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Our Media Have Been So Wrong for So Long
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As one who has been on the cutting edge of exposing the Bush administration's pre-emptive war on the media, Mitchell, the author of nine other nonfiction works, is among the first to broach, and critically analyze, the issue of "non-hostile combat deaths," as well as suggest the long term costs of this war not merely to our veterans, but to our national ethos.
We're treated to a first rate account not merely of a media complicit in the debacle that is Iraq, but one equally responsible for our continued presence in the region.
AlterNet recently caught up with Greg Mitchell to talk about his latest book...
Jayne Stahl: You quote one of your reporters writing that the "highest calling of journalism is not reporting. It's finding the story that would help prevent a war." Tell how this relates to your decision to publish an anthology of your essays about the Iraq war now.
Greg Mitchell: This is the first book to look at five full years in the life of the war, from the "run-up" to the "surge" debate last fall. But its aim is to serve as a warning and, in part, a lesson for future journalists. When I was back in j-school, which came just before Woodward and Bernstein emerged, we were taught that the first rule for reporters is to be "skeptical." Not necessarily critical or negative, but skeptical. This rule applies whether you are probing a local school board scandal, or the preparation for an invasion of another country.
You might be looking behind what a housing department staffer said, or maybe examining the facts as put forward by, say, a U.S. secretary of state before the United Nations. Same thing.
Of course, reporters and editors don't have it within their full power to "prevent" a war, but they can sure try to put all the facts out there so that those who are backing an attack at least have to face full public questioning and the wrath of the poll numbers, not to mention, confront their own conscience. I hope the book encourages more skepticism, at least.
Stahl: To paraphrase Daniel Ellsberg, who you interviewed (the very prescient piece appears early in your book), have the media learned the lessons of Iraq, or are we poised for another prefab invasion?
Mitchell: I've charted some improvement in the "skepticism" since the WMD and other Saddam threats turned up empty. Surely you would hope that many in the media would be outright embarrassed and vow not to let it happen again. Indeed, as each succeeding "crisis" has emerged, involving Iran or Syria or North Korea, for example, at least more in the media have raised questions, although not universally.
But there's still far too much "report the military or White House view and worry about the rest later" kind of reporting. And, as we saw after the Watergate/Vietnam era, the fervor for really hard-nosed, skeptical coverage can die quickly.
Stahl: In the spring of 2003, one of the questions you say you wished the press had asked President Bush at his last press conference before the war had to do with how many Iraqi civilians did he expect to die as a result of the war. Do you think we are closer to knowing that, and do you think we can expect less obstruction with respect to the flow of information from the next chain of command in Washington?
Mitchell: It's impossible to know the true civilian toll in Iraq, but we know that it is horrible enough, no matter what the number. It is certainly higher than the minimal "tens of thousands" cited by the White House and many in the press, but how far it goes into the hundreds of thousands no one can say. It's almost as if the surveys that have produced much higher numbers have been attacked as a way to cut off all discussion -- you know, we can't know, so why try? But we have to keep trying.
Beyond the deaths, you have the wounded and the psychologically damaged, as we have seen with our own veterans. Imagine the mental toll on young people and kids there, with bombs exploding all the time, almost every family touched by death, no normal childhood at all. Then you have the tragedy of the massive migration from the country. It's a catastrophe no matter how you slice it.
The next administration almost has to be looser with info, but funny things happen to well-meaning politicos when they have their own missteps to defend or cover up.
Stahl: At E&P, you have been keeping track of the extraordinary rise in "noncombat deaths" among our troops in Iraq, and there are several chapters on this in your book. What do you attribute the sudden rise in suicides, accidents, and nonhostile mortality to? Why do you think we have seen the greatest percentage of suicides in the Iraq war, more than any other, since the military started keeping records?
Mitchell: I'm proud to say that I started covering this area just weeks into the war and have kept at it ever since -- for many years, it was a very lonely crusade. That has changed only in recent months. The cases have ranged from Col. Ted Westhusing, to an Army interpreter who killed herself after refusing to go along with torture techniques, to just average Joes who couldn't handle the war zone anymore.
The reason for the suicide surge has a lot to do with the multiple tours, of course. Then you have the lack of progress in Iraq for such a long period. Plus, with standards lowered, you have more people entering the military with mental or even criminal issues. Finally, the military appeared to not take this issue seriously for a long time, so I doubt that proper counseling was in place.
Then you have the high number of suicides here at home due to posttraumatic stress and other pressures. Just this past few week, we have witnessed revelations about a Veterans Administration "coverup" of the enormous numbers.
Stahl: What is your position on news blackouts during times of war? Are they ever justified and, if so, under what conditions?
Mitchell: There are a number of chapters in my book on the embedding program -- pro and con -- and lack of images of the true costs of the war appearing in our media. This latter deserves more attention.
The "coverup" has stretched from not showing the coffins of dead soldiers returning from the war to the media refusing to air graphic images of the dead and wounded. In some cases, the military has put up roadblocks, but in other cases the media, maybe a couple of days later than they had wished, still had the option of showing what happened. You can find the images on the Web and in the foreign press but rarely here at home. This is self-censorship in most cases.
Americans, at this late date, really don't have a strong handle on what the death and destruction really looks and feels like.
Stahl: In a survey three years ago of more than 200 journalists who covered Iraq, conducted by American University, many spoke about how their stories were routinely edited to have broader appeal to "Middle America." One reporter commented that this failure of media "will no doubt be repeated." Your response was: "Only if we allow it." Who are we, and how do we stop it?
Mitchell: Well, of course, I hope my book plays at least a small role, but the criticism of coverage that appears throughout much of the Web and blogosphere certainly needs to keep editors and reporters on their toes. There has been such a dramatic change in the past few years -- before that, almost all this scrutiny and pressure came from the right. I hate the growing partisanship in America, but this is one case where strong measures were needed and, thankfully, taken. Now we do see many more facts corrected and apologies offered, at least.
And certainly there has been plenty of tough-minded reporting from Iraq, and out of Washington -- just not nearly enough.
Stahl: What responsibility, if any, do newspaper editors and publishers bear for misreporting facts that take us into the battlefield?
Mitchell: Of course, they bear responsibility, but most have not even taken blame for their complicity in the war from the start. Everyone cites the so-called "apologies" from the New York Times and the Washington Post for their WMD reporting but, as my book shows, there were no such things.
It was quite telling that on the recent fifth anniversary of the start of the war, the media reassessed everything and pointed fingers everywhere, except at themselves. There was extremely little reviewing of the media's performance and little blame accepted. It was so blatant I found it shocking, which says a lot after all this time.
Stahl: In what you've called a "bombshell," the
Mitchell: It certainly seems to be embedded at Fox, in any case, and will probably remain so despite the Pentagon's recent announcement that the formal "media generals" propaganda plan had been put on hold. Too many in the media assume that someone who served in a high position in the military necessarily is an "expert" on war, or even the state of our military today.
But, just as importantly was the absence of countering "anti-war" voices on TV in the run-up to the war, and for years afterward, as my book shows. You see a little more of that voice now, but then again, 65 percent of all Americans want us out, so how could you not? But you still do not see two out of three pundits on TV, or in print, expressing that "anti-war" view -- it is still one-sided in the other direction, amazingly.
Stahl: There are a staggering 300,000 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the Rand Corp., who suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome and depression. And, in a recent letter to the New York Times, former Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, accused the mainstream media of vastly underreporting the numbers of vets who return from war injured or hurt. Your book ends with the grim reality of what you call "the surge in nonhostile deaths" of soldiers in Iraq, as well as what happens when veterans come home. Why the reluctance on the media's part to cover this story?
Mitchell: Simply, it's hard to cover and a "downer," but not that hard to cover and the kind of honest "bad news" that we need to give the public a true picture of continuing this war, both in human terms and the trillion-dollar price tag yet to come.
Stahl: One has the sense that "So Wrong for So Long" could be the first of a series of anthologies of your essays dealing with the folly of war. Bill Moyers, in an interview with you in the early days of the war, asked if you "have a sense that when the battle is over, this story's only begun?" How would you answer that question now?
Mitchell: Funny you should ask, I am just now contemplating a "sequel." Unfortunately, there is no chance that the war will end before it is published, though I will be happy to cancel the book if I am wrong.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 9, 2008 2:07 AM
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To portray the media as beguiled or mislead accomplishes exactly what they want, the excuse they really didn't know what was going on. From the reporters, to the line editors to the editorial board they knew the line, they knew the score. Knight Ridder was one exception but just about the only one. Curiously they didn't have ant real presence in Washington DC Newspapers. The NYT, Post, AP and all the major news networks were fully on board and embedded with the war propaganda.
The proof of this was the latest incident with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz where the public was left dangling while reports of a confrontation were streaming out of the Pentagon while the reports from the theatre were oddly missing. Again the Main Stream Media left the door open for another war. My only question is: Was Admiral Fallon fired for his decision not to engage?
The portrayal of the Main Stream Media or Congress as innocent or ignorant strikes me as being just a teentsy weentsy bit too pollyannish. They are bought and paid for. They play the game to get ahead and the promotions in the Main Stream Media prove it.
To this day they ignore or defend the indefensible. The Pentagon Pundit scandal promoted by Rumsfeld has been ignored even defended by the MSM. The Gaza story is treated like an act of nature not the persecution it is.
The Main Stream Media know exactly what they are doing ...
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Posted by: Moonray on May 9, 2008 3:11 AM
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During the Vietnam War the media were a fount of misinformation and propaganda that helped keep that sorry conflict going far too long. The same criticism applies to the media in every significant military adventure the U.S. has launched in recent years -- Grenada, Panama, the Persian Gulf War, the current Iraq war, Afghanistan and several other, lesser incidents.
There is no cure for it. The mainstream media are part of the Establishment and will always side with the Establishment over dissidents and other inconvenient truth-tellers. All we can do is fiercely guard our access to information, especially the Internet, and try to improve our primitive government and society as best we can.
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» Half the Media are Agents= Decepti-Cons!
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Posted by: williameon on May 9, 2008 4:25 AM
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Complicit in The Deceit
Guilty as charged.
Disseminators of
Totally Improper
PROPAGANDA!
Corporate
Deception and Delusion!
Separate Man from the machine.
Humans are people.
Corporations are Tools used by the Wealthy to subjugate the Poor.
Citizens have rights.
Machines have none.
Revoke their Licenses and
Dissolve their Charters
Break up
The FAUX MEDIA
One Channel in any market, period and
One market per Person
Take the profit out and put the Information back in.
This is about our Survival, Real Journalism,
America’s Future, Truth, Freedom and basic Human Rights.
Information is the life Blood of Democracy
Right now it is Poisoned by Foul mouthed Bigots
Spewing lies, misinformation and worse.
Death and DESTRUCTION!
How do they get away with it?
Who pays them Billions to tell Lies?
Follow the money, Honey and the rest is easy.
They’re Corpirate Hand Puppets.
They focus your attention on anything but
The TRUTH while
The Corporations get away with MURDER!
You built the System, paid for it with your Blood, Sweat and Tears yet,
They Control it!
They get everything for free.
While you drowning in grief and your being swept away in a tidal wave of debt
Works for them!
For you?
It Hurts.
Their Rovien Propaganda Ministry spins a Web of deceit
The Delusion that we live in a Free country run for and by The People.
It is a lie.
Nothing could be further from the TRUTH
We live in a FASCIST STUPID STATE
A BANANA REPUBLIC
With a petty Puppet DICTATOR
Where Politicians lie and The Media swears to it.
Garbage in, Garbage out!
End Corporate Hypocrisy now.
The World is going to Hell in a Hand Basket.
See any problems or similarities here?
We are the victims now!
The Chickens (hawks) have come Home to roost
Yet the Corporations take no credit for it
For any of the mess they’ve created with their
Unbridled Imperialism.
Why should they?
That is the Beauty of the plan.
The Plum/Patsy in the pudding
They always blame it on somebody else.
Meanwhile
The BU__! SH__! Gets even deeper and
Starts hitting the fan.
Take back the Airwaves.
And
FREE AMERICA
FIRST!
Start over.
Purge,
Update then
REBOOT!
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Posted by: LMNOP on May 9, 2008 5:32 AM
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But what passes for media in the US is not a passive medium. It is active. It is not only a filter of the news, it helps to create it.
What part of America isn't fraudulent?
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» Psychic reporters! I like it!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 9, 2008 5:50 AM
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But the media is their Weakest link- they not only thrive on attention, they are only Survive with attention from the Masses.Thus their archilles heel!As aperson who up to a year ago considered the computer nothing more tha a glorifid typewriter- I am now a true believer the internet is our last great avenue to defeat the Beast!The 'natives' are restless, hunger, tired and pissed and are setting their sights on the most frail of the riders. If they turn back now and start SINGING by turning States Evidence and turning over their well document evidence against the other three- they may get the immunity they surely hope for. Cave Adsum MSM - and the "I" represents the 'WE THE PEOPLE' (Your bread & butter).
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 9, 2008 6:15 AM
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most of media scribes are zionists and extremely bellicose.
but that 'duty' comes at a price. these people don't work for pennies; they earn accolades and megabucks.
let's not be apologetic ab. these mercenairies.
as far as i have been able to ascertain, media even now opposes the aggression on mere perceptions: it's falure, not enough planning, tactical losses, etc., and not on a principle of- necessary-truth that no land has the right to attack another land under no known circumstance.
corrollary arising out of this desirable premise being that only people who do crime do time and not children and civilians.
it should be up to the world court to issue warrant for arrest of any person (s) suspected of criminal behavior.
if such people don't give themselves up, put a ransom of $mns or bns and send specialists after them.
in case of saddam, who only had 6bn enemies, he would have been quickly either a dead meat or would have run to world court for protection.
but media didn't want saddam, it wanted real estate. thank u
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Posted by: JohnJlws on May 9, 2008 6:48 AM
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We first started purchasing cable when Gulf War I broke out. CNN had the coverage and we wanted it. Now I look at the buffoonery that is CNN and I rarely watch their coverage, preferring MSNBC or PBS, even though MSNBC has its own “let’s make shit up” division and PBS sometimes is inane. I haven't, however, written a letter or protested the crapola that constitutes CNN "News."
We, me and you, have to be more critical of the garbage we are fed. There was this parallel march to war as the Bush Administration began to beat the drums on Iran. Most MSM seemed to jump into the fray with both feet and at least held the drums and took over when Cheney got tired of hammering them. Then the intelligence community “leaked” the word: “hey, this is bigger bullshit than Iraq” and someone somewhere reported it and the drumbeats grew momentarily silent (they're buiding again by the way--call your Congressional reprsentatives, write letters to them, write letters to the editor).
Sites like Alternet and Huffington and the alternative channels give a biased view as well, but it’s a contrary view and I’ve found the view to be fairly accurate (but Christ don’t take the word of someone writing on a blog--determine the accuracy of this statement for yourself). We have great opportunities in our country, but these opportunities demand education. And they demand we stand up as one and say “Not this time” when stupid begins to be the order of the day.
65% to 70% of Americans believe we should no longer be in Iraq. 65% to 70%. Wow!
So, if this were truly the case, why are we still there?
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Posted by: Spock on May 9, 2008 7:06 AM
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Posted by: BST on May 9, 2008 7:19 AM
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on May 9, 2008 7:38 AM
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Posted by: kellysgarden on May 9, 2008 7:59 AM
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So I bacame convinced that WMD would never be found. I waited and watched anxiously after the shock and awe bombing to see if WMD would ever be found. But, the German media were vindicated.
Later, I read WEEKS ahead of the Abu Ghraib torture scandal in the German media. It was only later that the story broke here in USA. Obviously, the press new about it before Seymore Hirsch broke the story, but they kept quiet.
Then, my German friends emailed me to tell me that their media was reporting 9/11 to be an inside job. I at first reeled at that, but quickly decided that the German media had a 100% track record so far, and that I ought to look into the German allegations of 9/11.
Beyond the shadow of any doubt, our media is only pure propaganda. If the media of other countries has been so correct over the last 7 years, why in the world do we keep accepting the "intelligence failures" of our own media and pundits? When will we ever learn?
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Posted by: Gravitas on May 9, 2008 8:31 AM
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 9, 2008 9:08 AM
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but how many billionaires and multimillionaires oppose the occupation?
or it might be even better to ask, how many MSM people, generals, politicos, priests, 'educators', who represent the billionaires, oppose the occupation?
of the 65% who want US troops back home, 98% might be working class people.
and working class people have never participated in the governance of US. they just thought they did.
and things can get worse. the iron grip on america by the ruling class may even tighten.
let's note please that balloting is one of the least important structural member of any governance.
that includes also US' and canadian governances; structurally being similar; tho not identical. thank u.
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Posted by: marktab on May 9, 2008 9:16 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 9, 2008 9:23 AM
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But who runs the foundations that hold the purse strings for all the left-wing and right-wing nonprofit news outlets? What is their agenda?
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Posted by: sofla100 on May 9, 2008 9:38 AM
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Posted by: CatDad on May 9, 2008 10:55 AM
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Journalists who challenge "conventional wisdom" will suddenly find themselves cut off from information sources. Yes, there is freedom of speech in the USA....yet, if you are a journalist and you want a decent job, salary and some prestige...you had better not rock the boat...because if you do, you'll end up being a freelance journalist at some independent free city paper or being a blogger on the Internet....speaking the truth from your studio apartment in a decidedly unfashionable neighborhood.
Of course, if you want to regurgitate the "conventional wisdom, just emulate Chris Matthews...with three luxury cars and a nice big house.....Selling out has its rewards.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 9, 2008 10:56 AM
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Propaganda does have it's proper use in wartime. To confound and confuse the enemy, and provide him with misinformation. There's even a legitimate use in keeping up the morale of the troops and the folks at home.
The biggest problems with that today are that we're not at war, and that the misinformation is aimed at misleading the folks at home rather than the enemy.
The "enemy" knows the facts better than we do, and the lies our corporate media are telling us are designed not to keep up our morale, but to keep us scared.
Okay, I'm scared.
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Posted by: dipconsult on May 9, 2008 11:06 AM
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Besides owning a big hunk of Australian, British and US media (most notably of course, Fox TV) he owns The Weekly Standard, long the mouthpiece of the neo-conservative movement which, it is reported, Vice President Cheney liked to make sure was on the desk of key associates in the G W Bush Administration. Few people seem to realise that Mr. Murdoch , if not formally a 'neo-conservative', is their key 'fellow traveller'.
He has ruined our British press (e.g. see book "Good Times, Bad Times" by the last 'good Times' editor) and has big influence through his Sky News on our TV too. He continues to buy up US media - another purchase is on the cards right now. And that follows his purchase of The Wall Street Journal. His grip is on both popular and serious media - he is a proprietor who does not mind being known for controlling his editors,'bending' the news in blatant support for the lines he is peddling.
Urgently needed are far stricter rules limiting one owner's holdings of TV and press internationally as well as nationally.
Unfortunately circulation and audience figures so determine media profitability that even the best journalism can't buck the drive for profit: most humans just don't want to hear bad news about their own country and its incompetence, folly, and wickedness. So there's 'follow my leader'. And the leader all too often is Mr. Rupert Murdoch.
I speak as a Cassandra who twice reported from Vietnam (I was there in the year of the Tet with excellent Vietnamese (North and South), Vietnamese Chinese, and Cambodian sources from my 5 years in Indochina. The editor explained - sorry, but we had to spike your cables because your reporting clashed with our other material. My experience is typical: original reporting using impeccable sources is all too often spiked or downplayed because it clashes with the mainstream - a mainstream now even more controlled by government, using tame pundits(with government funded 'think tank' salaries), tame intelligence agents, tame generals, 'embedded' journalists etc.
I am also an Iraq Cassandra from September 2002 giving the reasons why an 'unauthorised' invasion of Iraq would all but certainly have disastrous worldwide consequences as well as likely to cause mayhem in fissiparous Iraq. Many far more eminent ex-diplomats and Middle East specialists were making the same points: possibly the most distiguished being Brent Scowcroft. But none got serious and continued front page notice. The 'regular' unsceptical media had no room for us - especially with the worldwide Murdoch empire baying for war!
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Reported Brent Scowcroft quote, on TV 2002 - "An invasion [of Iraq] could turn the whole region into a cauldron, and thus destroy the war on terror."
But the Bush/Blair White House/10 Downing Street cut themselves off from 'nay sayers' no matter how distinguished, while stepping up their own pro-war propaganda, notably with Mr. Murdoch's invaluable assistance.
For us Europeans with no vote, Mr. Obama is our great hope because he can see America from outside - ( see e.g. his remarkable foreign affairs statement in July/Aug 2007 Foreign Affairs). But what chance has he once the Murdoch machine really hots up against him? Fox has already shown what it can do to 'bash Obama' when it cashed in that maverick pastor's egregious remarks.
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Posted by: arclight7 on May 9, 2008 11:44 AM
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Posted by: fearn on May 9, 2008 12:32 PM
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And then:
“I wrote some stories that made me realise how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job. It turned out to have nothing to do with it. The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."
Award-winning US journalist Gary Webb, who's career was terminated by elite media and government smears when he did write something important enough to suppress. He subsequently committed suicide.
Info from MediaLens
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Posted by: EagleX on May 9, 2008 2:32 PM
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Harvard Study
UCLA Study
of course, when have Progressives ever acknowledged the veracity of serious academic research (from progressive universities!!!) when it contradicts their flawed view of reality.
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» May I add, Mr Holland...
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» citing media matters is "objective" ??? while i cite harvard, pew, UCLA, ny times, et al
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» Neocons, of course, have peculiar definitions...
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Posted by: EagleX on May 9, 2008 2:53 PM
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journalists, of which I hope I’m counted as one,
leave our bias at the side of the table. Now it is
true, historically in the media, it has been more of
a liberal persuasion for many years. It has taken
us a long time, too long in my view, to have
vigorous conservative voices heard as widely in
the media as they now are. And so I think yes, on
occasion, there is a liberal instinct in the media
which we need to keep our eye on, if you will.”
— ABC anchor Peter Jennings on CNN’s Larry
King Live, April 10, 2002.
“There is a liberal bias. It’s demonstrable. You
look at some statistics. About 85 percent of the
reporters who cover the White House vote
Democratic, they have for a long time. There is a,
particularly at the networks, at the lower levels,
among the editors and the so-called infra-structure,
there is a liberal bias....[Then-ABC
White House reporter] Brit Hume’s bosses are
liberal and they’re always quietly denouncing
him as being a right-wing nut.”
— Newsweek’s Evan Thomas on Inside
Washington, May 12, 1996.
— New Republic Senior Editor Hendrik
Hertzberg, March 9, 1992 issue.
“Coverage of the [1992] campaign vindicated
exactly what conservatives have been saying for
years about liberal bias in the media. In their
defense, journalists say that though they may
have their personal opinions, as professionals
they are able to correct for them when they write.
Sounds nice, but I’m not buying any.”
— Former Newsweek reporter Jacob Weisberg
in The New Republic, November 23, 1992.
“Everybody knows that there’s a liberal, that
there’s a heavy liberal persuasion among
correspondents.....Anybody who has to live with
the people, who covers police stations, covers
county courts, brought up that way, has to have
a degree of humanity that people who do not
have that exposure don’t have, and some people
interpret that to be liberal. It’s not a liberal, it’s
humanitarian and that’s a vastly different thing.”
— Former CBS Evening News anchor Walter
Cronkite at the March 21, 1996 Radio & TV
Correspondents Dinner.
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Posted by: The Old Hippie on May 9, 2008 4:01 PM
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The headline should read...
Our Media Have Been So “purposefully” Wrong for So Long
...as it is much more accurate, right?
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The Old Hippie's Groovy Blog
“Frivolous Names - Serious Content”
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Posted by: EagleX on May 9, 2008 5:17 PM
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rightwing" NYTimes reports liberal media bias
I am eagerly awaiting the next step for those that expose liberal hypocrisy and bias as proof of the veracity of my assertions.
censorship.
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Posted by: EagleX on May 10, 2008 7:58 AM
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While, I have posted objective,independent, and rational sources to support my assertion that the media is unabashedly liberal. All of the opposition posts have been unsupported opinion and ad hominen attacks, like the one above.
Stay focused Turiye.
My former service as a Marine NCO is irrelevant to the debate.
However, the objective, independent, and rational sources I have cited to support my assertion of extreme liberal bias in the media is relevant. More importantly, note that I have not discredited my assertion by posting from conservative sources, on the other hand bloggers like joshua holland, crazy H, et al have throughly discredited their assertions by citing "data" from fringe progressive op-ed sources.
remember, I came here looking for knowledge and hoping to spread knowledge and found nothing but malice, ignorance, and intellectual rigidity.
I am moving on, I hope you guys become more tolerant and less rigid in your thinking, peace out:
NYTimes report on liberal bias in the media
Journalism.org research on liberal bias in the media
Harvard research on liberal bias in the media
UCLA research on liberal bias in the media
Pew research on liberal bias in the media
Journalism.org research on liberal bias in the media
MSNBC report on liberal bias in the media
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 10, 2008 8:03 AM
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in canadian MSM, balfour declaration of '17. to my knowledge, appeared only once.
that not a single afghan had up to date hurt any canadian, had never been reported.
gulf of tonkin incident was reported as a fact.
"jews could and did make desert bloom"; implying, pals/arabs couldn't.
'67 aggression by israel is still a "defensive" war.
"israel had been created" (by god's will?)
that US had over a century or longer invaded dozens of lands, may have not ever appeared in canadian or US media.
folks, remember that US/canadian media often or always showed only fat russian peasant women?
but not any longer! for obvious reasons.
canadian media approbate collective punishment.
"israel always retaliates"; "has the right to defend herself"; pals always attack and thus couldn't possibly be defending themselves.
one could go on and on citing obvious lies but i desist.
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Posted by: rossbcan on May 11, 2008 5:04 AM
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Learn to THINK
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 12, 2008 6:07 PM
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What Murdoch did ,was to turn The Sun,into a propaganda organ for the extremist political leader Margaret Thatcher.Most recently it has offered jingoistic support for the Iraq war,and presented the view,that to be patriotic,a person must support the slaughter in Iraq.In fact all of Murdoch's propaganda sheets had a strong line of supporting this war.
This semed to be made up of the following elements.1)"Our boy's"ie the armed forces must have your total support at all times 2)To question the war,means you berate the sacrifice,of military personnel.3)All alternative views,re this war,are ignored and ridiculed .4)Anti-war groups,are seen as appeasers,akin to Chamberlain,who of course ,sought peace in our time,when meeting with Adolf Hitler,prior to the nazi's invasion of Poland.Appeasers are also caricatured as bearded,lazy,muddle headed fools.5)America is our natural ally..meaning "right wing America ,is our ally".6)Evidence relating to relations between Bush/Rumsfeld and Saddam/Taleban were never once mentioned,A history was created. Stalin would have been proud .
The pro-Bush agenda of course,reflected Murdoch's ambition to spread his aim to align the UK with the ,freemarket ,aspect of the USA.
I was unfortunate to hear views expressed on the streets,that to question the US administration ,and the war,was to be unpatriotic to Britain.
Sadly few Sun readers,questioned Murdoch's own patriotic credentials,as a man quick to ditch his Australian citizenship,to conveniently become American,for business purposes.
Sun headline s were lurid "45 minutes to destruction",was one of the worst,as The Sun followed that bogus claim.Sadly the once strong British working class,is no longer insulated ,from such propaganda,(by the culture of strong union's and a labourist/socialist outlook) ,were whipped into line by strong,simplistic ,bogusly patriotic,propaganda.
Certainly in the UK,the full weight of Government was leant onto all newspaper owners/editors. B-liar and his crony Alistair Campbell used a mixture of stick and carrot,to bring even the more progressive editors into line..ie even the progressive Sunday newspaper The Observor,backed the whole war line.
Even when wmd's weren't found,the more right wing press (which is the majority ,in Neo-Thatcherite Britain),the ground would shift.Here the emphasis would be put on the "Liberating the Iraqi people"message.
We are at war with Eurasia ,we have always been at war with Eurasia.(George Orwell 1984).
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on May 13, 2008 10:16 PM
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What galls me is to see advertisement on public TV and radio. They are being infected. That is the right word. It is an infection on the body politic.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 9, 2008 2:07 AM
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To portray the media as beguiled or mislead accomplishes exactly what they want, the excuse they really didn't know what was going on. From the reporters, to the line editors to the editorial board they knew the line, they knew the score. Knight Ridder was one exception but just about the only one. Curiously they didn't have ant real presence in Washington DC Newspapers. The NYT, Post, AP and all the major news networks were fully on board and embedded with the war propaganda.
The proof of this was the latest incident with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz where the public was left dangling while reports of a confrontation were streaming out of the Pentagon while the reports from the theatre were oddly missing. Again the Main Stream Media left the door open for another war. My only question is: Was Admiral Fallon fired for his decision not to engage?
The portrayal of the Main Stream Media or Congress as innocent or ignorant strikes me as being just a teentsy weentsy bit too pollyannish. They are bought and paid for. They play the game to get ahead and the promotions in the Main Stream Media prove it.
To this day they ignore or defend the indefensible. The Pentagon Pundit scandal promoted by Rumsfeld has been ignored even defended by the MSM. The Gaza story is treated like an act of nature not the persecution it is.
The Main Stream Media know exactly what they are doing ...
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Posted by: Moonray on May 9, 2008 3:11 AM
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During the Vietnam War the media were a fount of misinformation and propaganda that helped keep that sorry conflict going far too long. The same criticism applies to the media in every significant military adventure the U.S. has launched in recent years -- Grenada, Panama, the Persian Gulf War, the current Iraq war, Afghanistan and several other, lesser incidents.
There is no cure for it. The mainstream media are part of the Establishment and will always side with the Establishment over dissidents and other inconvenient truth-tellers. All we can do is fiercely guard our access to information, especially the Internet, and try to improve our primitive government and society as best we can.
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Posted by: williameon on May 9, 2008 4:25 AM
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Complicit in The Deceit
Guilty as charged.
Disseminators of
Totally Improper
PROPAGANDA!
Corporate
Deception and Delusion!
Separate Man from the machine.
Humans are people.
Corporations are Tools used by the Wealthy to subjugate the Poor.
Citizens have rights.
Machines have none.
Revoke their Licenses and
Dissolve their Charters
Break up
The FAUX MEDIA
One Channel in any market, period and
One market per Person
Take the profit out and put the Information back in.
This is about our Survival, Real Journalism,
America’s Future, Truth, Freedom and basic Human Rights.
Information is the life Blood of Democracy
Right now it is Poisoned by Foul mouthed Bigots
Spewing lies, misinformation and worse.
Death and DESTRUCTION!
How do they get away with it?
Who pays them Billions to tell Lies?
Follow the money, Honey and the rest is easy.
They’re Corpirate Hand Puppets.
They focus your attention on anything but
The TRUTH while
The Corporations get away with MURDER!
You built the System, paid for it with your Blood, Sweat and Tears yet,
They Control it!
They get everything for free.
While you drowning in grief and your being swept away in a tidal wave of debt
Works for them!
For you?
It Hurts.
Their Rovien Propaganda Ministry spins a Web of deceit
The Delusion that we live in a Free country run for and by The People.
It is a lie.
Nothing could be further from the TRUTH
We live in a FASCIST STUPID STATE
A BANANA REPUBLIC
With a petty Puppet DICTATOR
Where Politicians lie and The Media swears to it.
Garbage in, Garbage out!
End Corporate Hypocrisy now.
The World is going to Hell in a Hand Basket.
See any problems or similarities here?
We are the victims now!
The Chickens (hawks) have come Home to roost
Yet the Corporations take no credit for it
For any of the mess they’ve created with their
Unbridled Imperialism.
Why should they?
That is the Beauty of the plan.
The Plum/Patsy in the pudding
They always blame it on somebody else.
Meanwhile
The BU__! SH__! Gets even deeper and
Starts hitting the fan.
Take back the Airwaves.
And
FREE AMERICA
FIRST!
Start over.
Purge,
Update then
REBOOT!
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Posted by: LMNOP on May 9, 2008 5:32 AM
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But what passes for media in the US is not a passive medium. It is active. It is not only a filter of the news, it helps to create it.
What part of America isn't fraudulent?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 9, 2008 5:50 AM
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But the media is their Weakest link- they not only thrive on attention, they are only Survive with attention from the Masses.Thus their archilles heel!As aperson who up to a year ago considered the computer nothing more tha a glorifid typewriter- I am now a true believer the internet is our last great avenue to defeat the Beast!The 'natives' are restless, hunger, tired and pissed and are setting their sights on the most frail of the riders. If they turn back now and start SINGING by turning States Evidence and turning over their well document evidence against the other three- they may get the immunity they surely hope for. Cave Adsum MSM - and the "I" represents the 'WE THE PEOPLE' (Your bread & butter).
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 9, 2008 6:15 AM
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most of media scribes are zionists and extremely bellicose.
but that 'duty' comes at a price. these people don't work for pennies; they earn accolades and megabucks.
let's not be apologetic ab. these mercenairies.
as far as i have been able to ascertain, media even now opposes the aggression on mere perceptions: it's falure, not enough planning, tactical losses, etc., and not on a principle of- necessary-truth that no land has the right to attack another land under no known circumstance.
corrollary arising out of this desirable premise being that only people who do crime do time and not children and civilians.
it should be up to the world court to issue warrant for arrest of any person (s) suspected of criminal behavior.
if such people don't give themselves up, put a ransom of $mns or bns and send specialists after them.
in case of saddam, who only had 6bn enemies, he would have been quickly either a dead meat or would have run to world court for protection.
but media didn't want saddam, it wanted real estate. thank u
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Posted by: JohnJlws on May 9, 2008 6:48 AM
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We first started purchasing cable when Gulf War I broke out. CNN had the coverage and we wanted it. Now I look at the buffoonery that is CNN and I rarely watch their coverage, preferring MSNBC or PBS, even though MSNBC has its own “let’s make shit up” division and PBS sometimes is inane. I haven't, however, written a letter or protested the crapola that constitutes CNN "News."
We, me and you, have to be more critical of the garbage we are fed. There was this parallel march to war as the Bush Administration began to beat the drums on Iran. Most MSM seemed to jump into the fray with both feet and at least held the drums and took over when Cheney got tired of hammering them. Then the intelligence community “leaked” the word: “hey, this is bigger bullshit than Iraq” and someone somewhere reported it and the drumbeats grew momentarily silent (they're buiding again by the way--call your Congressional reprsentatives, write letters to them, write letters to the editor).
Sites like Alternet and Huffington and the alternative channels give a biased view as well, but it’s a contrary view and I’ve found the view to be fairly accurate (but Christ don’t take the word of someone writing on a blog--determine the accuracy of this statement for yourself). We have great opportunities in our country, but these opportunities demand education. And they demand we stand up as one and say “Not this time” when stupid begins to be the order of the day.
65% to 70% of Americans believe we should no longer be in Iraq. 65% to 70%. Wow!
So, if this were truly the case, why are we still there?
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Posted by: kellysgarden on May 9, 2008 7:59 AM
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So I bacame convinced that WMD would never be found. I waited and watched anxiously after the shock and awe bombing to see if WMD would ever be found. But, the German media were vindicated.
Later, I read WEEKS ahead of the Abu Ghraib torture scandal in the German media. It was only later that the story broke here in USA. Obviously, the press new about it before Seymore Hirsch broke the story, but they kept quiet.
Then, my German friends emailed me to tell me that their media was reporting 9/11 to be an inside job. I at first reeled at that, but quickly decided that the German media had a 100% track record so far, and that I ought to look into the German allegations of 9/11.
Beyond the shadow of any doubt, our media is only pure propaganda. If the media of other countries has been so correct over the last 7 years, why in the world do we keep accepting the "intelligence failures" of our own media and pundits? When will we ever learn?
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Posted by: bozhidar on May 9, 2008 9:08 AM
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but how many billionaires and multimillionaires oppose the occupation?
or it might be even better to ask, how many MSM people, generals, politicos, priests, 'educators', who represent the billionaires, oppose the occupation?
of the 65% who want US troops back home, 98% might be working class people.
and working class people have never participated in the governance of US. they just thought they did.
and things can get worse. the iron grip on america by the ruling class may even tighten.
let's note please that balloting is one of the least important structural member of any governance.
that includes also US' and canadian governances; structurally being similar; tho not identical. thank u.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 9, 2008 9:23 AM
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But who runs the foundations that hold the purse strings for all the left-wing and right-wing nonprofit news outlets? What is their agenda?
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Posted by: CatDad on May 9, 2008 10:55 AM
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Journalists who challenge "conventional wisdom" will suddenly find themselves cut off from information sources. Yes, there is freedom of speech in the USA....yet, if you are a journalist and you want a decent job, salary and some prestige...you had better not rock the boat...because if you do, you'll end up being a freelance journalist at some independent free city paper or being a blogger on the Internet....speaking the truth from your studio apartment in a decidedly unfashionable neighborhood.
Of course, if you want to regurgitate the "conventional wisdom, just emulate Chris Matthews...with three luxury cars and a nice big house.....Selling out has its rewards.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 9, 2008 10:56 AM
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Propaganda does have it's proper use in wartime. To confound and confuse the enemy, and provide him with misinformation. There's even a legitimate use in keeping up the morale of the troops and the folks at home.
The biggest problems with that today are that we're not at war, and that the misinformation is aimed at misleading the folks at home rather than the enemy.
The "enemy" knows the facts better than we do, and the lies our corporate media are telling us are designed not to keep up our morale, but to keep us scared.
Okay, I'm scared.
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Posted by: dipconsult on May 9, 2008 11:06 AM
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Besides owning a big hunk of Australian, British and US media (most notably of course, Fox TV) he owns The Weekly Standard, long the mouthpiece of the neo-conservative movement which, it is reported, Vice President Cheney liked to make sure was on the desk of key associates in the G W Bush Administration. Few people seem to realise that Mr. Murdoch , if not formally a 'neo-conservative', is their key 'fellow traveller'.
He has ruined our British press (e.g. see book "Good Times, Bad Times" by the last 'good Times' editor) and has big influence through his Sky News on our TV too. He continues to buy up US media - another purchase is on the cards right now. And that follows his purchase of The Wall Street Journal. His grip is on both popular and serious media - he is a proprietor who does not mind being known for controlling his editors,'bending' the news in blatant support for the lines he is peddling.
Urgently needed are far stricter rules limiting one owner's holdings of TV and press internationally as well as nationally.
Unfortunately circulation and audience figures so determine media profitability that even the best journalism can't buck the drive for profit: most humans just don't want to hear bad news about their own country and its incompetence, folly, and wickedness. So there's 'follow my leader'. And the leader all too often is Mr. Rupert Murdoch.
I speak as a Cassandra who twice reported from Vietnam (I was there in the year of the Tet with excellent Vietnamese (North and South), Vietnamese Chinese, and Cambodian sources from my 5 years in Indochina. The editor explained - sorry, but we had to spike your cables because your reporting clashed with our other material. My experience is typical: original reporting using impeccable sources is all too often spiked or downplayed because it clashes with the mainstream - a mainstream now even more controlled by government, using tame pundits(with government funded 'think tank' salaries), tame intelligence agents, tame generals, 'embedded' journalists etc.
I am also an Iraq Cassandra from September 2002 giving the reasons why an 'unauthorised' invasion of Iraq would all but certainly have disastrous worldwide consequences as well as likely to cause mayhem in fissiparous Iraq. Many far more eminent ex-diplomats and Middle East specialists were making the same points: possibly the most distiguished being Brent Scowcroft. But none got serious and continued front page notice. The 'regular' unsceptical media had no room for us - especially with the worldwide Murdoch empire baying for war!
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Reported Brent Scowcroft quote, on TV 2002 - "An invasion [of Iraq] could turn the whole region into a cauldron, and thus destroy the war on terror."
But the Bush/Blair White House/10 Downing Street cut themselves off from 'nay sayers' no matter how distinguished, while stepping up their own pro-war propaganda, notably with Mr. Murdoch's invaluable assistance.
For us Europeans with no vote, Mr. Obama is our great hope because he can see America from outside - ( see e.g. his remarkable foreign affairs statement in July/Aug 2007 Foreign Affairs). But what chance has he once the Murdoch machine really hots up against him? Fox has already shown what it can do to 'bash Obama' when it cashed in that maverick pastor's egregious remarks.
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And then:
“I wrote some stories that made me realise how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job. It turned out to have nothing to do with it. The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."
Award-winning US journalist Gary Webb, who's career was terminated by elite media and government smears when he did write something important enough to suppress. He subsequently committed suicide.
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Harvard Study
UCLA Study
of course, when have Progressives ever acknowledged the veracity of serious academic research (from progressive universities!!!) when it contradicts their flawed view of reality.
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Posted by: EagleX on May 9, 2008 2:53 PM
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journalists, of which I hope I’m counted as one,
leave our bias at the side of the table. Now it is
true, historically in the media, it has been more of
a liberal persuasion for many years. It has taken
us a long time, too long in my view, to have
vigorous conservative voices heard as widely in
the media as they now are. And so I think yes, on
occasion, there is a liberal instinct in the media
which we need to keep our eye on, if you will.”
— ABC anchor Peter Jennings on CNN’s Larry
King Live, April 10, 2002.
“There is a liberal bias. It’s demonstrable. You
look at some statistics. About 85 percent of the
reporters who cover the White House vote
Democratic, they have for a long time. There is a,
particularly at the networks, at the lower levels,
among the editors and the so-called infra-structure,
there is a liberal bias....[Then-ABC
White House reporter] Brit Hume’s bosses are
liberal and they’re always quietly denouncing
him as being a right-wing nut.”
— Newsweek’s Evan Thomas on Inside
Washington, May 12, 1996.
— New Republic Senior Editor Hendrik
Hertzberg, March 9, 1992 issue.
“Coverage of the [1992] campaign vindicated
exactly what conservatives have been saying for
years about liberal bias in the media. In their
defense, journalists say that though they may
have their personal opinions, as professionals
they are able to correct for them when they write.
Sounds nice, but I’m not buying any.”
— Former Newsweek reporter Jacob Weisberg
in The New Republic, November 23, 1992.
“Everybody knows that there’s a liberal, that
there’s a heavy liberal persuasion among
correspondents.....Anybody who has to live with
the people, who covers police stations, covers
county courts, brought up that way, has to have
a degree of humanity that people who do not
have that exposure don’t have, and some people
interpret that to be liberal. It’s not a liberal, it’s
humanitarian and that’s a vastly different thing.”
— Former CBS Evening News anchor Walter
Cronkite at the March 21, 1996 Radio & TV
Correspondents Dinner.
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The headline should read...
Our Media Have Been So “purposefully” Wrong for So Long
...as it is much more accurate, right?
Mike - - The Old Hippie at. . .
The Old Hippie's Groovy Site
The Old Hippie's Groovy Blog
“Frivolous Names - Serious Content”
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rightwing" NYTimes reports liberal media bias
I am eagerly awaiting the next step for those that expose liberal hypocrisy and bias as proof of the veracity of my assertions.
censorship.
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While, I have posted objective,independent, and rational sources to support my assertion that the media is unabashedly liberal. All of the opposition posts have been unsupported opinion and ad hominen attacks, like the one above.
Stay focused Turiye.
My former service as a Marine NCO is irrelevant to the debate.
However, the objective, independent, and rational sources I have cited to support my assertion of extreme liberal bias in the media is relevant. More importantly, note that I have not discredited my assertion by posting from conservative sources, on the other hand bloggers like joshua holland, crazy H, et al have throughly discredited their assertions by citing "data" from fringe progressive op-ed sources.
remember, I came here looking for knowledge and hoping to spread knowledge and found nothing but malice, ignorance, and intellectual rigidity.
I am moving on, I hope you guys become more tolerant and less rigid in your thinking, peace out:
NYTimes report on liberal bias in the media
Journalism.org research on liberal bias in the media
Harvard research on liberal bias in the media
UCLA research on liberal bias in the media
Pew research on liberal bias in the media
Journalism.org research on liberal bias in the media
MSNBC report on liberal bias in the media
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in canadian MSM, balfour declaration of '17. to my knowledge, appeared only once.
that not a single afghan had up to date hurt any canadian, had never been reported.
gulf of tonkin incident was reported as a fact.
"jews could and did make desert bloom"; implying, pals/arabs couldn't.
'67 aggression by israel is still a "defensive" war.
"israel had been created" (by god's will?)
that US had over a century or longer invaded dozens of lands, may have not ever appeared in canadian or US media.
folks, remember that US/canadian media often or always showed only fat russian peasant women?
but not any longer! for obvious reasons.
canadian media approbate collective punishment.
"israel always retaliates"; "has the right to defend herself"; pals always attack and thus couldn't possibly be defending themselves.
one could go on and on citing obvious lies but i desist.
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Learn to THINK
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What Murdoch did ,was to turn The Sun,into a propaganda organ for the extremist political leader Margaret Thatcher.Most recently it has offered jingoistic support for the Iraq war,and presented the view,that to be patriotic,a person must support the slaughter in Iraq.In fact all of Murdoch's propaganda sheets had a strong line of supporting this war.
This semed to be made up of the following elements.1)"Our boy's"ie the armed forces must have your total support at all times 2)To question the war,means you berate the sacrifice,of military personnel.3)All alternative views,re this war,are ignored and ridiculed .4)Anti-war groups,are seen as appeasers,akin to Chamberlain,who of course ,sought peace in our time,when meeting with Adolf Hitler,prior to the nazi's invasion of Poland.Appeasers are also caricatured as bearded,lazy,muddle headed fools.5)America is our natural ally..meaning "right wing America ,is our ally".6)Evidence relating to relations between Bush/Rumsfeld and Saddam/Taleban were never once mentioned,A history was created. Stalin would have been proud .
The pro-Bush agenda of course,reflected Murdoch's ambition to spread his aim to align the UK with the ,freemarket ,aspect of the USA.
I was unfortunate to hear views expressed on the streets,that to question the US administration ,and the war,was to be unpatriotic to Britain.
Sadly few Sun readers,questioned Murdoch's own patriotic credentials,as a man quick to ditch his Australian citizenship,to conveniently become American,for business purposes.
Sun headline s were lurid "45 minutes to destruction",was one of the worst,as The Sun followed that bogus claim.Sadly the once strong British working class,is no longer insulated ,from such propaganda,(by the culture of strong union's and a labourist/socialist outlook) ,were whipped into line by strong,simplistic ,bogusly patriotic,propaganda.
Certainly in the UK,the full weight of Government was leant onto all newspaper owners/editors. B-liar and his crony Alistair Campbell used a mixture of stick and carrot,to bring even the more progressive editors into line..ie even the progressive Sunday newspaper The Observor,backed the whole war line.
Even when wmd's weren't found,the more right wing press (which is the majority ,in Neo-Thatcherite Britain),the ground would shift.Here the emphasis would be put on the "Liberating the Iraqi people"message.
We are at war with Eurasia ,we have always been at war with Eurasia.(George Orwell 1984).
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What galls me is to see advertisement on public TV and radio. They are being infected. That is the right word. It is an infection on the body politic.
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