to ok drug abuse, else why have visual distortion and dangerous driving in a double decker bus as a theme.

Harry's creator JK Rawlings recently put a set of hand drawn limited issue Harry Potteresque writings up for sale, which brought well over a million dollars at auction. Like the HP series these works were full of drawings of skulls, indeed a skull motif resembling the same skull the Waffen SS of WW2 fame had on their uniforms, is on the cover. Death cults and people with a death wish use skulls.

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Jeffersonian roots
Posted by: jmooney on Jan 15, 2008 2:10 PM   
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As I read this, I couldn't help but think that we have really gone widely astray from our roots as a union of sovereign states. Before our big Constitutional Convention from 1860 to 1865 -- we were plural: "the United States are". Post 1865, we became "the United States is". And that resulted in a never-ending march to where we are today, a bloated, imperialistic, monolithic government where the states are no longer sovereign; they are mere provinces.

I know we may have needed more focused central government than was provided us in the original Constitution, but that should have been addressed through peaceful Constitutional means such as the amendment process or, better yet, a real Constitutional Convention, not the violent deaths of more than a half million humans on the North American continent and the overthrowing of basic civil rights, legal protections, freedom of the press and the forcible detention and/or expulsion of those who opposed the bloody Constitutional coup that took place from 1860-1865.

Before anyone starts mumbling about being an apologist for slavery, I know that was the one good thing that accidentally came about as a result of the 1860-1865 Constitutinal coup. But even there, the end-justifies-the means mentality led to an ham handed reconstruction effort that led to the essential re-enslavement of those who had ostensibly been freed (Jim Crow).

So, yes, I place the blame for the lawlessness of the current regime, which talks about the unitary executive and expounds on the Constitution as just a "goddamn piece of paper" on the lawless Constitutional coup of 1860 to 1865.

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blooms a bit late/the absent minded transgressor
Posted by: wleming on Jan 15, 2008 2:26 PM   
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poor harold bloom
fighting for truth and beauty
didn't notice pinochet
and the rest of the state
departments booty

dear harold awaken
this imperialism US style
has long preceded your
fakin

fight on harold, for incremental
repetition
while the current regime
insures eternal perdition

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Sad.
Posted by: davescott on Jan 15, 2008 2:31 PM   
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As another noted critic said, the right wing took over the White House and the left took over the English Department. Wonderful essay. And Bloom is entirely right: the quality of political debate in this country is less than zero. Lou Dobbs and CNN or Fox blowhards pass for thinkers.

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» RE: Sad. Posted by: struths
Not so fast
Posted by: radical53 on Jan 15, 2008 3:05 PM   
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I generally agree with the assertion that America is in decline. The way the media has become part of the power structure seems irreversible. The media helps control the political discourse in this country and has a great deal of influence on elections. I see this happening daily as small squabbles over words and so-called personal attacks receive constant, exaggerated coverage.

Nonetheless, I see the decline of America as a kind of spiralling down. There will be pauses and small recoveries along the way. For example, a third party will probably be formed at some point, despite the obstacles, causing a realignment of the political debate for awhile.

Unfortunately, I see no way to totally halt our decline. I agree with some other comments that it really is sad.

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» RE: faster faster, and gone Posted by: dragonmagic
» RE: Decline Posted by: Dboy
A World in Bloom
Posted by: jimstinson on Jan 15, 2008 4:11 PM &nbs