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Is Hip-Hop Really Dead?

By DaveyD , San Jose Mercury News. Posted March 3, 2007.


Recording executives are more interested in turning a quick buck than nurturing rap culture -- and they are behind the apparent demise of hip-hop music.
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Hip-hop icon Nas made the provocative statement, "Hip-hop is dead,'' in September and set off a firestorm of controversy. It was intensified by the January release of his album bearing the same title.

Many questioned why Nas would say hip-hop -- a worldwide phenomenon that has generated billions of dollars -- could be "dead.'' After all, more hip-hop albums are being released then ever before, and the music's influence extends to movies, corporate marketing and theater. That it's dead seems absurd -- until you realize Nas was looking beneath the surface.

He was speaking of the corporate side of the music and the mentality of executives more interested in turning a quick buck than nurturing rap culture. Nas realized sex, violence and bling, as themes for the music, had pretty much run their course. Album sales had plummeted, and ratings at hip-hop radio stations in New York, Los Angeles and elsewhere had hit all-time lows.

A number of people, including this writer, also had spoken out about mediocre product coming from some of the genre's biggest stars. Yet such talk was rebuffed by so-called industry experts, who blamed digital downloading and satellite radio.

We critics, however, were vindicated by a study published earlier this year by the University of Chicago. Data from the "Black Youth Project'' indicated that while 58 percent of blacks between ages 15 and 25 listen to hip-hop daily, most are dissatisfied with it. They find the subject matter is too violent, and women too often portrayed in offensive ways.

Such feelings hint at a dirty little secret of the music business: Blacks are used largely to validate musical themes being marketed to the white mainstream. In other words, while 90 percent of commercial rap artists on TV and radio are black, the target audience lies outside the black community.

Paul Porter, a longtime industry veteran and former music programmer at BET and Radio One, is now with the watchdog organization Industryears.com. He says the University of Chicago findings offer proof positive that commercial hip-hop has become the ultimate minstrel show, and rap artists are pushed by the industry to remain perpetual adolescents.

As a result, we watch Diddy, Cam'ron, DMX and others brag about wealth and throw bills at a camera while bikini-clad women gyrate in the background. Should these artists attempt to break out of the mold, they'd risk having their work questioned by record and radio executives.

In our conversation, Porter also pointed to something more sinister: payola. He claimed hip-hop is dead only because payola is rampant at labels intent on investing in songs with sexual and violent themes.

During a separate conversation, Questlove of the Roots supported Porter's allegation with his own story about the process behind the group's Grammy-winning hit with Erykah Badu, "You Got Me.'' He said the Roots had to pony up close to "a million dollars'' to a middle man who "worked his magic'' at radio stations.

Initially, the overtly positive song had been rejected, he explained, so palms were greased with the promise that key stations countrywide would get hot "summer jam'' concert acts in exchange for airplay. According to Questlove, more than $1 million in cash and resources were eventually laid out for the success of that single song.

In the documentary "Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes,'' shown recently on the PBS series "Independent Lens,'' filmmaker Byron Hurt confronts Stephen Hill, BET's senior vice president for programming, to ask why the cable network plays so many videos with misogynist and otherwise degrading themes. The fortysomething Hill walks away without answering. This is the same executive who refused to broadcast videos by the group Little Brother, because he considered their material "too intelligent'' for the BET audience.

With thinking like that, no wonder commercial hip-hop appears dead. It's the ideas of the gatekeepers that are dead.

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DaveyD writes a bi-weekly column for the MercuryNews.

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Wouldn't be the first time record execs killed a form of music
Posted by: lessbread on Mar 3, 2007 2:29 AM   
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They nearly killed off rock and roll in the late 50's early 60's - payola and Pat Boone. They morphed r&b into disco. They only picked up rock bands that sounded like last years big hits for most of the late 70's and 80's and they segregated music along color lines too... It's little more than product product product for them. Volume sold, not volume of soul.

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music isnt dead...just hiding
Posted by: dannrusso on Mar 3, 2007 3:31 AM   
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unfortunately, especially with the "mergers" (takeovers) of smaller record companies by larger ones, music is all about money. The US government sued a grandmother for thousands and thousands of dollars cause it could - because she was sharing music.

I have a feeling that I hope is right that there is an actual community just below the radio surface who are writing, performing, and finding a way to present real music. It is not just hip-hop that is getting a bad rap about this (he he) but almost every kind of music.

Unfortunately, people with money see art as a commodity, not as an extension of someone's soul. If you take the soul out of music, keep out the positivity, keep feeling (except for getting a feel of that ass) distant, you can keep the money rolling in because people don't have to think, they just have to react in the pre-programmed manner....

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I wish
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 3, 2007 3:34 AM   
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Hip hop is too annoying to go away anytime soon.

Most good music is underground. Once in a while, something half-decent breaks through the surface. This helps, because then you have an idea of where to dig for even better music.

A more rare exception is good music making a big break into the mainstream. I can't explain the late 60s or early 90s. If someone wants to have a go at it, I would be interested to hear your theories.

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» RE: I wish Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle
» Interesting hypothesis Posted by: psychochurch
» Thanks Posted by: kepstein7777
» The mainstream blows. DUH! Posted by: thistleblower
How Is It That A CD Costs More Than A DVD?
Posted by: hole11 on Mar 3, 2007 5:25 AM   
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Because it's new or just out on the market? I don't think so. The cost of an artist album on cd is perhaps eight dollars at the most and they are charging 20 dollars for 12 songs. Who in their right mind is going to buy it?

Music doesn't go away. Even Eminim put out a square dance song. Go figure.

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I Hope So
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 3, 2007 5:39 AM   
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If Hip-Hop had never happened or was swallowed up into the bowels of the earth, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. A bunch of misogynistic look at me smack chanted over a drum machine track just doesn't cut it. I love music and find great music in just about every type and variety, but HH grinds my ears and makes me want to hurt somebody- most likely the perp hurting my ears.

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» RE: I Hope So Posted by: anonymous black writer
» RE: I Hope So Posted by: anonymous black writer
Is Hip-Hop Dead?
Posted by: pcushniesr on Mar 3, 2007 5:54 AM   
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One can always hope.

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» RE: Is Hip-Hop Dead? Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Hip Hop has been dead and gone
Posted by: xenacat on Mar 3, 2007 6:07 AM   
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for many, many years. Its ghost lingers on in the form of "the ultimate minstral show". Great description by author. As long as the bigtime execs are making money, we'll continue to hear this slick, overproduced, racist, sexist and just plain creatively vacant "hip hop" crap. It is no more a viable, live creative meduim any more than any other area of creative endeavor that big business has co-opted. The bright side is that once every dime is sucked out of the genre, we won't have to hear it anymore.

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Let's hope so....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Mar 3, 2007 6:11 AM   
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I can only say that I am sorry that I am not the one to put a large caliber bullet through hip-hop's head(figuratively speakin'). Worst "musical" form to come along in my lifetime deserving of a cruel and violent end. Even worse than the syruppy musical forms of the 1930's. I can only hope that whatever replaces hip-hop as the next trend supplants the violence that this ghetto crap promotes with something more melodious and peaceful.

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» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: rotogrover
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: mercianomad
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: mercianomad
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: mercianomad
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: theCyclo
» RE: Let's hope so.... Posted by: pingoo
» RE: ekipnrut Posted by: huggybean
» RE: ekipnrut Thanks... Posted by: ekipnrut
Picasso Said It Best
Posted by: madmac10 on Mar 3, 2007 6:17 AM   
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"...Artists are indestructible; even in a prison... I would... paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell."

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I really hope so
Posted by: rhinojos on Mar 3, 2007 6:17 AM   
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Why people waste their time to listen to people who can barely sing and are accompanied by music straight out of a can, is beyond me. It is music literally computer generated, no real instrumenst to speak of. Just too weird...

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» Out Of A Can?!?!?!? Posted by: grumble-bum
» RE: Out Of A Can?!?!?!? Posted by: psyorg
» RE: I really hope so Posted by: sayswho
» RE: I really hope so Posted by: anonymous black writer
The quality has indeed gone down...
Posted by: chamizzle on Mar 3, 2007 6:25 AM   
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Hip Hop has been eroding since NWA released their first misogynistic and violent title (mid 90s?). After that, music industry executives saw that the majority of people wanted either gangsta rap or some kind of "booty-shakin" club crap. As a result, true hip hip, with emphasis on lyrical ability, has been shoved down the drain, because only a small segment will buy it.

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About Time
Posted by: rwmk12 on Mar 3, 2007 6:35 AM   
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The genre is dead. That goes for rap too. It's as stale as glam rock in the spinal tap years. Cookie cutter formula = a blackhole in music. Furthermore, it is a negative influence on young people... individualism, greed, violence, and objectifying women... I see why wealthy whites have promoted it and unfortunately american blacks have bought it... hook... line... and sinker. So hurray for the lonewolf rapper who has quashed any sense of community and unity in the black community... point for boomerang propaganda. And I know that hip hop started as a postive movement and was taken over and morphed by the industry, but that seems to happen with any progressive movements of the past... if you can't beat them... be them... and pervert their message.

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» RE: About Time Posted by: kittynboi
hip hop is on life support
Posted by: joser718 on Mar 3, 2007 9:20 AM   
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hip hop is on life support right now. the garbage put out by artists and record labels is horrible. as an educator in an inner-city high school, i see the effects of such negative music. teens are more mysogynistic than ever, more violent than ever, and without regard to authority figures, whether teachers, parents, adults, or law enforcement. all these messages are preached in mainstream rap. as much as i love rap, i refuse to support these mainstream artists. yet, groups like the roots, nas, mf doom, and other artists put out good music, but unfortunately they get little, if any, air play.
wake up mainstream rap! white america base their opinions of young black america on the music and videos YOU put out. college campuses all across the country have "gansters and hoes" parties, and i am sure they are based on these negative stereotypes you constantly perpetuate in mainstream rap.

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» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: veggiegrrrl
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: Shalimarali
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: sportypat
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: joser718
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: Shalimarali
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: fred_53_99
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: anonymous black writer
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: Shalimarali
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: anonymous black writer
» RE: hip hop is on life support Posted by: Shalimarali
I didn't think Hip Hop and Gangsta Rap were the same thing
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Mar 3, 2007 10:25 AM   
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I didn't think Hip Hop and Gangsta Rap were the same thing.
I thought HH was made by politically and socially evolved artists while Gansta Rap is the garbage that has destroyed a generation of young men and women with obsession of violence, drugs, money, sex, and prison culture.

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Left Wing blind spots
Posted by: PeaceLove on Mar 3, 2007 10:37 AM   
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Jeez, the hatred and intolerance of Hip Hop and Rap in these Comments is indeed something to behold! Leave it to Alternet readers to tar the whole spectrum of Hip Hop with the "violence and misogyny" brush. You sound just like parents in the early 1960s, those "squares" who didn't like Rock & Roll and never understood that Rock was and is about freedom and rebellion from the dysfunctional status quo.

Hip Hop is possibly the most important art form of the late 20th, early 21st century, a form that has influenced every aspect of modern popular culture. Hip Hop and Rap gave a voice to the most disenfranchised and reviled members of society -- young black males -- and empowered a generation of black entrepreneurs and artists.

Wholesale condemnation of an entire musical genre smacks more than a little of the kind of condescending racism reserved for "liberals" on the Left. Such denounciations basically parrot the mainstream Hip Hop bashing that has permeated corporate media for over a decade. If it weren't so proudly ignorant it might be more amusing.

The fact that commercial Hip Hop often sucks has nothing to do with the merits of the art form and everything to do with the greedy, unimaginative recording industry. In this, Hip Hop is no different from Rock and Roll, film, or journalism. The best and deepest stuff always emerges from the underground.

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» RE: Left Wing blind spots Posted by: Kap25
» RE: Left Wing blind spots Posted by: psyorg
Thoughts on the state of rap music
Posted by: chomsky on Mar 3, 2007 10:45 AM   
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I love rap music, and it's really sad what's been happening to it over the years. It's easy to understand why so many people hate it because of the direction mainstream rap has gone, with excessively poor quality of rap being pushed on the radio and in music videos.

The real appeal to rap is when it's used as a positive means of creative expression. There are countless examples of this, one you should all be familiar with is "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang. When you listen to a rap song like that, you are absorbed by the style and creativity, stimulated by the cleverness of the lyrics and rhymes, moved by the beats and the themes and the personalities expressing them. This is human expression at one of it's finest levels. Rap like this is not only great music, but a way of empowering and uplifting people, raising conscience awareness and helps people realize they are valuable.

Increasingly, radio stations and BET bury rap under a mountain of ignorant themes, degrading women, coveting money and material things, hate and violence, forgoing actual substance with stereotypes and tired slang. It's really sad the methodical way they are spoiling an entire art form. Music companies are taking rap music away from the people it is suppose to empower, returning it as a new form of oppression. They engineer ignorance by distributing degrading and destructive messages over catchy beats.

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Commercial Rap is on life support, not Hip Hop...
Posted by: sportypat on Mar 3, 2007 11:29 AM   
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COMMERCIAL Rap may be on life support but like every great innovative musical genre the groundbreaking, essential, great stuff is still underground. This music form began in the streets and was bastardized by everyone from corporate (white) america to older r&b artists. From the beginning in the streets of new york this music was about fun and one's individual poetic skills that when combined with textured, layered, complicated rhythms was genius. Examples: afrika bambataa, beastie boys, grandmaster flash, de la soul, the roots, the fugees, queen latifah, comon, taleb qweli, the dead presidents and mos def. Before you read the last rites for this music listen to some of these artists and tell me this art form is even close to being dead. The heart and the soul of this musical force is in the streets, always has been and always will be. The DNA is untouchable by anyone. There is horrible music in every genre including rap and no other music has been ripped off more than hip hop. This music has bounced around the world and come back in many different forms. No one dismisses bruce springsteen because of taylor hicks and paris hilton. You must know about the music before you can judge the music! Use the same barometer to judge this hip hop regardless of the commercial aspect....

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just more of the same...
Posted by: veronica on Mar 3, 2007 11:55 AM   
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It really saddens me that so much of the progressive-left community (read: white) dismisses hip-hop completely out of hand, when they fail to realize that the aspects of hip-hop culture that they find most abhorrent are the same aspects that are deliberately marketed by white music executives as a way to continue repressing the black community. While "gangsta rap" is marketed down our throats, it stifles any true understanding or compassion that could arise within the surburban kids who consume it, instead keeping everyone preoccupied with "diamonds on our necks and ice in our grills." So young black men are cast exclusively as dangerous, glamorous criminals, easy for the white community to dismiss and easy for their children to admire, while all hip-hop with a positive message of unity is kept beneath the radar. It is sinister and deliberate.

As a disclaimer, I'm a young white chick, but I live in the East Bay and love hip-hop. Some of the best acts out there have never come near a radio station (except for Davey D's show on KPFA, which is amazing). It saddens me that my peers assume I'm selling out to "thug life" because I listen to hip-hop, but I love it as an intelligent, socially-conscious and ever-changing art form, and the last extant form of lyrical poetry in our popular culture. By finding good acts on your own, it's possible to screen out all the garbage mass-marketed to us and find some real gems. Check out The Living Legends, Hieroglyphics, and Lyrics Born for music with a positive message that won't put you in mind of a music video.

Anyone in the white community who wholly dismisses hip-hop culture as offensive and dangerous is simply buying into the divide-and-conquer strategies used against us by corporate suits to discourage any thoughtful discussion about hip-hop's true cultural value. The bigotry I've seen on this message board is disheartening, to say the least.

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» great post Posted by: anniedine
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» RE: just more of the same... Posted by: anonymous black writer
Hip Hop isn't dead, its dying slowy.
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Mar 3, 2007 12:14 PM   
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The mantra of sex, drugs, bling, gang violence, pimping, and money keep coming home in the form of drive-by murders. The Black culture has been Carjacked for this melody of brainless instant systemic gratification. Substituting misguided machismo for more sensible values has denied millions a way out of their personal hells. Hip Hop won't die until its culture of violence commits suicide.

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verses
Posted by: rah on Mar 3, 2007 12:23 PM   
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in my opinion music like hip-hop is eternal. maybe, an esoteric style of hip-hop is passing, but the genre itself won't evaporate. although, i do not listen and see alot of hip-hop it still has a place in my life.... where is there a powerful movement without profiteers?

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What?
Posted by: doctorsquared on Mar 3, 2007 12:52 PM   
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While MTV hip hop does all the things decried in the article and comments (glorifying violence, misogyny, etc.), the underground variety does not.

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For those looking for hope
Posted by: weatherguy on Mar 3, 2007 2:35 PM   
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Checkout People Under the Stairs. I'm with those that find mainstream hip-hop a barren landscape. PUTS has re-invigorated my appreciation of hip hop. The beats just are so true. I recently got the OST and the Stepfather album.

Don't dismiss hip hop yet. It lives and its heart beat is strong.

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» RE: For those looking for hope Posted by: madmac10
Sure
Posted by: rwmk12 on Mar 3, 2007 1:45 PM   
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Individualism is a divide and conquer trick. There is nothing wrong with being an individual, but there is something wrong with putting yourself above others. If it's all about my crib, my car, my cash, and my jewels... how is my neighbour making out? Who cares is the message, and within all the american promotion of the heroic "individual" resides the defense of greed, selfishness, and the capitalist way. Fact is that cooperation will always win the day, and promoting otherwise is just a cloaked attempt of the very wealthy to keep their "jewels". Hence the music industry's promotion of Rap gangsters. Freedom of speech? Black Power? Nope. More like Black disempowerment... Plus, it helps that it makes white people afraid of them too. Divide and conquer.

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» RE: Sure Posted by: neosoul
there was always underground hip hop
Posted by: kelt65 on Mar 3, 2007 3:03 PM   
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Paris, The Coup, KRS-1, Hi-Tek, Mos Def

you won't hear talk about bitches and bling from them

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Michael Franti & Spearhead
Posted by: felipe on Mar 3, 2007 3:18 PM   
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Lyrically intelligent & positive, and musically credible hip hop

spearhead on myspace

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» RE: Michael Franti & Spearhead Posted by: veronica
Funny how some whites can hear black rap...but are deaf to
Posted by: ekipnrut on Mar 3, 2007 3:32 PM   
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the sound of TWENTY YEARS of white murderous(literally) hate rage:
From 1988 Time article: (referring to racist skinheads)
Still, members have been arrested for distinctly unsymbolic criminal vandalism and assault in California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, Florida and Massachusetts. Their makeshift uniform makes them recognizable everywhere: shaved heads and garish tattoos, flight jackets, black English work boots -- and a California touch, Fred Perry tennis shirts. Skinhead culture seems to spread through racist rock music. Tapes and records by white- power rock groups feature songs such as Nigger, Nigger and Prisoner of Peace, the musical saga of Rudolf Hess. One group is called the Final Solution.
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Also Google these two up..especially the second, bringing things up to a couple of years go...(I can't hyperlink):
(Google search words are : 'racist','music' , 'nazi' in that order)
Poisoning the Web - Neo-Nazi Skinheads and Racist Rock: Youth ...
Neo-Nazi Skinheads and Racist Rock: Youth Subculture of Hate ... Music is the Skinhead movement's main propaganda weapon and its chief means of attracting ...
www.adl.org/poisoning_web/racist_rock.asp - 31k - Cached - Similar pages
Neo-Nazi Hate Music: A Guide: Introduction
In the United States, racist songs praising the Ku Klux Klan or promoting ... Neo-Nazi Hate Music: A Guide RULE Introduction. Posted: November 4, 2004 ...
www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/music.asp?xpicked=5&item=music
I am no defender of 'gangsta' rap......my point is that the
big tent of 'hate' music...broadly defined...self hate..misogyny
religion based..etc.,etc.....has several rings.

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The rebirth of hip hop after the death of modern commercial rap
Posted by: chomsky on Mar 3, 2007 5:00 PM   
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People on this forum have really good taste in rap. These are just some of the names other people have mentioned in their posts:

Afrika Bambataa, Grandmaster Flash, De La Soul, Mos Def, MF Doom, Taleb Kweli, The Roots, Dead Prez, Mos Def, and Lyrics Born

All of these people are incredible music artists. It surprises me that so many people on this forum know about good rap music. This gives me some hope about the future of hip hop. If Nas and this article's author are correct in saying that commercial rap as we know it is dead, then their is a chance that quality rap may take it's place in mainstream culture. If people like us keep supporting quality rap, listening with friends and spreading by word of mouth, quality rap music will stay alive in the underground could make a return to popular culture. Rap music could finally take it's rightful place as the respectable and profound art form that it is.

I for one would be happy to finally hear some rap on the radio that doesn't suck.

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Ouch, so many haters! Good hip hop lives.
Posted by: boygranddakar on Mar 3, 2007 5:18 PM   
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Wasn't it just last year that Dave Chappelle's Block Party came out? Dead Prez, Blackstar, Bilal, Common, not to mention the ladies, Erykah Badu and Jill Scott. Chappelle has used his star power to bring smart hip hop to the masses. The Roots are still kickin, MeShell Ndegeocello, Jurassic 5, Ozomatli incorporates rap in their work.... There's life yet. And that's not even going underground with Paris and all them.

With the internet changing music distribution channels, good hip hop will always find a way.

I'm so glad, though, that some people on this post leaped to the defense of hip hop. So many haters! Damn! Get a music education before you criticize, people.

Country and western music is not my cup of tea, but even I know better than to make a broad, sweeping generalization about how "it's all crap" yadda yadda. I could say, "Oh yeah, C&W is just a bunch of racist, misogynistic rednecks who twang guitars and sing about how America is going to kick Iraqi and immigrant ass," but I also know there are artists like Willie Nelson, the Dixie Chicks, and Lyle Lovett out there who buck that stereotype.

Think about where the hate comes from, y'all.

Big ups to Davey D for keeping the critique alive and fighting for the soul of hip hop. And he nails the problem: suburban white kids with the disposible income to buy all the rap albums at retail who want to purchase a piece of gangsta life. I'm not saying they're the only ones who fall for the posturing, but they are primarily driving the market. And rap artists who wanna get paid know where the money is and fall in line. It's a bad relationship.

Davey - follow up with a list of hip hop artists who are staying true to the political roots of hip hop. That would be a public service.

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Hopefully
Posted by: drblack on Mar 3, 2007 8:28 PM   
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How many Rap entertainers or top forty entertainers today.....Play instruments,sing a melody ,write and produce their own songs.
There are very few who do. Sampling other peoples songs or using pre-programed beats is NOT music.
Rap may to some may be entertaining and it also may be poetry...but it is rarely music.
That said the advent of MTV and only 5 record labels and few independent radio stations has led to the demise of music as other than product.
It is like comparing Mom's delicious and nutritious home cooked meals to eating fast food from rat infested ratraunts.
Record companies used to nuture artists they believed in ,now and since the early 80's an artist has to do it themselves and only once they have sold a few hundred thousand copies will record companies pay attention.
The pussy crap dolls are the kind of trash we get these days. With electronics that correct bad pitch anyone can sing.
Thank goodness for underground stuff. It has always been where the best music has come from.

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Social conditioning is the name of the game
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 4, 2007 12:26 AM   
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I always find it interesting that people who complain about violent and misogynistic rap music almost never apply that criticism to heavy metal, or to traditional Ivy League culture a la Larry Summers ("women can't do science") and to the backbone of American industry, i.e. weapons manufacturing.

Speaking of heavy metal and rap music, see this clip: Public Enemy and Anthrax: Bring the Noise.
Lyrics:
"Never badder than bad 'cuz the brother is madder than mad
At the fact that's corrupt as a senator
Soul on a roll, but you treat it like soap on a rope
'Cuz the beats in the lines are so dope
Listen for lessons I'm saying
Inside music that the critics are blasting me
For they'll never care for the brother and sisters
Now across the country has us up for the war.
We got to demonstrate, come on

They're gonna have to wait 'till we get it right
Radio stations I question their blackness
They call themselves black. but we'll see if they'll play this"

It's pretty simple to understand: record company executives aren't into promoting music that attacks the corrupt status quo, whether it's the Dixie Chicks("I'm ashamed of Bush") or Eminem ("the FCC won't let me be, they try to shut me down on MTV"). Then there's the old plantation strategy of keeping the poor whites and the poor blacks at each others throats (that Anthrax/Public Enemy mix will confuse a fair number of people).

It's very evident that popular music and television both have a huge effect on the so-called 'American pysche' - just witness the military recently going to Fox and telling them to stop using torture on '24' because of the effect it was having on soldiers in Iraq. The corporate entertainment media is going to promote the corporate view of things, which is largely pro-Bush and pro-fascist, unpleasant as that may be. They'll try and keep the traditional race/sex/class stereotypes as well. While some may call it conspiracy theory, it appears to be a deliberate strategy for maintaining social control over the population, in Chomskyan terms: Necessary Illusions are needed to keep the public in line.

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So Typically Alternet
Posted by: gellero on Mar 4, 2007 12:35 AM   
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Something's not popular, and the White man and Business types are to blame......?????

I say we Demand the government bail out unemployed rappers and give the best and the brightest Goverment loans and grants to go to Julliard. NO RAPPER LEFT BEHIND. INCLUDING EMINEM

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Y'all Are LAZY
Posted by: gellero on Mar 4, 2007 12:53 AM   
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any of y'all who thinks the world is truly deprived and repressed by 'The Man' vis a vis Hip Hop and Rap can get off his (or Her) fat and lazy ass and broadcast it as INTERNET 'RADIO' at virtually no cost with MILLIONS of potential listeners eagerly awaiting your contribution to popular culture.
When I feel in an anarchistic/destructive mood, I will broadcast 'CocaineRadio' via MacStreams.com . Theapplication to do this is called 'nicecast'. So quit WHININ' & BITCHN' about 'The Man' and do something POSITIVE

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» RE: Y'all Are LAZY Posted by: anonymous black writer
I can't beleive how lame that post just was.
Posted by: chomsky on Mar 4, 2007 1:46 AM   
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Do you always promote your internet radio station by mentioning it on websites after insulting everyone on that website? Is this how you "stop bitchin" and do something "positive"?