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The Bad Frame: Why Are the New Yorker, Salon and Other Liberal Media Doing the Right's Dirty Work?

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted July 14, 2008.


This week's New Yorker cover image of the Obamas is shocking in the racism and gross stereotyping that is built into its supposed satire.
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New Yorker magazine hits the newsstands today with a shocking cover -- a caricature of Barack and Michelle Obama depicting the presidential candidate in a turban, fist-bumping his wife who has a machine gun slung over her shoulder, while the American flag burns in the fireplace. The cover is shocking in that it depicts the Obamas in bizarre, caricatured images and associations that reflect the very stereotypes with which the conservatives, particularly Fox News, have been trying to frame both the Obamas. Thus, instead of satire, the cover becomes a political poster for conservatives to reinforce their messages. Sen. Obama was shown the cover image by a reporter covering the campaign on Sunday, and while seemingly taken aback, he declined to comment.

But the Obama campaign quickly put out a release condemning the magazine cover. Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama, said in a statement: "The New Yorker may think, as one of their staff explained to us, that their cover is a satirical lampoon of the caricature Sen. Obama's right-wing critics have tried to create. But most readers will see it as tasteless and offensive. And we agree."

Unfortunately the impact of this image will extend far beyond the reading audience of the New Yorker; cable news and the right-wing media noise machine will amplify the derogatory image to millions more. And the New Yorker of course will reap enormous publicity, clearly translating to increased sales and notoriety for the brand, and for corporate owner Conde Nast -- one of the largest and most powerful media companies in America.

But the publicity could very well backfire. Editor David Remnick and artist Barry Blitt's attempt at satire seems so arrogant and indulgent in its insensitivity, and so out of touch with political and media dynamics of tabloid TV and blogs, that it just might make a lot of people angry, including some subscribers. The cover turns the magazine into a potential Molotov cocktail, to be gleefully tossed by Fox News and the conservative blogs, into the already combustible tinderbox of race and Muslim stereotypes just below the surface of America's public discourse. (Remnick has since done an interview about his decision to run the cover.)

John Aravosis at America Blog writes:

A liberal publication like the New Yorker thinks it's funny to make Mrs. Obama some radical black panther, and Barack Obama basically a terrorist (you'll note that he looks just like Osama bin Laden on the wall). ... And this is funny? Is the New Yorker so out of touch that they don't realize that much of America, or at least too much of America, harbors these very concerns about Obama and his wife?

I'm sure the New Yorker thinks they're actually poking holes in the myth by making light of the stereotypes. Yeah, and tell us how this pokes fun at the stereotype? It reinforces it. And yet again, you'd never see them try anything like this with John McCain. God forbid you even ask a question about John McCain's experience, the media will destroy you. But paint Obama and his wife as America-hating flag-burning violent terrorists, and it's funny.

Jake Tapper of ABC News adds:

"Intent factors into these matters, of course, but no Upper East Side liberal -- no matter how superior they feel their intellect is -- should assume that just because they're mocking such ridiculousness, the illustration won't feed into the same beast in emails and other media. It's a recruitment poster for the right-wing.

""This is as offensive a caricature as any magazine could publish," says a high-profile Obama supporter, "and I suspect that other Obama supporters like me are also thinking about not subscribing to or buying a magazine that trafficks in such trash."

Lindsay Beyerstein, who blogs at Majikthise, makes an important point in emphasizing that:

"Our national discourse is impoverished when it comes to racially loaded images like the New Yorker cover. When I saw the cover, it was clear to me that the cartoonist was trying to covey a true and important point: All the Obama myths, like his Muslim father, fit together into a coherent and poisonously racist wingnut caricature. These aren't just random rumors. The anti-Obama mythos is a continuation of the ugly narratives that conservatives have been spinning since the civil-rights movement and before. That said, if you put those images on the cover of a national magazine, you're helping Fox spread those sick memes -- whether you intend to or not. It's easy to say "my work means what I mean it to mean, and if you don't get it, that's your problem" -- but it's never that simple. If you're approaching an assignment from a position of incredible privilege, say as a cover cartoonist for the New Yorker, you can't just write off the unintended consequences of your expression. If you insist on doing so, maybe that is racist."

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Salon and the New Yorker are Corporate Liberals ....
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 14, 2008 12:56 AM   
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And they are just part of the Main Stream Media ...

What they did was indeed shocking and tasteless but it gives us the glimpse behind the facade at these two publications.

The fact is they belong to the corporate club. Their social agenda is indeed quite left but their economic agenda is all Wall Street. They are pro New York and the same people that pushed the Clinton~ Rubin economic plan that camouflaged the damage being done to the middle class. Remember that Clinton brought China into the WTO, it was Clinton that overturned Glass~Steagal, it was Clinton that signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act that gave carte blanche to media conglomeration, it was Clinton that signed Welfare Reform and remember it was Clinton that signed NAFTA. The New Yorker and Salon are the mouthpieces for the DLC, Republican Lite, Corporate branch of the Democratic Party.

These magazine covers show how they really feel about Obama. That he is a just a caricature to be played with. That he needs to be brought down a notch or two. It is the arrogance of Ivy league elite that says, yes you graduated here with honors but you didn't belong to the right fraternity. Yes you are a success but don't attend the right soirees. You Barack, are not of our class.

Having said all that : Vote Green, Obama and the lot of them are just shills for the the idea of corporate socialism that will throw an extra crust of bread to the hoi polloi.

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» YES, Truth IS inconvenient... Posted by: zipper696
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» SEE SAM SMITH'S THOUGHTS Posted by: citizen chump
Look at the profile of the editors & writers
Posted by: weathered on Jul 14, 2008 1:11 AM   
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they fear confronting there own truths, they're cocktail phonies and bores who write about there own importance - and therein lies the power of fiction.

Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the fraud.

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Grow a sense of humor!
Posted by: johnmccormack on Jul 14, 2008 2:35 AM   
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Anyone who has not had a lobotomy should be able to tell that such images, etc. are merely poking fun at the asinine level of attack that the right-wing calls its contribution to political discourse. But if the conclusion is not to engage in political humor at all because conservatives can't get a joke and will use such obvious sarcasm as cannon fodder, then I suppose we should decry Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert for being Republican attack machines. Seriously though, humor is one of the best ways to unmask the idiocy of Rovian politics. Given how depressing the American political "process" is, a little bit of humor helps us to survive the drivel of BOTH corporate candidates and their surrogates.

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» RE: Grow sense of humor? EXACTLY! Posted by: ChicagoPaul
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» Amen, amen, amen... Posted by: J. Bo
Right wing hate,left wing snottyness
Posted by: GPFrank on Jul 14, 2008 3:19 AM   
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You should ssee the blogs that get posted on Greenwalds' "Black Vault', talk about splitting America

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American sense of humor
Posted by: ChrisBrown on Jul 14, 2008 3:20 AM   
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The New Yorker cover is mildly funny and clearly not to be taken seriously. The uproar, hurt feelings, and fears in the Obama camp that Americans won't get that it is a joke are all laughable. This strengthens my opinion - Americans have problems grasping irony, satire, or any humor more sophisticated than talking babies or men getting hit in the crotch.

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» govfoe= Ignorant Asshole Posted by: thumber77
How Stupid!
Posted by: shill on Jul 14, 2008 3:25 AM   
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With so called "friends" like these, Mr. Obama doesn't NEED enemies. This is EXACTLY the image the far right is trying to plaster him with, and "satire" or not, The New Yorker has just helped them in doing so. Now, at the risk of sounding "elitist" probably, many Americans don't read The New Yorker, especially those most prone to believe such caricatures of Obama and his wife, but in my opinion this just lends more credence to the saying, "The Right is wrong, and the Left is stupid."

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» RE: How Stupid! Posted by: rockpicker
» Doubt you'll see this, Sojourner... Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
Why?
Posted by: Magginkat on Jul 14, 2008 3:33 AM   
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So why does Alternet print this offensive picture 4 times?

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The sad truth
Posted by: thebana on Jul 14, 2008 3:36 AM   
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I am almost ashamed to say that i believe this will be seen by many many people but a majority of them will never hear it was supposed to be an ironic satire. Instead this will validate their radical beliefs such as Obama is a Muslim or Obama is too "black" to be president (whatever that means). What im trying to say is that the sad truth is most Americans do not stay informed or try to look more into something they heard or saw instead a majority of Americans respond to images and quick soundbites and that is the responsibility of the American people to go out and vote for the right candidate not the one who wants to extend our war to other nations and far into the future.

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it

Edward R. Murrow

so i would love to hear any comments or feedback in agreement or dissent of my opinion

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» If the Obamas were WHITE, Posted by: mcartri
HOW FUNNY!!
Posted by: bbfmail on Jul 14, 2008 3:56 AM   
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Got a good laugh. I think the supposed satire actually, very intentionally told us how the New Yorker staff really feels about the Obama.

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This cover is about as funny as...
Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Jul 14, 2008 4:33 AM   
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jokes about rape or genocide. Some people (the victims) might not "get" the joke. Sarcasm is entirely contextual - just having arrogant pretentions is no justification for exploiting racist fantasies for profit. Big thanks to Don Hazen for this article and for including the varied views of bloggers.
Sue

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Missing the Point
Posted by: bobconway on Jul 14, 2008 4:37 AM   
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Don Hazen apparently misses the point. This "New Yorker" cover is a satiric attack on the ridiculous hyperbole and outright lies coming from the hydrophobic right, not an attack on the Obamas. Most regular "New Yorker" readers will get it. If you've ever actually LOOKED at any of their previous covers and the cartoons that have adorned the "New Yorker's" pages for the last fifty years or so you would know that dark, ironic humor is practically a registered trademark of theirs. It is what regular "New Yorker" readers have come to expect.

The author's drawing negative attention to this "New Yorker" cover is more likely to alert the moronic right to it than would the cover in and of itself, and yes, some of them surely WILL try to exploit it for political gain. This magazine is likely rarely even be noticed let alone read by most of the people whose idiocy is being lampooned by this cover. Thanks a lot, Don, for tipping them off!

The Obamas are probably having a bit of a nervous laugh over this dark joke themselves, even though it does depict a grim reality which they -- and we ALL -- must face virtually every day of this campaign season: The insane and insidious misinformation campaign being vigorously pursued by the knuckle-dragging wing of the Republican Party and their swift-boating running dogs. These are people in desperate NEED of being lampooned. Thanks, "New Yorker," for having the guts to take them on!

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» RE: Missing the Point Posted by: Martin32
» RE: Missing the Point Posted by: Lauren
Dumb
Posted by: BST on Jul 14, 2008 4:44 AM   
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Poor judgment.

But then, who still wastes money on the NY'er?

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» I do! Posted by: olderworker
Unfair to Salon; spot on for the New Yorker
Posted by: norsegirl on Jul 14, 2008 4:49 AM   
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Salon has been unfairly grouped with the New Yorker cartoon here; the Salon article was explicit that it was responding to false rumors about Obama and that it was addressing them head on.

This isn't even close to what the New Yorker did, with its uncritically presented, racist, and xenophobic image.

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A Picture Speaks a Thousand Words
Posted by: motorchickd on Jul 14, 2008 4:56 AM   
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A Picture Speaks a Thousand Words and so this one needs no explanation for those who have only heard and believe that Obama and his mama are muslimites. IF the New Yorker is liberal, then the next cover or 3, ought to be depictions of the truth, not lies. Of course, maybe they are not so liberal...but that's not what Fox News will say as they show this all over ever program they have. SHAME ON YOU NEW YORKER!

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» RE: A Picture Speaks a Thousand Words Posted by: beautifulady2003
The New Yorker is Ignorant
Posted by: terradea42 on Jul 14, 2008 5:06 AM   
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Attention Right Wingers: This is a joke. Obama is not a Muslim and his wife does not carry a gun on her back. It's called satire and, even though you don't understand it, believe me, it's not real.

Intelligent people will know this is mocking the right wing; unfortunately, most Americans are not intelligent and will take this at face value. Shame on the New Yorker for ignoring that fact.

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» RE: The New Yorker is Ignorant Posted by: pete1029
» RE: The New Yorker is Ignorant Posted by: naryaquid
Big Deal
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 14, 2008 5:11 AM   
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Another tempest in a teapot. If Obama can't stand up to a cartoon on a magazine cover and prevail, he's not presidential material. Besides, he's just as "corporate" as the New Yorker anyway.

Making a big deal out of a cartoon magazine cover just shows how stupid the American public perceives itself to be. And they're probably right.

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» Well said Posted by: form5166
Where's the BUSH cover? Sorry he is UNTOUCHABLE!
Posted by: williameon on Jul 14, 2008 5:21 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How cartoon of Pope Ratsburger: Sainting The Shrub?
A cartoon of Dead Eye Dick chewing up American Soldier's!
A cartoon of Hillery watching Bill getting ahead?
A cartoon of Jewish Soldiers Torturing Journalists?
A cartoon of Zionist using American Dollars to buy nuclear waste buried in Gaza.
A cartoon of a nuclear sub equipped with nuclear missiles flying the star of David?
A cartoon of the millions of people mutilated and maimed by this WAR!
A cartoon of Dead Eye Dick shooting America in the face while giving it the Finger.
A Cartoon of the Bush family tree:
From his Grandfather trying to overthrow the American government in 1933, supporting the Nazi's 1942, till the
The 2000 selection,
911, Iraq, All children left behind, rescinding 400 plus pollution laws, spying, lying, propaganda, torture, terrorism and treason.
Telling the G8: Goodbye from the worlds biggest polluter.
Till he finally achieved total hypocrisy with the passage of the spying Bill!
Now That's Funny!
It's sad that all we get is Cartoons of the Faux Media making jokes about themselves.
Anything to sell sensationalist trash but,
The TRUTH!
Corpirates Gone Wild
Jabrones!!!!!!!!!!!!

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» Bush WAS On the Cover Posted by: Sparks56
Why Are the New Yorker, Salon and Other Liberal Media Doing the Right's Dirty Work?
Posted by: loxias on Jul 14, 2008 5:33 AM   
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Because at the highest levels, they obviously dance to the same puppet strings as every other established media outlet. I pick the Blue Team! No way! I pick the Red Team! Everyone come quick the teams are going to compete now! Put down your Financial Times! Stop reading the fine print on your Mortgage! Don't cash in those stocks yet! Don't worry about the weather it's a cycle! Don't worry about business it's a cycle! The troops are winning! SLEEP WELL AND SWEET DREAMS AMERICA

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David Remnick loses a subscriber
Posted by: Figfest on Jul 14, 2008 5:34 AM   
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I could accept substantive criticism of Obama or even an endorsement of McCain.

This cover simply demonstrates appalling judgment. If it was intended as "satire" of anti-Obama smears, it could have been framed differently.

I have subscribed to the New Yorker for more than 30 years. No longer. I can no longer trust the editor's judgment. I have cancelled my subscription this morning and await my refund.

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» CPM Posted by: edith
» HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Posted by: Prophit
New Yorker has lost its sense of humor
Posted by: justaperson on Jul 14, 2008 5:39 AM   
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The cover of the New Yorker this week was, according to the magazine, supposed to be satirical. Their excuse for this tasteless choice was the 1st Amendment, the right to free speech and the historic link the magazine has to political satire. Okay. I'm all for the First Amendment, and I really like political satire, but to portray the Obamas as Middle Eastern terrorists is about as funny as having a cover showing John McCain in a prison camp scoffing down a bottle of Viagra while Miss Cindy sits on his lap guzzling a martini and tossing down a handful of tranquilizers.

Would I find that funny?

Absolutely not.

Will millions of people who pass by a newsstand see the cover and feel even more convinced these good Americans are Muslims?

You betcha.

Satire demands a certain amount of sophistication. Most of the people who think Barack Obama is a Muslim lack that quality. They believe what they read in the National Enquirer. They believe the doubts about Obama expressed on Fox News or in scurrilous emails, and they will believe this cover has some validity.

Duh?

Don't tell me the New Yorker wasn't aware of this.

Shock-jock journalism ought to be beneath a magazine like the New Yorker.

www.http://caroleborgespoet.blogspot.com/

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News Alert
Posted by: chorton on Jul 14, 2008 5:40 AM   
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News Alert; major story seriously underreported:

The New York Times (7/2/08) and Cleveland Plain Dealer (7/4) carried the story "Steelworkers form global union", which began

"The United Steelworkers signed a merger agreement with the largest
labor organization in Britain and Ireland to create what union leaders
said would be the world's first global union. The new union, to be
called Workers Uniting, will represent more than 2.8 million workers
in the steel, paper, oil, health care and transportation industries.
Officials said the union plans to hold trans-Atlantic negotiations
with companies, including the oil conglomerate BP and ArcelorMittal,
the giant steel maker."

The story was also covered by the BBC, Time Magazine, the Huffington
Post, Yahoo and FOX Business, and rated two sentences in the Christian Science Monitor.

It was apparently not carried by AP or UPI, or reported by ABC, CBS, BBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, Washington Times, Miami Herald, Boston Globe, Detroit Free Press or Chicago Tribune. Or much of anyone else.

It is fair to say that most news-watchers - myself included - did not see this story. Is it news? Is it important information? Is it interesting? Then why was it ignored?

Help break their power to block the news by passing this and other "silenced stories" along. Copy this news alert and post it on websites and blogs, send it to your friends and the lists you are on, with an appeal to pass it along.

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» RE: News Alert Posted by: jgorilla
» RE: News Alert Posted by: Lauren
Get Real
Posted by: Pippi on Jul 14, 2008 5:42 AM   
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No, AlterNet; it is YOU who are doing the Right's "dirty work" by overreacting to the cover. The cover is obviously satire and makes a caricature of the fear-mongering Right. By seeing it as anything else, you give dignity to the ravings of the Right. Cease and desist. Get back to the real issues facing this country right now. Force the Right to face these issues as well.

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how dare the New Yorker
Posted by: pete1029 on Jul 14, 2008 5:44 AM   
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How dare the New Yorker produce a satirical picture of Obama which whilst its message will be quite clear to its readers, it could potentially be misconstrued by such to be negative of Obama. Was the New Yorker not made aware that the sole aim of all liberal media is to get Obama elected and doing anything, which could even be misconstrued as anti Obama must not be aired.

How dare the New Yorker only think about its readers when releasing a cover, surly it should be forced to take the considerations all other American's who don't read or buy their magazine into consideration before making their magazine.

Hopefully this episode will teach the New Yorker that liberal magazines are only allowed to portray Obama in a God like Manner (i.e. the rolling stone cover).

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» RE: how dare the New Yorker Posted by: Bozwell
This New Yorker cover just cost me $50.00.
Posted by: Christie on Jul 14, 2008 5:54 AM   
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I am sending $50.00 to the Barack Obama campaign as my humble attempt to help Obama counterbalance this unfortunate negative publicity by a presumably leftist magazine. (As a teacher on partial retirement, I retired at age 60 after 27 years teaching so got only 50% retirement and in MA teachers get no Social Security. So $50.00 is quite a lot of money for me.) I hope all Obama supporters on this Site will also make a contribution in accordance with your means.

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Ford & Kissinger on the cover of New York Magazine August 1974
Posted by: boing007 on Jul 14, 2008 5:55 AM   
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In the fall of 1974 the front cover of New York magazine showed President Ford and Henry Kissinger in Army combat uniforms hitting the beach somewhere in the Middle East, with bombs and bullets flying everywhere. One of the balloon captions above President Ford's head said 'are we gonna let these wogs kick sand in our faces?' The article inside analyzed the possibility of the United States of America preparing for the invasion of oil rich Arab lands if the production of oil would be cut off. My, my, my.

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There is a Desperate ACHE to feel insulted...
Posted by: owlbear1 on Jul 14, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Jumping on ANY chance to show Self-Righteous indignation.

I think it has to do with how powerless we all feel about what is happening.

People really need to CALM down and maybe take a few weeks off before the convention.

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Take more cheap shots, you are tougher
Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Jul 14, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Taking these pops, being able to, sublimating them, even getting what they are trying to suggest, which is handling terrorism, makes a candidate more likely to win the general election.

Though Yahoo led an article on how some voters think McCain is too old, which is not true and a cheap shot on the mind; some force wants you to think people are that unsensing: Really there is a mind controll that transcends politics. Tune into that spiritual dimension of our oppression. Just know what the euphemism The Kingdom of God means, and you shall be free of some complexes. Or, by that matter any spiritual knowledge should show a political transcendance.

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LOL
Posted by: Nebris on Jul 14, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Don, baby, when did you start working for the New Yorkers advertising dept? This screed is worth 30,000 extra copies sold.

BTW They made Michelle Obama look like Angela Davis. We like Angela Davis. =)

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humor is hard
Posted by: whealeydj on Jul 14, 2008 6:06 AM   
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because not everyone has your sense of humor. On alternet it is sometimes hard to distinguish humorous comments which can be interpreted as outrageous. On the other hand some people say outrageous things and then say they are only trying to be humorous; the anorexic tv blonde like to compare herself to Mark Twain. I think Obama and Hazen have overplayed the slander of New Yorker attempt at humor; now everyone who has barely heard of the New Yorker will see the cartoon. a better car toon would have been to show a Fox viewer envisioning Obama in White House as it was and a Newsweek or Ebony readers seeing the Obamas as MicJack and Jackie Kennedy. Same people projecting their world view on the Obamas.

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» RE: humor is hard Posted by: revjmike
Images matter
Posted by: johngary on Jul 14, 2008 6:11 AM   
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In the nineteenth century these type of political attack cartoons were very popular and very, very effective. One can think of the crying baby and the attack “Mom, mom where is pa? Gone to the White House–Ha, Ha, Ha!
It is the image that matters stupid! The image lasts long after the article.
It is the image of Obama as a Muslim that will remain in peoples mind long after the thought content of the article fades from memory. It will shape their prejudice, their subconscious reflective response and ultimately how they vote. And don’t tell me the editors of the New Yorker were unaware of these underlying psychological facts when they published their cover.
The hidden persuaders are at work and their intent is malevolent!!!
Think of the images of those strong Blond Aryan Brown Shirts with the swastikas on their arm that appeared on so many Nazi posters. Those weren’t funny caricatures, they were powerful images that fostered the Nazi agenda in Germany. Those that laughed at those images laughed at their peril!
It is the image that lingers that matters.

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Obama Poster
Posted by: marusasma on Jul 14, 2008 6:21 AM   
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To say that this poster is tasteless and humorless is a gross understatement. I'm really fed up with the media's attempt to put who they want into the White House. I thought we lived in a democracy, but its becoming increasingly clear that we don't. Even Obama is talking about increasing troops into the Middle East instead of getting out. While I really can't stand Obama, I also will not vote for McCain either, so where is the choice? Neither one instill any confidence whatsoever in me that they will do the job the PEOPLE want done instead of the hidden agendas as usual.

Getting back to the New Yorker cover, they need to issue an apology to the Obamas. That cover is just tacky and racist in the extreme.

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"Drama Trolls"??
Posted by: owlbear1 on Jul 14, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Waves of the 'indignantly' traumatized?

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Try this
Posted by: Cynic13 on Jul 14, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Here's a list of all Conde Nast publications - don't buy them and/or cancel your subscription!

Vogue
W
style.com
Glamour
Allure
Self
Teen Vogue
GQ
Details
Men's Vogue
men.style.com
Architectural Digest
Brides
Modern Bride
Elegant Bride
Brides.com
Lucky
Domino
Cookie
Golf Digest
Golf World
Golf for Women
Vanity Fair
Gourmet
Bon Appétit
epicurious.com
Condé Nast Traveler
concierge.com
Wired
Wired.com
Condé Nast Portfolio
Portfolio.com
The New Yorker

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Outrage Is As Outrage Does
Posted by: JohnJlws on Jul 14, 2008 6:33 AM   
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People, like the poster child for post-birth abortion, Ann Coulter, have led the way in securing “outrage” as the new vehicle for communicating anything remotely of substance. Here’s my prediction The New Yorker will sell out. The right will snap it up to be used as their poster for this election since they have a candidate who looks in the mirror every morning and says “Hey, there, George” and they haven’t an idea beyond “tax cut.” The right will send out emails stating, “Here, even The New Yorker, the most liberal of liberal rags, says the Obamas are suspect. Take a look for yourself” and then they’ll have the cover in the text of the email. If there’s an article that follows, it won’t be the one from The New Yorker, but another article supporting the picture’s allusion. And, maybe they’ll go ahead and attach the article knowing that only about 1 in 100,000 will ever read it. The left will snap up the magazine to see the article behind the picture and because “it’s controversial” and the best entertainment since OJ. And CNN and MSNBC, and CBS, NBC, ABC and Fools will cover this ad nausea, meanwhile the government is limply, as they did for New Orleans, trying to bail out the mortgage industry, oil continues to be the reason we fight and die and that’s simply at the pump, food costs are skyrocketing, we lost 9 more of “America’s finest” in Afghanistan (this time) yesterday, Iraq continues to inflame the Middle East and drain our financial, military and moral coffers, bin Laden is still hanging out in his dress in a cave somewhere, and John McCain is looking for the next country he can totally offend by declaring cigarettes are a legitimate tool of genocide as though we have such a stellar world reputation we can afford 4 more years of Bush’s brain.

And the MSM and others will be talking about magazine covers and what Jesse said.

We need a serious conversation in this country concerning race. It’s been a couple hundred years since the signing of our country’s vision, the Declaration of Independence, with its immortal words “all men are created equal” and it’s been almost 150 years since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves from their literal shackles, but we have never had a discussion to free all of us from the shackles of the disease of racism. Martin started the conversation, but after he was killed and some appeasement and progress was made, everyone sort of went about the business of building up their 401(k)s.

We need a serious conversation in this country concerning what we want our world to look like in three or four or five generations. This perpetual war model is a really good one, but I fear the outcome will eventually not be to our liking.

We need a serious conversation in this country about fear. Look at what we’ve done since 9-1-1. If at the end of that reflection you don’t say something like “JESUS CHRIST!!!” try again as you’ve missed a great deal.

We need a serious conversation in this country about the role of the media. It’s gone from iconic newscasters to people who just sort of make shit up and scream at one another. I think Edward R. has probably long since exhausted himself rolling over in his grave.

We need a serious conversation in this country about everything from infrastructure to our penal system to education.

I don’t know that Obama can solve all the ills of the world. I know McCain will have difficulty solving one as his goal is "to be President," not offer legitimate solutions to what ails us. But, hopefully, President Obama will consider continuing the discussion Martin started as it’s incomplete and we’ve wasted far too much energy on dilly-dallying around its edges, never really coming to grips with even this most rudimentary fear.

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» RE: Outrage Is As Outrage Does Posted by: JohnJlws
So What
Posted by: jgorilla on Jul 14, 2008 6:35 AM   
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Every politician gets a bad cover and lives with it but if its Obama then it is unacceptable. Its about time someone in the media treated him just like everyone else gets treated. And please while you are doing your job ask him for his real, original birth certificate not the photoshop fake one that he posted on his website.

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Stop the hand-wringing!
Posted by: gwpinetree on Jul 14, 2008 6:35 AM   
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I'm a subscriber of the New Yorker and expect to be for years to come.

I think the cover is dead-on. It's a reductio ad absurdum that could very well embarrass the MSM into mocking every goofy right-wing caricature we've had to endure about center and left-of-center candidates for years.

I think the notion that Americans aren't going to get this is itself elitist. Considerations of "framing" are just overwrought, IMHO. If we really believe all that crap, we may as well give up on democracy. Democracty ispredicated on the ability of people to maximize their self-interest while compromising with people who have competing interests; if people are too stupid to act in their own interest, why have democracy? I submit that if people are too stupid to get that cover, then there's no hope for democracy, and our problem is a lot bigger than has been admitted in this thread so far.

I applaud the New Yorker for taking back the goofy "Muslem Terrorist" trope and stomping on it.

We can't shrink from attacking false propaganda, and we can't stoop to mythologizing or propagandizing ourselves.

The New Yorker has been a bastion of sophisticated (by which I don't mean elitist!) liberal thought for decades. Let's not confuse it for our real enemy.

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» RE: Stop the hand-wringing! Posted by: pizzmoe
» RE: Stop the hand-wringing! Posted by: Lauren
Some friends
Posted by: Democritus on Jul 14, 2008 6:37 AM   
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With friends like The New Yorker and Salon progressives don't need enemies.

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» RE: Some friends Posted by: Lauren
A win win and every body does it
Posted by: solrev on Jul 14, 2008 6:47 AM   
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People walking passed a newsstand and see the cover and buy the mag. One person is aware of Obama and Hannity’s world and they say cool. The next person says, see I told you so. Nothing personal it’s just business.

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No excuse
Posted by: NoDrama on Jul 14, 2008 6:48 AM   
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The Barry Blitt illustration selected for the cover of the July 21, 2008 New Yorker magazine will echo until at least the day of the general election, if not well beyond, perpetuating the lies and misconceptions while feeding the egos of the smear-mongers who will grin like canary-fed Cheshire cats.

Worse yet, the imagery demeans more than just the Obamas; it belittles virtually all with African ancestry as well as those of the Muslim faith. It will become a de facto viral smear all by itself. Perhaps in the future this will become known as "pulling a New Yorker" or having a "New Yorker moment." (They just eclipsed Jesse Jackson's genitalia comment, don't you think?) It will foster a great dialog, and garner attention to the magazine, but in the end it's the impact on those who don't read the New Yorker which is at issue.

It was clearly an attempt at humor, conceived to poke fun at the worst rumors and whisper campaigns. I'm sad, because I like the magazine for decades. The editors had to know what would happen to their cover art on the net - and that many more would see Blitt's work than will ever read the article.

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More Of The Same
Posted by: desidid on Jul 14, 2008 6:54 AM   
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Do you really believe it is just MSM that says one thing but means another? AlterNet regularly post articles about and by "feminist" and the "feminist agenda" yet they have never responded to my calls for regular representation of an African-American female writer. My guess is they can't find one willing to sell her soul and carry water for the phoney Liberal Left like Earl Hutchinson. That being said I read everything with a skepitcal view, because I actually understand the history of this nation, and how policy is formed. I also understand the art of indoctrination and the Willie Lynch doctrine. White people have worked hard at the art of degradation of Blacks. This is simply an extension in the guise of addressing the lies that persist regarding the Obamas.

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Upper West Side
Posted by: Elfits on Jul 14, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Jake Tapper is clearly revealing his political stripes. That would be Upper West Side liberals. Upper East Side is the bastion of the old-monied, right wing. Where does Jake live?

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Ok, say it with me, Kids...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 14, 2008 6:58 AM   
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There is no truly liberal mainstream media. There is no truly liberal mainstream media. They are all beholden to corporate interests.

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It's ironic that...
Posted by: jgrossnas on Jul 14, 2008 7:02 AM   
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The NYer cover that lampoons ignorant stereotypes about Obama probably will in fact reinforce them with the people that are being made fun of in the first place- the very ones who harbor those stereotypes. I don't believe the magazine was purposely feeding these ignorant rumors about Obama but they definitely didn't think it over enough before they decided on that cover- they knew that their own readership would get the joke (which isn't very clever actually) but obviously didn't consider or care about how it would be perceived outside of that circle. Most likely, the cover will be used and abused by wing-nuts and the GOP slime crew as a convenient way to keep spreading myths.

And the points that have been made here in the comment section about a similar cartoon about McCain is very poignant. The NYer wouldn't have the guts to do the same thing to him for the same reason a lot of mainstream media outlets wouldn't do it- they're too afraid of the right-wing media machine and getting called out as 'the liberal media' and for making fun of a war hero. That's the same reason that any minor deviation of position from Obama is a flip-flop while every 180 degree turn by McCain is simply glossed over. Not exactly fair and balanced, is it?

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» RE: It's ironic that... Posted by: Lauren
Interesting graphic
Posted by: crazy carlos on Jul 14, 2008 7:03 AM   
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I am reading this at 7:45Am Mountain Time and already one or a few more persons it would appear has been sitting and giving practically all comments a 3 rating thus influncing a real up or down reading of the article. Just for the hell of it, I would like to see if I am correct--that one or several persons were involved in doing this. It would only take 1-5 people to completely distort any rating system such as this. All those 3's in consecutive order--I don't think so!! Crazy carlos

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» RE: Interesting graphic Posted by: Lauren
The REAL Outrage
Posted by: jonnymil on Jul 14, 2008 7:05 AM   
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gwpinetree hit the nail on the head, knocked one out of the park, pick your euphemism, it is correct. It was also stated in these comments as a reminder that "we LIKE Angela Davis."

I have never been able to understand why the "accusation" that Senator Obama might practice Islam is a charge that must be so ardently defended against. Shouldn't the appropriate response be "so what?" Are Muslims prohibited from running for office, being elected, or committing decent acts of public service? Who's being prejudicial now?

When Mrs. Obama said that she had never been more proud to be an American, are we to state, like Pat Buchanan, that black people in America are the luckiest most fortunate black people on the planet and should stop their whining?

And ultimately, if the fear of American progressives (who are moderately left compared to real leftists the world over) is that their opinions and ideologies might be in the minority AND they still want to win in the most democratic elections possible, then "I have seen the enemy, and they are us." The truest thing that can be said about democracy is that you get the democracy you deserve. Al Gore did not become president, after winning the election--even in Florida--because his rebuttal to then-Governor Bush was "I agree..."

When a conservative of any variety moves to the center, like McCain, he or she is perceived weak. When a progressive does it, he or she is rightly perceived as spineless. Obama, if he is a progressive, should use this campaign season as an opportunity to state that the strength of America is her--is OUR--diversity. His daughters can see in Senator Clinton that a woman can become president. Women have in fact become heads of state in the Middle East, even in strict Muslim dominated nations, but not in liberated, liberal America. And people of differing faiths can be superb leaders and bring people together.

The truly sad and disappointing part of this story is the quick rebuttal and complaint of the Obama campaign to the New Yorker. And I am not a subscriber. Nor a Muslim.

If we don't really believe in equality, then we shouldn't so ardently support democracy. And if we DO believe in equality, then we shouldn't foster the myth that Obama being a Muslim would be outrageous. If America votes for another Republican administration because of the misperception that the Democratic Candidate hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior, then America gets the "democracy" it deserves.

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Crying Fire in a Crowded Theater
Posted by: macdon1 on Jul 14, 2008 7:07 AM   
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While the New Yorker may have the LIBERTY to print whatever it wants, it certainly does not have the LICENSE to fan the flames of racism and bigotry. The Obamas have been the target of what might well be termed hate crimes, were they ordinary citizens. To publish such a picture just makes matters worse. One picture is worth a thousand words...in this case all the words are negative and hateful.

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Good Grief
Posted by: judyschultz on Jul 14, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I've been reading The New Yorker since the 40s. Their humor in recent years occasionally eludes me--I'm getting a bit old to "get" all the edgiest comments and cartoons. Their covers through the years often provide a shock, though this one provides merely a slight jolt. I find the above article decrying The New Yorker's bad taste similar to the faux journalism found in much of the media--"Oh dear, we must report on this terribly shocking bit of news"--and then it's picked up by every other faux news reporter, to be tsk tsked and clucked over endlessly.

Yeah, the moronic far right might believe that the Obamas are Muslims, but they wouldn't be reading the New Yorker anyway. So proliferation of this discusssion, starting with this article is what may eventually get their attention.

I say: Lighten up, Guys! We should be grown-up enough to handle The New Yorker covers and Salon headlines without going into shock and temper tantrums.

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Double Edged Swords
Posted by: culheath on Jul 14, 2008 7:37 AM   
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I haven't read ever single comment, but no one seems to have mentioned the idea that the controversy Blitt's drawing is engendering can just as easily be the rallying point for dismissing all these outlandish right wing smear rumors.

I also consider the "shhhh...don't even say or show it, lest we re-inforce the negativity" to be a load of crap. I understand the point of the section on framing and allow that there is some measure of truth to it, but its way overboard insofar as it supposes that people have no choice in how they react to media stimulation. To my mind that's just falling subject to the politics of fear in a big way.

After all, should we let the politics of fear be an influence on the "The Politics of Fear"?

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justgreenleaf
Posted by: justgreenleaf on Jul 14, 2008 7:40 AM   
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A disgrace.....What else is there to say.

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The problem I have with this is that it is
Posted by: PressurePoint on Jul 14, 2008 7:41 AM   
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COMPLETELY inappropriate in the context of the timing! Whats at stake is the most important US Presidential Election in my 50 years! Has The New Yorker ever had a cover that made Bush look like the deranged chimp we all see him as? Hmmm, didn't think so.

By inference, and based upon some of the other opinions expressed here, it really does look like the work of some smart-assed Ivy league frat boys whose sense of entitlement is threatened by the success of a self-made black man from Chicago.

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Call the New Yorker and complain - I did
Posted by: cori on Jul 14, 2008 7:42 AM   
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We are in a fight fo our survival - whatever Obama is he is better then McCain- we do not need another Bush! Another Bush would put the economic nails in the coffin of this nation. By the way McCain did not support the GI bill or Veterans benefits!

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If I can't dance...
Posted by: old lefty on Jul 14, 2008 7:44 AM   
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We need to think what kind of left we want and who our role models and hero's are. Do we want an authoritarian left that can't smile at itself and sees offense in every "politically incorrect" comment or can we look in the mirror at ourselves and understand our excesses. As Emma Goldman said, "If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution". In the case of the NYorker cover it is the left's inability to tolerate and appreciate a "swiftian" (as opposed to swiftboat) satire that is so scary.
A real biting attack on Obama would have been not to parady the right's perception of him as the cover does but perhaps to point out the authoritarian style implicit in his mass rallies. (this is not only the 40th anniversary year of the march on Washington but the 70th anniversary year of the Nurenberg rally). Calm down leftie-- I'm being "out there" in a Yippie sort of way.

But a serious point would be that the left should be scared of mass demonstrations that pay homage to individuals rather than ideas and that certain south american populists masquerading as socialists are not our role models in style or substance.

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Whats next- McCain wearing a sheet?
Posted by: BettynotWilma on Jul 14, 2008 7:52 AM   
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And Cindy sitting on a pile of cash and empty beer cans?!

There have been plenty of studies that demonstrate the unintended consequences when "satire" is used to direct a message. In order to "get" the satire-you have know the truth of the situation. Unfortunately, the pic on the front of the magazine feeds into the internet rumor mill that lots of folks believe as true. The cover of the mag only reinforces their beliefs. Love our 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech...unfortunately it doesn't always equate with freedom to know the truth.

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I Thought Irony Died in NY After 9/11
Posted by: nolafugees on Jul 14, 2008 7:58 AM   
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...but apparently it is alive and well, and in publications beyond VICE magazine's hipster-narcissus "Do's & Dont's."

According to HL Mencken, "Freedom of the press is limited to those who have one," and Conde Nast indeed does have one, and has the ear of many an East Coast middle-mind. In fact, I imagine there is a great deal of crossover readership between Alternet & the NY'er, and I know that the average consumer of the NY'er already leans toward a Babylon of their own identity politics.

That this readership should live in fear of the hoi barbaroi of our republic says a great deal about the state of the Left in the American political dialogue. But then, Alternet asks you to donate to help publish their "election guide," (for a mere $50, you get a copy of a $4 book) and just last week ran a story that called Chris Hitchens a fascist.

So no wonder the Democrats have gotten dusted in the past two Presidential elections; the "radical" base of the Right has no fear, operates with an army of media Jackboots (lol...Orwell), while the Left relies on a media that considers it "irresponsible" to critique the very unwashed masses necessary to win an American national election.

Hazen's editorial decision to scrub rough satire from his publication is an editorial decision, and his to make. The argument of "frames" is valid, but fails to acknowledge the editorial rights of other publications to approach valid arguments (i.e. criticizing the Obama prejudice) through the use of Satire.

For the sake of the Enlightenment, Alternet, Man Up.

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the left is so silly
Posted by: KAEL on Jul 14, 2008 8:12 AM   
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For anyone to take offense at a NYer cover so clearly meant to parody the views of the delusional right just shows why the left in this country will never be anything but the fringe. The NYer critics, while constantly throwing vitriole left and right, cannot take the reality of the most important US Presidential campaign in history.

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Here's what SHOULD have been on the cover
Posted by: zipper696 on Jul 14, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Right side: Barack and Michelle, dressed normally standing before the fire with logs burning.
Center: TV camera with "Fox News" logo on side pointing at them.
Left Side:A monitor with the cover image we are discussing here.

See? Then you get the reality and the nutjob's distorted images as exemplified by Faux News.

Just my 5c worth....

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Obama also recommends eating babies.
Posted by: hcb1975 on Jul 14, 2008 8:21 AM   
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When "A Modest Proposal" was published, people didn't understand Swift's satire, either. Get over it everyone!!!! Censorship doesn't just censor what you find offensive.

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 14, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Wait a minute. What is this about Barack's father being a Muslim? I was told he was areligious bordering on atheistic. Maybe there are some Muslims in his ancestry, but how far back are you going to go with this? It is looking suspiciously like the "three generations back" the Nazis used to define a Jew. Is that what the US neonazis are going for? Are you? Personally, since I am supporting McKinney and the Greens, therefore I care about the truth.

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» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: pomes
» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: phatkhat
Satire yes, of course, but...
Posted by: svlaws on Jul 14, 2008 8:27 AM   
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...the fist-bump is funny. The Angela Davis afro is kinda funny.

Equating an incredibly popular, mainstream presidential candidate with a man who is responsible for murdering thousands of people on American soil? Pretty sick.

I am not the arbiter of what is funny, but I have a sense of common decency. So should the New Yorker.

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» RE: Satire yes, of course, but... Posted by: helenwheels
Free Speech and Freedom of the Press
Posted by: Southern Gal on Jul 14, 2008 8:27 AM   
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We are still supposed to have free speech and freedom of the press in this country. If you don't like the cover, then communicate with the New Yorker. Cancel your subscription or tell them that you won't purchase their magazine again.

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fed up
Posted by: davy on Jul 14, 2008 8:30 AM   
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No more new yorkers for me. Sheeeeeesh !!! Bet ol w and his handlers are laughing.

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New Yorker might be too high-IQ for its current firestorm
Posted by: pomes on Jul 14, 2008 8:31 AM   
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The New Yorker lives on high-class humor and sophisticated satire. Most people for whom such humor is above, would not be readers, and this is probably their first exposure in a long time to the rag.

The caricature was intended for the more intelligent, more sophisticated, more literate audience, who understands concepts such as satire.

These are the same people who would have been up in arms in Johnathon's Swift day for his satirical proposal that we should eat the poor.

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» Oh come on! Satire != IQ Posted by: DanoM
New Yorker readers will understand, but others maybe not
Posted by: DanoM on Jul 14, 2008 9:02 AM   
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First off.. I support the magazines right to publish this. It might not be the choice I would make, but it's their choice to make.

I think that most New Yorker readers/subscribers are used to satirical cartoons that make a point. I grew up in a household where satire was frequently the comedy of choice, so I get it, but many in the rest of America will see it as an enforcement of their stereotypes. That's why I'm in favor of captions for the satirically impaired. A one liner at the bottom that says something like "Conservative Fears" would help those people put it into context.

When I was in 7th grade studying American history our textbook had several historic cartoons and caricatures, but without context explaining them and pointing out that they were reinforcing or making fun of an idea we didn't know what they meant. Political cartoons are best when they are edgy, but context is everything when it comes to interpreting them.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this one! I can only imagine the emails that this will be sent along with...

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Yes, it's satirical, funny--and offensive
Posted by: taxidriver on Jul 14, 2008 9:08 AM   
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I live in a "red" area surrounded by conservative republicans, and believe me, they don't always "get" irony and satire. Particularly offensive is the American flag burning in the fireplace. People have a visceral, or gut, reaction to this that is so strong that it overwhelms more subtle points like, "It's just a joke. Get it?"

I'm sure the intent was humorous and satirical, but the result was racist, insensitive, and highly offensive. For those independents and other voters who haven't already made up their minds, images like this can be quite powerful in influencing their vote. Again, many people vote on "gut" instinct, and the more these images proliferate, the greater the chance they'll influence people by raising insidious doubts.

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Just on the "flag burning" thing
Posted by: helenwheels on Jul 14, 2008 9:09 AM   
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I did a blog entry about how conservatives are guilty of desecrating the flag on a grand scale and are too stupid to know it. So, how exactly did Obama become the desecrater of the flag? Did he actually burn one, or is this still a reaction to his failure to wear a flag pin? The flag pin, btw, is also a desecration in itself.

I find it sort of funny that I've known, all my life, about flag protocol and what you are supposed to and not supposed to do to and/or with the flag. Why are flag-humping rightwingers that last to know how to honor the flag they so vehemently stand behind?

I'm no jingoist, in fact, I actually think flags are bullshit. But I couldn't resist posting about the blatant stupidity of the neocons & conservatives & bible-humpers on this topic. If everyone spreads the word, that WEARING the flag or DRAWING on the flag or making things OUT OF FLAGS is against protocol maybe the righties will shut the hell up already about the goddamn FLAG PIN.

Conservatives love to desecrate the flag

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Finally Someone Realizes What Salon is Up To...
Posted by: madamedestael on Jul 14, 2008 9:17 AM   
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Oh Salon, Salon, where for art thou Salon???

The Salon of old is no more, replaced by this new, HillaryClinton.com, Obama-bashing and trashing theme.

Even from back in the earliest days after Obama declared, Debra Dickerson was over at Salon posting her "Obama's not really Black, he's an African African-American" drivel.

And then, of course, we have editor Joan Walsh's formulaic "I'm concerned about Obama's _____ (fill in blank)" blog headlines.

And these are just the tip of the iceberg. A week doesn't go by without several overt or subtle anti-Obama pieces in Salon.

Walsh was and remains a Hillary fanatic and an open Obama detractor, and Salon's coverage since 2007 has been assigned and written through that biased and skewed filter. Even the occasional positive article about Obama will get a totally skewed headline and graphic, meant to misdirect.

That is why a group of us have created Salon: the Parody -- to satirize the complete absurdity of Salon in the last 18 months, its ineffectual and harping primary coverage, and its seeming commitment to bashing Obama -- when they're not damning him with faint praise of course.

The only way to survive what Salon has become -- besides reading a lot more Alternet and HuffPo of course -- is to laugh...because otherwise, we'd cry.

Thanks Don Hazen, for seeing through Salon and telling it like it is.

Mme DeStael
Salon: the Parody

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» Bookmarked already, thank you! Posted by: war_on_tara
The Truth is often said in Jest
Posted by: mberg on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 AM   
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I am not an Obama supporter. In fact, in fact I am afraid he will use Clinton's administration as a road map for his own. In doing so, he will subvert the will of the people and continue the unprecedented power of corporatism. However, I am deeply disappointed by the New Yorker. Perhaps they need to replace the spray cans and magic markers they keep in the editors' bathroom. What a bunch of jerks.

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donnal
Posted by: donnal on Jul 14, 2008 9:22 AM   
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What a great cover...finally this race is not about race. When we can truly poke fun at a candidate that is black and not have everyone go over the top...this can only mean that he is just as regular as the other candidates who have fun poke at them at well. Not everything is about his race, so you all take a chill, laugh, and enjoy the press. As they say any press is good press...

This is only a start if he becomes the candidate...

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» RE: donnal Posted by: halweiner
Just corp medias why to make it a "game"
Posted by: gazzeravl on Jul 14, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Just their way to make the election "too close to call." This is all about making it into a horserace, a football game, a "punt to the final yard," a "home run," all the sports metaphors you can imagine. They don't care about anything other than the ratings and the horserace. It's all just a big game to them. Otherwise there would still be such a thing as investigative reporting, that 98% of all Americans wouldn't get all their news from Charlie Gibson in 17 minutes surrounded by Tampax ads, Ads for "financial investors," and SUVs with "better gas mileage." We get the president they tell us we get and these jokers all think it's funny.

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This is hilarious and right on target. Classic Satire.
Posted by: Lenny L on Jul 14, 2008 9:34 AM   
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I am sickened NOT by the New Yorker Cover which is marvelous from any intelligent point of view, but by the gross political correctness, humorlessness and frankly the stupidity of Don Hazen and much of the Alternet readership not to mention the bloggers who criticise it.

This cartoon hits every target perfectly. Its an hilarious sendup of everything the Right wants you to believe about Obama and shows you how ridiculous it is. Plus its visually stunning. This is Art folks - in fact it's political art at its best.

Anyone who takes it seriously as a critique of Obama is so far to the right they're hopeless anyway. The rest of you "poor offended lefties" need to get some perspective on life. Go see some Marx Brothers, have a drink, smoke a joint - do something to open up your arteries.

On a wild guess I'd wager it was drawn by Art Spiegelman who also did the classic New Yorker cover during the Crown Heights affair of a Hassidic man kissing an African American woman. That one raised a rucus as well.

This will endure as a classic example of satire and go down as one of the great New Yorker covers. Anyone here old enough to remember "The Realist" magazine? Its great to see that tradition lives on.

Lenny Levy

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» RE: oops - its not Art Spiegelman. Posted by: helenwheels
Good Satire
Posted by: pdxjoe on Jul 14, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Good satire risks, if not out-and-out taunts being taken seriously. Good satire, being for those who think for themselves, also isn't for everyone. To say the New Yorker is somehow responsible for its readers (and largely non-readers) not being able to read straight-forward satire though, satire that actually critiques anti-Obama rhetoric, is absurd. It is as absurd as an atheist being told they work for the cause of religion by bringing it up so much.

The dirty-work of the Right Wing is this very article that rallies its audience against its own freedom (of the press that is), but worse under the pretenses of supporting the ostensibly progressive candidate. We are responsible to each other in a lot of ways, but it is up to us to think for ourselves and make our own decisions. If there are those out there who cannot do that or do it well, it's not our responsibility to think for them, because in the process we stop thinking of ourselves.

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» RE: Good Satire Posted by: culheath
If I'd been shown the graphic...
Posted by: Pax99 on Jul 14, 2008 9:39 AM   
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without knowing which publication had it on their cover I'd have guessed it was Mad Magazine.

In their context I would have found it much more amusing because inside they would have pounded their meaning into the most moronic mind....Rush would have gotten it if someone read it to him.

On the New Yorker, it's a less amusing because of the credibility critters like Coulter and Faux News can, and most likely will, spin off of it. Not to say they'd not trash the New Yorker as elitist the second the New Yorker has at Bush or McCain, just sayin'.

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Why should the New Yorker
Posted by: ssjknux on Jul 14, 2008 9:41 AM   
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which has withstood presidencies good and bad, be expected to change their ways to suit the idiocy of the American public?

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Think about it
Posted by: willymack on Jul 14, 2008 9:46 AM   
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Consider the target market of a magazine like the New Yorker. Northeasterners who are highly educated, and understand the droll humor that magazine represents. The fact that the cover in question would be misconstrued by thinking-challenged knuckle draggers was well understood by the publishers beforehand. They know full well that the rethugs' REAL base is the aforementioned knuckle draggers whose miniscule "minds" won't be budged by any appeals to reason or factual information. This cover is on a par with the one on The Nation, depicting bush as Alfred E. Neuman, and a humorous jab at the political cespool so many of us are mired in.

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trotskytime
Posted by: rmorte62 on Jul 14, 2008 9:55 AM   
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The New Yorker did a brilliant, ballsy cover depicting every right-wing slur about Obama (all of which are absurd). Unfortunately, the mag forgot that Americans don't get satire, hence the furor. The writer of the accompanying piece sees Obama more or less as I do, a political animal who allows people to project their progressive hopes, dreams, and ambitions on him. Of course he never really does anything truly progressive (see recent FISA vote). Like I recently told a guy at a local watering hole, "This guy is no Bobby Kennedy. Vote for McKinney if you really want to support a progressive candidate instead of pinning your hopes on another establishment 'good cop'." He called me cynical. I said I was a realist and called him naieve. Actually, the cover may do less to criticize the fringe right's portrayal of him than it does to point out how absurd it is to imagine he and his wife as White House radicals, which is what many in the Dem base badly want to believe. They want to believe that Obama is merely acting like an establishment candidate and that if/when he takes the oath of office he'll peel off his three-piece designer suit to reveal a dashiki, like some kind of trojan hippie/black panther superman. Boy are they going to be disappointed when they realize that it's suits all the way down.

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» RE: trotskytime Posted by: desidid
» RE: trotskytime Posted by: helenwheels
End of a legacy
Posted by: PandaBear on Jul 14, 2008 9:57 AM   
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Up until this moment I considered the New Yorker as the holy grail for publication of fiction work. No longer will I be sending submissions in the hope that someday I'll get a break. It's really too bad. It's a high quality magazine with no sense of responsibility, it seems.

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» Responsibility For What? Posted by: pdxjoe
» RE: nd of a legacy Posted by: ChrisBrown
McCain and Cindy in Aldultery Motel
Posted by: mcartri on Jul 14, 2008 10:15 AM   
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This comment is tasteless-period. But it's satire. Get it? Readers can substitute more offensive words for mine. This is as "Clean" as I can get it.
Mr. Blitt, please draw the following satirical cover: John McCain, a recently returning POW, is in bed with his lover, Cindy, engaged in a traditional sex act. The covers are back, and on McCain's abdomen are various medals. Sitting next to the bed, in a wheelchair, is McCain's wife, Carol. She was in a terrible auto accident while her husband was a POW in Vietnam. Carol was disfigured and crippled from going thru the windshield, spending six-months in the hospital. Since this is just satire, you can place a box of Depends and Viagra in the scene. This is really funny stuff. Fox News and the Right Wing will thank you. You say you can't do that cover about McCain because...Hello, hello, are you there? Hello...

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» Yeah, but.... Posted by: morticia
Wrongthink potential
Posted by: pomes on Jul 14, 2008 10:24 AM   
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This could be a double-plus ungood example of wrongthink. Time to purge.

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So who will believe this represents truth?
Posted by: ceraiteri on Jul 14, 2008 10:28 AM   
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Only those who want to believe such idiocy in the first place, and to that end, The New Yorker's point is well taken.

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Lament the left's lack of a sense of humor...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 14, 2008 10:27 AM   
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This is so obviously depicting the absurdity of the right's daily depiction of the Obamas... to imbue it with all this power to undo the candidacy of Obama is absurd and imfantile. It simply gives image to what these radio hate peddlers and mind muckers and crackers already believe, it's not giving them ideas.

I will vote for the man because he's not McCain or another Bush, not because I agree with much of his stated views of late. (I was for Kucinich) There is just a feeling, likely wishful on my part I'll admit, that somehow Obama would be more likely to listen to the people than McCain. His apparent notion that Afganistan is somehow the "good" war, that we should get out of Iraq and focus there is as mad an idea as any that has come down the pike from either party.

If the average American had any understanding of what a terrorist cell is and how they operate, then attacking any country to "end terrorism" would be seen as the tragically absurd notion that it is. All this does is drive fear in the home population so the corporate/government powers that be can have free reign to use military force to change regimes they don't like in the name of fighting terror. A couple of decades ago the term was communism or as Cap Weinberger would say fifty times in each press conference, the "Soviet Threat".

Power structures like our military have evolved in preparation for nation against nation warfare.
They go in and smash nations that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks because that's all that they know how to do, all the tools they have are for doing that. The notion of terrorist cells is totally misunderstood. They render massive militaries like our own obsolete. There is no top down command center involved to defeat, no leader you can kill and "win". No infrastructure to destroy to cripple their production. These are people who have lost everything through corporate and military brutality who collectively vow to deliver some kind of payback. Most never get the chance but occasionally one succeeds and in this case, buildings symbolic to millions worldwide of capitalist oppression and disregard of local custom and religion fell down... with tragic loss of lives. All the people in that cell are now dead. We don't realize in our busy day to day lives how many more people in far away countries die every week from the excesses of corporate greed and that American sense of entitlement to whatever it might need.

But it's far easier to follow the leader or let the pundits be substitute for any real thought on our part. Our spectator sport mentality kicks in and we're out there to WIN! b'gawd... We need to learn to respect people, treat them fairly, not pay their government leaders and provide them the maens to oppress their populations so they do work US workers would get $30 and hour for 1 or 2 dollars a day. No, that would involve a bit toomuch self examination. Having to say we fucked up and are sorry. It's more important to be top dog. Number one. Until that changes, there will always be people from somewhere looking for payback.

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New Yorker gets the message across
Posted by: ACoalier on Jul 14, 2008 10:32 AM   
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The cover is *supposed* to be shocking and tasteless, that's the point!

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ATH
Posted by: ATH on Jul 14, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Many Americans, unfortunately, are not intelligent enough to even know that this is
satire...The fact that they believe the stories FOX news puts out is a prime example of
this.
I was talking to my step-father's son, who is a hardcore republican, and he truly believed that Barack Obama had attended a Muslim school.
I explained to him that CNN had investigated this story and found it to be completely false.
The school, I told him, was entirely secular. I'm not sure he understood what the word "secular" meant, and he considered CNN to be a "liberal" media outlet. I almost lost it with that one. Everyone continues to always talk about the "liberal media."
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see this "liberal media," at least not in the mainstream media. What I see is a mainstream media heavily weighted towards the neo-conservative agenda, which is completely at odds with traditional conservative values, like protecting our Civil Liberties, smaller government, and staying out of foreign entanglements. They used to be the party that helped protect the Constitution.
These Neocons are the complete opposite: corrupt, Empire-building, out of control spending, Constitution destroying (especially the Bill of Rights), and nation- policing mad-
men. Because of them, we are living in a country that has lost all respect from the world community, has engaged in the same kind of pre-emptive, aggressive, un-declared warfare
for which we hanged a lot of Germans at Nuremburg; they have violated the Geneva Conventions by torturing and humiliating POWs; they have suspended habeus-corpus and held many innocent men without charging them, and convicted many in a complete mockery of a real Trial.They have continued to use 9/11 as a
political tool. One of McCain's political advisors even went so far as to say another terrorist attack would help their campaign...and then they wonder why some of us believe 9/11 to have been a false-flag terrorist event that was either made to happen or allowed to happen. They claim they need this new FISA legislation, which has nearly destroyed the 4th amendment, to get early warnings about terrorist attacks...Yet, George W. Bush and his administration receeived warnings from nearly every ally we have; he called off surveillance on bin Laden. Yet, they took the threat seriously enough to warn their own, who began flying in private jets instead of commercial airplanes. But when the first tower was struck, they told everyone in the other tower to stay put, even though the towers had been a terrorist target for years!
They said they never imagined such a scenario, but then it turns out that they were conducting war game exercises which exactly mimicked what was actually taking place, and put false radar blips on the radar screens of our fighter pilots, which is what prevented them from being able to react to the situation.

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So the fun begins
Posted by: mistery509 on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 AM   
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Well, Folks, you have had your chance. You had a candidate who wants to make a change to the sinking country, who can put together a couple of sentences without stammering. You have someone who can bring the troops home and make America into a country to be envied.

But no, it has started. With the help of the media, the sheep will read this article and vote for George's clone.

Yes, it is sad. America could have a great president but front page covers like this will be seen around the world and the rest of the world can see this country sinking lower and lower. Maybe, even God can't save America.

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» RE: So the fun begins Posted by: edith
» RE: So the fun begins Posted by: mistery509
Why do I get the idea...
Posted by: dbarber on Jul 14, 2008 11:10 AM   
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...this column would never be written by Matt Taibbi, or Will Durst, or Annalee Newitz, or Robert Scheer? Just as I know we'd never see this column in Harpers' or Counterpunch. And you'd never see anyone who considers themselves a real writer or artist putting their name to it. And you know why?

Because there is a bigger picture here. If The New Yorker were to apologize for this, they would be finished. Oh, the magazine would still be published, at least for a while, but the precedent would be set. Don't like what's in this week's issue? Cancel your subscription, boycott their advertisers, do whatever you have to do, because we know they'll cave and promise never to do it again.

I receive the AFA bulletin. They don't take on battles against publications they know will fight back. There's something daunting about a boycott resulting in a six-month expose of Donald Wildmon. He knows who not to pick fights with.
And, quite frankly, that is what distinguishes the New Yorker from a publication like the Washington Times, or a media outlet like Fox News. Once they make a decision to publish your work, be it reportage, fiction, or criticism, they stand behind it. They don't disown something just because someone got offended. If they print something with factual errors, they will acknowledge and correct it, but they know they can't afford to second guess themselves every time someone complains, just because it doesn't fit in with that person's particular agenda.
While I imagine the majority of the staff at the New Yorker would prefer Obama as president (and I have no problem with Rolling Stone, for that matter, openly endorsing him, as long as they are honest about it) it is not their job to get him elected. They are not required to filter everything through "What will the rednecks think?" glasses. Part of freedom of speech is freedom to risk being misunderstood. If the people who most rely on freedom of speech "tone it down now, at least until The Most Important Election of Our Lives is over" there is no guarantee they will regain their courage.
And they will have shown themselves unworthy of it to boot.

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» You do get the idea Posted by: edith
When satire fails
Posted by: Christie on Jul 14, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Satire makes fun of something that is true, it does not promote something thats is vile, slanderous and evil. Satire that is indistinguishable from what it purports to satirize fails as satire.

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[Charlie Brown Voice]; "sigh"
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 14, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Remember those cartoons of Mohammad in Denmark?

This is the same reaction... confusion. Is it racist? Can't this be published? What's it really mean!?!?!?

Artistic intent, the point of the authors, and the magazine don't matter a wit anymore, it's all about the burden many people feel (on whatever side you label yourself, ya fools) about how they 'should' feel about the cartoon.

Goes to show what a paranoid, racist, world we live in. We can't even make a political cartoon (media centric and navel gazing as it might be), a form famous for juxtaposing imagery. It's still satire well in tune with what the general media in the USA is on about... and the general media in the USA is incredibly racist. My Goddess; TIME magazine gave famously bigoted Rush Limbaugh star treatment.

Really, the earnest hand wringing of this article and the confusion shows how privilaged media wonks really should look beyond their little media world and try to see the reality of their own bigotries.

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What A Load of Crap
Posted by: leighsure on Jul 14, 2008 11:30 AM   
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Most of the comments here that are "outraged" come from people that have never read the New Yorker. There have been plenty of covers that have mocked the Bushies in the last 7 years. The image of Saint Obama that a lot his supporters have in their head is due for reconsideration. But, clearly this cover is an attack on right-wing idiocy. Stop providing the same idiocy from political correctness.
One of the things that I love about Mort Sahl is that he skewered anybody that was deserving, no matter their politics, age or race. Anybody younger than 50 would be wise to look into his take on the world. And Mark Twain's as well.
This whole article and response is a monumental waste of time. Can we get back to the activism needed to counter the dying throes of the Corporate Greed Administration and its minions, please?

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» RE: What A Load of Crap Posted by: VZEQICVA
What about Salon calling Obama "Uppity?"
Posted by: madamedestael on Jul 14, 2008 11:46 AM   
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Is that enough for you? Check out this
collage of Salon headlines for a sense of what Salon is really about.

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» who ya callin uppity? Posted by: edith
» RE: who ya callin uppity? Posted by: desidid
At Long Last
Posted by: mike_burns on Jul 14, 2008 11:57 AM   
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I have finely got to the end of all the blogs. Now, let's have a little reality check. What the author says is true. American are the most politically ignorant people on the earth. Stupid people make up 80% of Americans. That means 80% will not understand it being satire. 80% of Americans don't know what the word Satire is.
Now for some sober facts. The New Media is a money making business. For 150yrs the news media knows that they have to create news to make money. That is the real reason they backed the war in the first place. I Obama slaughters Mckane at the ballot box, it's not news. They stretched the democratic primaries and made a fortune off of it. They don't really care who wins. They just want another election decided by the Supreme Court. They made a fortune off the last time that happened. They have to make it into a good horse race for profits.
There is the left agenda. There is the right agenda, and there is the Media agenda. It has nothing to do with politics. It has all to do with MONEY!

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» RE: At Long Last Posted by: LeeAnnG
» ignorant who??? Posted by: a_momcat
Amazing at what we liberals get upset about
Posted by: Kym525 on Jul 14, 2008 12:02 PM   
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As a black woman, I find the New Yorker's cover right on target! It is poking fun in a BIG way at the attitudes many Americans truly harbor about what could be the first black couple in the White House, and if it makes people look stupid and/uncomfortable, GOOD JOB!!!

The mainstream media has done all it can to paint the Obama family as some sort of secret radical islamic terrorists with their "fist jab"--as if Obama being Muslim is a bad thing (we've allowed our prejudices courtesy of the Bush administration to run riot). Michelle Obama, the so-called former ABW (Angry Black Woman) has been "whitewashed" into the kind of woman America is comfortable with. They ran with the whole Reverend Wright and Father Phfleger bruhaha and made the right wing very happy by catering to the worst stereotypes of the mob mentality, without ONCE questioning whether it was really news. Moreso, few in the mainstream media bothered to question why it is we think a private matter like religion became a front and center issue--and yes, we have the far-right wackjobs to thank for that.

What I find telling about the posters who are so upset over this cover, are the same ones who sit silent as their fellow "liberals" and the conservative trolls who lurk post the most negative comments whenever alternet has an article about black people and black life.

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» Let It ALL hang out-yes? Posted by: edith
» RE: Let It ALL hang out-yes? Posted by: culheath
I felt like I was punched in the heart...
Posted by: silverstreak on Jul 14, 2008 12:04 PM   
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and angry. If I had a subscription, I would cancel -- and tell everyone I know to absolutely boycott the magazine! Is not funny, not even in a lampooning way, and one wonders who was really behind it...my gun-toting, scared-way-down-deep cop brother will love this one, and it will only flame his fear.

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Horrible racist cover, great analysis by Don Hazen
Posted by: Kati on Jul 14, 2008 12:16 PM   
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Dear Don Hazen, thank you for your insightful article. What you write is so true and there's some consolation in reading it.

I'm afraid the New Yorker cover is a reflection of a deep rooted, albeit at times unconscious, racism. It seems manifested in the statement: "I'm not racist, I treat Obama just like every other politician?" But that isn't true. Instead, these people are using this sort of statement to actually give themselves the right to be as racist as they come. Can you imagine the New Yorker using racist and sexist stereotypes involving other groups? What if their next cover represented Olmert, the Prime Minister of Israel, performing a blood sacrifice of a Christian baby? Its aim would be to satirize still circulating (check the Internet) notions of this medieval myth. But would it work and what would happen if the magazine did this? Yet that cover would be the exact equivalent of the Obama cover. As many posts have noted, there are many potential voters who are convinced that what the cover depicts is true. And then there are all the secret racists who would deny that race plays any part in their voting decision but who nonetheless would find an excuse not to vote for an African American. Just as they would have found an excuse not to vote for a woman.

I almost cried when I saw the New Yorker cover (my magazine ended up in the trash!) and now I have to expect seeing it again on newsstands, libraries and, for years to come, in the doctor’s office... It seems to me there's so much selfishness and arrogance in a number of individuals and institutions who are thought of as liberal. They don't seem to care if we end up with four more years of McBush as long as they personally are not the ones on the receiving end of unemployment and other social ills, not to mention the much worse fate of being on the receiving end of bombs, unlawful detention and torture...

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» Oh please Posted by: edith
» RE: Oh please Posted by: culheath
» RE: Oh please Posted by: a_momcat
» RE: Oh please yourself! Posted by: Kati
A Distraction
Posted by: funnyguy on Jul 14, 2008 12:23 PM   
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I agree it is a distraction we don't need, but would people be complaining if the satire went the other direction? Would all of those who are getting self-righteous about this cover complain if The New Yorker cover had a drawing of John McCain riding a bomb being dropped out of a plane, ala Dr. Strangelove? I don't think so.

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» Missing the point Posted by: LeeAnnG
» Your comment is perfect Posted by: funnyguy
When Satire is Unacceptable, Democracy is Dead
Posted by: Luciana on Jul 14, 2008 12:34 PM   
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This is so obviously satirical. People aren't as stupid as you think.

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Funny stuff if
Posted by: realveive on Jul 14, 2008 12:43 PM   
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the average American IQ was higher than room temperature. As things stand that isn't the case so this cover "art" will be interpreted literally by most, ie, Michele's a gang-bangin' "Ho" and Barack's a bin Ladin wannabe. Nice going, New Yorker, but only if you wanna win the Asshole Publication of the Year award. Your cover has made you a shoo-in for that title.

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Moron Nation Doesn't Understand
Posted by: lorenbliss on Jul 14, 2008 12:53 PM   
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The majority in the United States understand neither satire nor the First Amendment -- a ruinous ignorance spawned by the most malevolently hateful anti-intellectuality on the planet, which since the McCarthy Era is our sole defining national characteristic. The resultant idiocy is passed from one generation to the next by the worst public education in the industrial world, deliberately intensified in the process and then cemented into a permanent national dunce cap by media masterfully manufactured not merely to maintain the moronic mentality but to do so at the lowest possible level of intelligence.

Hence, for example, the deliberate degradation of debate in our national election process: from the at least semi-informed discussions characteristic of the New Deal Era (how else did Roosevelt win?) to the low-grade soap opera of today: the very soap opera satirically represented by The New Yorker's cover and reproduced in full-tantrum real-world fury by the resultant political hissy.

That said, after the McBama/O'Cain FISA betrayal, I simply don't give a damn about any of these teapot dramas. Neither candidate represents me or the working class of which I am a member. Indeed, the only reason I have for participating in national elections at all is that not voting is an act of surrender: it concedes to the ruling class the very victory they have always sought. The more of us don't vote, the easier it is for the ruling class to nullify the electoral process or abolish it completely. In any case, following Obama's FISA treachery, I have tuned out and turned off the entire campaign -- dropping it as I would any other example of no-talent histrionics that pander to stupidity and insult the intelligence of the few of us who have managed (typically at huge and terrible cost), to retain some degree of mindfulness.

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I must be the only one...
Posted by: vangogh69 on Jul 14, 2008 12:58 PM   
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I must be the only one who finds this disgusting and pandering to the vilest parts of the US citizen's sensibilities? Satire is the spawn of wit and intelligence; this illustration is the spawn of a country still deeply racist and revelling in its degradation. (IMHO, America has never been great with satire and barely does well with parody.) Now, a real satire would be an illustration of McCain in the post-Civil War south looking disturbed at a newly elected Obama with some klansmen nearby.

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» RE: I must be the only one... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Misguided satire
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jul 14, 2008 1:05 PM   
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My first reaction when I saw the cover was to be shocked - until I got the point that it was meant to lampoon the misconceptions about the Obamas. However, even as a hard-core progressive, it took me a few minutes and that was helped because I read it in the article. I'm not sure how long it would have taken me to understand had I simply seen the picture with no other input.

I read the comments here on Alternet and appreciate both points of view, that it's offensive because many people won't understand it and also that some people might be too sensitive. (I strenuously object to all the "PC" nonsense. "PC" really has no coherent meaning and saying something is "too PC" is mainly used as an excuse to be rude.)

However, I also read quite a few comments on Huffington Post, and I was amazed that the trolls on that site actually seemed to think the Obamas themselves were the objects of the satire. One wrote something to the effect that "Oh, it's ok to show the president and other conservatives in a bad light, but when it's done to Obama, all the liberals get upset." Some even commented that there's an element of truth to the cover itself and that the Obamas really are as shown.

These rightwingers really did not get it at all. So obviously, some of the reaction to the picture might be justified. It surely does seem that there are a lot of people with predispositions against Barack Obama who would take the depictions as "essentially true" even if exaggerated.

A little more perspective, like making the picture a rightwing dream in a bubble or even the title of the article prominently displayed on the cover would probably have been a good idea. I think doing it as it is was probably a mistake.

Sometimes a thing seems great at the time, but in retrospect, it may be foolish or poorly considered. If the notion of the Obamas as unpatriotic, militant fist bumping, Muslim, America-hating radicals were not so common among the less-educated Fox viewers, there would be no problem.

A young friend recently asked me why people refer to Obama as a "towel head." I was stunned, but she said she'd heard a waitress say that in the Cracker Barrel and didn't know why since "his father isn't from Iraq." Yikes! The level of ignorance is unimaginable among many, many rural populations. If someone was inclined to believe the rumors, this cover is not going to have the intended impact, and will probably have exactly the opposite effect.

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Let's Leave the Comedy to the Professionals
Posted by: mimosa1036 on Jul 14, 2008 1:14 PM   
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I used to love The New Yorker, and subscribed to it for many years. Always civilized and intelligent, it is the magazine that first published Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and John Hersey's Hiroshima. It was political in a subtle way. I don't recall ever seeing blatantly political covers prior to the 1990s. This cover is a crushing disappointment.

Please, please re-read Mr. Hazen's article. He speaks the absolute truth of the situation. My parents were very active Conservative Republicans; curiously I did not agree with them, even as a child, but I did get to study that side quite closely. I am 57 now, and still cannot understand why the Right Wing thinks as it does. What I do know is that they are fearful, and will therefore always, always win at the attack game. Conservatives are truly afraid of Barack and Michelle Obama, because they are going to spoil their game! Conservatives need to sway the people in the middle toward feeling all their prejudices through fear, and we need those people to feel confident and hopeful about the future. Yes, we can!

Many people really do think Barack took his oath of office on the Koran (which they perceive as a problem), although that was another public servant. They truly see red when they even think about someone defiling the flag, and they actually believe that silly idea about Mr. Obama not respecting the flag because he doesn't wear a stupid flag pin in his lapel. (Thanks, George Stephanopolis.) We have to move beyond this kindergarten thinking.

The New Yorker cover was fit for The National Review. The drawing is not funny in the least, because it gives ammo to the fearmongers. Maybe Roz Chast could come up with a New Yorker cover that is truly funny that wouldn't rely on tasteless, offensive images. Let's leave the comedy to the professionals (Mahar, Stewart, Colbert, e.g.) the ones who actually know how to make everyone laugh AND THINK.

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Amen, amen, amen...
Posted by: J. Bo on Jul 14, 2008 1:28 PM   
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...AND amen.

Don, stop perpetuating the "humorless liberal" stereotype. I'm becoming as exasperated with AlterNet lately as you have (apparently) become with Salon and The New Yorker.

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» Oops Posted by: J. Bo
The Cover Reflects the Ugliness that is American Racism
Posted by: Kym525 on Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM   
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and from all the outrage, it is clear that we don't like what we see. However, as a black woman in this country who is far too used to such slights and such imagery, I find all the anger somewhat misplaced. Even since Barack Obama stepped into the public sphere, he has been put under the microscope of racism and he's either "too black" for the Archie Bunker contingent, or "too white" for the Ralph Nader/Ishmael Reed contingent. Obama has lived under the double-standard and higher expectations than even John Kerry or Al Gore. And Michelle Obama--well, she lives under that stigma of being an ABW--Angry Black Woman--in spite of her accomplishments as a professional woman.

I said it once before--if Barack and Michelle were from Nickerson Gardens in Watts and he had a mouthful of gold teeth and her middle name was Laquisha and was on welfare--no one would bat an eyelash, but the mainstream media has done such a great job of stereotyping people of color that to see the Obamas as successful black people seems to be a shock. After all, even here in the "holiest" of liberal media sites, I come across some of the most hate-filled and stereotype-laden posts from people whom I believed were far more educated and better exposed than the garden-variety racists to be found on Stormfront.org.

Frankly, the New Yorker cover is a much needed slap in the face to those who are so quick to point out the racism of others, but totally ignore their own racism. One need not wear a sheet and burn crosses anymore.

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EQUAL TIME FOR MCCAIN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 14, 2008 2:26 PM   
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His very own New Yorker cover. A satirical, high IQ, cartoon of McCain looking around tryng to find his ass with both hands. ANNA

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There's humor and then there's the New Yorker Cover
Posted by: zoonerian on Jul 14, 2008 2:27 PM   
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There's humor that lightens the spirit and brightens one's day, and then there's the New Yorker cover which is simply...tasteless, ignorant, insulting and uncalled-for but what do you expect from a bunch of yes-men who no longer report the news objectively or say no when something like this is going to be found clearly offensive to Black people and Muslims alike?
Now, if Obama were White...

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Yellow Journalism Redux
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jul 14, 2008 2:28 PM   
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Congratulations, New Yorker. You just set back journalism several decades with your shameless lampooning cover of Barack and Michelle.
Has anyone on your staff interviewed the Obamas? What was the purpose of this?
Were you trying to be funny or appease to a certain population? You have no proof they live life like that. What will you say to their children? I'm surprised you didn't dress them in Hitler Youth uniforms.
This is Yellow Journalism at its worst. In order to sell magazines you chose an awful caricature of incredible stereotypes. You're Swift Boating them or Willie Hortonizing the Obamas. And this is 2008. Well, you proven we still have a long, long way to go for the media to get its act together.
Both are Christians; how could you label them as something different?
What next, New Yorker? If he loses the presidential election, we can lay some of the blame on you.

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» RE: Yellow Journalism Redux Posted by: culheath
Obama is a Victim of A Society that Expects Nothing...
Posted by: cm4297 on Jul 14, 2008 2:42 PM   
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I don't know what it is about a successful black man that is so intimidating to whites and blacks alike. Is it so far fetched that a black man who is successful outside of rapping or sports can truly run this nation? I have not seen one WHITE candidate endure all of the persecution that Obama has endured. Before many of the bra burners go to , well what about Hillary, let me present you with a couple of facts. I do not see one blog associating Hillary or McCain with terrorism because of their names or color. I did not see one news network attempt to undermind the family structure of either McCain or Clinton (at least during the campaign) by describing a spouse as a "baby's mama," which implies black unwed mothers. I have not seen one news conference call Hillary or McCain uppity despite the fact that both are richer than Obama. (FYI--Obama was so uppity until his credit card was rejected when he first entered office. Wow, how elitist.). I have not heard Hillary or McCain's voting records raked over the coals at the same rate in spite of the fact that many of policies that they have both voted in favor of have lead to the current state of American problems. This picture is a symptom of racism that Americans in general want to sweep under the rug and pretend as if they're too civilized to part take in these beliefs or behaviors. Let me tell you as a successful, young, black woman.....America has never gotten over its racism, its just under the table. When he won the nomination, many whites said, "It must be because of Affirmative Action." How petty....How small... Is there an entitlement clause that I have missed where questions are only asked when the winning recipient is not white? Or somehow we didn't earn our keep. Examine yourselves.

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Time for a cartoon fatwa...
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 14, 2008 2:50 PM   
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...burn the infidel cartoonist!

Hyper-PC sensibilites are going to be seen as relics in a rocking chair, once the future gets here. Once a black man becomes "the Man," what do you suppose will happen next? Maybe we can then move on to the real divisions in this country, the class divisions.

The American public is not stupid or ignorant, they just don't pay attention to a process that has ignored them for decades, why should they? Maybe we here are the fools wasting our breath.

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Everybody lighten up!
Posted by: gr8shoes on Jul 14, 2008 2:51 PM   
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I don't understand why everyone is so bent out of shape over this cover. It attacks every single one of the lies posited by the right and shows them for what they are-Ridiculous, overblown, racist, stereotypes and does via humour. When did the left lose it's sense of humour?

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» RE: verybody lighten up! Posted by: ohb0b
» RE: verybody lighten up! Posted by: daniel1982
And consider the context
Posted by: BettynotWilma on Jul 14, 2008 2:52 PM   
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What if the sketch appeared without the "New Yorker" moniker and you received it as one of those "pass along" emails you get from your "red state" aunt or uncle. I guess thats coming soon enough.

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Lighten up!
Posted by: ohb0b on Jul 14, 2008 2:54 PM   
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I'm an Obama supporter, and I loved the cartoon.
Its satire, and more important, it is satirizing the rant-wing noise machine, and exposing the stupidity and desperation they are resorting to.

Ask yourself: If a radical Islamist group wanted to place a "mole" in the highest level of US Government, would they go with a black guy named Barak Hussein?

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» RE: Lighten up! Posted by: daniel1982
The Controversy Itself Is The Enemy
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jul 14, 2008 2:59 PM   
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What is offensive is not the cover itself, but is the controversy that has been made out of it, both pro-cover and anti-cover.
Judging by the comments here (and their ratings) I would say that the far-Right's mission to split liberals from each other is almost complete.

The fact that a big deal has been made about this cover and the fact that the story of the cover is all over the mainstream media and blogosphere has helped cement the image in American's mind that Obama IS a terrorist. For Americans will think to themselves: "Hmmmm. I'z know I heard somewheres that 'bama is a terr'ist whoze burns dee 'merican flag." If it weren't for the controversy, then the rednecks wouldn't have known about the cover.

Go ahead and rate my post down. I don't care. My only sin is posting a comment to this article in the first place. Because I too have contributed to the mess that will probably help elect John McCain in November by posting here.

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The New Yorker cover
Posted by: Mr Arkadin on Jul 14, 2008 3:13 PM   
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Can't we hold the election right now? No matter what they tell the pollsters, everybody knows who they are going to vote for. (I will vote for Sen. Obama, because he is the Democratic nominee, although I believe his campaign has been among the most dishonest I have ever observed.) The media have an infinity of teapots in which to brew their tempests, all day and every day, from now until the end of time. Their job is to make the election close enough for McCain to steal, and they will probably succeed.

Now, then, this New Yorker cover.

The first thing that occurs to me is the unanswerable precision with which it demonstrates the late, lamented Richard Rorty's observation that irony is unsuitable for public discourse.

The second thing is that the New Yorker that some of us old-timers (b. 1946) grew up worshiping has been gone since William Shawn was fired.The fact that many great writers -- Seymour Hersh, David Denby, James Surowiecki, Anthony Lane, &c. -- are still published there doesn't change that.

The third and final point is that this cover is not the first, and by no means the most egregious, of the magazine's gross political mis-steps. When the young smartass Ryan Lizza likened Senator Clinton to both a "Terminator"-like cyborg and a zombie in the very first sentence of a greasily unfair article about the primary season -- while bending over backward to give Sen. Obama the benefit of every doubt -- I stopped consulting the publication. (It's okay with me if Sen. Obama gets held up for ridicule. It can only be good for him.) Anyway, there have been at least a half a dozen articles by Seymour Hersh in the last few years, any one of which should have brought down this criminal, illegitimate administration. But they didn't -- they didn't even slow it down. But now darling Sen. Obama has been lampooned, and the synthetic outrage is deafening.

Gerald Carpenter

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The Perils of Intellectual Elitism
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 14, 2008 3:14 PM   
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I just don't understand how the NEW YORKER could make such colossal blunder?

To me it demonstrates that the editors of the NEW YORKER actually believe that the world begins and ends with its very elite and limited readership.

This is an extreme degree of hubris and "intellectual isolationism" leading to a gross error in editorial judgement?

An apology at least if not firings are in order.

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Don Hazen -- You Are Using a Frame Created by Hate-Mongers and Don't Even Know It!!!
Posted by: a_momcat on Jul 14, 2008 3:15 PM   
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But then, so is the Obama team and most of America!

Why are so many people acting as though being called a Muslim is akin to being called a heinous criminal? It is, only if you believe that Islam is a blood-thirsty, terrorist religion! Christianity and Judaism have each produced more than their share of terrorists through the centuries (think Crusades and the invasion and occupation of Iraq for the former), but it takes faulty logic and ignorance to conclude that all people who practice these or Islam are terrorists.

I was very disappointed that Obama accepted this frame. He could have used the opportunity to try to introduce some sanity and intellect into the discourse, by saying, "You make it sound as though being Muslim is by definition a bad thing: although I am not a Muslim, I don't see how it is any worse than being a Christian or a Jew."

You may know the linguistic construct behind the frame, Mr. Hazen, but that doesn't stop your feeding the frame machinery, either regarding TTBW... or the one equating all the people of Islam to 9/11. That's your bad.

E L Cobb

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Do you ever watch Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segments?
Posted by: wildbill on Jul 14, 2008 3:16 PM   
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Jay proves over and over that many Americans are journalistically, historically, culturally, and factually deprived. Yes, those of us liberals who are so much "in the know" can chuckle at the NY's satire of all the Obama stereotypes foisted upon the public by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, et al, but out here in the Red State West, most of my friends, relatives and coworkers will see that cover and say, "Yep, that's just what we've been saying." Out here, there are bumper stickers, billboards, and email messages that use similar images purporting to illustrate "the truth" about the Obamas, and why you wouldn't want to vote for them!

My college-degreed uncle, a reasonably intelligent person, used to watch "All in the Family" and cheer for Archie Bunker. He somehow missed the point that the series was poking fun at Archie's stereotypical white bigot, and he will probably miss the point of the Obama cover. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him and others passing that cover cartoon around the Internet as quickly as possible, as another piece of anti-Obama propaganda!

Sorry, New Yorker, not funny.

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» sorry to disagree but... Posted by: orionsan
» RE: sorry to disagree but... Posted by: orionsan
Chill out.
Posted by: tbpmom56 on Jul 14, 2008 3:23 PM   
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I enjoy the New Yorker.
I will continue to read it and I do not find the cover offensive or "racist".
Obama is a presidential candidate and is highly subject to caricatures. The coveris a mockery of the "fear" tactics that Fox loves to push.
Move on.

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» RE: Chill out. Posted by: Quannah
Obama = Bush
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jul 14, 2008 3:22 PM   
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You know what would have been a funny cover (because it is true)?

A cartoon where Obama is doing the 'Heil Hitler' salute, with a Nazi flag next to him. Maybe there would be a picture of George Bush in the background. Meanwhile a copy of the US Constitution burns in the fireplace.

HA!

(To paraphrase Carol Kreck: Obama = Bush.)

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It's a funny page...
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 14, 2008 3:32 PM   
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meant for smart people honey. It's got some hubris on it, and its high in irony, which I think is the same as sarcasm, meant to make fun of stoopid peeple. I gess they think Obama is stoopid.

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This is the same magazine ...
Posted by: realmuzik on Jul 14, 2008 3:41 PM   
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... that publishes dribble from Woody Allen ... a man that no feminist of any level of intelligent sanity should endorse (I quit looking at the New Yorker when he began contributing to it some years' ago). Suffice it to say, Steve Martin writes for them, too. He could be better served anywhere else. Let's face the reality that many PROGRESSIVES planned not to vote for Obama in November before this was revealed. Am sure O'Reilly and Hannity will gleefully wave this around on their programs this evening. This is bad, but there are even worse things in life than this. Allen among them.

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Shocking?
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jul 14, 2008 3:50 PM   
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The onlything I see that's shocking is some people's utter lack of a sense of humor and taking themselves way too seriously. Any one who thinks the Right can hold up that magazine cover and say, to the fewer and fewer people who pay attention to them, and say, "See? The New Yorker agrees with us!"
The New Yorker, in their usual biting, insightful manner, is pointing out the absurdity of the right's assertions about the Obamas.
The Left is showing itself to be as self-centered and childish as the Right is pompous and self-centerd.
Lighten up and laugh.

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Maybe Obama can get
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 14, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Jesse to go down to hymie-town and cut some infidel n_ts off! (is joke. funny for elaborate situation, especially n_ts, my favorite new spelling.)

Remember that joke about 9-11? It wasn't funny. Squelching humor is one of the first priorities of a facist state. If you want to find facism - look for the humorless.

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equal treatment
Posted by: JWT on Jul 14, 2008 4:08 PM   
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I don't see what's wrong with the cover, as long as McCain shows up on the next one, depicted as a goose-stepping corporate puppet, destroying the planet and all of its poor, and burning the constitution.

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» RE: equal treatment Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: equal treatment Posted by: JWT
» RE: equal treatment Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: equal treatment Posted by: hagwind
» RE: equal treatment Posted by: JWT
» RE: equal treatment Posted by: hagwind
Obama must swim with the sharks or get out of the race
Posted by: deporres on Jul 14, 2008 4:08 PM   
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When its all said and done, the New Yorker's caricature of Obama and his wife is well crafted and funny.

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This comment board
Posted by: orionsan on Jul 14, 2008 4:11 PM   
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reminds of the guy who doesn't get the joke having the joke explained to him at length. painful to listen to - rendering the joke unfunny.

Now is time we tell joke. I know no joke, you tell joke.

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Absolutely, I agree!
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 14, 2008 4:35 PM   
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Them New Yorkers should know better that creating an air of public discourse about someone's incorrect beliefs is the last thing we ought to be doing. Conservative silence is the best way to call to attention the wrongs of the right.

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» RE: Absolutely, I agree! Posted by: sicntired
» RE: Absolutely, I agree! Posted by: VZEQICVA
Insanity!
Posted by: ericthefool on Jul 14, 2008 5:05 PM   
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You people are all insane.

Do you seriously still see Repubs -vs- Dems???
Right -vs- Left???
Conservatives -vs- Liberals???

This isn't a game people.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS!!!

They are in power for one reason.
They do what they do for one reason.
They both have the lowest approval ratings ever for one reason.
They are not in a court room, or jail because of one reason.
And all you people who think that it isn't this one reason...soon you will know the reason. The one reason is cold hard cash!!!

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» RE: Insanity! Posted by: daniel1982
» RE: Insanity! Posted by: sicntired
Selling More Magazines by Entertaining the Masses
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 14, 2008 5:54 PM   
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The real reason for the magazine cover is that the editors of "The New Yorker" believe the Obama they depicted will help sell magazines and subscriptions. What they have done is simply seize on a now common theme in the American media. From "in your face" talk show jocks to "reality show TV", America has become absorbed in sensationalism. In fact, the more sensational, the better, and it's impact is everywhere. While people live their lives in the workspace cubicle only to come home to endless hours of TV and the internet, they yearn for a release and something to "make them feel real." With the distressed economy and soaring gas prices, some of the traditional escapes, such as vacations and travel are now not possible. Along with that, since you cannot afford to lose your job (and with it your health care benefits), you always have to "play it safe" and not say anything controversial or "rock the boat" in any meaningful way at work. What then is left? The circuses of course. Just like in the days of the Gladiators! A wild and sensational depiction of Obama! Just another piece of entertainment. Is it true or not?, that's not the question for the masses. The real question is this, "will they even care?"

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Too Late
Posted by: radical53 on Jul 14, 2008 5:55 PM   
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I guess I'm a little slow, hoping that there might still be an outside chance that an outstanding individual like Obama could reverse our course and get us heading in the right direction. Just a few minutes ago, at 8:45 pm EDT on July 14, 2008, I finally realized that it's too late.

Since I'm not running for office or acting as a spokesman for any campaign, I can say openly that I believe this country has failed.

There doesn't seem to be much else to say. I guess I'll go watch a movie.

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» RE: Too Late Posted by: edith
CANCEL your NEW YORKER Subscription
Posted by: RevAlexandra on Jul 14, 2008 6:24 PM   
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As a friend described the New Yorker cover to me, over the phone, this morning, I felt like I had just been punched in the stomach. “WHAT??? ARE they CRAZY! HOW COULD they DO THIS ???”

The NEW YORKER magazine MUST be held accountable for promoting people’s fears... The line between satirizing FEARS about Obama, AND FRAMING OBAMA is oh SO thin, in this cartoon. Our political climate is fragile & vulnerable as we urge the country forward to PROGRESSIVE Values... Because Humans have flocking tendencies in popular culture, we get easily dragged down to a lowest common denominator. We witnessed this in the Kerry “flip-flopping”, and the “Swift Boat” issue. BOTH of those were pure “Framing” for public consumption, by the Right-Wing spin factory. But the public swallowed it ~ hook, line and sinker... And WE Lost the Election in 2004, BECAUSE the public could not sort truth ~ from fiction.

Today’s New Yorker Cover is nothing short of OUTRAGEOUS!! EGREGIOUS, Mean-Spirited, and sinking to an all-time LOW for the New Yorker.... I would even dare to say it enters dan=gerous territory, by providing VISUAL fuel to the smoldering fire of “IS Obama Muslim “? Polls show that STILL 1 in every 12 Americans polled believe Obama is Muslim. When in FACT he IS, and has been for over 15 years CHRISTIAN.

BOYCOTT NEW YORKER mag & Their ADVERTISERS
AND
CANCEL your NEW YORKER Subscription

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Demi Gods and cartoonists
Posted by: 220vBrain on Jul 14, 2008 7:09 PM   
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The New Yorkers cartoon cover of the Obama's is going to cause the same outrage as the Belgian cartoon of Alla that enflamed the Muslums. All because people have turned the Senator into a Demi God and pseudo-savior on par to that of the second coming of Christ.The over reaction to this stupid cartoon shows the level of intelligence of those who are outraged and insensed that their man is the butt end of a joke. And that is what it is, a joke!
Obama himself is a glib,lying,dodging,flip-flopping, pandering joke of the highest degree, GET OVER IT! Bunch of cry babies!

What's next? Calling for the execution of the artist?

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» RE: Demi Gods and cartoonists Posted by: sicntired
*Correction*
Posted by: daniel1982 on Jul 14, 2008 8:14 PM   
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The cover is shocking in that it depicts the Obamas in bizarre, caricatured images and associations that reflect the very stereotypes with which the conservatives, particularly Fox News, have been trying to frame both the Obamas.

You forgot Clinton and her supporters. The photo with Obama in Muslim garb was leaked by the Clinton campaign after all. In fact, the first and most damaging attacks against Obama came from Clinton and her supporters during the primary run. It's funny to see alternet blaming conservatives for them.

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» RE: *Correction* Posted by: sicntired
LETTER TO NEW YORKER MAGAZINE'S DAVID REMNICK
Posted by: klife on Jul 14, 2008 8:30 PM   
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FEW ARE FOOLED BY THE NEW YORKER SMEAR.

New Yorker editors are paid to know the power, and influence of words and pictures. You are aware of the subconscious effect of words and pictures, and more importantly, you are aware of American history. In fact, you chronicle American history. You know, better than most that America is a nation struggling to cope with a profoundly racist and brutally inhumane tradition. Yet, your “judgment” allows you to suggest this cover is mere satire. I think most would agree that you have proven (although you like to position yourselves as progressive) to be as perverted (racially) as any in American history – albeit a tad more subtle.

You KNOW FULL WELL the residual effects of your DISRESPECTFUL and RACIST cover. You saw vogue get away with it (Lebron James) and you think you can do the same. But you should be aware, there are people determined to deal with these demented, sadistic, pathetic, racially-charged innuendos.

If you had any decency, you would offer multiple apologies, and you would issue follow-up covers. You have offended an entire race of people – the HUMAN RACE. However, organizations like yours traditionally stick to your "guns," and offer some sad, warmed-over, illogical, disjointed, tortured diatribe about “freedom of the press.” When everyone knows you wouldn’t dare green-light this below-the-belt insult with a “mainstream” candidate.

I heard one of your fellow madmen try to compare Dick Cheyney (with blood on his teeth) to your Obama-cover-debacle. But the problem there is that Dick really is responsible for many, many murders. So the exaggeration is acceptable. Your cover of Obama is not based in any truth. Therefore, it is not satire. It is racism – pure and simple. We understand that many don’t see it this way. But historically, many didn’t get that slavery was wrong, either. So at least we’re consistent.

I hope people of conscious come together and make sure that insensitive, arrogant. and racist editors are drummed out of legitimate journalism. I am going to get decent people to come together to let you know that VERY FEW ARE FOOLED. BY THE NEW YORKER MAGAZINE (hiding behind intellectualism) SMEAR.

Keith Benson
PS

Very few care what you actually write – because very few actually read it. You know that better than anybody.

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» Residual effects? Posted by: YogiBear
Carl Rove
Posted by: sicntired on Jul 14, 2008 8:30 PM   
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Guess who's back?This is pure Rove and everyone should exercise their right to leave this trash exactly where you find it.

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» RE: Carl Rove Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL
» RE: Carl Rove Posted by: edith
Letter to New Yorker Publisher David Remnick
Posted by: klife on Jul 14, 2008 8:36 PM   
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FEW ARE FOOLED BY THE NEW YORKER SMEAR.

New Yorker editors are paid to know the power, and influence of words and pictures. You are aware of the subconscious effect of words and pictures, and more importantly, you are aware of American history. In fact, you chronicle American history. You know, better than most that America is a nation struggling to cope with a profoundly racist and brutally inhumane tradition. Yet, your “judgment” allows you to suggest this cover is mere satire. I think most would agree that you have proven (although you like to position yourselves as progressive) to be as perverted (racially) as any in American history – albeit a tad more subtle.

You KNOW FULL WELL the residual effects of your DISRESPECTFUL and RACIST cover. You saw vogue get away with it (Lebron James) and you think you can do the same. But you should be aware, there are people determined to deal with these demented, sadistic, pathetic, racially-charged innuendos.

If you had any decency, you would offer multiple apologies, and you would issue follow-up covers. You have offended an entire race of people – the HUMAN RACE. However, organizations like yours traditionally stick to your "guns," and offer some sad, warmed-over, illogical, disjointed, tortured diatribe about “freedom of the press.” When everyone knows you wouldn’t dare green-light this below-the-belt insult with a “mainstream” candidate.

I heard one of your fellow madmen try to compare Dick Cheyney (with blood on his teeth) to your Obama-cover-debacle. But the problem there is that Dick really is responsible for many, many murders. So the exaggeration is acceptable. Your cover of Obama is not based in any truth. Therefore, it is not satire. It is racism – pure and simple. We understand that many don’t see it this way. But historically, many didn’t get that slavery was wrong, either. So at least we’re consistent.

I hope people of conscious come together and make sure that insensitive, arrogant. and racist editors are drummed out of legitimate journalism. I am going to get decent people to come together to let you know that VERY FEW ARE FOOLED. BY THE NEW YORKER MAGAZINE (hiding behind intellectualism) SMEAR.

Keith Benson
PS

Very few care what you actually write – because very few actually read it. You know that better than anybody.

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8 million New Yorkers are right
Posted by: Ripcord on Jul 14, 2008 8:37 PM   
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I'm going to go out and try to find this magazine in another state.

Can't wait to read the article inside to find out more of the truth.

Bob
from Idaho

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Get Over Yourself
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jul 14, 2008 8:50 PM   
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First, know your audience. The New Yorker is not written for conditioned working class people with the equivalent of an eight grade education. The magazine has an educated professional class base. Do not you think they understand and appreciate satire?

Second, bad publicity is better than no publicity. The issue of ridiculous stereotypes should be aired for the public at large to learn something of the manipulation which plays in political campaigns.

Third, get over your self. Mr. Obama is not the most important person since Jesus Christ. Just maybe, we would be better off without him as president, seeing his position on important issues like FISA, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and imperial power of the USA. Would it not be nice to have people vote for a McKinney or Nader, and make one of them president instead of Obama or McCain?

Get over your self.

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» RE: Get Over Yourself Posted by: keletsanatal
Share your sentiments with the New Yorker.
Posted by: boneflute on Jul 14, 2008 9:44 PM   
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http://www.newyorker.com/contact/contactus

From the link above:
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All letters should include your name, postal address, and daytime phone number. Letters may be edited for length and clarity, and may be published in any medium. All letters become the property of The New Yorker and will not be returned. We regret that, owing to the volume of correspondence, we cannot reply personally to every letter.

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The Obama-New Yorker "Controversy"
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 14, 2008 10:42 PM   
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The New York cover, while in piss-poor taste, is a satire. But the fact that it is in piss-poor taste is EXACTLY the point being made, with a great many of the slanderous things said about Obama concentrated in one place to show how truly and willfully ignorant these things are.

Unfortunately, it also catapults the agenda of the knuckle-dragging Right Wing-nuts as well as demonstrably illustrating why everything needs to be deliberately dumbed down in this society, for fear that the exposure of such bigotry might appear to endorse and promote it. It is unfortunate, but satire such as the New Yorker cover is on its last legs in this country, because so many fringe elements are opposed to critical thinking, and thusly and intentionally leap to take the worst scenario literally. They will scream offense, because they think it might benefit them. The United States has never been what one might refer as "high-brow", but there was at least the freedom in some quarters to exercise that elements of the imagination, but no more, and we are all the worse for it.

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The New Yorker is part of the conservative oligarchy
Posted by: Lector on Jul 14, 2008 11:41 PM   
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The New Yorker is owned by Conde Nast, part of the conservative oligarchy that owns and runs the American press. The New Yorker may not be written for the working class but the image will be passed on to them – and images are powerful. They will remember the image and forget the explanation. The irony that the cartoon was supposed to depict will be lost on an electorate that voted for Bush twice. This cover will probably appear on dozens of the right wing websites 'proving' that their concerns about Obama are well founded. I wouldn’t be surprised if the New Yorker has just sealed the election for John McCain.

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Ironies Abound
Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 15, 2008 12:30 AM   
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Ah, irony. We Americans are so good at it, yet are inevitably oblivious to its delicious tang.

The New Yorker cover is such an irony. It so perfectly captures the essence of American fear, hate, and racial prejudice that it is high art. It's a wonderful cover, a cover that tells us things about ourselves that we would prefer not to know.

That it can be trumpeted by the right-wing noisemakers only makes the irony more scrumptuous.

The cover reveals a truth about America: that we are hopelessly divided at the most fundamental level of perception and thought. What you see in this image reveals your politics. The cover proves your point, no matter what your point happens to be.

We on the Left are screaming about the cover because we think it can be used against Obama, but that is a delusion borne of our own fear, our fear that we will not succeed in driving the neocons and their corrupt, war-making, Constitution-shredding, economy-wrecking ways from power. It is false because the cover will change no-one's mind, only confirm what is already believed, passionately, deeply, on both sides.

If you do not like what you see on the Right, then you must defeat it, utterly. Drive them from power, drive them into faded memory, destroy their propaganda apparatus, reinfuse objectivity into news reporting, ensure fair and honest elections, remove the taint of their money from the political process, install honest government. Alas, this will not be accomplished by railing at the New Yorker, who has only done what we wish all media would do: tell us the truth, and make us think.

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What about the Colbert Report?
Posted by: TerryS on Jul 15, 2008 12:30 AM   
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johnmccormack wrote:

"But if the conclusion is not to engage in political
humor at all because conservatives can't get a joke
and will use such obvious sarcasm as cannon fodder,
then I suppose we should decry Jon Stewart and
Stephen Colbert for being Republican attack machines."

This might be big shock to you, but humor and
satire are *weapons*. Stephen Colbert uses
satire as a weapon against the right. That's why
the left loves the Stephen Colbert and the right
hates him (remember his White House speech,
the right-wing audience was not laughing).

It's one thing for the right to use humor and
satire to attack Obama (that's expected), but
it's quite another for the New Yorker (which is
supposed to be on our side) to do the same.

Because people on the left are generally a lot
funnier than people on the right, there is an
attitude among the left that all humor is all
good. But that is not the case:

Dave Chappelle

Sexist Humor

By the way, Don Hazen did an excellent job *framing*
the issue. A big reminder why I'm such a big fan
of Alternet!

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Taking Back Our Country
Posted by: Gretchen360 on Jul 15, 2008 1:51 AM   
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Talk radio bombards the airways with racist warmongering 24/7 filth.
The New Yorker cover illustrates what the hate merchants say opening them up to ridicule and outrage.
It reminds me of the news footage of cops using fire hoses and attack dogs on the Selma marchers.
Those images helped pass the Civil Rights legislation.
God willing, the New Yorker cover will encourage us to take back our country.

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Why The Outrage Is Meaningful & Why Those Who Don't Understand It Are Wrong
Posted by: desidid on Jul 15, 2008 6:02 AM   
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It isn't that Americans don't get satire, its that there is a large segment of this country 26% who believe that Obama is Muslim. The image on that cover does nothing to dispel this notion for them. They won't read the satire however they will read into the satire what they already believe. 72% of Americans think John McCain is qualified for Commander in Chief, solely because of the images of him as a POW. Because there is nothing in his service record that qualifies him. If those same people were told he crashed 5 planes during his military career, and that he killed his own crewmates, and there were pictures of the carnage widely circulated do you think for one moment they would feel he was qualified for anything?

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Would this have been an acceptable New Yorker cover?
Posted by: Figfest on Jul 15, 2008 7:01 AM   
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Let's say, in the mid-1990s, the New Yorker published a cover showing Hillary Clinton holding a smoking gun and standing over the body of Vince Foster. An obvious satire of contemporary conspiracy theories. What? You don't get the joke? What's wrong with you? Don't you understand irony?

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2-faced
Posted by: Holla on Jul 15, 2008 7:20 AM   
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I agree the New Yorker was wayyyyyy wrong in their cover and only adds fuel to a fire they claim to be trying to extinguish however for the phony baloneys at altersnits to attack them is like Adolf Hitler attacking the Klan. Come off it Hazen you and your racist hypocrite cronies have been giving SHIT to Mr. Obama for the past month but NOW you want to call someone else out?!! Instead of "When Harry met Sally" your movie should be called "When Pot met Kettle".

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Alternet would rather have you arguing
Posted by: rockpicker on Jul 15, 2008 7:21 AM   
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about a ludicrous cartoon on the cover of a magazine than talking about reality.

The market's are collapsing. The economy is about to be crushed beneath the weight of increasing energy costs and we're getting ready to elect the corporate masters' candidate of choice. Great plan.

I gotta go change the water. Oh, and if anybody cares, silver is over $19 dollars and climbing, along with gold and oil. Better get it before it's too late.

Kunstler calls what happened Friday with Indymac the event horizon.

Doesn't everyone have something more pressing they should be doing?

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Conde Nast
Posted by: Gisele on Jul 15, 2008 8:02 AM   
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is the publisher of the New Yorker magazine - they also publish all of these:

Vogue
W
style.com
Glamour
Allure
Self
Teen Vogue
GQ
Details
Men's Vogue
men.style.com
Architectural Digest
Brides
Modern Bride
Elegant Bride
Brides.com
Lucky
Domino
Cookie
Golf Digest
Golf World
Golf for Women
Vanity Fair
Gourmet
Bon Appétit
epicurious.com
Condé Nast Traveler
concierge.com
Wired
Wired.com
Condé Nast Portfolio
Portfolio.com
The New Yorker

For those willing to let their wallets do their talking for them, these are the ones to ignore on the store shelves next time you're "passin' thru."

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When "The Left" See This As An Attack On Obama, They Do The Right Wing's Dirty Work For Them
Posted by: pdxjoe on Jul 15, 2008 8:25 AM   
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A lot of people here don't get it, and I don't just mean the painfully obvious satirical nature of the New Yorker cover in question. They don't get the profound irony of this Alter Net article's own complicity with Right Wing Spin as it sets out to ostensibly critique Left Wing complicity with Right Wing Spin.

The New Yorker cover, satirically or otherwise, does not attack Obama. It satirizes anti-Obama rhetoric. To see it as an attack on Obama is to already see it from, assume the validity of the perspective of Right Wing Spin. When under the pretense of a Left Wing publication, assuming this perspective and making interpretations from it is doing the Right Wing's dirty-work for them.

There's no reason to interpret the cover as an attack on Obama, least of all offered by Don Hazen. Some of the other commentators point out that those who would, whether recklessly or not, make such an interpretation were probably already looking for and had it in mind anyway. In other words, they didn't need the New Yorker cover to convince them of what they already believed. To then say that the New Yorker cover would affirm what they already believe is to itself affirm what they believe, to think from a perspective that assumes what they believe, and yet again to do the Right Wing's dirty-work for them.

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» From Where You Sit Posted by: pdxjoe
Boycott the New Yorker
Posted by: SackofWoe0 on Jul 15, 2008 12:56 PM   
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ah yes, in their not so liberal way, they do understand GREEN. How about lets take some away from them, boycott the New Yorker and the stores that sell the magazine, money talks and bullshit walks, so lets take the New Yorker for a long walkalong with the owners of that piece of trash.

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To be a Perfect Page
Posted by: Len_Lundgren@yahoo.com on Jul 15, 2008 2:53 PM   
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A picture of Mohammed Should be on a wall. This addition would incense another wing of Obama supporters

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Why The Outrage Is Meaningful & Why Those Who Don't Understand It Are Wrong
Posted by: desidid on Jul 15, 2008 3:15 PM   
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It isn't that Americans don't get satire, its that there is a large segment of this country 26% who believe that Obama is Muslim. The image on that cover does nothing to dispel this notion for them. They won't read the satire however they will read into the satire what they already believe. 72% of Americans think John McCain is qualified for Commander in Chief, solely because of the images of him as a POW. Because there is nothing in his service record that qualifies him. If those same people were told he crashed 5 planes during his military career, and that he killed his own crewmates, and there were pictures of the carnage widely circulated do you think for one moment they would feel he was qualified for anything?

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Look Up This Parody of The New Yorker Cover and Feel Better
Posted by: todayspeaker on Jul 15, 2008 7:22 PM   
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"For all the irony-challenged literalists who were upset by The New Yorker's Obama-as-a-Muslim magazine cover, here's one for you...." writes Horsey, the impressive political cartoonist in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, July 15.

His parody shows a stoned-eyed Cindy McCain showering pills onto the lap of a crumpled, drooling, senile John McCain hunched over in a wheelchair muttering,"Bomb,bomb,bomb -- bomb bomb Iran." Cindy is saying,"Here, John, take some of my meds to get you through the Inaugural Parade!' A portrait of Cheney hangs above the mantel. The Constitution is burning up in the fireplace.

Make *this* cartoon famous!

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In those 'back-room' talks at the Founding...
Posted by: talkville on Jul 15, 2008 10:08 PM   
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"Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum agreed to have a Battle" . . .

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killing a frame
Posted by: nap on Jul 16, 2008 2:34 AM   
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What kills a frame? One thing, atrophy. That's ignoring it. Looks that is not going to happen now is it with all the attention that just blankly reinforces the theme. That's more important than the cartoon.

Don Hazen clearly balanced pros(general change of direction) and cons (more short term reinforcement) before publishing the article. But I don't think ignoring is the only thing that works. Or ignoring because another frame is used instead. There is also the possibility to feed the cartoon into the competing frame, so that the muslim label inevitably leads to the idea of a certain type of person who buys that sort of label. For the readers of the NewYorker the cover cartoon may work that way, and even for many NY people. But for readers in the US it won't be over the top enough to be seen as a real caricature. (eyes the exit) The cartoon doesn't do much more than referencing the cliches. The over-the-topness is too understated.

What if the cartoon had been more over the top? Add some brie and chardonnay? Maybe. But exaggerating some more may not be a good track.
Tom Tomorrow also shows rightwing cliches but tightly couples them with a certain type of talking head. What you get is "that kind of idea">>fast track>>"that kind of person". This is a way of redirecting the frame into another one. It works pretty well. You could try the same approach into "that kind of thinking". I can imagine followup cartoons just doing that.

Of course, the dems are now cleverly doing something similar. Muslim Obama >> fast track>> whining dems. Brilliant.

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Operation MOCKINGBIRD, again . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 16, 2008 8:37 AM   
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Operation MOCKINGBIRD, arranging for the Democrat Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - and make a credulous nation believe they've had a democratic election.

God help us - he's the only one who can!

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yorking newbama
Posted by: mwd on Jul 16, 2008 12:21 PM   
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I think some of you are taking things a little too seriously. The New Yorker cartoon wasn't funny. And it wasn't racist. It was a bad idea, as I say here: mdubbleu.wordpress.com. But it's hardly reason to cancel your subscription to the magazine or post such vehement and silly posts to alternet.org.

If you think The New Yorker is just another mainstream rag, then maybe you should just go back to reading blogs whose authors can barely string two coherent sentences together.

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» RE: yorking newbama Posted by: xmvince
Alas
Posted by: fferris on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 PM   
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I smiled and immediately appreciated the satire of the cover. But after seeing all this outrage, I was reminded that, by far, Americans are mostly stupid, humorless creatures, and that the cover was therefore a risky thing to publish. This is why democracy is not for us: it requires a measure of sophistication.

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this controversy reveals our fear about "terrorism"....
Posted by: eurydice on Jul 16, 2008 9:54 PM   
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I've been reading many responses to the New Yorker cartoon over the past couple days with some interest, and want to point out that another dimension of fear is at work here besides fear of blacks or fear of Muslims.

In the absurdly polemicized political discourse in this country, we use the epithet "terrrorist" or "terrorist supporter" in jest or as a way to express our opposition to political positions we don't like. However, suggesting that Obama has any link to Bin Laden has threatening overtones in a country where people get sent to Guantanamo, put on "no-fly" watch lists, or wiretapped by the government, etc. because the powers-that-be have decided that they are associated - somehow - with terrorism. The government continues to expand its ability to arbitrarily decide who is suspicious and who is not. (Obama's recent recent vote on FICA should remind us that both parties have been complicit in this change - and that only a bipartisan effort will curb it.) Americans know this on some level: we are starting to wonder how far our desire for "security" will take us, and we're afraid of not being able to stop what we've started.

I think that some of the vehemence in the reader responses to the New Yorker cartoon reveals this fear.

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only he omitted drawing Hitler's autographed photo on the mantle.....
Posted by: babka on Jul 17, 2008 6:15 AM   
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http://www.mycomicspage.com/jeffdanziger/

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cartoon hell
Posted by: luzmejor on Jul 17, 2008 6:53 AM   
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It might have been better had the cartoonist featured Bush as the rifle-carrying terrorist frisking a pregnant teenager?

We already know Obama's attitudes about the American people. What most Americans do not know is how they are constantly being manipulated and openly despised by the present administration.

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The New Yorker always knows what it is doing
Posted by: nyny3a on Jul 18, 2008 6:03 AM   
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The cover of Obama on the New Yorker brought the situation very much into the open.
Sophisticated people got it right away. It will take others some more time, and some will never never get it.

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Howard
Posted by: Howard on Jul 18, 2008 7:21 AM   
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This comment may drift somewhat away from a direct critique on the New Yorker article, but it does pertain to the general concept of freedom of the press and truth in reporting. The name of President Kennedy, as a national icon since he was marterized, has become less of an obtrusion in the media the last few years. Taking into account advances in technology and tumultuous growth of the economy resulting in Urban Renewal, anyone with common sense can realize that it really was not John Kennedy who put a man on the moon, or inspired people to pursue their happiness through developing prosperity. Those fundamentals to American success were already firmly in place. Judging from truth in history, it was under the Kennedy administration that the police action in Viet Nam was commenced. During the social/sexual revolution beginning with the Kennedy administration, the Presidents Council on Physical Fitness was in practicality a media extravaganza that resulted in crippling college students brains with LSD in order to accomodate the "tuition free students" from the American ghetto's, and the ensuing child day care centers on most campus's, of the new millenium. There is a political party in America that has centered all its momentum on focusing on the other party as the criminal perpetrator of all the ill's of the American social conflict. It is refreshing, in a backhanded way, to see the longstanding tactics of the Obama camp reflected as brasenly as on the cover of the latest issue of the New Yorker magazine. Taking into consideration the amazing video technology that is capable of distorting reality and truth through augmented imagery and sound bite manipulation, isn't it any wonder that American's have evolved into some of the most convincing liars conceivable?

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Another thing I have to boycott
Posted by: xmvince on Jul 18, 2008 7:34 AM   
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Great, now I have to boycott the New Yorker as well. Tasteless and offensive. Why would anyone want to read a magazine made by immature fools? The burning flag really overdid it.

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Covert Operative claiming to be 'Liberals' Or just Idiots???
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 18, 2008 8:17 AM   
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The New Yorker not only helped solidify the Rights propaganda- it put Sen Obama back into the corner of claiming he is Not a Muslim. It's like claiming you are Not Gay. The innuendo is that there is something wrong with being either. So now the right has the chance to claim Obama hates Muslims.
As a Life Long Liberal I'm disgusted with the over reaction which has played -once again- right into the hands of the Rovian Handbook- Divide & Conquer,chapter 1. This 'flip flop' BS campaign to discredit Sen Obama is another example of the stupidity or complicity of these so called 'Lefties'. As a Prim voter who voted for Kucinich, I KNOW Sen Obama has Not Flip Flopped on anything.He has always been more of a Centrist- which I can live with.
In fact I have become sio disgusted by those claiming to be Liberal and Democrats- I am Hoping Sen Obama names SEN Chuck HAGEL as his VP. It is time we clean out both sides of the Political system, whcih have been infected and controlled by Corp Interests for Decades!
Patriotism knows NO Political Party Boundry.If we want to get rid of CheneyCorp which has run this country for Decades, we need to prove we are truely Color Blind and enlist help from any and all who can help US.
'Liberals' better wake Up you are being Used Again and the Same Organized Crime Syndicate will remain in Power. I am all For the Old School Republican party ideals of Small Gov't, Fiscal Responsiblity, International conservative policies, Free Market (no corp Bailouts). Those claiming to be 'Lefties' have become as unrealistic and overbearring as the Religious Right- both being used for the benefit of the Corp's who want nothing more then to Control the global Economy.They are being distracted by their own small mindedness and over zealousness which obscure the real issues that face US and the World.

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» Backassward Posted by: YogiBear
New Yorker's Satirical cover of Barack Obama
Posted by: Catherine Anne Smith on Jul 18, 2008 3:23 PM   
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I am noticing something here. While Barack Obama's campaign and supporters condemn the New Yorker's cover, Barrack himself does not. That way they get to have it both ways. They did the same with Hillary Clinton—while Obama's campaign used dirty tricks against Clinton, Obama himself said really nice things to and about her. That way, he gets to have it all--he can look like he is above it all, while his campaign does the dirty work. I am for what Obama says (it’s just a cartoon and there are more important issues), but not for how his campaign responded with indignant condemnation.
The New Yorker has great cartoons. Some people actually pay for them. Some people actually read the magazine (I confess it is read in my home). For those whose prejudices are re-enforced by a magazine cover's cartoon, well, maybe they/you need to look a little deeper. But, I am being judgmental...
Satire is, well, SATIRE! Do we have to preface any satirical written piece with a disclaimer? How about censuring cartoons by doing the same? Humor can move people when lecturing can't. Isn't that what the cartoon was about? Was the New Yorker making fun of the Obamas or of the simpletons who condemn them as violently radical Osama supporters? Really, some of the anti-Obama garbage is so stupid one feels the need to expose the ignorance.
The lack of humor within the Obama campaign is not very encouraging. I am thinking--these people want to take over the country and they can't even laugh at themselves? I like the guy, but his supporter scare me.

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» of Barack Obama Posted by: YogiBear
"OBAMA" Cover
Posted by: Jest2007 on Jul 18, 2008 5:55 PM   
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The New Yorker really crossed the line with this "Obama" cover. I think "tasteless" just about covers it. After 9/11 the satirizing of Muslims in this fashion would definitely be a sensitive issue, considering how they have been treated, coupled with President Bush's policies of torture, denial of habeas corpus to detainees and extraordinary rendition. As you know, innocent people of Mid-Eastern descent have been kidnapped, shipped off to secret CIA facilities to be tortured. To quote Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama: "The New Yorker may think, as one of their staff explained to us, that their cover is a satirical lampoon of the caricature Senator Obama's right-wing critics have tried to create. But most readers will see it as tasteless and offensive. And we agree." Now, how about a "satirical" cover for Senator McCain. Here are some ideas: McCain has been cozying up to the religious right and the neoconservatives, so maybe something about creationism or missile defense systems. Also, Senator McCain has said that he does not know much about economics; some rather nice satire can be applied to this issue. Jokes about the stock crash of 1929 anyone?

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Zionists Know McCain is their Boy
Posted by: 2Truthy on Jul 18, 2008 7:27 PM   
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Satire schmatire. They may as well have taken that cover illustration featuring Michele and Barack and put the caption "John McCain for President" right under it.

Zionists got to the New Yorker, and this cover illustration is proof that at the end of the day, the overlords perceive McCain to be the the bloodthirsty warmonger that he is to defend Israel against all perceived threats. These overlords do not trust Barack to be their unmitigated go-to guy when it comes to killing the shit out of innocent Palestinians, which most of us sense he is not into. McCain, by comparison, is their killing machine come true.

Anyone who has studied Communications 101 knows this New Yorker illustration will only incite more hatred and fear on so many levels including race that well, it's not even remotely funny, let alone deserving of the vaunted "satirical" label it has wrongly attracted.

Shame on the New Yorker. Here I thought it was a liberal zine...

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Americans & Satire
Posted by: helenwheels on Jul 19, 2008 8:40 AM   
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I just have to add, after reading through this really interesting comment thread, I can't quite agree with all of the posters up here who say Americans don't get or like satire or parody.

Look at the longest running TV series: The Simpsons and Saturday Night Live. That's all they are. Well-written (nearly always) satirical vignettes. And people in this country LOVE those shows or they wouldn't still be on.

I am a fan of Jonathan Swift and Voltaire, so I take my satire seriously (ha). But I think that the Simpsons (esp. the older episodes) is for the most part great satire, both visual and written, as have been quite a few SNL offerings for the past 30 or so years that it's been on.

I still think the New Yorker's cover isn't funny; in any case, it didn't make me laugh. I'm not an Obama supporter, but I just think that the times are weird, and that in the current climate, people have lost their sense of humor as it applies to politics. It's no surprise -- we are in such deep shit and it promises to only get worse. People are coming from a place of fear, desperately hoping that their candidate (Obama) is going to win and bring change. The New Yorker capitalized on that moreso than appealed to anyone's funnybone.

I can relate; before waking up to reality, I used to put all my hope on a candidate and ignore anything negative about them. When something came up in the news, I'd nearly jump out of my skin, for fear that this might mean they'd lose.

And then, on another level, the New Yorker is poking fun at overt racism, which just makes most people uncomfortable because they don't know how to react to it.

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» RE: Americans & Satire Posted by: galactica
» RE: Americans & Satire Posted by: keletsanatal
THE 527S ARE GOING TO DO WORSE IN OCTOBER. THE BEST THING WE CAN DO
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jul 19, 2008 1:41 PM   
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is to innoculate the electorate. Humor is always a hard dose of truth. The right is going to represent Obama exactly like this. Abe said some of the people all of the time. This should allow us to work on the other two catagories.

Repeating, the only cure for racial prejudice is embalming fluid. The only question is whether we have used enough of it yet. Only, you, me, and the internet can tame the 527s.

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The so-called 'Liberal Media'...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jul 19, 2008 3:47 PM   
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...is neither. This was proven by the planned scuttling of the known, experienced, leading candidate, Hillary Clinton, in favor of Barack Who? By of course, that same "Liberal" MSM Media. Taking their marching orders from none other than Republicans.

I call these New Democrats, DemoPublicans. They're the ones who excised the only candidacy for President, that American Democratic voters ever cared about--the Clinton candidacy--at the behest of our leadership's corporate bedfellows, the Republicans.

It would appear that the past eight years of daily exposure to the Republican "brand" has alas, corrupted many Democrats past their own brand.

And the reason is clear: the Republicans fear nothing--NOTHING--as much as another Clinton Presidency. Imagine--all the work in this country done by Americans? (NAFTA notwithstanding, no American went without a decent-paying job during the Clinton years.)
And at the end of this vast outpouring of wealth that THE RICH COULDN'T TOUCH--was a burgeoning, newly resurgent Middle Class? Oh HELL NO!

And the 400 Billion Dollar + Budget Surplus that Bill Clinton handed our country, like a farewell parting gift? Compare that with the pawn ticket written in Chinese, that Bush is leaving us with--among many other unsavory features of his presidency (small letter "p", intentional here, for obvious reasons)

Can't have THAT! (said the Republicans) We just escaped that kind of Administration--it took 9/11 to give us Bush for 8 years (Thank you, our Saudi brethren and partners in Big Oil!!!!!).

So--NO NO NO NO NO (said all but 25 million VERY irate voters) NO HILLARY! BAD HILLARY!
The misogynism that characterized the anti-Clinton forces, served to reveal a very ugly streak in the American character. But that's not what defeated the Clinton candidacy.

Make no mistake, it was terrified Republicans--terrified of losing their cushy tax breaks at our expense (among other things) more than anything else, who played on America's unfortunate misogynistic streak, to sink the next Clinton Presidency in favor of what may be, alas, (given first of all, his ready acceptance of the FISA fiasco) a much more pliable Obama Presidency.

We, 25 million strong Hillary supporters, have recognized this. We would have happily accepted a Hillary/Obama ticket--given Obama's now-apparent, woefully inadequate knowledge of the current machinery of foreign affairs, that should have been a slam-dunk. But we were not given that choice, so we have made one of our own. That choice will become apparent to the Corporate Liberal Elite, on Election Day this year.

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Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: galactica on Jul 19, 2008 4:02 PM   
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I agree completely. Let's repeal the 1st Amendment!

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» RE: You Mean Posted by: desidid
Bullshit
Posted by: ferdy on Jul 19, 2008 4:05 PM   
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Have you no sense of humor? Of satire? Get off your uptight high horse and gain some sense of perspective. With so much around us to get mad about, the majority of it engendered by that Wanker Bush and his snarling side-kick, let's not get upset by trivialities that might offend someone's delicate sensibilities. Complaining about this is like getting outraged because someone else farts in church!

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» RE: Bullshit-- Posted by: jvaljon1
ARE WE THAT EASILY MANIPULATED?
Posted by: cori on Jul 19, 2008 4:21 PM   
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Don't lose sight of what Bush has done and what McCain will do. The interview on Bill Moyers, The Journal, several months ago with two conservatives exposing Mc Cain as a Neo Con war monger has been ingrained in my mind. Obama is not perfect but I am sure he will surround himself with intelligent and experienced people. Just as Bush surrounded himself with those who carried out his pathetic agenda that has left this nation in economic ruins and evermore danger.

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ITHOUGHT THE COVER NOT A PROBLEM
Posted by: staicnoise on Jul 19, 2008 6:59 PM   
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Then again I understood the joke was directed towards the woman who made the iname "terrorist jab" remark, not the Obama's. IMO the backlash goes to show how ignorant Americans are of current events, even thos in their own country. The backlash reminds me of the Muslim response to editorial cartoons that featured Allah, without the violence of course.

America figure out what the small shit not worth sweating is and, stop sweating it. While this cover will will reinforce those who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway, it's not going to change the minds who have already decide to vote for him. Unless the conventions nominate candidates other than the assumed candidates(wishful thinking on my part) there is no need to campaign for the general election, I really doubt there are undecided voters.

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Comments prove a point
Posted by: sicntired on Jul 20, 2008 12:08 AM   
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When I first saw this cartoon I thought it was a smear job .Then I realised it was the work of one of these too smart by half leftie cartoonists that fail to understand the audience they write to are not the only ones to see their stuff.The thing spread across the net hitting every right wing column in America and was posted as proof that Obama was everything they had been warning us about.This was a poorly thought out piece of satire that should have been seen for it's potential for misuse by the single digit IQ crowd that follows the Rush Limbaugh's of this world.

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New Yorker Charactor Defamation
Posted by: zepher on Jul 20, 2008 11:29 AM   
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I only saw one thing in the frighteningly amazing cover of the Obama's on the elitist New Yorker magazine: it is not a matter of free speech anymore. It is a matter of how free speech can be twisted to politically and mentally defame the character of a person or family.

I would be just as embarrassed to see the Bushes on New Yorker magazine cover cleaning the toilets in a barrack in Baghdad, Iraq. With $$ signs and Abu Graib torture pictures on the wall. Along with one of their daughters taking a shower and getting electrocuted. And their dog being served on a platter to hungry Asians. This has not happened and the points made by author Don Hazen is so correct. This is a "swift boating" of the Obama family and will consciously or unconsciously stay in the memories of all who see it. Whether as the truth or disgusting, creepy character defamation.

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Alternative
Posted by: zepher on Jul 20, 2008 11:38 AM   
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In addition, if so many people think our presidential candidates suck, why do they not organize and present an independent alternative????????????????????????????

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Tom Blandy
Posted by: Tom Blandy on Jul 20, 2008 10:28 PM   
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I have great admiration for Don Hazen and sympathy for his and others feelings about the NYer cover. But I do also have a suffocating feeling that we're in bad shape if we can't have humor, we are giving in to ignorance. In this case it is well done parody understandable to just about any literate person as saying "what is referred to here is ridiculous!" Genuine wit is truth. Don Hazen et alia, just look at it -- its funny!

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Obama New Yorker Picture
Posted by: keletsanatal on Aug 13, 2008 1:30 PM   
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I think that it is deplorable for the New Yorker to display such a racist ad. It reminds me of the bigoted ads that were displayed against the Muslims by the Danish press. They admitted that could not do this against Jesus, thus they declined to do so, because it would be to controversial. It is the same situation again. Blitt and Remick knew it would be misinterpreted and obviously they did not care. In my estimation, that makes them culprits or even supporters of the racist regime and pundits that they are ostensibly exposing. A southern governor once stated that if you scratch a Northerner's ass you will find a segregationist. I think this abominable New Yorker cover reveals much more. Such as, their bigoted, racist attitude conveniently masked as liberalism.

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