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New York Times Perpetuates the Myth that George Bush Won the 2000 Election
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That's not true.
The New York Times did not do its own recount. It did participate in a consortium. Here's what the consortium actually said: "If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin." Ford Fessenden and John M. Broder, New York Times, Nov. 12, 2001.
Why did Ms. Stanley make such an important and fundamental error?
It is not a trivial matter. It is a common piece of misinformation. Many, many people believe it. Now a few more do, as a result of Ms. Stanley's review. It is not a trivial matter. Because that misinformation was created by one of the most bizarre, and still completely unexplained, journalistic events in modern times.
Here's what happened.
George Bush appeared to have won Florida, and therefore the presidency.
The law in Florida was actually quite simple and direct:
Æ’(4) If the returns for any office reflect that a candidate was defeated or eliminated by one-half of a percent or less of the votes cast for such office ... the board responsible for certifying the results of the vote on such race or measure shall order a recount of the votes cast with respect to such office or measure.That is one of the simplest and most clearly written bits of legislation I've ever seen anywhere. The Florida court thought so too and ordered a recount. Then the United States Supreme Court stepped in and shut the recounts down. Bush was left as the victor and became the president. But, presumably, the whole world wanted to know who actually did get the most votes. It would make a great and important story. But getting the truth was too time-consuming and expensive for any single news organization, so a consortium was formed. It consisted of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post and CNN. It took almost a year and cost more than a million dollars. All the news organizations had the same information: Al Gore got more legal, countable votes than George Bush. Here are the headlines:
New York Times: "STUDY OF DISPUTED FLORIDA BALLOTS FINDS JUSTICES DID NOT CAST THE DECIDING VOTE"
Wall Street Journal: "IN ELECTION REVIEW, BUSH WINS WITHOUT SUPREME COURT HELP"
Los Angeles Times: "BUSH STILL HAD VOTES TO WIN IN A RECOUNT, STUDY FINDS"
Washington Post: "FLORIDA RECOUNTS WOULD HAVE FAVORED BUSH"
CNN.com: "FLORIDA RECOUNT STUDY: BUSH STILL WINS"
St. Petersburg Times: "RECOUNT: BUSH."
If you were still interested, after the headlines, and bothered to read the stories, it didn't get much better. I read it in the New York Times. Frankly, I missed the key paragraph, until I saw it pointed out in an article by Gore Vidal. I subsequently went back and read all the stories. The Times was the worst in terms of active misdirection. They spent the first three paragraphs supporting the headline, and they explicitly stated that Bush would have won even with a statewide recount. Finally, in the fourth paragraph -- if you got that far -- was the statement quoted above:
"If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin."
There it was. A very simple statement. Al Gore got more votes in Florida than George Bush. It is also very well buried. It had arcana about chads on both sides of it. Even so, as if in a panic to make sure that nobody might think that it mattered that Al Gore got more votes than George Bush, the Times dismissed what the consortium had spent a million dollars to find out: "While these are fascinating findings, they do not represent a real-world situation. There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes." That would seem to be a fairly obvious interpretation of the law, and it is what was found when someone actually did sit down and count the votes.
The rest of the story, another four paragraphs, detailed a variety of other possible recounts, all partial recounts -- these counties, but not those counties -- that the Gore lawyers or the Bush lawyers asked for at various times. Bush would have won all of those variations; he just didn't get the most votes in Florida. Not that the all variations mattered much. The Florida court had ordered a statewide hand recount.
The news story spinners hung their hat on a technicality.
Florida law, as affirmed by the courts, says a vote most be counted if there is "a clear indication of the intent of the voter." When the questions and lawsuits started, they were about undervotes. An undervote is when a voter has tried to vote but for some reason the counting machines fail to accept it. The most common cause, in Florida, which used a punch system, was that the punching device did not make a clear hole in the voting card. The piece of paper that was supposed to be knocked out, a chad, was hanging, or only broken on two corners, or merely dented. While the machines couldn't discern the "intent of the voter," the human eye often could. So we had the spectacle, and the jokes, about "hanging chads" as the recounts began. If only the undervotes were counted, by some standards of judging them, then Bush would have won.
But the consortium recount came across something else: overvotes. An overvote is when someone punches in the name of the candidate, and then, just to make sure, writes their name on the ballot. The machines could only read that the ballots had been marked in two places and threw them out.
But a human being, who saw that the place to vote for Gore had been punched and then that Gore's name had been written in, could easily determine the intent of the voter. So the reporters for the consortium kept track of those too, and found out that Gore actually won.
Had the people inspecting the votes in the actual recount also noticed overvotes, and would they have done something about them? The answer appears to be yes.
Newsweek has uncovered hastily scribbled faxed notes written by Terry Lewis, the plain-speaking, mystery-novel-writing state judge in charge of the Florida recount -- just hours before the U.S. Supreme Court issued its order -- showing that Lewis was actively considering directing the counties to also count an even larger category of disputed ballots, the so-called "overvotes," which were rejected by the machines because they purportedly recorded more than one vote for president:
"Judge, if you would, segregate 'overvotes' as you describe and indicate in your final report how many where you determined the clear intent of the voter," Lewis wrote in a note to Judge W. Wayne Woodard, chairman of the Charlotte County Canvassing Board on the afternoon of Dec. 9, 2000. "I will rule on the issue for all counties, Thanks, Terry Lewis."Newsweek, "The Final Word?" by Michael Isikoff, 11/19/01
That leaves us with a big question.
The largest, most prestigious news organizations in the United States -- pretty much in the world -- discovered a great and exciting story: The wrong guy was president of the United States. Also, that the Supreme Court of the United States had interfered in an election to frustrate the actual will of the voters. (Justice Antonin Scalia wants us to get over it.) Why did they so distort the story with misleading headlines, by burying the lead, by blowing so much fog and confusion around it, that almost everybody who read or heard the story walked away with the false impression that they had deliberately created? Created so successfully that the New York Times TV show reviewer is repeating it as fact seven years later.
There is no hard, on-the-record answer to that. None of the editors or publishers have come forward and said, "This is why we spun the story the way we did, even if it meant pissing away the million dollars we spent to get it." Nobody has, and nobody can, sue them for gratuitous misinformation and malfeasance, and put them in the witness box under oath to get to the bottom of it. There is only speculation. The story is dated Nov. 12, 2001, just two months after Sept. 11, 2001. We can imagine that they universally felt it was not the time to announce a pretender was on the throne and that the system was rotten, right to the top. But I sure would love to know how they all got on the same page about it. That would make a terrific story. Not as great as the one they threw away, but good enough.
I wrote to the Times and suggested a correction. At the time that I've submitted this, none has appeared. However, the Gray Lady did correct an article that appeared the same day about "Sex and the City" that got the number of its television seasons wrong. You have to know when accuracy is important.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 29, 2008 1:13 AM
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We surely wouldn't be in Iraq, killing 4000 of our people and a million of theirs, blowing $3 trillion in the process.
We probably wouldn't even be in Afghanistan, because Gore would have heeded the warning in his Daily Brief and put airport security and law enforcement people on high alert. The counterterrorism effort would not have been drastically reduced, as it was in Bush's first year. So 9/11 would probably be remembered by a few as the day 19 foreign nationals were arrested trying to board with box cutters, but that's all.
We wouldn't be running a huge budget deficit, and the rich would be paying their fair share of taxes. New Orleans would have gotten a lot more help a lot faster. We would probably have enacted some moderately progressive environmental legislation, such as automotive fuel efficiency standards. We wouldn't be torturing or illegally spying on people. We probably wouldn't even be in a recession, and we wouldn't be paying as much for fuel.
It still gripes me that Clarence Thomas's wife, Antonin Scalia's son and William Rehnquist's daughter were rewarded with well paid government jobs after they ruled in Bush's favor. Any ordinary judge who did something like that would have been impeached and removed. And it's still not too late, except for the late but unlamented Mr Rehnquist, to do that.
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 29, 2008 3:13 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 29, 2008 3:42 AM
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I have recounted this expereince numerous times but to no avail. I will Try again
First of course the intentional defunct of the date change- MI 'Leaders' KNEW what would happen - we will hold them responsible (Levin)
SEcond the Media's Mantra.."Clinton the Only Dem on the Ballot' Lie and an attempt to suppress voters. Who do you think bothered to come out in Jan to vote' Uncommitted'??? Why bother. I did only because I knew Kucinich was listed (along with Gravel too, Dodd had dropped out by then)
Third, When I went to vote, it took me a second to find 'Kucinich' ...His name was at the TOP of the Ballot, the rest in alphabetical order after that. Imentioned it to the Election staff- they too found it 'strange' since the Repub was in Alph order.
I have yet to hear of any other name listed at the top OTHER THAN CLINTON.I wrote Sec Land, who claims this is well within 'Normal' operating procedures. Funny so they spent extra money to have numerous, varied Ballots printed- WHY ?? Second having taken scantron test up through college, I KNOW these machines are Pre programmed to read answers uniformily. so did they Pay extra for each machine to be UNIQUELY preprogrammed for each district depending on the Ballot organization?WHY??Most likely they did NOT so any 'mark' for the first listed candidate was read as a Vote for the first candidate found in Alphabetical Order ....Clinton.
Also lets consider the Demographics of MI- Union courses through our Blood (Born & Bred) , We also have good number of metropolitan cities. Had Edwards and Obama been on the Ballot- Hillary would have been left in the Dust.
Also consider WHO sits on th eArmed Services Com (Con) with Hillary..Levin who Pushed for th eDate Change and had the audacity to write me regarding why it was a 'good' thing to do-BS CARL! And add Our Gov, who endorsed Hillary right out of the Gate. She can't be a Presidential Canidate- but she can get a High Ranking Position in the 'All Girl Administration'.
I DO NOT WANT ANY DELEGATES COUNTED FROM MICHIGAN- IT WAS A RIGGED SCAM TO USE US AS AN ACE IN HER POCKET!!!!
This Life long Loyal voting Dem will NEVER vote for another Dem if this Crime is allowed to continue into the convention. I Smell the STENCH of Neo CONS in BLUE!!
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Posted by: TFYQA on May 29, 2008 4:01 AM
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BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY (video clip)
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They were in position to cover this crucial story from the get go, but 4 years later they were still covering up this crime against democracy.
"A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both." - James Madison
The whole tragic state of affair is laid down for all to see right here...
LYNCHING BY LAPTOP (video clip)
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"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." – Plato
EXECUTIVE RESUME
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Meanwhile...
"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
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Posted by: TFYQA on May 29, 2008 4:12 AM
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Posted by: reinaldok on May 29, 2008 4:40 AM
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Something to think about.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 29, 2008 4:52 AM
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The other way to read this article is as an absolutely current criticism of the media. If you can't trust the NYT who can you trust? And you clearly cannot trust the NYT. Their treatment of the 2000 election recount was clearly an intentional obfuscation even though the truth of the matter was buried in the story for those who read the article very, very carefully and critically (probably less than 0.1% of readers).
A comment I've heard on television and radio programs, in discussions about the internet is that there is no fact checking, so how can you possibly trust what you read. Well, can we really trust what we hear on radio and TV or read, even in the venerable NYT? I think not.
On the other hand, is there no fact checking? Unlike the MSM, sites like Alternet and OpEdNews offer anyone the ability to comment on articles. When someone sees a factual error or obfuscation they are likely to make a comment. To me this seems a much better form of fact checking than the MSM appears to offer.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 29, 2008 6:18 AM
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So The NY Times largely due I believe to their attending Bilderberg Group meetings is compromised corrupted and now more a part of the problem than any part of the solution..
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Posted by: Last Chance on May 29, 2008 6:34 AM
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Later, some of these people organized several petitions to place before the Senate in Washington when Al Gore was still the Vice President and, one by one, no Democratic Senator would sponsor them and, one by one, Al Gore rapped the gavel saying "The lady will suspend". "The lady will suspend." The only reason I know this happened is because Michael Moore included it in his documentary. Who remembers it?
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Posted by: gazooks on May 29, 2008 7:10 AM
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This 2006 HBO documentary illustrates the evolution of technology and the methodology in subverting the vote. If you haven't seen it, you've got until June 16th when it's being pulled. It is as important to this nation as any film ever made. Have you even heard of it or read a review?
Quite simply, it clearly demonstrates why and how the '08 elections will possibly be, (or are) as invalid/corrupted/manipulated as those of 2000 and '04.
If your voting on a Diebold touch screen, your vote is meaningless due to an executable program on the tallying memory card, vehemently denied by Diebold, incontrovertibly and expertly shown as fact.
It's absolutely stunning how it's been largely ignored, and criminal in official complacency.
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Posted by: EncinoM on May 29, 2008 7:40 AM
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Again as a poster already pointed out, Gore was president of the Senate, and could have opened the floor to debate regarding whether or not to accept the results.
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Posted by: bc430 on May 29, 2008 7:40 AM
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I will never forget Fox News calling Florida for Bush.
I will never forget the Networks one by one repeating the LIE, "We made a mistake."
I have never referred and I will never refer to Cheney/GWB as President of The United States of America.
The mind manipulators switched the subject from uncounted votes to electronic voting machines. Now elections can be stolen more effeciently.
It all turns around the day "WE THE PEOPLE" absolutely reject divide and conquer top down divisivness, take up the Declaration Of Independence and the U.S. Constitution and take over.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 29, 2008 8:23 AM
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The following is Bush's REAL military history:
As shown by official USAF records made public in 2003, he quit flying F102 interceptors in April 1972, 30 months before the end of his sworn Guard duty tour. Then, two months later, in June 1972, Dub-ya grounded himself permanently by refusing to take a mandatory flight physical and went AWOL.
However, in his 1999 autobiography, A Charge to Keep,. Bush claimed he flew ANG jets in 1973, which effectively covered up his dishonorable Guard tour. Because his USAF records were still under wraps in 2000, newspaper and TV reporters did not know about Bush's real military service.
Here's the plain truth about Shrub. Had we Americans known about his AWOL Guard history in 2000, he wouldn’t be our 43rd president. The election outcome that year was too close to call. Disclosing the real facts of his military service most certainly would have caused some of the 25 million war veterans to switch their support to Al Gore, who served in Vietnam and won the Bronze Star.
Even so, despite Dub-ya’s ability to hide past transgressions, he still lost the popular election by 538,000 votes and only became commander-in-chief after winning Florida with a razor-thin margin of 537 ballots. A mere 300-vote swing would have made former Army Sergeant Gore the winner.
Of the thousands of Republican enlisted personnel in the Sunshine State, active duty and retired, how many do you suppose would have voted for Big Al after learning Shrub had shirked his sworn military duty during the Vietnam War?
Three hundred, perhaps?
More likely, 10 times that many -- the reason Bush misrepresented his ANG service in 2000 and did so again four years later. Winning obviously meant everything to him; being an honest candidate with integrity did not.
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 29, 2008 9:21 AM
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Solution is easy STOP BUYING THE TIMES.
Boycott the press. All of them. Stop buying newspapers,watching TV news and magazines. You stop the beast by cutting out it's tongue. The best thing we can do for ourselves is put the media out of business by non-support. Stop the perversion of your mind. Besides the damn paper is barely good enough to wrap fish!!!
Jeffrey7 for Prez in '08
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 29, 2008 9:31 AM
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I came in for shift change and there he was at the kitchen table reading the Local metropolitan paper. He was reading and sipping from a coffee cup. Occasionally he’d whoop and rub his scalp. I asked; Eksy what’s going on there? “Awww, nothing! A little more sipping coffee a little more scalp rubbing and “Whooooo!” “Now Eksy, something is making you holler what is going on?”
Pointing he asked: “Have you read this paper Brad?” “No Eksy, what is in there that’s bothering you?” “Well it says here that they are recounting the Ballots for that presidential election again!” “So?” “Well now Brad I am slow and all but I can count, and I only have to count things once! You mean to tell me that these people running the government have had all this time to count these votes and they still haven’t got the right number?” “ That’s what they say Eksy.” “Oh, my goodness, you know Brad I don’t think that man they put in office is the Real President!”
Just the Facts Danny, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
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Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2008 9:58 AM
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Posted by: robbie.seal on May 29, 2008 10:09 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 29, 2008 10:24 AM
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The Supremes had *zero* right to tell Florida to stop counting. Federal law states a time limit for states to report their tallies, that's all the authority they actually had.
So, the "Justices" had only two options:
1) "Time's up - is that your final answer?"
2) Extend the deadline to allow the recount to go forward.
But of course, either of those options would have handed it to Gore.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 29, 2008 10:38 AM
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Scalia is willing to lie and claim it was the Democrats who filed in the courts first another lie which he has repeated multiple times..
Even Jeffery Tobin has pointed out this is not true, but think of all the lives lost, harm done fortune lost and squandered, because Scalia is a corrupt lying arrogant big fat gavone and gumba..!
TJ Colatrella..
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 29, 2008 12:10 PM
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Don't give me any Crap about not being a good American my fucking service number was RA16843335 what was yours? I'll bet you're one of those yes men that agreed to use your SSN as an Army ID aren't ya? That is if you were in the service at all you hypocrites.
IF nothing and if your ass, that goddamned election was tampered with, there is no goddamned “if” about that. Open your mind it is time for your daily aphorism: “He who buries his head up his ass gets his eyes full of shit! I know, I been there and done that I voted for Reagan for financial and career reasons BIG MISTAKE!
After I got my head out of my ass, everything looked like shit. It took 16months to get the crap cleaned out before I was willing to admit it was my own damn fault for counting unhatched chickens. Then it took another six months to admit my hero had lied to all of us.
Moral: Learn from the mistakes of others you can’t possibly make them all yourself!
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Posted by: democracynowiniraq on May 29, 2008 5:09 PM
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Posted by: colek on May 29, 2008 7:34 PM
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on May 30, 2008 5:54 PM
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from the jaws of victory:
President Gore
Is no more:
He's been replaced
By a Corporate Whore...
And, on the 2004 "election"...
Ohio was tough
But Kerry's not rough
He took the High Ground
So he's not White House bound...
And, on the 2008 Democratic Hijinks:
The next 8 Clinton
prosperous years--
(With a little help from Karl)
The Dems have managed
To lose to McCain.
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Posted by: whealeydj on May 30, 2008 7:08 PM
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Jun 5, 2008 5:59 PM
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