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Thom Hartmann: How Liberals Can Speak Without Boring Everyone to Tears

By Onnesha Roychoudhuri, AlterNet. Posted December 6, 2007.


It turns out we have a lot to learn from the advertising world and even Republicans.
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"SCHIP" according to Thom Hartmann, "sounds like something you want to avoid stepping in as you're walking through a cow pasture." Referring to a program to provide healthcare coverage to children nationwide with the hollow acronym SCHIP is just one of many failures of imagination on the part of the Democratic Party. Chart the difference between "SCHIP" and "The Clear Skies Act" and you'll get some sense of the dissonance that has progressives throughout the country scratching their heads in bewilderment.

You may know Hartmann as the host of a progressive radio program on Air America. What you may not know about are his previous gigs in advertising and as the director of a residential treatment center for children. It is this background in advertising and psychology that informs Hartmann's insight into the ability of a politician to connect with Americans. His new book Cracking the Code: The Art and Science of Political Persuasion, is written with the intention of providing progressive Americans with the tools that the advertising industry has mastered: How to tell the story behind your vision in such a way that people can't help but listen.

Will the book spur a revolution among Democratic leadership? Probably not. For Hartmann, that's not the goal. "We need to become the media," he argues, appealing instead to individual Americans. "That," says Hartmann, "is where the action is." At a time when many Americans sense a radical disconnect between the policies of those in power and their best interests, Hartmann's message is one of hope and individual empowerment.

Hartmann sat down with AlterNet to explain the tools that enable us, as well as our Democratic leadership if they care to listen, to speak without boring anyone to tears. As Hartmann's overarching message makes clear, what we've got to say is just too important.

Onnesha Roychoudhuri: What was the impetus for the book?

Thom Hartmann: It was the confluence of information and realization. I worked for more than a decade in the advertising industry and about that long in the psychology industry. I've spent six years doing progressive talk radio in the politics business. I've seen, starting with Newt Gingrich seizing power and bringing in Frank Lutz, that the Republicans got very professional about messaging. The Democrats never did.

One of the reasons that the Democrats never did is because the Democratic Party is small "d" democratic. Chris Matthews makes the joke about how the Republicans want a leader and the Democrats want to have a meeting. It's true. The conservative mindset is one that is more calibrated for hierarchy and top-down control. The Democratic mindset, the liberal mindset, reflects the notions that "we're all in this together," "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link" and "we're a community." It's the old Will Rogers joke, "I don't belong to any organized party. I'm a Democrat."

Gingrich, and Reagan's advisers before that, decided to really focus the party and bring in professionals in the fields of psychology and marketing to refashion their message. The Democrats didn't do that. Oddly enough, the strength of the Democratic Party is that it is small "d" democratic. But it's also, in this case, a weakness.

The Republican Party was captured in the 1870s by the railroad barons and turned from the reform party that Abe Lincoln had run on the platform of, into the party of inherited wealth and corporate interests. Since Reagan, they have successfully reinvented themselves as the party of soft bigotry and "NASCAR average guys." They have gone out of their way to reach out mostly to frightened disenfranchised white males and scare them. Take Rush Limbaugh with his supposedly funny ad about the Hillary Clinton testicle lock box that you now can get for your husband.

OR: You trace the core tenets of Republican and Democratic ideology to Hobbes and Locke. Can you explain how these thinkers impact our modern-day conception of conservative and liberal ideology?

TH: They are the origin of both the modern-day conservative and modern-day liberal movements. By the way, I use liberal instead of progressive. I like Bernie Sanders' definition: Progressives are liberals who are actually doing something, whereas liberals are the folks who have the understanding of the worldview. Progressives are the activists.

The origin of both the liberal and conservative worldviews really was with Thomas Hobbes who, in Leviathan, put forth two really radical proposals. The first was that humans can govern themselves, that they don't need a god-ordained leader. That was the basis of modern liberalism. The second major idea was that people are fundamentally evil and that if they're not restrained by the iron fist of church or state, that life would be nasty, short and brutish. That's the basis of the modern conservative worldview -- that everybody is fundamentally evil.


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Onnesha Roychoudhuri is a San Francisco-based writer and editor. She has written for AlterNet, the American Prospect, Salon, Mother Jones, Truthdig, In These Times, Huffington Post and Women's eNews.

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Thom Hartmann (what's with the "h", Thom?)
Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 6, 2007 4:27 AM   
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If you haven't heard Thom Hartmann's program on Air America Radio, you really should. His is the finest talk show on the air today. His broad knowledge of American history can only be described as breathtaking. It is the most informative program on the air today. No one even comes close.

And on top of that, the guy's as humble as heck.

Yesterday's program was his best yet. His topic was political courage. One woman, a descendant of one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, said that in recent years she had met other relatives of the signers who were very politically involved and oragnized against this hideoous regime now holding the White House. I could relate.

Tom Degan
Descendant of
signer of the
Delclaration of Independence,
Charles Carroll
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» The H is not for History Posted by: gary_7vn
» RE: The H is not for History Posted by: gary_7vn
Sound advice
Posted by: Urstrly on Dec 6, 2007 4:29 AM   
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Never having caught Hartmann's show, I find this refreshing and dead on. He's less intellectualized than George Lakoff, who makes some of the same points.

IFC just showed "So Goes the Nation," a documentary about the 2004 election in Ohio, and having worked for a 527 there I could finally bring myself to watch it.The Democrats ran a terrible campaign; you have to wonder how they could have had a more jumbled message. At some point, Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic chair, says he asked a campaign manager what Kerry's theme was, and she answered something like "Health Care, Education, Jobs" and a couple of other topics. If Bush were not such a demonstratively bad president, if urban Ohio had not been an economic pit, and if some people had not begun to wake up to the debacle of Iraq, I think the results would have been even worse (which doesn't mean Ken Blackwell didn't rig it too).

I'd be interested in what Hartmann makes of Hillary Clinton's campaign.

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» RE: Sound advice Posted by: Lauren
4.9
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 6, 2007 4:35 AM   
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Spot-on about boring liberal droning. This is a good example of the opposite: interesting, straightforward analysis, instead of whining, obsession with details, and big words.

I have so much to say--both positive and negative--about this article: an article so interesting that it makes you think. But I'll spare you the boring details.

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Good intentions
Posted by: True2Blue on Dec 6, 2007 5:34 AM   
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I agree that this article has great intentions, but seems to fall victim to the same pop-psychology trappings; for instance, are average readers, even here on Alternet, going to grasp and agree with the meaning of the twice-used word, "kinesthetic?"

The Republicans have developed a fantastic propaganda machine, and that should be pointed out in any discussion of their tactics, taking care to include the word "propaganda." It's true that these skills were bought by the Repubs from Madison Avenue. One need only read Ewen, Pratkanis, Chomsky, McChesney etc. to see that this is nothing new in American politics, but the current administration certainly has honed it to an edge never seen before. It helps that they have complete control of most of the media.

I also can't agree with Mr. Hartmann's statement that Dems shouldn't change their methods to be more like Repubs. When Nazi tanks, planes, and soldiers started rolling through Europe, they weren't stopped by the resistance of group-thinkers, concensus-builders, or big-tent proponents. No, they were stopped by armies who became better-equipped and better-fought, by necessity.

We need to fight fire with fire. I just don't see it happening.

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» RE: Good intentions Posted by: setterwoman
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: Joe
» RE: Good intentions Posted by: VannaLaRoche
Well written, but wrong
Posted by: Derek Maddox on Dec 6, 2007 6:28 AM   
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This is a well written article, and the arguments put forth by Hartmann are well spoken. But, when you boil it down, the article simply repeats the idea that if "the people" only understood what liberals and progressives were saying, that liberal and progressive ideas would win at the ballot box.

Perhaps "the people" understand you perfectly well, and either don't like what they are hearing or simply do not believe what they are hearing.

Let's look at one item where Hartmann gave specific advice on how John Kerry should have dealt with the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. Hartmann's advises Kerry to call these men "liars and bums", noting that folks could understand this. That approach would have failed even more miserably than his whining denials. Kerry, by all accounts, spent approximately 3 months actually in Vietnam. He took his minimum number of injuries, then skedaddled back to the States. He then began a campaign of calling his brothers in arms murderers and barbarians of the worst sort.

On the other side of the argument were a number of men, many of whom served multiple tours in Vietnam with great distinction. They questioned and challenged Kerry's description of his Vietnam service with their own witness and service records.

In this situation, people understood very well what Kerry was saying. They just didn't believe him. Or, rather, they found the other veterans' stories more credible.

It would not have been sufficient for Kerry to simply call the Swiftboat Veterans "liars and bums". He would have to demonstrate, beyond any doubt, that they were liars. Perhaps if Kerry had released his complete service records, as he promised to do, they might have butressed his credibility. I strongly suspect, as do many others, that the reason he did not release his records is that they would have lent further credibility to his opponents.

The problem liberals and progressives have is that these days there are a number of alternative media outlets that help conservatives, as well as plain old folks, decipher the "framing" of liberal ideas and understand the core of liberal objectives. Then they see that the progressives are simply putting a fresh coat of lipstick on the same ugly pig.

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» RE: Well written, but wrong Posted by: Lauren
» Lauren Posted by: thekidde
» RE: Well written, but wrong Posted by: PlacitasRoy
» Interesting Posted by: Derek Maddox
» RE: Interesting Posted by: morticia
» RE: Interesting Posted by: dmaddox
» RE: Interesting Posted by: morticia
» RE: Interesting Posted by: PlacitasRoy
» Hmmm Posted by: dmaddox
» No, You Miss the Point on This Posted by: sofla100
» RE: Well written, but wrong Posted by: CatDad
» I'm going to agree with you Posted by: dmaddox
» You people.... Posted by: morticia
» Slime Boater Prove the Point Posted by: PlacitasRoy
» Slime Boat Liars Prove the Point Posted by: PlacitasRoy
loss of net neutrality (and another great article)
Posted by: off-the-radar 2 on Dec 6, 2007 7:51 AM   
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Alternet is batting a thousand, so many excellent articles posted today.

What an interesting interview. I agree with Thom about telling compelling stories about your values and vision for the future.

I also like the way he respects people with other political viewpoints and recognizes the common values.

The one thing he mentions, which I increasingly worry about is the loss of "net neutrality". OECD just hosted an international conference on controlling the internet. I don't think that governments and corporations want ordinary citizens to have the ability to discuss independent ideas and form communities which act against corporate hegemony . . . .

Ironic isn't it? Because the internet may be our greatest hope to re-organize society in a way that works for individuals and the planet rather than corporations.

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SHOOT the sellouts out of the Democratic Party and bring in real populists !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 6, 2007 7:58 AM   
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That's a first step and by shooting I mean voting not guns. Second, make the Democrats CONCENTRATE and not get infatuated with too many FUCKING MONEYBAGS !!

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HOOTENANNY
Posted by: lifeaholic on Dec 6, 2007 8:09 AM   
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I am with Hartman.

I attend R and D meetings and D are dull.

I will change it.

In 2008, I will present my DEMOCRATS NIGHT TO REMEMBER
A HOOTENANNY

A celebration- a Party night-jumping-shouting-laughter-
praise democrats with truth of history and slam republicans with truth of failure--all american party vs twenty percent party-

GREAT NIGHTS ACOMING

Every County in America

ask your county democratic chairman
to contact
clarenceswinney@bellsouth.net

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Hartmann is the best
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 6, 2007 8:24 AM   
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of all the Air Americans. Love Randi, Rachel, Ed, and the others, but Thom is the nadir.

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» RE: Hartmann is the best Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» "Zenith" is the word you want Posted by: Derek Maddox
Thom is Boring
Posted by: harlan8 on Dec 6, 2007 10:09 AM   
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I was really dissapointed with the new KTLK lineup. I find Hartmann really boring. His tone is so monotone. I wish they would put Ed Schultz in then, cause I never listen in the evening. Love Staphanie and Randi. The only show worse than Thom is Mr K, these people are the most unknowledgable people on radio

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Good Article, but . . .
Posted by: reevolve on Dec 6, 2007 10:32 AM   
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Mr. Hartmann is clearly a thoughtful and intelligent man and he makes many good points. But he also loses much credibility with a few of his assertions. First of all, to claim that the left (progressives, liberals, Democrats, whichever you prefer) is not interested in “hierarchy and top-down control” flies in the face of reality. The objection that many people (myself included) have to leftist philosophy is that it is too constrictive of personal freedom. Yes, the left is on the side of personal freedom with certain issues (abortion, for one) and the right is sometimes too intrusive, but there is usually an underlying mindset on the left that if left to their own devices, people will make the wrong choices about their lives, and the choices must therefore be made for them. This turns people off. I understand that the left does what it does because it believes that it is acting for the common good, but people get a little twitchy when people try to take over their lives because others think that they are not doing an adequate job.

Secondly, after a brief nod to civility and “there are good people on both sides,” Mr. Hartmann proceeded to insult and demean people with whom he disagrees. Laying off workers, for instance, does not make one a “sociopath.” If they are unnecessary to your business, why in the world would you continue to employ them? For many years, I took my old Honda to the same mechanic, whom I liked very much. When the car finally died and I decided not to replace it, I didn’t continue to pay Marvin for services that I didn’t need. I simply stopped employing him. And I slept pretty well at night.

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» apples and oranges Posted by: gary_7vn
» RE: apples and oranges Posted by: Joe
» RE: Good Article, but . . . Posted by: PlacitasRoy
Capitalism is the problem-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Dec 6, 2007 10:34 AM   
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Although I like this article---

I don't think my Mormon neighbor is going to choose the environment over having no evolution taught in the schools, no matter what stories I tell her.
After all, SHE is going to heaven. The hell with the Earth...it is just a training ground.
She already has her OWN stories-

This is how Bush won. As long as my neighbor has her new car, her nice house, and money for the mall...why should she relate to stories about global warming or poor people?
After all God rewards the Good....and punishes the Bad. Clearly then, the poor are bad.

I do believe in the power of stories. I just don't see the sociopaths now in power as letting go without a fight. And really-what do they have to fear?

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I worked with Thom in advertising
Posted by: Pojer on Dec 6, 2007 1:06 PM   
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The man is absolutely right. KPOJ is Portland features advertisers that come right out and say "Hey, we have a product to sell, but we think fascism sucks. Help support us and we will help support Progressive talk radio."

That message sells, and people will give their business to Patriots trying to fight back against a corrupt government in place right now.

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Net Neutrality--A Slogan
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Dec 6, 2007 2:09 PM   
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in search of a problem...

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Democrats Need to Point Out the Lies and Fabrications of The Right, Show that They Side with Truth
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 6, 2007 6:16 PM   
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Hartmann is good as far as it goes, but a lot is missed here in terms of an effective approach. Yes, the right and the Republicans try to have an advantage by appealing to the flag and enemies abroad, a constant theme for GW Bush and Giuliani. Hence, they always have to be defined by their enemies. Giuliani by the "terrorists" and Bush by "nuclear Iran." But, because these politicians have no view of the common good beyond this, they are vulnerable. The Democratic mistake is to buy into the same approach as the Republicans. The Dems simply need to point out the truth, for example, that universal health care, via single provider, will work, because it has been working for over 50 years in all the other developed countries of the world. They should point to the lies of Bush and the Republicans, eg "what, you didn't know the intelligence estimate (Mr Bush) showed Iran hasn't had a nuclear weapons program for over 5 years, and you are President of the USA? etc. Since the Republicans are vulnerable on competency, they need to be exposed. The Republicans can also be attacked on harming the American economy. The Dems need to point out that by not taxing the rich, the deficit has exploded, weakening America's economy. Finally, their are many ways and avenues on which the Republicans and the Right are vulnerable. For Dems., let's show them for who they are, the party of the rich, the party of the priviliged, the party that will take the food away from the starving children, etc. This is what it will take.

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Complaining about SCHP, wetf that is
Posted by: gary_7vn on Dec 6, 2007 8:01 PM   
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Hartmann complaining about the dems not coming up with a better name for their programme, tells me that he still buys the myth about there being two opposing parties in America.

This is not the case and has not been so for decades, both parties are simply wings of the permanent government. The fact that they tried to sell something by calling it "schp" is good proof that they had no intent to sell it! Even a child today knows that you must give your product at least a catchy name and some good packaging.

The fact that the democrats did not position their product better is proof they are Quislings, or collaborators with the occupation at best. No one could not sell an SCHP to an IDIOT, the dems knew that! No sorry Thom, it was never meant to sell.

Nice guy, very very bright, but childishly naive.

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Thom Hartman is boring
Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Dec 7, 2007 9:44 PM   
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While Thom is right about the points he makes here (although he's just basically repeating George Lakoff's work and I wished he would've given Mr. Lakoff more credit), I find it ironic that it comes from a person (Thom himself) that has a radio show that is at times incredibly static and at times really dull. While I enjoy his intellectual curiosity and historical musings, sometimes I find it quite removed from the real day-to-day world. I mean sometimes I want to find out about what he thinks about the current hot topic of the day and yet Thom is stuck discussing history. Don't get me wrong, I find his discussions fascinating but it wouldn't hurt if he actually made his show more up-to-date and more dynamic in the way that Ed Schultz's show is.

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Republicans serve candy; Dems serve vegetibles
Posted by: Fog on Dec 8, 2007 1:39 PM   
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One is better for you, but which would the kiddies snatch up first?

A lot of the Reps' message speaks to our fears of social shame and humiliation. It's easier to belong than to think.

Look at the churches. Not a lot of critical thinking going on there, but don't you dare not show up!

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hackbut
Posted by: hackbut on Dec 8, 2007 8:10 PM   
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I am a conservative because contrary to one of the writer's comments, I simply count the bodies of the right and the left in history, and the left wins by far. But, I am not a Bush conservative and in fact I think it is not wrong to call Bush and his ilk "fascists", at least in the economic sense since if they could they'd have a house of Congress in which GM. GE, Microsoft, etc. were overtly represented by members, instead of the covert representatives they have today. As to the conversation of liberals/progressives, it will be more persuasi ve when so many of them stop sounding like losers who simply want, without much effort, the things for which others have worked, and in the latter category I don't include the big winners in Bush's world. Also, one of the reaons another type of progressive will have trouble influencing people like me whose whole family made the Faustian health/economic bargain of working in a tire facory is that too many progressives simply disdain and try to dictate to such people from their self-constructed perches. In street terms they are a legend in their own minds, but not in those of their "lower class" audience. Further, the country would be a lot better off if our universities produced less of the progressive intellectual type and more people like engineers, doctors and scientists who could really do a job of work instead of issuing diktats to the "lower classes." Very informative piece.

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At least they are experts
Posted by: PlacitasRoy on Dec 10, 2007 7:25 PM   
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“(although he's just basically repeating George Lakoff's work and I wished he would've given Mr. Lakoff more credit), “ Actually Lakoff’s emphasis on Framing is just one part of a multifaceted approach that Thom & Neuro Linguistic Programming addresses. In other words, Lakoff talks about cars, Thom talks about transportation....and they are both experts.

Having read four of Lakoff’s books and many of his articles, as well as 10-12 of Thom’s books, many of his articles, and listening to his show several hours a week since its inception, I can assure you he gives Lakoff a lot of credit and his work is goes way beyond repeating Lakoff’s. Lakoff has been a guest on the radio show several times.

I appreciate Thom's "chunking up" and taking the broad view rather than simply focusing on the hot topics of the day. But that's a matter of taste - I'm just glad there is now at least a small variety of good liberal talk show hosts tp take on the Reich-wing hate merchants & propagandists.

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