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What Bill O'Reilly Just Learned About Black People

By Rory O'Connor, AlterNet. Posted September 26, 2007.


Here's a look at O'Reilly's latest racial gaffe from his eye-opening visit to Harlem, plus the "lowlights" of his thoughts on race over the last few years.
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If he weren't such a ridiculous, pathetic oaf, I'd invite Bill O'Reilly up to my 'hood for a little white-on-white bonding, re-education and diversity training -- if he weren't afraid to set foot in it!

It would obviously surprise, and perhaps even frighten the Man Who Wouldn't Shut Up, to learn that I now live in Harlem -- along with many other white people, not to mention a wide and growing assortment of Asians, Hispanics, Arabs, African Americans and all the rest of what makes Manhattan such a vibrant, interesting and exciting place to live and work.

Apparently O'Reilly, trapped back in time as well as in his suburban cocoon and Fox bunker, hasn't noticed any of the ongoing changes in Harlem -- or for that matter the rest of America -- that have taken place since he and I attended the same very Catholic, very strict and very segregated college prep school in lily-white Long Island back in the '60s.

Back then there was only one skinny little black kid in the class -- and he was regularly brutalized by the hulking football players. Given that racist background -- and given the further fact that he obviously hasn't progressed much since then -- it comes as no surprise that O'Reilly recently expressed his surprise that "there was no difference" between Sylvia's, a world-famous Harlem restaurant, and other restaurants in New York.

"I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship," the amazed talkmeister told his national audience of millions.

This latest in a depressingly long series of O'Reilly racial dustups began last week on his syndicated radio program, while he was discussing a recent dinner he had enjoyed at Sylvia's with his new pal Al Sharpton.

O'Reilly told his audience he "had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful." (For Bill, it's somehow always all about him!) He added, "I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship."

Later, while talking with Fox News contributor (and National Public Radio senior correspondent) Juan Williams, O'Reilly further exposed his cosseted ignorance, saying, "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'MF-er, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

Just imagine -- those crazy MF-ers in Harlem "ordering and having fun" just like they do in Italian restaurants in the "all-white" suburbs that O'Reilly STILL inhabits! What will they think of next -- donning leisure suits? (Frankly, the only crazy people I've ever heard yelling obscenities in New York restaurants were O'Reilly's Fox fellow travelers screaming for more booze in Langan's, the Irish pub they hang out in near their Sixth Avenue headquarters.)

The racist ranter then compounded his idiocy by noting, "I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out. 'Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it.'"

As noted above, this embarrassing outburst is far from the first time O'Reilly has made provocative statements about race. (See Media Matters for America for documentation.)

But here are a few past lowlights:

  • During the Feb. 5 edition of Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor," in a conversation about President Bush's description of Barack Obama as "articulate," O'Reilly told a Temple University professor, "Instead of black and white Americans coming together, white Americans are terrified. They're terrified. Now we can't even say you're articulate? We can't even give you guys compliments because they may be taken as condescension?"
  • On the Aug. 16, 2006, edition of "The O'Reilly Factor," O'Reilly called for "profiling of Muslims" at airports, arguing that detaining all "Muslims between the ages of 16 and 45" for questioning "isn't racial profiling," but "criminal profiling."
  • In a Feb. 27, 2006, conversation with a caller about the disproportionately few jobs and contracts that have gone to locals in the rebuilding of New Orleans, O'Reilly said: "[T]he homies, you know ... I mean, they're just not going to get the job."

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OBVIOUSLY......
Posted by: ALANHESTER on Sep 26, 2007 2:42 PM   
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This is the image that America wants: a profound bigot. Otherwise he wouldn't exist. It is also a strong message to the rest of the world: Don't believe the hype about democracy and freedom, we are nothing more than selfish and greedy individuals. The AMerican Dream is a myth.

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» RE: OBVIOUSLY...... Posted by: Bambi
» wrong turn... Posted by: Sushi
» RE: wrong turn... Posted by: Kym525
A long time ago, Gwendolyn Brooks wrote a poem about O'Reilly's experience
Posted by: sarahk on Sep 26, 2007 3:07 PM   
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Here is a poem by Gwendolyn Brooks about white folks visiting a restaurant in a black part of town. I think it also describes O'Reilly's experience.

I love those little booths at Benvenuti's

They get to Benvenuti's. There are booths
To hide in while observing tropical truths
About this—dusky folk, so clamorous!
So colorfully incorrect,
So amorous,
So flatly brave!
Boothed-in, one can detect,
Dissect.

One knows and scarcely knows what to expect.

What antics, knives, what lurching dirt; what ditty—
Dirty, rich, carmine, hot, not bottled up,
Straining in sexual soprano, cut
And praying in the bass, partial, unpretty.

.......(middle verses here)

But how shall they tell people they have been
Out Bronzeville way? For all the nickels in
Have not brought savagery or defined a "folk."

The colored people will not "clown."

The colored people arrive, sit firmly down,
Eat their Express Spaghetti, their T-bone steak,
Handling their steel and crockery with no clatter,
Laugh punily, rise, go firmly out of the door.

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Take a step back
Posted by: Alex Jung on Sep 26, 2007 3:24 PM   
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Try not to self-congratulate yourself too much there buddy about living in Harlem, and thinking that you're 'down' (conservatives aren't much of a standard there). You're actually part of a growing part of gentrification--so while you might score some cool points living in the 'hood,' the fact is that you're contributing to the displacement of low-income, black and Latino folks.

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"Just the same"
Posted by: defrag on Sep 26, 2007 3:37 PM   
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Oh, I bet they spit in Bill O'Reilly's food in lots of restaurants.

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» RE: "Just the same" Posted by: dayenta
» RE: "Just the same" Posted by: Lauren
O'Reilly Who?
Posted by: allusiv on Sep 26, 2007 4:32 PM   
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Bill O'Reilly doesn't deserve a spot on AlterNet, even if to bash him as racist.

Bill O'Reilly is a troll. Don't feed him!

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» RE: O'Reilly Who? Posted by: donl51
» RE: O'Reilly Who? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: O'Reilly Who? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: O'Reilly Who? Posted by: VZEQICVA
Speaking as a black woman who has always thought for herself
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 26, 2007 4:35 PM   
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I'm not surprised by O'Really's idiotic comments concerning his trip to Harlem. After all, this is a man who makes a very good living spreading distortions and half-truths about groups he knows zip, zilch, nada about.

Of course black people think for themselves, duh! We always have. I don't know how many times I've even discussed this on alternet and elsewhere until I'm blue in the face. There are black rockers, skaters, comic book geeks, nerds, chess players, classical pianists, opera singers, science-fiction writers...shall I continue (I'm a metalhead myself). Black people have always been diverse in thought as well as in deed. If one actually bothered to stop watching television and go out in the real world, you'd know this. In O'Really's small world (as in many others of his ilk) ALL black folk can be characterized by baggy pants, big earrings and ghetto fabulous.

Some black people support Jesse and Al, but for varying reasons. Some do not, just as some are going to vote for Hillary and some for Obama (and not simply because he's black, so let's put that to rest right now).

Politically speaking, black people are far more socially conservative than the spin-meisters like O'Really let on. Polls on the subject of gay marriage proved that. However, if you were to ask us why many of us vote democratic, the answers wouldn't necessarily be the same either.

No, I'm not shocked about O'Really's nonsense. I don't expect anything better from him. The people I'm really pissed off at are his target audience who are just as ignorant and backwards who and so easily led into believing the worst of black people. They judge us all by the actions of a few. More than likely when they heard their great-god O'Really saying something "positive" about black people, they probably thought it was a set-up created by Al Sharpton to please us 'liberals'.

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» independent black woman Posted by: davidg
to Mr. O'Reilly;
Posted by: eosrk on Sep 26, 2007 5:11 PM   
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you and NewsCorp can shove it in your ass......which you don't have much of, along with that "colored woman", whom is always siding with you!

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» RE: to Mr. O'Reilly; Posted by: Lily H.
Part of a Larger Trend?
Posted by: CatDad on Sep 26, 2007 5:36 PM   
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This is a painful time of transition for the Right and its echo chamber. The dream of Hispanics rallying around the GOP has been lost...other than the hard core Cuban exiles in S. Florida...The small inroads they made in the black community by pandering to pervasive black homophobia was lost by images of the bodies of black Americans floating down the Mississippi during Katrina.

The GOP is "re-branding" itself as a nativist party.....It will be a party of affluent white and white fundamentalists. This re-branding effort might take a few years and it may involve deliberately throwing the election to Hillary to create large amounts of negative energy to re-energize the base for the 2010 mid-terms.

The overt racist comments coming from the Right echo chamber is a reflection of what is to come.

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» RE: Part of a Larger Trend? Posted by: marcos
» RE: Part of a Larger Trend? Posted by: Lauren
Accurate Reporting
Posted by: rocketman on Sep 26, 2007 5:58 PM   
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I can take or leave O'Reilly, but check out his web site and listen to the Radio Factor on it.. I think you'll get a different take than what is written in this article..

As for Sharpton, I have little use for him..he's basically a bigot, but I was surprised to find out that he supported O Reilly and agreed to appear on his show again in support.

Apparently CNN and some left blogs have misquoted him on his latest comments with Juan Williams!

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» RE: Accurate Reporting Posted by: jmooney
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» RE: Accurate Reporting Posted by: zorro
Rory- you went to Chaminade?
Posted by: EasterBunny on Sep 26, 2007 6:42 PM   
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i heard that's where O'Reilly went.

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Fair and Balanced
Posted by: chomsky on Sep 26, 2007 7:02 PM   
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This site is really fair and balanced isn't it... The guy that runs this site is obviously making a lot of money on just non-sense that tries to pull people apart. The whole deal on O'riely was totally taken out of context and is not what he was saying at all. I still don't like him because he is just a plain jerk, but he's right on most of his points, though he gets too stubborn on some and thinks that his way is the only one. He's a lot smarter than this white homeboy that is talking about living in the hood though. Wow! You know, black people, white people, and all the colors in between can make up their own mind on what they think, how they vote, and live. They don't need you, Oriely or anyone else to tell them how!!! Look at what you believe in, your religion, what is important to you in your life, and then go out and support those people. Just because they are in one party or the other doesn't mean anything, nor do campaign promises that pamper to groups and demean people. Quit being used.

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Fantastic!
Posted by: suprmark on Sep 27, 2007 12:53 AM   
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Bill O'Reilly is a racist bigot. Many in his audience are racist bigots. They trust him. They believe what he says (generally to our chagrin). He has just said that blacks are no different than whites. That they act in a civilised manner when at restaurants just like white people, and they dress to the occasion just like white people. That their food is worthy of praise.

We can shout at the tops of our lungs that everyone shares a common humanity and the listeners of Bill O'Reilly will not listen to us. He has furthered the cause of equality with those statements than most of us will in our lifetimes. Not to credit him, as it was Al Sharpton who gained his trust enough to show him the truth.

This is a step forward in the march to racial equality as much as it is a light on how racist powerful figures in the American media really are.

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» RE: Fantastic! Posted by: desidid
» RE: Fantastic! Posted by: perri6
It's almost as though they were human!
Posted by: DanYHKim on Sep 27, 2007 3:49 AM   
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It is important to see one's enemies as non-human. I imagine that O'Reilly thinks that terrorists subsist on a diet of their own babies. I recall an incident some years back where a wedding party in Iraq was attacked by U.S. forces, killing the couple and much of their families. It was somehow inconceivable that any gathering of Iraqis could be anything but trouble. I mean, whoda thunk they have weddings and stuff?

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averageaussie
Posted by: averageaussie on Sep 27, 2007 4:13 AM   
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Oreally, you turd. If the quotes I've seen here and in other reports are accurate then you have proven yourself to be a pathetic, bigoted, arrogant ass hole. How dare YOU, of all people, lower yourself, and, by extension, your audience to such a vile racist outpouring.
I have travelled often to the us and witnessed the self destruction of what may have once been a great country, on each visit I have found that "white" americans are just like oreally as described above, to the point that I will never ask anything of "white" americans. oreally, you are an absolutely unfair and unbalanced pompous fool.

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Factor this...
Posted by: peacelf on Sep 27, 2007 4:29 AM   
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O'Reilly is one in a million, actually several millions, who feel the same as he does, and they would be surprised to find that blacks want their piece of the pie, too.

However, the real telling part of the O'Reilly ignorant racist rant story is his disdain for blacks who refuse to assimilate for historical and other reasons. O'Reilly has not a clue why some African Americans would not want to assimilate. To O'Reilly, racism is a thing of the past; discrimination does not exist, nor does racial terrorism.

The Jena six play no part in the consciousness of O'Reilly idols, nor does a black man dragged behind a pick up truck, or an innnocent black man shot by police. The Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world are just "stirring up trouble." And, life would be so much better if "those people" would just "act white." It's no wonder Michael Jackson is confused.

My point is simply this: that O'Reially is not an anomaly but speaking for many americans who have not embraced the "other." And, this is further perpetuated by the corporate media that provides white america with racist imagery from Cops to marketing Rap music that made Cornel West ask in Democracy Matters, "How ironic that in America we've moved so quickly from Martin Luther King Jr.'s "Let Freedom Ring!" to "Bling! Bling!"...

In defense of Rappers, some have simply taken free market fundamentalism to an art form, and giving the record labels what they want; but O'Reilly and his white-bred listeners interpret Rap as counterculture, when it is materialistic hyper-culture, or, more specifically, doing what Elvis did and O'Reilly does: buying "things."

Meanwhile, the Sharptons and Jacksons keep building the hope of "Let freedon ring!" while O'Reilly inadvertedly? tears it down.

Peace

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4.1
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 27, 2007 4:51 AM   
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Regarding the first bullet point on the list of O'Reilly faux pas', I think there is a grain of truth to what he says.

The excesses of political correctness are making otherwise good-intentioned people nervous and tongue-tied. Should a black person be afraid to tell a white bass player that he's got a great sense of funk?...Or that he's a great dancer and has a good sense of rhythm?...Or to say Eminem is a good rapper?...all because he's afraid of being accused of buying into myths?

If integration and diversity are good things, we should all be able to feel comfortable in simple, honest, harmless conversation. And that includes some of us who might not say the "right" thing all the time due to our lack of hipness, worldliness, PC sense, social skills, etc., regardless of what GWB and O'Reilly are saying these days.

By the way, the first thing that hit me about Obama is how articulate he is, apart from whether or not he is black. I saw him in a long interview, and was amazed at how good he was at getting through tough questions without getting cornered or appearing evasive, compared with most other mainstream politicians. Hillary, for example, comes across as evasive and superficial on pretty much every question she gets. There...I said it: Obama is articulate...Boo!!!

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an aside...
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Sep 27, 2007 5:52 AM   
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O'Connor speaks of Nassau County where he and Bill grew up as 'lily white'. the census numbers don't bear that out factually.
you can check it here;
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=22485

adding up the minorities it comes to about 47% of the population in Nassau County. hardly lily white...

this sounds a lot like the 212 vs 516 & 631 area code snobbery that one adopts when one moves in to the city from the 'burbs.
and yes, Bill is an idiot...

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Why is Alternet giving either of these people press?
Posted by: Bart Thesc on Sep 27, 2007 6:21 AM   
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Both O'Reilly and Sharpton are known divisive knuckleheads. It is not a surprise when either of them say incredibly stupid things. Aren't there better things that Alternet could be covering? Like how bad our use of plastic grocery bags is going to screw the planet in the next fifty years.

What a waste of perfectly good electrons.

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» RE: Why knuckleheads. Posted by: Lauren
m2007
Posted by: m2007 on Sep 27, 2007 6:50 AM   
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The worst mistake an intelligent person can make is to believe what they read or hear reported on the news without doing their own research. Someone who jumps onto a bandwagon because of another's quote is just following blindly and not using their own resources and brains.
Anyone who has posted here, including the original story writer, who had taken O'Reilly's comments literally, without knowing when, how and in what context they were said, should take another look. What I really see from most of these posts are people who are close-minded and seemingly unwilling to do some research and form their own opinions.

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what he really said
Posted by: mariannem85 on Sep 27, 2007 6:53 AM   
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Just first off..... I can't stand Oreilly
He's a stupid old man.
But before anyone else goes freaking out about what he said take a listen to the context in which these comments derived
I always second guess what the media shoves down my throat. I heard the little sound bites of what he said on the radio and I couldn't figure out what the hell he was talking about. So i went to the jerks website and listened to the whole hour when this particular discussion took place.
Here's the link
http://billoreilly.com/blog?action=view
Blog&blogID=-514007249730622364

And I have to say, this is absolutely ridiculous. His whole speech was to speak out against the stereotypes of black Americans. All he said in a nutshell was he was surprised that sylvia's didn't have a more of a 'proud of our culture' kind of atmosphere, just like mexican restaurants have mariachi bands and photos on the wall of their heritage. If taken out of context - its easy to see how this is misunderstood. Yeah its probably not the SMARTEST way to put it - but we all know he's an idiot. I just don't think he's racist. And the other comments everyone was highlighting in the news.... about the ice tea and stuff. He said that after talking about how ignorant people have these stereotypes of how black americans live their lives. Some people (including his grandmother as he pointed out) are intimidated because of all the gangsta rappers images of themselves and their friends. His remarks were only to make people think of how the media portrays that particular ethnicity. And more often than not - its not in a good light. I just dont understand what everyone is reaching at here.....

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If you don't want to listen like mariannem85 bravely did,
Posted by: porgygirl on Sep 27, 2007 7:33 AM   
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you can read some transcript at

mediamatters.org

His comments do indeed seem to have been taken out of context. He's not saying he's surprised that people weren't yelling for m-fing ice tea; he's saying that based on what a lot of crass hip hop seems to suggest, one might expect that, but that's not how it really is.

That's not to say he's not ignorant. He claims that black people are starting (starting!!) to think for themselves, and apparently thinks the most noble thing a person of color can do is decide not to think about racism anymore.

And some of his statements on other occasions have been bigoted and crazy, as this article points out. On this particular occasion, he's being quoted out of context. No, I don't feel sorry for him--Mr. "DailyKos is a hate site" O'Reilly is getting a taste of his own medicine.

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This is a good development
Posted by: Frankstank on Sep 27, 2007 8:00 AM   
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I actually think this is an amazing opportunity to air the thoughts of a lot of white (and asian) Americans about black people. Let's face it, people might not admit it in public, but this is the way they think. It is better to get it out there and talk about it and how many misconceptions there are about black people and their culture.

Of course anyone with a brain who really knows black people, or lived in a majority black community, knows people are people.

I always recommend people go against all the prejudices and trash we are fed about black people. Just get to know people and work hard to get past the mistrust and bad history. If you treat somebody like you want to be treated, then 90 per cent of people are fine. As for the nasty 10 per cent, like anywhere be cautious.

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Recycling
Posted by: jamester on Sep 27, 2007 8:19 AM   
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For as long as O'Reilly's been on the air, you sure do recycle the same few quotes over and over again. Kinda looks like you're having to strain to make your argument...

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Judy
Posted by: Judy Kolbaba on Sep 27, 2007 8:36 AM   
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I am continuously shocked and dismayed that this poor excuse for a journalist/human being, better known as Bill O`Reilly is still allowed air time. Never has anyone instilled such outrage in me, with his smug, self absorbed demeanor. When I heard he actually cut the mic on guests because they dared to disagree with him, when it became apparant that his opinions, stated as facts, were nothing more than ignorant rants, and now, this ridiculous speech about the restaurant in Harlem, I am forever grateful for the Keith Olbermans in the world !!!

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Why is anyone surprised by this?
Posted by: pdxlinuxchix on Sep 27, 2007 8:39 AM   
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Look, I think that O'Reilly was taken out of context AND he was genuinely surprised that black folks can be civilized. Is there anyone here who is surprised by that? If so, what country have you been living in?

I'm a black woman, working in the physical sciences (evolutionary biology) and if I've learned nothing else about race in America, it is this: if you are black, you had best be prepared to be the best and brightest person in the room; every room, every time. If you do that you will be considered average for your efforts. Recognize this and move on with your life. White folks are going to say entirely ignorant stuff about black folks. Such as it is and such as it always will be. As long as it is not legal for these attitudes to become your problem (in other words, as long as you can still rent or buy a home where you wish, get the job you are qualified for, go to the school you are qualified to be admitted to) then there's not a lot else that *can* be done.

It's not that I think this is the way things *should* be, only that this is how things are. Let it go, folks. Every time liberals (and I am one) scream when some right-wing media figure spouts off some stupid statement or another we lessen the impact when it really IS a big deal. We should hold these reactions for when it's really necessary. This isn't one of those times, given the source. Like I said before, is there anyone surprised? If so, why are you surprised?

Cheers
Aj

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condescending and boorish yes, but not racist
Posted by: gerdhansel on Sep 27, 2007 8:48 AM   
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Thought police alert! Thought police alert!

What Bill O said was condescending and boorish, but give me a break. All the criticisms I've seen on this post have taken the boorish rants of this clueless Irish Catholic and recast them in much more caustic, abrasive terms.

When you take, "they were actually wearing suits" and make him sound like Archie Bunker deriding "Mau Maus with bones in their noses" you're putting words in the guys mouth.

Some people are just too thin-skinned for their own good, and I'm not just talking about the melanin-challenged. There is a world of difference between Bill O's surprise that nobody yelled "M'fer give me some ice tea," and Don Imus calling the Rutgers basketball team "nappy-headed ho's."

As a Southerner, I'm keenly aware that the word "nappy" carries some serious baggage. Imus should've known better, and he deserved what he got.

Maybe Bill O is a flaming racist, but all I've seen on this post are lame attempts to put words in the guy's mouth and play junior thought police.

Die gedanken sind frei. My thoughts belong to me until they come out my mouth, and I've really had it with thin-skinned people who make such accusations based on nothing more than a gut feeling or leap of faith.

If I hear one more person say, "when you say that you really mean this terrrible thing" I'm going to lose it. When I say a thing, I mean what I said and not what you think I said.

Here's a unique thought: maybe Bill O is a clueless, boorish white guy and nothing more. The way to deal with the Bill O'reilly's of the world is to educate them, not call them terrible names and try to destroy them

If boorish white guys can't say what they think about racial issues, this county will never have a real dialog about race, and that would be a crying shame.

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All of the posters supporting O'Reilly forget one very important thing
Posted by: Kym525 on Sep 27, 2007 9:27 AM   
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O'Reilly is a bigot. His past track record speaks loud and clear to that. Therefore, to all of you completely going off the rails trying to defend this clown--it is not surprising that many people (and not just black) took his comments as racist. Had this been someone else--Al Franken, Keith Olbermann or Bill Maher--the so-called 'satire' might have worked.

Frankly, I am really tired of people telling me what I KNOW damn well I HEARD. I have listened to this Radio Factor show several times, and each time come away with the feeling this man really lives with his head up his ass. Especially his last remark about black people thinking for themselves.

I'm glad Media Matters and CNN had the guts to call O'Really out. The man is ignorant and it showed. On the other hand, perhaps the chickens have come home to roost and perhaps O'Really may realize that his race-baiting tactics have backfired.

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o'reilly is the new father coughlin
Posted by: wleming on Sep 27, 2007 10:13 AM   
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Limbag, O'Reilly, and even the sad, oppourtunist,
self described "conservative" Juan Williams.. NPR's addition to the fascist, occidental, xenophobic network make us reflect on
the long history of US racist media, going back to the days of Father Coughlin, whose anti semitic rants precede the Second World war. But while you are at it with the book, lets not locate all of this with the obvious Right; see what the corporate media have done to the racial IQ with their racist reportage. Negative images of Blacks, Browns and anyone deemed unWhite are a daily fact; NBC, ABC. CBS et.al. have played their part.

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These Are Not "Gaffes"
Posted by: Jeffrey Levy on Sep 27, 2007 10:55 AM   
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Not such a bad article overall.

But, O'Reilly's comments are neither "gaffes" as the article states, nor "embarrassing." They are obvious expressions of his limited and racist presumptions. They do not "embarass" me, as I did not make the comments -- I simply find them vile.

Thanks for exposing the details of Bill's mind.

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Why is this news?
Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 27, 2007 12:03 PM   
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If memory serves, O'Reilly (which sounds distinctly Irish, but enough of that irony) was one of the chief propagandizers for the Afghanistan/Iraq wars which were most certainly launched on racist premises. Therefore, it isn't such a jump that the man would also be a bit anti-black.

As others have said, what truly sad is that there are MILLIONS out there who share the same level of ignorance and racism as this scum. He (O'Reilly) deserves zero respect nor do many of the pundits/demagogues on FauxNews which do the advertising for Washington.

2 cents.

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Archie Bunker Redux
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Sep 27, 2007 12:21 PM   
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Good thing I don't listen to Bill O'Reilly's show. It'll lower my intelligence. He reminds me of Archie Bunker; but the difference between that caricature and the talking head is O'Reilly gets PAID to say his drivel on air.
Was that his first sojourn to Harlem? It might have been. I am from Harlem and I do know it has changed from my days of youth.
I think O'Reilly secretly wants to be Black since he speaks highly of us. Let's pray he doesn't try to be a rapper.

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» RE: Archie Bunker Redux Posted by: Kym525
dat
Posted by: diarmaid on Sep 27, 2007 1:20 PM   
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thanks zeus o'reilly is real not a joke. people like him makes me feel even smarter.

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SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN TO GO HOME
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 27, 2007 2:13 PM   
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We've all been at parties where someone who's a pain in evryone's arse just won't leave. They usually have one of those long suffering spouses. They have too much to say and are never funny. It's time for Bill to retire so he can spend more time with his family. Last I heard his audience was shrinking. I'm not surprised. He gets far too much attention and makes an obscene amount of money. If he's ignored maybe he'll go away. Thanks, ANNA

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This is Metaphysical Justice
Posted by: Angel1961 on Sep 27, 2007 7:54 PM   
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Last night, O'Really went a on tirade about having his words manipulated by CNN, et al. About media distortion of facts. About his shock and outrage that media would ACTUALLY distort facts to begin with. And about how he is going to call them on being biased.

Wasn't this the point of setting up Faux News in the first place? Rupert Murdoch pays Bill an annual salary of 15K. Didn't Rupert Murdoch admit at Davos that Fox slanted its news in favor of the war-- in order to convince the American public?
And now Fox wants to complain their newscasts are being misinterpreted by others.
RFLMAO.

That's karmic justice, Bill. Deal with it.

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Clueless yet again
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Sep 28, 2007 12:45 AM   
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Good old Bill--he always manages to land on the sharpest point of the cutting edge of any given societal phenomenon. This is reminiscent of his recent badgering of some beauty pageant contestant regarding several supposedly illicit photos taken of her:

BO: "There was no girl-on-girl suggestiveness? Nobody wearing negligees?"

The quote isn't exact, of course, except for the negligee part. And if women in negligees (a word I haven't heard in decades) represent porn to BO; well, he's ahead of his time as usual.

But that was just incredibly dull-witted. His comments about the restaurant, on the other hand, by virtue of their colossal condesension, were every bit as blatantly racist as the abominable joke they fired Don Imus for. . .because Bill's diatribe, although the fact escapes him, was done, as he does most things, with considerable malice aforethought.

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Bill O’Reilly has a powerful inferiority complex
Posted by: DesertStone on Sep 28, 2007 5:59 AM   
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Pompous, arrogant morons always do, ironically. Poor guy, if he felt a little better about himself he might not feel so compelled to rip everyone else down.

Also can anyone explain how you profile Muslims? I can’t wrap my head around this one.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong
Posted by: opeluboy on Sep 28, 2007 4:33 PM   
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Unfortunately O'Connor starts this article with a falacy-laden title. O'Reilly is incapable of learning anything.

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Why eat there?
Posted by: No.mad on Sep 29, 2007 9:15 AM   
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"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City.

If there's no difference between this restaurant and any other in the city, why would anyone eat there as opposed to anywhere else in NYC? I've never been there, but I'm betting there's something special about Sylvia's, else they wouldn't be so successful.

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why no "black" cafe on every block?
Posted by: billwald on Sep 29, 2007 12:16 PM   
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When I was a kid one had to go to a "Chinatown" to get good Chinese chow. Now there is one in every neighborhood. 20 years ago there were zero Thai resteraunts and now every town has one. Same with Korean, Mexican, VietNamese . . . eateries. But it is a big deal if a city has a Black cafe with good food that white people can enter without worrying about safety - at least that is the way it is west of the Rockies.

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As sand through the hour glass these are the comments of lying...
Posted by: ekipnrut on Sep 29, 2007 3:26 PM   
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'Pretenders' (is that a rock group? :O)).....at least in some cases....Why?
150 or so comments...almost none from -as far as I can tell-blacks...
Hmmmmm?....Billy boy...who cares?....you people should be concerned about the 'Jena' nooses found at the New London Coast Guard Academy:

NewLondon

You think that there is any essential difference between the
CG cadets of 2007 and their counterpart predecessors at Annapolis,West Point or the AFA...who are now commissioned officers with their fingers on sub , silo or cruise launched nuke triggers?

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We live in a tv world
Posted by: macktan on Sep 29, 2007 6:13 PM   
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and too many whites own the cameras and the point of view. They seek what they know and for too many it's what they've seen on television. With few black anchors and hosts in main stream media, it's no wonder that most of this country forms its judgements based on the selective camera eye.

I remember when the Clarence Thomas hearings were televised and white America, sounding much like Bill O'Reilly, couldn't believe the number of educated, professional African Americans testifying before Congress. Who are these people, reporters asked repeatedly.

If you make friends with people from all cultures, you won't have to depend on television for all your information.

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O'reilly is bad for America
Posted by: grclary on Sep 30, 2007 1:15 PM   
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Was anyone really suprised to hear Bill's comments about black america and his dinner with Al Sharpton at Silvia's in Harlem. I think that anyone who is familiar with o'Reilly's schtick would agree that this is lite stuff for him. He is one of the most racist, classist m'fer's on tv and gives this kind of mentality a safe haven. Watching him in any context makes my blood boil...

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Bill's dust up in black and white
Posted by: Gerald on Oct 1, 2007 7:44 PM   
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Clearly Bill O'Riley doesn't (like Archie Bunker) know he's a racist bigot. At least George Wallace and all the rest understood what they were. Poor Bill.

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mw2007
Posted by: m2007 on Oct 2, 2007 8:01 AM   
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And O'Reilly is a racist bigot because he said there was absolutely no difference between a black run restaurant and any other restaurant, because he comes down on elected officials to be tougher on child predators, because he believes the gay parade in SF is offensive, and on and on. O'Reilly, although I don't always agree with him, has stood up for decency for a long time. Freedom of speech allows for conservatives that have moral character and values to voice their opinions just like everyone else without being labeled a racist bigot. Seems the only way to keep from being labeled as such is to keep quiet and not stand up for decency.

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Typical, believe me
Posted by: Urstrly on Oct 5, 2007 6:55 PM   
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No matter how self-righteous you want to get, O'Reilly represents a surprising number of white people who consider themselves neutral to open on the race issue. He's right about one thing: many white people in this nation are rarely in the social company of black people and find them exotic. They would be just as surprised to find Sylvia's patrons going about their mundane pleasures as O'Reilly was, and they'd consider themselves bold for going there. Ridiculing him is counterproductive, because it discourages people from taking the risks they need to take to get out of their self-contained worlds.

On Sundays, Harlem is full of Scandanavian tourists who go to black churches to hear the choir sing, then leave before the sermon. They think they are less racist than Americans for going there, when in fact their behavior is rude. White people are quite clueless about the lives of people of color because we don't have to know; we're dominant. We move where we please, eat where we choose, get outraged when someone suggests that maybe we didn't earn that spot in the freshman class or fancy law firm.

Listening to Clarence Thomas this week, you could hear the rage that white America engenders. I think he drew all the wrong conclusions about what it means and what must be done, but, finally, I saw it from his twisted point of view. Too bad he and O'Reilly can't have at it.

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Archie Bunker still Lives
Posted by: james2021 on Oct 6, 2007 4:49 AM   
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The Supreme racist was Archie Bunker and it is nice to know that he has been re-incarnated in the form of Bill O'Riley.

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O'reily and BUnker
Posted by: zorro on Oct 6, 2007 5:26 AM   
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fox is simply pandering to a racist audience--end of story. One must read between the lines--rhetoric is used to push buttons--its very deliberate. Fox knows what it's audience wants to hear. They say what they can (racism) without overtly waving their KKK badges and NRA cards. One should also remember O'reily, Mathews, or whoever-is just a figurehead--a puppet--like the office of the President of the US. A poster boy. Nothing more. His corporation, his network, his bosses, his listeners, and viewers--these are the racist ghouls. Of course O'reily is as well, but he is just the face of a nation. Oh, and Archie Bunker was hardly the supreme racist--he was just a fool, but in the end he always meant well--that show, his character was used to illumniate these issues, and debunk them. Archie Bunker was a brilliant educational series and it made racists look the fool.

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Ever notice these ignorant, repuke a-holes like O'Lielly and Limpbag
Posted by: Ellie1 on Oct 6, 2007 9:14 AM   
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live in FLORIDA, land of the hanging chad and cracker protesters stopping recounts? This is probably NOT a coincidence. Pray for a hurricane.

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i don't understand Kim
Posted by: davidg on Oct 18, 2007 7:00 PM   
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what is STR/+CHR? or whatever.....
naive maybe, but honestly inquiring

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