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The Audacity of Oprah
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Recently the New York Times ran a front-page story titled For Struggling Black College, Hopes of Big-Screen Revival; it was about the effect that the film is having, even before its release, on Wiley College today. Wiley did not fare well through the 1980s and '90s and came very close to closing. Thanks to the glow of celebrity interest, however, the school's buildings have been handsomely refurbished, Wal-Mart has promised to set up a scholarship fund and enrollment has suddenly doubled. The Times story ends with a moving description of a young woman about to graduate, of her plans to attend medical school, of the room Wiley has given her to dream.
It's a feel-good story, no doubt: a very satisfying saga of the aspiring little engine that could, then did -- and still had to wait all these years to be heralded for its remarkable accomplishment. It's also a story that plugs into a deeply iconic American narrative: the battered underdog picked up, brushed off and ultimately saved by the success of the spotlight -- and nary a moment too soon. The story is also iconically American in the way it loops between reality and Hollywood dream. The real Wiley College gets legitimated in its educational mission by virtue of a fictionalized representation.
The role of media, particularly the entertainment media, in allowing us to understand our civic life is not to be underestimated. Great actors, great orators and great businessmen draw upon similar thespian skills -- it's what makes them likable, salable, commercial. We Americans shovel money at those who can best perform our fantasies.
I say all this because I'm intrigued by the brouhaha attending Oprah Winfrey's decision to endorse Barack Obama's candidacy. The Internet is positively foaming at her decision to campaign for him. Celebrities -- from Toby Keith to Sammy Davis Jr., from Barbra Streisand to Jon Bon Jovi -- have always stumped for candidates, but a lot of people seem to feel that Oprah is different. She's not a background singer; she is no mere decorative backdrop. Oprah can turn a book into a bestseller!, fume the blogs. When she lends her magic touch, it's somehow complicated or even unfair. I suspect that some of the controversy comes from those who like Obama and don't relate to Oprah's television persona, or vice versa. But it's interesting to contemplate: what does it mean that some people are so concerned about whether this particular celebrity ought to express herself in the political realm?
In a very straightforward sense, it's no wonder that the Double O's are such an arresting team: one of the world's most influential black men links arms with the world's most powerful black woman, and together they sell out an 18,000-seat arena in Columbia, South Carolina, so fast that the computers crash. It's an unprecedented performance of black power in the heart of the old Confederacy. For someone who lived through the most hateful moments of the civil rights era, it's exhilarating and hopeful -- and vaguely scary in the vertigo it induces.
From another perspective, to many people Oprah embodies a comforting sort of motherly everywoman, whose embrace has been perhaps too comfortably nonpartisan. If some part of her audience felt betrayed when she lost more weight than the average soccer mom, it stands to reason that they'll feel betrayed when she takes an overt stand in the political realm.
Beyond that, however, Oprah Winfrey and Barack Obama are indeed remarkable for how unstilted they are in the public arena. Like the Wiley College debate team of old, they defy the sideshow of the exceptionally "articulate" colored person. The two of them are our most fluent contemporary orators. They are brilliant speakers, easy with large audiences, and both have a talent for translating hard topics into lucid argument. There's good reason both Obama and Winfrey are so often described as trustworthy.
In addition, their particular form of raced celebrity enshrines the notion of American mobility at a moment when it is -- in reality -- sorely vexed. As I observed in an earlier column, Obama radiates a kind of hope that crosses the immigrant epic with a romantic desire for rainbow diversity. Similarly, Oprah is the black, female, Horatio Alger, rags-to-riches story of our day. From her humble beginnings as a traumatized little girl, albeit pluckier even than Orphan Annie (we Americans do love "pluck"), Oprah reinvented herself by sheer will and rose against all odds to the very top of the phantasmagorical bubble machine we call the entertainment industry. There's a general fear of, as well as attraction to, that bubble. Is the celebrity a platform or a dog-and-pony show? Is it serious debate or entertainment? How easy the purchase of cynicism.
But if we're lucky, maybe something enduring comes of artfully imagining our ideals. Maybe, as with Wiley College, that's how we escort them into renewed life. Maybe indeed it is not too much to hope that the redemptive power of an intelligent dream might reinvigorate the exhaustion of our embattled political landscape.
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Posted by: grangersmith on Dec 19, 2007 12:51 AM
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Dec 19, 2007 2:48 AM
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much ado about nothing.
perhaps it's really the wonderful facination from the remnants of those of us who have seen the 'whites only' water fountains removed to a billionairess who transcends the ugly past we, who can remember, the ascent of the negro, through to the colored, the black, the afro-american, the african-american, to full status as 'one of us' we claim as simply as an american. she represents, to some of us, our better selves, free of our own past and prejudices. she is oprah. she is what she aspires to. she is us, our better selves. and it makes us feel there is hope in america.
perhaps that is her point.
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Posted by: richieb on Dec 19, 2007 5:23 AM
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She is the one who promoted "Million Little Pieces" (or whatever that book was called) - the fake memoir. She is the one who promoted the book "Secret" - you that's the book that says if you want something, just imagine it and you'll get it (is this the advice she gives to Obama?).
In interest of full disclosure I should say that I don not watch her show at all, although my daugther makes me watch some clips here and there.
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Posted by: fearless flower on Dec 19, 2007 5:49 AM
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There goes one of the most comfy refuges for couch sitting America. No longer can we feel OK about being unconcerned with politics. With Oprah leading the charge, a lot of us are just going to have to get our behinds up off the couch and pay some serious attention to the race for the White House. Maybe even make sure we are registered to vote.
Good for you Oprah. I may not agree with your candidate, but I like your new direction.
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Posted by: nubbsgalore on Dec 19, 2007 5:51 AM
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and for a woman who talks so much about god and praying, she sure seems to be obsessed with consumerism. who needs five 30+ million dollar homes? anyone who watches her knows she out of touch with the common chicagoan and american.
ps anybody seen that scene in the "the beloved" where she takes that monster piss. that was one of the funniest things i have ever seen.
pss in her defense, i like dr oz, and the awareness of glbt issues and spousal abuse her show creates.
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» first point: tell TPTB they are our 'employees'- just look at the past 7 years
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Dec 19, 2007 7:00 AM
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 19, 2007 7:09 AM
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It's natural that celebs end up backing or scathing politicians. At least THEY have a voice we don't have.
GO OPRAH!
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Dec 19, 2007 8:43 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 19, 2007 9:42 AM
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Many people react negatively to the expression of overarching ambition and unbounded ego; and, unfortunately, that's the way Oprah comes off too often: as the self-appointed, self-annointed Queen of Culture. Too often we have that queasy feeling that whatever she does, it is all about HER, not the recipients of her largesse.
Case in point: Her news conference concerning the molestation of girls by a teacher at her new school in Africa. To be fair, the school was a marvelous undertaking, and she could not have known beforehand that a teacher at the school would commit such a terrible act. But, in her news conference the vast majority of what I heard from her was about what Oprah was feeling, how Oprah was reacting, how upsetting the incident was for OPRAH – but, unless I zoned out, I recall hearing precious little being said by her about what the girls or their parents were going through.
I suspect that it is the impression of self-centeredness and self-promotion that puts people off Oprah, not her accomplishments – which should be acknowledged.
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Posted by: iamjmbb on Dec 19, 2007 9:44 AM
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Oprah & Obama: Corporate Marketing for a Corporate Campaign
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
SectionID=90&ItemID=14492
and/or this:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=14316
Establishment Politics in “Rebel’s Clothing:” Corporate Power, Populist Pandering, and the Ironies of Identity in the Democratic Presidential Race
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Posted by: xbj on Dec 19, 2007 10:30 AM
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Supporting a man that couldn't possibly be President in a still very racist America until at least 2016 (and after serving TWO terms as Veep at that) is the very LEAST of Oprah's problems. I've SEEN the age of the majority of voters in this country, and Obama doesn't have a chance in hell. Which is why there is so much big GOP money behind him. Even a great deal of black voters don't trust him because they seem him as a big fat unknown. Especially the older black voters.
No, it's Hillary the enemy is really petrified of. There's no offense or defense against the longest run of peacetime prosperity and economic expansion in American history. NONE.
And older voter's memories are not as short as the young and ignorant. Obama's positions are folly when it comes to the polls and winning elections. Truth be told, they're exactly the same as Hillary's. She just isn't saying it until she gets there, when she will not say, but DO.
And THAT wisdom comes from HARD experience.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Dec 19, 2007 10:44 AM
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If she decides to run, I may vote for her. What's our alternative? John McCain? Milt Romney? Joe Lieberman? Ugh.
Our country has always been about celebrities, first and foremost, and she's no exception. Other prominent people have stuck their noses (and wallets) into politics. How come you're not whining about the others now?
Relax, folks. She is NOT running, only endorsing a person whom she thinks can make this crummy country (and the world) a better place to live and offer hope for future generations.
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Posted by: Azraelsjudgement on Dec 19, 2007 10:54 AM
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Vote for the person who best represents you, your fellow citizens, and the constitution.
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Posted by: Sociallibertarian on Dec 19, 2007 10:55 AM
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Goodbye to All That
He explained to me the strange polarisation of US politics that I have not understood. In fact as he points out there is no polarisation among ordinary Americans, they are in agreement.
Andrew Sullivan:
“On domestic policy, the primary issue is health care. Again, the ferocious rhetoric belies the mundane reality”
“A large consensus in America favors legal abortions during the first trimester and varying restrictions thereafter. …..If Roe were to fall, the primary impact would be the end of a system more liberal than any in Europe in favor of one more in sync with the varied views that exist across this country.”
“On marriage, the battles in the states are subsiding, as a bevy of blue states adopt either civil marriage or civil unions for gay couples, and the rest stand pat.”
“Given this quiet, evolving consensus on policy, how do we account for the bitter, brutal tone of American politics? The answer lies mainly with the biggest and most influential generation in America: the Baby Boomers. The divide is still—amazingly—between those who fought in Vietnam and those who didn’t, and between those who fought and dissented and those who fought but never dissented at all. By defining the contours of the Boomer generation, it lasted decades. And with time came a strange intensity. ”
“The traces of our long journey to this juncture can be found all around us. Its most obvious manifestation is political rhetoric. The high temperature—Bill O’Reilly’s nightly screeds against anti-Americans on one channel, Keith Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” on the other; MoveOn.org’s “General Betray Us” on the one side, Ann Coulter’s Treason on the other; Michael Moore’s accusation of treason at the core of the Iraq War, Sean Hannity’s assertion of treason in the opposition to it—is particularly striking when you examine the generally minor policy choices on the table. Something deeper and more powerful than the actual decisions we face is driving the tone of the debate”
Giuliani, Edwards and Clinton will only perpetuate the battle in eternity. It is time to throw out the Ann Coulters and Michael Moores.
To stop this culture war we need Barack Obama as presidential candidate for the Democrats and John McCain for the Republicans.
Kick the Baby Boomers out the door, lock it and do not let them in again.
I am sick and tired of the 1968 generation, its racial war, its Cultural War, its unsound economic ideas. Its polarization of none issues. I am neither Blue nor Red, I am purple as most people are.
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Dec 19, 2007 11:30 AM
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I am waiting for your TROLLING for Clinton.
Are you that guy that "resigned" after slamming Obama all weekend?
Oh, WAIT! When you are needed in N.H. (or where ever it is that your wife is Governor) we will see you on the Clinton "advisor" board again, slamming Obama from the "front lines."
Until then? We will suffer with your trolling here.
*Gaff*
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Posted by: dockboy on Dec 19, 2007 11:33 AM
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Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Dec 19, 2007 11:43 AM
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That said, I certainly know who Oprah is. I'm not at all upset that she's gotten involved in politics or made an endorsement, but I AM upset that she endorsed a right wing candidate like Obama. I loathe identity politics, because it has caused a move to the right and has done significant harm to progressive politics. Additionally, not only is endorsing someone because he or she is of the same race, ethnicity, or gender self-serving, it's also self-defeating.
As president, a candidate like Dennis Kucinich or, to a lesser extent, John Edwards, would do far more for the majority of black people in the U.S., than Barak Obama would. Supporting Obama because he's black makes as much sense as supporting Uncle Clarence Thomas for the same reason. More importantly, Obama would continue harmful policies such as keeping troops and bases in Iraq and increasing military spending. Even from the narrow perspective of just wanting to help blacks, these are bad policies, because that money should be used for anti-poverty programs, like good education, provision of well-paying jobs to underprivileged people, and medical care.
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Posted by: odcherenow on Dec 19, 2007 11:58 AM
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The "deciders" in the D Party took Obama from obscurity and gave him the national visibility of Keynote Speaker @ last convention. Before that few had heard of him.
The goal is to have Obama draw votes away from Hillary in the Primaries so that one of the white males, most probably Edwards, will get the nomination. Then we are back in their comfort zone, all white males running and we know what that will bring; we have 300+ years of his story on that.
What are the women in this country thinking of?
Women are 51% of the population and constitute 56% to 63% of those who vote, consistently!
Women have been elected presidents or prime ministers all over the world, especially lately.
Not in your lifetime will you have another chance to elect one of your own, as credible and experienced as Hillary, to the top spot. 27 years of research on women candidates has shown me that women, of any party and persuasion, vote different from all men of any party and persuasion on a basket of critical issues: education, healthcare, elderly services, childcare and equal pay. If the power brokers strategy works, we won't give ourselves the opportunity to find out how a woman can govern here.
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Posted by: rhinojos on Dec 19, 2007 1:14 PM
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Posted by: peacelf on Dec 19, 2007 1:34 PM
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Oprah recently had Michael Moore on her program, agreed with Moore that we need a universal single payer system, yet she supports a candidate who is in the pockets of the health insurance industry.
Certainly she has a right to support whomever she wants, but, so far, all I can see is that she is backing Obama because he is black and from Chicago (and a Democrat?).
Many black intellectuals, Cornell West, Michael Eric Dyson, say they want to see a "brother" elected to president, but the issues are important, too. Oprah seems to be playing it safe.
Oprah is in tune with her white audience; that explains her broad appeal. However, she refuses to stand up on certain issues that could/would damage her relationship with that audience. As Chris Rock says, Oprah is rich, but she's not wealthy. Someone with more money pays her and that someone is white male owners of the television network. In other words, she imposes her own sanctions are what she talks about in order to contiunue getting paid.
Needless to say, she wants to help others, but her income is dependent on her silence on certain issues like racism and sexism. It's a shame that the black and female candidates for president have less to offer progressives than a little white guy from Cleveland, Dennis Kucinich.
It's a sign of the times, but Kucinich represents the future and Oprah represents, well, nothing that I can see.
peace
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Posted by: beetruetoyou on Dec 20, 2007 6:31 AM
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Posted by: hemnebob on Dec 20, 2007 7:54 AM
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Right now she is busier than I would wish on anyone and her energy and sincerity is genuine.
No special interests here except for the good of the American people. For all the skeptics out there who doubt her? They are skeptical about everything and I would ponder that they are probably having problems with someone of color to sit in the 'white'house anyways. Those types of Americans voted in the present pitiful president and his stinkin staff and look what they are doing to this great country now!
I want change from what it is to what it can be...
bush is going to leave our country in a recession and strangled from fixing it for a few years and we have all those morons for voting for him twice to blame for it...i blame bush too but those idiots made the same mistake twice...
no mistake here.
i wanted obama before she went to iowa.
the fact that she is making her preference public makes it all the more better!!
IMPEACH BUSHCHENEY...
OBAMA FOR US
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Dec 20, 2007 2:32 PM
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Posted by: outrider on Dec 20, 2007 2:34 PM
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Being a celeb is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to qualify as an expert in governmental affairs. It is like having enough money to buy power. Neither celebrityhood nor money can substitute for statemanship.
Oprah is not directly running for President but she might as well be. She is using her money and celebrityhood to promote and enhance her wealth and power to control significant others. She has no more kowledge of nor exerience in statesmanship than the medicine man she is promoting.
People who are screaming for change just for the sake of change are hell bent to substitute ineptness for corruption. As far as the People are concerned, one is as bad as the other.
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Posted by: Ames on Dec 20, 2007 3:41 PM
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Many celebrities and highly visible public figures have opinions on politics and speak about it, as is their prerogative as a citizen. So long as they are careful and measured in the way they go about it, I don't see what the problem is. It's a weapon both sides of politics have used for years - well liked public figures as visible and vocal supporters.
As a woman, and as a black woman, Oprah brings something to the table that hasn't been there before. Despite how I feel about much of what she does on the show (don't get me started on Dr Phil and 'The Secret') I think her coming out and voicing her opinions is a good thing. As such a public figure it's good to know where she stands.
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Posted by: SirGrifflet on Dec 20, 2007 5:04 PM
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Posted by: williameon on Dec 21, 2007 3:03 AM
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I like The Big O,
I think he would make a good vice president like Hillery would.
Let's see how they do in the back seat first!
As far as substance goes,
It's,
Dennis the Menace
or
Mr. Ed.
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Posted by: jcvelson on Dec 21, 2007 9:44 AM
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Posted by: Sunnydayz on Dec 21, 2007 10:56 PM
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My problem with her is that she is nothing more than a commercial. The car give-away is a prime example. Most people dont realize they are actually just watching a commerical.
I guess I just dont have much patience for those that sell themselves out to corporate corruption and willingly perform so much stealth marketing.
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Posted by: edpierce on Dec 22, 2007 12:17 PM
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In endorsing Obama, Oprah is forcing White Americans to confront the fact that she is a Black American, and that white racism continues to be the most serious problem facing the United States.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Dec 22, 2007 3:28 PM
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I think Obama is a snake oil salesman that is hiding behind several masks. I think that the simple act of not placing his hand over his heart while the national anthem is playing speaks volumes to the distain he feels for our country. I think his refusal to wear the flag pin that every other congressman and senator wear is shameful and disrespectful to the people he represents.
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Posted by: gillianr on Dec 24, 2007 4:10 PM
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LOLOL. We Americans do love to self deceive.
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Posted by: grangersmith on Dec 19, 2007 12:51 AM
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Dec 19, 2007 2:48 AM
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much ado about nothing.
perhaps it's really the wonderful facination from the remnants of those of us who have seen the 'whites only' water fountains removed to a billionairess who transcends the ugly past we, who can remember, the ascent of the negro, through to the colored, the black, the afro-american, the african-american, to full status as 'one of us' we claim as simply as an american. she represents, to some of us, our better selves, free of our own past and prejudices. she is oprah. she is what she aspires to. she is us, our better selves. and it makes us feel there is hope in america.
perhaps that is her point.
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Posted by: richieb on Dec 19, 2007 5:23 AM
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She is the one who promoted "Million Little Pieces" (or whatever that book was called) - the fake memoir. She is the one who promoted the book "Secret" - you that's the book that says if you want something, just imagine it and you'll get it (is this the advice she gives to Obama?).
In interest of full disclosure I should say that I don not watch her show at all, although my daugther makes me watch some clips here and there.
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Posted by: fearless flower on Dec 19, 2007 5:49 AM
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There goes one of the most comfy refuges for couch sitting America. No longer can we feel OK about being unconcerned with politics. With Oprah leading the charge, a lot of us are just going to have to get our behinds up off the couch and pay some serious attention to the race for the White House. Maybe even make sure we are registered to vote.
Good for you Oprah. I may not agree with your candidate, but I like your new direction.
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Posted by: nubbsgalore on Dec 19, 2007 5:51 AM
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and for a woman who talks so much about god and praying, she sure seems to be obsessed with consumerism. who needs five 30+ million dollar homes? anyone who watches her knows she out of touch with the common chicagoan and american.
ps anybody seen that scene in the "the beloved" where she takes that monster piss. that was one of the funniest things i have ever seen.
pss in her defense, i like dr oz, and the awareness of glbt issues and spousal abuse her show creates.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Dec 19, 2007 7:09 AM
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It's natural that celebs end up backing or scathing politicians. At least THEY have a voice we don't have.
GO OPRAH!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Dec 19, 2007 9:42 AM
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Many people react negatively to the expression of overarching ambition and unbounded ego; and, unfortunately, that's the way Oprah comes off too often: as the self-appointed, self-annointed Queen of Culture. Too often we have that queasy feeling that whatever she does, it is all about HER, not the recipients of her largesse.
Case in point: Her news conference concerning the molestation of girls by a teacher at her new school in Africa. To be fair, the school was a marvelous undertaking, and she could not have known beforehand that a teacher at the school would commit such a terrible act. But, in her news conference the vast majority of what I heard from her was about what Oprah was feeling, how Oprah was reacting, how upsetting the incident was for OPRAH – but, unless I zoned out, I recall hearing precious little being said by her about what the girls or their parents were going through.
I suspect that it is the impression of self-centeredness and self-promotion that puts people off Oprah, not her accomplishments – which should be acknowledged.
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Posted by: iamjmbb on Dec 19, 2007 9:44 AM
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Oprah & Obama: Corporate Marketing for a Corporate Campaign
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
SectionID=90&ItemID=14492
and/or this:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=14316
Establishment Politics in “Rebel’s Clothing:” Corporate Power, Populist Pandering, and the Ironies of Identity in the Democratic Presidential Race
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Posted by: xbj on Dec 19, 2007 10:30 AM
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Supporting a man that couldn't possibly be President in a still very racist America until at least 2016 (and after serving TWO terms as Veep at that) is the very LEAST of Oprah's problems. I've SEEN the age of the majority of voters in this country, and Obama doesn't have a chance in hell. Which is why there is so much big GOP money behind him. Even a great deal of black voters don't trust him because they seem him as a big fat unknown. Especially the older black voters.
No, it's Hillary the enemy is really petrified of. There's no offense or defense against the longest run of peacetime prosperity and economic expansion in American history. NONE.
And older voter's memories are not as short as the young and ignorant. Obama's positions are folly when it comes to the polls and winning elections. Truth be told, they're exactly the same as Hillary's. She just isn't saying it until she gets there, when she will not say, but DO.
And THAT wisdom comes from HARD experience.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Dec 19, 2007 10:44 AM
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If she decides to run, I may vote for her. What's our alternative? John McCain? Milt Romney? Joe Lieberman? Ugh.
Our country has always been about celebrities, first and foremost, and she's no exception. Other prominent people have stuck their noses (and wallets) into politics. How come you're not whining about the others now?
Relax, folks. She is NOT running, only endorsing a person whom she thinks can make this crummy country (and the world) a better place to live and offer hope for future generations.
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Posted by: Azraelsjudgement on Dec 19, 2007 10:54 AM
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Vote for the person who best represents you, your fellow citizens, and the constitution.
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Posted by: Sociallibertarian on Dec 19, 2007 10:55 AM
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Goodbye to All That
He explained to me the strange polarisation of US politics that I have not understood. In fact as he points out there is no polarisation among ordinary Americans, they are in agreement.
Andrew Sullivan:
“On domestic policy, the primary issue is health care. Again, the ferocious rhetoric belies the mundane reality”
“A large consensus in America favors legal abortions during the first trimester and varying restrictions thereafter. …..If Roe were to fall, the primary impact would be the end of a system more liberal than any in Europe in favor of one more in sync with the varied views that exist across this country.”
“On marriage, the battles in the states are subsiding, as a bevy of blue states adopt either civil marriage or civil unions for gay couples, and the rest stand pat.”
“Given this quiet, evolving consensus on policy, how do we account for the bitter, brutal tone of American politics? The answer lies mainly with the biggest and most influential generation in America: the Baby Boomers. The divide is still—amazingly—between those who fought in Vietnam and those who didn’t, and between those who fought and dissented and those who fought but never dissented at all. By defining the contours of the Boomer generation, it lasted decades. And with time came a strange intensity. ”
“The traces of our long journey to this juncture can be found all around us. Its most obvious manifestation is political rhetoric. The high temperature—Bill O’Reilly’s nightly screeds against anti-Americans on one channel, Keith Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” on the other; MoveOn.org’s “General Betray Us” on the one side, Ann Coulter’s Treason on the other; Michael Moore’s accusation of treason at the core of the Iraq War, Sean Hannity’s assertion of treason in the opposition to it—is particularly striking when you examine the generally minor policy choices on the table. Something deeper and more powerful than the actual decisions we face is driving the tone of the debate”
Giuliani, Edwards and Clinton will only perpetuate the battle in eternity. It is time to throw out the Ann Coulters and Michael Moores.
To stop this culture war we need Barack Obama as presidential candidate for the Democrats and John McCain for the Republicans.
Kick the Baby Boomers out the door, lock it and do not let them in again.
I am sick and tired of the 1968 generation, its racial war, its Cultural War, its unsound economic ideas. Its polarization of none issues. I am neither Blue nor Red, I am purple as most people are.
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Dec 19, 2007 11:30 AM
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I am waiting for your TROLLING for Clinton.
Are you that guy that "resigned" after slamming Obama all weekend?
Oh, WAIT! When you are needed in N.H. (or where ever it is that your wife is Governor) we will see you on the Clinton "advisor" board again, slamming Obama from the "front lines."
Until then? We will suffer with your trolling here.
*Gaff*
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Posted by: dockboy on Dec 19, 2007 11:33 AM
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Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Dec 19, 2007 11:43 AM
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That said, I certainly know who Oprah is. I'm not at all upset that she's gotten involved in politics or made an endorsement, but I AM upset that she endorsed a right wing candidate like Obama. I loathe identity politics, because it has caused a move to the right and has done significant harm to progressive politics. Additionally, not only is endorsing someone because he or she is of the same race, ethnicity, or gender self-serving, it's also self-defeating.
As president, a candidate like Dennis Kucinich or, to a lesser extent, John Edwards, would do far more for the majority of black people in the U.S., than Barak Obama would. Supporting Obama because he's black makes as much sense as supporting Uncle Clarence Thomas for the same reason. More importantly, Obama would continue harmful policies such as keeping troops and bases in Iraq and increasing military spending. Even from the narrow perspective of just wanting to help blacks, these are bad policies, because that money should be used for anti-poverty programs, like good education, provision of well-paying jobs to underprivileged people, and medical care.
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Posted by: odcherenow on Dec 19, 2007 11:58 AM
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The "deciders" in the D Party took Obama from obscurity and gave him the national visibility of Keynote Speaker @ last convention. Before that few had heard of him.
The goal is to have Obama draw votes away from Hillary in the Primaries so that one of the white males, most probably Edwards, will get the nomination. Then we are back in their comfort zone, all white males running and we know what that will bring; we have 300+ years of his story on that.
What are the women in this country thinking of?
Women are 51% of the population and constitute 56% to 63% of those who vote, consistently!
Women have been elected presidents or prime ministers all over the world, especially lately.
Not in your lifetime will you have another chance to elect one of your own, as credible and experienced as Hillary, to the top spot. 27 years of research on women candidates has shown me that women, of any party and persuasion, vote different from all men of any party and persuasion on a basket of critical issues: education, healthcare, elderly services, childcare and equal pay. If the power brokers strategy works, we won't give ourselves the opportunity to find out how a woman can govern here.
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Posted by: rhinojos on Dec 19, 2007 1:14 PM
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Posted by: peacelf on Dec 19, 2007 1:34 PM
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Oprah recently had Michael Moore on her program, agreed with Moore that we need a universal single payer system, yet she supports a candidate who is in the pockets of the health insurance industry.
Certainly she has a right to support whomever she wants, but, so far, all I can see is that she is backing Obama because he is black and from Chicago (and a Democrat?).
Many black intellectuals, Cornell West, Michael Eric Dyson, say they want to see a "brother" elected to president, but the issues are important, too. Oprah seems to be playing it safe.
Oprah is in tune with her white audience; that explains her broad appeal. However, she refuses to stand up on certain issues that could/would damage her relationship with that audience. As Chris Rock says, Oprah is rich, but she's not wealthy. Someone with more money pays her and that someone is white male owners of the television network. In other words, she imposes her own sanctions are what she talks about in order to contiunue getting paid.
Needless to say, she wants to help others, but her income is dependent on her silence on certain issues like racism and sexism. It's a shame that the black and female candidates for president have less to offer progressives than a little white guy from Cleveland, Dennis Kucinich.
It's a sign of the times, but Kucinich represents the future and Oprah represents, well, nothing that I can see.
peace
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Posted by: beetruetoyou on Dec 20, 2007 6:31 AM
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Posted by: hemnebob on Dec 20, 2007 7:54 AM
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Right now she is busier than I would wish on anyone and her energy and sincerity is genuine.
No special interests here except for the good of the American people. For all the skeptics out there who doubt her? They are skeptical about everything and I would ponder that they are probably having problems with someone of color to sit in the 'white'house anyways. Those types of Americans voted in the present pitiful president and his stinkin staff and look what they are doing to this great country now!
I want change from what it is to what it can be...
bush is going to leave our country in a recession and strangled from fixing it for a few years and we have all those morons for voting for him twice to blame for it...i blame bush too but those idiots made the same mistake twice...
no mistake here.
i wanted obama before she went to iowa.
the fact that she is making her preference public makes it all the more better!!
IMPEACH BUSHCHENEY...
OBAMA FOR US
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Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Dec 20, 2007 2:32 PM
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Posted by: outrider on Dec 20, 2007 2:34 PM
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Being a celeb is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to qualify as an expert in governmental affairs. It is like having enough money to buy power. Neither celebrityhood nor money can substitute for statemanship.
Oprah is not directly running for President but she might as well be. She is using her money and celebrityhood to promote and enhance her wealth and power to control significant others. She has no more kowledge of nor exerience in statesmanship than the medicine man she is promoting.
People who are screaming for change just for the sake of change are hell bent to substitute ineptness for corruption. As far as the People are concerned, one is as bad as the other.
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Posted by: Ames on Dec 20, 2007 3:41 PM
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Many celebrities and highly visible public figures have opinions on politics and speak about it, as is their prerogative as a citizen. So long as they are careful and measured in the way they go about it, I don't see what the problem is. It's a weapon both sides of politics have used for years - well liked public figures as visible and vocal supporters.
As a woman, and as a black woman, Oprah brings something to the table that hasn't been there before. Despite how I feel about much of what she does on the show (don't get me started on Dr Phil and 'The Secret') I think her coming out and voicing her opinions is a good thing. As such a public figure it's good to know where she stands.
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Posted by: SirGrifflet on Dec 20, 2007 5:04 PM
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Posted by: williameon on Dec 21, 2007 3:03 AM
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I like The Big O,
I think he would make a good vice president like Hillery would.
Let's see how they do in the back seat first!
As far as substance goes,
It's,
Dennis the Menace
or
Mr. Ed.
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Posted by: jcvelson on Dec 21, 2007 9:44 AM
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Posted by: Sunnydayz on Dec 21, 2007 10:56 PM
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My problem with her is that she is nothing more than a commercial. The car give-away is a prime example. Most people dont realize they are actually just watching a commerical.
I guess I just dont have much patience for those that sell themselves out to corporate corruption and willingly perform so much stealth marketing.
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Posted by: edpierce on Dec 22, 2007 12:17 PM
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In endorsing Obama, Oprah is forcing White Americans to confront the fact that she is a Black American, and that white racism continues to be the most serious problem facing the United States.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Dec 22, 2007 3:28 PM
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I think Obama is a snake oil salesman that is hiding behind several masks. I think that the simple act of not placing his hand over his heart while the national anthem is playing speaks volumes to the distain he feels for our country. I think his refusal to wear the flag pin that every other congressman and senator wear is shameful and disrespectful to the people he represents.
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Posted by: gillianr on Dec 24, 2007 4:10 PM
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LOLOL. We Americans do love to self deceive.
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