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Jonah Goldberg's 'Liberal Facism' Brings Historical Revisionism to Comical New Heights
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"I'm-a gonna write two books, one callin' libruls TRAITORS and the other one callin' 'em GODLESS," cackled a sauced Coulter while sipping down her gin and tonic.
"Pfffffft, anyone can call 'em godless traitors," said D'Souza. "I'm-a write a book that blames libruls fer 9/11"
Not one to be outdone, Goldberg pounded his Amstel Light on the table and rose to his feet.
"Tha's nothin'!" he shouted. "I'm-a write a book that calls all libruls FASCISTS!"
Coulter and D'Souza burst into laughter.
"Tha's shameless e'ev fer you!" said Coulter. "Yer own magazine used ta make a habit of praising Franco!"
"I can too write a book about librul fascism!" said an indignant Goldberg as he trudged off to the men's room. "I'll show you! I'll show you all!" And that, in my mind, is how Liberal Fascism was born.
For the uninitiated, Liberal Fascism is a new book by National Review editor Jonah Goldberg that contends that Hitler and Mussolini were committed left-wingers, and that today's liberals are fascism's natural intellectual heirs. While this may sound like yet another Coulteresque quickie aimed at prying some money out of Dittohead Nation, Goldberg insists that it is actually a Very Serious Work that "isn't like any Ann Coulter book" because it presents an argument that "has never been made in such detail or with such care. Goldberg also goes to great lengths from the start of the book to say that he's not really saying liberals are fascists, but hey, here are 400 pages of similarities between liberals and fascists, and if you start associating the two of them by the end of the book, then that's not his fault.
But despite Goldberg's protestations and caveats, "Liberal Fascism" is indeed a remarkably silly work that's jam-packed with the same sloppy logic and dodgy research that we've come to expect from today's conservative pundit class. On page 2, for instance, Goldberg admits that he doesn't really know how to define fascism and that "not even the professionals have figured out what exactly fascism is." But as anyone who's followed Goldberg's career can tell you, lacking knowledge on any given subject in no way impedes him from writing over 400 pages on it. Indeed, not providing a concrete definition of fascism is essential to his case, since it allows him to define fascism however he pleases. Goldberg puts this conceit to good use throughout the book, as everyone from the French revolutionaries to Teddy Roosevelt-era Progressives to the New Dealers to communists to the '60s New Left to Hillary Clinton is linked with fascism at one point or another. By the end of the book, Goldberg comes off as a lonely, belligerent drunk who shouts obscenities at people leaving his local 7-11.
"You're all fuh-fascists!" you can picture Goldberg hollering on a city street corner. "Every damn onea ya's a fuh-ffffffffascist!"
But what in the world do Hitler's Germany, Soviet Russia and America under the Roosevelts all have in common, you ask? For one thing, Goldberg contends that all of these regimes gained popular support by using sinister populist rhetoric that painted wealthy capitalists in a negative light. Through sheer ignorance or ideological blindness, Goldberg never explores why trashing wealthy plutocrats during the Gilded Age and the Great Depression had become both politically profitable and morally sound. Rather, he deems all populist rhetoric as a key piece of the anti-individualist "totalitarian political religion" that American liberalism shares with Communism and Fascism.
Later in the book, the connections between liberalism and fascism grow even flimsier. For instance, did you know that "Hitler claimed to be a dedicated vegetarian" and that he would "talk for hours about the advantages of a meatless diet and the imperative to eat whole grains?" Sounds a lot like that long-haired hippie uncle who drives that hybrid car to family reunions every year, no? And gee, did you realize that the Nazis had a vigorous animal protection program, just like what the vegefascists at PETA are advocating? Oh sure, Goldberg says, you could argue that "animal rights activism was a major concern of pre-Nazi Germany" and that "the animal rights movement shouldn't be associated with Nazi Germany." But that doesn't get animal rights activists off the hook, because their "conventionally leftist views were held by the Nazis," which suggests that "Nazism isn't as alien to mainstream progressive thought as some would have us believe." (To appreciate how absurd this comparison is, try applying it to a local store that has a "no shoes, no service" policy. As in, "Sure a lot of people wore shoes in pre-Nazi Germany, but the local store owner's insistence that his customers wear them shows that Nazism isn't as alien to his views as some would have us believe.")
While a lot of this stuff is easy to laugh off, some of Goldberg's historical revisionism is downright sickening. In one particularly grotesque passage, he tries to obfuscate the Nazis' treatment of homosexuals by calling their attitudes toward homosexuality "a source of confusion." Oh sure, he writes, "some homosexuals were sent to concentration camps," but it's also true that the early Nazi party was "rife with homosexuals." I'm sure the 100,000 men who were arrested for being homosexuals in Nazi Germany, as well as the thousands more who died in concentration camps, were proud to see their brethren so well-represented in the SS.
Most stunningly, Goldberg completely glosses over the American Right's support for any fascist governments, stating that "no leading conservative intellectual or scholar celebrated fascist themes or ideas" and that "to the contrary, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Regan, William F. Buckley Jr. and the conservatives around the National Review dedicated themselves to restoring the classically liberal vision of the Founders." He must not have read Buckley's "Letter from Spain" dated Oct. 26, 1957, where he praised Gen. Francisco Franco as "an authentic national hero" who was "not an oppressive dictator" but rather "only as oppressive as it is necessary to be to maintain total power, and that, it happens, is not very oppressive, for the people, by and large, are content."
In a lot of ways, this kind of nonsense shouldn't be surprising coming from Goldberg, since it's the same lazy brand of inherited thinking that defines today's conservative movement. For like his contemporaries William Kristol and John Podheretz, Goldberg was raised by prominent figures within the right-wing movement and was trained from the start to be an influential public "intellectual." And just as Kristol and Podheretz's writings closely mirror the neoconservative views espoused by their parents, Goldberg's penchant for attacking liberals in the most shameless and slimy ways imaginable is unsurprisingly similar to the style of his mother Lucianne, a right-wing literary agent who first came to national prominence when she helped Linda Tripp break the Monica Lewinsky scandal to the press. Indeed, I imagine Lucianne training young Jonah to hate Democrats by repeatedly bopping him over the head with a frozen bratwurst meant to represent Bill Clinton's penis.
"Woof! Clenis bad! Clenis bring pain!" I picture the beleaguered pundit-in-training yelping as his mother's stern hand reared back and prepared to deliver another hit.
In a lot of ways, this book feels as though it was published two years too late, and not merely because it came out more than two years after its initial release date. In the panicked years between 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina, many Americans mindlessly gobbled up silly polemics that trashed the wicked, nasty, all-powerful Left who wanted nothing more to see America lose to the terrorists lurking in the shadows. But with the collapse of the Bush presidency and with the GOP's loss of Congress, it seems that the American public's patience for zany right-wing antics has finally run out. In the future, Liberal Fascism may be seen as the Bush Right's version of Abbey Road: it's a last gasp of fun before an impending crack-up.
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Posted by: tap17x on Jan 11, 2008 7:34 PM
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Posted by: wilty on Jan 11, 2008 7:41 PM
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might it not also be true that he has the ability to create psychic environments as well?
Through intricate rationalization and self delusion, one can manufacture a reality of choice, and sell it to a dumbed-down audience, thanks mainly to an educational system, that has been dying on the vine, for the past 40 years.
It is no surprise, that the Goldbergs and Coulters, to name just a few, of the Conservative Force, can foster and spoon-feed such gobbledygook. After seeing how lazy the American mind has become, this is what exactly what is to be suspected.
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Posted by: Stupid Git on Jan 11, 2008 9:05 PM
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Hmmm... A party who hates homosexuals and yet is filled to the brim with them? Call me nutty but that sounds an awful lot like the Republican Party if you ask me.
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"The real agenda of this movement," claims Marquardt, "is not to give rights to animals, but to take rights from people—to dictate our food, clothing, work, recreation, and whether we will discover new medications or die."
Identical assertions could have been made about the abolition of human slavery, the crusade to end child labor, the liberation of concentration camp prisoners from Nazi physicians or an end to the experimentation upon black humans by white humans.
Marquardt writes that the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) "now encourages vegetarianism, the banning of fur, and the eventual end to all animal research, not just ‘cruel’ animal research." Marquardt writes that the Humane Society now supports vegetarianism.
According to Marquardt, "The typical animal rights activist is a white woman making about $30,000 a year. She is most likely a schoolteacher, nurse, or government worker. She usually has a college degree or even an advanced degree, is in her thirties or forties, and lives in a city."
According to Marquardt, the "political clout" of the animal rights movement "is surprisingly bipartisan. But most of the leading politicians working with the animal rights movement are liberal Democrats." Marquardt mentions Senator Barbara Boxer of California, Nevada Congressman Jim Bilbray, Charlie Rose of North Carolina, Tom Lantos and Gerry Studds.
Marquardt admits, however, that "some Republicans are animal rightists, too. Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas often supports animal rights causes—except, of course, those pertaining to cattle, a major business in Kansas. Senator Robert Smith of New Hampshire was a founder of the Congressional Friends of Animals. Bob Dornan of California, one of the most conservative House members, is an animal rights advocate—he cosponsored legislation banning the use of animals in testing cosmetics and received a PETA award. And Manhattan Congressman Bill Green promoted legislation that would have shut down over 90 million acres of federal land to hunting, fishing, and trapping."
Marquardt states further that "Although he’s not an elected official, a conservative political figure who, surprisingly, is on the other side is G. Gordon Liddy, author Will and a key figure in the 1972 Watergate uproar. When I went on Liddy’s radio show, he and PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk greeted each other with hugs and kisses and lots of warm words.
"With allies in both political parties and across the ideological spectrum," concludes Marquardt, "the animal rights movement has been able to score some great successes, regardless of which party controls the White House or Capitol Hill."
In a 1996 article, "Nazis and Animals: Debunking the Myths," Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights states that Hitler "had a special fondness for sausages and caviar, and sometimes ham," as well as "liver dumplings." Kalechofsky states further that the Nazis experimented on animals as well as humans in the concentration camps:
"The evidence of Nazi experiments on animals is overwhelming. In The Dark Face of Science, author John Vyvyan summed it up correctly: ‘The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: all were in continuation of, or complementary to, experiments on animals. In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence, and at Buchenwald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme.’"
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 11, 2008 11:12 PM
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This theory, now thoroughly debunked, seems to have found a welcome place with ideologues of the Christian right, as witness the book by that arch homophobe (and admitted alcoholic and drug addict) Scott Lively of the Abiding Truth Ministries and defendthefamily.com, author of "Homosexuality and the Nazi Party."
The confusion is entirely on Goldberg's and Lively's part. It seems to derive, at least in part, from a confusion between the S.S. and S.A. As we know, Ernst Roehm headed the latter organization, perceived by Hitler to be a powerful competitor for control of the masses and a foe of his own upcoming S.S. It was for this reason that the Fuhrer had Roehm assassinated and staged a grand pogrom of the S.A. in the infamous "Night of the Long Knives" massacre.
Subsequently, many thousands of homosexuals were carted off to concentration camps and forced to wear a pink triangle. Homosexuality was thought unmanly and anti-Aryan and was thus prohibited by law. The Nazis, like many Christians, wanted citizens to "be fruitful and multiply," not be fruits. A sense of desperation has given rise to the Far Right Wingnut equivalent of the Blood Libel against the Jewish people: by comparing homosexuals to Nazis, an entire group of people is given a mark of Cain.
Don't you believe it!
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Posted by: coñoloco on Jan 12, 2008 2:00 AM
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Reading him,listen to Limbaugh and watching
wrestlers big asses.A librus 9 yr old
probably has deeper thoughts.
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Posted by: Sissy on Jan 12, 2008 6:29 AM
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Isn't it great readers, to finally be beyond having to defend yourself or to keep silent if you have any beliefs that just might be left of center? I know, many of you will stand tall and say that you never cowered in the face of criticism, but sometimes it got discouraging when people actually believed that if we were Liberal there was no doubt that we were unChristian, immoral, unpatriotic, dishonest, did not support the troops and worst of all "baby killers".
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"The lack of a sense of history is the damnation of the modern world."
Thanks again, Alternet!
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Posted by: madmac10 on Jan 12, 2008 8:40 AM
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Meanwhile, the left tries to make do, paying their people in good feelings. No wonder we lost the microphone! The left has to be willing to spend--heavily--in media. We cannot expect a few martyrs (Danny & Cliff Schecter, Robert Greenwald, and of course, Alternet) to bravely tilt against these paladins with mimeograph machines and coffee! We need to start paying the media players on the left at least as well as Fox and Friends pay. C'mon, guys... start coughing up. You'll be amazed at the results.
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jan 12, 2008 9:44 AM
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And now I'm shocked again to find that Jonah's little exercise in projection overlooked several irrefutable identities between liberals and fascists:
1. Both liberals and fascists have, on average, one nose and one mouth per customer, accompanied by pairs of eyes, ears, arms and legs.
2. Both liberals and fascists tend to use separate orifices for eating and excreting.
3. Both liberals and fascists generally avoid eating broken glass, razor blades, and concrete blocks.
See? Now we're getting somewhere.
Had I been Jonah's editor, I'd have advised him to place his fig-leaf fussing about the Bush Administration in the first 100 pages, not at the end: By the time his target audience has read 100 pages, their lips are too exhausted to go any further.
Clearly, as noted in the article, Jonah is a sterling representative of the vast right-wing gene pool, dragging his knuckles in train with Rush, Ann-Orexic, The Bills (Kristol and Buckley), Michelle Malkin, and a nit named McClanahan in our Kansas City Star. Scribblers of their ilk know their task: They must codify the Cons' ideological tunnel-vision, hypocrisy, and utter lack of balance into simplistic buzz phrases that can be passed on to the yearning legions of the dim.
Actually, what foams up from the Jonahs and Anns does have one useful purpose: It is the only reliable test I've found that can differentiate between a hard-right Con, a Centrist Dem, and a traditional Republican. Cons love this kind of junk, while Centrists giggle -- embarrassed, as always, to be "liberal", and old school Republicans (Kevin Phillips, John Dean, David Cay Johnston) shudder with disgust.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jan 12, 2008 9:56 AM
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(Apparently he was a government mole.)
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 12, 2008 10:56 AM
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Jonah had an Amstel Light...
What was Dinesh drinking???
$50 says Zinfandel!
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Posted by: Luther Blissett on Jan 12, 2008 11:30 AM
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I can't believe (well, actually I can) that this guy wrote a book based on the premise that "if Hitler promoted it, its obviously evil." Hitler's favorite composer was Beethoven, his favorite piece of music was the 9th symphony. Obviously, if you listen to Beethoven you're a Nazi. He also banned trade unions, something I'm sure lots of Republicans would love to do.
Look at me, I've been sucked into playing "nuh uh, you're more like Hitler!"
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Posted by: boblecht on Jan 13, 2008 5:49 AM
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Fascism is simple to define; the author merely seeks to confuse the reader by claiming it is nebulous. CISC (above) got it right--
GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE CORPORATIONS AND FOR THE CORPORATIONS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. IT IS FASCISM.
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Posted by: Scientz on Jan 13, 2008 6:42 AM
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Robert O. Paxton's seminal work, "The Anatomy of Fascism" makes the same preliminary argument that even the "experts" cannot define fascism. That being said, its an interesting exercise to use this acknowledged fact to attempt a completely revisionist angle.
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Posted by: pig on Jan 13, 2008 11:57 AM
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Bill Clinton is a neoliberal after all which is effectively corporatavism on a global scale. Tony Blair rephrased illegal military invasions as "liberal interventions" whilst constructing a fascist police surveillance state in the UK. The "liberal" Israeli Labor Party has always been the greater killer of Palestinians and greater land thieves than the right wing Likudniks.
So, while Jonah Goldberg is truly a monumental waste of carbon, the Americans who like to call themselves liberals (and now wish to rebrand as "progressives") perhaps should be putting a bit more thought into what they truly believe and the results of their ideological bent.
The third world has no sympathy with you at all. They see the results, they lose from your policies and they die from your unthinking.
Oink!
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We find that the congressman that decries homosexuality the loudest is actually a self-hating closeted homosexual. The radio host that bloviates the most about illegal drug use is actually addicted to prescription painkillers. The presidential candidate that screams about government waste actually increases the national debt more than anyone before him, once elected. The pattern goes on and on. It is a cornerstone of their ideological foundation.
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Posted by: Parcival01 on Jan 15, 2008 4:17 PM
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Get onto Amazon.com and give the book's positive reviewers the negative feedback they deserve!
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might it not also be true that he has the ability to create psychic environments as well?
Through intricate rationalization and self delusion, one can manufacture a reality of choice, and sell it to a dumbed-down audience, thanks mainly to an educational system, that has been dying on the vine, for the past 40 years.
It is no surprise, that the Goldbergs and Coulters, to name just a few, of the Conservative Force, can foster and spoon-feed such gobbledygook. After seeing how lazy the American mind has become, this is what exactly what is to be suspected.
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Posted by: Stupid Git on Jan 11, 2008 9:05 PM
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Hmmm... A party who hates homosexuals and yet is filled to the brim with them? Call me nutty but that sounds an awful lot like the Republican Party if you ask me.
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"The real agenda of this movement," claims Marquardt, "is not to give rights to animals, but to take rights from people—to dictate our food, clothing, work, recreation, and whether we will discover new medications or die."
Identical assertions could have been made about the abolition of human slavery, the crusade to end child labor, the liberation of concentration camp prisoners from Nazi physicians or an end to the experimentation upon black humans by white humans.
Marquardt writes that the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) "now encourages vegetarianism, the banning of fur, and the eventual end to all animal research, not just ‘cruel’ animal research." Marquardt writes that the Humane Society now supports vegetarianism.
According to Marquardt, "The typical animal rights activist is a white woman making about $30,000 a year. She is most likely a schoolteacher, nurse, or government worker. She usually has a college degree or even an advanced degree, is in her thirties or forties, and lives in a city."
According to Marquardt, the "political clout" of the animal rights movement "is surprisingly bipartisan. But most of the leading politicians working with the animal rights movement are liberal Democrats." Marquardt mentions Senator Barbara Boxer of California, Nevada Congressman Jim Bilbray, Charlie Rose of North Carolina, Tom Lantos and Gerry Studds.
Marquardt admits, however, that "some Republicans are animal rightists, too. Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas often supports animal rights causes—except, of course, those pertaining to cattle, a major business in Kansas. Senator Robert Smith of New Hampshire was a founder of the Congressional Friends of Animals. Bob Dornan of California, one of the most conservative House members, is an animal rights advocate—he cosponsored legislation banning the use of animals in testing cosmetics and received a PETA award. And Manhattan Congressman Bill Green promoted legislation that would have shut down over 90 million acres of federal land to hunting, fishing, and trapping."
Marquardt states further that "Although he’s not an elected official, a conservative political figure who, surprisingly, is on the other side is G. Gordon Liddy, author Will and a key figure in the 1972 Watergate uproar. When I went on Liddy’s radio show, he and PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk greeted each other with hugs and kisses and lots of warm words.
"With allies in both political parties and across the ideological spectrum," concludes Marquardt, "the animal rights movement has been able to score some great successes, regardless of which party controls the White House or Capitol Hill."
In a 1996 article, "Nazis and Animals: Debunking the Myths," Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights states that Hitler "had a special fondness for sausages and caviar, and sometimes ham," as well as "liver dumplings." Kalechofsky states further that the Nazis experimented on animals as well as humans in the concentration camps:
"The evidence of Nazi experiments on animals is overwhelming. In The Dark Face of Science, author John Vyvyan summed it up correctly: ‘The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: all were in continuation of, or complementary to, experiments on animals. In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence, and at Buchenwald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme.’"
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 11, 2008 11:12 PM
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This theory, now thoroughly debunked, seems to have found a welcome place with ideologues of the Christian right, as witness the book by that arch homophobe (and admitted alcoholic and drug addict) Scott Lively of the Abiding Truth Ministries and defendthefamily.com, author of "Homosexuality and the Nazi Party."
The confusion is entirely on Goldberg's and Lively's part. It seems to derive, at least in part, from a confusion between the S.S. and S.A. As we know, Ernst Roehm headed the latter organization, perceived by Hitler to be a powerful competitor for control of the masses and a foe of his own upcoming S.S. It was for this reason that the Fuhrer had Roehm assassinated and staged a grand pogrom of the S.A. in the infamous "Night of the Long Knives" massacre.
Subsequently, many thousands of homosexuals were carted off to concentration camps and forced to wear a pink triangle. Homosexuality was thought unmanly and anti-Aryan and was thus prohibited by law. The Nazis, like many Christians, wanted citizens to "be fruitful and multiply," not be fruits. A sense of desperation has given rise to the Far Right Wingnut equivalent of the Blood Libel against the Jewish people: by comparing homosexuals to Nazis, an entire group of people is given a mark of Cain.
Don't you believe it!
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Posted by: coñoloco on Jan 12, 2008 2:00 AM
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Reading him,listen to Limbaugh and watching
wrestlers big asses.A librus 9 yr old
probably has deeper thoughts.
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Posted by: Sissy on Jan 12, 2008 6:29 AM
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Isn't it great readers, to finally be beyond having to defend yourself or to keep silent if you have any beliefs that just might be left of center? I know, many of you will stand tall and say that you never cowered in the face of criticism, but sometimes it got discouraging when people actually believed that if we were Liberal there was no doubt that we were unChristian, immoral, unpatriotic, dishonest, did not support the troops and worst of all "baby killers".
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Posted by: Thucy on Jan 12, 2008 7:49 AM
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"The lack of a sense of history is the damnation of the modern world."
Thanks again, Alternet!
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Posted by: madmac10 on Jan 12, 2008 8:40 AM
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Meanwhile, the left tries to make do, paying their people in good feelings. No wonder we lost the microphone! The left has to be willing to spend--heavily--in media. We cannot expect a few martyrs (Danny & Cliff Schecter, Robert Greenwald, and of course, Alternet) to bravely tilt against these paladins with mimeograph machines and coffee! We need to start paying the media players on the left at least as well as Fox and Friends pay. C'mon, guys... start coughing up. You'll be amazed at the results.
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jan 12, 2008 9:44 AM
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And now I'm shocked again to find that Jonah's little exercise in projection overlooked several irrefutable identities between liberals and fascists:
1. Both liberals and fascists have, on average, one nose and one mouth per customer, accompanied by pairs of eyes, ears, arms and legs.
2. Both liberals and fascists tend to use separate orifices for eating and excreting.
3. Both liberals and fascists generally avoid eating broken glass, razor blades, and concrete blocks.
See? Now we're getting somewhere.
Had I been Jonah's editor, I'd have advised him to place his fig-leaf fussing about the Bush Administration in the first 100 pages, not at the end: By the time his target audience has read 100 pages, their lips are too exhausted to go any further.
Clearly, as noted in the article, Jonah is a sterling representative of the vast right-wing gene pool, dragging his knuckles in train with Rush, Ann-Orexic, The Bills (Kristol and Buckley), Michelle Malkin, and a nit named McClanahan in our Kansas City Star. Scribblers of their ilk know their task: They must codify the Cons' ideological tunnel-vision, hypocrisy, and utter lack of balance into simplistic buzz phrases that can be passed on to the yearning legions of the dim.
Actually, what foams up from the Jonahs and Anns does have one useful purpose: It is the only reliable test I've found that can differentiate between a hard-right Con, a Centrist Dem, and a traditional Republican. Cons love this kind of junk, while Centrists giggle -- embarrassed, as always, to be "liberal", and old school Republicans (Kevin Phillips, John Dean, David Cay Johnston) shudder with disgust.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jan 12, 2008 9:56 AM
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(Apparently he was a government mole.)
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Jonah had an Amstel Light...
What was Dinesh drinking???
$50 says Zinfandel!
plur
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Posted by: Luther Blissett on Jan 12, 2008 11:30 AM
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I can't believe (well, actually I can) that this guy wrote a book based on the premise that "if Hitler promoted it, its obviously evil." Hitler's favorite composer was Beethoven, his favorite piece of music was the 9th symphony. Obviously, if you listen to Beethoven you're a Nazi. He also banned trade unions, something I'm sure lots of Republicans would love to do.
Look at me, I've been sucked into playing "nuh uh, you're more like Hitler!"
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Fascism is simple to define; the author merely seeks to confuse the reader by claiming it is nebulous. CISC (above) got it right--
GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE CORPORATIONS AND FOR THE CORPORATIONS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. IT IS FASCISM.
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Posted by: Scientz on Jan 13, 2008 6:42 AM
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Robert O. Paxton's seminal work, "The Anatomy of Fascism" makes the same preliminary argument that even the "experts" cannot define fascism. That being said, its an interesting exercise to use this acknowledged fact to attempt a completely revisionist angle.
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Posted by: pig on Jan 13, 2008 11:57 AM
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Bill Clinton is a neoliberal after all which is effectively corporatavism on a global scale. Tony Blair rephrased illegal military invasions as "liberal interventions" whilst constructing a fascist police surveillance state in the UK. The "liberal" Israeli Labor Party has always been the greater killer of Palestinians and greater land thieves than the right wing Likudniks.
So, while Jonah Goldberg is truly a monumental waste of carbon, the Americans who like to call themselves liberals (and now wish to rebrand as "progressives") perhaps should be putting a bit more thought into what they truly believe and the results of their ideological bent.
The third world has no sympathy with you at all. They see the results, they lose from your policies and they die from your unthinking.
Oink!
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We find that the congressman that decries homosexuality the loudest is actually a self-hating closeted homosexual. The radio host that bloviates the most about illegal drug use is actually addicted to prescription painkillers. The presidential candidate that screams about government waste actually increases the national debt more than anyone before him, once elected. The pattern goes on and on. It is a cornerstone of their ideological foundation.
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Get onto Amazon.com and give the book's positive reviewers the negative feedback they deserve!
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