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Progressive NYT Columnist Bob Herbert Is Doing God's Work ...

By T. A. Frank, Washington Monthly. Posted October 30, 2007.


... Too bad some people don't think it's exciting enough.
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The first thing you need to know about New York Times columnist Bob Herbert is that he's always right. No, not in the way a drunk in a bar is always right -- Herbert's genuinely right, or at least close enough that it'd be petty to look for exceptions. When the majority loses its bearings, Herbert sticks with the sane minority.

In the late 1990s, when the rest of us were being entertained by news of Clintonian indiscretions, Herbert had his eye elsewhere: "A level of terror unimaginable to most Americans has been the rule in most of Afghanistan since the Taliban took power a few years ago."

After the election of 2000, when pundits were asserting that Bush would have to govern from the center, Herbert was warning that Bush was "the incredible shrinking front man of the G.O.P." and that the heart of the party could be found in "Tom DeLay and his crowd."

In 2002 and 2003, Herbert bitterly opposed the invasion of Iraq, warning that "entrenched economic and social problems are likely to undermine even basic stability for years to come." During Iraq's 2005 elections -- a short-lived triumph that led Herbert's colleagues to pronounce themselves "unreservedly happy about the outcome" (Thomas Friedman) or to suggest that Iraqis had acquired the "habits of self-regulating liberty, compromise, tolerance and power-sharing" (David Brooks) -- Herbert was hardly euphoric. "What we saw yesterday was an uncommonly brave electorate," he noted, but also "a recipe for more war."

All well and good, but -- you protest -- the man is basically just a predictable liberal softie. Well, if that's the case, then tell me if you expected that Bob Herbert would be an interventionist hawk on Somalia in 1993, Haiti in 1994, and Afghanistan in 2001. Or that he'd say this shortly after the execution in California of Stanley "Tookie" Williams, cofounder of the Crips, in 2005: "I noticed that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Snoop Dogg and other 'leaders' and celebrities turned out in South Central Los Angeles on Tuesday for the funeral ... [That] tells you much of what you need to know about the current state of black leadership in the U.S."

And then there's Bob Herbert's main focus. He reports on the disadvantaged and disenfranchised of America, about whom he will tell you things you didn't expect. I doubt you knew that "nearly half of full-time private sector workers in the U.S. get no paid sick days. None." And have you ever been at a dinner where the tab came to more than $125 a person? According to Herbert, high school kids in Brooklyn can't believe this happens. "How much can you eat?" asked one. I know I experienced a salutary wince when I read that.

So let's recap: Bob Herbert is a sensible person who usually assesses things more accurately than his colleagues, regularly hits the streets to report on the world outside, shines a light on people and issues that deserve far more attention than they usually get, and tells you things you really ought to know but don't. But here's the catch: you don't read Bob Herbert. Or, if you say you do, I don't believe you.

The numbers are on my side. Take a look in LexisNexis and see how often various New York Times columnists have been mentioned (not syndicated) in other papers this year. Thomas Friedman gets more than 3,000 mentions, and David Brooks gets 2,650. Maureen Dowd gets 1,615; Paul Krugman, 1,179; Nicholas Kristof, 805. Bob Herbert gets 533. Web sites that shape national news coverage rarely link to him. ABC's The Note, one of the most insidery of Washington publications, has in the past few years referred to Paul Krugman 146 times, David Brooks 129 times, and Maureen Dowd 84 times. Bob Herbert? Twice.

Even liberal blogs that bemoan how liberals get outgunned by the right seldom discuss Herbert. Search the archives of Atrios and you'll find eighty-seven references to Friedman but only fifteen to Herbert. On Talking Points Memo, a search for Dowd calls up twenty mentions. Brooks and Krugman each draw nineteen; Kristof, thirteen; and Friedman, eleven. Herbert gets three.

More telling for me is what I pick up from peers. I've spoken to a couple dozen journalists of the center-left variety, and most, after insisting on being off the record or unnamed, confess to reading Bob Herbert rarely, if ever. "I've literally never heard someone say, 'Hey, did you read Bob Herbert today?' Never in my entire life," said one reporter for a Washington political magazine. Said another: "I haven't read him in years." The New Republic may have captured it in a recent headline for a hit piece on John Tierney: "How could a New York Times columnist be more boring than Bob Herbert?"

This bothers me. Bob Herbert is the only national columnist at a major newspaper who consistently writes about the issues in our country that matter most yet seem to be covered least. Arthur Miller, one of Herbert's favorite authors, once said that "Americans in general live on the edge of a cliff; they're waiting for the other shoe to drop." Many opinion leaders don't get this; Herbert does. In a sea of plugged-in, powerful pundits, Herbert is the lone unplugged spokesman for America's little guy. He's the delegate of the deprived. I could not admire his efforts more.

But, honestly, I don't read him either. I'll devour a Maureen Dowd column in which David Geffen trash-talks the Clintons. But I'll skip the next day's Herbert column counseling me to pay less attention to Anna Nicole Smith and more to, for instance, rebuilding New Orleans.

I feel lousy about saying this. Bob Herbert's on my team. By contrast, I could easily name ten other columnists who seem to make it their mission to find new, untested forms of destruction to bring upon us. If you told me that, say, Charles Krauthammer's articles were ghostwritten by Skeletor, I doubt I'd blink.

I focus on Herbert precisely because I wish he were genuinely influential. Herbert has one of the most powerful megaphones in the world with which to move elite opinion -- that of policymakers, journalists, entertainers, businesspeople, and the millions of middle-class readers of the New York Times -- and yet he doesn't move it. Twice a week, Herbert yells at them for their indifference. Twice a week, they slam the door and run out for a joyride with badboy David Brooks. If Herbert is a bridge between the problems that are neglected and the people who can fix them, then he should be closed for inspection.

Bob Herbert and his fans disagree with me, naturally. Herbert would say that he has helped shift public opinion on issues such as the suppression of black votes in Florida, the rendition of Maher Arar to Syria, and the death penalty. But what I see is that his most influential audience isn't usually paying attention. Maybe that's the fault of Bob Herbert, or maybe it's the fault of Beltway insularity, or maybe it's the fault of life itself. But anyone who wants to advance these crucial issues must figure out the answer to this question: Why is Bob Herbert boring?

Let's suppose it's Bob's fault. Canvassing journalists for what they considered Herbert's vulnerabilities, I compiled a list of criticisms: The column is predictable. It doesn't introduce unusual metaphors or conceits. It doesn't traffic in new ideas. It doesn't strive for humor. It will summarize a liberal think-tank report. It doesn't offer much reporting.

That's a tough list, but at least one criticism -- that Herbert doesn't do much reporting -- is untrue. Many of Herbert's columns are based on extensive reporting, some of it tenacious. In 1999, a rogue cop in Tulia, Texas, orchestrated a supposed sting that sent forty-six of the town's residents (thirty-nine of whom were black, about half of Tulia's black males) to prison on bogus charges. Herbert, tipped by journalists from the Texas Observer, traveled to Tulia in 2002 and penned ten columns on the subject, eventually helping to get most of the men released. In just the past few weeks, he's reported from Chicago, Boston, Newark, and Las Vegas.

As for the rest of the charges, let's take a closer look. Okay, let's not -- I concede that they've got some legitimacy. Herbert's writings do sometimes fail to surprise. Here's a selection of recent tag lines: "All children need health coverage, not just the well-to-do." "It is long past time for the harassment of ethnic minorities by the police to cease." "There are consequences to neglecting the nation's infrastructure." Contrast these with one from David Brooks: "A thing as seemingly superficial as a name can influence, even if slightly, the course of a whole life." Which piece are you going to read?

Herbert also has a few quirks that lend themselves to parody. Recently, in Slate, Christopher Hitchens mocked columnists "like (say) Bob Herbert" who try to be "both 'relevant' and 'contemporary' while still manifesting their self-evident superiority." Hitchens added, "Thus -- I paraphrase only slightly -- 'Even as we all obsess about Paris Hilton, the people of Darfur continue to die.' "Bob Herbert, five weeks later: "You've probably heard more than you wanted to about David Beckham and Posh Spice in recent days, but not a lot about the deaths of these children and teenagers in Chicago."

But here's the thing. Even if one grants these critics their points, the mystery doesn't vanish. William Kristol and Fred Barnes are predictable, uninterested in clever twists, flat in affect, and reliably free of humor. Nevertheless, many of us read them closely. That's because we know they're in tight with the Bush administration and get listened to by the vast conservative movement.

The same goes for the eminent New York Times columnists of yore, who evinced far less brio than Herbert does. Regard veteran foreign correspondent C. L. Sulzberger in 1976: "The Lebanese civil war is as pointless as it is dangerous." Or observe New York Times legend James Reston describe the Ford administration as "a little like the Washington Redskins professional football team. It has won a few games with its old pros, but is being overwhelmed by the challenge of younger men and newer problems." Readers surely weren't riveted by such insights, but they knew that the authors were playing footsie with Pompidou (or similar) and worth keeping an eye on.

The point is that some columnists are influential because they're interesting, while others are interesting because they're influential. If Herbert were having weekly lunches with, say, President John Edwards, he'd probably be one of the most closely read columnists in the country. Power can spruce up many things. That also means that, while Herbert's column might be more interesting if it tried to be jazzier, this isn't a sufficient diagnosis in itself.

That leaves another branch to be explored: that Beltway insularity is to blame. Never have I felt more inclined to resort to this explanation than when I met Bob Herbert, whom I wound up liking just as much as I feared I would. He makes a pretty good case for the idea that it is cocooned Washington types like me who are the problem.

Not that I would entirely mind trading cocoons with Herbert: he lives comfortably with his wife on the fifth floor of one of the Trump Place condominiums on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. The main area of the apartment is a spacious living room with a wall of windows overlooking the West Side highway, the Hudson River, and New Jersey.

On the day I visited, Herbert was preparing to fly to Chicago to report on the killings of schoolchildren. His traveling attire was crisply casual: jeans, a striped blue shirt (two buttons open), and white socks and sneakers. Herbert is sixty-two, but he could easily pass for someone ten or fifteen years younger.

To talk with Herbert is to have that pleasing experience that James Baldwin describes of arguing "with people who do not disagree with me too profoundly." We discussed disappointment with the Clintons, ambivalence about LBJ, inequities in criminal justice, and the proper way to intervene in foreign countries. Easygoing, decent, and concerned about exactly the right things, Herbert reflects carefully on his words. He projects a winning sort of outrage somehow devoid of bile.

Throughout his life, Herbert has navigated between the privileged and the underprivileged, never quite on either side of the divide. He was born in Brooklyn in 1945 but raised in Montclair, New Jersey, where his family owned an upholstery shop. He describes his upbringing as "a working-class family with a middle-class sensibility." Herbert was spared much of the racial prejudice and unrest stirring through the country in the 1950s and early '60s -- Montclair was a "surprisingly integrated town," and he attended a mostly white parochial school. Although he did well academically, he never enrolled full-time in college. (He completed a degree in 1988, receiving a BS in journalism from SUNY Empire State College.)

One of his least privileged periods began in 1965, when he was drafted into the Army and encountered racism of the rawest sort. In Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, where he trained for several weeks, recruits from southern states would call him "nigger" or show him pictures of family members wearing Ku Klux Klan outfits. "That was completely new, completely traumatic," he said. In addition to the emotional ordeal, the physical environment was grim: temperatures during marches were so cold that soldiers' eyelids would freeze shut.

The greatest menace Herbert faced was a possible stint in Vietnam, but instead he was sent to Korea, in 1966. The surroundings were desolate, but he escaped the jungles. Many of his acquaintances didn't. One of Herbert's most affecting columns recounts the Vietnam experiences of two of his friends, Paul Conover and Michael Farmer. Both made it home from combat safely -- at first.

Then the unthinkable happened. Farmer, who had enlisted for four years and was still in the service, got orders to go back to Vietnam. We told him not to go. Call your congressman, we said. Fight this thing. But Farmer didn't know how.

It's not hard to guess what happened. Farmer's second tour lasted only a few months. I was in the back of my father's upholstery shop one afternoon when Conover walked in.

"Farmer didn't make it," he said. And then he started crying.

A year passed ... Conover got married. Other buddies got killed in the war, which began to look like it might go on forever. My sister's boyfriend got shot.

I didn't realize it, but Conover's struggle was winding down. He wouldn't make it, either. I never got the story straight. All I know is that he got his hands on a gun, and one night he waited in a car outside his house for his wife to come home. When she showed up he shot her dead. Then he killed himself ...

A couple of years ago I visited the Vietnam Memorial in Washington. I found Farmer's name, and then, not thinking, looked for Conover's. Of course, it wasn't there.

After getting out of the Army and working in the upholstery business, Herbert decided to pursue a career in writing. Since he had no obvious ins, he telephoned the Newark Star-Ledger to ask for advice. The paper offered him a job. It was 1970. In 1976, Herbert was hired by the New York Daily News, where he rose to become the city hall bureau chief and then a columnist. He was writing the column and working as a national correspondent for NBC News when Howell Raines hired him for the Times op-ed page in 1993.

I asked Herbert why he thinks his columns draw less attention in blogs and other media outlets than those of his colleagues. "The media tends to be drawn like a magnet to power," Herbert said. "Stories about power will generate more chatter." He added: "I think people who are in privileged positions either don't think a lot about people who are not, or don't care about them."

A number of journalists agree with him. One is Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of the Nation. "There's a segmentation in our society that may lead some readers not to care about many of the issues Bob Herbert writes about," she says. "They may be more interested in style than substance." Columnist E. J. Dionne Jr., who praises Herbert as "kind of a prophet," has a similar stance. "Bob resists the temptation to be glitzy," Dionne says. "People don't always want to face up to the things he writes about."

All fair enough. Nevertheless, many of my sources who criticized Herbert's column underscored their admiration for the work of writers like Jason DeParle and Katherine Boo, who also illuminate the lives of the poor. Granted, these writers operate outside of the column format -- in longer articles and books -- but their ability to generate interest in Herbert's chosen subjects suggests that elite readers aren't incontrovertibly apathetic about the lives of those less fortunate.

Since I've examined two theories of blame -- it's Bob's fault; it's Washington's fault -- and found both to be partly wanting, that leaves another possibility: it's the world's fault. Or, at least, it's the fault of human nature. Sadly, history and science make a compelling case that most of us are, indeed, hard-pressed to give a damn.

In the 1960s, the economist Thomas Schelling performed research demonstrating that people are more likely to be moved by single victims than by statistics. In 2005, the psychologists Deborah A. Small, George Loewenstein, and Paul Slovic found the limits of human compassion to be even more irrational and constrained. In their study, students at a university in Pennsylvania were paid five dollars to complete questionnaires on technology. Enclosed with the questionnaire was a seemingly unrelated letter soliciting donations to a hunger relief organization in Africa.

The study's first conclusion was what the researchers had expected: people are more compassionate when they are told about a specific victim. When respondents were asked to donate money to help feed a seven-year-old African girl named Rokia, they contributed more than twice what they did when just confronted with general statistics on hunger.

But then things got surprising. When Rokia was presented with the statistics, the donations fell by nearly half. Worse still, when the authors asked one set of subjects to perform mathematical calculations and the other set of subjects to describe their feelings when they heard the word "baby," the subjects who'd done math gave only about half as much to Rokia as the ones who'd thought about babies. Apparently, just thinking analytically makes us stingier. The authors of the study concluded that "calculative thought lessens the appeal of an identifiable victim."

That's bad news for Herbert, who's fond of specific tales paired with statistics. Penetrating the sympathy barrier of readers is possible, but it generally requires a lot of words and time, and a columnist is restricted to 700 words twice a week. Even worse, op-ed pages are by nature tilted toward argument. Surrounded by analysis, a column that seeks our compassion is already in unfriendly soil.

Some experts suggest that human nature also just resists bad news. Dan Heath, coauthor of Made to Stick: Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die, observed in an e-mail to me that columnists who inflict hard truths on readers

have to make deposits along with the withdrawals. Otherwise, if they cause us hurt twice a week, we instinctively look away, like smokers who don't want to look at blackened-lung photos. Conversely, if Dave Barry took a stand on health care, I think it'd be fixed overnight ... he's made so many deposits and so few withdrawals that millions feel like they owe him something.

Clearly, then, Bob Herbert is at a disadvantage before he even puts pen to paper. Poor people plus statistics equals boring -- we've got the science to prove it. But this explanation, too, is only partial. Otherwise, we'd have to conclude that all columnists with Herbert's convictions and interests are irremediably uninteresting. And surely nothing, except maybe Mort Kondracke, is irremediably uninteresting.

This whodunit will not have an ending worthy of Agatha Christie. But it will, at least, have a resolution: Bobdunit. It's true that elites don't care enough about the world of the working class or the poor. It's true that human nature is inherently biased against Herbert-style entreaties. These obstacles make his job very, very hard. But they are constants. A columnist must use the only variable, his column, to surmount them. Instead, Bob Herbert disregards them. His underlying problem turns out to be simple: he doesn't write with his audience in mind.

When I asked Herbert who he envisions his readers to be, he laughed. "I don't picture readers," he said. "I picture issues and the people that I'm covering." Likewise, when I inquired in an earlier conversation which journalists he considered to be role models, he demurred. "If I can, I'd like to take a pass on that. One, I don't want to talk about current journalists. And the second part is, I didn't model myself on journalists. There were politicians that were more influential to my thinking." He named Harry Truman as one.

Of course, appealing directly to the masses worked for Harry Truman. Bob Herbert, though, writes for a publication that, like it or not, reaches a different audience. Move that audience and, for better or worse, you move the country. "There's what Malcolm Gladwell calls the tipping point of the discourse," says media critic Eric Alterman. "If you don't address yourself to that, nobody will argue with you, and maybe people will feel better for having their views reinforced, but the issue itself won't be advanced."

Certainly, when Herbert focuses his column on specific, local cases of injustice, he can be very effective -- when the New York Timesis on your back, you have to deal with it. On national issues, however, Herbert doesn't write as if he knows that his readers are informed, jaded, and hard to hook.

This is why, for example, Herbert's column in August decrying conservative attempts to block the expansion of the Children's Health Insurance Program as "cruel" was read less than Paul Krugman's column one day earlier on the same topic, which started with a deliberately specious case for abolishing public schools. Krugman's effort, which made the Times Web site's top-25-most-e-mailed-articles list, wasn't necessarily revelatory, but it did try to weave in a provocative analogy rather than simply restate established liberal opinion.

My editors wanted to know if, at the end of this article, I'd fire Bob Herbert. Please. As I've said, he's on my team. Besides, if I could fire Times columnists, who knows where I'd stop? Herbert has a combination of skill and experience that most of us could only hope to match. If he'd overcome his indifference to "chatter" and elite opinion and instead try to attract and coopt it -- in other words, think about who his audience is and what he wants it to do -- he could be one of the most powerful liberal voices in the country.

But I also think that the Times op-ed page could use more than just one writer on Herbert's beat.the New York Times(or any other major paper that professes to care about America's dispossessed) owes it to readers to find the sort of columnists who can wed the sentiments of Bob Herbert to the influence of William Kristol. And maybe, better still, it will find a conservative columnist who weds the sentiments of William Kristol to the influence of Bob Herbert. It wouldn't be a terrible world if we could read a conservative columnist in the Times and say, for a change, "Man, why is he so boring?"

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T. A. Frank is an editor of the Washington Monthly.

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The Bobster
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 30, 2007 3:42 AM   
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Yeah, I've been reading Bob Herbert now for - Dang! - it's got to be twenty years! I'm talking about when he was with the New Your Daily News. Bob and I go back a spell. I've got a "Bob Herbert" file in my computer with columns from four years ago on.

He is a muckraking journalist in the best sense of that term - always comforting the inflicted and inflicting the comfortable....Or is that "Afflicting"? Whatever. He's our Bobby and we'll heep him, thank you very much.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» The "Bobster"? Cute. Posted by: JoAnne
Bob Herbert is a national treasure!
Posted by: jmontars on Oct 30, 2007 4:03 AM   
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"Bob Herbert is the only national columnist at a major newspaper who consistently writes about the issues in our country that matter most yet seem to be covered least." That sums it up quite nicely. He's a gem. I have a special file just for his articles. I look forward to his column with as much anticipation as I do my other favorite New York Times op/ed writers.

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The United States of Trivia
Posted by: northerner on Oct 30, 2007 5:46 AM   
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I read Herbert regularly along with Krugman. I won't waste a minute of my time with Kristof, Dowd, Friedman and Brooks and the other NYT "stars".

It's a shame so many Americans have microscopic attention spans that are increasingly focused on trivia. I'm actually surprised the author managed to write 4000 words without becoming too bored to finish. Although given the piece's astonishingly high "drivel index", I wish he or she had shown a little less persistence...

You've got to wonder if decades of crap entertainment, news, politics and education just happened (i.e. the lowest common denominator effect), or if the people running your country wanted it that way.

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» RE: How to waste time On Herbert Posted by: northerner
Eh?
Posted by: realthog on Oct 30, 2007 6:23 AM   
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I read Bob Herbert probably the most regularly of all the NYT columnists with the possible exception of Frank Rich (whose column I rarely miss). I frequently share his column with friends, to whom I on occasion describe Herbert as "the best op-edder of the lot of 'em", etc.

So you can imagine my startlement on reading this article to find that Herbert's held in such low esteem elsewhere. Not among the folks I know, he's not.

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Is being infomed enough?
Posted by: JoAnne on Oct 30, 2007 6:50 AM   
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I think not....How much good bad news can we assimilate, before we're motivated to put our papers down, shut off the computer, turn off the TV..and the radio and do what needs to be done to even begin to make changes? Unfortunately the way things go is, until enough of the broad masses are in enough pain nothing of import will change... Piecemill pain doesn't cut it. Did the 9/11 events motivate us to demand the truth behind the attacks? And what if we were told the truth? Did Katrina and suffering as a result of incompetent/corrupt gov't motivate the us? How about the pain and death of masses of uninsured? The homeless, drugged, mentally ill? Oh yes, and has 1,200,000 Iraqi deaths as a result of the illegal invasion been enough to stimulate us? You and I could go on and on...Are anyone of those factor... or the total of them been enough to tip the scales for change? Heck, no. The people behind these "stories" are the object of our psychological projections..The less we hear and see of them the less we have to deal with our own deeply seeded fears. And Buscho is doing scarily wonderfully in the fear dept. No, a lot more first-hand discomfort to a lot more people is what will be necessary to wake us out of our stupor and recognize what is bad for one of us effects all of us. And that's just the start. Then we must become battle hardened for the hard work.... I don't necessarily mean violenct "work"but I don't necessarily mean non-violenct either. And this is NOT, readers, an indictment of Mr Herbert.

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Duh! You said so yourself,
Posted by: StPeteRican on Oct 30, 2007 7:07 AM   
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Herbert writes about issues that matter to most of us, real people, hence issues that the corporate media would rather keep under wraps. I find it amazing that NYT even gives this man the time of day to begin with.

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» RE: Duh! You said so yourself, Posted by: VZEQICVA
PRAISE FOR BOB HERBERT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 30, 2007 7:22 AM   
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He's the equvalent of a man with something important to say but he refuses to shout. I wouldn't miss his column. He's unpretentious in his presentation, but he certainly has his opinions about things that other writers don't dare touch. They lack his easy way of pointing out what's wrong without getting hysterical and offending the ever present indignant readers. I'm sorry so few people know of him but I hope he continues to rise above the rest. They'll find him Thanks, ANNA

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» Shy, soft-spoken Bob Posted by: JoAnne
» RE: Shy, soft-spoken Bob Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Shy, soft-spoken Bob Posted by: JoAnne
Of course race has nothing to do with it
Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 30, 2007 8:00 AM   
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Why am I not surprised that Bob Herbert has fewer readers than other Times columnists? That Franks could spend all those words defending him and not mention the obvious sticking point: the color of his skin, is perhaps a clue to this phenomenon. The Washington establishment has agreed that it's okay to ignore race. Say anything you like about Condi, but don't compare her to other black women. Affirmative action? Clarence Thomas will give you permission to diss it.

Of course, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson refuse to go away—Herbert should think twice before he protests too much—but I sense that some people are getting a little bored with Barack Obama. Like Herbert, he's a smart, reasonable guy who hasn't forgotten where he came from. If Krugman, a white economist who teaches at Princeton, sees injustice in the way poor children, including African Americans and Latino immigrants, are denied health care, attention must be paid. If Herbert says the same thing, he's dismissed as predictable. A tired old liberal. Or worse, the Times' token black man.

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I always look for Herbert
Posted by: dancerkc on Oct 30, 2007 8:40 AM   
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Ever since I first ran into his columns some years ago I have looked for his writing. I hated when The Times closed him off with the special set of columnists. I wasn't about to buy the specials. So I always searched for him on the other outlets which republished his stuff. He is simply straight-arrow best.

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When I See Bob on my editorial page...
Posted by: rjgwood on Oct 30, 2007 10:00 AM   
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I always read him first.

Is the author sure Bob doesn't have a large readership?

Perhaps he doesn't speak to the elites or consider the NYT readership, but he does speak to the average person who is out here living in this mess.

But then we are just as uninteresting to the people in power, the elites that Bob fails to consider, which is patently obvious.

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Glad to see Bob Herbert get some of the recognition he deserves
Posted by: dayenta on Oct 30, 2007 10:15 AM   
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And a rare being these days, a REAL journalist!!!

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Urticaria
Posted by: atruedemocrat on Oct 30, 2007 11:03 AM   
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Re the reason why Bob Herbert is not cited:
So many of the socalled elite cannot bring themselves to admit that there are real problems in this country, therefore, they refuse to acknowledge that there are real people who do acknowlege and describe the problems and try to point them out to the elite. But the comments that Mr Herbert is boring are merely excuses to avoid acknowleging the truth of the existance of the tragic circumstances and horrors forced upon our people who suffer under the cloak of elitism in our government and the lords and ladies of the royalty in our midst.

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No, i can't imagine how Startled you must have been..
Posted by: JoAnne on Oct 30, 2007 11:41 AM   
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at Mr. Hebert's low ratings as first reported here on Alteret... But I can imagine that you are numbed out by the severity of the subjects about which Mr. Herbert writes.. I can't imagine how startled you'll be when we bomb Iran or another city get's hit, esepcially if it's you own. Let's act before then, okay? Scary, right?

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Funny how this article only has 27 comments
Posted by: hellofriends on Oct 30, 2007 12:27 PM   
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:(

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Thebigkate
Posted by: Thebigkate on Oct 30, 2007 12:46 PM   
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It is horrifying to me that Thomas Friedman is more often read and commented on than Bob Herbert! I like Bob Herbert's forthrightness as much as I dislike Thomas Friedman's "playing both sides against the middle." It is obvious that Friedman sucks up to power to keep access. That Bob Herbert does not makes me respect him all the more. I think his lack of a following, and Friedman's popularity, really speak to how naive and "dumbed down" NYT readers are! Actually....... that goes for the reading public in general!

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louise
Posted by: sharone on Oct 30, 2007 1:19 PM   
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Bob Herbert is one of my favorite columnists in the NY Times. I totally agree that he is always right!

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thekidde
Posted by: thekidde on Oct 30, 2007 1:37 PM   
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Think Bob Herbert is an excellent columnist, but "doing God's work?" What crap is that? Is Herbert stoning homosexuals and adulterers, wacking his neighbors for cutting the grass on Sunday? What?

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it's racism, pure and simple
Posted by: blackfeminista on Oct 30, 2007 2:19 PM   
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I am also frustrated, though not suprised, by the lack of race and racism analysis in this article. This is THE ROOT of the problem with the lack of recognition for Bob Herbert's work. In fact, addressing the root causes of injustice is what Herbert does --so elegantly, so poignantly, so truthfully --and few people really give a damn, especially the recognized white elite of liberal opinion makers. Bob Herbert is a must read for me and I hardly ever read Dowd, Krugman and all the others mentioned (all white, I would bet).

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» RE: it's racism, pure and simple Posted by: Freedomrider
Bob
Posted by: pizzmoe on Oct 30, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Bob Herbert, (along with Krugman and Rich) are the NYT columnists I read regularly, and I can't imagine I'm only one of few who do.

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A very serious question
Posted by: JoAnne on Oct 30, 2007 3:00 PM   
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Dennis Kucinich today, regarding President Bush's remark about WWIII: ""You cannot be a president of the United States who's wanton in his expression of violence," Kucinich said. "There's a lot of people who need care. He might be one of them. If there isn't something wrong with him, then there's something wrong with us. This, to me, is a very serious question."

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The Numbers
Posted by: Sparks56 on Oct 30, 2007 5:53 PM   
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The numbers are not on your side. People mention pundits and columnists when they disagree more than when they agree. I read the NY Times OpEd page every day. I write letters to the editor constantly. (A few have been published.) I have commented on, and/or disagreed with every columnist you mention, and a very few, in agreement with Herbert. The juices just don't get going when someone is so right on the money every time. Herbert's series on the harassment of black teenagers by NYPD cops is a good example.
David Brooks. Now there's a guy who inspires a lot of letters.

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B4 the NYT hid behind a fee, I read Herbert regularly.
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 30, 2007 9:24 PM   
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And I probably sent more emails of appreciation to him than anyone else. The figures cited may indicate degrees of popularlity. BH clearly does not write to please people. He writes what the msm ought to be writing.

I have now gotten out of the habit of reading the NYT editorials. I do miss BH and Krugman. Truth is, however, I do not lack for news and opinion. I am a netroots junkie, and I cannot keep up with all the good stuff offered.

Since nobody is listening anyhow, I just wallow in my misery, fingers crossed, hoping for a leadership miracle. I have outgrown the need for drama--which is what most columnists peddle. Gimme some solid opinions built around insightful justifictions (only now noticed the typo; probably says more than justifications). I don't know that it will change much. But at least I feel less like a fool when I can see what's really going on around me. I can almost smell Rome burning.

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» RE: Times Select is gone Posted by: Urstrly
I avoid threads about
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Oct 30, 2007 10:32 PM   
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The Daily Show, Krugman, KO, etc.

Why? I like to challenge people and make em think. Folks on those threads already do plenty of that and I have better things to do than chime in my ME TOO! with everybody else.

Ashamed to admit (although I'm betting I've read some of his columns) I never heard of this guy (that I remember, of course). I'll rectify that shortly.

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Why insult the reader?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Oct 31, 2007 4:14 AM   
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Why start off with a sentence like, This past week you've been hearing far too much about Paris Hilton... [tsk, tsk]... I'm sure other writers do this, but hadn't realized Herbert does it SO often he's being parodied about it. Faced with an opening sentence like that I tend not to read any further.

His own paper barely reports on such "celebrity" gossip, so why does he assume that his readers are celebrity gossip addicts? Oh right, he doesn't think of the readers at all, and tells the interviewer so.

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