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Who's Afraid of Grand Theft Auto?
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GTA, made by edgy Rockstar Games, is basically a driving game franchise packed inside an intriguing, disturbing, elaborate urban world where you become a character whose life options are all connected to the ability to drive around in various cities. Usually you're some kind of bad guy or shady character. Think of it as the video game equivalent of a TV show like The Wire or an urban gangster flick. What has made GTA so popular among gamers is the way it combines the fun of a driving game with the sprawling possibilities of gamer choice. And I think that's what nongamers find so confusing -- and therefore threatening -- about it.
When you jump into a car in GTA, you aren't rated on your driving skill. You don't have to stay on a predetermined track. Sure, you have to complete a mission, but you can choose to just drive around insanely, exploring the big worlds of the GTA games, beating up cops and murdering people at random if you want. You can take drugs and get superspeedy or ram a truck into a building.
GTA4 is set inside an alternate version of New York City and takes the player even further into a world of narrative choices. You play a character named Niko, a Serbian war vet who comes to Liberty City to get revenge -- or to make peace with his past. Along with several other characters, he's just trying to get by in a huge city, but gets sucked into a world of crime and murder along the way. As you get deeper into the game, you realize that your interactions with characters are just as important as running your car missions. You can't get anywhere without making friends, connections, and plunging deeper into Niko's troubled past.
If GTA4 were a movie, it would have been directed by Martin Scorsese or David O. Russell, and we'd all be ooohing and aaahhing over its dark, ironic vision of immigrant life in a world at war with itself. But because Liberty City is a video game, where players are in the driver's seat, so to speak, it freaks people out. Earlier installments of GTA inspired feminist and cultural-conservative outrage (you have the option to kill prostitutes!), and concern over moral turpitude from Hillary Clinton (you can beat cops to death! Or anybody!).
And yet there are other video games out there, like the family-friendly role-playing game The Sims, where players can torture people to death in ways far more disturbing than those in GTA. I was just talking to a friend who told me gleefully how he'd taken one of his Sims characters, stuck him in a VR headset, and walled him into a room that only contained an espresso machine. The character kept drinking coffee and playing the headset, pissing in the corners of the room and crying until he died. Other players have reported that you can stick a bunch of characters in the swimming pool, remove the ladder, and drown them. Then you can decorate your yard with their tombstones. That's not the point of the game, but people can do it.
The reason these horrible things can happen in The Sims is exactly the same reason they happen in GTA: these are cutting-edge video games defined by player freedom rather than locking the player into a prescribed narrative loop where veering off the racetrack means "lose" rather than "find a new adventure." When you give players the option to explore their fantasies, you're going to get some dark stuff. Yes, it's disturbing. But it's also the foundation of great art.
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Posted by: GOrillag on May 9, 2008 3:01 PM
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 9, 2008 8:13 PM
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17 years is close enough to adult age that the difference is irrelevant.
The only "children" playing this game are:
1. 17 year olds
2. Younger kids with irresponsible parents
I worked at the electronics section of a Wal-mart years ago when I was in community college and I once had a customer ask me for a copy of the latest GTA game. I asked her how old her son was. The answer was 13. I told her some things about the game and the controversy surrounding it due to its nature.
She looked at me like, "shut the hell up you ignorant Wal-mart working trash and give me the game that will keep my kid out of my business for a few hours every night." So I did.
C'est la vie. Parents are the issue and nothing else.
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Posted by: wittler youth on May 10, 2008 2:35 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 10, 2008 10:06 AM
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My gosh, it's a wonder we've survived so long, with so many vices, and so many bored people out there who find enjoyment lecturing others on the ills of this abstract tool called "society".
Nothing in the world wrong with a little escapism, imho. I just can't wait to find out what the next Big Bad Devil is going to be.
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Posted by: Consumer007 on May 11, 2008 8:39 AM
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Now that that's out of the way - why stop with random murders, and drugs?
What's next, a rape game that lets you rape any woman you want and try different weapons on her?
A child molester game that lets you pick em and rape em early and often, and gives you more points if you kill the parents before you kidnap them?
An assassination game where you can target specific politicians by party at their homes, or hold their families and children hostage?
A bioplague game that lets you experiment around with plague and e-bola and gives you more points the more people you kill?
I am SO tired of these sick twisted a-holes making money by making the worst possible behavior and basest instincts popular and glamorized. There is also something further very wrong with our culture for rewarding them. I don't care how cool anyone finds the game once they are in it...that is rationalizing and saying it doesn't matter because it's fun. Murder is fun. Rape is cool. Assassination is awesome. Incest is inviolate.
Why can't we have a peace corps video game, a build bridges video game? A save the environment video game? A kill the corporation video game?
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Posted by: TerryS on May 11, 2008 12:42 PM
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"...why stop with random murders, and drugs?
What's next, a rape game that lets you rape
any woman you want and try different weapons
on her?..."
"I am SO tired of these sick twisted a-holes
making money by making the worst possible
behavior and basest instincts popular and
glamorized. There is also something further
very wrong with our culture for rewarding
them. I don't care how cool anyone finds
the game once they are in it...that is
rationalizing and saying it doesn't matter
because it's fun. Murder is fun. Rape is cool.
Assassination is awesome. Incest is inviolate."
Exactly right !
This is just like the situation with 24.
The pro-torture TV show 24 was lauded by
both the right and the left as a brilliant
reflection of the dilemma's of today.
In other words it was given the Great Art
defense.
Critics of the show were condemned as
a bunch of pro-censor moralists, too
idiotic to appreciate the brilliance of
a show that was Great Art.
Once it came out (partly thanks to Alternet!)
that 24 really was very effectively promoting
torture, there was an attitude chance.
Few liberals then condemned the show for being
pro-torture, instead it was condemned as
being boring, no longer brilliant, not longer
Great Art.
The Great Art defense is perfect. A movie,
TV show and/or video game no matter what
evil it promotes and glamorizes can be defended
as Great Art. But if the evil is too much (say
pedophilia) even for a jaded and desensitized
reviewer (and public) it can then be condemned
as not Great Art, and thus condemned.
In other words aesthetic judgments OK, moral
judgments not OK. In fact anyone who makes
a moral judgment hates freedom and is exactly
like the Moral Majority.
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Posted by: earthboundmother on May 12, 2008 6:01 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 12, 2008 9:11 AM
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Posted by: simplisticton on May 15, 2008 3:31 AM
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Like earthboundmother, I'm a gamer and a dad. My kids' total exposure to GTA was seeing the package. My 3 year old asked if he could watch me "fly the helicopter", and I told him -- "sure! In twelve or thirteen years."
The game is rated 17+ for a reason: there *is* drug use, violence, and foul language, but no more than in Goodfellas, Saving Private Ryan, or heck, even Transformers. Whether the medium is a video game, a film, or a TV show makes no difference. It's up to the parents to parent. But what I do to unwind after my kids are in bed -- whether it's watch an R-rated movie or play a 17+-rated video game, is my business.
There are plenty of games I can play with my kids to bond with them, quite a few of which are even educational as well as entertaining. All the 3rd gen video game consoles have built-in "parental controls" that can prevent 17+-rated games from being played without a password. Any parent who doesn't avail themselves of the technology available isn't doing their job.
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Posted by: niaiserie on May 22, 2008 3:08 PM
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The anti-hero has been a narrative fixture as far back as we have recorded narratives. Ever heard of Achilles or Oedipus? I suppose these are noble fictional heroes who have earned your admiration and respect, and you're more than fine with the murders and atrocities they committed in their respective stories. And if you really want to find some senseless violence you need to look no further than the bible... I suggest you start with the book of Job. But maybe God drowning the entire human population except for a chosen few is the stuff of inspirational sermons and Abraham taking his son up to the top of that mountain where he was fully prepared to slit him open like a goat is just good old fashion family values. It's true that you shouldn't let your children play GTA, but then I hope you don't let them read the bible either... no really, I hope you don't let your children read the bible.
Here's the problem: people live their lives and take action based on many of the cruel and misguided principles laid out in the bible. Nobody lives their lives by the unethical and amoral codes of the GTA universe. So maybe all of you who are outraged over the comic violence in GTA need to refocus your energy and attention where it's really needed.
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Posted by: GOrillag on May 9, 2008 3:01 PM
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 9, 2008 8:13 PM
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17 years is close enough to adult age that the difference is irrelevant.
The only "children" playing this game are:
1. 17 year olds
2. Younger kids with irresponsible parents
I worked at the electronics section of a Wal-mart years ago when I was in community college and I once had a customer ask me for a copy of the latest GTA game. I asked her how old her son was. The answer was 13. I told her some things about the game and the controversy surrounding it due to its nature.
She looked at me like, "shut the hell up you ignorant Wal-mart working trash and give me the game that will keep my kid out of my business for a few hours every night." So I did.
C'est la vie. Parents are the issue and nothing else.
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Posted by: wittler youth on May 10, 2008 2:35 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 10, 2008 10:06 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My gosh, it's a wonder we've survived so long, with so many vices, and so many bored people out there who find enjoyment lecturing others on the ills of this abstract tool called "society".
Nothing in the world wrong with a little escapism, imho. I just can't wait to find out what the next Big Bad Devil is going to be.
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Posted by: Consumer007 on May 11, 2008 8:39 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now that that's out of the way - why stop with random murders, and drugs?
What's next, a rape game that lets you rape any woman you want and try different weapons on her?
A child molester game that lets you pick em and rape em early and often, and gives you more points if you kill the parents before you kidnap them?
An assassination game where you can target specific politicians by party at their homes, or hold their families and children hostage?
A bioplague game that lets you experiment around with plague and e-bola and gives you more points the more people you kill?
I am SO tired of these sick twisted a-holes making money by making the worst possible behavior and basest instincts popular and glamorized. There is also something further very wrong with our culture for rewarding them. I don't care how cool anyone finds the game once they are in it...that is rationalizing and saying it doesn't matter because it's fun. Murder is fun. Rape is cool. Assassination is awesome. Incest is inviolate.
Why can't we have a peace corps video game, a build bridges video game? A save the environment video game? A kill the corporation video game?
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Posted by: Father Time
» RE: why stop there?
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Posted by: TerryS on May 11, 2008 12:42 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"...why stop with random murders, and drugs?
What's next, a rape game that lets you rape
any woman you want and try different weapons
on her?..."
"I am SO tired of these sick twisted a-holes
making money by making the worst possible
behavior and basest instincts popular and
glamorized. There is also something further
very wrong with our culture for rewarding
them. I don't care how cool anyone finds
the game once they are in it...that is
rationalizing and saying it doesn't matter
because it's fun. Murder is fun. Rape is cool.
Assassination is awesome. Incest is inviolate."
Exactly right !
This is just like the situation with 24.
The pro-torture TV show 24 was lauded by
both the right and the left as a brilliant
reflection of the dilemma's of today.
In other words it was given the Great Art
defense.
Critics of the show were condemned as
a bunch of pro-censor moralists, too
idiotic to appreciate the brilliance of
a show that was Great Art.
Once it came out (partly thanks to Alternet!)
that 24 really was very effectively promoting
torture, there was an attitude chance.
Few liberals then condemned the show for being
pro-torture, instead it was condemned as
being boring, no longer brilliant, not longer
Great Art.
The Great Art defense is perfect. A movie,
TV show and/or video game no matter what
evil it promotes and glamorizes can be defended
as Great Art. But if the evil is too much (say
pedophilia) even for a jaded and desensitized
reviewer (and public) it can then be condemned
as not Great Art, and thus condemned.
In other words aesthetic judgments OK, moral
judgments not OK. In fact anyone who makes
a moral judgment hates freedom and is exactly
like the Moral Majority.
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Posted by: earthboundmother on May 12, 2008 6:01 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on May 12, 2008 9:11 AM
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Posted by: simplisticton on May 15, 2008 3:31 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Like earthboundmother, I'm a gamer and a dad. My kids' total exposure to GTA was seeing the package. My 3 year old asked if he could watch me "fly the helicopter", and I told him -- "sure! In twelve or thirteen years."
The game is rated 17+ for a reason: there *is* drug use, violence, and foul language, but no more than in Goodfellas, Saving Private Ryan, or heck, even Transformers. Whether the medium is a video game, a film, or a TV show makes no difference. It's up to the parents to parent. But what I do to unwind after my kids are in bed -- whether it's watch an R-rated movie or play a 17+-rated video game, is my business.
There are plenty of games I can play with my kids to bond with them, quite a few of which are even educational as well as entertaining. All the 3rd gen video game consoles have built-in "parental controls" that can prevent 17+-rated games from being played without a password. Any parent who doesn't avail themselves of the technology available isn't doing their job.
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Posted by: niaiserie on May 22, 2008 3:08 PM
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The anti-hero has been a narrative fixture as far back as we have recorded narratives. Ever heard of Achilles or Oedipus? I suppose these are noble fictional heroes who have earned your admiration and respect, and you're more than fine with the murders and atrocities they committed in their respective stories. And if you really want to find some senseless violence you need to look no further than the bible... I suggest you start with the book of Job. But maybe God drowning the entire human population except for a chosen few is the stuff of inspirational sermons and Abraham taking his son up to the top of that mountain where he was fully prepared to slit him open like a goat is just good old fashion family values. It's true that you shouldn't let your children play GTA, but then I hope you don't let them read the bible either... no really, I hope you don't let your children read the bible.
Here's the problem: people live their lives and take action based on many of the cruel and misguided principles laid out in the bible. Nobody lives their lives by the unethical and amoral codes of the GTA universe. So maybe all of you who are outraged over the comic violence in GTA need to refocus your energy and attention where it's really needed.
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