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The Media Call McCain and Palin on Their Trail of Lies

Newsday. Posted September 15, 2008.


A rundown of 25 responses in the media to McCain and Palin's bald-faced lies from the past two weeks.
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The McCain campaign has spent the last couple weeks making claims and accusations of dubious accuracy, mocking independent fact checkers, and telling everyone who will listen that the "media filter" doesn't matter.



They better hope they're right, because they're getting a lot of pushback:



The Boston Globe has a story reporting that Sarah Palin's claim to have visited Iraq last year was false -- she only got to a Kuwait/Iraq border station on a trip to meet Alaska guard troops. Previously, she acknowledged that her visit to Ireland had involved changing planes.



Bloomberg reported that the campaign's estimates of crowd sizes last week during McCain/Palin joint appearances may have been false.



McCain's assertion on "The View" on Friday that Sarah Palin didn't take any earmarks as governor of Alaska when she did earned him four Pinnochios -- a liar ranking -- from the Washington Post's factchecker.



The NYTimes frontpaged "an avalanche of criticism" of McCain for "regularly stretching the truth" on Saturday.



And, in a memo, the Obama campaign helpfully summarizes a litany of other denunciations:



The reviews are in on McCain's strategy of distorting, distracting and outright lying to the American people and what that says about his character, but the St. Petersburg Times put it best when they said his "campaign of lies disgraces McCain" and "McCain's straight talk has become a toxic mix of lies and double-speak. It is leaving a permanent stain on his reputation for integrity."



St. Petersburg Times (Editorial) "Campaign of lies disgraces McCain" McCain's straight talk has become a toxic mix of lies and double-speak. It is leaving a permanent stain on his reputation for integrity, and it is a short-term strategy that eventually will backfire with the very types of independent-thinking voters that were so attracted to him. LINK



Atlanta Journal Constitution (Jay Bookman) The volume and audacity of lies pouring from the McCain campaign is startling and even historicThat's really something, lying straight out about a FactCheck group, knowing that you're going to get caught but not giving a damn about it. With stuff like this, the McCain camp has cut any remaining tethers to reality and integrity and is now floating wherever the winds of illusion and whimsy may take them. It's quite remarkable, and quite insulting to the intelligence of the American people. LINK



Pittsburg Post Gazette (Tony Norman) Where have you gone, John McCain? You once said you'd rather lose an election than lose a war. Is it worth winning an election if it means forfeiting your soul on the altar of political expediency?Where is the honor in reciting lies for something as transient as political advantage? What are we as voters supposed to make of political ads that accuse Barack Obama of advocating sex education for kindergartners? Despite the intellectually dishonest maneuvering of your campaign, many Americans admire you, John McCain. Before you embraced the darkness, I was among those who disagreed with your politics, but considered you honorable. Now it's hard to look at you without seeing the scoundrels who made you what you are today. LINK



Kansas City Star (Barb Shelly) McCain stoops to deception, distortion: Maybe you've seen it. The campaign ad cites the authoritative journal Education Week to claim that Democrat Barack Obama has been missing in action on education reformShamelessly misleading the public?These are old tricks we've been seeing in local elections for years. Distort. Twist. Deceive. Damage. And the winning candidate drags a load of public contempt into office. I had hoped for better from McCainJohn McCain may win the presidency this way, but he will lose the respect he has acquired over the years. LINK



Boston Globe (Scot Lehigh) Pretzel logic from the McCain campaign: Here's the question voters should be asking themselves this week: Just how stupid does the McCain-Palin campaign think I am? The answer: Dumb enough to hoodwink with charges so contrived and cynical they make your teeth acheAs the nonpartisan campaign watchdog FactCheck.org has made clear, this is a thoroughly dishonest ad [Kindergarten]. No matter. The McCain campaign has shown it's ready and willing to say preposterous things to win. LINK



Washington Post (David Ignatius) Stopping at nothing to win: Thinking about the Palin choice, you begin to ponder other moves McCain has made on the road to winning the Republican nomination. McCain was right a few years ago to warn that Bush's tax cuts would have potentially ruinous fiscal consequences; now he favors extending the cuts that have produced a crisis of debt and deficit. Why did he switch his position, other than political opportunism?In May 2006, after McCain had courted the Rev. Jerry Falwell in an effort to win conservative support, I asked him if he was bending his principles for the sake of winning. "I don't want it that badly," McCain answered. "I will continue to do what is rightIf that means I can't get the Republican nomination, fine. I've had a happy life. The worst thing I can do is sell my soul to the devil." He was right. LINK





Washington Post (Eugene Robinson) The Scream Machine: There was a time when Republicans campaigned on their ideas, programs and values. This year -- lacking ideas, programs or values -- John McCain and Sarah Palin are running for the White House on an elaborate fictional narrative of victimhoodCreating the false impression that Democrats and journalists are unfairly attacking Palin serves another purpose as well: It helps create the impression that legitimate and necessary questions about her record -- such as her one-time support for the Bridge to Nowhere or her history of seeking the congressional earmarks she now claims to reject -- are somehow out of bounds. LINK



Chicago Tribune (Steve Chapman) To McCain the truth is expandable: McCain has concluded that a fact-based case about Obama isn't enough to prevail in November. So he has chosen to smear his opponent with ridiculous claims that he thinks the American people are gullible enough to believe. He has charged repeatedly that his opponent is willing to lose a war to win an election. What's McCain willing to lose to become president? Nothing so consequential as a war. Just his soul. LINK



Chicago Tribune (Frank James) "McCain plays dirty on Obama & sex-ed" So the McCain ad, in the way it contorts the truth, is pretty shocking from a candidate who has promised to bring change and reform to Washington, a man who's urging Americans to live for a cause larger than themselves. This is an old-fashioned, unreconstructed politics whose goal, first and foremost, is to get the candidate elected, the truth be damned. McCain has said he'd rather lose a campaign than lose a war. But it appears from this ad he'd rather lose any purchase he has on straight-talk than lose this presidential election. LINK



Chicago Tribune (Eric Zorn) `Sex ed' ad educates us on the character of John McCain: The surprise came at the end: I'm John McCain and I approved this message. With that infamous admission, McCain surrendered his integrity and signaled a willingness to say or do anything to get elected We used to expect better from John McCain. No longer. LINK



TIME (Joe Klein): A new rule here: Rather than do the McCain campaign's bidding by wasting space on Senator Honor's daily lies and bilge--his constant attempts to divert attention from substantive issues--I'm going to assume that others will spend more than enough time on the sewage that Steve Schmidt is shoveling and, from now on, try to stick to the issues. LINK



TIME (Joe Klein) Apology Not Accepted: he is responsible for one of the sleaziest ads I've ever seen in presidential politics, so sleazy that I won't abet its spread by linking to it, but here's the McClatchy fact check.. I just can't wait for the moment when John McCain--contrite and suddenly honorable again in victory or defeat--talks about how things got a little out of control in the passion of the moment. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig. LINK



TIME (Joe Klein) Another McCain Flip Flop: Army Times, which is not--last time I checked--a radical left wing publication, takes John McCain to task for changing his position on the Future Combat Systems program. This is yet another example of how running for President has driven McCain off the deep end. In the past, he was one of the more consistent voices against foolish Pentagon weapon systems. Here's a program that McCain previously wanted to end. Then Obama says he wants to slow-walk itand McCain--reflexively, it appears, and unable to recall that he previously opposed it--decides to support it. LINK



New York Times (Paul Krugman) Blizzard of Lies: I'm talking, instead, about the relationship between the character of a campaign and that of the administration that follows. Thus, the deceptive and dishonest 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign provided an all-too-revealing preview of things to comeAnd now the team that hopes to form the next administration is running a campaign that makes Bush-Cheney 2000 look like something out of a civics class. What does that say about how that team would run the country? What it says, I'd argue, is that the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse. LINK



New York Times (Editorial): The most disheartening aspect of a scurrilous Republican ad falsely accusing Barack Obama of promoting sex education for kindergarten children is its closing line: "I'm John McCain, and I approved this message." This from that straight-talker of yore, who fervidly denounced the 2004 Bush campaign's Swift Boat character attacks on John Kerry's military record. What a difference four years makes, especially after Mr. McCain secured the nomination by hiring some of the same low-blow artists from the Bush campaign. LINK



New York Times (Larry Rohter): The advertisement ["Disrespectful"] is the latest in a number that resort to a dubious disregard for the facts. The nonpartisan political analysis group Factcheck.org has already criticized "Disrespectful" as "particularly egregious," saying that it "goes down new paths of deception," and is "peddling false quotes." LINK



New York Times (Michael Cooper and Jim Rutenberg) McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions: Mr. McCain came into the race promoting himself as a truth teller and has long publicly deplored the kinds of negative tactics that helped sink his candidacy in the Republican primaries in 2000. But his strategy now reflects a calculation advisers made this summer -- over the strenuous objections of some longtime hands who helped him build his "Straight Talk" image -- to shift the campaign more toward disqualifying Mr. Obama in the eyes of voters LINK



ABC News-Political Punch (Jake Tapper): One can only imagine what the John McCain of 2004 - who called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads "dishonest and dishonorable" - would say about this ad I suppose one could twist this stuff any way you want if your only point is to make an inflammatory charge. And win an election The New York Times' "Checkpoint" ("Ad on Sex Education Distorts Obama Policy "), Factcheck.org ("Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners") and the Washington Post's Fact Checker ("McCain's 'Education' Spot Is Dishonest, Deceptive") say the ad is a gross distortion. I agree -- in both senses of the word "gross." LINK



AP (Charles Babington): The "Straight Talk Express" has detoured into doublespeak. Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a self-proclaimed tell-it-like-it-is maverick, keeps saying his running mate, Sarah Palin, killed the federally funded Bridge to Nowhere when, in fact, she pulled her support only after the project became a political embarrassment. He said Friday that Palin never asked for money for lawmakers' pet projects as Alaska governor, even though she has sought nearly $200 million in earmarks this year. He says Obama would raise nearly everyone's taxes, when independent groups say 80 percent of families would get tax cuts instead. LINK



Huffington Post (Sam Stein): When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time not disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defend your vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time ABSOLUTELY disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defeat primary opponents Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani . . . Fast-forward nearly a year, and the argument McCain made back then is being used against his vice presidential pick today. Only Sarah Palin held the post of mayor of Wasilla for less time than Rudy Giuliani headed New York City. And her gubernatorial stint in Alaska is shorter than that of Mitt Romney's in Massachusetts. McCain, not surprisingly, has changed his tune. LINK


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Being a liar is an Election Issue
Posted by: kiwijohn on Sep 15, 2008 3:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
World War II, the American War in Viet Nam, the Bush war in Iraq were based on lies, credibly presented by apparently upstanding leaders of our society. The war mongering by these moose hunting try-hards will lead to the next war. We MUST learn from history: politicians who tell half lies that voters believe create destruction on our planet. Stop McCain/Palin now, before it's too late.

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» Where Did The Money Go? Posted by: Last Chance
» What??? WWII??? Posted by: TagsNOLA
» RE: What??? WWII??? Posted by: greenknight
McLiar was NEVER a straight talker
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Sep 15, 2008 3:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It was all slight of hand.

Campaign finance "reform?" Notice any actual reform? It did serve nicely to obscure the fact that he was wholly owned by Charles Keating, however.

Torture? He has made that HIS issue - garnering tons of favorable press coverage, uncountable adoring retellings of his own POW narrative. He was on the front pages for months - not to mention every newscast. Then he completely sold out, supporting the Bush bill that made the CIA the official torturers of the U.S., then quietly (no press coverage of this part) Voting against a ban on CIA torture!

It's impossible to name an issue where - upon closer examination - McLiar's "straight talk" doesn't turn out to be illusory self-promotion, ass-covering or some other other employment of classic "Big lie" technique.

It has annoyed the hell out of me for decades to watch this conservative con artist getting cred from Democrats for his trademarked brand that has no relation to reality.

Another example is environmentalism. His record there is horrible but because of his association with an actual environmentalist (Morris Udall) and some well-chosen words (having no relationship with his voting record), the press has allowed him to bill himself as an environmentalist while opposing virtually every pro-environment measure he has ever voted on!

I am sooooo sick of that lying bastard.

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Foreclosure = No Vote = TREASON!!!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 15, 2008 5:08 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Michigan Repugs are trying to equate Foreclosures with Forfeiting your Right to Vote.
If you are Homeless and live under a Bridge YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE!!
This latest Tactic by the Repugs is not only UnAmerican to It's Core- It is Treasonous!
To intentionally undermine the very foundation of our Democracy can be considered Nothing less!
If the Repugs send out minions to stand at polling stations attempting to barr people from voting, considering the last 7 years, they should also be charged with Reckless endangement.The voters have become not only More savvy about their Tactics to Rig elections, they have become more Militant about their Right to Vote.
After 7 yrs of playing psychological games, working of Fear and hatred...The Repugs may find they have yanked the Nation's Pitbulls chains once too often- and they will be the target of Retribution

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Little lies and big lies
Posted by: sliver on Sep 15, 2008 5:21 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
These election lies are truly horrid. But catching him with these little factcheck lies are tiny in comparison with the big lies of this campaign.

McCain says he will reform Washington, but has hundreds of lobbyists in line to take advantage. He says he can win the war, but actually wants to start more wars. He says he puts the American people first, but doesn't have a single policy that puts people first.

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» Sorry - here's the link Posted by: Cynic13
But it just might work
Posted by: steve.janv@hotmail.com on Sep 15, 2008 5:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The really sad part of all this is the fact that these lies just might work and John McCain will win the election. As the world looks on in disbelief (and watches the end of another Empire), the only question left will be: What does this say about the American people? The next time we tell our children that lying is bad, will they remind us that it helped elect a president?

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» RE: But it just might work Posted by: janakiblum
» RE: George Lakoff Posted by: astudent
Christian reminders
Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 15, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Somebody should remain McCain--and especially the righteous Palin--of something Jesus Christ said:

What does it profit a man (or a woman) to gain the whole world but to lose his (or her) immortal soul?

The Ten Commandments also come to mind: How about not bearing false witness against thy neighbor?

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» You're assuming that... Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: Christian reminders Posted by: Intellect
Ends justifies the means.
Posted by: ahmlco on Sep 15, 2008 6:05 AM   
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McCain's campaign manager stated that they're doing what needs to be done in order to win. Effectively, the end justifies the means.

But if McCain will lie (or tolerate lies in his name) to get into office, what makes anyone think he's going to stop once he gets there?

The end justifies the means, remember?

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The American Media is a load of Vile crapulent SOB's that have been paid to shut up.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 15, 2008 6:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If they weren't what Happened to The WTO would be common knowledge and Bush, his cabinet and half of congress would be charged with treason.

Further, Amy Goodman would never have gone to jail and if she had the media woud have blown the story to the four corners of the Globe. No one is doing their job anymore. We have become a nation of Fall Down Artists blaming anything insight other than ourselves for the current state of affairs.

I will say this to McCain: I know your excreata pal, you are a Nuclear Holocost waiting to happen and so is your croney Sarah Palin! Maybe you will get your wishes and both you and she can see what a Baked Alaska really is you scaberous piece of dog flesh!

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Take a deep breath and think about this for a moment.......
Posted by: Prophit on Sep 15, 2008 6:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What has the MSM press done over the past 8 years that we have all talked about???? What did the press do in the lead up to the War in Iraq?

What cover has the press given Bush through his entire administration? What treatment did the press give McCain in the lead up to the GOP convention?

Right, they lied or accepted the lies without call them out on it. That includes McCain and Palin right up to the GOP convention.

Does anyone remember some posting I did that said the following:

1. Obama is the designated winner of this contest and is advised by 6 CFR advisors who are in this to complete their agenda?

Fascist Global Governance

2. I also stated McCain was the very worst the GOP had to offer except for the cross dresser. Thus he is the designated loser.

3. I also stated that his numbers were so low, that the GOP delegates were ready to revolt at the GOP convention and replace him with someone who might or could at least make this a race.

4. It was also stated that the press was giving McCain good press at that time until the convention nomination was secured and no revolt which the Palin nomination gave him, but that afterward, once he was secured, then it would all go against him once again, since the press is owned and implementing the global agenda.

5. He will then begin to slowly drop in the polls and Obama would beat the pants off him. Well, this is mid sept, and the process of bringing McCain down is beginning.

Obama will go up in the polls and the financial crashes currently underway starting THIS Sunday, yesterday, will ensure that win, since McCain is seen as the continuation of such horrors as we are about to see. It will be like nothing you have ever experienced or dreamed of in your life.

THERE WILL BE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN none at all. They are both handled by the CFR and we have no choice but to vote third party if we are ever to have a slim chance of beating this thing at all....BOTH JUST TALKED ABOUT DRAFTING FOR WARS. BOTH OF THEM...... THIS WEEK AT TWO DIFFERENT VENUES. So there is no difference and we are the fodder for those wars.

The financial collapse that is currently underway is being done by the very people being touted to run the global governance by the CFR so can you imagine the damage they can do globally? The only one to sell this to the world is Obama. This is like putting the Fox in charge of the chicken coup.

Vote McKinney.

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usterroristnation
Posted by: usterroristnation on Sep 15, 2008 6:39 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A polite question - are Americans the dumbest most gullible people occupying planet earth right now ??

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» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: patfr
» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: David Baker
» RE: usterroristnation Posted by: orwellturns
TINA FEY AND AMY POEHLER ON SNL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 15, 2008 6:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Everybody agrees that they were brilliant. Poehler's closing line ala Hillary Clnton said it all: "Media people, grow a set, or I'll lend you mine". I've read much about the McCain-Palin lies, but nothng in strong enough language to make much of a difference. They write about the lying to say that they wrote about the lying. I've yet to see a single thing in print that would de-rail the great Straight Talk Express. The same treament given to Bush. Don't upset the apple cart. Sarah Palin as the VP, possibly president is preposterous. She doesn't know a damned thing and she's crazy. McCain doesn't know where he is most of the time. Lying is possily the least of it. Dick, don't go too far. Your job is still safe. Thanks, ANNA

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» Growing a new set Posted by: MartianBachelor
The GOP and "conservatives" have owned the media lock stock and barrel for 28 years.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 15, 2008 6:49 AM   
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This is why they're "free" to lie their teeth off regardless. The trick is they frame them so that the public "accepts" them. The progressives and liberals need to not just state the facts but make them acceptable to the public. As long as the "conservatives" and Republicans keep framing their morally bankrupt "conservative" ideology as "acceptable" to the public, the facts will continue to be written off while rightwing lies will be "accepted".

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McCain started lying when he came home from North Vietnam
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 6:52 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
On May 14, 1973, U.S. News & World Report published a 12,000-word personal account by McCain about his POW experience. In the document, he shaded the truth (lied) about what happened to him.
For example, in regards to collaborating with the NVA, he wrote: "They took me up into one of the interrogation rooms, and for the next 12 hours we wrote and rewrote. Then the 'gooks' made a very serious mistake, because they let me go back and rest for a couple of weeks. When they called me up again and wanted something else... I was able to resist. I was able to carry on. They couldn't "bust" me again.

Despite a super fresh memory, he never said in 1973 what he confessed to. Not until four decades later, in his 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, did McCain recall on page 198 revealing “information about my ship and squadron.”

Actually McCain told NVA interrogators the name of his aircraft carrier, how many Navy pilots had been lost, the number of planes in his flight formation, tactics used during bomb runs and the location of rescue ships in the Tonkin Gulf.

Because of the revelations which McCain repeated in numerous propaganda radio broadcasts (something else he didn't mention in his 1973 article), the North Vietnamese contemptuously nicknamed him “Songbird.”

Despite his claim in the U.S. News & World Report account that the enemy "couldn't ‘bust' me again," during his hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators, made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries in comfy settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton, the other POWs continued to suffer.

In the 1973 article, he talked about meeting Cuban journalist Fernando Barral: “So I went to see this visitor who said he was from Spain, but who I later heard was from Cuba.”

According to Barral, who later reported his interview in English version Communist Party newspapers, the meeting took place in a posh office at Hanoi's Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations headquarters where cookies, oranges, coffee and cigarettes were offered to McCain and accepted.

During the interview, McCain voluntarily talked in Spanish about his family, future aspirations and downing of his plane. Quoting Barral, "McCain lamented, 'If I hadn't been shot down, I would have become an admiral at a younger age than my father.'"

Although McCain claimed he didn’t discuss military matters with Barral, the Hanoi Hilton's U.S. commander, SRO Jeremiah Denton, later issued an order forbidding POWs to be interviewed by visitors.

Said McCain on page 305 of Faith of My Fathers, “[Denton's] decision was a sound one, even though it deprived me of further opportunities to demonstrate my psychic equilibrium, not to mention the [loss of] extra cigarettes and coffee."

In his 1999 autobio, while admitting to accepting special favors from the enemy -- drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes -- McCain conveniently omitted the fact he had conversed with Barral in Spanish, a more serious POW Code of Conduct violation.

In sum, McCain may be a tough war survivor, but he is no hero.

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 by Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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» start providing proof! Posted by: LionHeart
» proof! Posted by: foreverhope
» Well said, foreverhope. Posted by: VetAgainst McCain
Shirl
Posted by: toots on Sep 15, 2008 7:03 AM   
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I ha lost all respect for this man, even if he was a prisoner of war, he has rode that horse as far as he can. He will do anything to get into the white house.
Sarah is a selfish, does this woman have a MOTHER?? why are we only seeing the father.
I HOPE EVERYONE IS PASSING ALONG ALL THE LIES, WE NEED TO GET IT INTO THE MEDIA BEFORE TIME RUNS OUT

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Lies Lies Lies and more lies
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 15, 2008 7:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How can anyone with a single ounce of common sense or dignity stand behind and back a proven outright LIAR? it just doesnt make any sense.

JIff
Is your ISP spying on you?

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Lets hear it for freedom of the press
Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 15, 2008 7:31 AM   
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I say keep it up! We are all a part of the process of calling out the lies and deception, not to mention the political double talk. Most of the reporters mentioned above have spent time checking out sites just like this to see what those of us who care about our future are saying about what we are seeing and hearing. We need to keep pointing out all of the inacuracies and our concerns so we keep the press on the case.

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Change is coming to America and the world!
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 15, 2008 7:45 AM   
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I would like to recite this poem at Obama's Inauguration. Can you assist me in doing so by spreading the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM58nqX1ehE

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Mccain is indeed going to give US troops/veterans a VERY VERY BAD NAME - CHAOS MCCAIN AT LARGE !!!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 15, 2008 8:09 AM   
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A Real, Moderate Independent Look At John McCain

A love of strippers, drug addicts, and chaos, which brings his campaign actions and claims clearly into focus.



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Thomas J. Bico


I'm trying to wake the Obama/Biden campaign the FUCK UP because currently in my state of VA, the "John Mccain is a Vietnam hero" shit is spreading like wildfire and getting the military vote all revved up for Mccain. They would have never supported Kerry. If you all want to RESCUSITATE the otherwise dying Obama/Biden ticket, join me and take this article and smack it to them. If Mccain is allowed to get away with his evermore chaotic plans,

GOD WILL CONTINUE TO SEVERELY PUNISH AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION AND EVEN MORE SO THE LIKES OF WHICH AMERICA HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED !!!!

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» God and damnation AGAIN!!! Posted by: foreverhope
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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 15, 2008 8:51 AM   
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For 26 years Senator McCain did nothing to help the 1000s of innocent FLDS women and children in Colorado City, Arizona, the largest polygamous enclave in America, and the most abusive.

Corrupt FLDS leaders bilk Arizona taxpayers for 25-30 million a year!

Does anybody really think John McCain gives a damn about anybody but John McCain?

This 5 minute clip will BLOW YOUR MIND.

http://www.bankingonheaven.com

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A Sad Truth of today's Politics...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Sep 15, 2008 9:03 AM   
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"He who talks Longest and LOUDEST usually wins"...

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It's also a matter of international concern ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM   
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... If these people can't be trusted to tell the truth now what the Hell are they going to be like when they get REAL power? How can the international community have faith in their word or even to do the right thing if they are so dishonest? You cannot negotiate with a liar because you don't know if s/he'll break their word, as you will also know they are not interested in win-win outcomes but win-lose - they're always out to screw you. So, the stakes will be high - "Break your word and we won't just complain, we'll wop your ass!"

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McCain Palin lies..
Posted by: gluck7104 on Sep 15, 2008 9:21 AM   
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What's the difference? ALL politicians, especally presidential candidates, ARE LIARS (complete with people to assist them in the task!) Who has the longest nose, makes NO difference!!! Every election, we are choosing the candidate, that any one of us hopes is the lesser of the evils,it's a coin toss! IF our vote even gets counted( isn't that most likely how bush won?)! I don't think it's apathy that keeps people away from the polls.... It Is Plain And Simple Disgust At What The 'Choices' Are.....

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I learned three things at my mother's knee
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 AM   
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Lying is a sin.

You can protect yourself from a theif my locking your doors but there is no way to protect yourself from a liar.

One has to have a very good memory to be a good liar to remember all the lies and keep them straight.

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Hitler was right
Posted by: fbear0143 on Sep 15, 2008 10:13 AM   
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Despite all his obvious lies, McCain is onto something Adolph Hitler understood well and wrote clearly about in MEIN KAMPF, Chapter 6: Propaganda. McCain's simplistic slogans and lies appeal to the average voter mentality, which is not the same as that of the "professors" to whom Hitler referred when he said the message should never be aimed at the "thinkers." He clearly understood the mob mentality of average people and played to it in his speeches and slogans. This is McCain at his Rovian best. Keep th4e slogan and the message simple, hammer it home and don't worry about being caught in a lie. As long as the lie is believable, repetition will give it a ring of truth. Scary, but it might just work with the self absorbed American electorate. Slogans are easier to remember than truth.

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A special response to LionHeart who wants proof about Songbird McCain
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 10:49 AM   
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In his reply above (titled, "Start providing proof!"), Lionheart wrote the following -- beginning with a quote from my comment:

"Despite his claim in the U.S. News & World Report account that the enemy "couldn't ‘bust' me again," during his hospital stay and for months afterwards, McCain continued to cooperate with NVA interrogators, made more radio broadcasts for the enemy and met with foreign dignitaries in comfy settings while back at the Hanoi Hilton, the other POWs continued to suffer."

Provide proof....


Here's enough evidence to satisfy reasonable people:

1. By his own admission, McCain met with Cuban journalist Fernando Barral in 1970 -- more than two years after being captured when he, McCain, was no longer being tortured.

2. On June 4, 1969, again two years after McCain was shot down, a U.S. wire service story headlined, “PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral,” described one of his radio recordings: “Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.”

Both events occurred after the NVA stopped physically abusing POWs. Thus the self-serving Barral meeting, McCain accepting enemy favors and his radio broadcasts were completely voluntary and violated the Code of Conduct.

3. In 1987, the CIA released 35 pages of original documents which were intercept reports from the Agency's Foreign Broadcast Information Service and the Message Center of the U.S. Department of Defense National Military Command Center.

The Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS) is an open source intelligence component of the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology that monitors, translates, and disseminates within the US Government openly available news and information from non-US media sources. In 2005, FBIS became known as the Open Source Center (OSC).

The files on McCain, which dated from October 11, 1967 to February 20, 1973, were released in response to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests relating to POW/MIA issues.

Most of the broadcasts were part of a systematic propagation of a doctrine, reflecting the views and interests of the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War.

The broadcasts translated and/or transcribed include:

(1) a Vietnam News Agency international broadcast of an interview with McCain,
(2) an interview of McCain, conducted by French journalist Bernard-Joseph Cabanes,
(3) Radio Moscow domestic Russian report on a Pravda Review article concerning the air defenses in Hanoi, featuring North Vietnamese interview content of McCain,
(4) an article written by French TV reporter Francois Chalais concerning American pilots held in North Vietnam, which included interviews of McCain.

Also reported by the CIA, in January 1970, Radio Havana broadcast McCain's interview by Fernando Barral. The broadcast received attention because McCain mentioned Lyndon Johnson’s management of the war.

Is that enough proof against Songbird McCain, LionHeart?

Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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» Hi Hugh Posted by: Illiteratilumen
Sarah Palin Admiration Society
Posted by: SarahPalinAdmirationSociety on Sep 15, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Fortunately, for everybody, Sarah Palin's experience as Mayor of Wasila, Alaska, will put her in a good position to deal with the impending implosion of Wall Street, when John McSame croaks. Read more at: www.SarahPalinAdmirationSociety.com

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Maximum Pain et al = pretenders/trolls/repugs
Posted by: foreverhope on Sep 15, 2008 11:24 AM   
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This does not apply to all greens, however this has confirmed what I have suspected for several months. There are 'individuals' in our midst pretending to be greens, pretending to be liberal/progressive, pretending to be outraged, pretending to support Kucinich or Edwards or whomever. They pretend to be disappointed, they pretend to have lost 'faith' in our two party system, and they adore bringing up 2000 and 2004 as part of their reasons for disappointment and contrived outrage with the dems and going green. Of course they are never lacking in condescending arrogance towards anyone that doesn't see it their way. Their posts take different forms but mimic one another in substance, their supposed outrage hollow. Alternet is littered with them. They are stupid, what a waste of time.

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"Low Road"
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Sep 15, 2008 12:11 PM   
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Dearest Newsday writers . . .

I appreciate the thorough assessment. Some of these I have read and have yet to write on. There is so much distortion, misrepresentation, falsification and foment. The litany of lies looms large ever since Cindy and John McCain assured Americans their campaign would be clean.

Have you seen the latest Obama advertisement that speaks as you do? "Low Road" TV Ad

As I type, in the background, I hear Sarah Palin. She is on the stump and still repeating the false claims. When Karl Rove criticizes McCain and Palin and accuses each of lying, well, what more can be said.

I know not of you, but for weeks, I have felt as though I am part of the McCain – Palin Patrol.

I offer a few thoughts for your review. Please share your reflections. . .
Sarah Palin; Science or Survival of the Fittest
Palin On Fire
Sarah Palin; Wrong Woman, Woeful Record
Say Nothing. Know Nothing
To Vet or Not to Vet; That is the Sarah Palin Question
Full of Gas

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org

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Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Sep 15, 2008 12:15 PM   
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I guess we all know now that McCain doesn't have a soul. It seems that he would rather lose an election than a war but he seems to not care if he loses his reputation, credibility and his soul to win an election. Do we need a soul-less, lying president in the White House? And look who his second in command would be. Cheney in a skirt. I say no way.

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An important development
Posted by: Hans B on Sep 15, 2008 3:49 PM   
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It seems just yesterday that the media used a "fairness" rule that turned every debate into he said/she said confusion, without ever pointing out who was speaking the truth and who was lying. Not just in politics, either. ("Some scientists believe the planet's atmosphere is warming", anyone?). The McCain campaign apparently pushed them too far and forced them to finally react. This is really good news.

It seems just yesterday that Joe Klein got his inside info from the most reactionary legislators to be found on Capitol Hill. The avalance of protests on Time's Swampland, not to mention the scating responses of bloggers (Glenn Greenwald especially, though I don't always agree with him), seem to have gotten through.

McCain is making a risky gamble when he complains about media bias. It worked for Hillary Clinton, but it doesn't seem to work for him. The press remembers all too well how it covered McCain's back for years on end, and how he benefited from media bias more than anyone else. When he complains about their "bias", all it does is irritate them.

The real eyeopener in this regard is the Washington Post, which (aside from some token liberals like Froomkin) has drifted to the far right for more than a decade now. Their coverage of the Gore campaign was disgraceful, not to mention their long-time denialism on global warming. But when you check out the paper today, it almost looks liberal - and it is not kind, no not kind at all, to John McCain. That change came in the last week or so, as far as I can see. Newsweek, ditto.

The media changed sides, massively, all of them at approximately the same time. Not for Obama, but for reporting facts and denouncing lies. McCain's extreme smears reminded them that they have a job to do, it's called journalism. And McCain is gambling that journalism has lost all influence. Considering that he got where he is because of his barbecue parties, that may be a moose-sized mistake.

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» Addendum Posted by: Hans B
GOP TROLL ALERT: Another Karl Rove Club member accuses me of being a fake veteran
Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 15, 2008 5:17 PM   
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Today on this thread, a poster named Illiteratilumen surfaced after (his words) "giving Alternet a break for awhile because of the hard-on the editors have for Sarah Palin."

Here's what Illiteratilumen said about me:

My bet is that you are a fraud who cannot be honest with himself or with the people who stumble upon your website or any other works you have out there.

My bet is that you are nothing more than a wanna-be journalist with too much time on your hands.

My bet is that you are so egotistical and morally bankrupt that you don't have a problem pretending to be a Vietnam veteran when you are probably not.

It is an insult to the Americans and Vietnamese who actually got caught up in that war.


End of Illiteratilumen's comment.

Last week, I responded to another GOP troll named Lionheart who has also personally attacked me in spite of AlterNet's NON-enforced policy against such postings.

In my rebuttal to LionHeart, I wrote about "gettting caught up in the Vietnam War" this way:

I served my country honorably during the Vietnam War as a combat crewmember in the 320th SAC bomb wing stationed at Mather AFB, California.

One June 26, 1965, we flew "Arc Light One" -- the Strategic Air Command's first bombing mission of the war. Tragically, while flying through a typhoon at night, the historic operation turned into horror when two B52s from my wing collided and went down in flames, killing eight crewmembers.

Years later, I wrote about Arc Light One in a nonfiction book this way:

To our rear, the second B52 wave, consisting of three-ship cells on five refueling tracks, approached the Air Refueling Controll Points where their tankers should have been orbiting for the refueling rendezvous. To close the gap, the KCs were flying faster than normal and the bombers had slowed.

One cell of B52s used a different method to kill time -― the wrong one. Inexplicably, the three-ship cell made a 360-degree turn and flew through a formation on the adjacent track.

Two bombers from the 320th, one in each cell, collided and went down in flames. At least six crewmembers ejected and made it to the water, a surging maelstrom of churning waves. I knew some guys were alive because I could hear their emergency radio beacons in my headset.

I remember the noise as a high-pitched whine that tailed off at the end, then repeated itself. In my brain, it sounded like “Help me...help me...help me...”

I couldn’t help thinking what a terrible and sad way to die -— alone, soaked and seasick in a one-man dinghy thousands of miles from home.

If I’d been alone in the cockpit, I would have cried.


Imagine how you would feel after living through that experience, and then to be called a "fake" veteran by Lionheart.

I can't begin to express my outrage over such a scurrilous charge, one of many by LionHeart that AlerNet has tolerated despite its policy against personal attacks on other posters.

That goes double for Illiteratilumen.

Vet against McCain

To find out why, click on the links below:

Songbird McCain
(Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain
(self-explanatory)
Vote Vets
(supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)

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SOULESS
Posted by: lamac66 on Sep 15, 2008 7:26 PM   
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McCain has sold his soul to won this election. His changed on so many issues since 2000. He actively went out of his way.

All to pander to the right-wing who has been running the party since 1980. He went out to seek Hagee's endorsement,that blew up his face. He kissed Sean Hannity's ring. The icing on the cake, he goes out and get's a VP he'd never pick on his own.

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Liars aren't so dumb!
Posted by: james_allen on Sep 16, 2008 12:36 AM   
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Don't think the GOP has become stupid and desperate in resorting to obvious lies.
Some URLs:
1 Lies only make people remember the lie better
2 a related article
3 People remember shaking Bugs Bunny's hand at Disneyland
(Impossible since Bugs is not a Disney character!)

James

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The asshole America elects is usually the one who ends up shitting all over the planet.
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 16, 2008 2:44 PM   
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If the world has to deal with John “Bush, the Sequel” McCain and his sidekick, Sarah “my god can kick your god’s ass” Palin, we can expect more of the same mindless light on brains, heavy on bombs - ignore the economy insanity.

The American people still believe they are the good guys. They still view themselves as the cavalry, but they are in fact viewed as the hostile invaders, the belligerent occupiers and that which must be resisted. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

Vote McCain/Palin and build a bomb shelter.

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The asshole America elects is usually the one who ends up shitting all over the planet.
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 16, 2008 2:47 PM   
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If the world has to deal with John “Bush, the Sequel” McCain and his sidekick, Sarah “my god can kick your god’s ass” Palin, we can expect more of the same mindless light on brains, heavy on bombs - ignore the economy insanity.

The American people still believe they are the good guys. They still view themselves as the cavalry, but they are in fact viewed as the hostile invaders, the belligerent occupiers and that which must be resisted. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

Vote McCain/Palin and build a bomb shelter.

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Lilly
Posted by: Lilly on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 PM   
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There's so much to keep up with, but PLEASE read "Running Against Sarah" by Seyward Darby, New Republic 9-16-08 because it explains what makes Palin go. When she came in second for the Miss Alaska title in 1984 she believed she failed to win because she hadn't created enough drama around herself. (Think of a young Cheney humiliated by Watergate, stewing for thirty years, and roaring back in 2000 to remake the world nearer to his heart's desire.) So now 24 years later we are seeing a lot of Palin drama: the son joins the Army on 9-11-07, is deployed, sort of, on 9-11-08, the Downs baby becomes a campaign backdrop, we hear all about moose stew, Bristol's pregnancy becomes part of the Big Show, and we have the jazzy lies about the plane and bridge and so on. This woman is a show-off, not a public servant. This is all about Sarah and the adulation that is owed her. (And the new Atlantic just came with its cover article about how McCain wants to re-fight the Vietnam War and this time make it come out the way he wants. As a nation, aren't we worth more than to provide psychiatric reparation to our leaders?)

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It's about time!
Posted by: frank69 on Sep 19, 2008 4:41 PM   
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Better late than never...I can hardly believe that the CORPORATE press is finally acting RESPONSIBLY! Calling "maverick" John McCAIN a "distorter." The MSM instead should call McCain exactly what he is: A LIAR! AS in: "Liar, liar, pants on fire!"
What a pathetic little shit John McCain is!

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