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Bill Cosby's New Book Full of Racial Stereotypes

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet. Posted October 15, 2007.


Cosby's new book continues to tar black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out.
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Comedian Bill Cosby is the walking and now writing proof of the ancient adage that good intentions can go terribly awry. That's never been more painfully true than in Cosby's latest tome, Come on People.

Cosby and his publisher boast that the book is a big, brash, and provocative challenge to black folk to get their act together. That's got him ga ga raves, and an unprecedented one hour spin job on Meet the Press.

In the book, Cosby harangues and lectures, cobbles together a mesh of his trademark anecdotes, homilies, and personal tales of woe and success, juggles and massages facts to bolster his self-designated black morals crusade. Stripped away it's the same stock claim that blacks can't read, write or speak coherent English, and are social and educational cripples and failures.

Since Cosby's much touted tirade at the NAACP confab a few years back, and on countless talk shows, and at community gatherings, he has succeeded marvelously in getting the tongues of blacks wagging furiously and their fingers jabbing relentlessly at each other's alleged mountainous defects. They stumble over themselves to hail Cosby as the ultimate truth-giver.

He isn't. While Cosby is entitled to publicly air black America's alleged dirty laundry, there's more myth than dirt in that laundry. Some knuckleheads in black neighborhoods do kill, mug, peddle dope, are jobless untouchables, and educational wastrels. They, and only they, should be the target of wrath. But Cosby makes a Grand Canyon size leap from them to paint a half-truth, skewed, picture of the plight of poor blacks and the reasons and prescriptions for their plight. The cornerstone of Cosby mythmaking is that they are crime prone, educational losers, and teen baby making machines.

The heart wrenching and much played up news shots and specials of black-on-black blood letting in Philadelphia, New Orleans, and a handful of other big cities and the admission that blacks do have a much higher kill rate than young whites tell a tale of out-of-control, lawless blacks. The truth: homicides and physical assaults have plunged among black teens to the lowest levels in the past two decades. The rate of drug use among young blacks is no higher than among young whites. Blacks are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned than young whites who if arrested at all are more likely to get drug rehab, counseling, and treatment referrals, probation or community service. This horribly distorts the racial crime picture.

Then there is the black teen girls as baby making machine myth. The truth: The teen pregnancy rate among black girls has sharply dropped during the past decade. And they continue to fall.

The biggest myth that young blacks empty out the public schools, fill up the jails and cemeteries, and ridicule learning as acting white has risen to urban legend rank. The truth: The U.S. Dept. of Education found that in the decades since 1975, more blacks had enrolled in school, had improved their SAT scores by nearly 200 points and had lowered their dropout rate significantly. It also found that one in three blacks attended college, and that the number of blacks receiving bachelors and masters degrees had nearly doubled. A survey of student attitudes by the Minority Student Achievement Network, an Illinois-based educational advocacy group in 2002 and confirmed in other surveys, found that black students were as motivated, studied as hard, and were as serious about graduating as whites.

Cosby publicly bristles at criticism that he takes the worst of the worst behavior of some blacks and publicly hurls that out as the warped standard of black America. Cosby says that he does not mean to slander all, or even most blacks, as derelict, laggards and slackers. Yet that's precisely the impression he gives and the criticism of him for it is more than justified. Even the book title, Come on People: On the Path from Victims to Victors (a hint they're all losers) conveys that smear.

He did not qualify or provide a complete factual context for his blanket indictment of poor blacks. He made the negative behavior of some blacks a racial rather than an endemic social problem. In doing so, he did more than break the alleged taboo against publicly airing racial dirty laundry; he fanned dangerous and destructive stereotypes.

This is hardly the call to action that can inspire and motivate underachieving blacks to improve their lives. Instead, it further demoralizes those poor blacks who are doing the best to keep their children and themselves out of harm's way, often against towering odds, while still being hammered for their alleged failures by the Cosby's within and without their communities.

Worse, Cosby's blame the victim slam does nothing to encourage government officials and business leaders to provide greater resources and opportunities to aid those blacks that need help. Come on People, intended or not, continues to tar the black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out. Come on Cosby.

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book The Latino Challenge to Black America: Towards a Conversation between African-Americans and Hispanics (Middle Passage Press and Hispanic Economics New York) in English and Spanish was just released.

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Posted by: phelander on Oct 15, 2007 3:46 PM   
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Cosby's new book continues to tar black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out.

And they aren't??? I saw Cosby and the Dr. on Meet The Press. They sounded like they hit the nail right on the head. I'm sorry you can't see the truth when it smacks you in the face daily.

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Ok
Posted by: daniel1982 on Oct 15, 2007 3:56 PM   
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>Cosby's new book continues to tar black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out.

You're right, thats not the black population. But I think you've just defined the NAACP.

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Cosby cashes in
Posted by: susanh on Oct 15, 2007 4:31 PM   
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I agree with the article.

Cosby didn't really need to, being famous and wealthy and all, but it's always been an almost guaranteed path to lionization by the right and a book tour if you are a person of color willing to rag on and blame other people of color. Ask Shelby Steele, Ward Connerly, and Michelle Malkin. This is a known career path for the unprincipled.

Painting all poor blacks with the same brush does nothing to advance the interests of those who are struggling day in and day out against a racist system. And how would Bill Cosby know what poor African American families are facing now, anyway? Although he has great anecdotes and amusing stories about his childhood, he hasn't been poor for decades.

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when i was a kid, back in my day, blah blah blah . . .
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Oct 16, 2007 4:56 AM   
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cosby is getting old, unlike the rest of us, and is becoming a crotchity old bastard, unlike the rest of us, who would, most likely, throw stones at kids riding their bikes in front of his house 'because they are making too much noise'.

as he is dying (ferchristsakes. he is old and that does lead to death) and is thrashing about, trying to make a difference (rightly or wrongly), trying to be heard. trying not to pass away.

do not go gentle into that good night

(throw one for me, bill)

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Gee....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 16, 2007 6:19 AM   
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Someone who is very rich thinking the poor are just whiny and looking for a handout... what are the odds.

But hey... keep that minimum wage low! Keep erroding local economies and cutting back on benefits and job security and telling us its being done so we can have any economy at all... while the wealthy get tax cuts, shareholders make more and more money, and CEO pay and perks continue to climb.

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Cosby has a point and EOH is tyhe one whining
Posted by: Cesco8 on Oct 16, 2007 7:43 AM   
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I have not read the book and probably will not. But I have a feeling of déjà vu: anytime somebody talks about something bad related to a community or a religious or ethnic group, the insults fly from one side and the praises from the other side. Most of the time, people cheer or boo according to their sometimes distorted views. One example is whenever Israel is criticized or the influence of AIPAC is exposed, the critic is labelled an anti-semitic or a self hating jew. On the other side, racists extremists can agree with the critic, thus, the easy affirmation that the critic sides with the racists.

Personally, I think I understand what Cosby is doing. I think he wants to challenge his people to upgrade their standards regardless of their current situation.
Yes, there is racism is the USA. Of course there is. That’s a known fact. It’s also a known fact that poor people in poor neighbourhood are more likely to be exposed to crime (as a criminal or a victim or both) whether they are black, white or whatever. It’s also a known fact that if you are poor in the US of A, chances are equal “justice for all” won’t apply to you. There are far more disadvantages for poor people in the US of A. When you combine that with the fact that blacks have been kept down for so long, no wonder many of them are poor people confined in poor and violent neighbourhoods with all that comes with that.

The Cosby crusade is one that I understand because I believe what he is saying is REGARDLESS, what can you do as an individual and a member of the black community to make it better for yourself and your community.
America is changing. It has a lot in the last 50 years. Don’t wait for another 50 years when there will be even less racism. Hopefully, legislators and other will, small steps after small steps make that country better in the future. But for now, PICK YOURSELF UP AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY.

Cosby is not saying poor blacks are doing those negative things because the colour of their skin or because of their culture. It is the racists who are going to conclude that. What he criticize can be seen in any poor ethnic group. What seems to be important to Cosby is the BLACK people. Not the poor people. For example, being a teen with multiple kids is not a good idea. Poor white, Latino teens in the USA do the same things. Cosby concern is the Black teen.

What’s wrong with trying to tell your people to be better. There is a show on BET with Eddy Murphy’s brother called “We’ve Got To Do Better”. Isn’t it the same thing? I believe it is.
EOH says “Cosby's new book continues to tar black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out.”
Yes and No!
Yes because poor people (black, white, yellow …etc) are often dysfunctional, chronic sometimes whiners, and eternally for many, searching for a government hand-out. That’s poor people all over the world.
No because that statement does not apply to every poor people. Many work very hard of course. Nobody denies that.

What I believe people need to understand is that Cosby is probably more PRO-Black than many and he is not an Hypocrite.

Racism and poverty are important factors. What are poor black people going to do about it? Not much. All they can do is control their decision making. Easy said than done! Of course! But who ever said life was easy for poor people.

I wish the next book is about how black community leaders and (very) rich can help their community pick themselves up.

For perspective, I’m a black African born in Africa and I’m now a Canadian citizen living in Montreal. My dad was born in a little village you can’t even put on a map. Thank God he made the right choices. That's all it comes down to.
Peace

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Bill Cosbyis a leech!
Posted by: celebhaterz on Oct 16, 2007 3:05 PM   
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Bill Cosby is ignorant and running out of money, so he made that book to stay ahead and he didnt care whom he offended or who hated it; its all about politics and cash!
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so, this is coming from an man.....who......had a child.......
Posted by: eosrk on Oct 16, 2007 4:02 PM   
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...outside of his..........marriage.

Hmm.

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Bill Cosby
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Oct 17, 2007 4:30 AM   
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is doing his best to save his people from the terrible habits forced upon them by the soul-scarring crimes of slavery, segregation, lynching, prejudice and discrimination. I wish every African American would read Cosby's books and think of themselves as equal citizens with a positive and hopeful future. That's what America needs.

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Luzmejor
Posted by: luzmejor on Oct 17, 2007 6:28 AM   
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I have to agree with Gee on what the real problem is with Bill Cosby. He had an asset, developed it with plenty of help that he has forgotten and now thinks he did it all by himself. So he concludes that people who can't repeat the process must be defective.

It's similar to the two-year-old thinking he has learned how to walk and talk all by himself, in a vacuum.

Proof-positive that Cosby is feeling guilty for making it while he can see that most of his actually worthy peers of all races have been cruelly left by the wayside in life's race to the top.

Well none of that is his personal fault, but I am on the side of the whiners who want to see more people getting to the roots of the problems in American society before it collapses of its own ignorance, insularism and hopeless money-worship.

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mick3
Posted by: mick3 on Oct 17, 2007 12:29 PM   
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Cosby is partially right, but ignores so much that blacks have endured it's a joke. I do wonder what Cosby himself might be doing had he not found a niche as an actor. No, he wouldn't be stuck in a ghetto, jobless and in danger of being attacked by the police every moment of his life, as are so many black males in Los Angeles, but I doubt that he'd be living high on the hog without that particular stroke of luck. Does he even have a clue why black men have chronic high blood pressure, for instance? I grew up thinking that if I were black and living in my city (LA), I would end up killing someone white, preferably a cop. That was many decades ago, and conditions there haven't changed enough to write about. No wonder the white culture is rejected. On the other hand, black women, at the very bottom of this crooked society, have been willing to do the work to succeed and are succeeding far beyond what black males have managed. It seems to me that black males have always expected their women to carry the burdens. Certainly, that has been the tradition in Africa, so it's not just a societal thing---but is definitely partially a societal thing.

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just another rich guy....
Posted by: WitchyNy on Oct 17, 2007 12:30 PM   
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Wasn't his teenage son killed as his expensive sports car was being stolen by a poor black teenager?

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I asked a group of black kids why they supported Kerry in 2004
Posted by: pammers on Oct 17, 2007 8:03 PM   
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One of them answered, "cuz we gets more free stuff".

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The Only Man
Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 18, 2007 10:43 AM   
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I've seen in the past decade who uses the word "revolution." God Bless the old coot for saying what the rest of us are too damned scared to utter.

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There is some truth to Bill's perspective
Posted by: Will Bos on Oct 18, 2007 1:11 PM   
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There are 2 sides to each story and it does not mean anyone is lying.....

If Cosby wants to come out like this then so be it and if people want to agree or disagree with him then so be it as well. The problem is that there is so much truth to what he is saying and there is truth to why he should not say it using this medium and vehemence.

But let’s not be coy. I recently bought a home in Newark, New Jersey and well....lets just say that there is a lot of dysfunctional sh*t everywhere. 7 out of 10 students don’t graduate and there are so many unattended kids running around that its depressing. Murders are common and drugs are in your face. If you carry yourself like an educated person you are immediately flagged and a sellout, and I have been asked if I was an undercover cop because I where a suit to work. I can hear gunshots at night constantly; every car that goes down the street is playing music extremely loud (to the point that it shakes the windows).

Litter is everywhere, yards are not taken care of, many of the houses are falling apart (I live in the south ward which used to be a Jewish neighborhood—the houses are beautiful if they are maintained), and gangs run amuck. Its absolutely depressing, but there are some good hardworking people.

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Bill Cosby seems to believe that he is the only Black American with an education
Posted by: risk on Oct 18, 2007 3:31 PM   
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Bill Cosby seems to believe that he is the only Black American with an education. Honestly, I'm starting to lose all respect for the man and his suppose knowledge about what he thinks is going on in the world. There are enough people enduring many unreasonable situations based upon this "I can't read bull crap", which is nothing but lies. As a group of people, Black Americans are continuously forced to fit into some kind of crazy stereotype every where they go. I sure that many Black Americans are smart enough to know when they're being crapped on based solely on some belief system that has been perpetuated through out our society. Are all Italians in the Mob? No. Do all Native Americans live on reservations? No. Are all Hispanics illegally here? No. So with that being said, as a supposed professional Black man, I'm sure he must have realized there is a difference between a truth and a lie. A difference between Fact and fiction. Black Americans are suffering through many of the same issues as everyone else in this country and just for being the only race of people that someone can easily spot in a crowd. Many people are losing what little they have managed to obtained through honest hard work because companies now feel free to make what some are calling "Cultural Changes." Is this because Black Americans can't read? NO. Am I saying “Why don’t we all just get along?” No. I’m saying lets all respect each others space and hard work because before anything gets better things may just get worse. But until all things finally come together for everyone’s good, let’s just stop making up lies and bitter comments that only causes us all more trouble than we need right now.

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African Immigrants better than African Americans??
Posted by: Charles360 on Oct 18, 2007 6:51 PM   
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African Immigrants:

African-born blacks comprise 16 percent of the U.S. foreign-born black population and are considerably more educated than other black immigrants (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2000). The vast majority comes from minority white countries in East and West Africa (e.g. Kenya and Nigeria), and less than 2 percent originate from North or South Africa (World Factbook 2004; Yearbook of immigration Statistics 2003).

In an analysis of Census Bureau data by the Journal of Blacks in higher education African immigrants to the United States were found more likely to be college educated than any other immigrant group. African immigrants to the U.S. are also more highly educated than any native-born ethnic group including white Americans. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is slightly more than the percentage of Asian immigrants to the U.S., nearly double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.

In 1997, 19.4 percent of all adult African immigrants in the United States held a graduate degree, compared to 8.1 percent of adult whites and 3.8 percent of adult blacks in the United States, respectively. This information suggests that America has an equally large achievement gap between whites and African immigrants as there is between white and black Americans.

The Canadian sociological literature on immigrants also paints a similar picture, however, less stark. All visible-minority immigrant groups whether from the Caribbean or India do better academically than their native born (non-visible) cohorts, on average. Both foreign-born and Canadian-born blacks have graduation rates that exceed those of other Canadians. Similar patters of educational over-achievements are reached with years of schooling and with data from the 1994 Statistics Canada survey. (Guppy and Davies, 1998; Boyd, 2002).

In the UK, 1988, the Commission for Racial Equality conducted an investigation on the admissions practices of St. George's, and other medical colleges, who set aside a certain number of places for minority students. This informal quota system reflected the percentage of minorities in the general population. However, minority students with Chinese, Indian, or black African heritage had higher academic qualifications for university admission than did whites (Blacks in Britain from the West Indies had far lower academic credentials than did whites). In fact, blacks with African origins over the age of 30 had the highest educational qualifications of any ethnic group in the British Isles. Thus, the evidence pointed to the fact that minority quotas for University admissions were actually working against students from these ethnic groups who were on average more qualified for higher education than their white peers.

According to the report The State of Working Britain, published by the Centre for Economic Performance at the highly regarded London School of Economics, 21 % of adult blacks in Britain with African origins have a university degree. Only 14 percent of adult white Britons are college educated. It has also been shown that black immigrants from Africa earn more money than do native born white Britons (C, Dustmann, N, Theodoropoulos, 2006):

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Valuable Message
Posted by: nc.webfut on Oct 18, 2007 7:06 PM   
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Regardless of how one views the message of the book, if the reader can get beyond his/her own biases, there is a tremendously helpful message for all people, black, red, yellow, brown or white. Because of the many different prejudices held by peoples, all cultures never provide an even playing ground. In our culture the best way to have a life offering meaningful choices is to attain as good an education as you can. We all must work to diminish prejudice, but to live a life using it as an excuse will most likely result in an unfulfilled life. Whether one finds Cosby's message abrasive, negative, lecturing, or whatever, he/she would be wise to heed its message.

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RE: Come On People!
Posted by: wsking on Oct 19, 2007 4:22 PM   
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OK Bill as an individual Black male I am willing to “Come On.” What must I do? What must I stop doing? If you can’t give me a definitive answer then you, Juan Williams, and Clarence Thomas should quit playing the fool and just up!

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Putting Cosby in Sociological Context
Posted by: halnon on Oct 19, 2007 5:28 PM   
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Bill Cosby does miss the sociological point of putting his comments in a clearer context of socially structured inequality. However, shouldn't we be more upset about the pejorative, hurtful, and stereotypical images promoted by other Black celebrities who profit more from advancing the "ghetto" image of African Americans than challenging them? Such as:
#1 song Solider Boy with the nauseating lyrics "super soak that ho, super soak that ho, super soak that ho;"
50 Cent: "two niggas in the front, two niggas in the back" and my "nine milimeter goes bang!" not to mention his fake bullet hole vests promoted as stylish fun;
"little homie" toys, one inch big, of little black guys and pit bulls that you can put in your objectifying to the extreme pocket (previously sold at Hot Topic)!
How about Snoop Dogg too, who "walks" prostitutes he calls "bitches" on leashes! (who Rollingstone named as "America's Most Lovable Pimp").
Cosby may be less than sociological, but he is at least pointing to some urgent social issues. For example, Bill Cosby scolded contentiously but also provocatively at the NAACP in 2004, "What the hell good is Brown v. Board of Education if nobody wants it?" Chris Rock chided similarly in his notorious comedy skit, "Blacks versus Niggers," about Hip-Hop's marketing of 'niggas" as "real." Rock sneered, "Yah, real dumb!" And Cora Daniels reprimanded in defense of her race in her recent book Ghettonation, "Not only are we embracing the worst but we are taking pride in doing so." (35) "Ghetto airs our biggest weakness for the world to see: self-hate. That is how Ghettonation thrives…If we respected ourselves, ghetto wouldn't have a chance." (71). "This 'no low' (no hopes, low expectations) combination is the foundation of ghetto" (85). Indeed, when "back in the day," "what up dawg," "motherf***a," "don't give a f***!," and "keepin it real" Ghetto Chic glamorizes an end to time/history specification as well as writing and speaking with "alternative" spellings, "alternative" endings, and "alternative" norms, what is avoided is the indignation we might otherwise feel about race and class specific inequalities in our educational system, and the social action we might engage in to correct for these collective inequalities.
Clarifying a central part of what is obscured behind the marketing of ghetto, Daniels, says, moreover, like Bill Cosby who, with a doctorate in education, stresses:
A startling 2004 study by the Civil Rights Project at Harvard University and the Urban Institute concluded that only 50 percent of Black students graduate from high school and only 53 percent of Latinos are graduating from high school. For male students, the figures are even worse. Only 43 percent of Black males and 48 percent of Latino males graduated." (156).
In other words, what is masked in the marketing and glamorization and defense of "ghetto" is the devastation of one of the most likely means of mobility upward and away from poverty, education.
That is one of Cosby's most important embedded sociological points!

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Democrats and Liberals are a thing of the past
Posted by: vicentelll on Oct 19, 2007 6:21 PM   
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I have been an activists for 39 years 24/7. I have been on the radio 12 years as Spanish talk show host. By definition I am a Democrat and a real liberal. This last 10 years I have known where a Republican stand. I don't like it but I know where they are at. With Democrats and Liberals today you don't know.
Tell me, what is so wrong with what Crosby said? I love being a Chicano but I say the same thing about the Hispanic community. The Hispanic community, especially in Texas has no real future now. Why? Because Democrats, Liberals and educated Hispanics don't tell them the truths. They just want there vote, support for the unions and a crowd for there meetings. And the hell with there future. Crosby is being soft because last time the Democrats, Liberals and uppity blacks did not like what he said.

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Barrington James
Posted by: BJ Barrington on Oct 19, 2007 6:29 PM   
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In order to try and understand just how much slavery can destroy the "psyche" of a people and just how difficult it is to rise above it , all one has to do is look at the descendants of the white slaves who were forced to come to America from about 1600 to 1800. To understand the destruction of these white slaves, who were the poor swept off the streets of London, the Irish victims of Oliver Cromwell and other such victims written, for example, in Robert Louis Stevenson book Kidnapped, all one has to do is look at the red-necks, the so -called white trash and the folks of Appalachia. It doesn't matter what color you may be, once the family and the culture is destroyed it is difficult to put them back together again. Perhaps Cosby does not know this.

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Intelligence and real courage
Posted by: jayfahey on Oct 19, 2007 8:18 PM   
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Bill Cosby, courageously, tells the truth.

And all of us, black and white, should pray that the larger black community listens to him.

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Bill Cosby is a Black Version of Bill O'Reilly - Cranky Gas Bags
Posted by: colleenwhalen on Oct 19, 2007 10:25 PM   
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It has been such a long time since Bill Cosby acted in a film or had a comedy special I cannot even remember. IMHO he is not a bankable actor and a has been as a comedian. The last really bit hit he had was The Cosby Show - wasn't that 20 years ago in the 1980's? His big movie "Leonard" was a huge flop and lost money. For at least the last 10 years, his "career" has been bashing black people and writing cranky articles and books.

Cosby started out "cool" and quasi-liberal in the 1960's when he was an up and coming star - then he got stinking rich and became a cranky, gas-bag, black-hating quasi-neo con.

Cosby reminds me of a black clone of Pat Buchannan and Bill O'Reilly - how are black people supposed to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" if they don't have boots? Our public schools are crappy - in my city which is the state capitol of Sacramento we have a 50% drop out rate among high schoolers. In LA where my two cousins are high school teachers they told me the norm is for high school principals to ENCOURAGE kids who earn D's and F's to drop out of high school early in order to RAISE TEST SCORES and earn funding for crappy schools.

Good paying unionized jobs have all been sent overseas to Third World countries like India, Phillipines, Malaysia. I used to earn $17 an hour in 1992 doing tech support for an 800 # call center - that job doesn't exist anymore - it was outsourced to India.

Military recruiters deliberately heavily target poor inner city high school kids LYING thru their teeth to recuit black teens to join the military. Look at who is dying in Iraq and there is an inordinate percentage of black soldiers being killed - far more than the 13% which is the population of black Americans.

With even WHITE middle class being forced into the ranks of the working poor - a nation which is sliding into a culture of Wal Mart jobs paying less than $10 an hour with no benefits, no health insurance - how much opportunity is there for young poor black youth who are pushed through crappy public schools - No Chid Left Behind is a huge failure, which primarily focuses on culturally biased test scores. Test scores have nothing to do with teaching curriculum - the teacher just teaches how to pass the test - not High Order Critical Thinking skills and curriculum knowlege.

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Once again, Alternet and the kneejerk...
Posted by: RHad on Oct 20, 2007 12:57 AM   
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Another misguided rush to judgment. You should read Cosby's book before even THINKING of posting -- without having read the book (which isn't out yet -- but yes, I've read it), you're either a windbag who sees the word "black" and wants to sound an alarm, or you're blindly commenting on the comments of other uninformed posters. Study conflict history, and you'll see this very pattern is at the root of hysteria (and the Iraq war!).

Cosby (you all do know that Bill Cosby is black, right?) anticipates the very generalized kneejerk criticism at the heart of Hutchinson's article, and soundly separates those who will make this illogical jump to calling him racist (the hastiest of all generalizations), from the astute and informed observations he's making about socio-economics in America.

FOR THE ALTERNET CROWD: COSBY'S NOT CONDEMNING ALL BLACK AMERICANS. His ire is for the system that has led countless poor communities -- and in certain parts of America, sadly many of these communities are still predominantly black (though that's changing) -- to subsist in a manner that is below their potential. What confuses me about some of these attacks on Cosby is that his underlying assumption about people (black, white, brown, green) is that we are all worth something. To attack that shows a frightening level of doubt in both self and society.

While I understand that it is Hutchinson's job to produce SOMETHING, this is an age-old ploy of sensationalizing a sensitive issue to inflame an uninformed -- and defensive -- community of concerned citizens. The result, unfortunately, is that otherwise thoughtful people often act against the very ideals at the heart of their concern, in the name of shouting down racism.

This time it's race. Next it will be sex. Then violence. Then poverty. These are issues, yes, but most of the time they're only part of the story.

Learn first. Be outraged -- if it's warranted -- after.

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Cosby
Posted by: playitsam on Oct 20, 2007 6:48 AM   
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Bill Cosby has it right. There is too much whining by too many in the Black Community about the alleged lack of "opportunity." The real problem is the failure of too many poor families - no matter what their color - to embrace education. When teachers try to discipline students, too many parents immediately rush up and accuse them of being bigots. Finally the kid gets out of control and suspension becomes the norm rather than the exception. Cosby grew up in a time when there were very minimal opportunities for people of color. The difference was, apparently, that he had parents who didn't allow him to wallow in self pity. Too many of the young Blacks kids embrace thuggery as a life style. Too many people see every conviction of a thug as another example of how oppressed they are. It's time to end it. I work for a large corporation that has large numbers of employees of color. There is no friction. My office director is a black woman who rose up the ranks of that company. Everyone in my office - black, white, Asian and every mix - were thrilled when she got the job. Cosby is right. Enough whining.

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Revolutionary Suicide
Posted by: dumdumboy on Oct 20, 2007 8:18 AM   
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Recently I received an e-mail from a brother-in-law, we're both white, with some silliness that Bill Cosby wrote, along with some comment such as 'Hey! It's not only us who are criticising them!'

I skimmed-over what was written, and shot-back an e-mail saying that I never wanted to read such trash again: that it was ridiculous for a millionaire to criticise someone who has to work two jobs to make ends meet for failing to properly supervise their children.

He e-mailed back saying that the e-mail had been sent to me by mistake, and that he would never do so again. Not exactly the response I'd hoped for, but I'll take it.

For all of those people who say that we should read Bill Cosby's book before criticisng it: excuse me, but the author of this piece has read it. I've read enough other things by Bill Cosby to know not to read this swill.

And if Bill Cosby is the only black author that you've read, please go to the library and take out the autobiographies of Angela Davis and Malcolm X, as well as George Jackson's collection of prison letters, "Soledad Brother." You'll be doing yourself a big favor.

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WAKE UP Americans
Posted by: tipemone on Oct 21, 2007 8:04 AM   
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You know, I have been following this trend for about 26 years now. I am an American of Italian descent. I grew up in a black neighborhood. All of my friends were black. I did not like whites for several reasons. I thought they unjustly had wronged the black race and had taken from them rights that any human being should have been given just because they were human. When I went into the Marine Corps, I was away from the people I grew up with and was exposed to a whole different world in which the black male thought that it was ok to disregard and disrespect others. This was not what I had experienced when I was growing up, and I became leery of the black race. (By the way, I say black because not all people of dark skin are American Africans)
When I came out of the Marine Corps, I actively looked for the differences between white and black America and saw, the dumbing down of a nation. The races were being MARKETED in a way to enable corporations an avenue to tap a market that had previously been left untouched. No morals were involved here, only the desire for wealth and power. The black race had been targeted as a dollar sign, and the only way to get that ball rolling was to have white America sympathize with black Americas struggle. All of the sudden we had a huge push of movies, music and sports (which are all coporation and media based) where blacks were shown as better than whites, stronger than whites, more talented than whites, funnier than whites, and had endured an overwhelming amount of racism that had hindered them from a fair starting point in the pursuit of happiness. In the interim, a vast majority of people began to shout that if you in any way, shape or form disagreed or had an opinion showing the discrepancies in this thought process, you were a racist. Of course, I always thought that was funny because I never have seen a White Entertainment Television station, nor have I ever seen a NAAWP, nor have I yet to see a White magazine, or any of the race separating MARKETING that goes over so well with black America, that would cause a race riot if white America did the same thing. Also, during this time, young black Americans were being told in their households that they were being unfairly treated by white America and that white America owed them something from years gone by. The big problem here is that the majority of young black America has never really faced the problems that older black Americans had. The media has had such influence over the thought processes of young America through the advertisement of their products, that Americans as a whole have fallen prey to someone elses drive for money. Black and white parents are failing their children daily by lowering their own personal standard of right, wrong, education, our language, etc...because the media has said it is ok to do so. Black and white hip-hop FOLLOWERS have developed their own language (Ebonics) just because it is MARKETABLE and will incite people to buy products that only serve to make corporate America rich. Example: Bling, Ice, bootylicious. These are now words that are recognized in our American dictionary as real words. How did they get that way? Corporate America allowed it for MARKETING purposes, in order to sell more jewelry, and dresses and records. In our pursuit of the all mighty dollar, we have made our children stupid. We have made them believe that they are being held down, racially profiled, and believe it is ok to be rebellious, uncaring, hard, all about me, look what I have overcome (they overcame nothing except their own stupidity) and a group of victims, instead of people with a positive thought process that have the benefit of man-kind and OUR country as a goal.

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Continue WAKE UP America
Posted by: tipemone on Oct 21, 2007 8:04 AM   
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I have very few black friends anymore. I live in a different state than I did when I was a kid. The blacks I see today, as a whole, look at me and think that I have an advantage over them, and that I owe them something be cause of the color of my skin. I don't. If anything, black America needs to understand that their idea of a racist mentality has been developed from being MARKETED over the last 25 years, and that the playing field is actually tipping in their direction.

Bottom line - quit trying to be a victim, and re-enter what used to be the mainstream of society, and many of those things will go away. Realize that you are being MARKETED, by Corporate America that is promoting separatism through their BLACK Magazines, BLACK Greeting Cards, Black TV Stations,

BLACK Holidays, BLACK College Funds, BLACK Miss America etc...just for the benefit of the CORPORATION. By keeping you angry at white America, keeps them in business and helps them get richer. WAKE UP!

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Reality
Posted by: magistre on Oct 21, 2007 3:52 PM   
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Reality is something most people don't want to see. reality is that what Bill Cosby talks about is not just true of some Blacks it is also true about poor Whites. Reality is that the conflict in this country is not and never has been a racial thing (although rascism has been used as an effective tool). The true conflict in the United States, the "dirty little secret" is that it has always been about class. Money is the root of all evil and most certainly in this country where we've all been bought and sold like so many sides of beef, color be damned!

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D Julian Terry
Posted by: D. Julian Terry on Oct 21, 2007 8:26 PM   
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Hey folks, dig this:
A guy does illegal drugs, abuses alchohol, engages in petty crimes at a young age, is not serious about his schoolwork, fails at business, even goes AWOL. Now, if this kid is poor and black, he would probably end up in prison or worse and be condemned by Cosby as the problem with Black America. If he is rich and white with powerful social and political connections, he becomes president of the United States! Is there a double standard here or what....

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