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If It's Sunday, It's Conservative

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted February 24, 2006.


A new report nails down what we knew all along: If you're a guest on a TV talk show, you're probably a conservative.
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Last week, Media Matters released a study demonstrating empirically what we all knew from experience: the Sunday politics shows -- Meet the Press, This Week with George Stephanopoulos and Face the Nation -- skewed heavily towards right-wing guests. The Sunday gasbag fests influence the conventional wisdom far more than their audience -- about 10 million people per week -- would suggest. They shape the way our media frames the news, and determine who is and who is not a credible voice. Pols, reporters and other shows follow their lead.

The study, which analyzed almost 7,000 guests on the three shows during Clinton's second term and George W's first, is of course heresy to many. It directly challenged conservatives' most cherished belief that the "mainstream media" is hostile to conservatives, and that therefore, despite controlling all of the branches of government, having a stranglehold on corporate power and generally dominating the discourse on outlets like Fox and MSNBC, they are the beleaguered underdogs, the perennial victims of a pseudo-Socialist "media elite."

The central finding in the study [PDF] was that:

The balance between Democrats/progressives and Republicans/conservatives was roughly equal during Clinton's second term, with a slight edge toward Republicans/conservatives: 52 percent of the ideologically identifiable guests were from the right, and 48 percent were from the left. But in Bush's first term, Republicans/conservatives held a dramatic advantage, outnumbering Democrats/progressives by 58 percent to 42 percent.

The study's author, Paul Waldman, is a former editor of mine, a colleague on the Gadflyer blog and an occasional contributor to AlterNet's Echo Chamber. On Wednesday, I caught up with him over at Media Matters to get some followup on the study.

"Immediately, NBC blasted out a press release [on behalf of Meet the Press]," Waldman said. "What they did was they went back in their files to look up who had been on their show in the period before our study started, to the first Clinton term, to try to argue that what happened during the first Clinton term was an imbalance equivalent to the imbalance during the first Bush term."

The release, which called the Media Matters study "incomplete and misleading," didn't stand up to scrutiny. "They basically proved our point," said Waldman. "It turns out that there were more Democrats than Republicans during that period, but the imbalance was much larger during the first Bush term. So it's not just a matter of who's in power, there's something else going on."

ABC didn't respond to the study, but CBS's Vaughn Ververs jumped on Media Matters methodology on CBS's blog, the Public Eye.

Ververs wrote that "the most obvious and troubling" problem with Media Matters' methodology is "the intra-party dynamic. For example, while Media Matters says it classified former Democratic Sen. Zell Miller as a "conservative" for his role as an outspoken critic of his own party, the study also makes much of the fact that Republican Sen. John McCain has appeared 174 times in the period covered." For Ververs, McCain's not suitably obedient to the party line to qualify as a consistent conservative. "There's no doubt whatsoever that Miller supported President Bush's reelection and appeared on these programs as an advocate of his policies, particularly on the war. There's also no doubt that John McCain has built his career largely on being a "maverick" within his own party and someone the media traditionally turns to for Republican-on-Republican criticism."


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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at AlterNet.

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Same goes for NPR
Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 24, 2006 12:20 AM   
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A study from a year or so ago of guests appearing on the larger National Public Radio shows revealed that 2/3rds of them were rightward-leaning. Of course, conservatives claimed the methodology of the study was biased. They prefer methodology that uses facts that agree witht heir opinions.

The problem isn't that "the media" is biased one way or another, the problem is that it isn't biased enough one way or another. For example, liberals tend to see the news as afraid of questioning authority and conservatives tend see the choices of what and how to cover news as leftward biased.

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The right will never relinquish that claim
Posted by: jmonday on Feb 24, 2006 2:32 AM   
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Everyone knows that the right's favorite tactic is to repeat a claim over and over until it is accepted as true. One of their longest running, often repeated is the term "liberal media". The smarter righties know this is bullshit but know how useful it is to dismiss legitimate news about the administration which is unfailingly unflattering due to their sheer incompetence. The majority of conservatives actually believe the media is liberal. They are in denial that their man is that dishonest and incompetant and that there is nothing positive to report from him
They are sheep and dull ones at that. The only media they watch/hear (read?) is Fox news and talk radio and they repeat that claim. And because its the only media they are exposed to, its easy to sell them that idea. Any one of them will attack the New York Times as lying commie Bush hating liberals but they've never read the paper, they just know 'cuz Rush told 'em. Thats how they know all media outlets are lying Bush hatiers, 'cuz rush or bill or any one of their sheep herding masters told them what to think. They don't need to actually pick up a paper.

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» Laughable Objection Posted by: peritonlogon
Media always a threat to authority
Posted by: janten on Feb 24, 2006 3:57 AM   
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One of the defining characteristics of liberals is that it is not only okay to question authority, it is a duty. Conservatives, on the other hand, are more inclined to accept and support authority. So, from the conservative point of view, anyone who raises any kind of question immediately raises a liberal threat to authority and to conservatives.

The media typically raise questions, even if only the most benign, as an essential aspect of how they function so, even if truly threatening questions are not actually being raised, there is always the potential that will happen. Thus, the media are always seen as threatening to authority and to conservatives. Therefore the media have a liberal bias.

How else can it be? The only other possibility is that the media always be limited to simply and unquestioningly reporting the current party line.

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» ????? Posted by: peritonlogon
As The Blood Boils
Posted by: Nez46 on Feb 24, 2006 4:52 AM   
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Mainstream media can attempt to rebut the MM study all they want but i don't see people like Randi Rhoades, Al Franken, Paul Krugman, Joe Conason, David Brock, Mike Malloy, Thom Hartmann, Molly Ivins or Amy Goodman on any Sunday show--EVER. Those of us who spend the time to find the truth about what our government is up to know without any doubt that Sunday is Conserva-day.
I can spend on average about 10 minutes listening to the absolute garbage spewing forth from the lips of Sunday talk-show fascists before my blood pressure becomes high enough to inflate semi-truck tires.
The only people who can watch this scripted talking point soap opera without putting a foot through their TVs are the morons who support this particular point of view or those who will write scathing rebuttals to it.
The responses to the Media Mattters study are typical and anyone who didn't think they would come fast and furious probably also believed the BS about the leadup to the Iraq war and everything else we've been spoonfed by this president and his administration.

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» RE: As The Blood Boils Posted by: roseaguilar
Blame corporate mentality
Posted by: Moonray on Feb 24, 2006 5:09 AM   
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Consider who run the media -- corporate bean counters who would sell their own mothers for a dollar increase in ad revenue.

That's why conservatives rule. Right-wingers bring in more favorable feedback from the brainwashed public, while lefties generate more complaints. Media drones hate complaints.

The U.S. desperately needs a truly independent media network, similar to Britain's BBC. Without a major overhaul of our government, that's not likely to happen. Indeed, the right-wing culture is spreading and fascism is on the horizon.

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» RE: Blame corporate mentality Posted by: taxidave
» BBC just example Posted by: Moonray
» RE: BBC just example Posted by: taxidave
» RE: BBC just example Posted by: Roverton
» RE: Blame corporate mentality Posted by: Roverton
the USA media shield is an iron curtain
Posted by: eileenflmng on Feb 24, 2006 6:33 AM   
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MUCKRAKERS are thriving on the Internet and we are reporting even WHAT alternet.org declines to.

Out of Dalton Georgia is the alternative to USA media elite's:

www.aljazeerah.info

Posted under NEWS on 2/17/06 was WAWA's:

FREEDOM of SPEECH trial of Mordechai Vanunu in Israel continues Feb 22, 2006

On 2/23/06 under OPED is the follow up:

Microsoft, Israel and Vanunu



Much more on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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I suppose it's important to track this stuff...
Posted by: brunowe on Feb 24, 2006 6:51 AM   
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...but I gave up watching these shows a long time ago.

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I'll make "some real arguments"
Posted by: ScottP on Feb 24, 2006 8:12 AM   
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...that even the ones called "progressives" are war mongers. They probably labelled Hillary and Leiberman as progressives, just to insult true progressives. I guess if you don't think torture and napalm and depleted uranium munitions are signs of "strong support for security and liberty" then you're a radical. I still say (once the Olympics are over):

Turn off the TV!

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Ugh
Posted by: JessB on Feb 24, 2006 9:25 AM   
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Does anyone else find it completely annoying when websites feel the need to spam Alternet's comments section with ad's for their own sites? Really tacky...

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» RE: Ugh Posted by: ScottP
» RE: Ugh Posted by: JessB
» RE: Ugh Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: Ugh Posted by: JessB
7,000 Talking Heads?
Posted by: Rod in 83706 on Feb 24, 2006 9:55 AM   
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That number of BS'ers alone is a scary number. And regardless of whether it's coming from the right or left, it's getting deep in this country.

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Why
Posted by: mistery509 on Feb 24, 2006 3:53 PM   
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Why isn't Cindy Shehan interviewed on TV talk shows?

Not once has she had a chance to explain her story. Is this because she is for Peace and not War? Here is one hero who is willing to speak up and she is ignored and jailed. Here is a lady who is willing to stand up against GWB. Possibly the only one who is willing to do something rather than sit there and point fingers. She has put her life on the line. Why are you not helping her?

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Feb 24, 2006 9:37 PM   
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I quit watching the Sunday gas-bags about three years ago.
I allow no oratorial flatulence in my home on Sundays. Can't figure out what took me so long.

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Joshua: Irony, the true conservative art form
Posted by: mythbuster on Feb 25, 2006 3:24 AM   
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I received a mailing today from Fred Barnes (how did I get on that freak's mailing list?) about the "The Fund for American Studies" (www.tfas.org). According to Mr. Barnes, this fund is necessary to "create a whole new generation of American journalists" to counter the "national news media" and its "left"-ward tilt. Is it 1981? Is Reagan running for president again?

I call irony the "true conservative art form" because the amount of squealing about liberal bias is directly proportional to the absence of effective liberal voices. Stated another way, conservatives have seen the enemy...and it is them. If they don't don't feed the hate radio crowd a constant diet of liberal bashing, those same neanderthals will turn on them. (Dubai Ports World, anyone?)

The ironies abound. One of my co-workers (a fundamentalist) informed me that his church holds pre-college training sessions for their 17-year-olds to "prepare" them for the "liberal" professors. Because, as we all know, a college education should not include exposure to new ideas.

Have you considered doing a "Scorecard" column on the failures of conservative policies to produce crime reduction, teenage pregnacy reduction, deficit reduction, etc? Those failures would demonstrate why conservative "journalists" are so necessary.

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Just some more evidence!
Posted by: rkewen on Feb 26, 2006 2:21 PM   
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MEET THE PRESS WITH TIM RUSSERT
WEEKEND LISTINGS 2/26/06

SEN. JOHN WARNER (R-VA)
Chairman, Armed Services Committee

REP. PETER KING (R-NY)
Chairman, Homeland Security Committee

ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
Governor of California - R

Note the "R" after each name. Though I guess a good Republican (pardon the oxymoron) would insist that The Governator is of the left - being married to a botox Kennedy - in spite of the fact that his dad was a Nazi, though maybe not a lucky enough Nazi to do business with Duuuuhbya's daddy, grand daddy and the other "establishment" rich traitors.

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RE: Press the Meat
Posted by: macgregor13 on Feb 27, 2006 1:17 PM   
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You must be an extreme right winger to think that moderates are Stalinists. Just shows me how far to the right the Republican Party has shifted thanks in larg part to the Chrisitan Zionists Domionists. Who supported Pinochet, Sadaam, the Shah, Idi Amin, Papa Doc, Stalin, Hitler, Marcos, Bush? Republicans!So long as the Dictator is a Fascist that is ok, but if the Leader is a Progressive and does not support Corporate exploitation from American interests, that is Un-American. If it is so be it. I support Amerika when she is right as I would any country. You are totally brainwashed .

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RE: Spanky the Spammer
Posted by: truthteller on Feb 28, 2006 6:13 PM   
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Spanky69 is obviously a neo-fascist provocatur. I'm sick of guys like this who are probably getting paid by the right to post these ignorant screeds against everyone who makes a valid, progressive point. I'm willing to bet you don't see those of us who are honest progressives invading your sites to disrupt honest discourse. Of course, those of us on the left do honest work for our money!

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RE: Press the Meat
Posted by: dale0k on Mar 1, 2006 2:47 PM   
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You don't know what my opinions are - you just think you do, from listening to blowhards like Hannity and Limbaugh. You a**. You wouldn't know morals from your a**. Otherwise, you wouldn't support those Bush crooks, who are selling out the country to the highest bidder, and selling you a bill of goods. Jerk. That's why this country is going to hell in a hand basket under Bush. You believed him when he said he was on your side, and all you needed to hear was he was against gays, abortion, terrorists... but actually against anything that didn't line his buddies' pockets. You like getting paid less, enjoy paying high gas prices? Seeing your buds get killed, for nothing, spending away your children's and grandchildren's futures, cutting back on education, medicare, headstart, etc. etc.? Getting spied on? You are an a**.

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» RE: Press the Meat Posted by: Roverton