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The Media Escalates Its Lies about Iran

By David Swanson, davidswanson.org. Posted February 12, 2007.


Reporters from the New York Times and others are trying to convince us that this time around, we can trust the U.S. intelligence community's evidence of Iran's bad intentions, but where is the evidence?
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The mainstream media's most recent justification that the Bush White House is telling the truth about Iran and the need to start another war is, incredibly, that the administration used lies to start the last one. That's right, according to the latest dispatch from the Associated Press, "No one who has seen the files has suggested the evidence is thin. But senior officials -- gun shy after the drubbing the administration took for the faulty intelligence leading to the 2003 Iraq invasion -- were underwhelmed by the packaging."

See? It's just the "packaging." They've got solid proof, and they're even being extra careful in presenting it to us, because we were so hard on them last time. In fact, you can tell just how careful these senior officials are being from the fact that in all the articles in all the newspapers, so many of them (or is it all one guy?) are never identified by name.

The New York Times has even abandoned its stated policies in order to rush these careful claims out without naming any sources. Jonathan Schwarz has argued that the unsourced "reporting" of Michael Gordon, whose Times piece this Sunday on Iran's supposed connection to Iraqi insurgents was recently attacked for this, is hardly distinct from the transcribed statements anonymous government officials might leave on a voice-activated answering machine.

Gordon defended himself in an e-mail exchange with a Times reader this weekend, in which the reporter explained:

"I am well aware of the controversy over the WMD intel. I think this case is different. The US intelligence community is not on the outside looking in, as was the case with the WMD intel. The US is in Iraq and this largely reflects intelligence gathered on the battefield. At any rate, I spend some time talking to a range of officials on this issue and quoted the intel reports accurately." [sic]

So, you see? This case is different. This time we can trust the "intelligence" sources. Because, last time, we'd merely had crews of trained inspectors swarming the country for years, and they reported confidently that there weren't any WMD there. This time, we have amateurs observing the situation in the middle of guerrilla warfare, and they say they've got the goods but can't reveal them. So, you see, it's different.

The headline on the AP story mentioned above reads "U.S. Considers Proof About Iran: Government Weighs How Much to Divulge About Iraq Connection." The authors of the piece, Katherine Shrader and Anne Gearan, assure us that there is 200 pages of proof, but that sadly and inexplicably it's classified. Of course, "No one who has seen the files has suggested the evidence is thin." Another way to say this might be: "No one who would suggest the evidence was thin has been permitted to see the files." It sounds less impressive that way though.

Who has seen the 200 pages? Well, Shrader and Gearan report that "officials from several intelligence agencies scrutinized the presentation to make sure it was clear and that 'we don't in any way jeopardize our sources and methods in making the presentation,' State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said." Now, does anyone recall any concerns that previous presentations have been unclear? My memory suggests that the reason for the "drubbing the administration took" was that they blatantly lied, not that they wrote poorly. And, since when does one PR flack at the State Department get to explain the concerns of several intelligence agencies?

National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley claims the White House is the reason for the delay in making public the "proof," and he claims the White House is trying to get the intelligence community (is it really a community?) to weaken, not strengthen, its claims. However, the National Journal reports:

At least twice in the past month, the White House has delayed a PowerPoint presentation initially prepared by the military to detail evidence of suspected Iranian materiel and financial support for militants in Iraq. The presentation was to have been made at a press conference in Baghdad in the first week of February. Officials have set no new date, but they say it could be any day.

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Since When?
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 12, 2007 12:21 AM   
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When exactly has our intelligence EVER been good in this part of the world? It sucked in the days of the Shah & it sucked all through the 1980's and 1990's- even when they were interested in knowing what the intelligence really showed.

The US has never had decent human intelligence in the Middle East/SW Asia and has instead relied upon satellites and signals intelligence plus 3rd party human intel. When you rely upon the intel from another nation, how do you know it is accurate, plausible or unfiltered? You don't.

Under the best of situations (President wise) it's as dodgy as hell, with BushCo it's like giving matches and gasoline to a toddler.

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» RE: Since When? Posted by: Conservasaurus
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» RE: Since When? Posted by: blitzmesser
» Crayons anyone! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Huh? Posted by:
» RE: Huh? Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: Huh? Posted by: willymack
» RE: Since When? Posted by: pomes
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» Please do some research..... Posted by: Conservasaurus
Even if it's true..
Posted by: edith on Feb 12, 2007 1:12 AM   
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why should we attack Iran? The Iranians probably are assisting Shia forces in some fashion. Duh. US forces occupy Iraq and sit near Iran's border. How did we react to Soviet missiles in cuba? (Threaten to blow up the world, that's how!).

Removal of US forces from the Persian Gulf region takes the steam out of Iran and Al Queda. The Arab states won't passively sit by and allow the Iranian Army to roll from Tehran to Jerusalem. US presence in the Middle East simply allows the mullahs to distract Iranians' from their miserable, incompetent economy.

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» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: Arvy
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: Arvy
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» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: justaguy
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» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: justaguy
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: ven if it's true.. Posted by: Arvy
» RE: Axis of Evil Changed Everything Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Axis of Evil Changed Everything Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Axis of Evil Changed Everything Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: This is Evil here too Posted by: Mycos
Who are these "intelligence people"
Posted by: cordas on Feb 12, 2007 1:53 AM   
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They sound far more like school yard bullies and trouble makers to me than people who can be trusted to make decisions of this important nature.

This is exactly what was done in the lead up to the 2nd Gulf / Iraq War. Spurious intelligence was used misused abused and blatently made up, threats where made (both verbal and physical) until the "world" was convinced that not only was a war inevitable but it was the only viable option. The same is happening again, the only question is who will break first and launch the 1st attack the Isrealies or the US, I don't think it will be the Iranians, no matter how hard bush pushes them.

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At last someone gets it.
Posted by: polyquat50 on Feb 12, 2007 1:55 AM   
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"Aiding a nation in repelling a foreign occupation is not grounds for war."

I was flabbergasted last weeks about US govt remarks about Iran 'interfering' in Iraq. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

If the bully from downtown starts beating up your neighbours, you're supposed to turn a blind eye? Or is that what is meant by "the American way"? Matches with what is obviously the vision of 'truth' and 'justice'. May be we should rephrase the famous quote – “Truth and Justice, the American Way” (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

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Long live Hans Blix
Posted by: reinaldok on Feb 12, 2007 4:05 AM   
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Hans Blix should be considered the person of the century. It is truly amazing how nobody in a leading position would listen to him and his associates. The demos are now fudging and flitting around the subject. They are as bad as the neo-cons.
The NY Times has because of its own ignorance or stupidity, take your pick, has become a supermarket trash tabloid. I still read the Times, but only for their coverage of Travel and Kitchen. The rest is plain junk.

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» RE: Long live Hans Blix Posted by: Conservasaurus
It's deja vu all over again
Posted by: Democritus on Feb 12, 2007 4:56 AM   
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Yogi Berra had it right. We've seen all this before. The reaction of our mainstream media is like Charlie Brown'a believing that Lucy won't take away the football before he kicks it. Where does Charlie Brown always wind up? Flat on his back. It is unlikely that our corporate media is so gullible. It is more likely that they are in collusion with an Administration that is determined to engage in more wars to ensure that the petrodollar doesn't become the petro-euro.

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» Flat on his back. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Even if the evidence IS True
Posted by: Traven on Feb 12, 2007 4:56 AM   
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SO WHAT?

Guess what?

Iraq is in the local neighborhood of Iran: of course they are going to "meddle". It's is THEIR region of the world.

Get over Republican war whores.

Just like America "meddles" in Mexico all the time....

Americans should thing about better ways to spend 2 billion a week other than killing people and when frustrated that your war plans are stupid, overreaching and ill-conceived don't lash out at another country, in yet another attempt to cloud the issues and divert world opinion from the original lie.

If during WWII Hitler had made a speech saying American daylight bombing was the reason he had to invade Italy-every sound person would have laughed out loud and made crude jokes...knowing he was just trying to prop up his Italian buddy and trying to stop the American forces from opening a third front... It would have been at best a self-deceiving diversion.

This is just another self-deceiving diversion in a long line of world class stupid diversions.

Americans must face the fact that our word is shit to the rest of the world because of what the Rebublican lie machine and their little whores in the media have gotten us into, our leaders are incompetent whether they are Democrats or Rebublicans.

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» RE: ven if the evidence IS True Posted by: hotlipsin61
Dr. I am having this recurring nightmare were...nm
Posted by: brad on Feb 12, 2007 5:14 AM   
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nm

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The irony
Posted by: malaparte on Feb 12, 2007 5:28 AM   
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So supposedly we have Iran, a Shia country, supplying Iraq with weapons where most of them are used not on our troops but on Iraq's Shia population. There's a site Iraq Slogger written by soldiers over there where people are speculating that the weapons used to down our helocopters came from China. Makes more sense than what the Out house is puttting out.

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Phyllis Bennis on Iraq and NY Times
Posted by: wawa on Feb 12, 2007 6:40 AM   
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On Feb. 10, 2007 at a SABEEL [Arabic for THE WAY] Conference in Birmingham, Phyllis Bennis Co-Chair of US Campaign to End Israeli Occupation, stated:

“I actually agreed with NY Times columnist, David Brooks the other day. He wrote,

‘The US has always exercised as much power as it could’ but while he celebrated this fact, I thought about American hegomony and hypocrisy...

"Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons. Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is!

"The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it. The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington, the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq, are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond...

"The USA is trying to build a coalition of ‘Moderates’-meaning the one’s we like, which all happen to be monarchies and dictatorships. .....Dr. Phyllis Bennis, author, Mid East analyst and activist.

MUCH MORE on WAWA:

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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Well written and entertaining...
Posted by: rwa on Feb 12, 2007 7:23 AM   
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and given the last two paragraphs, it's hard to find fault with.

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So Called "Evidance"
Posted by: itchyvet on Feb 12, 2007 7:26 AM   
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Really had to laugh at the reported evidance claimed found in Iraq that's supposed to support the Administrations claims Iran is somehow assisting their enemies in Iraq to fight the Americans. LOL.
The evidance consisted of photos of amunition supposedly made and supplied by the Iranians complete with date and batch numbers of the manufacturer. DUH !
And Americans all over are swallowing this bullshit hook line and sinker once again.
They haven't the brains to work out Iranians speak a different language then them, ie, FARSI, thus anything they manufacture would have FARSI writting upon it. CAPICE ?
To make matters worse, Iranians do not follow our calender, they have their own, and mark months/days/years totaly different from ours.
Yet, strangely, it would appear they're gonna do us all a favour and mark the ammo they supposedly supply the Iraqis with in ENGLISH, DUH, just so we can use it as evidance against them ????
Do Americans really seriously believe Iranians would be so stupid ?

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» RE: So Called "Evidance" Posted by: gltirebiter
We should be flattered
Posted by: chaoslegs on Feb 12, 2007 7:36 AM   
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It is so nice to see Iran playing the role of Superpower during the Cold War. Isn't mimicry the highest form of flattery?

If they are supporting insurgents in Iraq, isn't that similar to the US support "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan against the occupying Soviets in the 80s? There are many more examples of US "aid" in conflicted areas, but I thought the above example would be the clearest.

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Oooh! Please don't yell at me again!
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 12, 2007 7:36 AM   
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The drubbing the administration took over Iraq? WHAT drubbing?! You mean, the "strongly-worded" opposition? The fact that the MSM "news" stenographers are just now talking about the lies, several years too late? The toothless non-binding resolution that Congress cannot agree on? The fact is, the rhetorical "drubbing" means nothing, because the Bush Lunatics still get to do whatever the hell they want , with no actual, meaningful, lawful or physical constraint.

"Sticks and bones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Remember that one? That has been the extent of the big, bad, "drubbing": words. Words that mean nothing to destructive megalomaniacs. We fiddle while Bush burns everything in sight.

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Taylor Mash mocks the msm:
Posted by: rwa on Feb 12, 2007 7:39 AM   
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Breaking News: Americans caught with Iranian Weapons in Iraq


United States officials in Baghdad were reported to be in possession of Iranian made weapons. In a brazen display of "intelligence", the Americans proudly showed off their Iranian-made weapons to reporters:

The BBC's Jane Peel attended the briefing in Baghdad, at which all cameras and recording devices were banned.

Examples of the allegedly smuggled weapons were put on display, including EFPs, mortar shells and rocket propelled grenades which the US claims can be traced to Iran.

"The weapons had characteristics unique to being manufactured in Iran... Iran is the only country in the region that produces these weapons," an official said.

At a briefing today in Baghdad, US officials accused Iran of arming al-Sadr's Mahdi Army in Iraq:


The defense analyst said Iran was working through "multiple surrogates" — mainly "rogue elements" of the Shiite Mahdi Army...

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And the Saudi support for the Sunnis? Dead silence from the media!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 12, 2007 7:53 AM   
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Of course the Saudis don't want to see Iranian-friendly Shias take over Iraq either, and so they have almost certainly tried to aid some Sunni groups, using their covert networks. It could be the same in Iran - or in Jordan - or in Syria. BUt it could be neither, as well, since Paul Bremer just stated he had no idea what happened to over a 100 tons of cash in the form of $100 bills stacked on pallets. Here you have a goverment-media complex that can't keep track of huge bundles of cash, who've lied repeatedly, and who expect to be believed when they make a statement about "Iranian support for Iraqi guerillas?"

This war has at least revealed the dishonesty and corruption present in the US corporate media system - more and more people are recognizing that the televison and newspaper news is mostly just pro-government propaganda that supports the interests of the people who control the media - Big Oil, Big Pharma, Wall Street, etc.

The difference is striking when you look at real news and analysis from the Middle East:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB13Ak02.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB13Ak04.html

Just read this excerpt from another ATO story, Black Hawks down in Iraqi quagmire
By Iason Athanasiadis, Feb13 2007


"There's been an ongoing effort since we've been here to target our helicopters," said Major-General William Caldwell, the US chief military spokesman. "Based on what we have seen, we're already making adjustments in our tactics and techniques and procedures as to how we deploy our helicopters."

In the past, defensive measures have included flying lower and faster, varying routes and using zigzag patterns when traversing dangerous areas. US helicopters in Iraq are also armed with defensive aid suites (DAS), anti-missile systems such as flares and anti-heat-seeking devices.

The most basic DAS system includes a laser-warning detector and multi-spectral smoke and counter-fire as countermeasures. "DAS are only of use against guided weapons," said Spencer. "There's almost nothing that can counter a bullet in a soft spot, nor an RPG-7 fired at an airframe." RPG-7 is a handheld grenade launcher.

In December, Khudair al-Murshidi, a spokesman for Iraq's Ba'ath Party, announced that Sunni insurgents had received shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, adding that "we are going to surprise them", in a reference to US forces.

Four of the helicopters crashed in Sunni areas, with another shot down during fighting between the US and Iraqi armies and cultists in the Shi'ite stronghold city of Najaf in southern Iraq.


So let's see - the Iranians are arming the Sunnis? Looks like the Baathists are arming the Sunnis - maybe with some of Paul Bremers cash? In contrast to ATO, a search of the NYT for "Baathists" turns up nothing on this issue - just a lot of negative pieces on Iran and positive pieces on Saudi Arabia. Judith Miller all over again...

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» Twilight in the Desert, by Matt Simmons Posted by: thoughtcriminal
Gary J Minter
Posted by: garyjminter on Feb 12, 2007 9:05 AM   
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The whole sordid story is told well in "Vice: Dick Cheney and the Hijacking of the American Presidency" by Lou DuBose and Jake Bernstein. Obviously the major news media don't want to give the full, true story, because the wealthy families which own them are part of the corporate power structure of the United States, and benefit financially from the oil and military contracting...For example, who owns NBC? General Electric, one of the largest military contractors!

Yet, it is a mistake to focus only on George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Condi Rice, and the other "neocons."
Many corporations and "silent partners" who own, control, work for, and invest in companies like Halliburton, Kellog Brown and Root, General Electric, Bechtel, Boeing, and the major oil companies and defense contractors are also to blame for our misguided foreign policy over the past 30 years.
Many Democrats also are major stockholders in these firms; Lyndon Johnson was the major political "angel" for Brown and Root during the Vietnam War, and his widow Lady Bird wound up as the largest single stockholder of Brown and Root for a time....is it a coincidence that Brown and Root was awarded the federal contract to build Cam Ran Bay Naval Base in Vietnam, the largest single military contract in US history?

Sadly, too many "public servants" of both major parties have financial interests in the military and oil companies, and they have allowed their personal and family financial interests to dictate US foreign policy, earning us the hatred of many people around the world, especially Arabs, Iranians, and others living in oil-producing nations who know that the USA has selected, financed, and controlled corrupt and dictatorial puppet leaders like the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein, over the past 30 years...

So, we must take an honest look at leaders of both parties, and their corporate donors, and also at the wealthy families in the US who really own and run our news media and our government through their loyal agents like the Bushes and Cheneys. These same families own and control the major news media of America, including the New York Times, Washington Post, NBC, and all major TV and radio networks....There is no truly free, independent press in the USA anymore, there hasn't been for a long time....

Gary

Gary J. Minter
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ANNA NICOLE SMITH WAS SMUGGLING CUBAN PLUTONIUM!
Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 12, 2007 9:36 AM   
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This just in:

Florida investigators today have sealed off the hotel where super-addict Anna Nicole Smith died last week. A White House containment team arrived on scene at 8.55am EST and declared a 5-mile "citizen exclusion zone." On their way to "news efficiency concentration centers," reporters from MSNBC and CBS noted a large convoy of NRC decontamination equipment headed for the hotel.

SecDef Robert Gates has leaked key documents to Chris Matthews that implicate Anna Nicole Smith and her attorney, Howard K Stern, in an elaborate Cuban plot to smuggle enough plutonium to Tehran to produce 7 nuclear devices. It is thought that Smith and Stern were stockpiling perscription drug containers for the smuggling operation.

Bombing will begin in 5 minutes...

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Roman Letters & Arabic Numbers. How considerate
Posted by: Spiritof1776 on Feb 12, 2007 11:05 AM   
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Given that Farsi is written with Arabic characters, I think that it was very considerate of the Iranians to mark their purported weapons of limited destruction with text in Roman letters and regular Arabic numbers.

I'm convinced. By the way, why would anyone dealing in covert weapons put serial numbers on them, in the first place?

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How about the rest of IEDs?
Posted by: Deciamos on Feb 12, 2007 11:31 AM   
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Well, let us, for just a moment, try to forget the disgraceful sight of Mr. Colin Powell on February 5, 2003. Let us assume these weapons were actually manufactured in Iran.

How about the rest of the weapons? Where were they made? I can bet they were not made in Iraq?

Tim Russert should ask this question next Sunday.

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The Run-up to War in Iran
Posted by: debbied16 on Feb 12, 2007 11:46 AM   
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Why are the media so willing to believe that these weapons parts (with their serial numbers which supposedly link them to Iran, no one says how) come directly from representatives of the Iranian government, rather than from the enormous stockspiles of weapons bought and sold (and stolen and resold) on the international arms market? Who are the biggest traffickers in arms in the world? I'm willing to bet that if our anonymous sources were to examine all the weapons that have been used against Coalition Forces and the Iraqi civilian population, they would find some serial numbers that would link many of them to the US, China, Russia, and Israel.

Sure there are Iranians fighting against us in Iraq--and Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Saudis. Consider them the insurgents' version of Blackwater: mercenaries and true believers, operating independently of their governments.

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» RE: What coalition? 220,00 Bounty hunters! Posted by: common intelligence
200 Pages of "Proof"! Stop I can't read anymore.
Posted by: common intelligence on Feb 12, 2007 11:52 AM   
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How can anyone really buy that drivel. Who the hell reads all this crap anyway. It's all stack of lies. Even if the the Classified 200 pages of lies where free to read it's still a false propaganda document. Does anyone in their right mind believe that "Powers" would make a document, Much less take the time to write 200 pages to describe real proof?
Hell I could write it all in two pages if there was unequivocal proof. The fact is it takes hundreds of page to cover up lies, not tell the truth.

But now I want to know WHO wrote those 200 pages. Not Bush that's for damn sure. And too, who the hell would read them? The whole of congress didn't read the "patriot act" nor the MCA Military Commissions Act. Hardly a person knows what the hell they really mean until someone is indicted on a charge siting them and then someone has to defend against them and then it has to go to court t figure out what they mean.

It's all a Marketing scam to keep the distraction going. And it is sold to the public at large by the Head of Public Relations GWB! But the marketing plan is drawn up by ...WHO?
Teams of the neoCON marketing drones. Not even Carl Rove sits around at a computer day in and day out plotting and planning the mountain of bull shit that is feed to the whole world. How the hell does this stuff happen?

The game "don't let them (us) get to clear or focused too long on the CON", "keep'm shifting their attention like commercial after commercial after commercial...".

The Military Industrial OIL Complex have more power than any contrary adversary can imagine. And Idiot fearfulled drones only want their tiny piece of the pie for the promise of eternal life. So the Drones just contribute to the perpetual nightmare like in the Matrix.

The CON has now come to the point that "words" pro and con, to and fro have flooded the world of rhetorical reasoning so much that the simple truth is hidden in the tower of Babel.

Mean while the Media and NeoCON just play the same tactics to push the PNAC objectives.

We have two choices:
1) just keep shopping and keep a good supply of Visqueen and Duct Tape. (Yah, buy one of those 300 watt, 42"High definition Plasma screens and bury it in you coffins with you, so you can indoctrinate your children to accepting violence as an acceptable way of life. Yah, that's real conservation of resources! 300 watts of in-your-face propaganda the size of a bill board.)
Gawd, I love this country!

or

2) STOP participating. STOP THE WHOLE DAMN THING.

The distraction and Lies are so deep even the reality of the earths demise by global warming is becoming a hopeless concern.

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MSM Carny Barker @ Cesspit DC
Posted by: Hal on Feb 12, 2007 12:42 PM   
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Gee, it sounds like D. Swanson is telling us the “media” fronts for sellout whores at Washington.

Think about that.

Because if DC and the entire MSM are both toy poodles cooked and owned by a plutocracy what does that make America?

Example: Just before and short minutes after the twin trade towers came down on 911 all 3 MSM networks had so-called “experts” on telling us CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (a.k.a. Tim Osman from the House of Saud) and his cave boys were responsible. And that the buildings came down by jet fuel fires and stress of the airliner impacts alone. Facts no one could know without an investigation. Clue: these were prepared stories set up well in advance of the event to program the good little sheep.

911 cover-up is every bit as phony as “war on terror” where Iraq war incorporated was a fraud from the first “shock and awe” bomb drop. Iran is just the next target on the menu.

This is about cartel bank and Big Oil hegemony for the Mid East to Eurasian theatres and it’s a very old oligarch play. One that hasn’t changed from the year Gilded Age robber barons officially took over the U.S. economy, government and its carny media via the “Federal Reserve” Corp sting (not federal, no reserves).



“Oil is much too important a commodity to be left to the Arabs.”
“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”

HENRY KISSINGER (ex American Secretary of State as a member of the Trilateral Commission & Bilderberg Group . Henry Kissinger appointed Paul Bremer to oversee the conquest and occupation of Iraq on 5/6/2003. Living. Quotes 1991 & 1990)

“The bottom line is by 1995 there were no more weapons in Iraq… And furthermore, the CIA knew this, the British intelligence knew this, Israeli intelligence knew this, German intelligence, the whole world knew this.”
SCOTT RITTER (ex-UNSCOM inspector in an interview with Seymour Hersh 10/19/05)

"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on WMD [to invade Iraq] because it was the one reason everyone could agree on".
PAUL WOLFOWITZ (“neo-con” US Deputy Defense Secretary and chief architect of the Iraq War in an interview for Vanity Fair 2004)

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Aiding a nation in repelling a foreign occupation is not grounds for war.
Posted by: The Magnificent Goldberg on Feb 12, 2007 3:22 PM   
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Don't be so silly. You're asking people to believe that Germany had no grounds for war with the US because the US was only trying to help France. That proposition is plain nonsense.

The Magnificent Goldberg

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American "Special Ops" Already Fabricating Evidence in Iran
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 12, 2007 4:09 PM   
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There have been previous reports that American teams (special forces) are already in Iran. Now, America used these teams extensively as far back as the Vietnam war. In Vietnam, Project Phoenix was one such example. They essentially operate "outside the law," and you can bet they are up to no good. One possibility is that inside Iran, they are ensuring that "evidence" is found to "link" the Iranians to attacks on Americans, one way or another. If Americans have to die in the process, it is no big deal and an "acceptable loss" to the Bush administration. After all, sending in another 20,000 troops is going to mostly just create more American casualties anyway, so what then if a few more are created due to a covert or secret operation?

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mlou
Posted by: ericksonml@sbcglobal.net on Feb 13, 2007 9:28 AM   
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so many words. But what can we DO???

How can WE STOP the IRAN WAR PROMOTERS??

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» RE: mlou Posted by: opeluboy
Gee, you mean the Times might be lying?
Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 13, 2007 4:42 PM   
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Are we still not getting this? The NYT has been guilty of the worst yellow journalism since Hearst. Miller and Gordon are not operating in a vacuum. There are editors. There's an owner. They approve of the propaganda their writers exude.

The NYT wants to have it both ways; pump out the slime and then appear on the pages of liberal websites and their own rag dumping on the very actions they proposed.

Stop listening. Stop buying their paper. Stop allowing their writers to appear on progressive websites. They are all complicit.

Right now there are (with Clinton's sanctions and the recent invasion) over 1,000,000 dead Iraqis. Lebanon is destroyed and on the verge of civil war. Afghanistan is going down the shitter. Palestine is living in a slow-motion genocide. Iran is in the crosshairs.

We can thank the "journalists" at the Times for a large part of this.

I know how I'd like to thank them.

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larry125
Posted by: Larry125 on Feb 14, 2007 7:28 PM   
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Just stop watching.They are all liars.Keith Olbermann comes the closest to being a true patriot.The rest are corporate america plants.Scarboulle is a Bushie as well as Carlson. Dobbs is a phony pretending he is for Americans.Billo is totally insane,and what is with this idiot Rita Cosby.As soon as they kick Keith out I will be totally through with the news media.....Unless they announce a public hanging for Nancy Grace.I will tune in for that one

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» RE: larry125 Posted by: opeluboy
» A double hanging maybe? Posted by: Mycos
Reasons for starting a war
Posted by: dkm on Feb 14, 2007 7:36 PM   
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One poster mentioned that we need to point out that even if the Iranians were supplying the Iraqis with weapons, it does not amount to a reason to start an invasion. I saw another message board where it was pointed out that if the Iranians were supplying weapons to anyone, it would not be to anyone who would want to kill us. The Shia Iranians certainly would not arm the Sunnis who are the primary fighters in the resistance. They would also not be supplying the Mahdi militia which also wants both us and the Iranians out of Iraq. The only group who would benefit from the Iranian arm shipments would be the ones in the Sadr militia who Bush has recently praised for being on our side. So between the minimal provocation and the fact that both the US and the Iranians are arming the same groups, where is the case for war?

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where are you folks getting your news from???
Posted by: crazy carlos on Feb 16, 2007 6:09 AM   
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I am in Buenos Aires and have a copy of the 2-13-07 of the "Buenosairesherald.com" sitting in frnt of me. On page 4 is a 3 view photo of a "New PG-7AT-1round seized November 24, 2006 in Baqubah" the markings shown in a blow-up are : on line one P.G.7-AT-1 and on line two LOT:5-31-2006" EXACTLY AS SHOWN ABOVE. How convientent that the markings are in English block caps. with Roman numerials. the problem is one: the Iranians speak,read and write FARSE not ENGLISH and two: The US is about the only counrty in the world that dates month, then day and then year.
Everywhere else does it logically, that is 31/05/2006. It should also be noted that a slash is almost always used and not a dash.

Some more puff the magic dragon from Disneyland Central.

carzy carlos

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