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Three Reasons to Hate Facebook
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1. I don't want you to know who my friends are. Facebook is a second-generation social network, which means its developers have learned from the mistakes of early social networks like Friendster and MySpace. Like its predecessors, Facebook will give you a free profile page, where you can list as much information about yourself as you are willing to give up -- including what you've just bought online. As you make "friends," you link to their profiles and they link to yours.
Like its predecessors, Facebook is all about showing people who your friends are. And frankly, there are plenty of people I might want to connect with online who don't need to know about one another. It's not like I've got anything to hide, but even if I did, so the fuck what? Sometimes there are perfectly good reasons not to introduce all of my friends to one another.
I realize there are privacy restrictions on Facebook that allow me to hide my friend lists or make them only semivisible to people in networks, blah blah blah. But those are a pain in the ass to set up, and so, like most people on Facebook, I default to letting my friends see one another. I don't have to go around parties in real life advertising whom else at the party I know or have slept with. Why should I have to do so if I want to socialize online?
2. Too many annoying, inexplicable, and useless software applications are circulating on Facebook. Every time I log in to Facebook, I see in the upper right-hand corner of the screen all the "requests" and "pokes" and whatever the fucks I have from my social network. Many of these requests are generated by small software applications that people have written to run on top of Facebook. See, Facebook opened up parts of its system called application programming interfaces, or APIs, which allow anyone to write some dumb program that will send you crap.
Recently a number of those programs had allowed people in my social network to go through their friend lists and send automatically generated requests to join groups, take quizzes, or whatever. Here is the insane list I had in my requests bar: "1 gay request, 1 american citizen test request, 1 good karma request, 1 smartest friend invitation." And there have been so many others, like "hottest friends invitation," "zombie invitation," "vampire bite request," and "compare movie scores invitation." Yes, it sounds fun and whimsical at first, as if social relations have been turned into a fanciful playground. But then you get a spam feeling.
Usually, responding to requests requires you to sign up for something and give some information about yourself and download another piece of software. And why the hell do I want to answer a gay request from a zombie? I mean, that sounds good until you have to download unknown software from an unknown gay zombie. The fun turns out to be just noise. And there's nothing worse than noise in your personal profile space.
3. Facebook enforces social conformity. Some people are only figuratively forced to join Facebook, because if they don't it will be hard for them to network with friends and business associates. But I was actually forced to join by my employers, because we use Facebook as our employee contact list. OK, nobody pointed a gun at my head, but it was either join or be unable to access the contact information of anybody at my company. I'm not saying my company is evil or even wrong -- Facebook is a reasonable way of setting up an employee contact list for a company full of telecommuters.
It's just that being forced made me feel more than ever that Facebook is a tool of social conformity. The more public our friend lists are, the more we'll feel like we have to pick friends based on public opinion.
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Posted by: g50 on Feb 12, 2008 3:13 PM
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Posted by: hagwind on Feb 12, 2008 6:07 PM
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Most of what I hear from friends about Facebook and MySpace reminds me of passing notes in elementary school. In my spare time I wonder how coming generations are going to develop the social skills that come with give-and-take contact with three-dimensional people, or maybe that should be "three-dimensional contact with give-and-take people." I suspect there are going to be more and more people who act like the nerdiest nerds at science fiction conventions, but they won't be nerds anymore because everyone's like that. They'll look cuter than your average nerd, and you'll never find out that they're hiding behind someone else's photo because you aren't going to meet them in person anyway.
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Posted by: youngdem on Feb 13, 2008 4:25 PM
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If you want, you can make it so that no one can see who your friends are. So what? People can see who you eat lunch with too. And as you mention, you can change this setting anyway.
Your comments are noted, and while there's some truth to them, they kind of sound like yet another hipster criticizing something just because it's popular.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 13, 2008 6:03 PM
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No criticism of those of you who don't mind that - I guess I'm simply not that social.
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Posted by: Herb3705 on Feb 13, 2008 7:29 PM
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don't like facebook?...great...quit.
don't write some lame ass article about how it's too much time to set the privacy controls.
weak sauce.
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Posted by: Graeme on Feb 13, 2008 8:20 PM
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Posted by: Logical Extremes on Feb 13, 2008 9:12 PM
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At least I can use MySpace anonymously to check out new music.
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Posted by: Zenobia on Feb 14, 2008 7:39 AM
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Personally, I put in far-fetched demographic info for myself. (I, too, was forced to join for a class.) Don't know how much that helps, but at least it felt rebellious against, yes, the great conformity of these sites.
Yes, it does feel like passing notes in elementary school, as someone noted. Yes, I agree LinkedIn is much better for professional networking and less fluffy.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 15, 2008 3:22 PM
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Posted by: hole11 on Feb 14, 2008 6:37 PM
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Sometimes the pictures, graphics and music is kind of interesting but I much rather talk to someone face to face than to hear or see it from a web page. Even the telephone is so impersonal. Why make a personal phone call if the person lives near you? Can it wait until you see that person?
Maybe desperate people who don't have very much free time might use a singles network or something in order to advance their business or love life. I can see that. But having a page all about themselves doesn't make a person more interesting it picks interest but to me it seems like I am reading the latest obituary. Nothing beats personal contact.
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Posted by: JayMonster on Feb 15, 2008 7:35 AM
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You are too lazy to set the security settings that you complain you want, but don't want to use? Duh.
API - Blame your "friends" for using all these inane applications. You should know better than this. Any API, whether Facebook, iPhone, Windows, whatever, will always have inane applications. Some because newbies want to write something. And some because this is how people learn to use the tool. The API is not the problem, nor is it the barrage of useless applications. It is your friends that are using them and can't seem to hit the "skip" button that asks them to invite you to also join these apps.
Social Conformity - This one took me for a loop. I never would have taken you for one to fall for High School Peer Pressure tactics. You can't be a "friend" to someone because they are not "cool enough" for you to be associated with? Guess you aren't a friend to begin with then. That is really sad.
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Posted by: JJdazer on Feb 16, 2008 3:56 AM
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We know all your details, were coming to get you!!
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Posted by: renelucy on Feb 16, 2008 3:30 PM
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As far as being concerned about flesh and blood encounters I found by UNPLUGGING myself from whatever (CD, IPOD, cellphone) when in public, I actually meet and speak with flesh and blood people and occasionally make a friend I can literally "reach out and touch."
"Can you hear me now?"
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 17, 2008 12:34 AM
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Somewhere along the way the marketing people figured out how to target kids in a way nobody ever had before and started an unending assault on them that lasts to this very day. Many of those kids are now young adults and the fears used to motivate them to buy Nikes and A&F are the same things that make them give away their privacy for the profit of others.
What ever happened to making friends out of your neighbors, co-workers, people from the local house of worship, community organizations and school? Are people so effing busy now that they don't have time to stop and chat up others at the water fountain, the break room, the check-out line and on the sidewalk where they live? Has the separation of the gated community, the private school and all the rest gotten so bad that people have to meet up via the internet? No wonder things are so screwed up in America.
The conformity that is a norm in the youth culture is part of what is stifling our music, art, politics and community. It amazes me that some neighborhood association thinks it has a right to tell me that I cannot hang a satellite dish on my house, or what color I can pick for my new shingles or how many cars my garage must be capable of holding. Where did these frigging anal people come from? Didn't anybody play with them as kids?
I don't want corporations owning anything about me or my family- from the data miners to the 'social networks'. If you want to know something about me walk/drive over and ask- I'll tell you if it's none of your business or whatever.
Maybe if some of these people would turn off their Crackberry, pull the iPod earbuds out, relax a bit and act like something other than a Manhattanite with a mission they might not need the internet to find some friends. Do yourself a favor, unplug from the eternal shill machine and turn your damn cell phone, PDA, laptop off long enough to enjoy your lunch or have a real conversation with an 'in the flesh' person. Unless you are a volunteer firefighter or on-call physician it can probably wait.
I don't do facebook or any of that other crap. When I'm not on call at the hospital I turn my cell phone off. I never IM or e-mail people who aren't at least an hour or two away- at minimum. I do not drive, wear or eat the latest trend. When I am off the last place I want to be is where the uptight and conformist sheeple are. Anybody who values that stuff that is the stock on social networking sites up-front and wants to surround themselves with nothing but people 'like-us' is nobody I have any interest in.
They used to call people afraid to stand out from the herd parochial. These days it seems to be the norm.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Feb 17, 2008 3:15 PM
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Of course, it's also nice to connect with loved ones in a fun way, and that's where Facebook succeeds. It is a fad. One we all shall laugh about years from now and, perhaps unfortunately, will prolly still be able to Google even then. :lol:
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 18, 2008 7:42 PM
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And never once have any of us considered a site like Facebook or, God forbid--MySpace. Isn't MySpace for little girls or something?
Ugh. Just not my style.
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Posted by: brian_ on Feb 25, 2008 10:26 AM
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it's for creative types, mostly music/art/photography/graphic design.
it's a lightweight program without too much extra crap, and the UI looks pretty good, too.
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Posted by: hagwind on Feb 12, 2008 6:07 PM
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Most of what I hear from friends about Facebook and MySpace reminds me of passing notes in elementary school. In my spare time I wonder how coming generations are going to develop the social skills that come with give-and-take contact with three-dimensional people, or maybe that should be "three-dimensional contact with give-and-take people." I suspect there are going to be more and more people who act like the nerdiest nerds at science fiction conventions, but they won't be nerds anymore because everyone's like that. They'll look cuter than your average nerd, and you'll never find out that they're hiding behind someone else's photo because you aren't going to meet them in person anyway.
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Posted by: youngdem on Feb 13, 2008 4:25 PM
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If you want, you can make it so that no one can see who your friends are. So what? People can see who you eat lunch with too. And as you mention, you can change this setting anyway.
Your comments are noted, and while there's some truth to them, they kind of sound like yet another hipster criticizing something just because it's popular.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 13, 2008 6:03 PM
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No criticism of those of you who don't mind that - I guess I'm simply not that social.
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Posted by: Herb3705 on Feb 13, 2008 7:29 PM
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don't like facebook?...great...quit.
don't write some lame ass article about how it's too much time to set the privacy controls.
weak sauce.
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Posted by: Graeme on Feb 13, 2008 8:20 PM
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Posted by: Logical Extremes on Feb 13, 2008 9:12 PM
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At least I can use MySpace anonymously to check out new music.
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Posted by: Zenobia on Feb 14, 2008 7:39 AM
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Personally, I put in far-fetched demographic info for myself. (I, too, was forced to join for a class.) Don't know how much that helps, but at least it felt rebellious against, yes, the great conformity of these sites.
Yes, it does feel like passing notes in elementary school, as someone noted. Yes, I agree LinkedIn is much better for professional networking and less fluffy.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Feb 15, 2008 3:22 PM
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Posted by: hole11 on Feb 14, 2008 6:37 PM
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Sometimes the pictures, graphics and music is kind of interesting but I much rather talk to someone face to face than to hear or see it from a web page. Even the telephone is so impersonal. Why make a personal phone call if the person lives near you? Can it wait until you see that person?
Maybe desperate people who don't have very much free time might use a singles network or something in order to advance their business or love life. I can see that. But having a page all about themselves doesn't make a person more interesting it picks interest but to me it seems like I am reading the latest obituary. Nothing beats personal contact.
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Posted by: JayMonster on Feb 15, 2008 7:35 AM
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You are too lazy to set the security settings that you complain you want, but don't want to use? Duh.
API - Blame your "friends" for using all these inane applications. You should know better than this. Any API, whether Facebook, iPhone, Windows, whatever, will always have inane applications. Some because newbies want to write something. And some because this is how people learn to use the tool. The API is not the problem, nor is it the barrage of useless applications. It is your friends that are using them and can't seem to hit the "skip" button that asks them to invite you to also join these apps.
Social Conformity - This one took me for a loop. I never would have taken you for one to fall for High School Peer Pressure tactics. You can't be a "friend" to someone because they are not "cool enough" for you to be associated with? Guess you aren't a friend to begin with then. That is really sad.
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Posted by: JJdazer on Feb 16, 2008 3:56 AM
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We know all your details, were coming to get you!!
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Posted by: renelucy on Feb 16, 2008 3:30 PM
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As far as being concerned about flesh and blood encounters I found by UNPLUGGING myself from whatever (CD, IPOD, cellphone) when in public, I actually meet and speak with flesh and blood people and occasionally make a friend I can literally "reach out and touch."
"Can you hear me now?"
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Feb 16, 2008 5:03 PM
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And if you would like to follow along, you too can join up here:
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 17, 2008 12:34 AM
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Somewhere along the way the marketing people figured out how to target kids in a way nobody ever had before and started an unending assault on them that lasts to this very day. Many of those kids are now young adults and the fears used to motivate them to buy Nikes and A&F are the same things that make them give away their privacy for the profit of others.
What ever happened to making friends out of your neighbors, co-workers, people from the local house of worship, community organizations and school? Are people so effing busy now that they don't have time to stop and chat up others at the water fountain, the break room, the check-out line and on the sidewalk where they live? Has the separation of the gated community, the private school and all the rest gotten so bad that people have to meet up via the internet? No wonder things are so screwed up in America.
The conformity that is a norm in the youth culture is part of what is stifling our music, art, politics and community. It amazes me that some neighborhood association thinks it has a right to tell me that I cannot hang a satellite dish on my house, or what color I can pick for my new shingles or how many cars my garage must be capable of holding. Where did these frigging anal people come from? Didn't anybody play with them as kids?
I don't want corporations owning anything about me or my family- from the data miners to the 'social networks'. If you want to know something about me walk/drive over and ask- I'll tell you if it's none of your business or whatever.
Maybe if some of these people would turn off their Crackberry, pull the iPod earbuds out, relax a bit and act like something other than a Manhattanite with a mission they might not need the internet to find some friends. Do yourself a favor, unplug from the eternal shill machine and turn your damn cell phone, PDA, laptop off long enough to enjoy your lunch or have a real conversation with an 'in the flesh' person. Unless you are a volunteer firefighter or on-call physician it can probably wait.
I don't do facebook or any of that other crap. When I'm not on call at the hospital I turn my cell phone off. I never IM or e-mail people who aren't at least an hour or two away- at minimum. I do not drive, wear or eat the latest trend. When I am off the last place I want to be is where the uptight and conformist sheeple are. Anybody who values that stuff that is the stock on social networking sites up-front and wants to surround themselves with nothing but people 'like-us' is nobody I have any interest in.
They used to call people afraid to stand out from the herd parochial. These days it seems to be the norm.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Feb 17, 2008 3:15 PM
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Of course, it's also nice to connect with loved ones in a fun way, and that's where Facebook succeeds. It is a fad. One we all shall laugh about years from now and, perhaps unfortunately, will prolly still be able to Google even then. :lol:
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Posted by: Longdream on Feb 18, 2008 7:42 PM
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And never once have any of us considered a site like Facebook or, God forbid--MySpace. Isn't MySpace for little girls or something?
Ugh. Just not my style.
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Posted by: brian_ on Feb 25, 2008 10:26 AM
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it's for creative types, mostly music/art/photography/graphic design.
it's a lightweight program without too much extra crap, and the UI looks pretty good, too.
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