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Unintended Blogsequences

By Sean Gonsalves, AlterNet. Posted May 11, 2007.


The obvious upside of blogging is the advancement of public discourse democratization. But, with every technological advance, there's a Faustian bargain.
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Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. -- Andy Rooney

Technorati, a search engine that tracks blogs on the "World Live Web," has some interesting numbers.

At the time of this writing, Technorati was tracking 80.3 million blogs, noting that there are over 175,000 new blogs -- just blogs -- every single day. To break it down even further, bloggers put up 1.6 million posts per day, about 18 updates every second.

The obvious upside of blogging (and internet publishing, in general) is the advancement of public discourse democratization. But, with every technological advance, there's a Faustian bargain.

Of course, it's hard to argue with Technorati's appreciation of blog power. "Blogs are powerful because they allow millions of people to easily publish and share their ideas, and millions more to read and respond. They engage the writer and reader in an open conversation, and are shifting the Internet paradigm as we know it," according to their Web site.

While blogging has shifted the Net "paradigm" (one of the most overused words in the world of analysis, Thomas Kuhn would probably agree), I'm not so sure about the "open conversation" part.

My skepticism is based, in part, on an unintended consequence known as blogoreah, particularly in the anonymous, handle-name filled, political blogosphere. Although the internet can be a powerful organizing tool, a publishing house for the People and a quick-and-easy way to access porn, in the crowded political blog galaxy of cyberspace, Godwin's Law rules.

Godwin's Law is named after cyber lawyer Mike Godwin. Godwin's Law states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's blog links to Wiki, where you can learn that the concept was initially used in specific reference to Usenet newsgroups discussions but has since been applied to any threaded online discussion.

In Usenet tradition, when someone uses the Nazi/Hitler analogy, the thread is over and whoever keys the dissembling dis indicates he or she has "lost" the debate.

Wiki adds an important caveat: "Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis."

"However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction or diversion, to fallaciously miscast an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate."

There's an interesting philosophical discussion to be had about why Godwin's Law even exists, but there's no denying its unfortunate relevancy as it sucks the life out of any potentially fruitful dialogue like a giant black hole in cyberspace -- whether it's a discussion about gun control, abortion, or public smoking bans.

The common use of the Nazi/Hitler analogy, used across a wide variety of un-related topics, convinced Godwin that we're actually dealing with a bad meme; a net-culture virus that needs to be countered.

In a 1994 Wired article Godwin wrote: "the best way to fight such memes is to craft counter-memes designed to put them in perspective. The time may have come for us to commit ourselves to memetic engineering - crafting good memes to drive out the bad ones."

While the time is still ripe for countering the seemingly unabated Nazi/Hitler meme, what concerns me far more is what I'll call the Cyber Bubble Theory, which postulates that as blogs and internet news sites grow, the probability of having a meaningful national discourse approaches zero.

The internet has led to the creation of virtual communities where people can construct their own hermetically-sealed, opposing argument-proof, cyber bubble.

So I'm wondering: does a public common even exist anymore? If not, what does that say about the prospects for reaching consensus on important public policy questions -- a necessary component in any healthy society?

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Sean Gonsalves is a Cape Cod Times staff reporter and a syndicated columnist.

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Got that right.
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 11, 2007 3:38 PM   
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It's all about the numbers.

These laws are all extensions of the law that says as more idiots and scumbags find out about something cool on the internet, the less cool that thing becomes.

Music downloading, file sharing, online radio, blogs, YouTube, email, discussion boards, IM...etc. Believe it or not, these things were cool at some point in our history. But they've all been hijacked, corrupted, obstructed, weighed-down and bloated by idiots and scumbags.

So the next time you get a virus, pop-up window, chain e-mail, watch a crappy homemade video, or read yet another sarcastic rant :-), think of it as history in the making.

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What An Awesome "Law"!
Posted by: grumble-bum on May 11, 2007 6:20 PM   
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Not being all that web-savvy, I was not aware of this concept in the concrete until having read this post.

Hell, we've all done it (I'm blushing right now). It's great to hear that someone has codified a set of rules surrounding the abuse of the gratuitous Hitler comparison. Now, if only Alternet would apply it rigorously...

Wait, scratch that. If they did, Alternet would cease to exist almost instantly.

Too bad.

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» RE: What An Awesome "Law"! Posted by: talkville
Fashionable Nonsense?
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on May 12, 2007 2:23 PM   
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Where where the postmodern theory lecturers when the term 'genocide' was fraudulently invoked to justify the US/NATO war crimes commited against Kosovo? What about the commonplace defining of critics of US/Isreal policy as 'anti-semetic'? Apart from the proposed law being intellectual quackery, the fact that it is given attention is, I beleive, symptomatic of the willful irresponsability of much of the academic left in this country--

"George Orwell once remarked that political thought, especially on the left, is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of fact hardly matters. That’s true, unfortunately, and it’s part of the reason our society lacks a genuine, responsible, serious left-wing movement."
Noam Chomsky

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bloggsville
Posted by: www.rainbowlaw.com on May 13, 2007 5:54 AM   
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For now, the web is a real, working democracy. Blogs (and communicating over the web in general) is still in its infancy. As with any organic process, there will be good and bad experiences but in the end, the final result will be preferable over a system that is monitored and/or censored to eradicate unwanted speech.

Regarding the bubble issue, all one needs to do to burst a progressive bubble is read your local paper (if there is still such a thing), or turn on your TV or radio for 5 minutes a day.

As a lesbian (now in my 50's) who grew up in a small northeast mill town, I can only imagine what my life would have been like if, in my youth, I access to so many other ideas and lifestyles.

Carrie
Rainbow Law

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Flight
Posted by: mommy64 on May 13, 2007 12:50 PM   
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Responses within these fora to Naomi Wolf's "Ten Steps to Fascism," were outstanding and appreciated. Additionally, a poem for Anne Stevenson.

Flight
Firefly's flight, their mating chase
outshines the lamplight's glow
while auto clatter crosses bricks,
narrow, jagged patterned road.

Broken screens obscure embrace,
shaded, closed sleeping room,
where cotton coverlets, scented sheets
and feathery pillows ease.

Neither raindrops, nor lightening
appear, yet their flutter,
mother bat with pup, maneuvering
in the shaded sleeping room.

What is imagined, love's voice,
is fright, then cry of fear,
while firefly's flight, their mating chase
which outshines night's lamplight glow.

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Realy a problem?
Posted by: Monitor523 on May 13, 2007 2:30 PM   
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As a medium for public discussion and debate, the Web beats television, and even newspaper letter columns, hands down. But it's certainly not perfect. Not every problem has a technical solution, of course, but in this case, there are various things that can make the medium more useful.

To name just two features that more online media need to incorporate, I'll single out rating and filtering: if a poster or commenter - or even an individual post - is more widely respected, that should be apparent, and readers ought to be able (though not forced) to screen out the chaff and read in a more focused way. Posts and comments fitting Godwin's law presumably would get relatively little support. The forum "slashdot" has rankings for posts, and other forums have various systems - but given the proliferation of blogs, what's needed is a persistent online identity (as "blogger" provides) which is much more universally used than today, and allowing readers to filter out what is generally regarded as useless.

Many issues were resolved 20 years ago in USENET - what ever happened to killfiles, for instance?

All that said, if you look at any forum of public debate at any time in history, you find a lot of the same problems - not Hitler references, of course, but scurrilous rumors, hyperbole, scandal-mongering, etc. Newspapers from 18th century America are full of it. It's something people have to do to learn how to be respected. As the saying goes, "Good judgment comes from experience, which comes from bad judgment." The power of a democratic medium comes from not excluding voices which haven't developed that veneer of professionalism yet.

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From the fora...
Posted by: mommy64 on May 13, 2007 3:39 PM   
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"...and this means military, police, and various forms of social control and the infra-structure to maintain it..." What should be noted is that highly involved include NAFTA unchecked supporters, UNchecked globalization, and accelerating aggressive warfare, in union with hard-line right-wing evangelism. Having devastated their communities, they keep out of sight.

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» RE: From the fora... Posted by: mommy64
Not too fast on Law giving
Posted by: talkville on May 14, 2007 2:33 AM   
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"Cyber Bubble Theory, which postulates that as blogs and internet news sites grow, the probability of having a meaningful national discourse approaches zero."

Although valid to an extent, postulating such a claim as this seems at least to be a bit extreme. Any 'national discourse' by any medium whatever is affected by these criteria. Whether it is 'meaningful' or not, however, always depends on each one of us -- and the possibility of encountering views other than those fed to us in bytes and pieces by the more "traditional" media is always increased, again for each and every one of us. Overall, this would tend to also increase and not decrease our awareness of each other and the possibilities of VERY meaningful concerted actions to advance not only ourselves but the State and even the world as a whole.

P.S. As to the frequent "Nazi/Hitler" analogies which so easily gain access into blogs and conversations, these are easily understandable, considering our actual current affairs and eerie similarities to general Fascist ideologies prevalent not too far back in history - they can indeed be very appropriate and ought not be discounted simply because of their prevalence.

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Von Clausewitz
Posted by: mommy64 on May 14, 2007 6:42 AM   
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From a response to Fortune "New Management Strategies"

"Instead, the human elements were paramount: leadership, moral, and the almost instinctive savvy of the best generals."

"In current American parlance, the art of the broken-field runner was the key to success. Strategy was not a lengthy action plan. It was the evolution of a central idea through continually changing circumstances."

Kevin Peppard
Elyria, Ohio

*UNchecked globalization
*Accelerating aggressive warfare

Reagan (thru fora representing "John the Baptist," with Bush I, and Bush II "Christ,") but Dick Cheney, the weaver, "Hail to the chief: Dick Cheney's mission to expand -- or 'restore' -- the powers of the presidency," by Charlie Savage, Globe Staff. Now, Bush II spends every moment of his remaining presidency, executing Dick Cheney's plan. What disaster they've brought American citizens, with the president's restored power, and congressional/senate collaborators.

"evolution of a central idea"
*Unchecked globalization
*Accelerating aggressive warfare

Jack Welch read Peppard's column.

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