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How to Turn Blue Collars Into Blue Voters: The Psychology of the Working-Class Male

By Bruce E. Levine, AlterNet. Posted December 21, 2007.


Democrats need to learn from Kerry's mistakes and tap into this crucial demographic.
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I have been a clinical psychologist in private practice for more than two decades in southwestern Ohio, a Republican stronghold in the state that broke Democrats' hearts in 2004. Three years later, it appears that most of the "blue team" remembers Ohio only for voter fraud, but I remember how Democratic candidate John Kerry failed to emotionally connect with the blue-collar blues sufferers here -- especially the younger men.

My office is a mile from the Ohio River. Across the river to the south is Kentucky, closer than Brooklyn is from Manhattan, and a short drive west takes me to Indiana. In this Ohio-Kentucky-Indiana area, union jobs that pay livable wages are vanishing, but the blue-collar group that's not disappearing is the one that Howard Dean got himself in trouble for taking seriously: guys with a pickup truck and a Confederate flag.

I know one young man who drove a pickup truck with tires twice the normal size and had a Confederate flag hanging in his pole barn. He did a major favor for a friend of mine whom he came to like, and he was shocked when I told him what the impact of the flag would be on this person who is African-American. I told him that for many African-Americans the Confederate flag is as repugnant as a swastika is for myself and most Jews. He immediately got rid of his flag to avoid being offensive, apologized, and said, "For most of my friends, the flag is not about racism but about rebellion." The rebellion can be unspecified, but mostly it is against the U.S. government. There is no safer phrase in his world than, "I love America, but I hate our government."

For this young man and his friends, there is no shame in not voting. They don't take seriously what the Democrats and the Republicans say about the issues, assuming "they are all liars who will say anything to get elected." Some older blue-collar men in my part of the world know that historically the Democrats, more than the Republicans, have thrown them an occasional bone. But the younger generation knows that the farms their daddies once owned are now upscale subdivisions, and that the plants where their daddies once worked are now vacant because of, in part, Bill Clinton and the Democrats' North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) triumph.

Over the years, I have counseled many blue-collar men after they had been laid off from factory jobs and had begun to abuse alcohol, other drugs and/or their spouses. Today, I increasingly see younger men who have never held a job with a living wage. I recently talked to two such men in their mid-twenties, both unemployed and on parole for substance-abuse related offenses. Seeing no other options, they are intent on joining the military when their parole ends. Having nothing to do, they often drive around aimlessly, sometimes listening to right-wing radio. Both of these young men were Bush supporters in 2004, though neither actually voted.

One of these young men routinely repeats, "Michael Moore is a rich, liberal opportunist." But he just as routinely expresses a deep hatred for CEOs with multi-million dollar salaries. He likes U.S. history, and when we discussed anarchists Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman's plot to kill Carnegie Steel Chairman Henry Frick after Frick had reduced steel workers' wages and attempted to break the union with scabs, the young man smiled with admiration. He maintained his affection even after I told him that Goldman and Berkman were more politically left of Moore than Moore is left of Bush. Upon leaning that Berkman botched the job and only wounded Frick and served 14 years in prison, the young man chuckled and said, "Sounds like some stupid crap that I would have gotten into."


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Bruce E. Levine, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and author of Surviving America's Depression Epidemic: How to Find Morale, Energy, and Community in a World Gone Crazy (Chelsea Green, 2007).

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To get back the Blue Collar Male---
Posted by: buzzsaw on Dec 21, 2007 4:11 AM   
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The Democrats can start by keeping their hands off our guns.

buzzsaw

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» Bravo Posted by: gellero
» percentage-wise Posted by: YogiBear
» murder rates Posted by: gellero
» If you can't afford the guns.... Posted by: Philip Newton
what???
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Dec 21, 2007 4:21 AM   
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Just what the Hell is this author really trying to say?

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» RE: what??? Posted by: realist
» RE: what??? Posted by: appleton14
samothrellim
Posted by: milltom on Dec 21, 2007 4:24 AM   
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Proving once again,there is more in common with our blue collar brothers and sisters than divides us. In fact, this bond extends around the world to the smallest, isolated ethnic group. Barack understands this. We need to break down these unnecessary barriers.

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Skim this article, then read Joe Bageant
Posted by: hagwind on Dec 21, 2007 4:59 AM   
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. . . anything by Joe Bageant, but especially Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War. He grew up redneck working class in Winchester, Virginia. He left home, but home didn't leave him; he eventually went back. Not only does he totally nail the gun issue, he tells stories about women as well as men.

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» I read the whole book Posted by: medstudgeek
Here, here!
Posted by: SufiLizard on Dec 21, 2007 6:24 AM   
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I'm glad to finally see more voices expressing what I refer to as the Red State Blues.

The right paints us liberals as arrogant elitists and too often we play right in to that stereotype.

Instead of deriding everything redneck, perhaps we should find some common ground that we can build on. That doesn't mean we have to excuse hatred and racism, but we can try to understand its underlying roots and build on the good things we share in common with our blue collar brothers and sisters.

Thank you for this article.

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First of all, the existing Democrats in Washington need to quit selling out. Then only can
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 21, 2007 6:37 AM   
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there be any realistic chance that the Democrats will have something real to show for. Just look at the MISERABLE FAILURE the party made of itself the ENTIRE YEAR capitulating to Bush issue after issue. The GOP are already cashing in on that MAJOR weakness and will without any hesitation shoot the party down with their usual social hot button issues such as guns, abortion, gays, creation, "global warming", "tax cuts" with a morality twist, terrorism, stem cell research, etc ... For 50 years, the Democrats have had no real infrastructure, organization, unity, or long term planning. With the "every man and woman for themselves" DYSFUNCTIONAL LOSER attitude, they can forget trying to reach out to anyone. In fact, they had better be worried that more pissed off Democratic rank-and-files will not even bother to vote thereby DEPRESSING voter turnout for the party.

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» You still don't get it Posted by: timemachinist
» Sorry, you don't get it Posted by: sausage
» Help me understand Posted by: timemachinist
» RE: Help me understand Posted by: maxpayne
Democrats need to jump off a bridge
Posted by: timemachinist on Dec 21, 2007 6:47 AM   
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"Democrats need to learn from Kerry's mistakes and tap into this crucial demographic."

No. Democrats need to jump off a bridge. They are the twin imperialist corporatist head, along with the other head (the Republicans), of a single beast. Democratic Party is only half of the illusion of a 2-party system. There is no better way to have a monorail politics than to disguise it as competition between 2 parties. But they are the twin tracks of the slow trainwreck of American Empire. VOTE SCHMOTE, it doesn't matter.

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otto
Posted by: otto on Dec 21, 2007 7:08 AM   
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Thanks for giving me a few new thoughts and insights. We need to remember that communication isn't all intellectual but emotional as well...and that different people are at different stages in their lives and outlooks.

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What does this article have to do with the Democratic Party anyway?
Posted by: timemachinist on Dec 21, 2007 7:11 AM   
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Thanks, Bruce Levine, for analyzing our anxieties and insecurities. But what does that have to do with the one-party system disguised as 2? And why would anyone give a flying fuck what happens to the Democratic Party?

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IT'S EASY (NOT SIMPLE)
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 21, 2007 7:30 AM   
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This 'demographic' as it's called can't be tapped into as they are. They want their 'blue collar jobs' that once allowed them to live a decent life. Until that happens, they will remain indifferent. Being out of work and hopeless is not an emotional state, it's real.They have no incentive to vote for anyone. Their needs are immediate and primitive. I don't expect them to respond to a politician who simple wants their vote. It's an insult. Thanks, ANNA

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» Finally, someone with some sense Posted by: timemachinist
Only half the story
Posted by: Derek Maddox on Dec 21, 2007 7:58 AM   
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I am a reforming redneck. Raised in Memphis and northern Mississippi, lived in trailer parks in Ohio and Georgia, before finally breaking out of that world and into a different standard of living. So I know that this article does a pretty good job of capturing at least part of the "redneck" persona.

But there are several issues which stand in the way of capturing these voters for the Democratic party, or for any other political body that espouses liberal or progressive causes.

Some of the most vocal advocates of Democratic candidates and progressive issues are the very groups which repulse these working class folks. You've got Code Pink, who may have noble motives but are seen by the masses as "commie pinkos" who are anti-American. You've got the anti-gun lobby, trying desperately to take away their guns. You've got PETA and other groups telling them they not only shouldn't eat meat, but they should feel guilty for catching that prize bass. You've got the pro-abortion groups that are advocating baby-killing (again, from their perspective). You've got all sorts of GLBT groups encouraging Americans to stop telling their members that they are sinners. You've got the global warmers telling them they've got to give up their old pickups, drive little hybrids that can't pull their bass boats, and stop watching NASCAR.

Any one of these issues, alone, would be enough to completely alienate the vast majority of the "redneck" crowd. Put them all together, and there's no way in hell they're going to vote for you. They may not vote for the other guy, either, but you sure aren't going to get them to put an X by the Democrat candidate.

Democrats can't seem to get the fringe groups back onto the fringe. Unless and until they do, you can forget the redneck, NASCAR vote.

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» RE: Only half the story Posted by: CatDad
» RE: Only half the story Posted by: Derek Maddox
» RE: Only half the story Posted by: CatDad
» I'll partly agree with you Posted by: Derek Maddox
» RE: Only half the story Posted by: Derek Maddox
» RE: Only half the story Posted by: sprthmmr
Train Wreck of American Politics ...
Posted by: gazooks on Dec 21, 2007 8:31 AM   
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are the result of the working populace being forced off track through division(s) via ignorance, indifference, fear, hate and greed propagated by "authority".

That's the basic manipulative tool box of the autocrats, corporate fascists and social elitists. Keep the people divided through racism, sexism, patriotism, poverty, social status, and cultivating the threat of potential looming poverty if the line is not toed, unions need not apply.

Then, through romance of the mindless, manipulated and morally contradictory and divisive cesspool that is the politics of religious institutions, exacerbate division through implicit hatred of competing faiths, and explicitly of fags, fems and foreigners.

Cater to the basest of human instincts by reinforcing the sense of power achievable through violence in "entertainment", sports and historic glorification of violence through romance of political conflict and the artifacts of war. Happiness, truly, is a warm gun and all's fair in a waterboarding war.

Create a continual threat of constantly shifting enemies foreign and domestic, cast aspersion, innuendo and implicit messages of hate through client media. Then remind the masses who's "keeping you safe".

Who wouldn't want to take the F-150, the AR-15, a bottle of Jack and go blow some shit away.

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Kerry Won in 2004 according to Ohio Secretary of State..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Dec 21, 2007 9:30 AM   
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The Democratic party abandoned white males working class males especially over 20 years ago and it's only gotten worse with their support for the overwhelming illegal alien invasion..at the expense of the average American..

That said Kerry Won the Presidential race in 2004 the Ohio Secretary of state has now come out with new information showing the Ohio was stolen by the Republicans , Karl Rove and the Bush family Mafia..

An the same process and hacking is in place to steal the 2008 election as well she was on Amy Goodman's Democracy Now so go check it out how our government and this administration is completely illegal and illegitimate on top of all the other abominations they have inflicted..!

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Bygone days
Posted by: willymack on Dec 21, 2007 9:31 AM   
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Does ANYONE seriously believe that the days of smokestack industries will return if only the right candidate assumes the White House job? Portrayal of poor, ignorant hayseeds as hapless twits who, if they voted at all, would consistently vote against their own self-interests, gains us NOTHING. I'm still waiting for a candidate who'll advocate a program aimed at repairing our infrastructure, eliminating all railroad crossings, and seriously working at a program to replace combustion (of anything) to produce power and propulsion. Never mind nuclear;that's a time bomb waiting to explode. The aforementioned programs would probably employ tens of millions of people (non-Americans and illegals need not apply), and accomplish what we all know needs to be done. Oh, by the way, no Halliburtons or their ilk need to apply, either.

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» RE: Bygone days Posted by: Sparks56
» The 5 Year Plan Posted by: gellero
Who is the working class?
Posted by: Dianka on Dec 21, 2007 10:09 AM   
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Aren't most working class Americans today women?

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» Good point. Posted by: PaulK
» just a drone Posted by: timemachinist
BREAKING NEWS: CYNTHIA MCKINNEY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AS GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE !!!
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 21, 2007 11:43 AM   
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Who can blame her?

Can't say she'd win but she looks like a perfect "Ross Perot" of 1992 when voters who voted Ross Perot were more for voting NONE OF THE ABOVE more than for him.

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» Be Brave liberal compromisers. Posted by: MobileSucks
How? By organizing around issues that matter to them.
Posted by: mtoth14 on Dec 21, 2007 12:56 PM   
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Working America, community affiliate of the AFL-CIO, has been in Ohio since 2004. We reach out to people who may not have a workplace union but understand that good jobs, health care, secure retirement and education are the priorities of all working families, union or not.

After only 4 years of existence, Working America has grown to 2 million members, making us one of the biggest and fastest-growing progressive organizations in the country. Our members are mostly working class moderates from the suburbs and exurbs who have often been swayed by conservative social issues, but who are moved to take action on campaigns to save the State Children's Health Insurance Program, to increase the minimum wage, to preserve the Family and Medical Leave Act, and many more key fights crucial to supporting working people. When a Working America canvasser knocks on a door, two out of three people join our organization, and one out of five writes to their Congressional representative that night.

A profile of the Working America members shows that two-thirds of them do not have a college degree, two in five attend church at least weekly and one-third own guns. Half are neither strong Democrats nor strong Republicans -- but Working America turns their concerns into action and results for a progressive economic agenda. We engage our members both on the issues that matter to them and in elections with results. Seventy percent of our members vote for labor-endorsed candidates.

If you want to know what's on the mind of working people in Ohio (or Pennsylvania, or Oregon, etc.), check out our blog (Word on the Street, http://blog.workingamerica.org). Our canvassers post stories about the interactions they have with folks while knocking on doors.

Labor historian Nelson Liechtenstein said recently about Working America that "in many ways, the AFL-CIO is reinventing a political wheel that once gave to union labour the kind of voice that made it the bedrock constituency for progressive politics during its mid-20th century heyday." (You can look up his article on Working America at http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ )

-Max Toth
Online Organizer
Working America, AFL-CIO

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Blue collar better decide what's important
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Dec 21, 2007 1:12 PM   
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You'll NEVER get everything you want from one party or another. I never liked labor unions, but I always voted Democratic because the Repugs were worse than the Dems.

The problem for blue collar voters is that they can't set priorities. Dems are more likely to represent urban areas, which means that they're going to support more gun control than a rural voter might like. Get over it, Unless you want the economics the Repugs are going to give you. Then you deserve to become serfs.

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» RE: "Then you deserve" Posted by: aka_bozo
my my, aren't we condescending?
Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Dec 21, 2007 1:38 PM   
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the only sane comment was Anna's. I AM blue-collar, and union, and the more you elitist pansies try to portray me and my co-workers as stupid, the more we pull away. we aren't stupid. the majority of us have college degrees. and believe me, we can see through all the bs from the government and even our own unions. the only ones looking out for us IS us. it's every person for themselves.

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A Bit Ironic
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 21, 2007 4:40 PM   
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A bit ironic that they ran this article in the same edition as the white privilege artice. There is an above post that talks about all the ways the "left" alienates this group. Telling people who "never made a living wage" they are privileged is the last thing they want to hear. Now, I do believe white privilege exists. I teach about it, and am enjoying the change of pace devil's advocate role here. But when one can't keep a decent roof over their head or afford health insurance, they are not in the mind set to hear social justice lectures. I am not saying it is right or fair. I am just saying that is human nature. Liberals do need to come down from that elite high horse and understand how hard it is for some people just to survive. Otherwise, they will send this demographic straight into the hands of right wing nut jobs like Limbaugh.

I agree with the above poster that we need to stress what unites us. We need to find a way to achieve common ground, and make people see the power elite for the enemy they are. Maybe then we can take back this country and make some genuine progress.

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Both parties rely on BIG money, the electoral process needs change!
Posted by: atka on Dec 21, 2007 7:57 PM   
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As long as our political candidates have to come up with their own or fundraised campaign money, there won't be any real change in politics. Big business, be it oil, pharma, logging, etc. will get their agendas on the ballots, one way or another. I've read most of the comments and believe, based on the past 4 elections, this country is pretty much divided 48-52 or so and not much can be accomplished unless we change the whole fundraising system. Come on, if half of our elected officials (that's probably an underestimate) go on junkets, golf trips, etc., and also our appointed government officials do the same, what the heck can we expect???
Another thought is, why, with all the griping and moaning about the democrats and republicans being one and the same, a third party has not come up with a better plan for the future? One wonders that is precisely because of the funding issue - only those already rich and therefore tainted to some degree (you don't get rich by being fair and virtous) can run. That leaves a whole lot of decent folks out of the real running, like possible Kucinich.

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Don't just get over it, REALLY get over it!
Posted by: chorton on Dec 21, 2007 9:03 PM   
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Can the Democratic party save us? Can we save the Democratic party? Are they the enemy or failed faint-of-heart friends? Wrong questions!

Are the "guys with a pickup truck and a Confederate flag" that Bruce Levine's article portrays so well people who should "support the liberals" or yahoos we'll never win? Wrong question again!

First of all, are we the liberals? If you define Liberal as someone who consistently supports the interests of working-class America, then we (and most of the Democratic "base") are liberals, although most of the Democratic Party leadership is not. And most white blue collar males, if you look at the core issues, beneath all the diversions they've been mobilized around, are too. As are most of the rest of white working-America, men and women, most Blacks, most Latinos, most working-class immigrants. So when we talk about "this demographic" we are talking about a part of "us", not a "them".

Then comes the stage we're acting on, the political system. We have a number of different theatres to struggle for progressive economic change and against war, repression and economic plunder. Max Toth, describing "Working America" above, brings out a key arena, the Union. Unions have been behind almost everything positive that has happened in America in the last hundred years. A second one, which can have a big impact although it can be a flash in the pan, is the special issue group, like local environmental issue groups, anti-War groups, veteran's groups, and groups representing "demographics" that naturally belong on our side.

Then there is partisan politics, the attempt to get our hands on the levers of power. Here, let's admit up front, the game is stacked against us, but we get openings we can exploit, both to win voices and influence in Washington and to promote our views and issues. If we are clear that the leadership of the Democratic Party is in the pocket of corporate interests and wealthy donors, then we can't be disillusioned by its failure to support our agenda. (Although we must allow ourselves our anger and dismay!) Political opportunities may come in the form of a great Green candidate and campaign, an insurgent campaign for the Democratic nomination, or if we keep the pressure up, a split in the Democratic party and a political realignment such as occurred in 1856 and 1860.

In the Democratic field, Kucinich alone is giving expression to the core beliefs, feelings and interests of working America. He has earned our support and trust. He would sweep the field if working people all had a chance to hear him speak and the "hope barrier" were to be breeched, which is why the corporate media are working so hard and in such unison to silence his voice. From the Green Party there is former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, facing major institutional hurdles, but able to tap into the very widespread disillusionment in working America with the two parties. If we play in this game we need to ask what the cost to the people is of pursuing or not pursuing a lesser of two evils strategy in the general election. Constantly supporting candidates which working people can smell as opportunists who "won't do anything for us" has gotten us nowhere. If we hold steady and keep growing and learning, eventually life will give us a choice that will work, if we will but sieze it. Who knows? Maybe this time!

The world as organized by the corporations won't meet the needs of working America; it feeds off of us. Our anger is growing along I think with our understanding. Something's gotta give, and we need to be ready, with organization and experience, to sieze the moment and give the leadership that working America needs.

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» You've got to be kidding! Posted by: Derek Maddox
» RE: You've got to be kidding! Posted by: Derek Maddox
» Have you actually Posted by: marid
its not just the "blue collar male"
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Dec 21, 2007 9:06 PM   
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only 47% of eligible voters vote...that means that 53% of voters feel some estrangement...i don't remember if that 47% refers just to registered voters or not; if it doesn't then there are even more disaffected citizens...(i don't know how many unregistered "voters" there are)...in fact, i don't know if i'm gonna vote this time round...i'm starting to feel the way my husband did - summed up by this lyric from the who: "here comes the new boss; same as the old boss"...unless we can get gravel or kucinich or even paul to the white house, i don't see much a-changing, either...so, why bother...i am about as not young blue collar pick-up truck diving "southern" boy as you can get...i am a 40 year old recently widowed white female, i live in california, have always driven an economical car (no suvs or minivans for me), i am a "tree hugger" though not a vegitarian, i worked for 20 years in the medical field and have recently finished a master's degree in history (though i am not working now), i never use the n-word, i've never flown a confederate flag (i too find it offensive), i don't care about your sexual orientation, "race", color or handicap and i try to be respectful to all belief systems...but i feel betrayed by the democratic party as a whole (kusinich and gravel not withstanding)...the only thing i see that might change things is for a shake-up in the parties...maybe a party for kusinich, gravel and paul AND a party for everyone else who has been bought off by special interest corporate sponsors (clinton, obama, romney, giuliani, etc...)...i guess the difference between me and your blue collar boy is that i once thought votes mattered and that "the people" could change things...whereas the "boys" were never engaged...

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The stench of a classist superiority complex
Posted by: JesseBC on Dec 21, 2007 9:15 PM   
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I more or less agree with the gist of Levine's argument here. I understand that there is a working class subculture in which Republicans have greatly benefited from churches having replaced the union halls. I realize there's something the matter with Kansas and that Thomas Franks was probably right about what it is.

Still, whenever I read one of these things I can't quite get the stench of a classist superiority complex out of my nostrils.

For one thing, they're usually written by middle-class professionals with advanced degrees whose closest contact with a Blue-Collar Man in his natural habitat is Homer Simpson.

To make it worse, they don't seem to understand that their portrayal is degrading, that they're essentially saying the working class is too stupid to vote in its own best interests.

Judging by election results over the last quarter century a LOT of us are too stupid to vote in our own best interests.

The postmodern economy has changed the whole concept of class. There are educated people working service class jobs. Uneducated people in middle management positions who can't unionize. There's the rise of the pink collar, the freelancer, and the Gen X self-employed.

The "blue-collar working class" can no longer be defined on models along the lines of a disaffected Archie Bunker and they aren't all hard-drinking wife-beaters who listen to Rush Limbaugh while they're cruising to the local Shoney's.

Did you not think someone might take offense at this? Even the working class can read, you know.

PS No one listens to Blue Collar Comedy except middle-class people.

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RE: bygone days by willymack
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 21, 2007 10:37 PM   
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Why a Nuclear Powerplant CAN NOT Explode like a Nuclear Bomb

Bombs are completely different from reactors. There is nothing similar about
them except that they both need fissile materials. But they need DIFFERENT
fissile materials and they use them very differently.
A nuclear bomb "compresses" pure or nearly pure fissile material into a small
space. There is no other material in the volume containing the nuclear explosive.
The fissile material is either the uranium isotope 235 or plutonium. If it is uranium,
it is at least 90% uranium 235 and 10% or less uranium 238. There is no isotope
separation problem if the fissile material is plutonium. These fissile materials are
metals and very difficult to compress. Because they are difficult to compress, a
high explosive [high speed explosive] is required to compress them. Pieces of the
fissile material have to slam into each other hard for the nuclear reactions to take
place.
A nuclear reactor, such as the ones used for power generation, does not have
any pure fissile material. The fuel may be 2% to 8% uranium 235 mixed with
uranium 238. A mixture of 2% or 8% uranium 235 mixed with uranium 238
cannot be made to explode no matter how hard you try. A small amount of
plutonium mixed in with the uranium can not change this. Reactor fuel still cannot
be made to explode like a nuclear bomb no matter how hard you try. There has
never been a nuclear explosion in a reactor and there never will be. [Uranium and
plutonium are flammable, but a fire isn't an explosion.] The fuel is further diluted
by being divided and sealed into many small steel capsules. The fuel is further
diluted by the need for coolant to flow around the capsules and through the core so
that heat can be transported to a place where heat energy can be converted to
electrical energy. A reactor does not contain any high speed [or any other speed]
chemical explosive as a bomb must have. A reactor does not have any explosive
materials at all.
As is obvious from the above descriptions, there is no possible way that a
reactor could ever explode like a nuclear bomb. Reactors and bombs are very
different. Reactors and bombs are really not even related to each other.
Reccomendation: Nuclear power is the safest kind and it just got safer. Convert
all coal-fired power plants to nuclear ASAP. See the December 2005 issue of
Scientific American article on a new type of nuclear reactor that consumes the
nuclear "waste" as fuel.

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If you want a good high paying job in hard rock mining,
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Dec 21, 2007 11:08 PM   
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If you want a good high paying job as a hard rock miner, support the Space
Elevator. See www.liftport.com. Since the jobs will be on the moon, Mars and
asteroids, the Earth will not be polluted. One 2.5 mile in diameter iron asteroid
contains about $35 TRILLION worth of metals. The situation you are facing on
Earth is part of the impending collapse of civilization caused by global warming.
Atlanta, Georgia isn't the only place that is experiencing a drought. It is
happening all over the USA, Turkey, Greece, the Sahel in Africa, and China. It is
going to get a lot worse. Read: "Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet" by
Mark Lynas. The only solutions on Earth cannot avoid replacing coal fired power
plants with nuclear power plants. Read: "Environmentalists for Nuclear Energy",
by B. Comby. Order from: http://www.comby.org/livres/livresen.htm

Check out http://lifeboat.com. Some of us are working on surviving in space
while the rest of you undergo your ecological disaster and probable extinction.
We can repopulate Earth much later, when it cools back off.

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It's the way the Dems talk
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Dec 22, 2007 8:19 AM   
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Remember John Kerry and the "I voted for it before I voted against it"? While Bush always sounded like he was talking to some friends at the bowling alley, Kerry always sounded like he was defending his masters thesis.

What would have won Kerry points is if he had come out with something like this:

"Sure I voted for the war at first. The President laid out the case that we were under immediate threat from Saddam and that he had those WMDs all ready to attack us. I'm a patriot American, so of course I voted to go to war to defend our country.

Then I voted against it after I found out the whole thing was pack of lies. Saddam didn't have WMDs, and the President knew that all along. I don't like being lied to, and I don't like having our President lie to the American people. That made me mad as hell, so yes, then I voted against it!"

Something like that could have turned a lot of rural American Bush votes into Kerry votes. It's bold, it says Kerry's a guy who is not gonna take a lot of sh*t from anyone, and it speaks in plain, easy to understand language. It also taps into the anger and resentment that a lot of people have just under the surface.

The trouble is that Dems seem to think that they need a better logical argument, that if they just formulate, (or triangulate), the right policies then they will win. The Repubs understand that it's mostly an emotional appeal that wins votes.

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I have to wonder why it’s okay to discuss “the psychology of the working class male,”
Posted by: VeryBlessed on Dec 22, 2007 11:03 AM   
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since, after all, it isn’t all right to talk of the “victimized Muslim woman”:

“It is a game of binaries that pits one stereotype against another: the wretched caged female Muslim victim and her ruthless jailer society against an idealized ‘west’ that is the epitome of enlightenment, rationalism, and freedom. Those escapees who leave the herd are held up as living testimonies to the arduousness of transition from the twilights of tribe, religion and tradition, to the dawn of reason, individualism, and liberation.”

"The narrative revolves around a dehistoricised, universal 'Muslim woman'; a crushing model that oppresses flesh and blood Muslim women, denies them subjectivity and singularity, and claims to sum up their lives with all their vicissitudes and details from cradle to coffin. It reserves for itself the right to speak for them exclusively, whether they like it or not.

"Representations of the Muslim woman serve a dual legitimizing function, at once confirming and justifying the west's narrative of itself, and of the Muslim other. The victimized Muslim woman is the lens through which Islam and Muslim society are seen… And when the power balance began to shift in Europe's favor in the 17th and 18th centuries, she was made to mirror her society's fallen fortunes. She turned into a harem slave, leading little more than a dumb animal existence, subjugated, inert, abject, powerless, and invisible. She is the quintessential embodiment of a despotic, deformed, and backward Islam."

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Mike Huckabee is reaching the blue collar male
Posted by: Philip Newton on Dec 22, 2007 11:12 AM   
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The demographic addressed by this author will never be reached by the types of candidates who survive in the Democratic Party machine.

Mike Huckabee -- a populist, 2nd Amendment-defending social conservative, frequently at odds with his own party and speaking his mind comfortably, will reach these people --and has.

Like it or not, those liberal causes which resonate so mightily in New York and San Francisco are irrelevant to disenfranchised voters in the rust belt.

Blue collar families have been sold out by the Democrats as well as the Republicans, and they aren't going to be impressed by the socially progressive ideals near and dear to the hearts of upwardly-mobile liberals in the "Bookend States."

Grade: C

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Could Obama Win Over the Rednecks?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 22, 2007 6:15 PM   
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Ironically, the candidate best positioned to appeal to these voters is Obama. His articulate vision of a better, more equal America appeals to them. On the other hand, Huckabee is gaining strength by pandering the the worst side of human nature, exploiting their alienation through xenophobia, homophobia, jingoism and militarism.

Edwards's populism would probably resonate, too, but his early support for the war is going to be a major liability. Besides, I think an Obama presidency would do more to heal the longstanding wounds of racism than anything we have tried, including the Great Society. That program was about doing things for African Americans, while Obama's vision is about African Americans doing things for themselves, and for the nation.

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From a Working Class Male
Posted by: left_libertarian on Dec 23, 2007 7:17 AM   
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I was born in the Pennsylvania cool mining country and when my dad die, my mom moved us to where her parents lived in a New England mill town. Her dad worked in the mills and so did I so I am of the working class.

So after reading how Doc Levine characterizes me, I'd like to characterize him.

I imagine him going bald but to compensate for it, he has a goatee. When it is cool outside he wears a beret which he tilts to the left as he sips his Starbucks decaf latte with no fat. He tips the barista well because he has a crush on her. He drives a Volvo but is thinking of getting one of those Honda or Toyota hybrids.

He is against the war but would not pull out the troops immediately since he thinks the Iraqis are not smart enough to manage their own country.

He is against Bush and Cheney but doesn't think that they should be impeached since it would disrupt the Democrats chance to win the Presidency.

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» Yep Posted by: Philip Newton
Rednecks???
Posted by: gellero on Dec 24, 2007 12:18 AM   
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I wouldn't call these guys 'rednecks'. Dr Levine just grew up differently ( probably the same neighborhood as me ).

These young guys smoke pot, have sex, have had girlfriends who have had abortions,enjoy an occasional lap dance at a strip club. Their education ended with high school.

Their parents were never on welfare. They resent the fact that they might not have the advantage of 'affirmative action' if they work hard for a government contract, or even a place in school.

They wonder why the government allows an alien invasion of THEIR neighborhood, ( certainly not Dr. Levine's - except as a cheap maid ) and wonder why the signs at Home Depot and Lowe's are written in Spanish and English.

They wonder why guys like Dr. Levine never seem to notice these things.

They wonder why they pay for medical care, and why the minorities and foreigners abuse the emergency room for 'free care', for which they are taxed.

They wonder why almost EVERYTHING they buy is made in China, and why they can't get a good factory, mining, or manufacturing job, like their father.

They wonder why the Democrats support outsourcing jobs, and support the alien invasion.

They wonder why , in their own country, they constantly hear 'press dos por Espanol'

They wonder why their taxes are so high, when they never asked for a dime in welfare. They wonder why Unionists support the very politicians that sent their manufacturing jobs abroad. They wonder why Union bosses live like rock stars and cavort with politicians.

And the wonder why effete intellectuals and 'progressives' think the solution to everything is more taxes, more welfare, more government control.

They wonder why people think bringing a rich man down will bring them up.

They live in a different world than Dr. Levine........they see government as the CAUSE of most problems, not the solution.

They will always vote Red....the lesser of two evils.

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Looking for rational discourse not adhominem statements
Posted by: Tomover on Dec 25, 2007 12:03 PM   
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So far, I'm maintaining the hope that, via internet forums, so-called ordinary people will generate ideas about how to address our society's problems-or at least better organize ourselves, so as to better serve our respective enlightened self-interests.
I remain hopeful about finding an online community of thinkers, generating rational public discourse, so as to counter the domination of the generally non-interactive corporate, mainstream media.

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» OK Posted by: gellero