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The Violent Language of Right-Wing Pundits Poisons Our Democracy
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The emergence of a cohort of right-wing pundits who use violent logic, language and arguments in national political debate did not gradually take shape over a long stretch of time, but rose up at a starling speed in the lead-up to the national elections of 2004 and 2006. As the horrific extent of the Iraqi military occupation waxed and George W. Bush's popularity waned, a hitherto sarcastic right-wing punditry seemed all at once to step into a new rhetorical frame. Suddenly, with Bush's re-election in doubt, casualties spiraling out of control, and revelations of U.S. military human rights abuses popping up all over, right-wing pundits shifted their tone from critique to conspiracy. The shift is summed up best by the opening line in Dinesh D'Souza's book The Enemy at Home: "The cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11."
As if that is not enough, D'Souza's book also accuses liberals of engaging in civil war with the rest of America and of harboring a violent dream that complements the terrorist goals of Osama Bin Laden, yearns for the destruction of U.S. military forces in Iraq and seeks the downfall of the United States. D'Souza's book filled mainstream bookstores, giving scholarly legitimacy to violent accusations of high treason against vast segments of the American population.
Violent language as a manner of speech amongst right-wing pundits reached a crescendo in the days leading up to the 2006 midterm elections. I remember flipping through TV channels one day, attempting to avoid pundits' violent rhetoric. But such language was everywhere. Anne Coulter joked about "nuking" Iran, Bill O'Reilly talked about the "war on Christmas," Pat Buchanan and Lou Dobbs spoke of the "invasion" and "conquest" of America by immigrants. I even came across a discussion of the "war against the war," in which an anti-war protest was discussed as if it was a war. Every political topic seemed clouded over by a right-wing pundit using violence language.
In the first few months after the 2006 mid-term elections, I penned several blog posts questioning whether the rise of violent rhetoric on the right might be a dangerous development that could possibly transform, through a sudden incident, into actual physical violence. Turning to the work of Hannah Arendt, in particular her masterful study of politics and violence, On Violence, I began to realize that the last significant violent turn in American political ideology and practice involved both the political right and the left. The late 1960s was a time, Arendt explained, where people increasingly believed that violence could actually produce controlled political outcomes. The result was an era in U.S. politics where a broad range of different political organizations and movements each took up violence, a product of the widespread acceptance of Mao Tse-tung's aphorism "Political power grows at the barrel of a gun." Arendt watched this moment lead to assassinations and mass chaos in urban centers, and thus argued that violence was problematic because it led to outcomes in politics that could not be controlled. Violence, she explained, drawing on a famous quote from Karl Marx, may be the birth pang of a new political body, but we would never say that labor pains were the cause of a birth. The same is true with violence, which occasionally happens at times of great political change but is not the cause of such change.
Arendt's thoughts on violence helped me to clarify several aspects of the trend in right-wing violent language that I was tracking in the media. First, I realized that the use of violent language was not accidental, but was the product of a shift in the political philosophy on which the right-wing punditry built their ideas. The shift was from a rhetoric of parody and burlesque to one of violence and accusation. Second, Arendt helped me to clarify exactly what role "violence" was playing in the worldview of the right-wing pundits. Most right-wing pundits see the power of the state as residing ultimately in the monopoly over violence, an idea that comes from the writings of German philosopher Max Weber. This, however, is not the political philosophy that guided the framers of the U.S. Constitution. In other words, violent rhetoric is not just a question of linguistic style, but a sign that a political philosophy in conflict with American deliberative democracy has captured the imagination of many right-wing pundits. Many factors have led to the emergence of violence among right-wing pundits, but the events of 9/11 seem central. In the wake of the attacks, right-wing pundits grew ever more convinced that the continued survival of United States depended on its willingness to use violence. The more violent language filled the airwaves of America's broadcast media, the more this new and disturbing logic of violence and power seemed to saturate public thinking. Lastly, Arendt's writing helped me to see that the American form of deliberative democratic politics itself was a form of government crafted as a replacement for earlier forms of rule by violence. In a discussion of American politics, the opposite of violence has never been nonviolence, but participation -- specifically, participation in deliberative democracy. The quintessential American town hall meetings that Jefferson imagined happening amongst small, mostly agricultural communities in rural colonial America were not just a system for accomplishing the needs of the people but a bulwark against tyrannical rule that resulted from a royal monopoly on all forms of power.
After considering the violent language from right-wing pundits, I began to see the language of America's elected leaders in a new light, particularly the rhetoric of President Bush and Vice President Cheney. It was clear to me that from the start of its term in office, the Bush administration was unrivaled in its ability to manipulate the public via the media. As such, strong political ties to privately owned, right-wing broadcast media was its biggest political asset. Yet, beyond their ability to wield control of the means of communication in our country, President Bush and Vice President Cheney embraced violence as a structuring concept in their political speech.
President Bush first stepped in the direction of violent language in the week following the attacks of Sept. 11, when he gave a series of public statements during visits to the White House by foreign dignitaries and U.S. government employees. The stated theme of that week was the mounting of a campaign to fight terrorism on a global scale, but the agenda had much more to do with constructing a new persona for Bush through a series of violent statements threatening the perpetrators of the attacks of 9/11. Over and over again that week, Bush said, "We're going to smoke them out of their holes," talking about the impending operations to find the terrorists responsible for 9/11 as if he were a cowboy setting out to kill prairie animals. Attempting much more than a bad John Wayne impersonation in those speeches, Bush was boldly stepping across a line that most presidents rarely crossed: direct calls for the death of other human beings.
That was a week of unimaginable emotional anguish for most Americans, and Bush's foray into violent language was largely hailed as welcome bravado in response to an act of war. While researching my book on presidential speeches in the summer of 2006, I went back to the transcripts of Bush's post-9/11 appearances and found moments filled with glib references to death and killing. Speaking to employees at the Pentagon on Sept. 17, 2001, for example, Bush said the following in response to a reporter's question:
I know that this is a different type of enemy than we're used to. It's an enemy that likes to hide and burrow in, and their network is extensive. There are no rules. It's barbaric behavior. They slit throats of women on airplanes in order to achieve an objective that is beyond comprehension. And they like to hit, and then they like to hide out. But we're going to smoke them out. And we're adjusting our thinking to the new type of enemy.A sitting U.S. president's using his own voice to advocate graphic violence to the public signaled a disturbing change in our political system. Events can be relayed in a variety of ways. President Bush chose violent descriptions to sum up the problem. At first glance, one would assume that his words had the obvious impact of injecting fear into American consciousness. Indeed, they did. In the months that followed Sept. 11, 2001, the country grew more and more afraid of knife-yielding terrorists on planes and more afraid of hidden threats, as waves of panic spread back and forth across the country. President Bush's metaphoric description of terrorists as animals skilled at hiding and committing barbaric acts of murder led people to accept that safety and security could only be restored by an equally violent process of hunting and killing. The violence of 9/11 had made Americans nervous about danger from the skies. As President Bush began to describe hidden threats of "barbaric" violence, Americans began to worry about which dangerous persons might be hiding in their own communities, or standing behind them in the grocery store lines, or sitting one seat over on the subway.
President Bush's turn to violent language was foreshadowed by his prior interest in the bellicose foreign policy vision of right-wing think tanks that had been pushing violent foreign policy since the late 1990s, such as the Project For The New American Century. His speeches also served as a green light to right-wing pundits, inviting them to step into a violent political idiom. Perhaps nobody embodied this more than Anne Coulter. Having made a name for herself as a pundit willing to talk about sex, Coulter's first column after 9/11 called for Americans to "invade" Muslim nations, "kill" their leaders and "convert" foreign citizens to Christianity. Coulter had lost a close friend in one of the planes that crashed on 9/11. Angry rhetoric in response to personal loss was a form of expression that most Americans understood, even as they felt uncomfortable with it. Nonetheless, Coulter's violent language took mainstream American media to a place it had not been since at least the 1950s, if not the 1930s. Another important step was about to be taken, however, and in this case it would be prominent pundits in the media who took the lead.
Whereas Bush had turned to violent language as a technique for dehumanizing the enemy -- talking about terrorists as if they were animals to be hunted and exterminated -- right-wing pundits on radio, television and in print slowly infused violent language into domestic political debate. Radicalized right-wing activists calling Democrats "murderers" had been a familiar, albeit disturbing, aspect of the abortion right's debate. What changed, however, was the sudden linking of violent death in 9/11 to issues that had hitherto been discussed solely in terms of competing social agendas. Speaking in the days after the events of 9/11 on the 700 Club, the flagship daily broadcast of his Christian Broadcast Network, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blamed the death and destruction on liberal groups in America:
FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.Falwell's idea that "we make God mad so God uses terrorists to exact revenge" found its correlate in equally shocking attempts by left-wing pundits and intellectuals to somehow blame the murders of 9/11 on social and economic conservatives. Political activist and professor Ward Churchill, for example, claimed infamously that the victims of the attacks were somehow responsible for their own deaths by virtue of their employment in a capitalist society and was deservedly excoriated for doing so. Nonetheless, the limited amount of violent rhetoric from the left that followed 9/11 quickly dissipated. Falwell's and Robertson's exchange, by contrast, nudged open a door that more and more pundits in the right-wing media began to walk through because of two additional factors that had set up a tectonic shift in right-wing rhetoric.
The first factor was that Falwell's and Robertson's comments happened in a post-2000 America where key evangelical leaders wield unprecedented national influence. Most notable among these evangelical leaders is James Dobson, founder and chairman of the Christian parenting organization Focus on the Family and a best-selling right-wing author who writes and speaks about the importance of using physical violence as a technique for disciplining children. Dobson played a prominent role in turning out the vote in the 2000 presidential election, and as a result, his authoritarian writing on parenting is now widely discussed in the mainstream media. In the period immediately after 9/11, however, the influence of Dobson went far beyond the question of raising children to the much broader issue of how the terrain of political debate in America had shifted in the months prior to the attacks of 2001. The Dobson era in the Republican Party, in other words, heralded a newfound comfort with the use of violent terms on a host of social issues, including homosexuality, the family and education.
The second factor was the resurgence of the National Rifle Association as a political force in right-wing politics. Most prominent of all, then NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre had already employed violent language to argue against gun control laws in the year prior to Sept. 11. In mid-2000, for example, LaPierre accused Bill Clinton of having blood on his hands for not enforcing gun laws, pushing the argument that Democrats allowed violent crime to happen in order advance a liberal agenda to deny gun owners their constitutional rights. LaPierre's rhetoric was so inflammatory that even then NRA president, Charlton Heston, felt the need to redress him. Nonetheless, with the election of George W. Bush, LaPierre emerged as the premier author and TV pundit on gun issues. The dual rise of authoritarian evangelicals and NRA leadership in the Republican Party and the media prepared American civic debate to acquiesce to a higher level of violent rhetoric in domestic politics.
The run up to the 2004 presidential election further increased the volume and frequency of violent rhetoric in right-wing media -- a key transformation in the Republican Party that became embodied in the words and persona of Dick Cheney. Caught in a cycle of bad news from Iraq, human rights abuses, tales of secret prisons, and mounting corruption scandals, the Republican Party launched a PR campaign to equate a Democratic return to the White House with increased terrorist attacks. Speaking to a packed crowd in Des Moines, Iowa on Sept. 9, 2004, Cheney brought violence to the heart of his campaign rhetoric: It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice. Because if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us. We have to understand it is a war.
Cheney proffered his violent theme to persuade voters. Rather than tone down his speeches in response to criticism, Cheney steeled his resolve and rallied the party faithful. By 2006, arguing that electoral victory for the Democrats would lead to the mass death of Americans by terrorists had became the core election strategy of the Republican Party. As election day neared, then Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman commissioned a political ad called "The Stakes," combining a ticking bomb soundtrack, images of Osama Bin Laden, video clips from terrorist training films and shots of exploding nuclear bombs. The violent message of the ad was that a vote for the Democrats was a vote for mass annihilation at the hands of nuclear-armed Al Qaeda terrorists. The arc that had begun with President Bush using violence to dehumanize terrorists was now complete.
At this point in the discussion, many people often mistake a concern for violent rhetoric with attempts to censor political speech or limit freedom of expression. It is an understandable reaction brought on by the deep affection Americans hold for the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Freedom of speech -- no matter how obscene, offensive or threatening that speech may be -- cannot be limited, curtailed or regulated without violating civil rights, or so the argument goes.
In general, the American system recognizes that speech is not to be limited up to the point that it presents "a clear and present danger of action of the kind the state is empowered to prevent and punish."Shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater, which we are not free to do, is the classic example. If we walk into a theater and cause mass hysteria by yelling "Fire!" without due cause, there will be a penalty for our destructive action. If someone says to a friend "Shoot that man there," and he does so -- that speech is part of the crime and, thus falls under the criminal statutes against murder. Moreover, what we all too often forget in our rush to assert freedom of expression is the other side of the First Amendment, a side that is in many ways even more important: freedom from compulsion. Compelling individuals to speak or express themselves in a specific way, particularly by the state, damages the First Amendment as much if not more than limiting individual expression. If, for example, a newspaper editor were compelled to print the news each morning according to the dictates of the White House communications director, that compulsion would infringe upon the First Amendment rights of far more people than just the editor. Anyone who read or heard about the information in that paper -- as government had compelled the editor to include it -- would be deprived of his or her First Amendment rights. Moreover, when it comes to violence in speech, context is everything. Violent language appears in the Bible, in Homer's works and in fairy tales, for example, but our system would never tolerate laws limiting the circulation or reading of The Book of Job, The Iliad or Little Red Riding Hood.
Following these basic principles, the U.S. federal government and court system have treated broadcast media, with its unrivalled ability to penetrate every aspect of American life, as a medium with potential for endangering certain individuals if left completely unregulated. In 2007, for example, the Federal Communications Commission issued a report studying the effects of violent television on America's children. The FCC came to the conclusion that efforts should be made to "channel" violent programming into those times of the day when children were least likely to be exposed to it and, wherever possible, to notify viewers in advance of violent content through a ratings system. Most of us benefit from this two-pronged approach without even thinking about it. When it is time for certain entertainment shows to start, a viewer discretion screen appears long enough to alert us to any violent content, language or otherwise, and in that moment we decide whether to continue watching or to choose another program. Most importantly, if we have children, that warning gives us a chance to decide if the content of the show is appropriate for our families.
As much as our system cares about protecting children from unwittingly coming into content with violent language in entertainment, the American system bends over backwards to make sure that none of the same measures infringe upon political speech. When it comes to political speech, the concern over compulsion is so deeply rooted in our culture that most scheduling restrictions or viewer advisories are held at bay. The exception to that rule, of course, are political shows that step clearly into a potential danger zone by virtue of their use of adult language -- i.e., swear words. The best example of a political show that has been time channeled and includes viewer advisories is Real Time with Bill Maher. Clearly, there are commercial disadvantages to airing a political talk show after 11 p.m., but they are balanced by the benefits of helping parents protect their children. That is not to say that Bill Maher's language is "bad" for children, but only that the content of the discussions he leads are widely viewed as inappropriate for audiences under a certain age. Viewer advisories and time channeling are widely seen as helpful precisely because it is so difficult to define "violence" in such a way that would allow producers of content to predictably comply with regulations limiting it.
While not a source of violent rhetoric, Bill Maher's show includes many adult themes. As such, it points to a question about political media rarely asked in discussions of regulatory efforts with respect to violent language in broadcast TV: Are most political talk shows news or entertainment? Maher's show, with its signature combination of comedy monologue and celebrity roundtable discussion, is clearly a form of entertainment designed to challenge viewers to think critically about politics. Its content is political, but Real Time is entertainment. For many other political talk shows on TV, particularly those on Fox News, the line between news and entertainment becomes blurry if not invisible altogether. For example, in April of 2007, on an episode of The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly and his guest Geraldo Rivera discussed the issue of drunk driving, crime and illegal immigration through an exchange of violent rhetoric that many viewers described as unprecedented on a "news" broadcast. Given how disconcerted so many viewers were in response to this particular episode of O'Reilly's show, it suggests that the type of violent exchange it featured warranted a viewer discretion advisory and time channeling required of a show more explicitly presented as entertainment. The question, in other words, is not one of censorship, but of the best way to protect viewers given the unprecedented power of broadcast media in our society and the number of political talk shows that inhabit the gray zone between news and entertainment.
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Posted by: HeKnew on May 6, 2008 12:41 AM
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Or is that too...VIOLENT?
Direct Democracy
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Posted by: dbarber on May 6, 2008 12:48 AM
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This certainly made some people uncomfortable, and the continued mischaracterization of what he said unfaily lumped him in with that all-purpose boogey-man, the Muslim extremist yelling, "Death to America."
A brief statement from the man himself:
"I am not a "defender" of the September 11 attacks, but simply pointing out that if U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned. I have never said that people "should" engage in armed attacks on the United States, but that such attacks are a natural and unavoidable consequence of unlawful U.S. policy. As Martin Luther King, quoting Robert F. Kennedy, said, "Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable."
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Posted by: williameon on May 6, 2008 2:31 AM
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Backlash!
Shut these pathetic old broken down propagandists OFF!
Shut The Clowns Down.
Who watches this crap?
X the FAUX Wrong NEWS off the DIAL!
Edit them- out!
We’ve got important work to do!
I just found The Sc/hrubs magic wand
Everything looks Rosy now.
Looking through his Boob colored Glasses!
The jobs are back.
The recession has ended.
The National Debt is zero.
The genetic modification Genie is back in the bottle.
Pandora’s Box is closed.
We left Iraq.
Pollution Laws are back in affect.
All privatization is reversed.
Outsourcing is stopped.
The Global warming treaties are signed.
The Green Economy is Booming.
Health care, Jobs and a College Education is provided, to all.
All of the Shrub’s horrible Draconian legislation is rescinded
The Pathetic (Patriot/ScapeGoat?) Act is shredded.
The Militia is Home.
Half of all the foreign military bases are closing.
The Army Forces were put into a defensive stance.
The CIA is disbanded.
The FBI, AT F, and NSA funding is cut by 2/3.
Dark Water is ordered to stand down.
Halliburton and Carlyle’s books are being audited.
The Shrub and his Cronies were brought to trail for Crimes against humanity.
The Government was purged of all corporate lobbyists and special interests.
The Federal Reserve is gone.
All money stolen by The Oil, Banking, Media and Arms Conglomerates is being taken back plus interest.
All Corporate Loop holes were closed and Corporate Welfare has ended.
Taxes on the Top 2% were increased.
All Propagandists were prosecuted and purged from the Media.
The Air waves were taken back and belong to the people.
All media laws are being revised to reflect the will of the people:
One outlet in one market.
All Crooked Corpirate Charters are being revoked and all their franchise dissolved.
All records of the Bush administration were opened to the public for investigation.
All criminal activity found within the Bush administration is being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
We apologize personally to all the people we have harmed and to the world as a whole.
Corporations are no longer considered People.
Citizen’s human rights are strengthened and reaffirmed using common language and positive terms.
The positive Ideals and Goals of the Society were reevaluated, brought up to date, protected and restated:
In modern terms.
The system purged, updated and upgraded.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 6, 2008 4:21 AM
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Only an idiot would believe that the attacks of 9/11 were a result of a hatred of our 'liberal' ways- If so why not attack SanFrancisco. Or that it was an attack against our Freedoms, Then Why Not the Statue of Liberty. Or an attack on our 'conspicuous consumption'- why not the Mall of American?
9/11 was caused by The years of abuse & activities of the MIC-towers ($$), Pentagon (Military) and the WH (foreign policy).
What truely concerns me is that the Inc/gov't conspirators have gotten away with this ridiculous Propaganda.And are still able to malign such great Americans as Rev Wright with this obviously flawed Logic. It Was THEIR chickens who had come 'home ' to roost. The multinational Incs hide on our Soil and behind Our Flag and PEOPLE while committing crimes against Humanity around the World for Decades!
We demanded they get out of the ME in the '70's- first Oil Crisis (energy black mail by oppressive 'Royals'who use US as scapegaots), First large scale Hostage crisis and numerous Highjackings. Only people who have been drugged or Brain Dead have not realized the BS of this Admin, Congress'and th eCorp Media's "TRUTH SPEAK". I was Shocked on 9/11- but Not Surprised nor EVER Deceived!
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Posted by: Urstrly on May 6, 2008 4:29 AM
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It's no accident that the Clinton campaign has encouraged their candidate's bellicose side. She knows exactly to whom she's playing when she talks tough. Having someone in office who needs to prove her willingness to use force at a time when the current occupant has so degraded our language and our culture around the use of torture and wanton killing is hazardous to our democracy.
The internet has been a savior for the left in that it connects people who are ignored by the mainstream media. That's why we must fight to keep it neutral, and if (I no longer say when) the Democrats win the next election, they should set about restoring the FCC to its former role of keeping radio and television politically neutral. I don't think the news shows should be censored (as some of them are today), but we have only so many airwaves, and the Republicans have sold them off to the highest bidders. The very least we should offer candidates is equal time, without charge.
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Posted by: DrGeneNelson on May 6, 2008 5:20 AM
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As a person whose paternal grandfather was killed by a drunk driver, I give little credence to Jeffrey Feldman's criticism of how a story about illegal alien drunk driving was reported.
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Posted by: Elurby on May 6, 2008 5:27 AM
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Blame both Left and Right for
inciting "violent" language,
but the Left is in control of
this GLOBAL CATASTROPHE, as it
has captured the Right and
distorted capitalists' markets
--TO BE FAIR. Read and learn:
You'll not get any closer to
the truth about what's afoot
with Bush's GLOBALIZATION, and
this looming food crisis, than
my below thoughts and links
((copy and send to friends
and colleagues; and note
that I REPEAT MY PREMISE
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TO DRIVE
HOME THE POINT)):
The Third-Way push of
socialism/capitalism to
equalize the world's
economies has caused
this looming food
crisis, NOT CAPITALISM.
Socialist/communist leftists
have captured capitalism
and enslaved it to EQUAL/
"FAIR" outcomes.
Of course, you'll have to
think more deeply to find
the truth.
Read and learn the truth:
What we are facing in 2008
is a Third-Way (socialist/
communist/capitalist)
conspiracy to equalize the
world's economies, as preface
to installing one-world
government; a plan hatched
during the 1940s GATT
formulations, which were
socialist/communist, in
effect.
Keep in mind that there is
no PEAK OIL crisis, only a
decades-long, purposeful
cap on searching and drilling
and refining for oil, in order
to put the world in crisis-mode.
Using food to produce fuel
is part of the conspiracy to
generate food riots, in order
to destabilize governments;
and this so-called "war on
terror" is also part of the
secret plan, although its
primary beneficially is Israel
in the exchange of blood
and treasury for oil--as
payoff for protecting Israel
from an ever-threatening,
encircling Islamic Arabism.
The secret plan?: to create
one-world government under
GLOBAL ECONOMIC SOCIALISM.
This is a conspiracy-driven
dismantlement of the West's
financial underpinnings,
for a certain purpose: TO
EQUALIZE GLOBAL ECONOMIES,
for future installation of
one-world government.
I've provided all the details
in my essay, "Planned
Destruction of America"
(linked below), which is my
report on Lt. Col. Archibald
Roberts' 1968 booklet: "The
Anatomy of a Revolution".
http://planneddestructionofamerica.blogspot.com/
Study my essay, then write as
if we're all being led down
a path to hell on Earth by
secretive, elite movers and
shakers on the Left and Right
(path to hell aka "Third-Way
Global Economic Socialism").
Read and learn and teach:
The EU and the coming North
America Union are products of
the 1940s GATT formulations,
and very few analysts are
aware of it ((GATT, NAFTA,
and CAFTA are socialistic
attempts at equalizing global
economies, in order to in-
stall one-world government
under THIRD-WAY Global
Economic Socialism)).
The NAFTA Debacle (1995)
http://naftadebacle1.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: robchapman on May 6, 2008 5:50 AM
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The most effective way to combat them is to treat them like the inconsequential boors they are and ignore them.
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Posted by: BST on May 6, 2008 6:11 AM
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Liberals, and I am one, could do well to get a little more testy, reckless and droll in discussions. Frankly, liberal delivery is so tedious, timorous and politically correct that it invites sleep, and SNL skits.
Hillary Clinton is my candidate. One reason is her willingness to mix it up, to be catty and feisty and sharp-edged. She's gotten a heap of abuse for it, but I kind of like her style.
Since when did it become de rigeuer to be so damn Caspar Milque-toast in our public debates, even our livingroom discussions? I think it's a sham.
Just watch a couple of little kids argue without intercession and you'll be reminded of our primal need to squabble and rant.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 6, 2008 6:31 AM
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Our country is losing all sense of proportionality. Are we, in some sense, addicted to violence? Video games, TV, wars, prisons, and now ceaseless right-wing rhetoric of "warfare," with the added irony that most of these right-wing pundits wouldn't know a rifle butt from its muzzle.
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Posted by: bc430 on May 6, 2008 6:57 AM
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We were programed to feel sorry for children who had no viable relationship with a supernatural, overweight, LSD inspired, nocturnal White guy from the North Pole, and an equally endowed Bunny Rabbit whose biological wiring enables it to squat, grunt and squirt out millions of pastel colored chicken eggs for all of the nice, clean, christian, american children fortunate enough to have a personal relationship with their Lord and Savior, Santa Claus. Then they graduate to booze, weed, ecstasy, date rape, meth, coke, smack, crack and war in the name of Jesus.
The same spirit that energized Cambodia's Killing Fields has operated out of Washington DC. and NYC for years. Nixon's prolonged stay in Vietnam seeded the clouds and caused the blood to rain down and soak deep into the fertile soil of the Killing fields, by giving Mr. Pot a reason to rally his homies. McCain????
Ward Churchill's sin is that of thinkers and fearless truth tellers who came before him, waking up the deceived brainwashed. Abraham or Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, Martin Luther, Ghandi, Patrice Lamumba, Malcolm X., Martin Luther King Jr., Jesse Owens, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, the dad of Tennis playing Williams sisters, my grandmother. Truth bearers force CHANGE.
There is not a person iiving or unborn who will ever be able to provide scientific proof that there is one measurable bit of difference between what the KKK believes and what agents of the U.S. Government have actualized. Examine the Republican 'conservative' and right leaning CLINTON adminstration's effect upon planet earth for the last____ adminstrations to present. Hillary???????????
The FOX News and other deceived Santa Claus and Easter Bunny worshiping, true patriotic, christian americans' task was to deceive America and take it captive.
Were it not for servant leaders commited to the essence of truth the world would be doomed to believe rediculous B*** S*** forever.
Thank you Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
Toward a brighter tomorrow,
A former deceived U.S. Army Combat Veteran for sanity and world piece.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 6, 2008 7:09 AM
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When Hillary Clinton said she would "obliterate" Iran (her words) if it attacked Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel, killing millions of innocent human beings, Mrs. Sniper Fire WASN'T joking!
Reason enough to support Barack.
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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This is the whole point of the Right's media campaign....They can't win based upon the facts...The last thing they want is polite, factual policy debate like one might find on the PBS News Hour.....They want Left v. Right shouting matches with ideological talking heads, which we see on cable infotainment networks like MSNBC. They especially do not want investigative journalism...which is a near extinct breed of journalism in America...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 6, 2008 7:24 AM
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The basic strategy taught to corporate PR hamsters and Pentagon spin doctors is to play on a small number of "motivational triggers", which could be grouped as:
a) vulnerability
b) injustice
c) distrust
e) superiority
f) helplessness
you can reverse all these, too:
a) invulnerability
b) justice
c) trust
d) inferiority
e) being capable
These are the psychological notions that are deliberately used by trained media types in order to whip up fear, hate, respect and other emotions in their listening audience. The "enemy" is not to be trusted, is injust, is culturally and morally inferior, and we might be vulnerable and helpless unless we attack the enemy first - and so on.
If you start watching speeches with an eye to looking for the emotional/psychological triggers, you'll start seeing them. There is usually a slight pause for emphasis before the "key phrase" is uttered, whatever it is - a few examples include:
"We have a moral obligation to . . ."
"Our national security requires that . . ."
"Is it wise to trust in the words of . . ."
The best response is not earnest, hand-wringing, honest discussion - no, the best response to this kind of tripe is ridicule - yes, harsh, no-holds-barred ridicule, of the crude and crass variety.
You might want to follow that up with some practical and rational advice, but first it is necessary to point out that the Emperor is butt naked, and yet no one is noticing this obvious fact. The kid didn't lecture the crowd on their poor perceptions, did he? He just pointed his finger and laughed.
Sometimes, that's all it takes, and that's why the Nazis would shoot anyone who laughed at the wild-eyed sweaty man who pounded the podium and screamed a lot about the noble duty of the Aryan Race to repopulate the world and wipe out the genetic inferiors...
What, is that a Godwin's Law violation? Well, the Stalinist comparison works just as well, and I'm unaware of any Internet Law prohibiting the use of Stalin as a historical example. . . and yes, Stalin would also have hecklers shot or sent to the Siberian gulags - no sense of humor, that guy.
This is why the so-called "Iraq War" movies mostly tanked - they were liberal exercises in hand-wringing. Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon - those movies portrayed war as it really is - hellish, bloody, and insane - and the longer it lasts, the worse it gets. People like the truth, and people don't like being lectured and manipulated.
The only film about the Iraq invasion and occupation and torture and oppression that really did well was the Bourne Ultimatum - yes, it was about that, oblique-wise. Why do you think Bill O'Reilly felt it necessary to attack the movie?
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Posted by: HughScott on May 6, 2008 8:30 AM
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D'Souza is just as greedy. Consider the following extract about his wealth, taken from the April 2005 issue of The San Diego Reader:
"Since Dartmouth, the conservative fray has been quite remunerative for D'Souza. Six years ago, he and his wife bought their home in Fairbanks Ranch (California). The nearly 8000-square-foot house has six bedrooms, seven and a half baths, and a four-car garage, where they keep their maroon 1992 Jaguar XJS. A circular drive fronts the French country stone house. The cathedral-like front room, with its full-length mirrors and tapestries, has an 18th-century French decor of (veneered) golden maple burl furniture. The slick floors echo like a museum as one walks through. In his office, there's wall-to-wall leopard-print carpet; floor-to-ceiling bookcases are stocked with titles in history, politics, and philosophy. The view out back features a bright blue pool and the arboretum-like landscape."
It's interestng that the people D'Souza attacks -- Democrats -- are, on average, blue-collar, low-income wage earners in our society.
Just how much money does D'Souza and his greedy rightwing ilk need, anyway? More than they can spend, obviously.
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Posted by: reason on May 6, 2008 8:41 AM
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Murdock's Fox is just an advertising arm for the right wing media.
People need to be aware of this, but most aren't.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 6, 2008 9:23 AM
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There's a conundrum implicit in the notion of equating violence of a tyrannical regime with violence among the resistance to such a regime. When one is attacked, resistance is healthy and to be expected. Matching ferocity for ferocity is primal and appropriate dependent on the circumstances.
The down side of matching ferocity in politics and cultural warfare is that the antidote to eliminationism is relationship, which gets dismantled when being ferocious (and frankly I have NO desire to have a relationship with a republikaaner asshole). It's like watching chimps display and do their thing in conflict vs. a bunch of bonobos. Which is better? I'm inclined with my brain to go with the bonobo but my guts wanna go all chimp on an attacker's ass.
"being nice" or "being civil" to an oppressor is highly overrated, even dangerous, when one is being deprived of happiness and liberty as well as livelihood. There's a place for anger, and a place for temporary violent resistance when non-violent resistance ceases to be successful. And that temporary violent resistance is NOT the same as the violence of an oppressor... the belief that somehow they are is a reflection of gross emotional illiteracy.
Temporary is the key to resistance that has violent components. And it comes with some serious consequences. Some sort of cultural Aikido seems warranted, but what does that look like? How does a liberal or progressive absorb and control (through non-resistant redirection and circular movement that either exhausts or disables the attack) the violent attacks and eliminationism by RWA's in the media, in economics, in vocations, in politics, in cultural everyday milieu? The goal always is to leave the attacker intact and not dead, though this can happen, usually through the fault of the attacker's misuse of force, but injuries do and can still happen, and Aikido techniques can be considered "violent" by most liberal definitions even though they are physically not. But how does this translate to politics, culture, values, beliefs, economics?
NO ONE is talking about that on the Left today. NO ONE is talking about how to do this differently, other than to offer platitudes and unsustainable or unrealistic "high mind" notions of non-violence and civility, usually from those that will never face any consequences to their person or material situation anyway. Mere prohibitions against violence, no matter how well-intended, without having an alternative rubric will work. And, frankly the owning and middling class cultural mores and thinkage on non-violence in the Left is intellectually and emotionally problematic for working class and poor people that we cannot ignore (because we working-poor actually have to physically, economically and emotionally live with the consequences of people's actions, especially the uppers, all the time whilst the uppers never have to worry about it).
So while the subject of the book seems intriguing, my own search continues for some sort of sense in a whole lot of senselessness.
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The subheading is misleading because the excerpt seems to take a much more nuanced view than this overly simplistic statement. But it's intriguing to note that the assertion that there is a "precious culture of civil debate" (something the author never claims) by Alternet's editors reveals their class-beliefs.
If one reads Zinn, Vidal, Johnson, Chomsky, one cannot possibly believe there has ever been a culture of civil debate, except amongst the owning classes and their middling imitators and aspirants. I took four semesters of debate and observed debate competitions at the university level. Being working class, I'm privy to the mundane daily sparring and "debate" amongst my own class that's in stark contrast to the university "civil debate" tom foolery.
However, both styles of "debate" achieve the same result: distraction from commitments to emotional literacy, the deflection of ownership of one's feelings and experience, and avoidance of the ability or civil responsibility to deeply listen and hear the opponent Other. In working class argument, the objective is to crush your opponent into humiliated silence, whatever-the-hell that means. In civil/formal debate the objective is to somehow perversely persuade another through clever use of rhetoric and gesture (but the real goal is usually the mere existence of "clash" at the expense of cooperation, nuance and multi-viewed intelligence). Neither are civil and neither are productive in the end. But a whole lot of owning and middle classers have a fantasy that there ever was a culture of civil debate...
I think this fantasy is also what's behind the urge to believe in 'Bama's phony "change" cult, Hillary's existential female-ness rather than either person's real qualifications, or shocking lack thereof, for a presidential candidate.
Thankfully the article doesn't seem to share this fantasy, taking a more nuanced approach. I'm going to see if a bunch of us on the block can swing the bucks to go buy this thing and do some communal reading.
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Not only was Churchill excoriated for what he wrote, but he was also forced out of his job.
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"The president, he got his war-
Folks don't know just what it's for-
Nobody gives us a rhyme or reason-
If anyone doubt, they call it treason-"
So this can sum up the state of speech in the ole' Red, White and Blue: If anyone criticizes a war America wages, we're labeled traitors, commies, lefists, or whatever. It brings back echoes of the 1950s.
Hate is everywhere, and there seems to be no let up in it.
Regardless of the source, there are those who know the truth of what's ailing the country and these gasbags ought to know their days are numbered. Just turn off the TV-only if it were that simple.
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Posted by: Paul1939 on May 6, 2008 12:50 PM
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Voters should remember it was Bill Clinton along with a Democratic Congress that put the legal framework into place for our free trade policy, i.e., NAFTA and WTO; and it was Hillary Clinton who was one of the leaders in getting most favored trade status for China. Voters should also remember that Senate Democrats routinely refused to use their filibuster power to block many laws that favored corporations and were disastrous for working middle class families. Voters should also not forget that Bill and Hillary have personal fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars. It's hard to ignore personal fortunes so large from the policies they made possible. They sure didn't earn it the old fashion way.
The Democrat’s approach with respect to amnesty for illegal aliens is the same as right wing pundits on the Iraq War, at least with respect to the desired result, i.e., shut down any rational discussion of the issue. They try to demonize anyone who objects to amnesty for whatever reason. If you want illegal aliens deported because you have demonstrable evidence that granting amnesty is bad public policy, then you must be a racist, a xenophobe, a bigot, a nativist and a hater of brown people - an all around BAD BAD person. Democrats will not engage in a rational discussion of the issue. How can they have a rational discussion with BAD BAD people?
I am a very liberal Democrat, but I am not a fool. I want all US citizens to have, as a minimum, a good standard of living. I can also empathize with the plight of poor people in Mexico and those in other countries around the world who are far worse off than Mexico's poor. What I cannot support are policies that will drive down the standard of living for US citizens.
When I look at the evidence I see no advantage to US citizens of allowing unknown millions of illegal aliens to remain in this country, or to permit the continuation of the massive legal immigration of millions of people every year.
Instead of trying to demonize those of us who oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and current legal immigration policy, try providing valid information to show that your position is good for the country. If I were given such information, I would change my views and join with you.
I am waiting to see the valid information on which I am sure you base your position.
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Posted by: Quannah on May 6, 2008 1:57 PM
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Pot.
Kettle.
Look in the mirror.
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So we have Ann the horse calling for my murder, no problem there, I am still alive, she has not committed a crime. But she also discredits me, slander. That is a crime and it has real world consequences, my husband stops speaking to me, my kids move out. No one wants to own me because Ann has been very, very effective.
She wouldn't have been if she was working by herself, but she had lots of help. So much help the voices agreeing with me were throughly discredited. Voices like the Tillmans and Gold Star Moms for Peace.
While we were all mesmerized by the TV voices telling us people like me are terrorists, our guys were killing, killing, killing.
Periodically our lawmakers would suggest a return to the draft would make a political difference.
They must not realize how completely cruel such a suggestion is to those who already have realized they have NO POLITICAL POWER.
No power? Why not? Because only evil hags like Ann Coulter get TV face time. Suggesting a draft to respond to the 'problem' of insufficient street protests against what Ann calls FOR is nothing but cruel. Senselessly cruel.
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Repent of echoing anyone else's hate. Turn them off.
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Posted by: Coleman on May 6, 2008 3:30 PM
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I'm astonished that the article was this long, or that similar stuff could fill a whole book. There's really no secret to the tactics. However, a deeper analysis is probably available in some textbook on communications or corporate PR.
And as (I think it was DaBear) one commenter pointed out, the sub-headline begs the question of whether or not there ever was real civil debate on the nation's airwaves. There's ample evidence that that has never been the case. The mass media is a managed debate, and the side you're on (by MSM definitions of political ideologies) depends on which emotional button you respond to when pressed. Whether it's immigration or abortion or taxes or free speech or whatever. Chomsky and Ed Herman had it right in Manufacturing Consent.
But let's get to the real issue of why or whether the Left should give a shit. Isn't it worth mentioning that the big media corporations are, literally, structurally incapable of consistently reporting news and views coinciding with the interests of the filthy laboring masses? Lipservice is paid, but how could News Corp. do a 180 on its ideology and survive in any recognizable form? It's inconceivable.
The answer for us is to cede the territory that is already lost. How many puffed-up liberals have gone on O'Reilly's show thinking "This guy's a fucking idiot. I have a PhD and I'll tell him what's what." only to be shouted, literally, shouted into submission - cut to commercial. It's a lose-lose situation for the Left.
But that's territory we don't want to waste our time getting back. ESPECIALLY with some kind of "fairness doctrine" legislation for prime-time TV. The Right would have a field day with shooting that one down. And you know what? They'd be correct. It would be a giant waste of time and money to "balance" the news on the fulcrum of some non-existent ideological "center".
Let's look forward instead. The future of the media are niche outlets that deliver news to ideologically-allied (but not necessarily homogeneous) constituencies, like bloggers, web portals, and the like. In other words, the future of the media is grassroots political strategy. Get the facts you need to shape history.
Let the MSM decline into info-tainment and embrace the new frontier (part of which you now read!). The new frontier will be more overtly political, but this is to be welcomed. So-called "objectivity," hitherto delivered to us by friendly anchors, is currently dying the death of a thousand cuts, and this is also to be welcomed.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 6, 2008 4:38 PM
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There are a lot of posts above advocating fighting just as nasty as the repugs - there is an alternative.
Make fun of 'em. Make jokes out of their beliefs. Look how much success Stephen Colbert has had.
One thing that the RW personality can't stand is being laughed at, nor can he stand being on the receiving end of ridicule. You might not change your target's mind - but the others who've seen him humiliated might think twice before opening their mouths. (assuming that they're capable of even thinking once...)
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Posted by: janelynne on May 9, 2008 4:46 PM
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Converseley, the same news stories are hidden by MM. What you do not hear on one, you will not hear on another. There is a concerted effort to show and hide, and there are no cracks in the system. There is much handwringing over Fox; But at least Fox is transparent, almost honest, drivel. The mainstream media, however, is devious.
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Posted by: catfish5437 on May 10, 2008 6:55 AM
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The really interesting thing about the ultra wrong-wing radio is that they all say pretty much the same thing. They have a common agenda, and they apparently have a common thought machine and message generator. It was very interesting to listen to Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" message, which was picked up by most of his imitators, urging their listeners to skip the republican primary and go vote for Hillary Clinton (which they could do in Texas). The cross-over part is about finished now, but their non-stop attacks on Barack Obama have only intensified.
I suspect, but don't know, that most Democrats, though you are aware of the slanted opinions evident on the TV networks (not just Fox), you may not be aware of the vicious hatred and lies your republican friends and relatives listen to, and actually believe, on AM radio. Believe me, it is an eye opener. If you haven't lost your temper lately, maybe it's time. Just turn your radio on (AM dial), and hit the seek button about every 5-10 minutes. I guarantee that will be as long as you want to listen to any of them. But you need to take enough time to listen to more than just two or three of the blowhards, so you will get the full impact of what has happened in America. It ain't pretty. I realize that, unlike Texas, in some parts of the nation actual progressive voices are to be heard. I recommend that you cherish those voices, and let them know how much you appreciate them.
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Wake up America!!!
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Or is that too...VIOLENT?
Direct Democracy
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This certainly made some people uncomfortable, and the continued mischaracterization of what he said unfaily lumped him in with that all-purpose boogey-man, the Muslim extremist yelling, "Death to America."
A brief statement from the man himself:
"I am not a "defender" of the September 11 attacks, but simply pointing out that if U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned. I have never said that people "should" engage in armed attacks on the United States, but that such attacks are a natural and unavoidable consequence of unlawful U.S. policy. As Martin Luther King, quoting Robert F. Kennedy, said, "Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable."
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Posted by: williameon on May 6, 2008 2:31 AM
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Backlash!
Shut these pathetic old broken down propagandists OFF!
Shut The Clowns Down.
Who watches this crap?
X the FAUX Wrong NEWS off the DIAL!
Edit them- out!
We’ve got important work to do!
I just found The Sc/hrubs magic wand
Everything looks Rosy now.
Looking through his Boob colored Glasses!
The jobs are back.
The recession has ended.
The National Debt is zero.
The genetic modification Genie is back in the bottle.
Pandora’s Box is closed.
We left Iraq.
Pollution Laws are back in affect.
All privatization is reversed.
Outsourcing is stopped.
The Global warming treaties are signed.
The Green Economy is Booming.
Health care, Jobs and a College Education is provided, to all.
All of the Shrub’s horrible Draconian legislation is rescinded
The Pathetic (Patriot/ScapeGoat?) Act is shredded.
The Militia is Home.
Half of all the foreign military bases are closing.
The Army Forces were put into a defensive stance.
The CIA is disbanded.
The FBI, AT F, and NSA funding is cut by 2/3.
Dark Water is ordered to stand down.
Halliburton and Carlyle’s books are being audited.
The Shrub and his Cronies were brought to trail for Crimes against humanity.
The Government was purged of all corporate lobbyists and special interests.
The Federal Reserve is gone.
All money stolen by The Oil, Banking, Media and Arms Conglomerates is being taken back plus interest.
All Corporate Loop holes were closed and Corporate Welfare has ended.
Taxes on the Top 2% were increased.
All Propagandists were prosecuted and purged from the Media.
The Air waves were taken back and belong to the people.
All media laws are being revised to reflect the will of the people:
One outlet in one market.
All Crooked Corpirate Charters are being revoked and all their franchise dissolved.
All records of the Bush administration were opened to the public for investigation.
All criminal activity found within the Bush administration is being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
We apologize personally to all the people we have harmed and to the world as a whole.
Corporations are no longer considered People.
Citizen’s human rights are strengthened and reaffirmed using common language and positive terms.
The positive Ideals and Goals of the Society were reevaluated, brought up to date, protected and restated:
In modern terms.
The system purged, updated and upgraded.
The
First
100
DAYS!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 6, 2008 4:21 AM
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Only an idiot would believe that the attacks of 9/11 were a result of a hatred of our 'liberal' ways- If so why not attack SanFrancisco. Or that it was an attack against our Freedoms, Then Why Not the Statue of Liberty. Or an attack on our 'conspicuous consumption'- why not the Mall of American?
9/11 was caused by The years of abuse & activities of the MIC-towers ($$), Pentagon (Military) and the WH (foreign policy).
What truely concerns me is that the Inc/gov't conspirators have gotten away with this ridiculous Propaganda.And are still able to malign such great Americans as Rev Wright with this obviously flawed Logic. It Was THEIR chickens who had come 'home ' to roost. The multinational Incs hide on our Soil and behind Our Flag and PEOPLE while committing crimes against Humanity around the World for Decades!
We demanded they get out of the ME in the '70's- first Oil Crisis (energy black mail by oppressive 'Royals'who use US as scapegaots), First large scale Hostage crisis and numerous Highjackings. Only people who have been drugged or Brain Dead have not realized the BS of this Admin, Congress'and th eCorp Media's "TRUTH SPEAK". I was Shocked on 9/11- but Not Surprised nor EVER Deceived!
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It's no accident that the Clinton campaign has encouraged their candidate's bellicose side. She knows exactly to whom she's playing when she talks tough. Having someone in office who needs to prove her willingness to use force at a time when the current occupant has so degraded our language and our culture around the use of torture and wanton killing is hazardous to our democracy.
The internet has been a savior for the left in that it connects people who are ignored by the mainstream media. That's why we must fight to keep it neutral, and if (I no longer say when) the Democrats win the next election, they should set about restoring the FCC to its former role of keeping radio and television politically neutral. I don't think the news shows should be censored (as some of them are today), but we have only so many airwaves, and the Republicans have sold them off to the highest bidders. The very least we should offer candidates is equal time, without charge.
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More about it here
View it here
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Posted by: DrGeneNelson on May 6, 2008 5:20 AM
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As a person whose paternal grandfather was killed by a drunk driver, I give little credence to Jeffrey Feldman's criticism of how a story about illegal alien drunk driving was reported.
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#######
Blame both Left and Right for
inciting "violent" language,
but the Left is in control of
this GLOBAL CATASTROPHE, as it
has captured the Right and
distorted capitalists' markets
--TO BE FAIR. Read and learn:
You'll not get any closer to
the truth about what's afoot
with Bush's GLOBALIZATION, and
this looming food crisis, than
my below thoughts and links
((copy and send to friends
and colleagues; and note
that I REPEAT MY PREMISE
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TO DRIVE
HOME THE POINT)):
The Third-Way push of
socialism/capitalism to
equalize the world's
economies has caused
this looming food
crisis, NOT CAPITALISM.
Socialist/communist leftists
have captured capitalism
and enslaved it to EQUAL/
"FAIR" outcomes.
Of course, you'll have to
think more deeply to find
the truth.
Read and learn the truth:
What we are facing in 2008
is a Third-Way (socialist/
communist/capitalist)
conspiracy to equalize the
world's economies, as preface
to installing one-world
government; a plan hatched
during the 1940s GATT
formulations, which were
socialist/communist, in
effect.
Keep in mind that there is
no PEAK OIL crisis, only a
decades-long, purposeful
cap on searching and drilling
and refining for oil, in order
to put the world in crisis-mode.
Using food to produce fuel
is part of the conspiracy to
generate food riots, in order
to destabilize governments;
and this so-called "war on
terror" is also part of the
secret plan, although its
primary beneficially is Israel
in the exchange of blood
and treasury for oil--as
payoff for protecting Israel
from an ever-threatening,
encircling Islamic Arabism.
The secret plan?: to create
one-world government under
GLOBAL ECONOMIC SOCIALISM.
This is a conspiracy-driven
dismantlement of the West's
financial underpinnings,
for a certain purpose: TO
EQUALIZE GLOBAL ECONOMIES,
for future installation of
one-world government.
I've provided all the details
in my essay, "Planned
Destruction of America"
(linked below), which is my
report on Lt. Col. Archibald
Roberts' 1968 booklet: "The
Anatomy of a Revolution".
http://planneddestructionofamerica.blogspot.com/
Study my essay, then write as
if we're all being led down
a path to hell on Earth by
secretive, elite movers and
shakers on the Left and Right
(path to hell aka "Third-Way
Global Economic Socialism").
Read and learn and teach:
The EU and the coming North
America Union are products of
the 1940s GATT formulations,
and very few analysts are
aware of it ((GATT, NAFTA,
and CAFTA are socialistic
attempts at equalizing global
economies, in order to in-
stall one-world government
under THIRD-WAY Global
Economic Socialism)).
The NAFTA Debacle (1995)
http://naftadebacle1.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: robchapman on May 6, 2008 5:50 AM
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The most effective way to combat them is to treat them like the inconsequential boors they are and ignore them.
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Posted by: BST on May 6, 2008 6:11 AM
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Liberals, and I am one, could do well to get a little more testy, reckless and droll in discussions. Frankly, liberal delivery is so tedious, timorous and politically correct that it invites sleep, and SNL skits.
Hillary Clinton is my candidate. One reason is her willingness to mix it up, to be catty and feisty and sharp-edged. She's gotten a heap of abuse for it, but I kind of like her style.
Since when did it become de rigeuer to be so damn Caspar Milque-toast in our public debates, even our livingroom discussions? I think it's a sham.
Just watch a couple of little kids argue without intercession and you'll be reminded of our primal need to squabble and rant.
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Posted by: taxidriver on May 6, 2008 6:31 AM
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Our country is losing all sense of proportionality. Are we, in some sense, addicted to violence? Video games, TV, wars, prisons, and now ceaseless right-wing rhetoric of "warfare," with the added irony that most of these right-wing pundits wouldn't know a rifle butt from its muzzle.
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Posted by: bc430 on May 6, 2008 6:57 AM
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We were programed to feel sorry for children who had no viable relationship with a supernatural, overweight, LSD inspired, nocturnal White guy from the North Pole, and an equally endowed Bunny Rabbit whose biological wiring enables it to squat, grunt and squirt out millions of pastel colored chicken eggs for all of the nice, clean, christian, american children fortunate enough to have a personal relationship with their Lord and Savior, Santa Claus. Then they graduate to booze, weed, ecstasy, date rape, meth, coke, smack, crack and war in the name of Jesus.
The same spirit that energized Cambodia's Killing Fields has operated out of Washington DC. and NYC for years. Nixon's prolonged stay in Vietnam seeded the clouds and caused the blood to rain down and soak deep into the fertile soil of the Killing fields, by giving Mr. Pot a reason to rally his homies. McCain????
Ward Churchill's sin is that of thinkers and fearless truth tellers who came before him, waking up the deceived brainwashed. Abraham or Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, Martin Luther, Ghandi, Patrice Lamumba, Malcolm X., Martin Luther King Jr., Jesse Owens, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, the dad of Tennis playing Williams sisters, my grandmother. Truth bearers force CHANGE.
There is not a person iiving or unborn who will ever be able to provide scientific proof that there is one measurable bit of difference between what the KKK believes and what agents of the U.S. Government have actualized. Examine the Republican 'conservative' and right leaning CLINTON adminstration's effect upon planet earth for the last____ adminstrations to present. Hillary???????????
The FOX News and other deceived Santa Claus and Easter Bunny worshiping, true patriotic, christian americans' task was to deceive America and take it captive.
Were it not for servant leaders commited to the essence of truth the world would be doomed to believe rediculous B*** S*** forever.
Thank you Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
Toward a brighter tomorrow,
A former deceived U.S. Army Combat Veteran for sanity and world piece.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 6, 2008 7:09 AM
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When Hillary Clinton said she would "obliterate" Iran (her words) if it attacked Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel, killing millions of innocent human beings, Mrs. Sniper Fire WASN'T joking!
Reason enough to support Barack.
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This is the whole point of the Right's media campaign....They can't win based upon the facts...The last thing they want is polite, factual policy debate like one might find on the PBS News Hour.....They want Left v. Right shouting matches with ideological talking heads, which we see on cable infotainment networks like MSNBC. They especially do not want investigative journalism...which is a near extinct breed of journalism in America...
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 6, 2008 7:24 AM
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The basic strategy taught to corporate PR hamsters and Pentagon spin doctors is to play on a small number of "motivational triggers", which could be grouped as:
a) vulnerability
b) injustice
c) distrust
e) superiority
f) helplessness
you can reverse all these, too:
a) invulnerability
b) justice
c) trust
d) inferiority
e) being capable
These are the psychological notions that are deliberately used by trained media types in order to whip up fear, hate, respect and other emotions in their listening audience. The "enemy" is not to be trusted, is injust, is culturally and morally inferior, and we might be vulnerable and helpless unless we attack the enemy first - and so on.
If you start watching speeches with an eye to looking for the emotional/psychological triggers, you'll start seeing them. There is usually a slight pause for emphasis before the "key phrase" is uttered, whatever it is - a few examples include:
"We have a moral obligation to . . ."
"Our national security requires that . . ."
"Is it wise to trust in the words of . . ."
The best response is not earnest, hand-wringing, honest discussion - no, the best response to this kind of tripe is ridicule - yes, harsh, no-holds-barred ridicule, of the crude and crass variety.
You might want to follow that up with some practical and rational advice, but first it is necessary to point out that the Emperor is butt naked, and yet no one is noticing this obvious fact. The kid didn't lecture the crowd on their poor perceptions, did he? He just pointed his finger and laughed.
Sometimes, that's all it takes, and that's why the Nazis would shoot anyone who laughed at the wild-eyed sweaty man who pounded the podium and screamed a lot about the noble duty of the Aryan Race to repopulate the world and wipe out the genetic inferiors...
What, is that a Godwin's Law violation? Well, the Stalinist comparison works just as well, and I'm unaware of any Internet Law prohibiting the use of Stalin as a historical example. . . and yes, Stalin would also have hecklers shot or sent to the Siberian gulags - no sense of humor, that guy.
This is why the so-called "Iraq War" movies mostly tanked - they were liberal exercises in hand-wringing. Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon - those movies portrayed war as it really is - hellish, bloody, and insane - and the longer it lasts, the worse it gets. People like the truth, and people don't like being lectured and manipulated.
The only film about the Iraq invasion and occupation and torture and oppression that really did well was the Bourne Ultimatum - yes, it was about that, oblique-wise. Why do you think Bill O'Reilly felt it necessary to attack the movie?
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Posted by: HughScott on May 6, 2008 8:30 AM
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D'Souza is just as greedy. Consider the following extract about his wealth, taken from the April 2005 issue of The San Diego Reader:
"Since Dartmouth, the conservative fray has been quite remunerative for D'Souza. Six years ago, he and his wife bought their home in Fairbanks Ranch (California). The nearly 8000-square-foot house has six bedrooms, seven and a half baths, and a four-car garage, where they keep their maroon 1992 Jaguar XJS. A circular drive fronts the French country stone house. The cathedral-like front room, with its full-length mirrors and tapestries, has an 18th-century French decor of (veneered) golden maple burl furniture. The slick floors echo like a museum as one walks through. In his office, there's wall-to-wall leopard-print carpet; floor-to-ceiling bookcases are stocked with titles in history, politics, and philosophy. The view out back features a bright blue pool and the arboretum-like landscape."
It's interestng that the people D'Souza attacks -- Democrats -- are, on average, blue-collar, low-income wage earners in our society.
Just how much money does D'Souza and his greedy rightwing ilk need, anyway? More than they can spend, obviously.
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Posted by: reason on May 6, 2008 8:41 AM
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Murdock's Fox is just an advertising arm for the right wing media.
People need to be aware of this, but most aren't.
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There's a conundrum implicit in the notion of equating violence of a tyrannical regime with violence among the resistance to such a regime. When one is attacked, resistance is healthy and to be expected. Matching ferocity for ferocity is primal and appropriate dependent on the circumstances.
The down side of matching ferocity in politics and cultural warfare is that the antidote to eliminationism is relationship, which gets dismantled when being ferocious (and frankly I have NO desire to have a relationship with a republikaaner asshole). It's like watching chimps display and do their thing in conflict vs. a bunch of bonobos. Which is better? I'm inclined with my brain to go with the bonobo but my guts wanna go all chimp on an attacker's ass.
"being nice" or "being civil" to an oppressor is highly overrated, even dangerous, when one is being deprived of happiness and liberty as well as livelihood. There's a place for anger, and a place for temporary violent resistance when non-violent resistance ceases to be successful. And that temporary violent resistance is NOT the same as the violence of an oppressor... the belief that somehow they are is a reflection of gross emotional illiteracy.
Temporary is the key to resistance that has violent components. And it comes with some serious consequences. Some sort of cultural Aikido seems warranted, but what does that look like? How does a liberal or progressive absorb and control (through non-resistant redirection and circular movement that either exhausts or disables the attack) the violent attacks and eliminationism by RWA's in the media, in economics, in vocations, in politics, in cultural everyday milieu? The goal always is to leave the attacker intact and not dead, though this can happen, usually through the fault of the attacker's misuse of force, but injuries do and can still happen, and Aikido techniques can be considered "violent" by most liberal definitions even though they are physically not. But how does this translate to politics, culture, values, beliefs, economics?
NO ONE is talking about that on the Left today. NO ONE is talking about how to do this differently, other than to offer platitudes and unsustainable or unrealistic "high mind" notions of non-violence and civility, usually from those that will never face any consequences to their person or material situation anyway. Mere prohibitions against violence, no matter how well-intended, without having an alternative rubric will work. And, frankly the owning and middling class cultural mores and thinkage on non-violence in the Left is intellectually and emotionally problematic for working class and poor people that we cannot ignore (because we working-poor actually have to physically, economically and emotionally live with the consequences of people's actions, especially the uppers, all the time whilst the uppers never have to worry about it).
So while the subject of the book seems intriguing, my own search continues for some sort of sense in a whole lot of senselessness.
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The subheading is misleading because the excerpt seems to take a much more nuanced view than this overly simplistic statement. But it's intriguing to note that the assertion that there is a "precious culture of civil debate" (something the author never claims) by Alternet's editors reveals their class-beliefs.
If one reads Zinn, Vidal, Johnson, Chomsky, one cannot possibly believe there has ever been a culture of civil debate, except amongst the owning classes and their middling imitators and aspirants. I took four semesters of debate and observed debate competitions at the university level. Being working class, I'm privy to the mundane daily sparring and "debate" amongst my own class that's in stark contrast to the university "civil debate" tom foolery.
However, both styles of "debate" achieve the same result: distraction from commitments to emotional literacy, the deflection of ownership of one's feelings and experience, and avoidance of the ability or civil responsibility to deeply listen and hear the opponent Other. In working class argument, the objective is to crush your opponent into humiliated silence, whatever-the-hell that means. In civil/formal debate the objective is to somehow perversely persuade another through clever use of rhetoric and gesture (but the real goal is usually the mere existence of "clash" at the expense of cooperation, nuance and multi-viewed intelligence). Neither are civil and neither are productive in the end. But a whole lot of owning and middle classers have a fantasy that there ever was a culture of civil debate...
I think this fantasy is also what's behind the urge to believe in 'Bama's phony "change" cult, Hillary's existential female-ness rather than either person's real qualifications, or shocking lack thereof, for a presidential candidate.
Thankfully the article doesn't seem to share this fantasy, taking a more nuanced approach. I'm going to see if a bunch of us on the block can swing the bucks to go buy this thing and do some communal reading.
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Not only was Churchill excoriated for what he wrote, but he was also forced out of his job.
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"The president, he got his war-
Folks don't know just what it's for-
Nobody gives us a rhyme or reason-
If anyone doubt, they call it treason-"
So this can sum up the state of speech in the ole' Red, White and Blue: If anyone criticizes a war America wages, we're labeled traitors, commies, lefists, or whatever. It brings back echoes of the 1950s.
Hate is everywhere, and there seems to be no let up in it.
Regardless of the source, there are those who know the truth of what's ailing the country and these gasbags ought to know their days are numbered. Just turn off the TV-only if it were that simple.
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Voters should remember it was Bill Clinton along with a Democratic Congress that put the legal framework into place for our free trade policy, i.e., NAFTA and WTO; and it was Hillary Clinton who was one of the leaders in getting most favored trade status for China. Voters should also remember that Senate Democrats routinely refused to use their filibuster power to block many laws that favored corporations and were disastrous for working middle class families. Voters should also not forget that Bill and Hillary have personal fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars. It's hard to ignore personal fortunes so large from the policies they made possible. They sure didn't earn it the old fashion way.
The Democrat’s approach with respect to amnesty for illegal aliens is the same as right wing pundits on the Iraq War, at least with respect to the desired result, i.e., shut down any rational discussion of the issue. They try to demonize anyone who objects to amnesty for whatever reason. If you want illegal aliens deported because you have demonstrable evidence that granting amnesty is bad public policy, then you must be a racist, a xenophobe, a bigot, a nativist and a hater of brown people - an all around BAD BAD person. Democrats will not engage in a rational discussion of the issue. How can they have a rational discussion with BAD BAD people?
I am a very liberal Democrat, but I am not a fool. I want all US citizens to have, as a minimum, a good standard of living. I can also empathize with the plight of poor people in Mexico and those in other countries around the world who are far worse off than Mexico's poor. What I cannot support are policies that will drive down the standard of living for US citizens.
When I look at the evidence I see no advantage to US citizens of allowing unknown millions of illegal aliens to remain in this country, or to permit the continuation of the massive legal immigration of millions of people every year.
Instead of trying to demonize those of us who oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and current legal immigration policy, try providing valid information to show that your position is good for the country. If I were given such information, I would change my views and join with you.
I am waiting to see the valid information on which I am sure you base your position.
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Pot.
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Look in the mirror.
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So we have Ann the horse calling for my murder, no problem there, I am still alive, she has not committed a crime. But she also discredits me, slander. That is a crime and it has real world consequences, my husband stops speaking to me, my kids move out. No one wants to own me because Ann has been very, very effective.
She wouldn't have been if she was working by herself, but she had lots of help. So much help the voices agreeing with me were throughly discredited. Voices like the Tillmans and Gold Star Moms for Peace.
While we were all mesmerized by the TV voices telling us people like me are terrorists, our guys were killing, killing, killing.
Periodically our lawmakers would suggest a return to the draft would make a political difference.
They must not realize how completely cruel such a suggestion is to those who already have realized they have NO POLITICAL POWER.
No power? Why not? Because only evil hags like Ann Coulter get TV face time. Suggesting a draft to respond to the 'problem' of insufficient street protests against what Ann calls FOR is nothing but cruel. Senselessly cruel.
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Repent of echoing anyone else's hate. Turn them off.
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I'm astonished that the article was this long, or that similar stuff could fill a whole book. There's really no secret to the tactics. However, a deeper analysis is probably available in some textbook on communications or corporate PR.
And as (I think it was DaBear) one commenter pointed out, the sub-headline begs the question of whether or not there ever was real civil debate on the nation's airwaves. There's ample evidence that that has never been the case. The mass media is a managed debate, and the side you're on (by MSM definitions of political ideologies) depends on which emotional button you respond to when pressed. Whether it's immigration or abortion or taxes or free speech or whatever. Chomsky and Ed Herman had it right in Manufacturing Consent.
But let's get to the real issue of why or whether the Left should give a shit. Isn't it worth mentioning that the big media corporations are, literally, structurally incapable of consistently reporting news and views coinciding with the interests of the filthy laboring masses? Lipservice is paid, but how could News Corp. do a 180 on its ideology and survive in any recognizable form? It's inconceivable.
The answer for us is to cede the territory that is already lost. How many puffed-up liberals have gone on O'Reilly's show thinking "This guy's a fucking idiot. I have a PhD and I'll tell him what's what." only to be shouted, literally, shouted into submission - cut to commercial. It's a lose-lose situation for the Left.
But that's territory we don't want to waste our time getting back. ESPECIALLY with some kind of "fairness doctrine" legislation for prime-time TV. The Right would have a field day with shooting that one down. And you know what? They'd be correct. It would be a giant waste of time and money to "balance" the news on the fulcrum of some non-existent ideological "center".
Let's look forward instead. The future of the media are niche outlets that deliver news to ideologically-allied (but not necessarily homogeneous) constituencies, like bloggers, web portals, and the like. In other words, the future of the media is grassroots political strategy. Get the facts you need to shape history.
Let the MSM decline into info-tainment and embrace the new frontier (part of which you now read!). The new frontier will be more overtly political, but this is to be welcomed. So-called "objectivity," hitherto delivered to us by friendly anchors, is currently dying the death of a thousand cuts, and this is also to be welcomed.
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There are a lot of posts above advocating fighting just as nasty as the repugs - there is an alternative.
Make fun of 'em. Make jokes out of their beliefs. Look how much success Stephen Colbert has had.
One thing that the RW personality can't stand is being laughed at, nor can he stand being on the receiving end of ridicule. You might not change your target's mind - but the others who've seen him humiliated might think twice before opening their mouths. (assuming that they're capable of even thinking once...)
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Converseley, the same news stories are hidden by MM. What you do not hear on one, you will not hear on another. There is a concerted effort to show and hide, and there are no cracks in the system. There is much handwringing over Fox; But at least Fox is transparent, almost honest, drivel. The mainstream media, however, is devious.
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Posted by: catfish5437 on May 10, 2008 6:55 AM
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The really interesting thing about the ultra wrong-wing radio is that they all say pretty much the same thing. They have a common agenda, and they apparently have a common thought machine and message generator. It was very interesting to listen to Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" message, which was picked up by most of his imitators, urging their listeners to skip the republican primary and go vote for Hillary Clinton (which they could do in Texas). The cross-over part is about finished now, but their non-stop attacks on Barack Obama have only intensified.
I suspect, but don't know, that most Democrats, though you are aware of the slanted opinions evident on the TV networks (not just Fox), you may not be aware of the vicious hatred and lies your republican friends and relatives listen to, and actually believe, on AM radio. Believe me, it is an eye opener. If you haven't lost your temper lately, maybe it's time. Just turn your radio on (AM dial), and hit the seek button about every 5-10 minutes. I guarantee that will be as long as you want to listen to any of them. But you need to take enough time to listen to more than just two or three of the blowhards, so you will get the full impact of what has happened in America. It ain't pretty. I realize that, unlike Texas, in some parts of the nation actual progressive voices are to be heard. I recommend that you cherish those voices, and let them know how much you appreciate them.
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Wake up America!!!
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