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Dig deeper, however, and the question of who Savage is, and how truly savage he is, becomes far more complicated. "Savage" isn't his real name; it seems to speak to his heightened sense of masculinity, his aggression, and his antipathy toward minorities. Born Michael Alan Weiner, "Savage" is the child of Russian-Jewish immigrants. He earned two master's degrees and a Ph.D. in nutritional ethnomedicine from that liberal bastion the University of California, Berkeley. He's written two dozen books, five as Michael Savage and an additional 19 under his given name, on medicine, the subjects of which range from maintaining a healthy diet to breaking a cocaine habit. But by any name, he professes to know what's good for you.
Before the vitriolic monologist emerged, there was another, kinder and gentler Michael. This one roamed Greenwich Village and the Bay Area in the early 1970s, kept a weathered copy of On the Road in his back pocket, and lay on the beach with the renowned beat poets Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti whenever he wasn't working on stand-up comedy routines. He guarded Timothy Leary's LSD supply, and he even once posed naked in a photograph with Ginsberg, a well-known and very public homosexual, which he distributed among friends in an attempt to prove himself part of the counterculture. At some point, however, more than 25 years ago, something took a sinister turn and, like Prince Hal rejecting Falstaff, Savage suddenly disavowed his former friends. In a 2006 interview for SF Weekly, Savage explained, "I was once a child; I am now a man." In the same interview, he said of Ginsberg, "I looked at him almost like a rabbinic figure. Little did I know that he was the fucking devil." For Savage, rejecting his old friends was simply a part of growing up.
The moralist, the healer, and the hedonist -- there's a tension between his three identities, which interact like a trio of siblings elbowing each other for seconds at the dinner table. As one listens to his conservative radio talk personality, one is moved to question whether it's his true self, not because Savage isn't consistent in his views, but because the views are so grotesque it's difficult to believe that anyone-let alone a former beatnik-could espouse them with a straight face. While it's more than passing strange for a homophobic, conservative radio host to work out of San Francisco, Savage continues to broadcast nationally from his base in the city he likes to call "San Fran Sicko."
Savage is so extreme that even many of his fellow right-wing talk radio personalities don't like him. Bill O'Reilly calls him a "smear merchant," while Neal Boortz refers to Savage as "the Antichrist." Although Talkers Magazine recently bestowed its annual Freedom of Speech award upon Savage, publisher Michael Harrison says he thinks the man is "an asshole." Liberal advocacy organizations such as GLAAD and ACLU have censured him. Liberal media watchdog groups have compiled long lists of the especially inflammatory remarks Savage has made-many of which must be heard or seen in print to be believed. Collectively they justify the cautionary statement that is read by an announcer before each edition of The Savage Nation.
Why do so many different people dislike Savage and his Nation? Perhaps it's because Savage dislikes so many different people. In his book The Savage Nation: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Language and Culture, he writes, "I was raised on neglect, anger, and hate. I was raised the old-fashioned way." Despite claiming to have originated the term "compassionate conservative" (and threatening to sue George W. Bush for appropriating it), Savage is usually far more passionate than compassionate. On the issue of illegal immigration, he said:
"We, the people, are being displaced by the people of Mexico. This is an invasion by any other name. Everybody with a brain understands that. Everybody who understands reality understands we are being pushed out of our own country."
On CNN news anchors:
"Wolf Blitzer, a Jew who was born in Israel, [is] probably the most despicable man in the media next to Larry King, who takes a close runner-up by the hair of a nose. The two of them together look like the type that would have pushed Jewish children into the oven to stay alive one more day to entertain the Nazis."
On homosexuality:
"The radical homosexual agenda will not stop until religion is outlawed in this country. Make no mistake about it. They're all not nice decorators
They threaten your very survival
Gay marriage is just the tip of the iceberg. They want full and total subjugation of this society to their agenda."
And in conclusion:
"Why should we have constant sympathy for people who are freaks in every society? I'm sick and tired of the whole country begging, bending over backwards for the junkie, the freak, the pervert, the illegal immigrant. All of them are better than everybody else. Sick."
Listening to a host for whom even George W. Bush is too liberal (Savage particularly lambastes the president on immigration issues) can be an intense experience. Yet millions of people do it. As New Yorker editor Ben Greenman says, "People who listen to Savage say that he's a little extreme but that some of the things he says are also true. I think his show does encourage you to think for yourself, because he's so weirdly contradictory."
Savage's three-hour program often consists of apoplectic rants-usually against a particular group or groups of people allegedly doing damage to America-that end with an animalistic, Network-like cry of "I can't take this anymore!" During calmer times, Savage ends his monologues with a huffy "That's just the way I see it." Sometimes Savage exhibits a rare and startling tenderness, for instance in his fond recollections of the lm director Elia Kazan (famous not only for On the Waterfront but also for naming names to the House Un-American Activities Committee).
And every so often Savage changes the subject, mentioning a great barber he's been to recently or a good movie he's just seen. There is something almost hypnotic about the up-and-down anger on the program; even though Savage's views are not always internally coherent, he is supremely confident and comfortable in expressing them. His ability to steer the course without having to resort to logic to support his points is a trait more often seen in politicians than commentators. Indeed, Savage briefly (if laughably) mulled a run for the 2008 presidency on the grounds that since neither the Democrats nor the Republicans were to be trusted, a nonpolitician like him might be exactly what the country needed.
Savage's main sources of anger these days are illegal immigrants, Islamic terrorists (a near-redundancy for him), and homosexuals. Unlike his parents, who legally emigrated to the United States, arriving in Ellis Island, illegal immigrants assault fundamental American values-or so Savage claims. They not only compromise the security of the border and bring drugs, crime, and disease with them, but they threaten the American way of life-or at least the white male way of life. In reference to Arabs, Savage has said that the "racist, fascist bigots" should be converted to Christianity because "Christianity has been one of the great salvations on planet Earth. It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings."
The shift in Savage's attitudes toward homosexuality may be the most revealing of his complex persona. When he was younger, his father mocked Savage's sexuality. "Michael would have on tight black jeans and a boat-necked sweater, and his dad would say, 'I don't like the way you're dressed. You look like a fag,'" childhood friend Alan Zaitz has said. In his first and only novel, Vital Signs, the protagonist (a fortyish Jew named Samuel Trueblood who shares many of Savage's biographical details) says, "I choose to override my desires for men when they swell in me, waiting out the passions like a storm, below decks." There are Savage's years with Ginsberg and Ferlinghetti, including a note to Ginsberg that read, "Watched a tourist from New Zealand taking pictures of Fijian people in the marketplace [and] thought of inserting my camera's lens in your A-hole to photograph the walls of your rectum." These days, his attitude is outright hostility, with, for instance, his continual assertion of a "homosexual mafia" trying to control the state of world affairs. Savage has also said that gay parenting is "child abuse" and that the sight of a gay couple "makes me want to puke."
In an interview with the right-wing Web site NewsMax.com, Savage said, "I guess people love my show because of my hard edge combined with humor and education. Those who listen to me say they hear a bit of Plato, Henry Miller, Jack Kerouac, Moses, Jesus, and Frankenstein." Frankenstein aside, that's not bad company, and hyperbole notwithstanding, there are still many members of the conservative faith who swear by him. He has been married to the same woman for 40 years and has two children, a daughter, who is a teacher, and a son, who is the creator of the RockStar Energy Drink. His wild popularity allows him to make increasingly outrageous statements: Victims of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami deserved the devastation because they were harboring terrorists; Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was trained in a madrassa. One consistent quality of Savage's vitriol is that he spares no one he feels is contributing to the problem. The Republican Party and the Catholic Church, both of which wanted to help illegal aliens, were equally subject to his wrath.
Over and over again, one wonders where Savage's interest lies, why he is so angry and why he seems to take it all so personally. "It really is a mystery. I have no idea what happened to Michael Weiner," says Lawrence Ferlinghetti, whom Savage has gleefully denounced after his Bay Area days as the owner of "that once-famous communist bookstore," City Lights. "We were his friends, and as far as I know, we never did anything to him."
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on May 23, 2008 1:14 AM
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But then Torquemada, the most famous inquisitor, was actually a jew converted to catholicism.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on May 23, 2008 2:36 AM
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He calls liberals traitors, Nazis, scum of the earth - and anything else he thinks he can get away with. He promotes the idea that we are a danger to every decent thing in America - that we are "vermin." We are a threat to children.
What do you do with vermin, pray tell? You kill em - and that is the gist of his message (not-so-subtly between the lines); that we are worthy of death - and only death.
PLEASE listen to his program a couple of times. I defy you to come to any other conclusion. Then contemplate the fact that millions of psychotic fanatics are listening to the same ranting lunatic you are - but they are nodding their heads in agreement as they clean their firearms.
If anything this article was far too easy on Michael (Wiener) Savage - probably because the truth is so incredible it would come off as exaggeration. Wouldn't blame any of you non listeners for thinking I am exaggerating myself - and I'll be surprised if some of his listeners don't show up to defend him and attack me.
No problem - don't take my word for it - just turn on the radio a few times. It will give you nightmares.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 23, 2008 3:25 AM
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Michael Weiner is a textbook self loathing gay. It is as obvious as it is sad - and funny - at the same time.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
THEY'RE SOOOO DUMB!!!
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Posted by: SufiLizard on May 23, 2008 4:21 AM
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It's one thing to have differing opinions, but to dehumanize whole groups of people and promote hatred and violence crosses the line.
I think this is tap root of some of our biggest problems in America today.
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Posted by: lil ole me on May 23, 2008 4:36 AM
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Its kinda like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I keep waiting for him derail.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 23, 2008 4:51 AM
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As a child, before I knew what a faggot was they were calling me that. Actually I kind of like everyone or hate ‘em equally depending on how they treat me. Sex is not out of the question, but must be weighed out by the other person as I won’t force myself on anyone; unlike these bored clit lickers who simply must make life miserable for all of us. These men hide behind their radiostations and little barristers pitching rocks and arrows at everyone with impugnity.
I cannot watch or listen to them because it makes me want to physically kick their ass bloody. My language skills poor as they are already become worse, all I can see is red and I go for my spike enhanced Louisville Slugger. Michael you will THINK savage if I catch you on the street you cowardly piece of shit! This 62-year-old pansy will kick your ass bloody you got that? There is too little time on this earth for people already without haveing to suffer the likes of you.
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Posted by: ot on May 23, 2008 4:55 AM
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Liberals congratulate themselves on promoting Free speech. But on inspection it comes in the base form of being free to swear on the public airwaves or pandering with crude sexual content as so-called shock jock Howard Stern is so famous for.
Yes, this is liberal Free speech.
But when it comes to open expression of opinions and values contrary to liberal opinions and values, well, that is Hate.
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Posted by: WaldoMaui on May 23, 2008 5:07 AM
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What I can say is that the description of the person portrayed in this article is interchangeable with the textbook definition of self-hatred.
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Posted by: Phred42 on May 23, 2008 5:26 AM
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The Savage Weiner is twisted up inside and uses the public airwaves to vent.
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Posted by: Blammo on May 23, 2008 5:28 AM
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Americas most abundant un_natural resource.
Arrogance.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on May 23, 2008 6:00 AM
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In fact...Limbaugh is fairly upbeat and positive.
Just because you don't agree with his message....doesn't mean he's spewing hatred. I've heard much worse from Stephanie Miller....much worse. Her show is very childish.
Personally.....I think the best thing on radio...when it comes to current events and politics.....is NPR's "On Point" with Tom Ashbrook. He's outstanding.
Just my two cents.
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Posted by: smadaj on May 23, 2008 6:26 AM
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Posted by: EinMD on May 23, 2008 6:33 AM
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Or this is all an act because he knows people are buying into it.
But overall the bottom line is as long as people are listening to jackasses like this they aren't going away any time soon.
What amuses me though is how people like Savage and Coulter talk about the liberal left as being frothing maniacs and they they behave like they do. Projection, pure and simple.
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Posted by: smadaj on May 23, 2008 6:36 AM
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on May 23, 2008 7:10 AM
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Severin openly calls for nuking countries around the world, calls liberals nazis/fascist/traitors.
All the wingnut radio hosts are the same.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 23, 2008 7:16 AM
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 23, 2008 7:29 AM
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If you don't like it, change the flipping station. You don't see no one going moonbatty over MSNBC? What about Randi Rhodes, she got taking out by the Clintons and Company. So you can bitch and moan however how many of you really listen to the radio? When I'm out, I have my IPOD in my ear and New York Post/Boston Herald in hand.
Some people wonder why I drag my peanut brain right wing self into the AlterNet... That whole free speech, debate discussion and the pure amusement of articles like this.
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Posted by: reinaldok on May 23, 2008 7:48 AM
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Posted by: 7 Levels on May 23, 2008 8:20 AM
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O'Reily is a pervert.
Dick Morris and Michael Savage are self-hating closeted homosexuals.
Hannity has mommy issues.
They have to ACT tough and be such scumbags in order to hide their own insecurities and problems. It's kind of sad.
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Posted by: helenwheels on May 23, 2008 8:57 AM
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Who else have been referred to as "vermin"? Remember Hitler? Guess how they got the word out to the Germans that they should start hating the Jews? Radio.
Remember Rwanda? Here's only ONE interesting example, in the form of a confession, from a 'hate radio' person:
The Rwandan radio journalist charged with inciting mass killings during the 1994 genocide says she is ready to beg forgiveness from the Rwandan people.
Valerie Bemeriki, a former employee of the independent Radio Mille Collines, was arrested in north-western Rwanda late last week.
She faces prosecution for genocide and crimes against humanity, relating to radio broadcasts in which she allegedly encouraged the slaughter of Tutsis and of Hutus who were sympathetic to the Tutsi cause.
"I recognise what I have done and the sins I have committed, but what I did, I did under pressure from my bosses," Ms Bemeriki told journalists in Kigali.
"I am ready to ask for forgiveness from the Rwandan people, because I know well that I have committed grave errors."
"But there are some things which I did not do, so I will have to explain myself," Ms Bemeriki added.
Radio Mille Collines was launched in 1993, backed by family members of the Hutu President Juvenal Habyarimana - whose death in a plane crash triggered the genocide.
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
Why don't we learn from history? Behind every recent genocide is a call to arms via radio and the voices of hate that spew anger-instilling propaganda at whatever victims they so choose.
Notice the disturbing new trend, ala Michelle Malkin and her like of even going to the extent of publishing liberals' emails, home addresses and phone numbers online in hopes that one of their more thuggish followers might just do something to them? She did this after a college protest she didn't agree with.
THese people MEAN BUSINESS. You can't "just ignore" them. They have power because they attract people who embrace violence.
Does it matter that Wiener is a self-hating gay (and I truly believe he is)? What should matter is that the man obviously wants liberals DEAD, and someday, somewhere, a liberal is going to pay for Wiener's hate speech.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2008 9:22 AM
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Then one day he began playing a theme song that mocked homeless people, most of whom are mentally ill. It made me realize what a sicko Lush was -- as are the other rightwing shock jocks.
Their radio shows serve only one useful purpose in society: keeping sleepy highway drivers awake after midnight.
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Posted by: ThePublicRecord on May 23, 2008 9:45 AM
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Rove Protégé May Dig for Dirt on Obama
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[Tim Griffin] Timothy Griffin, a central figure in the U.S. Attorney scandal and a protégé of Republican political guru Karl Rove, reportedly has been hired to dig up dirt on likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.
FirstRead, a political Web site of NBC News, cited a Republican source as confirming that Griffin was being brought onboard by the Republican National Committee to handle opposition research on Obama.
Griffin hung up on me when I contacted him at his home and asked him to comment about the report. An RNC aide told me he could neither “confirm nor deny the report.”
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Posted by: soowee on May 23, 2008 11:17 AM
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The more paw-wringing agony "liberals" make over these twits the better they like it. Who gives a damn what the shock jocks say and why bother?
Just ignore those jerks. PLEASE! They are all mere entertainers playing to their Usual Suspects.
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Posted by: EncinoM on May 23, 2008 11:30 AM
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Is an amendment worthless or of less value because it gives cover to someone who says something you find hurtful.
The free speech amendment is the most important one and one right not to be discarded so willingly. Let the idiots speak, it is only words. Silence them and you risk your own forced silence.
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Posted by: foreverhope on May 23, 2008 12:52 PM
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Did you hear what Joe Scarborough said on MSNBC's Morning Joe?
"I would guarantee you, guarantee you, that while a lot of people in Manhattan and Georgetown and on college campuses are worried about what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war, Americans are concerned about what's happening now."
Got that? If you are "worried about what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war," then according to Joe Scarborough you are not an American.
Here's the link - watch for yourself:
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Then sign our petition to MSNBC to fire Joe Scarborough:
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Bush's invasion of Iraq has killed nearly 4,000 young Americans and more than 1 million Iraqi civilians. It has maimed, terrorized and displaced millions more. It has cost $500 billion in future taxes and $3 trillion in total economic costs in the first five years alone. It has broken our military through extended deployments and recruiting abuses. And it has destroyed America's reputation in the world.
In other words, it was the worst foreign policy disaster in American history - and a war crime of historic proportions.
Polls show 60% of Americans believe the invasion was a "mistake."
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But that's way too polite - most of us believe it was a disaster for which Bush and Cheney should be held accountable through impeachment now, followed by indictment and prison after they leave office.
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And you'd better believe we're Americans, Joe.
It's Americans who are fighting and dying in Iraq, or returning home physically or mentally maimed. It's Americans who are paying the financial costs of the war through higher taxes and higher gasoline prices due to the Middle East turmoil that Bush unleashed. (Gas prices dropped to $1.10 per gallon after 9/11, but rose to $1.75 after Bush invaded Iraq, kept climbing to a record $3.18 now, and will hit $4 in the spring, even if George Bush doesn't know - or doesn't care.)
The invasion of Iraq was based entirely on lies - lies about non-existent Iraqi WMD's and lies about non-existent Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda. Those lies were entirely deliberate, as we learned from the Downing Street Memos:
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But in the months before Bush invaded Iraq, all the TV networks - led by MSNBC and NBC - broadcast nothing but lies.
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MSNBC actually fired the only host who dared to allow war critics to appear - Phil Donohue. And who did they replace Donohue with? You got it - Joe Scarborough, a former rightwing Republican Congressman who totally supported the invasion.
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Joe Scarborough owes his TV career to NBC's pre-war lies, so it's no wonder that Scarborough doesn't want to talk about "what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war."
But Americans do - and that's why Joe Scarborough should be fired.
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Posted by: Paul1939 on May 23, 2008 1:46 PM
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I am a life-long liberal Democrat who has never voted for a Republican and who is routinely called a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe, a nativist, and a hater of brown people for no reason other than I state my belief that amnesty for illegal aliens would be a huge and disastrous mistake for US citizens and their descendants. Just look at the articles AlterNet posts on this blog; they constantly refer to anyone opposed to amnesty as right-wing bad people (fill in the epithet from above). It seems one cannot have reasoned opinions against amnesty that is absent any of the bad people epithets. As some have mentioned, hate speech is designed to shut people up and reduce opposition to a policy or regime. In the case of conservatives, it is to shut up those who might speak out against the excesses of the Bush regime and the Republican Party. In the case of liberals/progressives, it is to shut up those Democrats who oppose the amnesty of unknown millions of illegal aliens, and who are seen as obstacles to the grand coalition Democratic Party leaders have struck with Hispanic interest groups and the Catholic Church to gain their support in the 2008 election in exchange for legalizing the unknown (12-20+) million illegal aliens.
As I said before, I'm a life-long liberal Democrat, but I'm not a fool. I also have an open mind on this issue and will switch sides when people who support illegal aliens can:
1. Think of any problem the US faces whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way, aided, assisted, or advanced, by illegalizing 12-20+ million illegal aliens--at the local level, the state level, or the national level?
2. Demonstrate that the 12-20+ million illegal aliens who have flooded our country have neither directly caused nor exacerbated the following problems we face today: overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crime, diminishing resources like oil, diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economy, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax evasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyalty to other nations, the overall decline in our quality of life.
Educate yourself:
Visit NumbersUSA.org and view their video “Immigration by the Numbers”.
Visit Google Videos and view video (Bartlett.wmv), “Arithmetic, Population and Energy.” by Professor Albert Bartlett.
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Posted by: Floresta on May 23, 2008 5:45 PM
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So, yeah, liberal folks, check it out, as I believe it's important to know what the "other side" is listening to and reacting to and what they just might act out...
BTW, free speach is Very important to me as well!
All of this shite about 'illegal' people is smoke and mirrors; when things are a big mess, like they are here in the ole' USA at presnt, it comes at no great surprize that creeps like Savage Weiner and his ilk point to the created, demonized "other" and blame them for all of our ills. Farce, lies and criminal BS.
Check out Pinky's response to the so-called question of "illegals" on YouTube.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 23, 2008 6:49 PM
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As far as I can see, we could
1)Go down the road of balancing out the crude,simplistic right,by having a good few lefties using a similar style..the downside is that the right has more access to commercial stations,who have their own bias ..this is compounded ,by the fact that advertisers could hold a station to ransom,if say, a leftwinger came on denouncing the Iraq war in the days when it was popular.
2)Ignore them,and don't play their games.. the problem,with this approach is,that we allow the right total domination of the airwaves..and lose the tiny,little bit of it we have now.The right wing jocks,can influence a lot of people.Their reasoning is crude ,but those simplicities are powerful,particularly if their is little counter argument,from those who respond,to the jock's and their bar-room polemics.
Of course, sometimes jocks may ,go to an extreme ,and adopt positions on issues,that are most likely to spark controversy.This exaggeration,or performance,makes a name for the shocking jock.Also,bile,nastiness and controversy gets the ratings up.
I think this is a factor sometimes,but not the major one..and i'm sure that most of the time of rabid right wing jocks,are rabid right wing people.
Real or not though,crude propaganda,that plays to people's insecurities and prejudices is very powerful..and I would say,harmful.For instance,in the UK ,there is evidence,that everytime a politician makes a racist speech,racist attacks actually increase.
If anyone has any alternatives,to the above choices though,i'd be interested in hearing them.
On the whole I would say that leftwingers/humanists etc ,to make ourselves heard.If you can get through,to a few people,it is better than none.
Leftwingers,need to be more cohesive and pro-active here though.I meet people in the UK,who blindly follow the right wing newspaper line.They are shocked,when you let a few facts slip out,and make a few revelations...
..So why did Margaret Thatcher,help Saddam make his chemical weapons plant in 1985? or
Republican hero Olly North,was involved in selling arms to Iran..yknow Iran,of 'axis of evil" fame..
People don't get that sort of opinion,news,or perspective,from a Murdoch propaganda rag.
Lastly here..to those who beleive that liberals spout Marxist argument,I would say go and read some books,and tighten up on some of your definitions.
The two ideologies are very far apart..politically and philosophically.
liberalism tends towards,individual rights,and challenges discrimaination ,and generally tries to soften the iniquities of the market.Liberals tend to go by the idea that individuals and groups should be at,liberty to follow any activity,that doesn't hurt anyone ..a "live and let live" credo.Liberalism does not want to replace the market..more to regulate it.
Marxism is based on a class analysis,of capitalism ,and sees that it must be completely replaced,in order for human advancement.Poverty,war,weapons of mass destruction,denial of human rights,women's oppression etc,are for mainstream Marxists,the result of capitalist greed and ruling class domination.
I know that is a very crude,summation of both sets of beleifs,but I can't sum up Das Kapital,with so few words.
I think someone must be coming from, a fairly confused rightwing perspective,to confuse say John Stuart Mill,with Antonio Gramsci.
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Posted by: ih2005 on May 23, 2008 7:24 PM
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Dishonest Leftists rail against "fascist right-wing wacko's," until they they get their turn at imposing censorship and fascism (good example spelled out in Ben Stein's movie, EXPELLED).
Okay, sometimes Savage gets emotional. But, while Fox News, and every other (correctly stated) "media whore," was praising the state of Texas for invading those who were going about their religious business, it was Savage who was attacking Texas for violating the Constitutional Rights of American citizens.
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Posted by: bettyn on May 23, 2008 8:19 PM
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The Republicans these days sure do seem to have a lot of Roy Cohn wannabes in their midst. I think Truman Capote once referred to them as "Killer Fruit". An apt description of these sorry critters by a man who was gay with NO apologies to anyone.
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I hope goes away, or starts sleeping with men again. Do use a favor.
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Posted by: postconsumer-consumer on May 24, 2008 5:54 AM
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"Anything for a buck"
People will do anything for a buck, kill, fuck babies, lie, steal, torture, you name it. That's what's really sick about it. I don't think this guy really believes everything he says, he just does it for the money. It's his shtick.
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I had the pleasure of calling his advertisers and playing them one of his rants on Islam. Every one of them pulled their support of his program. More power to the people can do it. Even so, he is still on the air. Getting a paycheck from god know who. Good article!
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on May 23, 2008 1:14 AM
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But then Torquemada, the most famous inquisitor, was actually a jew converted to catholicism.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on May 23, 2008 2:36 AM
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He calls liberals traitors, Nazis, scum of the earth - and anything else he thinks he can get away with. He promotes the idea that we are a danger to every decent thing in America - that we are "vermin." We are a threat to children.
What do you do with vermin, pray tell? You kill em - and that is the gist of his message (not-so-subtly between the lines); that we are worthy of death - and only death.
PLEASE listen to his program a couple of times. I defy you to come to any other conclusion. Then contemplate the fact that millions of psychotic fanatics are listening to the same ranting lunatic you are - but they are nodding their heads in agreement as they clean their firearms.
If anything this article was far too easy on Michael (Wiener) Savage - probably because the truth is so incredible it would come off as exaggeration. Wouldn't blame any of you non listeners for thinking I am exaggerating myself - and I'll be surprised if some of his listeners don't show up to defend him and attack me.
No problem - don't take my word for it - just turn on the radio a few times. It will give you nightmares.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 23, 2008 3:25 AM
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Michael Weiner is a textbook self loathing gay. It is as obvious as it is sad - and funny - at the same time.
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It's one thing to have differing opinions, but to dehumanize whole groups of people and promote hatred and violence crosses the line.
I think this is tap root of some of our biggest problems in America today.
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Posted by: lil ole me on May 23, 2008 4:36 AM
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Its kinda like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I keep waiting for him derail.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on May 23, 2008 4:51 AM
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As a child, before I knew what a faggot was they were calling me that. Actually I kind of like everyone or hate ‘em equally depending on how they treat me. Sex is not out of the question, but must be weighed out by the other person as I won’t force myself on anyone; unlike these bored clit lickers who simply must make life miserable for all of us. These men hide behind their radiostations and little barristers pitching rocks and arrows at everyone with impugnity.
I cannot watch or listen to them because it makes me want to physically kick their ass bloody. My language skills poor as they are already become worse, all I can see is red and I go for my spike enhanced Louisville Slugger. Michael you will THINK savage if I catch you on the street you cowardly piece of shit! This 62-year-old pansy will kick your ass bloody you got that? There is too little time on this earth for people already without haveing to suffer the likes of you.
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Posted by: ot on May 23, 2008 4:55 AM
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Liberals congratulate themselves on promoting Free speech. But on inspection it comes in the base form of being free to swear on the public airwaves or pandering with crude sexual content as so-called shock jock Howard Stern is so famous for.
Yes, this is liberal Free speech.
But when it comes to open expression of opinions and values contrary to liberal opinions and values, well, that is Hate.
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Posted by: WaldoMaui on May 23, 2008 5:07 AM
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What I can say is that the description of the person portrayed in this article is interchangeable with the textbook definition of self-hatred.
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Posted by: Phred42 on May 23, 2008 5:26 AM
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The Savage Weiner is twisted up inside and uses the public airwaves to vent.
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Posted by: Blammo on May 23, 2008 5:28 AM
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Americas most abundant un_natural resource.
Arrogance.
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on May 23, 2008 6:00 AM
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In fact...Limbaugh is fairly upbeat and positive.
Just because you don't agree with his message....doesn't mean he's spewing hatred. I've heard much worse from Stephanie Miller....much worse. Her show is very childish.
Personally.....I think the best thing on radio...when it comes to current events and politics.....is NPR's "On Point" with Tom Ashbrook. He's outstanding.
Just my two cents.
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Posted by: EinMD on May 23, 2008 6:33 AM
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Or this is all an act because he knows people are buying into it.
But overall the bottom line is as long as people are listening to jackasses like this they aren't going away any time soon.
What amuses me though is how people like Savage and Coulter talk about the liberal left as being frothing maniacs and they they behave like they do. Projection, pure and simple.
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on May 23, 2008 7:10 AM
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Severin openly calls for nuking countries around the world, calls liberals nazis/fascist/traitors.
All the wingnut radio hosts are the same.
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 23, 2008 7:29 AM
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If you don't like it, change the flipping station. You don't see no one going moonbatty over MSNBC? What about Randi Rhodes, she got taking out by the Clintons and Company. So you can bitch and moan however how many of you really listen to the radio? When I'm out, I have my IPOD in my ear and New York Post/Boston Herald in hand.
Some people wonder why I drag my peanut brain right wing self into the AlterNet... That whole free speech, debate discussion and the pure amusement of articles like this.
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Posted by: 7 Levels on May 23, 2008 8:20 AM
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O'Reily is a pervert.
Dick Morris and Michael Savage are self-hating closeted homosexuals.
Hannity has mommy issues.
They have to ACT tough and be such scumbags in order to hide their own insecurities and problems. It's kind of sad.
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Posted by: helenwheels on May 23, 2008 8:57 AM
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Who else have been referred to as "vermin"? Remember Hitler? Guess how they got the word out to the Germans that they should start hating the Jews? Radio.
Remember Rwanda? Here's only ONE interesting example, in the form of a confession, from a 'hate radio' person:
The Rwandan radio journalist charged with inciting mass killings during the 1994 genocide says she is ready to beg forgiveness from the Rwandan people.
Valerie Bemeriki, a former employee of the independent Radio Mille Collines, was arrested in north-western Rwanda late last week.
She faces prosecution for genocide and crimes against humanity, relating to radio broadcasts in which she allegedly encouraged the slaughter of Tutsis and of Hutus who were sympathetic to the Tutsi cause.
"I recognise what I have done and the sins I have committed, but what I did, I did under pressure from my bosses," Ms Bemeriki told journalists in Kigali.
"I am ready to ask for forgiveness from the Rwandan people, because I know well that I have committed grave errors."
"But there are some things which I did not do, so I will have to explain myself," Ms Bemeriki added.
Radio Mille Collines was launched in 1993, backed by family members of the Hutu President Juvenal Habyarimana - whose death in a plane crash triggered the genocide.
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
Why don't we learn from history? Behind every recent genocide is a call to arms via radio and the voices of hate that spew anger-instilling propaganda at whatever victims they so choose.
Notice the disturbing new trend, ala Michelle Malkin and her like of even going to the extent of publishing liberals' emails, home addresses and phone numbers online in hopes that one of their more thuggish followers might just do something to them? She did this after a college protest she didn't agree with.
THese people MEAN BUSINESS. You can't "just ignore" them. They have power because they attract people who embrace violence.
Does it matter that Wiener is a self-hating gay (and I truly believe he is)? What should matter is that the man obviously wants liberals DEAD, and someday, somewhere, a liberal is going to pay for Wiener's hate speech.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 23, 2008 9:22 AM
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Then one day he began playing a theme song that mocked homeless people, most of whom are mentally ill. It made me realize what a sicko Lush was -- as are the other rightwing shock jocks.
Their radio shows serve only one useful purpose in society: keeping sleepy highway drivers awake after midnight.
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Rove Protégé May Dig for Dirt on Obama
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[Tim Griffin] Timothy Griffin, a central figure in the U.S. Attorney scandal and a protégé of Republican political guru Karl Rove, reportedly has been hired to dig up dirt on likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.
FirstRead, a political Web site of NBC News, cited a Republican source as confirming that Griffin was being brought onboard by the Republican National Committee to handle opposition research on Obama.
Griffin hung up on me when I contacted him at his home and asked him to comment about the report. An RNC aide told me he could neither “confirm nor deny the report.”
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The more paw-wringing agony "liberals" make over these twits the better they like it. Who gives a damn what the shock jocks say and why bother?
Just ignore those jerks. PLEASE! They are all mere entertainers playing to their Usual Suspects.
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Is an amendment worthless or of less value because it gives cover to someone who says something you find hurtful.
The free speech amendment is the most important one and one right not to be discarded so willingly. Let the idiots speak, it is only words. Silence them and you risk your own forced silence.
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Posted by: foreverhope on May 23, 2008 12:52 PM
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Did you hear what Joe Scarborough said on MSNBC's Morning Joe?
"I would guarantee you, guarantee you, that while a lot of people in Manhattan and Georgetown and on college campuses are worried about what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war, Americans are concerned about what's happening now."
Got that? If you are "worried about what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war," then according to Joe Scarborough you are not an American.
Here's the link - watch for yourself:
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Then sign our petition to MSNBC to fire Joe Scarborough:
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Bush's invasion of Iraq has killed nearly 4,000 young Americans and more than 1 million Iraqi civilians. It has maimed, terrorized and displaced millions more. It has cost $500 billion in future taxes and $3 trillion in total economic costs in the first five years alone. It has broken our military through extended deployments and recruiting abuses. And it has destroyed America's reputation in the world.
In other words, it was the worst foreign policy disaster in American history - and a war crime of historic proportions.
Polls show 60% of Americans believe the invasion was a "mistake."
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But that's way too polite - most of us believe it was a disaster for which Bush and Cheney should be held accountable through impeachment now, followed by indictment and prison after they leave office.
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And you'd better believe we're Americans, Joe.
It's Americans who are fighting and dying in Iraq, or returning home physically or mentally maimed. It's Americans who are paying the financial costs of the war through higher taxes and higher gasoline prices due to the Middle East turmoil that Bush unleashed. (Gas prices dropped to $1.10 per gallon after 9/11, but rose to $1.75 after Bush invaded Iraq, kept climbing to a record $3.18 now, and will hit $4 in the spring, even if George Bush doesn't know - or doesn't care.)
The invasion of Iraq was based entirely on lies - lies about non-existent Iraqi WMD's and lies about non-existent Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda. Those lies were entirely deliberate, as we learned from the Downing Street Memos:
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But in the months before Bush invaded Iraq, all the TV networks - led by MSNBC and NBC - broadcast nothing but lies.
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MSNBC actually fired the only host who dared to allow war critics to appear - Phil Donohue. And who did they replace Donohue with? You got it - Joe Scarborough, a former rightwing Republican Congressman who totally supported the invasion.
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Joe Scarborough owes his TV career to NBC's pre-war lies, so it's no wonder that Scarborough doesn't want to talk about "what happened in 2002 and the lead up to the war."
But Americans do - and that's why Joe Scarborough should be fired.
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Posted by: Paul1939 on May 23, 2008 1:46 PM
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I am a life-long liberal Democrat who has never voted for a Republican and who is routinely called a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe, a nativist, and a hater of brown people for no reason other than I state my belief that amnesty for illegal aliens would be a huge and disastrous mistake for US citizens and their descendants. Just look at the articles AlterNet posts on this blog; they constantly refer to anyone opposed to amnesty as right-wing bad people (fill in the epithet from above). It seems one cannot have reasoned opinions against amnesty that is absent any of the bad people epithets. As some have mentioned, hate speech is designed to shut people up and reduce opposition to a policy or regime. In the case of conservatives, it is to shut up those who might speak out against the excesses of the Bush regime and the Republican Party. In the case of liberals/progressives, it is to shut up those Democrats who oppose the amnesty of unknown millions of illegal aliens, and who are seen as obstacles to the grand coalition Democratic Party leaders have struck with Hispanic interest groups and the Catholic Church to gain their support in the 2008 election in exchange for legalizing the unknown (12-20+) million illegal aliens.
As I said before, I'm a life-long liberal Democrat, but I'm not a fool. I also have an open mind on this issue and will switch sides when people who support illegal aliens can:
1. Think of any problem the US faces whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way, aided, assisted, or advanced, by illegalizing 12-20+ million illegal aliens--at the local level, the state level, or the national level?
2. Demonstrate that the 12-20+ million illegal aliens who have flooded our country have neither directly caused nor exacerbated the following problems we face today: overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crime, diminishing resources like oil, diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economy, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax evasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyalty to other nations, the overall decline in our quality of life.
Educate yourself:
Visit NumbersUSA.org and view their video “Immigration by the Numbers”.
Visit Google Videos and view video (Bartlett.wmv), “Arithmetic, Population and Energy.” by Professor Albert Bartlett.
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Posted by: Floresta on May 23, 2008 5:45 PM
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So, yeah, liberal folks, check it out, as I believe it's important to know what the "other side" is listening to and reacting to and what they just might act out...
BTW, free speach is Very important to me as well!
All of this shite about 'illegal' people is smoke and mirrors; when things are a big mess, like they are here in the ole' USA at presnt, it comes at no great surprize that creeps like Savage Weiner and his ilk point to the created, demonized "other" and blame them for all of our ills. Farce, lies and criminal BS.
Check out Pinky's response to the so-called question of "illegals" on YouTube.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 23, 2008 6:49 PM
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As far as I can see, we could
1)Go down the road of balancing out the crude,simplistic right,by having a good few lefties using a similar style..the downside is that the right has more access to commercial stations,who have their own bias ..this is compounded ,by the fact that advertisers could hold a station to ransom,if say, a leftwinger came on denouncing the Iraq war in the days when it was popular.
2)Ignore them,and don't play their games.. the problem,with this approach is,that we allow the right total domination of the airwaves..and lose the tiny,little bit of it we have now.The right wing jocks,can influence a lot of people.Their reasoning is crude ,but those simplicities are powerful,particularly if their is little counter argument,from those who respond,to the jock's and their bar-room polemics.
Of course, sometimes jocks may ,go to an extreme ,and adopt positions on issues,that are most likely to spark controversy.This exaggeration,or performance,makes a name for the shocking jock.Also,bile,nastiness and controversy gets the ratings up.
I think this is a factor sometimes,but not the major one..and i'm sure that most of the time of rabid right wing jocks,are rabid right wing people.
Real or not though,crude propaganda,that plays to people's insecurities and prejudices is very powerful..and I would say,harmful.For instance,in the UK ,there is evidence,that everytime a politician makes a racist speech,racist attacks actually increase.
If anyone has any alternatives,to the above choices though,i'd be interested in hearing them.
On the whole I would say that leftwingers/humanists etc ,to make ourselves heard.If you can get through,to a few people,it is better than none.
Leftwingers,need to be more cohesive and pro-active here though.I meet people in the UK,who blindly follow the right wing newspaper line.They are shocked,when you let a few facts slip out,and make a few revelations...
..So why did Margaret Thatcher,help Saddam make his chemical weapons plant in 1985? or
Republican hero Olly North,was involved in selling arms to Iran..yknow Iran,of 'axis of evil" fame..
People don't get that sort of opinion,news,or perspective,from a Murdoch propaganda rag.
Lastly here..to those who beleive that liberals spout Marxist argument,I would say go and read some books,and tighten up on some of your definitions.
The two ideologies are very far apart..politically and philosophically.
liberalism tends towards,individual rights,and challenges discrimaination ,and generally tries to soften the iniquities of the market.Liberals tend to go by the idea that individuals and groups should be at,liberty to follow any activity,that doesn't hurt anyone ..a "live and let live" credo.Liberalism does not want to replace the market..more to regulate it.
Marxism is based on a class analysis,of capitalism ,and sees that it must be completely replaced,in order for human advancement.Poverty,war,weapons of mass destruction,denial of human rights,women's oppression etc,are for mainstream Marxists,the result of capitalist greed and ruling class domination.
I know that is a very crude,summation of both sets of beleifs,but I can't sum up Das Kapital,with so few words.
I think someone must be coming from, a fairly confused rightwing perspective,to confuse say John Stuart Mill,with Antonio Gramsci.
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Dishonest Leftists rail against "fascist right-wing wacko's," until they they get their turn at imposing censorship and fascism (good example spelled out in Ben Stein's movie, EXPELLED).
Okay, sometimes Savage gets emotional. But, while Fox News, and every other (correctly stated) "media whore," was praising the state of Texas for invading those who were going about their religious business, it was Savage who was attacking Texas for violating the Constitutional Rights of American citizens.
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The Republicans these days sure do seem to have a lot of Roy Cohn wannabes in their midst. I think Truman Capote once referred to them as "Killer Fruit". An apt description of these sorry critters by a man who was gay with NO apologies to anyone.
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I hope goes away, or starts sleeping with men again. Do use a favor.
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"Anything for a buck"
People will do anything for a buck, kill, fuck babies, lie, steal, torture, you name it. That's what's really sick about it. I don't think this guy really believes everything he says, he just does it for the money. It's his shtick.
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I had the pleasure of calling his advertisers and playing them one of his rants on Islam. Every one of them pulled their support of his program. More power to the people can do it. Even so, he is still on the air. Getting a paycheck from god know who. Good article!
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