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The Media Repeats Stream of Lies About Obama

By Ari Berman, The Nation. Posted March 13, 2008.


He's been defended by AIPAC on his Israel views, made it clear that he's Christian, yet the media keeps swallowing right-wing lies.
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He's a Muslim. He was sworn into office on the Koran. He doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. His pastor is an anti-Semite. He's a tool of Louis Farrakhan. He's anti-Israel. His advisers are anti-Israel. He's friends with terrorists. The terrorists want him to win. He's the Antichrist.

By now you've probably seen at least some of these e-mails and articles about Barack Obama bouncing around the Internet. They distort Obama's religious faith, question his support for Israel, warp the identity and positions of his campaign advisers and defame his friends and allies from Chicago. The purpose of the smear is to paint him as an Arab-loving, Israel-hating, terrorist-coddling, radical black nationalist. That picture couldn't be further from the truth, but you'd be surprised how many people have fallen for it. The American Jewish community, one of the most important pillars of the Democratic Party and US politics, has been specifically targeted [see Eric Alterman's column in the March 24 issue, "(Some) Jews Against Obama"]. What started as a largely overlooked fringe attack has been thrust into the mainstream -- used as GOP talking points, pushed by the Clinton campaign, echoed by the likes of Meet the Press host Tim Russert. Falsehoods are repeated as fact, and bits of evidence become "elaborate constructions of malicious fantasy," as the Jewish Week, America's largest Jewish newspaper, editorialized.

What floods into one's inbox these days bears little or no relation to Obama's record. "Some of my earliest and most ardent supporters came from the Jewish community in Chicago," he has said. Obama ran for the Senate promising to help reconstitute the black-Jewish civil rights coalition. His first foreign policy speech of the campaign was before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), where he pledged "clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel." He has occasionally angered pro-Israel hawks by urging direct negotiations with Iran and Syria, but Obama's foreign policy record is well within the Democratic Party mainstream. He's committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians, supported Israel's incursion into Lebanon in 2006 and has criticized Hamas. During his campaign for the presidency, Obama has been defended by AIPAC, the neoconservative New York Sun and The New Republic's Marty Peretz, a noted Israel hawk. And yet no defense of Israel by Obama -- or of Obama by the pro-Israel establishment -- seems to be enough. "When one charge is disproved, another is leveled," says Rabbi Jack Moline, who leads a synagogue in Alexandria, Virginia.

It's nearly impossible to decipher where the smears originated [for a comprehensive account of how such campaigns are generated and spread in the age of the Internet and e-mail, see Christopher Hayes, "The New Right-Wing Smear Machine," November 12, 2007]. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency traced one e-mail back 200 people before it stopped with a filmmaker in Tel Aviv who didn't receive a return address. "No one knows if it's the Clintons, a rogue agent or a Rove agent," says Congressman Steve Cohen, a Jewish Obama backer who represents a largely black district in Memphis. Likely it's a combination of the three.

We may not know who started the smears, but we do know who's amplifying them. The "Obama is a Muslim" rumor began in the fringe conservative blogosphere. "Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim," blogger Debbie Schlussel wrote on December 18, 2006. Schlussel had a history of inflammatory rhetoric and baseless accusations. She said journalist Jill Carroll, who was kidnapped by Iraqi insurgents in 2006, "hates America" and "hates Israel"; labeled George Soros a "fake Holocaust survivor"; and speculated that Pakistani terrorists were somehow to blame for last year's shootings at Virginia Tech. Yet her post on Obama gained traction; one month later, the Washington Times's Insight magazine alleged that Obama had attended "a so-called Madrassa" and was a secret Muslim.


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Ari Berman is a contributing writer for The Nation, covering national politics and the 2008 election, and an Investigative Journalism Fellow at The Nation Institute. Research support for this article was provided by The Nation Institute's Puffin Foundation Investigative Fund. Click here to read it at The Nation's site.

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They were going to do this on any Democratic nominee. Israel lacks a middle class as it is.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 13, 2008 3:40 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Israel and America are going to have to come to grips with the cold hard truth that there is no such thing as winning a war on terrorism. Wars cause terrorism in the first place.

As for Obama, let's see if he and his party will fight these same old culture war charges out by fighting for progressive populism. The Corporate Media is a friend of Al Quaida, America's creation. If the Democrats haven't learned their lessons from 1988, 2000, and 2004, they might as well lose and perish in the process. America needs a firm progressive movement, not another set of dysfunctional me-toos.

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I don't like Obama, because I consider him a demagogue
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 13, 2008 3:54 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But an "anti-Semite" and a "Muslim"?

That's slander. It's that simple.

But then, consider the source. Right-wing nuts are anything but above slander. Just ask Al Gore or John Kerry.

If I were Mr. Obama, I would fight such charges tooth-and-nail.

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» RE: I don't like Obama either Posted by: jeffersonian
» RE: Uh-uh Posted by: Longdream
» So many smears Check this out. Posted by: Verjenie
If Obama and his supporters think that being a muslim is a liability
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 13, 2008 4:03 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
then I'm all for wingnuts to swiftboat his campaign.

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» Thanks, Blink Posted by: joeunix
» I appreciate your honesty Posted by: Blink
» RE: Wow! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Wow! Posted by: joeunix
With Friends like these...
Posted by: al.hamilton on Mar 13, 2008 4:35 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It seems that most of the Obama=muslim rhetoric has been coming from Hillary and her surrogates.
Mccain and the right wing conspirators have been relatively benign in this aspect. I'm sure it will change if Obama secures the nominations.

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» PLEASE STOP LYING Posted by: Verjenie
» RE: NOBODY'S LYING. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: OOOOH! Posted by: Longdream
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Posted by: ShoShenQ on Mar 13, 2008 5:38 PM   
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it wouldnt surprise me that Hillary is behind this mudslinging.

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» RE: . Posted by: data23
Flash cards and hand puppets
Posted by: fbc21ca on Mar 13, 2008 5:47 PM   
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This is probably the #1 thing he has to fight.

Conventional wisdom to the contrary, he is getting NO help from the mainstream media.

By the way, did you see the Reuters story that says the majority of Americans *don't read* political blogs? I don't know if it's true, but it squares with my instinct -- that the progressive online world operates in an echo chamber.

This battle will be won on television and in the pages of the National Enquirer (who just ran another Obama smear article).

I think it can be won, but perhaps only at the protozoan level. Maybe Obama should employ a series of flash cards or a hand puppet.

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» RE: Uh uh Posted by: Longdream
» Blogs Posted by: kokiss
» RE: Blogs Posted by: SkeeterVT1
Oh, yeah -- Obama's a Christian
Posted by: Blink on Mar 13, 2008 6:32 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We know that by listening to excerpts of taped sermons by his "spiritual leader" and "pastor."

Unadulterated bile and hate from a lunatic.

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» hmmm, sounds like you are the one.. Posted by: voicefromafar
A lesson in how to make the ugly even uglier.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 13, 2008 7:24 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Fill a 5000 word article with facts about horrendous slander from right wing nuts but scatter in some accusations, only a dozen words maybe, that his legitimate opponent approves of such slander. I might as well watch Fox News as read AlterNet.

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If Obama supports Israel then he is just as worthless as others.
Posted by: fonn on Mar 13, 2008 9:41 PM   
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Of course you cannot win an american election if you tell the truth about israel, that it was criminally created at an enormous cost to the palestinian people. The question is: is Obama faking it or is he really for israel? If he is faking it, then he has my respect. If not, then he can take a hike. Can you believe it, that america is the only country in the world which considers the interests of another country as more important than its own interests!

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Since when does Alternet think Christianity is a good thing?
Posted by: Blink on Mar 14, 2008 2:40 AM   
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I don't think I've ever read one Alternet article in defense of Christianity. In fact, it's quite the contrary, as Alternet regularly publishes articles excoriating Christianity and mocking Christians (at least, white Christians). Alternet also publishes articles in defense of Islam. So why is it now a good thing that Obama is a Christian?

Besides, is he really a Christian? No Christian I know would have belonged for 20 years to the kind of church Obama belonged to and listened to the kind of pure, unadulterated hate that spewed from its so-called "pastor."

Obama is living a dual life -- one where he presents himself as a secular messiah over whom grown women swoon (what morons), and another that he keeps hidden and that the dry-stream media refuses to press him on. We get glimpses into that hidden life by the comments his wife makes when her guard is down and by listening to the words of his "spiritual" advisor, the crazed black racist who performed his wedding ceremony and baptised his children.

This man does not represent the "audacity of hope" (which is an illogical phrase anyway) or an optimistic future. He represents the audacity of hate, a throw-back to a time that pre-dates the civil rights era.

This man is a charlatan, an empty suit who can't stand criticism or scrutiny and who has zero qualifications for being the President of the U.S.

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» Hatchet Job Posted by: herbal
» Racist to call him Black Posted by: kokiss
» Love the ad hominems Posted by: Blink
» RE: Glad to oblige. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Hatchet Job Posted by: SekhmetsatRa
» RE: Hatchet Job Posted by: Ellie F.
» Are you sure... Posted by: Bbear41
» RE: Blink and you miss it Posted by: gazooks
» Gazooks has it nailed. Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: OH, ME! Posted by: Longdream
Obama needs to challenge Israel policy
Posted by: herbal on Mar 14, 2008 2:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why can we not hope that Obama is not taken under the cloak of AIPAC Israel lobby as have Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman. Is it so difficult to see that Israel's Likud right wing has been placed in a position of dominance in Israel by US perpetual war foreign policy? Who takes the time to investigate the positions of the repressed Israeli peace movement? Search Google before endorsing the ISRAELI EQUIVALENT OF THE BUSH ADMIN. So, in this way the US has been able to exploit the Israeli citizens and undermine their real security over many years. Our country, USA does this to keep its military in a position to steal the oil of weak Moslem countries. It is folly to think it is possible to be anti-war and pro-Likud Israel. And do not shrink if you are called anti-semitic; after all, Arabs are Semites also. Obviously, the US can unilaterally guarantee Israel's borders and ensure its security much more effectively by military means than pre-emptively attacking Iraq. We can simply enforce the original UN sanctioned borders and enforce international law that forbids taking and keeping land gained by warfare. Create two states. We whup whoever crosses the line; that simple.

Choose not to believe it? Please read:

www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804

This is Vanity Fair's April issue expose they call Gaza Bombshell. It is but the latest example of how the US undermines the peace process in the Israel and MidEast.

I am a Jew for peace. Begin your change if heart by going here:

www. google.com/search?hl=en&q=jews+for+peace&btnG=Google+Search

Also, see Tikkun and Rabbi Michael Lerner

Obama=shalom meschugena nein.

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Obama's Church mainline Protestant
Posted by: herbal on Mar 14, 2008 3:25 AM   
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It is easy for anyone to google up Obama's church website and look for yourself:
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

This is not a Falwell/Dobson cult. This is the United Church of Christ, the national mainline church that has been outspokenly against the Iraq war. I subscribe to their on line newsletters and they are great and sincere people. I can't see that Obama's pastor is any more racist than Dr. M. Luther King was. Call a spade a spade. Its most interesting to see crackers call someone else on racism.

Many of these comments are misinformed Rash Limberger attack pieces. For shame for shame.

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What I find most horrifying
Posted by: Opinionator on Mar 14, 2008 5:06 AM   
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is the same old Anti-Semitism that has been around for thousands of years. And to top it off is the racial insensitivity of ANY Jew to this wonderful man. Where are your brains? Get out and fight for Barack Obama's presidential campaign, and be generous!

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Hillary and McCain team up against Obama?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 14, 2008 5:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary, as many have noted, stooped to a new low in Democratic politics by claiming that McCain would be a better president than Obama. She also rolled out a nice racist campaign full of smear tactics at the last minute.

So, the media smears are probably a result of efforts by both the Hillary and McCain campaigns, both of whom are set for defeat as things stand today.

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Slander?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Mar 14, 2008 5:45 AM   
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The attacks don't work as intended, unless the target audience have a prejudice toward the the victim of the slander.

In other words, bigots believe slander.

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» RE: Slander? Posted by: Longdream
These Attacks Have Been Routine for Hillary
Posted by: johnp on Mar 14, 2008 5:50 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The attacks you're talking about here, have been routine agaisnt Hillary. In fact, they are taken for granted, they're actually required of anyone writing on the left and are part and parcel of mainstream media. It's as impossible to find a kind, charitable, even a fairminded word, anywhere in mainstream media on behalf of Hillary, every remark, every commentary, every story, every discussion, about Hillary is negative and ugly, as it is to find a good thing to say about her in Alternet, or Huffington, or OpEdNews, etc. Every remark is an attack. What's going on here? I consider myself decisively on the Left, and am a strong Hillary supporter. This stuff being said about Obama is nothing by comparison. Or, more precisely, it's just getting started for him, after 10 months of nothing but attacks on Hillary. In fact, even with regard to these relatively mild attacks on Obama, Hillary is being blamed for them. This unanimity of opposition to Hillary is evidence of a something very ugly in our media, right and left. It is a mob mentality, as if no one dares say anything nice about her, but there is also an unmistakable anti-feminism operating here. The contrast revealed in the general public's feelings about Hillary is absolutely striking. Everywhere she goes, the crowds are vast, intensely admiring and respectful. Media has chosen its candidate to demean, and like a mob of adolescents, has gone on the attack. I can't believe its happening, but the ugly reality is, that it is happening.

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» Unfortunately TRUE Posted by: Verjenie
» RE: It's backlash. Posted by: Longdream
We need no diagrams
Posted by: Kuressaare on Mar 14, 2008 5:50 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Any and all of the mudlsinging and falsities, half-truths (hardly even those) are so obvioulsy in line withthe undercurrent in Mrs. Clinton's ordinary rhetoric, who can doubt the origins? Oh surely a ten thousand-strong group of campaign workers putting it together, but we know where it's coming from. With additives from the republicans. It's been this way from the start. Only yesterday at last I saw him himself (Sen. Obama, about time too) point out that he has been "experienced" in an elected office for 12 years, his opponent in the dem. party only for 8, and I don't think hers were in the dem. party, results wise. Damn I wish she'd throw it in. The Brits at BBC tried to figure how she could win, and really , she can't. They just can't accept that, but they are very backwards, with words like wog and n----- still in common use, and of course the longer one about someone (Pushkin for example) having been brushed with the tar brush. How elegant. Sir Peter Ustinov too. Well, the figures aren't there, and meanwhile the Clintons get nastier day by day. I did not, I must say, think the Clinton years were notable for grace and high purpose. I am afraid though I don't give a dam (tinker's dam) about the oval office and what games are played there, I remember not grace under fire but the lurid reports of penis size drawings given to congress and the press. How illuminiating. How enlightening. And Politics to be played to the same high standard? Not in my back yard.

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Can we move beyond Religious Labeling to select our next President
Posted by: kiwijohn on Mar 14, 2008 5:51 AM   
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The concept of Christianity, or for that matter any other legacy religion, means many things to many people both inside and outside their respective worldly constituencies. The label of Christian, Muslim or Jew or whatever says little about the true nature of an individual.

I am coming across more and more people (GenX and Y as well as those of even Woodstock vintage) with profound, genuine, thoughtful, commitment to positive, forward looking humanity. Few of these people are closely associated with any 'Religion' as such, particularly not those with a fundamentalist focus.

Many people in our current world have not yet entered into the space of even starting to work through substantive metaphysical concepts. That's not intended as a put-down, just a physical world observation of a reality I share with many of my friends (btw, I personally get there only sporadically, as much as I try to); many people are bound by hand-me-down, unfortunately largely thoughtless herd behavior that compromises their ability to grow as individual human beings.

Using a formal Religion as a defining label to ascribe moral, political or even personal positive or negative attributes to individuals is reasonably counter-productive, speak useless.

If we are to lift the quality of debate over the selection of the next US President the discussion should probably start to steer clear of Religion... and Race, but that's another subject altogether.

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media infiltration spawned by "Young Republicans"
Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 14, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Those such as Blink is the real Charlatans; All he does is repeat
allegations without any proof. He is one of a breed spawned by the "Young Republicans" who initiated defamation and trash talking as the justified means 20 years ago.

At the time I heard them talk of developing people to infiltrate the media (newspapers)supposedly to imitate what the Communists were doing. Perhaps stimulated then by the publication of "God and Man at Yale" that was simply an honest criticism, not intended as defamation.

At the very least senior editors have a responsibility to keep track of their correspondents and monitor what is being circulated on the Internet as facts but is simply talking trash.

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Be negative be happy
Posted by: solrev on Mar 14, 2008 6:31 AM   
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Negative attacks on ones opponent will always be a good strategy as far as the eye can see. The media as entertainment will pick up negative attacks. Your opponent will then have to spend some time on defense and this takes away message time. Negative attacks will solidify one’s base. The only con is that, in actual vote count they do very little. The great majority of people vote for someone rather than against someone. A step in the right direction would be to get rid of all those goofy American idol primary debates. A good issue debate, while Kucinich was around, would have been national health insurance vs. national health care. It appears like actual issue debates are in no candidate’s best interest.

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SAME 'OLE SHIT,DIFFERANT DAY!
Posted by: donl51 on Mar 14, 2008 6:32 AM   
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What does anyone expect? this is America,and our news media is a joke for the most part,the papers in the supermkt. checkout are it! LIES LIES LIES !!

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"the media keeps swallowing right-wing lies..." Ya' wanna know why???
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Mar 14, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Becaaaaaase, the "right wing media" is OWNED by large corporations who tell the media how high to jump, which direction to go AND Any propaganda that will help propetuate their agenda...

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Barack Hussein Obama is good for this country
Posted by: puredusthere on Mar 14, 2008 7:01 AM   
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War is terrorism and terrorism is war simple as that.
What is so bad about being a Muslim. When a person is a Muslim he also believes in Jesus the Messiah and his second coming. A Muslim believes in all Prophets from Adam to Jesus and Muhammad the last of all Prophets without leaving anyone out. In the Koran Jesus was mentioned 154 times but is considered the Son of Miriam - Mary the Virgin.
The racists have a broblem with Obama's skin color and use religion as a scare tactic to confuse the voters but they are bound to fail. This country is in great need for change or may wind up like old Germany did with a Hitler style Dictatorship and go broke.

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» RE: FWEEEEEEEET! Posted by: Longdream
A dark day for American history!
Posted by: Doggycuny on Mar 14, 2008 7:25 AM   
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As a Texan I speak for everyone from the south. We are disgusted at the prospect of having a black president. And if that wasn't bas enough, he's a Muslim.

What a dark day for American that would be; having a black, Muslim president.

We didn't fight the civil war for nothing! We didn't kick the north's ass for nothing! This is a disgrace! Abe Lincoln would be turning in his grave, knowing the fighting he did for us against the north was for nothing! Knowing that the uppity blacks he tried to control are now running loose and on the rampage in our great land. We need to get back the control we lost over these animals.

The day we have a black president will be the day the south rises up again and takes back God's land from these barbarian criminals.

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» RE: A dark day for American history! Posted by: radiomorning
Hate to break it to you but
Posted by: Alyx on Mar 14, 2008 7:32 AM   
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He may not be anti-semitic, but Farrakhan is, and he's not only supported him, but given him an humanitarian award.

http://www.tv7-4.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=108191

His church is cause for some very serious concerns. Check out the "Black values" pdf from their website, you'll see plenty of racist values.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

And here he blames America for 9/11 and tells his congregation to not sing God Bless America, but God Damn America. When Ward Churchill did something similar to this the whole country demanded he be fired.

If they're going to get into politics, than they can give up their non-profit status and pay taxes like everyone else.

But even more interesting, Obama's campaign staff work to separate him from Wright's extremism, than Obama turns around and defends Wright's racist comments. Newsflash, racism is color blind, anyone can catch it.

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» RE: FWEEEEEEEEET!!! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: FWEEEEEEEEET!!! Posted by: YogiBear
Tip of the Iceberg
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 14, 2008 7:55 AM   
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What's happening in the media now is the tip of the iceberg. The Republican, Neo Con, right wing, religious wingnut vultures are just getting started. They are deadly serious about staying in power and will do anything to keep it. I hope that the Obama camp is prepared.

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» RE: Tip of the Iceberg Posted by: pkbw
what the hell did you expect?
Posted by: jeffersonian on Mar 14, 2008 8:16 AM   
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Just because Obama plays nice the Republican slime machine will play nice too? And the right-wing 527s? Obama supporters are naive.

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My Perspective...
Posted by: dave16 on Mar 14, 2008 8:29 AM   
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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Attacks
Posted by: Chandidevi on Mar 14, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Why should Israel be such a threat to our country that all of us must support that nation? I do not support their actions against the Palestinians. Why do they have so much control over our destiny? A lot of us AMERICANS are deeply concerned about this and yet we stay silent for fear of being labeled a traitor. It appears to many of us that Israel is more in charge of our politics than we, as Americans, are. We need to stop being sheeples and think for ourselves. Nasty business.

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» RE: Attacks Posted by: radiomorning
Swastika
Posted by: ACoalier on Mar 14, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Someone drew a swastika on my Obama car sticker last night!

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» Vandalism.... Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: Vandalism.... Posted by: bittershaman
» RE: Swastika--Oh, really? Posted by: Longdream
I will really have to drop off the Alternet Line....it's too OTT Obama
Posted by: odcherenow on Mar 14, 2008 8:59 AM   
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'Nuff said.
This is not about Israel to me.
I looked upon Alternet as an alternative to the trash in the MSM.
Now I find trash, consistently, in the Alternet editions, day after day.
Sad, but you have become coopted by a bunch of fanatics with a tired agenda.
I'm out.

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Shell game or three card monty?
Posted by: willymack on Mar 14, 2008 9:55 AM   
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Take yer pick, ladies and gentlemen; we got a show fer yew, guaranteed to entertain (and pick your pockets). On one side, we got a fanatical Moslem, full of fulminating hate, and a diabolical plan to terrorize all us good Christians. If that ain't bad enough, he ain't white OR black, just kinda in-between. Kinda a mutt, if yew know what I mean. On the other side, yew got a gen-yoo-ine war hero and stalwart bush admirer who will bring us worldwide acclaim with the successful and glorious conclusion of the Iraq Crusade and the demolition of the evil Iran. His character , deportment, and ideals are as pure as the driven snow (and his COLOR too). So, what's it gonna be, folks a darkie traitor or a proven man of the people? This is the gist of the sinister smear campaign headed up by turdblossom & co. Never mind that for the first time in our short history we have both a woman and a man of color who are both infinitely more qualifieed than the neocon shill on the other side. Use your EMOTIONS, not your intellect in deciding who to vote for in what may prove to be the most important election of all to date. Be sure to include all your ignorance, prejudice, and unwillingness to seek the TRUTH. Make it three card monty, or, if you like, the ol' shell game, and may The Farce be with you.

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Being Muslim is a slur. Attitudes Towards Mormons and Muslims belong to the 16th Century
Posted by: aamer923 on Mar 14, 2008 10:01 AM   
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Yes. The general public thinks Muslims are suspects by definition, therefore they should be
1. Wire tapped, detained, strip searched at airports
2. Have less civil rights than the rest of us.

How then, would they accept a Muslim to be a president. let us face it. There is no way in hell that a Muslim can become president in the US, not for a long long time. We are not as open or tolerant as the constitution (couple hundred years old) suggests. Our attitude towards religion belongs to the 15th century

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» He's not a Muslim!!!! Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: FWEEEEEEEEET!! Posted by: Longdream
Clinton or Obama - The Onslaught Has Just Begun
Posted by: JacklynD on Mar 14, 2008 10:04 AM   
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It has been difficult as a women to watch the way Hillary has been portrayed as a "monster" during this primary. Untruths and unfair characterizations have gone unchecked. Repeated references to Whitewater leaves the impression that they did something wrong. After a $64 million dollar investigation it was proven that not only did they not do anything wrong but they lost money on the investment. Doesn't matter, it still gets used to brand her as dishonest.

More importantly, the same people who waged the relentless campaign to bring the Clintons down at all costs are the same ones who are going to take on Obama. Since it has become clear that he has a chance to be the Democratic nominee their focus has shifted from Hillary to Obama. They are merciless, determined and filthy dirty in their tactics. The disgusting attack on John Kerry's heroic mililtary service is a prime example.

You Obama supporters better get some very thick skin. Every women he ever slept with, every person he has ever been in contact with, every person his wife has been in contact with is in jeopardy of being scrutinized and used against him. You can bet that there are people in Indonesia right now checking out every family acquaintance. Oh and you better hope that his mother led an exemplary life too.

Sadly, his nomination will guarantee the Republicans will gain control of the White House again. There won't be time to disprove and overcome the ugliness that will be thrown up. Americans will believe that with enough smoke there must be fire.

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Director intercultural services
Posted by: clos on Mar 14, 2008 11:03 AM   
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It might be well to distribute the "urban legends" and "snopes"sites for folks to check out the truth of the allegations about any person.

Warm regards to All,

Carlos

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» Carlos Posted by: Basenjis
The Ignorance of Some Whites is Staggering
Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 14, 2008 11:19 AM   
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I'm really not all that surprised by the comments made in this forum by whites who know NOTHING about the history of the black church in this country.

Are any of you aware that the black church came about because whites refused to allow their fellow 'brothers and sisters in Christ' to worship in the same building. You want to talk hypocrisy and racism--explain THAT! You all need to be educated, so here goes nothing:

Unlike white churches, black churches did not serve just a spiritual need, but a social and political one as well. This tradition dates as far back as the founding of America. Think back to MLK's Ebeneezer Baptist Church as well as Abyssianian Baptist Church--both which played (and continue to play) strong roles in the civil rights movement. White Christianity has seldom been pro-active, but always re-active (something that the Moral Majority understood at their founding). Black Christianity has always been less about getting saved and getting wingss and harps, and more about the need for social justice, such as Jesus advocated.

Reverend Wright's speeches are nothing new, nor is the level of anger--several years ago, Frederick K. Price of L.A.'s Faith Dome dedicated nine weeks to a series called "Racism and Religion", in which he took to task white Christians who used the bible to justify racism, slavery, bigotry and Jim Crow. His research was meticulous to the nth degree. Do you know what happened? His program was taken off the air because it was deemed 'controversial'. Still, he managed to get a very famous family who publishes bibles--the Dakes--to renounce their version of the New Testament which contained racist passages and had been widely used in churches for decades.

I don't know what sermons you saw that was racist. What I did see was the face of black America--an anger and frustration that whites simply cannot fathom (and most of you don't give a damn about). I saw and heard a man who is angry at the dreams deferred, and at this country's arrogance and greed at the expense of the poor and disenfranchised. Rightly or wrongly, he blamed 9/11 on this country's failed history of dealing with people of color around the world. He is calling this country to task for failing to understand and truly deal with the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. Frankly, the fact that he voices the opinions of many here in alternet makes him a lot more patriotic than the flag-worshipping scum-buckets who see nothing wrong with invading a country that didn't do anything to us.

You know, I am far more inclined to accept someone with the BALLS to say that they will not vote for Obama because he is a black man. He's not a muslim (which has been proven time and again), nor does he leave his critical thinking skills at the door just because he goes to church (I agree that some folks do, but these are the same people who would follow a car if they believed there was an image of Mary on the hood). There are no excuses.

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» RE: The Ignorance of Some Whites is Staggering Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
» RE: The Ignorance of Some Whites is Staggering Posted by: animalleaderisgreat
» RE: Kym. Posted by: Longdream
Another good reason to give your non-swing vote to Nader
Posted by: pb120669 on Mar 14, 2008 11:35 AM   
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Ari Berman writes: His first foreign policy speech of the campaign was before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), where he pledged "clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel." He has occasionally angered pro-Israel hawks by urging direct negotiations with Iran and Syria, but Obama's foreign policy record is well within the Democratic Party mainstream. He's committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians, supported Israel's incursion into Lebanon in 2006 and has criticized Hamas.

I haven't recently heard better reasons not to support Obama.

Unfortunately, at the recent point in his career when he began to conceive of himself as a frontrunner, he backed off many of the progressive stances that defined him. For example, on Israeli settlements he said in 1998 that the US must have a more "even-handed" policy and was generally critical of US policy toward Palestine. In 2004, he was more tepid, according to How Barack Obama learned to love Israel Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 4 March 2007.

I guess there's the possibility that he's a "stealth progressive."

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"Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night."
Posted by: JacklynD on Mar 14, 2008 12:22 PM   
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I think you are naive. Particularly because you are so certain that the lies are coming from the Clinton camp. You are in for a very rude awakening. Brace yourself because it is just the beginning.

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Moratorium
Posted by: Sushi on Mar 14, 2008 1:24 PM   
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I am calling a moratorium on bringing ethnicity and/or religion into the campaigns.

One look at Obama and we can SEE his skin. Where's the discussion on Hillary's blond hair or shoe size?

We have SERIOUS issues! Religion, hair and skin are not going to address them. We have GOT to stop falling for the shiny objects dangled by the media shills.

Damn, we Americans look more and more like we've never evolved beyond high school politics of who's ears are too big. Grow up and smell the country's rotting corpse. Our economy is tanking, our jobs are going to 3rd world slaves, we've lost most of our rights, our privacy, our savings accounts, the respect of our allies, our kids in an illegal occupation. Our choices are narrowing to 4 more years of the same (or worse) or begin the healing with new leadership.

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» RE: Moratorium Posted by: pb120669
» RE: Moratorium Posted by: desidid
» RE: Moratorium Posted by: YogiBear
This Campaign Is More About American Than Obama
Posted by: desidid on Mar 14, 2008 2:37 PM   
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As we have seen for hundreds of years White racism is as hard to kill as AIDS. For many it is the disease that can't be cured. In an effort to justify it, the victim of it has been accused of everything under the sun. We hate him because he's Muslim, we hate him because he is Black and therefore he played the race card, we hate him because he is't patriotic. Obama created hope for millions of people that America had transcended it's past, sadly it hasn't.

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» You're right, but...... Posted by: Verjenie
OBAMA LOVES AIPAC AND ISRAEL
Posted by: bbfmail on Mar 14, 2008 2:47 PM   
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http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml


But Obama's gradual shift into the AIPAC camp had begun as early as 2002 as he planned his move from small time Illinois politics to the national scene. In 2003, Forward reported on how he had "been courting the pro-Israel constituency." He co-sponsored an amendment to the Illinois Pension Code allowing the state of Illinois to lend money to the Israeli government. Among his early backers was Penny Pritzker -- now his national campaign finance chair -- scion of the liberal but staunchly Zionist family that owns the Hyatt hotel chain. (The Hyatt Regency hotel on Mount Scopus was built on land forcibly expropriated from Palestinian owners after Israel occupied East Jerusalem in 1967). He has also appointed several prominent pro-Israel advisors.

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» RE: OBAMA LOVES AIPAC AND ISRAEL Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: OBAMA HATES LIES! Posted by: Longdream
What It's Gonna Take...
Posted by: Marshalldoc on Mar 14, 2008 4:49 PM   
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In the 1950’s a conservative columnist, Westbrook Pegler, was well-known for his vindictive columns that literally destroyed public personalities. His victims were referred to has having been “Peglerized”. At one time he wrote a scurrilous article about a well-known and well-liked author, Quinton Reynolds (see details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Pegler).

Reynolds sued Pegler for liable and was awarded $1.00 in compensatory damages and $175,000 in punative damages (the largest such award to that date) in a landmark case that has been well publicized. Pegler's reputation & career were demolished.

It is futile to ask, cajole, or demand people who respond only to their own internal reality and market pressures to behave in a responsible fashion, particularly when the market rewards them so richly for failing to do just that.

The only solution to issues such as the recurrent libeling of Barack Obama (as the current case in point although clearly not the only such case) in the press and news television is for a coalition of ‘deep-pockets’ liberals to determine to fund the litigation, to the bitter end (it would likely end up at the state or national supreme courts and be very expensive), a well-substantiated libel suit capable of inflicting sufficient monetary damage on the libeler to effectively end their business & career and, further, to send a clear message to all those who would do likewise that they too would face litigation and ruin for similar actions.

Short of that… save your breath.

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» RE: That wouldn't be it. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: That wouldn't be it. Posted by: Marshalldoc
You don't say!
Posted by: jim_altman on Mar 14, 2008 5:22 PM   
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He didn't say. Mr. Obama has so scrupulously avoided saying much of anything about anything. His supporters fill the vacuum with projections of liberal fantasy, but his detractors fill the void with conservative nightmare images. Today, he was quoted saying that he "denounced anything controversial" that his UCC Pastor Wright may have said over a 40-year career. You don't say?

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» RE: No, he didn't. Posted by: Longdream
American politics is disgusting
Posted by: macdon1 on Mar 14, 2008 5:23 PM   
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The presidential campaign has descended so far into the sewer that we need roto-rooter to bring it back to the surface. I admire Barack Obama for trying to run a clean and dignified campaign but he is jumping into a mud wallow with a bunch of dirty pigs. Their method of campaigning is to throw as much shit as possible and hope some of it sticks.

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This election has been set up by the Republicans and corporate media....
Posted by: emccready on Mar 14, 2008 6:57 PM   
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Has anyone else noticed that the only other white male candidates in the running (Kucinich and Edwards especially, not to speak of Ron Paul on the Repub side!!!) were all sidelined because of the outspoken and very definite anti-Iraq war stances along with anit-corporation positions. Why wasn't Kucinich allowed to debate...he had a good following and yet people in this country allowed certain networks to dictate who was going to be allowed on the debates that were broadcast over the airwaves which are owned not by them, but by the entire population of this country...( they used to be called Public airways I believe!) So many of these media outlets are owned in part by corporations who have a great interest in war of all types, including continuing the conflicts between Israel and the rest of the middle east because they are war contractors themselves. (And of course they now have so many "new" talking heads they have to be sure to have enough crises around to justify the payrolls!)

I firmly believe that Hillary and Obama were chosen early on by those who own the airways along with the Republicans who are their friends just so there could be the type of racial/misogynistic battle on the part of the Democrats we are witnessing today, so that their own candidate (who would have guessed McCain? ...but did you notice how quickly Romney stepped aside along with Huckleberry) could stand back and watch the fun??

The black guy with the questionable middle name and the wife of a formerly disgraced President were the perfect focus and just might spell the end to the Democratic party as it stands today.

The Democrats have yet to realize that Bush and Co. will continue to do whatever they need to do to put into place as many of their right winged facist policies and stand hard against any changes. They are failures to the people who support them and the sad thing is, the Democrats had so many really good and qualified candidates, including the two currently getting all this bad press.

It's let's pick on the minorities and put the worst possible person into Office... someone who might well be even worse than Bush.

This country unfortunately has its ears blocked by Ipods, pockets filled with funny-money credit cards and bodies doped up with legalized pharmaceuticals which have now been discovered to be present in most cities' water supplies.

Am I the only one noticing such things? Just wondering...

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» RE: Thank you Posted by: Melodys4
Blame the Clintons
Posted by: domelady on Mar 14, 2008 6:58 PM   
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Here we go again. It seems that if there is a problem the first thing the right wing does is blame the Clintons, followed by the "Left-wing?" media picking it up and running with it. It's been years since Pres. Clinton has left office yet when there's a problem the first thing you hear is this is a result of the problems left by him. You know the balanced budget, the road to eliminating the national debt and the 20plus million jobs created were such a problem.

Get real It wasn't Hillary who attended the church who's minister railed against whites and Hillary. It wasn't Hillary who was a respected member of a church who gave an award to Louis Farakan, the man who has supported the elimination of Isreal. It wasn't Hillary who in the debate continually referred to Louis Farakan as Reverand, a term used to show respect. It was Obama! He had to be pushed to reject and denounce this support.

This is unacceptable and racist! If a congregation didn't agree with a minister there are two roads to take, stop contributing and leave the church or actively seek to replace this minister. Obama has not done either, nor has his church community. The only conculsion one can make is that the Obamas and the congregation agree with their minister. To say he is a "crazy uncle" is too little too late. And too self serving.

I am incensed and appalled that people continue to attack Hillary while ignoring the veiled racist remarks that are made by Obama himself! "Our time has come." The American people and Hillary deserve more than an apology they deserve to know who Obama really is!

All we have so far are political speeches! He has never won an election with a real opponent. How hard is it for a Columbia and Harvard graduate to win a small state senate seat in the South side of Chicago, or in Illinois where he didn't even have an opponent in a US Senate race till September, with only 3 months to go. Allen Keyes, he's run for more positions than most people have voted in.

Democrats don't waste your vote, look to history and remember the 90's lifted people, ALL people up, America was respected around the world, we helped end the violence in Ireland and it was the first time a 2 state middle east solution for Palestine and Isreal was presented. Another media lie that Bush was the first to suggest this solution. Let's get our country back with leadership who has done it before.

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» RE: Blame the Clintons Posted by: desidid
» RE: Blame the Clintons Posted by: macktan
» RE: Are you still around? Posted by: Longdream
Conspi-racists
Posted by: deapp on Mar 14, 2008 8:17 PM   
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The old sick Reagan Southern strategy. Many White politicians know that they can control the sick minds of a white racist majority by simply saying something negative about a Black person to conger up innate fears of the Black brutes taking over and destroying White superiority or having sex with their lily white daughters (I have and it ain't all that) or visiting upon them the judgement of their racist past. Wake up and start thinking for yourself for a change. Move away from the Bush fear mongering attitude for a change. You see what Bush thinking has done for America. Stop being controlled by your own people. You can either believe the illusions of the Clintons and McCains or you can believe in the Audacity to HOPE. Choose carefully.

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Recent Alternet articles
Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 14, 2008 9:17 PM   
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Hillary Apologizes to Black Voters

A parody of the Clinton campaign's not so subtle attempts to inject race

Why Is Saturday Night Live Shilling for Hillary Clinton

If It Isn't Obama's Race Being Attacked, Then It's His Religion

Obama Wins Big in Mississippi Despite 'Limbaugh Effect'

Geraldine Ferraro Defends Her Racist Remarks

Barack Obama can’t win wrestling in the mud with Hillary Clinton

Olbermann's Special Comment on Clinton and Ferraro: "This Is Not a Campaign Strategy, This Is a Suicide Pact

Hillary Clinton, Not So Good on Genocide

The Media Repeats Stream of Lies About Obama

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All right, I get it already! You want me to vote Obama. Geez, why not just come out and say it already?

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» RE: ecent Alternet articles Posted by: mkdelta69
Let's Paint Him Black
Posted by: macktan on Mar 14, 2008 9:22 PM   
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You would think Barack Obama is a demon the way his opponents are describing him and his family

Gee, just a few months ago this was a colorblind society but Barack has suddenly transformed into Malcom X

First comes Ferraro who dusts off her decades old fingerpointing at Jesse Jackson when she attributed his success to his race (yeah, I've heard that one before--code for you don't work for your success like the rest of us, we allow you elevation because we of affirmative action)

This is the strategy they've been trying to implement ever since they began coasting downhill

Hillary has worked for her success; Barack hasn't

Of course, the fact that she married the president of the u s has nothing to do with her own career path

The Republicans must be smelling a sure thing Don't think for a minute that these dirty tricks won't have consequences

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» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: desidid
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: desidid
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: desidid
» RE: Let's Paint Him Black Posted by: YogiBear
mormons formed by 19th century prophet
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 15, 2008 5:42 AM   
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so it is hard to have a 15th century attitude toward them. my 21st century attitude is based on their behavior now and in the past. Islam in Europe before 1950 was primarily spread by sword and we should be grateful for Charlemagne for stopping at Battle of Poitiers in 8th century and Hapsburgs in 17th century. Both religions are authoritarian and patriarchal so excuse me if I am resistent to their advocates and adherents.

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The SPIN: I'm so Disappointed
Posted by: Verjenie on Mar 15, 2008 5:49 AM   
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hi, y'all
I wasn't a Hillary supporter until I started to read AlterNet and watching a little T.V. news (I'm usually t.v. free) and it's truly amazing. I should know better having been raised in an activist household, on the wrong end of the economic ladder, in a mixed race household. I was at the first Gulf War March with my parents & friends and the Media filmed that march as if there were a few hundred people marching and an equal counter demonstration, simply using camera angles, when really there were 10's of thousands there and 15 Georgetown students screaming USA while getting fake-blooded. So I should know better but it's really crazy how off-the-wall AlterNet is with it's Hillary bashing and narrow focus. In other words, it's distorted camera angle. The prince versus the Hydra???? It's too comic book and Geraldine Ferraro who mispoke, is close to a vague reality: if BHO were white, the Hillary bashing would seem less warm and fuzzy, but since all the lefties at AlterNet have mimicked the right wing playbook, it's just O.K. to attack her. It's a regular gang-bang. All you have to do is fabricate that she's the divisive one, fabricate that she's being racist, and then use the issues to just beat the hell out of her, from the comfortable positon of a Higher Ground composed of political pretzels. I'm a fact-checker. I can't help it. I wish some of the columnists at AlterNet would engage in the same practice.
I understand the glee in beating up on the Clintons as they did dismantle a lot of social programs, but then why attempt to destroy every scrap of good she's done and try to call her a Republican or constantly play to the idea that,
a) She's a republican
b) She can never win the General as the Republicans hate her?
GOOD GRIEF, LORDY LORDY
When all of this dies down, and it isn't lethal to muse on what's going on nationally, it will be interesting to sort out how comparative popular cultural references worked in the favor of which candidates:
i.e. hip hop culture, evil fairy tale step-mothers,etc. and whether it is taboo to actually discuss why the discourse has become so incredibly slanted. As I've earlier said, before being exposed to this imbalance, I voted for Obama. He had a clear concise message on the war. He comes from diversity and seems to have a vision beyond the usuual rhetoric. Now, there's so much spin I feel nauseous. and Hillary is more and more seeming the sane one and the one maligned and I'm so terribly disappointed in left-wing media for a lack of deeper analysis.

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» PS Defending Obama Posted by: Verjenie
» RE: The SPIN: I'm so Disappointed Posted by: reverend revlon
» Dear Reverend Posted by: Verjenie
» RE: FWEEEEEEET! Posted by: Longdream
Fearof a Black Man
Posted by: reverend revlon on Mar 15, 2008 6:11 AM   
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There are many, in this world, who fear the idea of a black man being in charge of anything, especially the country. They will do any say anything to keep that from happening. They never thought Obama would be this popular with the people. Why do you think he has CIA agents protecting him? Just like when Hank Aaron was going for the homerun record, Obama is receiving death threats from ignorant whites and people of color, that dont think a black man deserves to be on the top. Yes, they probably would have done a smear campaign on Hillary, but at least there would be more truth to her crap.

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» Yes and No Posted by: Verjenie
An Important Test
Posted by: bluesmanjohnson on Mar 15, 2008 6:18 AM   
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It will be interesting to see how Obama overcomes the race and religion-based bullshit that is flowing simultaneously from the right, to (and from) the so-called main stream media, and flowing from team Clinton. I hope we, as a country, are up to the task.

As a white man it amazes me to hear that much (indeed most) of the coutry finds it un-American, and is completely up in arms over the fact that many black Americans (and their church leaders) are not as "ra ra ra" pseud-patriotic as Joe and Jane Sixpack profess to be. Blacks, Muslims, and indeed, everyone else, if they have been paying attention: should have plenty of reasons to criticize this country (i.e., God damn America); should not be afraid to discuss our unbalanced approach to Israel and her neighbors (please tell me the last time Israel actually did anything for us); and certainly can criticize our biggoted treatment of anyone that is not in the judeo-christian mold. It would be tempting, if I were an Obama handler, to have him try to de-radicalize the views of many in the black churches, by explaining where they come from, instead of running from them as he appears to be doing. I think he could own this debate by confronting it head on. I urge him to stand and fight on this, and to stop apologizing to the white world for everyone in the black community that has the nerve to speak truth to power - even if they say things that are pereived as being too far afield. Change the field Barack! That's what the right wing has been successfully doing for years!

Obama has, to this point, shown great promise in his ability to rise above, and "overcome" many of these hurdles. He can, with a few words, blow past many of these religious and racial issues, because of who he is and where he comes from. Correspondingly, it can take even the most "one world, one love" white person 20 minutes or more of explaining their committtment to fairness and equal opportunity (yadda yadda yadda), before they can catch up to the place Obama starts out at. This is a remarkable gift, and he is a highly credible voice in our ongoing conversations about race and religion - at least as I see it. If he can use that gift to surpass this latest round of racial and religious fear mongering, I think he can turn the corner. If he can get the dialog back to the issues, he will have passed what I believe is his strongest test.

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they stopped Jackson by tying him to Farrakhan,
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 15, 2008 6:20 AM   
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so they are trying to stop Obama by tying him to Wright and them both to Farrakhan. So Obama has now dissassociating from Wright but it is ridculous to hold him responsible for the speech of his pastor since in a liberal church a pastor has a freedom of pulpit. I desire more examination of Obama and his rhetoric and ideas and proposed policies and les guilt by association which the right has used since Joseph McCarthy and before. Russert should have been denounced for his attempted guilt by association. Liberals should denounce all guilt by association by mainstream media or leftist and rightist blogs.

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You're Just as Biased
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Mar 15, 2008 6:22 AM   
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What kind of crazy time is this, where we are patting a politician on the back for sucking up to one of the biggest special interest/lobbying groups (AIPAC) in the US? AIPAC sucks; their paid influence on US politicians has done nothing but encourage the US to continue its unfair and destructive policies supporting Israel. But I guess Obama, like all politicians, is just another willing whore willing to perform for money. Disgusting.

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Fickle Forgetting Americans
Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 15, 2008 8:21 AM   
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So mainstream media lies about Obama...they lie about Hillary...they lie about everyone...depending on WHO owns the controlling interest in the station/paper/magazine. AlterNet is supposed to be reporting the truth????

Yeah...and if we are to believe that one...well, we are not much brighter than those who follow mainstream news. It is quite evident that Alt news prefers Obama to anyone else and, that my friend makes them just as prejudice.

What makes Obama the better candidate? Is it the fact that he has come from nowhere, self-proclaiming himself to be “Under the golden halo,” of past heroes such as Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy? (Please tell me what he has done to save the world, thus far?)

Is it because after spending most of his life attending a church run by Black militants who hate Whites and, Obama has NOW said that since this was brought out he renounces them?

Or maybe it is because he has continually said he will not pull out of Iraq and WILL invade Pakistan and Iran; but then changed his mind when Hillary confronted him with this and Obama said, "Oh, I didn't mean that."

Or better yet, maybe it is because recently when his top campaign worker called Hillary a "Monster," but then was also caught saying how Obama has "NO intentions," of pulling out of the war and would continue the Bush agenda, that you somehow believe she was the one lying?

Yes...Americans are fickle...we want to see the good in everyone; especially from a man. Especially from what has been considered for nearly three-hundred years, an oppressed race of humans.

However, these are NOT reasons to put a man in charge of a country.

Are ANY of our candidates NOT crooked? No.
Are ANY of our candidates NOT racist? Probably NOT. (This does include Obama maybe even MORE than the two White candidates if your paying attention to whom he has called mentors and friends for years and years.)
Are any of our candidates going to turn America around?

No folks...that chance was gone when you voted out the small guys who couldn’t come to the table with large corporate dollars.

Obama is a smooth talker. Talk is cheap; his voting record (When he bothered to vote), is fairly identical to Senator Clinton’s.

What scares me about Obama? The fact that like Hitler, Bush, and Regan, he is able to sway large groups of people…almost hypnotizing them…into believing untruths. Just like Bush with 911, people are swallowing hook, line, and sinker…the latter being the important word.


You can sit and debate all day about "Poor Obama." However, I'm here to tell you that there is NOTHING "poor," about this man. That he is as much a McCain type who will lead you to destruction, and that his color does NOT automatically make him a superhero. He is JUST another politician looking to put HIS agenda to work...and that my friends, maybe the tipping point for America, period.

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» RE: FWEEEEEEEEEET! Posted by: Longdream
» RE: FWEEEEEEEEEET! Posted by: YogiBear
I have abandoned Obama
Posted by: TWilliams on Mar 15, 2008 5:33 PM   
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I wish the press would have done a better job exposing Obama in the beginning. I now feel I have wasted my vote.

I cannot believe people here support the United Trinity Church and also support "Reverend" Wright and his anti-Semitic and anti-white rants. Anyone where who says he is not anti-Semitic and not anti-white simply needs to watch his videos on YouTube or look at his churches literature.

I have been a visitor to AlterNet for years. I am also a life-long Democrat. I can say with 100% certainty I will either vote for McCain or not vote at all if Obama is the Dem presidential candidate.

I blame AlterNet and all of the other hate-mongers on this site for not speaking the truth.

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» RE: On behalf of Obama Posted by: Longdream
So what is so wrong with what Wright said?
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Mar 16, 2008 6:17 AM   
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In a fiery sermon in April 2003, Wright said:

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America.

“No! No No!

“God damn America … for killing innocent people.

“God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans.

“God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

Wright can also be seen questioning America’s role in the spreading of the HIV virus that leads to AIDS. In another speech, made in the days after 9/11, he suggested that American foreign policy invited the terror attacks.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

Prior to his retirement last month, Wright delivered commentary from the pulpit in which he praised Obama, as well as remarks focusing on the racial divide between Obama and Clinton.
“There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his Jan. 13 sermon.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

“Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

In a Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

The only thing I disagree about is that Wright thinks Obama is the second coming and the answer to this countries woes.

Wright is right on target for the most part.

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» You can always vote for me.... Posted by: LeftWright
» Not Wright on Hillary Posted by: YogiBear
mindtrvlr
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Mar 16, 2008 8:39 PM   
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Obama is nothing more than a hack and miserable lier. He's obviously as racist as the KKK or the skinheads. Hillary has made no reply concerning his pastors comments. She doesn't have to. His so called church of christ says it all.

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» RE: mindtrvlr Posted by: tundanonga
Can we blame Obama for his Pastor?
Posted by: niliadis on Mar 16, 2008 11:36 PM   
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ABsolutely!!!! Wright has been by Obama's admission a friend, insperational pastor, his mentor. Obama now says if he knew what Wright was saying he would not have rejected him. Does he actually think We Americans are naive? This is 20 years of Mentoring, a friend closer than a friend like an uncle. the man that baptised his children, the man that married him, the man that influenced his life. Wright has accused America of developing the HIV virus to give to Africa to hurt the blacks, he has said we Americans deserved the tragedy of 9/11, he has yelled with his vulgar voice that Blacks should not say God Bless America but to say God Damm America. I am mad and I think every American should be mad, mad that the man that told us change and hope and that words meant everything has been for twenty years a child of Wright, has made this racial American Hater his friend and Mentor. Mad that he thinks we are naive to continue to believe his empty words...We Americans should show our disgust by rejecting Obama and his Mentor!!! We love America to much to be putting up with this hatred towards our nation, What a dissappointment! But better now than later.

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A 2nd Lumumba?
Posted by: tundanonga on Mar 17, 2008 12:19 AM   
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Is Obama a second Lumumba? It's make remember the lies about Lumumba. The cmparison is not wrong, because it was said "Lumumba is a cmmunist, an evil, an anti-christ, a racist, a junkie etc." Lumumba was a Methodist and today it is known, that it was desinformations and lies. But Lumumba was killed, because he wanted a country (Congo), where everybody "Blacks & Whites" has to equal and live in peace. This kind of lies are use to hide impensable things. Tundanonga

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McCain has more world knowledge in his pinkie than Obama does all over his body
Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 17, 2008 4:10 PM   
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Obama said in 2004 that his Iraq position "was no different than George Bush's" at this point. Funny, no one talks about that now.

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hi
Posted by: john110 on Mar 18, 2008 8:14 PM   
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i am new to the site. i want to say hi.

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clintons doing work
Posted by: angelofdeath on Mar 19, 2008 2:38 AM   
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THE TORRES-VIGNALI CONNECTION is explored in detail in a congressional report that resulted from Pardongate, when revelations surfaced that President Clinton granted clemency for Carlos Vignali Jr. — convicted of drug trafficking and sentenced to 15 years in federal prison in 1995 — along with other convicted criminals and one-time international fugitive Marc Rich. The granting of clemency occurred after payments were made to Clinton’s brother-in-law, Hugh Rodham, the brother of former first lady, New York state senator and 2008 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Released in March 2002 by the congressional Committee on Government Reform, “Justice Undone: Clemency Decisions in the Clinton White House” details Hugh Rodham’s involvement in the Vignali affair, as well as the long business history Vignali once shared with George Torres.

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My perspective...
Posted by: dave16 on Mar 19, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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Unknown Obama
Posted by: OK Granny on Mar 21, 2008 12:19 PM   
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Senator Obama has always refused to answer questions in a truthful or complete way and this has lead to speculation. Also the media has been surprisingly "SOFT" on this candidate when factual information has come forward. To be truthful, I have a very hard time believing him. He has changed his story about almost everything: his pastor, his religion, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, his campaign contributions. And his speech trying to explain was a farce.

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