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Where Are All the Girl Ninjas? Sexist Stereotypes Pervade Children's Media
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For an actress who had galvanized women with Thelma and Louise and A League of their Own, and was soon to change the course of television history as the first female president of the United States (Commander in Chief), "Where are the girls?" was a question that needed to be answered.
"I mentioned it to a studio head whose movies were largely family fare," Davis told me in Los Angeles. "I said, 'Have you ever noticed that in kids' programs there are fewer female characters than male?' and he said, 'No no, not US! We're all over this issue!'"
"What he meant," Davis said, "was this: 'We have ONE female in our movie; we make sure we have one female that everyone can approve of.' I realized then that if we were going to address this question seriously, we needed facts. We needed data."
So Davis set out to get them. She started her own non-profit, and over the course of the next three years, with the help of USC Annenberg School of Journalism professor Stacy Smith, Davis began research to assess portrayals of males and females in children's media. On January 30 and 31, 2008, at the University of Southern California, under the auspices of the Geena Davis Institute on Gender and Children in the Media (GDIDM) she presented the findings at a forum for studio heads, writers, educators and students.
Stacy Smith, who introduced the data at the forum, summed up the Geena Davis Institute's results in three succinct points:
- Gender imbalance reigns across the media.
- System wide, when females are presented they are shown in a hypersexualized way.
- The highest concentration of this imbalance is in animated films and G-rated programming, where parents might assume their children are safest.
The general sense of Smith's first two points is not new or shocking information, at least to regular media consumers, but the statistics are hard to ignore. Examining 15,000 individual speaking characters across the rating spectrum of G-, PG-, PG-13, and R-rated films, Smith and the GDIDM discovered that males outnumber females nearly 3 to 1 in movies; male narrators outnumber female narrators 4 to 1 (83% to 17%).
Studying 4,000 female film characters, females (from animated girl puppies to grown human women) were more than 5 times more likely than males to be shown as adornment or sexually enticing and three times more likely to be dressed in sexually alluring clothing.
When females appear in G and PG films, they are more likely to have traditionally motivated behaviors: they are more likely than males to be depicted in a committed relationship (59.9% vs. 47.4%), and with an inclination to romance as the main or exclusive personality trait.
Most dramatically, females of all ages were 3 times more likely (10.6% vs. 3.4%) to have unrealistically "perfect" bodies, introducing the skinny ideal at an early age to the minds of young boys and girls. In her address to studio heads on the first day of the forum, Amy Pascal, co-chair of Sony Pictures Entertainment, pointed out that most animated female characters have such anatomically impossible bodies "they have no room for a womb."
The forum also included four panel discussions: a group of entertainment business professionals considering the marketing of children's toys and products; an International panel discussing kids' TV around the world; a TV and movie critics' panel to discuss their perceptions and incidences of Smith's research, and an education and resource panel about possible ways to create a cultural shift toward gender parity in the media.
The good news was that although they are still less prevalent, when they do appear in movies and television, girls and women are becoming stronger and more heroic: fewer "hookers, victims and doormats," in the phrase used by forum participants.
When I asked Stacy Smith about the two films nominated for best picture (Atonement and Juno) whose main characters are strong young girls in command of their own destinies, and whether they signal a trend toward gender parity, she said she'll be more optimistic if the trend continues for several years.
"We should all applaud these types of multi-dimensional and complicated roles for girls," she said, because box office and commercial sales are a primary motivator for all programming decisions. "Buy tickets and DVDs that feature them. Give the entertainment industry freedom to take risks without fear that no one will pay to see them."
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Posted by: leta on Feb 22, 2008 1:16 AM
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» Women acting in stereotypically masculine ways
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» the whole concept is crap. it comes down to what you teach your child
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Posted by: Kevbo on Feb 22, 2008 2:51 AM
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Does the gender of a ninja matter when they're flipping out and killing people? I think not.
As for pirates I submit to you the film fiasco of one Geena Davis known as "Cutthroat Island". I believe that film may have sapped any girl's interest in piracy and swashbuckling.
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» Dude, not enough people go to scifi cons to get that.
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» > how do you know the gender of a ninja?
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Posted by: felipe on Feb 22, 2008 3:11 AM
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We (wife & I) make an effort to ensure our 4 year old daughter has positive female role models and influences. That includes her seeing a woman Dr. and attending taekwondo program ran by 3 wonderful women, among other things. Her favorite musical artist is Regina Spektor, not Hannah Montana. That crap is not even allowed in our house and she has idea who HM is. No Wiggles either. Age is no excuse for horrible taste. (She loves Klaus Nomi too, weird I know).
Other things we don't allow include Bratz dolls (Slutz as we call them) or any of the Disney Princess as a lifestyle junk. Groovy girls are appropriate dolls and if she wants to play dress up we have fairy costumes.
The point is that as parents we have to make choices in what our children 'consume'. Sure it takes work to dig through the crap to find media and toys that we find acceptable.
Unfortunately too many parents can't be bothered so they park the kid(s) in front of the TV, most likely set to the Disney channel, to eat a Happy Meal while they play with some p.o.s. toy they bought without thinking at Wally World. Then they blame the media, the schools and everybody else when their kid turns out all f'ed up. It's much easier than doing the work than to take responsibility for ones own actions.
Final note, no we're not perfect, we mess up on a regular basis. All parents do.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 22, 2008 4:31 AM
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Maybe little girls like movies about pretty little princesses who get rescued by handsome princes, and male mice that scurry around making pretty dresses for them. Has her "Institute" bothered to ask them?
I mean, do women who read romance novels expect all men in the real world to have bad accents, play guitar outside their window all night, and pick them up for their date on a white horse? Perhaps some, but I think most read that stuff because it's fantasy. Should they start writing romance novels with guys who are kind of boring and geeky, but who have a steady job and are a good father to the children? Maybe, but that should be left to the writer and the consumer, don't you think?
I say, stop letting tall actresses meddle in children's entertainment like some sort of right-wing religious group, and ask the kids what they'd like to see. Right, kids?
If she wants to make a difference, why doesn't she open a technical college or a ninja academy for girls or something, so that girls in the real world who do lean toward traditionally "male" occupations or roles have a place to go.
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» Exactly...but the issue pervades all Media and its not limited to Female portrayals
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Posted by: mbruton on Feb 22, 2008 5:54 AM
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If more women enter these and other related fields then more women can get in there and write/produce/animate subjects and themes from their own perspective. They tell writers to write what they know, men know society and the world from a male perspective. Is it such a great surprise or a conspiracy if it shows?
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Feb 22, 2008 6:05 AM
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- Kimpossible
- some cartoon where there are three heroines in three different colors of jumpsuits
- some cartoon where there is one tiny heroine with huge eyes
- some school cartoon where the chief character is a ball-busting matron
plus a bunch of others.
The message is always the same in these:
- women hold the moral upper hand
- women are competent, men are not
- women can easily kick the butts of men around them
I can't think of a single current cartoon where a male character isn't a screwup. Futurama, The Simpsons, Tripping the Rift... it's all the same.
This is what is being poured into little heads. Congratulations, feminists, you've clearly won your fight to program little boys to think that they are valueless in modern society.
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» RE: Lol, you do have a point with the cartoons you mentioned.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 22, 2008 6:13 AM
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Most cartoon characters, are shown to be, in some form or another, a type of bumbling idiot. Yes, even the ninjas.
When you have a male character, you can make him as stupid, bumbling, clueless and flawed as you want. Creativity is your only limit.
Do the same to a female character, and the retaliation is fierce.
Take the Simpsons, for example (Since it is the longest running, must popular cartoon): Homer has become a symbol for stupidity. Marge? The symbol for an obviously superior intellect saddled with a moron. Bart, a malicious and yet strangely popular kid. Lisa? Much more intelligent, of course.
It isn't relegated to just cartoons, either. Have you noticed that almost all family sitcoms have the same characters?
Dad-Overbearing, clueless, thoughtless inconsiderate unattractive bumbling idiot.
Mom-Patient, caring, thoughtful, attractive, intelligent woman.(Roseanne was the exception that proves there is a rule)
Since only majorly flawed cartoon characters are considered funny, the kid gloves that networks must treat females with, exclude them from being cartoons.
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 22, 2008 8:01 AM
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Yeah, sure, "that's all they'll watch". If such is true at all, it is because we raise our kids in an environment of hyper-stimulation:
1. Broadcast media pelts them with hyper-caffeinated advertisements and excruciatingly noisy 'toons.
2. Music pounds them with The Beat to the point they can't listen to anything that is not percussive. (Aside from this, listen to them speak: Through the the third decade, far too many kids speak in monotone. They have no internal music, and no deep sense of language.)
3. Toys and games reward hand-eye co-ordination at the expense of intellect-imagination development. A singular failure in this regard is the recent crop of boob-tube-babysitter DVDs
4. Our educational system, falling prey to Con ideology, continues to sacrifice art, music, and genuine physical education classes in favor of rote-learned lessons and gladiatorial sports.
Geena has part of the issue right, but nothing will resolve this problem better than book-loving parents and teachers transmitting that love of reading to their children, while shutting off all the electronic babysitters. Only then might we begin to regain competitiveness in research sciences, advanced math, and other fields where America is no longer a first-tier contributor.
What say? You are too busy "providing for them" to read to them, challenge them, and save them from the boob tube? Well then, plan on spending a chunk of what you "provide" on Ritalin and/or Prozac, because you are probably raising another Pharma Customer...a child who truly won't care whether there was a "girl ninja" or not.
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Posted by: newtype_alpha on Feb 22, 2008 9:26 AM
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If you haven't been living in a cage for the last twenty frickin years you can find them here, here and possibly, here. If that wasn't enough, it's at least enough to know that, according to my six year old daughter, Danny Phantom apparently has a female clone who has all the same powers he has except that "sometimes, she melts." I haven't seen the episode, but so far it's looking like female characters roughly tie the males on that show.
And that's just for starters. On the R-rated front, we also have our Girl Messiah (who in fact begins her cinematic life, not as a lovestruck sex object, but as a complete and utter dork) in addition to hard-nosed Girl Astronauts, followed thereafter by Girl Marines.
And those aren't even RECENT trends. Try the various female leads in TV Dramas; CSI, Law and Order, 24, etc. Try the leads from this endless slew of romantic comedies which (with one notable exception) generally portray the female portion of the cast as being relatively stable and deliberate while their male counterparts blunder their way into and/or out of meaningful relationships. We're now several episodes into our SECOND incredibly scary female Terminator, which is all just as well since this is only about the sixth time since Bridget Fonda that we've had a major motion picture or TV production about a-chick-who-could-probably-kick-your-ass.
Yet any attempt to display women in any role that acknowledges the fact that they ARE women somehow gets blasted by an elite clique of other women for... well, the reasons vary, but it usually has something to do with messages. Why does this keep happening? Is it it feminism? Is it anti-feminism? Is it post-modern crypto-feminism trying to come to terms with itself? Is there a compelling and realistic way to cast a female character that won't piss off the moral crusaders, or do we just have to go on pretending that women and men talk, act, dress, think and feel exactly alike?
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Posted by: Crazy H on Feb 22, 2008 11:28 AM
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Kicking butt, taking names, and never, ever, selling as many comics as their male counterparts.
Princesses simply sell better than super-heroines. Believe me, if female ninjas sold better Hollywood would be turning out female ninjas just as fast as the other crap.
But don't blame them. From my strictly non-scientific survey, mommies are more likely to encourage daughters to play dress-up than cowboys-and-indians; and more likely to buy her dollies than guns; more likely to encourage her to build concensus than to 'stand up for yourself.'
I'm not trying to say whether it's nature or nurture, just paying attention to the facts.
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Feb 22, 2008 11:41 AM
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(The "Golden Age" of female heroism in US entertainment (tv, film, video, etc.) would be the 1980's, which gave the world the wonderful Lt. Ripley AND Sara Conner.)
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Posted by: Tahlavi on Feb 22, 2008 11:46 AM
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 22, 2008 12:39 PM
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Posted by: dumdumboy on Feb 22, 2008 1:56 PM
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The whole premise of this piece is untrue. Note to author: next time, do some research.
-From the father of a seven-year-old boy.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Feb 22, 2008 2:42 PM
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» RE: Ditto for the corporate world (stiil!)
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» Only 10% Female employees at Apple? Please give me your source?
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» It's the culture, stupid
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Posted by: SalB on Feb 22, 2008 11:49 PM
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And from now on, when a new clever movie comes out starring a guy, I will consider it cliched. If writers really want to be creative, they need to start writing about women in a recognizable, flawed way, i.e. the way we really are.
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Posted by: davy on Feb 23, 2008 1:53 AM
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From a young man in an old mans body. :-) Only KINDNESS will work !!!! TRUTH
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 23, 2008 8:27 AM
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Folks, those are CARTOON values...or Bushite values, which is essentially the same thing.
Victims of cartoon violence don't die. You don't get splattered with their blood. The victim isn't a friend, family member, or military buddy. No one bashed over the head has double vision and short-term memory loss.
All this cartoon violence is so utterly removed from consequence -- even as the violence is offered as a solution to a problem -- that it teaches children casual brutishness. It allows the Reptile and Mammalian brain fractions to "learn" that responding with violence carries no personal price tag, but instead is actually fun, invigorating, and heroic. Is this not another example of the new American anti-intellectualism?
Time to teach our kids that thinking and talking, not kicking, provide the tools for civilization. As progressives, we need to recognize that violent fantasies are a Con specialty: We should not grease their way to spreading this rot by indoctrinating children.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Feb 23, 2008 10:58 PM
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Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 24, 2008 12:48 AM
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Posted by: gbalternet on Feb 29, 2008 4:07 AM
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Geena, Just turn off the tv if you don't like the ninjas..most of them little girls in question probably aren't watching ninja turtles anyway...they're probably onto word girl instead...
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Posted by: leta on Feb 22, 2008 1:16 AM
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» the whole concept is crap. it comes down to what you teach your child
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Posted by: Kevbo on Feb 22, 2008 2:51 AM
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Does the gender of a ninja matter when they're flipping out and killing people? I think not.
As for pirates I submit to you the film fiasco of one Geena Davis known as "Cutthroat Island". I believe that film may have sapped any girl's interest in piracy and swashbuckling.
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» Dude, not enough people go to scifi cons to get that.
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» > how do you know the gender of a ninja?
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Posted by: felipe on Feb 22, 2008 3:11 AM
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We (wife & I) make an effort to ensure our 4 year old daughter has positive female role models and influences. That includes her seeing a woman Dr. and attending taekwondo program ran by 3 wonderful women, among other things. Her favorite musical artist is Regina Spektor, not Hannah Montana. That crap is not even allowed in our house and she has idea who HM is. No Wiggles either. Age is no excuse for horrible taste. (She loves Klaus Nomi too, weird I know).
Other things we don't allow include Bratz dolls (Slutz as we call them) or any of the Disney Princess as a lifestyle junk. Groovy girls are appropriate dolls and if she wants to play dress up we have fairy costumes.
The point is that as parents we have to make choices in what our children 'consume'. Sure it takes work to dig through the crap to find media and toys that we find acceptable.
Unfortunately too many parents can't be bothered so they park the kid(s) in front of the TV, most likely set to the Disney channel, to eat a Happy Meal while they play with some p.o.s. toy they bought without thinking at Wally World. Then they blame the media, the schools and everybody else when their kid turns out all f'ed up. It's much easier than doing the work than to take responsibility for ones own actions.
Final note, no we're not perfect, we mess up on a regular basis. All parents do.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Feb 22, 2008 4:31 AM
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Maybe little girls like movies about pretty little princesses who get rescued by handsome princes, and male mice that scurry around making pretty dresses for them. Has her "Institute" bothered to ask them?
I mean, do women who read romance novels expect all men in the real world to have bad accents, play guitar outside their window all night, and pick them up for their date on a white horse? Perhaps some, but I think most read that stuff because it's fantasy. Should they start writing romance novels with guys who are kind of boring and geeky, but who have a steady job and are a good father to the children? Maybe, but that should be left to the writer and the consumer, don't you think?
I say, stop letting tall actresses meddle in children's entertainment like some sort of right-wing religious group, and ask the kids what they'd like to see. Right, kids?
If she wants to make a difference, why doesn't she open a technical college or a ninja academy for girls or something, so that girls in the real world who do lean toward traditionally "male" occupations or roles have a place to go.
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» Exactly...but the issue pervades all Media and its not limited to Female portrayals
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Posted by: mbruton on Feb 22, 2008 5:54 AM
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If more women enter these and other related fields then more women can get in there and write/produce/animate subjects and themes from their own perspective. They tell writers to write what they know, men know society and the world from a male perspective. Is it such a great surprise or a conspiracy if it shows?
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on Feb 22, 2008 6:05 AM
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- Kimpossible
- some cartoon where there are three heroines in three different colors of jumpsuits
- some cartoon where there is one tiny heroine with huge eyes
- some school cartoon where the chief character is a ball-busting matron
plus a bunch of others.
The message is always the same in these:
- women hold the moral upper hand
- women are competent, men are not
- women can easily kick the butts of men around them
I can't think of a single current cartoon where a male character isn't a screwup. Futurama, The Simpsons, Tripping the Rift... it's all the same.
This is what is being poured into little heads. Congratulations, feminists, you've clearly won your fight to program little boys to think that they are valueless in modern society.
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Posted by: rickiey on Feb 22, 2008 6:13 AM
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Most cartoon characters, are shown to be, in some form or another, a type of bumbling idiot. Yes, even the ninjas.
When you have a male character, you can make him as stupid, bumbling, clueless and flawed as you want. Creativity is your only limit.
Do the same to a female character, and the retaliation is fierce.
Take the Simpsons, for example (Since it is the longest running, must popular cartoon): Homer has become a symbol for stupidity. Marge? The symbol for an obviously superior intellect saddled with a moron. Bart, a malicious and yet strangely popular kid. Lisa? Much more intelligent, of course.
It isn't relegated to just cartoons, either. Have you noticed that almost all family sitcoms have the same characters?
Dad-Overbearing, clueless, thoughtless inconsiderate unattractive bumbling idiot.
Mom-Patient, caring, thoughtful, attractive, intelligent woman.(Roseanne was the exception that proves there is a rule)
Since only majorly flawed cartoon characters are considered funny, the kid gloves that networks must treat females with, exclude them from being cartoons.
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 22, 2008 8:01 AM
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Yeah, sure, "that's all they'll watch". If such is true at all, it is because we raise our kids in an environment of hyper-stimulation:
1. Broadcast media pelts them with hyper-caffeinated advertisements and excruciatingly noisy 'toons.
2. Music pounds them with The Beat to the point they can't listen to anything that is not percussive. (Aside from this, listen to them speak: Through the the third decade, far too many kids speak in monotone. They have no internal music, and no deep sense of language.)
3. Toys and games reward hand-eye co-ordination at the expense of intellect-imagination development. A singular failure in this regard is the recent crop of boob-tube-babysitter DVDs
4. Our educational system, falling prey to Con ideology, continues to sacrifice art, music, and genuine physical education classes in favor of rote-learned lessons and gladiatorial sports.
Geena has part of the issue right, but nothing will resolve this problem better than book-loving parents and teachers transmitting that love of reading to their children, while shutting off all the electronic babysitters. Only then might we begin to regain competitiveness in research sciences, advanced math, and other fields where America is no longer a first-tier contributor.
What say? You are too busy "providing for them" to read to them, challenge them, and save them from the boob tube? Well then, plan on spending a chunk of what you "provide" on Ritalin and/or Prozac, because you are probably raising another Pharma Customer...a child who truly won't care whether there was a "girl ninja" or not.
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Posted by: newtype_alpha on Feb 22, 2008 9:26 AM
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If you haven't been living in a cage for the last twenty frickin years you can find them here, here and possibly, here. If that wasn't enough, it's at least enough to know that, according to my six year old daughter, Danny Phantom apparently has a female clone who has all the same powers he has except that "sometimes, she melts." I haven't seen the episode, but so far it's looking like female characters roughly tie the males on that show.
And that's just for starters. On the R-rated front, we also have our Girl Messiah (who in fact begins her cinematic life, not as a lovestruck sex object, but as a complete and utter dork) in addition to hard-nosed Girl Astronauts, followed thereafter by Girl Marines.
And those aren't even RECENT trends. Try the various female leads in TV Dramas; CSI, Law and Order, 24, etc. Try the leads from this endless slew of romantic comedies which (with one notable exception) generally portray the female portion of the cast as being relatively stable and deliberate while their male counterparts blunder their way into and/or out of meaningful relationships. We're now several episodes into our SECOND incredibly scary female Terminator, which is all just as well since this is only about the sixth time since Bridget Fonda that we've had a major motion picture or TV production about a-chick-who-could-probably-kick-your-ass.
Yet any attempt to display women in any role that acknowledges the fact that they ARE women somehow gets blasted by an elite clique of other women for... well, the reasons vary, but it usually has something to do with messages. Why does this keep happening? Is it it feminism? Is it anti-feminism? Is it post-modern crypto-feminism trying to come to terms with itself? Is there a compelling and realistic way to cast a female character that won't piss off the moral crusaders, or do we just have to go on pretending that women and men talk, act, dress, think and feel exactly alike?
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Posted by: DeeOhGee on Feb 22, 2008 9:51 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Feb 22, 2008 11:28 AM
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Kicking butt, taking names, and never, ever, selling as many comics as their male counterparts.
Princesses simply sell better than super-heroines. Believe me, if female ninjas sold better Hollywood would be turning out female ninjas just as fast as the other crap.
But don't blame them. From my strictly non-scientific survey, mommies are more likely to encourage daughters to play dress-up than cowboys-and-indians; and more likely to buy her dollies than guns; more likely to encourage her to build concensus than to 'stand up for yourself.'
I'm not trying to say whether it's nature or nurture, just paying attention to the facts.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 22, 2008 11:35 AM
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Feb 22, 2008 11:41 AM
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(The "Golden Age" of female heroism in US entertainment (tv, film, video, etc.) would be the 1980's, which gave the world the wonderful Lt. Ripley AND Sara Conner.)
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Posted by: Tahlavi on Feb 22, 2008 11:46 AM
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» RE: FEMINISM ?
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 22, 2008 12:39 PM
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Posted by: dumdumboy on Feb 22, 2008 1:56 PM
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The whole premise of this piece is untrue. Note to author: next time, do some research.
-From the father of a seven-year-old boy.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Feb 22, 2008 2:42 PM
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» RE: Ditto for the corporate world (stiil!)
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» Only 10% Female employees at Apple? Please give me your source?
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Posted by: SalB on Feb 22, 2008 11:49 PM
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And from now on, when a new clever movie comes out starring a guy, I will consider it cliched. If writers really want to be creative, they need to start writing about women in a recognizable, flawed way, i.e. the way we really are.
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Posted by: davy on Feb 23, 2008 1:53 AM
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From a young man in an old mans body. :-) Only KINDNESS will work !!!! TRUTH
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 23, 2008 8:27 AM
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Folks, those are CARTOON values...or Bushite values, which is essentially the same thing.
Victims of cartoon violence don't die. You don't get splattered with their blood. The victim isn't a friend, family member, or military buddy. No one bashed over the head has double vision and short-term memory loss.
All this cartoon violence is so utterly removed from consequence -- even as the violence is offered as a solution to a problem -- that it teaches children casual brutishness. It allows the Reptile and Mammalian brain fractions to "learn" that responding with violence carries no personal price tag, but instead is actually fun, invigorating, and heroic. Is this not another example of the new American anti-intellectualism?
Time to teach our kids that thinking and talking, not kicking, provide the tools for civilization. As progressives, we need to recognize that violent fantasies are a Con specialty: We should not grease their way to spreading this rot by indoctrinating children.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Feb 23, 2008 10:58 PM
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Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 24, 2008 12:48 AM
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Posted by: aurora545 on Feb 24, 2008 7:57 AM
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Posted by: gbalternet on Feb 29, 2008 4:07 AM
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Geena, Just turn off the tv if you don't like the ninjas..most of them little girls in question probably aren't watching ninja turtles anyway...they're probably onto word girl instead...
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