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Bill Moyers: 'Journalism in Profound Crisis' (Video)
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Moyers cited the recent exposés about government propaganda in mainstream media as a symptom of "journalism in profound crisis."
"You couldn't find a more revealing measure of the state of the dominant media today than the continuing ubiquitous presence -- on the air and in print -- of the very pundits and experts, self-selected 'message multipliers' of a disastrous foreign policy, who got it all wrong in the first place," he said.
At the root of this crisis, Moyers said, is media consolidation.
"As conglomerates swallow up newspapers, magazines, publishing houses and broadcast outlets, news organizations are folded into entertainment divisions. The news hole in the print media shrinks to make room for ads, celebrities, nonsense and propaganda, and the news we need to know slips from sight."
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Posted by: realveive on Jun 7, 2008 4:47 PM
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» yes, on the left. Thank you for the compliment, but "do not claim to be wiser than you are"
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» No not left, right or middle - facts
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» No, YOU mean "on the left"
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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» RE: Who Do You Work for???Murdock?
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» What a lame retort from a small, frightened mind.
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 8, 2008 4:23 AM
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Since I have seen and been dismissed by MSNBC to refuse to air this LIE, I refrain from watching it -except my guilty pleasure Keith- I'm a weak person., a work in progress. But I have stopped watching the rest of the 'News' Outlets for quite some time and Only Watch the News Hour to get my daily information.with out our viewership, their ratings will plummet, their 'advertisers' will have no audience, the Ministry of 'Truth' will have no Megaphone.We can Bleed them Dry by just turning away. Only 'Feeding' those who Serve the People,blessing them with our attention.
Some are beinginng to feel the 'starvation' and beginning to 'Ride' back to US. But for some their treatory is too deep and has gone on for too long- So Good bye Mr.Murdock (et al) Your empires base is crumbling below you and it will NEVER be reconstituted.Two ways to Kill the Beast- Lop it's heads Off directly with Prosecution for High crimes or starve them to death by withholding that which they Thrive off of.
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Posted by: non-person on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 AM
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Addressing the packed auditorium, Moyers said the work of the media reform movement has "challenged the stranglehold of mega-media corporations over our press" and fostered "alternative and independent sources of news and information that people can trust.
Bill Moyers has done some investigative reporting- the PBS trade secrets special on the chemical industry and their PR technicians was outstanding (http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/) but his comments on the media miss some basic issues.
If you really want to know how to gauge media stories, consider these points:
1) First, there are no "independent sources" - there are just sources. There are certainly no "trusted sources" - but there are "untrustworthy sources." Someone can be right ten times and wrong once, or wrong ten times and right once.
2) To judge the accuracy of a story, it helps to know the background, which modern media outlets earnestly ignore. For example, not a single media outlet ran stories on how the U.S. had secretly helped arm Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, or on how the U.S. intended to steal Iraq's oil (the real reason for the invasion and occupation), or on how Saddam was using his oil reserves to weaken the dollar by going into euros (the U.S. has banned the new Iraqi government from selling oil for euros, as well).
3) The "new and independent" media sources are subject to the same kinds of coercion from their financial contollers as are the traditional media.
4) The media message is coordinated - much of the "independent media" just responds to the corporate propaganda put out by the leading media outlets, from NPR to CNN to ABC to FOX to CBS and NBC - all the same story, same theme, slightly adjusted for different audiences.
The central PR line regurgitated by the corporate media is that "America is a force for good in world affairs" - a blatant lie by any stretch of the imagination. Countries are not "forces for good" - people can do good deeds, certainly, but countries? Are bricks good or evil? Are constitutions good or evil? Is the media good or evil?
What did Goebbels say was the essence of propaganda, of all propaganda? Quote: "Take a complex topic, reduce it to the point where a very small child could understand it, and then repeat, repeat, repeat."
For example, take "globalization" - the childish take is America is Good, thus American Foreign Policy is Good, thus anyone who opposes globalization hates America and is Evil. This is also the corporate media viewpoint.
In reality, the situation is complex, and the chains of colonial control are based on two issues, largely: intellectual property right controls and capital liberalization rules. Those form the basic elements of the global colonial system, which is then enforced by the U.S. globe-spanning military machine.
In short, U.S. foreign policy is best described as aggressive economic warfare against weak nations, backed up by covert violence and, in the last resort, military invasion - all in order to secure control of other country's natural resources and labor pools. This policy is largely supported by the G8 because it fits their agenda as well.
So, there is nothing "sad" about the collapse of the American Empire - regardless of the tears of Travis Smiley at National Propaganda Radio - it should be a very joyful occasion, unless your cash flows come off the backs of child slave laborers in China or somewhere similar.
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» RE: "trust" and "media" should never be uttered in the same sentence...
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Posted by: arclight7 on Jun 8, 2008 7:47 AM
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Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Jun 9, 2008 4:24 AM
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Posted by: babka on Jun 9, 2008 7:35 AM
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(which has long pre-existed in the Public Access realm - not to be confused with Public TV or Radio which utilizes its fundraising tactics while airing the spin of the embedded ones)
as beginning on his show,
and then I couldn't really get beyond the Pat Mitchell endorsement and the commercial for his son's book and his promise of an upcoming signing session for his book....
I just kinda wandered away.
If you consider that a segment on Mister Rogers Neighborhood on the subject of CONFLICT was removed from the cycle of the re-runs, because it was deemed (by the PBS Powers That Be) too - what? - pertinent? It touched on the subject of War and Peace? Fear and Reconciliation? - you will understand the extent of the censorship by powerful corporations, reaching into the realm of Children's Television. It's O.K. to sell the tasteful toys of Children's Television Workshop, mind you, on "public" television, but it's not o.k. to air subject matter which will infuriate or thrill or give food for thought to the Littles of this generation and their brainwashed parents.
Sorry, Bill. You are becoming what you say you despise.
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Posted by: gellero1 on Jun 10, 2008 7:06 PM
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So why is it that 'journalists' don't have one?????
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Posted by: Dianka on Jun 25, 2008 10:43 AM
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Consider our welfare "reform". The Dem. Party, under B. Clinton, that took an ax to the New Deal. The New Deal gave ordinary people a real chance, shrinking our economic disparities (now among the world's worst) to historic lows. Our "failed welfare" greatly increased employability and productivity, resulting in increased health, education, skilled labor and general quality of life. The New Deal created the wealth that we once had, making us a world leader. But since Reagan, we've allowed the public discussion to be hijacked. Clinton turned the poor into a massive bottom wage temp help force; connect the dots to see how this has crushed unions, dissolved workers' rights, and resulted in the deterioration of wages for all US workers. Instead of calling on our fellow citizens to wage a national workers' strike, we hold up the people working 16 hours a day at bottom wages as an ideal.
Think about this: As a result of B. Clinton's welfare "reform", and in only ten year's time, the life expectancy of our poor fell below that of some Third World nations, and the infant mortality rate among our poor now rivals that of the Third World. Our social policies are killing people. The progressive response has been indifference. We support an agenda (welfare "reform") that violates the international human rights standards that we claim to support(UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights). But we can't connect the dots between this support, and the fact that we don't apply those rights to our poor, and the media has an interest in not connecting the dots for us.
A generation ago, when people still remembered the Great Depression and the impact of the New Deal, the idea that we would call an anti-New Deal candidate a "liberal" would have been inconceivable. Today, we call Barack Obama a liberal, in spite of his support for the corporatist anti-poor agenda. There will be no easing of the concentration of wealth, and poverty will continue to increase. I plan to vote for Obama, myself, but have no illusions that he will restore human rights, fair wages, and simple human decency to the public discussion, much less to policy.
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» yes, on the left. Thank you for the compliment, but "do not claim to be wiser than you are"
Posted by: Beck
» No not left, right or middle - facts
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» No, YOU mean "on the left"
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» RE: Bill Moyers is and Shall Remain One of the Finest Journalists Left..Thank You, Bill...
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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» RE: How magnanimous.what are you doing here?
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» RE: How magnanimous.what are you doing here?
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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» RE: Who Do You Work for???Murdock?
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» What a lame retort from a small, frightened mind.
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» Silly Ad Hominen Attack; You Missed the Message, Which is What Counts!
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» congratulations
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» Press - not a market arena...
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» RE:You know, if you walk around it, Pisa leans to the right.
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» silly silly "Romansl"
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» RE: How magnanimous.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 8, 2008 4:23 AM
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Since I have seen and been dismissed by MSNBC to refuse to air this LIE, I refrain from watching it -except my guilty pleasure Keith- I'm a weak person., a work in progress. But I have stopped watching the rest of the 'News' Outlets for quite some time and Only Watch the News Hour to get my daily information.with out our viewership, their ratings will plummet, their 'advertisers' will have no audience, the Ministry of 'Truth' will have no Megaphone.We can Bleed them Dry by just turning away. Only 'Feeding' those who Serve the People,blessing them with our attention.
Some are beinginng to feel the 'starvation' and beginning to 'Ride' back to US. But for some their treatory is too deep and has gone on for too long- So Good bye Mr.Murdock (et al) Your empires base is crumbling below you and it will NEVER be reconstituted.Two ways to Kill the Beast- Lop it's heads Off directly with Prosecution for High crimes or starve them to death by withholding that which they Thrive off of.
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Posted by: non-person on Jun 8, 2008 6:16 AM
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Addressing the packed auditorium, Moyers said the work of the media reform movement has "challenged the stranglehold of mega-media corporations over our press" and fostered "alternative and independent sources of news and information that people can trust.
Bill Moyers has done some investigative reporting- the PBS trade secrets special on the chemical industry and their PR technicians was outstanding (http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/) but his comments on the media miss some basic issues.
If you really want to know how to gauge media stories, consider these points:
1) First, there are no "independent sources" - there are just sources. There are certainly no "trusted sources" - but there are "untrustworthy sources." Someone can be right ten times and wrong once, or wrong ten times and right once.
2) To judge the accuracy of a story, it helps to know the background, which modern media outlets earnestly ignore. For example, not a single media outlet ran stories on how the U.S. had secretly helped arm Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, or on how the U.S. intended to steal Iraq's oil (the real reason for the invasion and occupation), or on how Saddam was using his oil reserves to weaken the dollar by going into euros (the U.S. has banned the new Iraqi government from selling oil for euros, as well).
3) The "new and independent" media sources are subject to the same kinds of coercion from their financial contollers as are the traditional media.
4) The media message is coordinated - much of the "independent media" just responds to the corporate propaganda put out by the leading media outlets, from NPR to CNN to ABC to FOX to CBS and NBC - all the same story, same theme, slightly adjusted for different audiences.
The central PR line regurgitated by the corporate media is that "America is a force for good in world affairs" - a blatant lie by any stretch of the imagination. Countries are not "forces for good" - people can do good deeds, certainly, but countries? Are bricks good or evil? Are constitutions good or evil? Is the media good or evil?
What did Goebbels say was the essence of propaganda, of all propaganda? Quote: "Take a complex topic, reduce it to the point where a very small child could understand it, and then repeat, repeat, repeat."
For example, take "globalization" - the childish take is America is Good, thus American Foreign Policy is Good, thus anyone who opposes globalization hates America and is Evil. This is also the corporate media viewpoint.
In reality, the situation is complex, and the chains of colonial control are based on two issues, largely: intellectual property right controls and capital liberalization rules. Those form the basic elements of the global colonial system, which is then enforced by the U.S. globe-spanning military machine.
In short, U.S. foreign policy is best described as aggressive economic warfare against weak nations, backed up by covert violence and, in the last resort, military invasion - all in order to secure control of other country's natural resources and labor pools. This policy is largely supported by the G8 because it fits their agenda as well.
So, there is nothing "sad" about the collapse of the American Empire - regardless of the tears of Travis Smiley at National Propaganda Radio - it should be a very joyful occasion, unless your cash flows come off the backs of child slave laborers in China or somewhere similar.
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Posted by: www.suekatz.com on Jun 9, 2008 4:24 AM
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(which has long pre-existed in the Public Access realm - not to be confused with Public TV or Radio which utilizes its fundraising tactics while airing the spin of the embedded ones)
as beginning on his show,
and then I couldn't really get beyond the Pat Mitchell endorsement and the commercial for his son's book and his promise of an upcoming signing session for his book....
I just kinda wandered away.
If you consider that a segment on Mister Rogers Neighborhood on the subject of CONFLICT was removed from the cycle of the re-runs, because it was deemed (by the PBS Powers That Be) too - what? - pertinent? It touched on the subject of War and Peace? Fear and Reconciliation? - you will understand the extent of the censorship by powerful corporations, reaching into the realm of Children's Television. It's O.K. to sell the tasteful toys of Children's Television Workshop, mind you, on "public" television, but it's not o.k. to air subject matter which will infuriate or thrill or give food for thought to the Littles of this generation and their brainwashed parents.
Sorry, Bill. You are becoming what you say you despise.
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So why is it that 'journalists' don't have one?????
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Posted by: Dianka on Jun 25, 2008 10:43 AM
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Consider our welfare "reform". The Dem. Party, under B. Clinton, that took an ax to the New Deal. The New Deal gave ordinary people a real chance, shrinking our economic disparities (now among the world's worst) to historic lows. Our "failed welfare" greatly increased employability and productivity, resulting in increased health, education, skilled labor and general quality of life. The New Deal created the wealth that we once had, making us a world leader. But since Reagan, we've allowed the public discussion to be hijacked. Clinton turned the poor into a massive bottom wage temp help force; connect the dots to see how this has crushed unions, dissolved workers' rights, and resulted in the deterioration of wages for all US workers. Instead of calling on our fellow citizens to wage a national workers' strike, we hold up the people working 16 hours a day at bottom wages as an ideal.
Think about this: As a result of B. Clinton's welfare "reform", and in only ten year's time, the life expectancy of our poor fell below that of some Third World nations, and the infant mortality rate among our poor now rivals that of the Third World. Our social policies are killing people. The progressive response has been indifference. We support an agenda (welfare "reform") that violates the international human rights standards that we claim to support(UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights). But we can't connect the dots between this support, and the fact that we don't apply those rights to our poor, and the media has an interest in not connecting the dots for us.
A generation ago, when people still remembered the Great Depression and the impact of the New Deal, the idea that we would call an anti-New Deal candidate a "liberal" would have been inconceivable. Today, we call Barack Obama a liberal, in spite of his support for the corporatist anti-poor agenda. There will be no easing of the concentration of wealth, and poverty will continue to increase. I plan to vote for Obama, myself, but have no illusions that he will restore human rights, fair wages, and simple human decency to the public discussion, much less to policy.
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