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So You Think You Can Raise a Brand-Free Kid?
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Okay, so that's an exaggeration. But the three-year-old son of Angela Verbrugge still remembers his one and only meal under the golden arches. Which has Verbrugge worried.
And Kyla Epstein swears if her young son Max ever wants to eat there, he'll be doing it on his own dime.
These parents aren't raging against the health detriments of fast food. Instead, they are making a conscious effort to limit the amount of branding and advertising their kids are exposed to in all aspects of their lives; what they eat, wear, watch and play with.
It's not easy. Brands are everywhere -- literally.
Disney 24/7
Genevieve McMahon says she experienced an "eye-opening" moment the first time she bought disposable diapers for her newborn daughter Imogen, who was then too small for the cloth variety her parents preferred.
"We were unpacking them to put them in her drawer and realized there were Walt Disney Winnie the Pooh characters all over them," she says.
"It was at that point when we were like, oh wow ... it's everywhere. I mean, she's not even conscious and yet here they are advertising. I'm staring at it everyday. And eventually...she's going to recognize them."
Exactly. In her book Buy Buy Baby: How Consumer Culture Manipulates Parents and Harms Young Minds, Susan Gregory Thomas explores the widespread and controversial phenomenon of using spokes-characters in advertising to young children.
She describes one study in which toddlers are shown a made-up commercial with a mouse character. The researcher's hypothesis? If the mouse was seen eating a certain kind of cracker, when given a choice later, the child would choose those same crackers.
The study didn't support that hypothesis, but what it did demonstrate is the amazing capacity of young children for character recognition. What surprised the researchers is that many children were able to recognize the mouse later, even if they didn't appear to be paying much attention to the TV screen.
Plethora of Dora
"The chief piece of learning that very young children mastered from watching characters on television was the ability to recognize them," Gregory Thomas writes.
Epstein, for one, is clearly frustrated with this kind of character prevalence. She remembers trying to find a Spanish-language picture book for Max, 11 months.
"Everything was Dora!" she exclaims, referring to the popular Dora the Explorer animated kid's show about a 7-year-old latina girl and her friends.
"I don't want all his books to all be TV characters."
Licensed characters are huge moneymakers for companies. In 2005, Winnie the Pooh earned Disney $6.2 billion in retail sales, according to Gregory Thomas, second only to the mouse.
Verbrugge believes all of this merchandising is the real problem, not necessarily the characters themselves.
"They're trying to sell kids other products, from clothing to bedding...there always needs to be something else that they're striving to buy," she says.
"It scares me when I see advertisements that showcase all these different products that show the child being engaged with a toy," she says.
"They're saying all the right things in the voiceover about baby learning and interactivity...yet you just want to take that baby and turn him around to face the mom and have her play a simple game of patty-cake."
Parents as sitting ducks
All the parents interviewed said they feel targeted by advertisers, and indeed, the desire to make one's child happy is a powerful marketing tool.
Verbrugge, who used to work as a consultant on projects related to children's online activities, says she attended many marketing conferences as part of her job.
"It taught me how sophisticated marketers are in reaching people, and more and more how integrated marketing is in everything we see and do," she says.
"I think we're seen as consumers...how much wallet share do kids have, and how much can they influence our spending."
Yet the push to buy doesn't jive with the values these parents want to instill in their own kids -- values like critical thinking, individuality and sustainable living.
Finding the balance between what their kids want, what they need and what's available is difficult, say these parents. And they are the first to admit they are by no means perfect.
Off the wagon
"The only thing we can really do is in our home environments, in the environments we choose for our children," says Verbrugge. She and her husband request that friends and family buying for their three children steer clear of plastic. But when Verbrugge's father insisted on a plastic wagon for his grandkids, she figured the item wasn't worth a fight.
Epstein and McMahon both say they make these requests as well -- and they are usually heeded.
"For his first birthday, we said gifts are not necessary, no plastic and preferably previously-owned and wearable or readable," says Epstein.
At the same time, she says Max has toys she and husband Melvin would never buy, "but he loves them and a friend passed them on."
"It's not that I want to hide him in a bubble, away from all things Disney...it's just that I want to be there to have a dialogue with him, like my parents did," Epstein says.
Gabe Epstein, Kyla's father, says he and her mother "didn't buy brand-name stuff in those days."
The retired Grade 1 teacher says he regularly saw different trends and fads sweep through the school, but in his own class and home he tried to encourage individuality.
"While it lines the pockets of large corporations, branding undermines creativity and choices, in a sense," he says.
"[Diversity] encourages the capacity to create something different."
Hemp clothes, natural blocks?
This kind of dialogue is critically important for children, says Michelle Stack, an assistant professor in educational studies at UBC.
"I'm really concerned about the fact that rarely can children engage in play or interaction that don't involve commercial or don't involve getting their parents to buy something," she says.
"It's impossible for a kid not to be exposed to massive amounts of advertising even if the TV's off all the time -- it still requires a conversation."
Stack says children need help understanding that, although they may find pleasure in TV and other media, they are designed with a purpose and often that purpose is to sell products or ideas.
Resisting the urge to spend for the sake of convenience or pleasure is difficult for parents as well (especially when toting around a baby or toddler). And, as all the parents pointed out, often the "best" choices -- natural wooden blocks or organic hemp clothing -- are also the most expensive.
"The most challenging thing about making an effort to not brand your child in what they wear, or play with...is the fact that sometimes there aren't choices and sometimes the choices are economically out of reach," says Epstein.
'Not easy'
But, as McMahon says, the best parents can hope to do is try and live the values they want their children to learn -- for their sake and for the sake of the environment.
"I think it's really important to show the down side to it too ... in the sense that it's not always easy," she says.
"It's not always easy to be a one-car family, it's not easy to limit processed foods, to try to buy locally. But I think at the end of the day, you have to live the values that you want, that ultimately you want your children to have."
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 5, 2007 4:00 AM
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That corporate-industrial-plastic Winnie the Pooh Happy Meal is not what's going to ruin them. It's mom and dad following them around all day trying to make them happy, be their best buddy, protect them from everything, overeducate them, live vicariously through them, and turn them into little versions of themselves.
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Posted by: hagwind on Nov 5, 2007 4:51 AM
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I lost touch and have no idea how this kid turned out, but I've seen similar scenarios play out over the years. Parents (often mothers) make a huge deal about not letting their kids have Barbies or toy guns or candy (etc.) and as soon as the kid is old enough to slip the leash for a few hours a day s/he's indulging to the max. This is not new -- when I was in elementary school, most kids whose moms packed an apple or an orange into their lunchboxes would be trading it for Hostess Snowballs as soon as they got to school.
I'm glad the author (and the commenters above) emphasized conversation and context, but that part doesn't get through to a lot of parents, even the ones who should know better: most of them went through a stage in which they spat out or barfed up everything their parents tried to stuff down their throats, and in some cases the "stage" turned out to be lifelong. "Obey" and "Disobey" are flip sides of the same coin. What we're real short of in this country is people who can evaluate information, figure out what they want and need, and think for themselves -- even when the thoughts contradict what their parents and neighbors and co-workers assume to be true.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Nov 5, 2007 4:58 AM
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Unfortunately, the heirs to Milne's estate made the decision to sell out to Disney, a company driven solely by filthy lucre. Of course Disney will exploit children, and anyone else - it is their sworn duty to their stockholders to make as much money as possible. I wonder how Milne himself would regard Disney's use of his characters? I don't seem to remember any of the characters in Milne's books being rewarded for greed.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 5, 2007 6:57 AM
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Plush toys have been around since the teddy bear was invented a century ago, and none of us oldsters got turned on by them, so Dan guessed that their sheer ubiquity and commercialism during the last two decades is to blame. We're raising a generation of plush toy pervs!
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It's hard to know. My neice now loooves Bratz and has one of those Bratz leap-pad books. It's mainly clothes and fashion, just as superficial as you can imagine it being, with just enough "educational" features to count. One was a match game between great and famous women (Sojourner Truth, Marie Curie, Indira Gandhi, etc.) and what they'd accomplished. The information was entirely without context and probably accomplished very little, but I looked over one day and she was playing it. I told her "you know, if those women thought about nothing but clothes and boys, they'd never have been able to do the important things that they did." I hope I wasn't too snarky with her. I want to point out the other side of the story, not slam her for what her interests are.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 5, 2007 9:45 AM
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That was it.
Fifty years later-I still don't eat meat. Did not need a whole lot of intellectual college age soul searching and research---I had seen BAMBI after all.
I grew up on the dreams of Disney-PETER PAN-fly way from your parents and have fun and adventure--SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON-build your own alternative housing and life--close to nature-(and they were draft-dodgers-too -by the way)
When my kids were growing up there was POCAHANTAS-complete with an old AIM member Indian-and the beautiful- beautiful POLITICAL music. As well as the feminist message. (and a handsome sturdy husband who builds handsome sturdy walls...)
And BEAUTY AND THE BEST-making fun of traditional male dominant values..."you are a pretty girl -throw that book in the mud-and desire Me-I am a MAN-everywhere I have lots and lots of HAIR!
I could go on forever. What today's American familys need are MORE trips to Disneyland-not less. (I know they can't afford it-that is the point)
Much as Corporations are the main problem with the world today-I would say Disney is one of the exceptions.
Parents could do a lot worse than raising their kids on the values of Disney.
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Posted by: l_m_n on Nov 5, 2007 9:59 AM
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I'm almost 20. I was one of those kids who was marketed to relentlessly. My parents had to make a conscious effort to keep me out of the clutches of Disney. There was one simple rule: no wearing of any branded merchandise. No Little Mermaid underwear, no Aladdin light-up shoes, no Winnie the Pooh backpacks.. etc. My friends all had them, and while I remember feeling jealous, I didn't really get what all the fuss was about.
And it worked. I have 0 loyalty to Disney and a lot of disgust for their ability to destroy the imagination of children.
As a side-note, they didn't buy me Barbies, either, although they let me keep the ones I got as gifts. Even at the time (8, 9 years old) I was just irritated by those friends' parents who picked out such things. It was a cop-out. It meant you didn't have to know the kid, or even care about the kid. And it screams of laziness.
I think that's why Disney marketing works so well. From my experience the average parent is not interested in spending the time and effort it takes to really open a kid's brain, and is more interested in the instant gratification of succumbing to the child's wishes and seeing that smile upon their face.
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Posted by: in Upstate NY on Nov 5, 2007 11:18 AM
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I am the child of immigrants and know the hardship of being brought up outside the mainstream. I also know the hardship of being taught to be suspicious of the entire culture around me.
On the other hand, the corporate adverising, although wrapped up in snuggly spokes-characters, is hardly innocuous.
Rather than being suspicious of all the branded characters around us, my husband and I thought that the pervasiveness of electronic media is actually the problem on two levels. One is definitely the adverstising. I can still sing jingles from 40 years ago. The other problem with pervasive media is that it can interfere with actual living, and it also promotes a false sense of direct knowledge of the world. (I don't know how many times I have thought, "They didn't do that in the '50's," to be brought up short with the idea that my only "direct" access to the '50's is through "Leave It to Beaver.")
For children especially, electronic media impinges on their creativity, and drains the real world of its vibrancy. TV and electronic games are overstimulating, making the real world seem but a pale imitation.
So we opted for a compromise and unplugged from cable TV; the availability of electronic media was relegated to Prime Time: after 6 p.m. This would force our child to engage with others, the physical world and books. On the other hand, he would still be aware of what was engaging other children he met.
And finally, we engage him and pay attention to how he sees things as well. Although we did refuse to buy him gameboys, etc., I did not stop him either when he saved up or earned his own money to shell out for those (wasted) products. It took some ingenuity and patience on his part to come up with $150.
He is almost 12 now, and at some point in time soon he will be an adult and have to live by his own values. With any luck, he will not reject everything we taught him.
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Posted by: arborman on Nov 5, 2007 2:01 PM
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Cooking with Pooh. Seriously.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 6, 2007 4:28 AM
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They'll grow up, sippin' on a Pepsi product at different times, and enter the work-force and interview and hire each other based on subtle recognitions, much like the "Harvard or the Princeton, or the Yale Ties".
It's been going on a while, at least since the late '70's. Today, the Commodity Parents (and even Grandparents occasionally!) are raising Commodity Kids, equipped with brands like "Life-style" and "Image" inside the vast, dizzying, swirl of another brand called "Choices". We buy and sell in the vast "Market" both brands and Brands, exchanging, distributing, producing and consuming ourselves and our things, moment by moment, day by day, year by year. We are IMMERSED in Utopia, and there's nothing outside it.
Then again, maybe no-body will Buy this. Oh, well. I AM just one brand, there's a world out there of others.
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Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 12:27 PM
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For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:
1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354
Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.
I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called my representative (Rodney Frelinghuysen in NJ). It was easy and I felt better after doing it.
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from "MakeBelieve Media":
Corporations in the Classroom is a one-hour documentary film investigating the upside and the downside of increasing corporate influence on public education in North America. When public education funding was slashed in the 1980s, America opened its doors to corporations’ deep pockets. As Canadian schools faced budget shortfalls a decade later, most of the country followed suit.
With virtually no regulation in place the line between corporate social responsibility and back door marketing opportunities is blurring. As these grassroots philosophical battles erupt on our nightly newscasts, this timely film asks the question: should our schools be a sacred place where we educate our future citizens free of commercial messages?
Or should it be a microcosm of the outside world where access is sold to the highest bidder? Corporations in the Classroom, directed by Jill Sharpe (Girls Don’t Fight, Culture Jam) & produced by Lynn Booth (Paris Stories, Secrets) aired on Global Currents with Kevin Newman on April 7, 2007 at 7pm.
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We have taken our eyes of the powerful corporate backed government for too long.
Politicians have allowed a federal free zone for corporations to use the education landscape as a new wild west where lawlessness is viewed as enterprise and crossing the line is viewed as courageous entrepreneurialism.
So now corporations have anesthetized our senses to allow mind control and guerrilla consumerism to infect the virgin minds of our children. Schools are being turned into thought factories and assembly lines are the format for ideas
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Posted by: John Sawyer on Nov 9, 2007 12:40 PM
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Companies try to make us think that everything they have to sell, is of some value. While most people aren't taken in by the nonsensical part of their output, many people are; at the very least, it makes for a somewhat unpleasant source of background noise we have to filter out. That's our concern, and it's not theirs--they don't care since those are their chosen tools. Walt Disney had some decent goals, and implemented many of them (and had a few less-than-decent aspects as well, some of which may have influenced his company's output), but he knew the value of pure commercialism as well, and it's our job not to welcome that aspect into our lives along with the better stuff they produce.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 5, 2007 4:00 AM
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That corporate-industrial-plastic Winnie the Pooh Happy Meal is not what's going to ruin them. It's mom and dad following them around all day trying to make them happy, be their best buddy, protect them from everything, overeducate them, live vicariously through them, and turn them into little versions of themselves.
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Posted by: hagwind on Nov 5, 2007 4:51 AM
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I lost touch and have no idea how this kid turned out, but I've seen similar scenarios play out over the years. Parents (often mothers) make a huge deal about not letting their kids have Barbies or toy guns or candy (etc.) and as soon as the kid is old enough to slip the leash for a few hours a day s/he's indulging to the max. This is not new -- when I was in elementary school, most kids whose moms packed an apple or an orange into their lunchboxes would be trading it for Hostess Snowballs as soon as they got to school.
I'm glad the author (and the commenters above) emphasized conversation and context, but that part doesn't get through to a lot of parents, even the ones who should know better: most of them went through a stage in which they spat out or barfed up everything their parents tried to stuff down their throats, and in some cases the "stage" turned out to be lifelong. "Obey" and "Disobey" are flip sides of the same coin. What we're real short of in this country is people who can evaluate information, figure out what they want and need, and think for themselves -- even when the thoughts contradict what their parents and neighbors and co-workers assume to be true.
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Posted by: colinmeister on Nov 5, 2007 4:58 AM
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Unfortunately, the heirs to Milne's estate made the decision to sell out to Disney, a company driven solely by filthy lucre. Of course Disney will exploit children, and anyone else - it is their sworn duty to their stockholders to make as much money as possible. I wonder how Milne himself would regard Disney's use of his characters? I don't seem to remember any of the characters in Milne's books being rewarded for greed.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 5, 2007 6:57 AM
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Plush toys have been around since the teddy bear was invented a century ago, and none of us oldsters got turned on by them, so Dan guessed that their sheer ubiquity and commercialism during the last two decades is to blame. We're raising a generation of plush toy pervs!
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Posted by: goeswithness on Nov 5, 2007 8:45 AM
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It's hard to know. My neice now loooves Bratz and has one of those Bratz leap-pad books. It's mainly clothes and fashion, just as superficial as you can imagine it being, with just enough "educational" features to count. One was a match game between great and famous women (Sojourner Truth, Marie Curie, Indira Gandhi, etc.) and what they'd accomplished. The information was entirely without context and probably accomplished very little, but I looked over one day and she was playing it. I told her "you know, if those women thought about nothing but clothes and boys, they'd never have been able to do the important things that they did." I hope I wasn't too snarky with her. I want to point out the other side of the story, not slam her for what her interests are.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 5, 2007 9:45 AM
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That was it.
Fifty years later-I still don't eat meat. Did not need a whole lot of intellectual college age soul searching and research---I had seen BAMBI after all.
I grew up on the dreams of Disney-PETER PAN-fly way from your parents and have fun and adventure--SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON-build your own alternative housing and life--close to nature-(and they were draft-dodgers-too -by the way)
When my kids were growing up there was POCAHANTAS-complete with an old AIM member Indian-and the beautiful- beautiful POLITICAL music. As well as the feminist message. (and a handsome sturdy husband who builds handsome sturdy walls...)
And BEAUTY AND THE BEST-making fun of traditional male dominant values..."you are a pretty girl -throw that book in the mud-and desire Me-I am a MAN-everywhere I have lots and lots of HAIR!
I could go on forever. What today's American familys need are MORE trips to Disneyland-not less. (I know they can't afford it-that is the point)
Much as Corporations are the main problem with the world today-I would say Disney is one of the exceptions.
Parents could do a lot worse than raising their kids on the values of Disney.
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Posted by: l_m_n on Nov 5, 2007 9:59 AM
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I'm almost 20. I was one of those kids who was marketed to relentlessly. My parents had to make a conscious effort to keep me out of the clutches of Disney. There was one simple rule: no wearing of any branded merchandise. No Little Mermaid underwear, no Aladdin light-up shoes, no Winnie the Pooh backpacks.. etc. My friends all had them, and while I remember feeling jealous, I didn't really get what all the fuss was about.
And it worked. I have 0 loyalty to Disney and a lot of disgust for their ability to destroy the imagination of children.
As a side-note, they didn't buy me Barbies, either, although they let me keep the ones I got as gifts. Even at the time (8, 9 years old) I was just irritated by those friends' parents who picked out such things. It was a cop-out. It meant you didn't have to know the kid, or even care about the kid. And it screams of laziness.
I think that's why Disney marketing works so well. From my experience the average parent is not interested in spending the time and effort it takes to really open a kid's brain, and is more interested in the instant gratification of succumbing to the child's wishes and seeing that smile upon their face.
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Posted by: in Upstate NY on Nov 5, 2007 11:18 AM
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I am the child of immigrants and know the hardship of being brought up outside the mainstream. I also know the hardship of being taught to be suspicious of the entire culture around me.
On the other hand, the corporate adverising, although wrapped up in snuggly spokes-characters, is hardly innocuous.
Rather than being suspicious of all the branded characters around us, my husband and I thought that the pervasiveness of electronic media is actually the problem on two levels. One is definitely the adverstising. I can still sing jingles from 40 years ago. The other problem with pervasive media is that it can interfere with actual living, and it also promotes a false sense of direct knowledge of the world. (I don't know how many times I have thought, "They didn't do that in the '50's," to be brought up short with the idea that my only "direct" access to the '50's is through "Leave It to Beaver.")
For children especially, electronic media impinges on their creativity, and drains the real world of its vibrancy. TV and electronic games are overstimulating, making the real world seem but a pale imitation.
So we opted for a compromise and unplugged from cable TV; the availability of electronic media was relegated to Prime Time: after 6 p.m. This would force our child to engage with others, the physical world and books. On the other hand, he would still be aware of what was engaging other children he met.
And finally, we engage him and pay attention to how he sees things as well. Although we did refuse to buy him gameboys, etc., I did not stop him either when he saved up or earned his own money to shell out for those (wasted) products. It took some ingenuity and patience on his part to come up with $150.
He is almost 12 now, and at some point in time soon he will be an adult and have to live by his own values. With any luck, he will not reject everything we taught him.
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Posted by: arborman on Nov 5, 2007 2:01 PM
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Cooking with Pooh. Seriously.
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Posted by: bluebirdella on Nov 5, 2007 6:21 PM
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 6, 2007 4:28 AM
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They'll grow up, sippin' on a Pepsi product at different times, and enter the work-force and interview and hire each other based on subtle recognitions, much like the "Harvard or the Princeton, or the Yale Ties".
It's been going on a while, at least since the late '70's. Today, the Commodity Parents (and even Grandparents occasionally!) are raising Commodity Kids, equipped with brands like "Life-style" and "Image" inside the vast, dizzying, swirl of another brand called "Choices". We buy and sell in the vast "Market" both brands and Brands, exchanging, distributing, producing and consuming ourselves and our things, moment by moment, day by day, year by year. We are IMMERSED in Utopia, and there's nothing outside it.
Then again, maybe no-body will Buy this. Oh, well. I AM just one brand, there's a world out there of others.
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Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 12:27 PM
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For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:
1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354
Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.
I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called my representative (Rodney Frelinghuysen in NJ). It was easy and I felt better after doing it.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 7, 2007 10:57 AM
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from "MakeBelieve Media":
Corporations in the Classroom is a one-hour documentary film investigating the upside and the downside of increasing corporate influence on public education in North America. When public education funding was slashed in the 1980s, America opened its doors to corporations’ deep pockets. As Canadian schools faced budget shortfalls a decade later, most of the country followed suit.
With virtually no regulation in place the line between corporate social responsibility and back door marketing opportunities is blurring. As these grassroots philosophical battles erupt on our nightly newscasts, this timely film asks the question: should our schools be a sacred place where we educate our future citizens free of commercial messages?
Or should it be a microcosm of the outside world where access is sold to the highest bidder? Corporations in the Classroom, directed by Jill Sharpe (Girls Don’t Fight, Culture Jam) & produced by Lynn Booth (Paris Stories, Secrets) aired on Global Currents with Kevin Newman on April 7, 2007 at 7pm.
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We have taken our eyes of the powerful corporate backed government for too long.
Politicians have allowed a federal free zone for corporations to use the education landscape as a new wild west where lawlessness is viewed as enterprise and crossing the line is viewed as courageous entrepreneurialism.
So now corporations have anesthetized our senses to allow mind control and guerrilla consumerism to infect the virgin minds of our children. Schools are being turned into thought factories and assembly lines are the format for ideas
DOCUMENTARY VIDEO
BlueBerry Pick'n
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Posted by: John Sawyer on Nov 9, 2007 12:15 PM
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Posted by: John Sawyer on Nov 9, 2007 12:40 PM
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Companies try to make us think that everything they have to sell, is of some value. While most people aren't taken in by the nonsensical part of their output, many people are; at the very least, it makes for a somewhat unpleasant source of background noise we have to filter out. That's our concern, and it's not theirs--they don't care since those are their chosen tools. Walt Disney had some decent goals, and implemented many of them (and had a few less-than-decent aspects as well, some of which may have influenced his company's output), but he knew the value of pure commercialism as well, and it's our job not to welcome that aspect into our lives along with the better stuff they produce.
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