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Are Bush & Co. Gearing Up to Attack Iran?
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It is as though I'm back as an analyst at the CIA, trying to estimate the chances of an attack on Iran. The putative attacker, though, happens to be our own president.
It is precisely the kind of work we analysts used to do. And, while it is still a bit jarring to be turning our analytical tools on the U.S. leadership, it is by no means entirely new. For, of necessity, we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been doing that for almost six years now -- ever since 9/11, when "everything changed."
Of necessity? Yes, because, with very few exceptions, American journalists put their jobs at grave risk if they expose things like fraudulent wars.
The craft of CIA analysis was designed to be an all-source operation, meaning that we analysts were responsible -- and held accountable -- for assimilating information from all sources and coming to judgments on what it all meant. We used data of various kinds, from the most sophisticated technical collection platforms, to spies, to -- not least -- open media.
Here I must reveal a trade secret and risk puncturing the mystique of intelligence analysis. Generally speaking, 80 percent of the information one needs to form judgments on key intelligence targets or issues is available in open media. It helps to have been trained -- as my contemporaries and I had the good fortune to be trained -- by past masters of the discipline of media analysis, which began in a structured way in targeting Japanese and German media in the 1940s. But, truth be told, anyone with a high school education can do it. It is not rocket science.
Reporting from informants
The above is in no way intended to minimize the value of intelligence collection by CIA case officers recruiting and running clandestine agents. For, though small in percentage of the whole nine yards available to be analyzed, information from such sources can often make a crucial contribution. Consider, for example, the daring recruitment in mid-2002 of Saddam Hussein's foreign minister, Naji Sabri, who was successfully "turned" into working for the CIA and quickly established his credibility. Sabri told us there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
My former colleagues, perhaps a bit naively, were quite sure this would come as a welcome relief to President George W. Bush and his advisers. Instead, they were told that the White House had no further interest in reporting from Sabri; rather, that the issue was not really WMD, it was "regime change." (Don't feel embarrassed if you did not know this; although it is publicly available, our corporate-owned, war profiteering media has largely suppressed this key story.)
One former colleague, operations officer-par-excellence Robert Baer, now reports (in this week's Time) that, according to his sources, the Bush/Cheney administration is winding up for a strike on Iran; that the administration's plan to put Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on the terrorism list points in the direction of such a strike; and that the delusional "neoconservative" thinking that still guides White House policy concludes that such an attack would lead to the fall of the clerics and the rise of a more friendly Iran.
Hold on, it gets even worse: Baer's sources tell him that administration officials are thinking that "as long as we have bombers and missiles in the air, we will hit Iran's nuclear facilities."
Rove and Snow: Going wobbly?
Our VIPS colleague Phil Geraldi, writing in The American Conservative, earlier noted that in the past Karl Rove has served as a counterweight to Vice President Dick Cheney, and may have tried to put the brakes on Cheney's death wish to expand the Middle East quagmire to Iran. And former Pentagon officer, retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked shoulder to shoulder with some of the most devoted neocons just before the attack on Iraq, has put into words (on LewRockwell.com) speculation several of us have been indulging in with respect to Rove's departure.
In short, it seems possible that Rove, who is no one's dummy and would not want to be required to "spin" an unnecessary war on Iran, may have lost the battle with Cheney over the merits of a military strike on Iran, and only then decided -- or was urged -- to spend more time with his family. As for administration spokesperson Tony Snow, it seems equally possible that, before deciding he had to leave the White House to make more money, he concluded that his stomach could not withstand the challenge of conjuring up yet another Snow job to explain why Bush/Cheney needed to attack Iran. There is recent precedent for this kind of thing.
We now know that it was because former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld went wobbly on the Iraq war -- as can be seen in his Nov. 6, 2006, memo to the president -- that Rumsfeld was canned. (That was the day BEFORE the election.) In that memo, Rumsfeld called for a "major adjustment" in war policy. And so, Robert Gates, who had been waiting in the wings, was called to Crawford, given the test for malleability, hired, and dispatched by the president immediately to Iraq to weigh in heavily with the most senior U.S. generals (Abizaid and Casey). They had been saying, quite openly: Please, please, no more troops; a surge would simply give the Iraqis still more time and opportunity to diddle us while American troops continue to die. So much for the president always listening to his senior military commanders. And the bug of reality was infecting even Rumsfeld.
In his memo to the president, Rumsfeld suggested that U.S. generals "withdraw U.S. forces from vulnerable positions -- cities, patrolling, etc.," and move troops to Kuwait to serve as a Quick Reaction Force. Bush, of course, chose to do just the opposite.
Our domesticated press has not yet been able to put two and two together on this story, so it has been left to investigative reporters like Robert Parry to do so. In his Aug. 17 essay, "Rumsfeld's Mysterious Resignation," Parry closes with this:
The touchy secret about Rumsfeld's departure seems to have been that Bush didn't want the American people to know that one of the chief Iraq war architects had turned against the idea of an open-ended military commitment -- and that Bush had found himself with no choice but to oust Rumsfeld for his loss of faith in the neoconservative cause.Granted, it is speculative that similar factors, this time with respect to war planning for Iran, were at work in the decisions on the departure of Rove and Snow. Someone ought to ask them.
Surgical strikes first?
With the propaganda buildup we have seen so far on Iran, what seems most likely, at least initially, is an attack on Revolutionary Guard training facilities inside Iran. That can be done with cruise missiles. With some 20 targets already identified by anti-Iranian groups, there are enough assets already in place to do that job. But the "while-we're-at-it" neocon logic referred to above may well be applied after, or even in conjunction with, that kind of limited cruise missile attack.
Cheerleading in the domesticated media
Yes, it is happening again.
The lead editorial in yesterday's Washington Post regurgitates the allegations that Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps is "supplying the weapons that are killing a growing number of American soldiers in Iraq," that it is "waging war against the United States and trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible." Designating Iran a "specially designated global terrorist" organization, says the Post, "seems to be the least the United States should be doing, giving the soaring number of Iranian-sponsored bomb attacks in Iraq."
It's as though Dick Cheney and friends are again writing the Post's editorials. And not only that: arch-neocon James Woolsey told Lou Dobbs on Aug. 14 that the Nited States may have no choice but to bomb Iran in order to halt its nuclear weapons program. As Woolsey puts it, "I'm afraid within, well, at worst, a few months, [or] at best, a few years, they could have the bomb."
Woolsey, self-described "anchor of the Presbyterian wing of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs," has long been out in front plumbing for wars, like Iraq, that he and other neocons myopically see as being in Israel's, as well as America's, interest. On the evening of 9/11, Woolsey was already raising with Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings the notion that Iraq was a leading candidate for state sponsorship of the attacks. A day later, Woolsey told journalist James Fallows that, no matter who proved responsible for 9/11, the solution had to include removing Saddam Hussein because he was so likely to be involved the next time (sic).
The latest media hype is also rubbish. And Woolsey knows it. And so do reporters for the Washington Post, who are aware of, but have been forbidden to tell, a highly interesting story about waiting for a key National Intelligence Estimate -- as if for Godot.
The NIE that didn't bark
The latest National Intelligence Estimate regarding if and when Iran is likely to have the bomb has been ready since February. It has been sent back four times -- no doubt because its conclusions do not support what Cheney and Woolsey are telling the president and, through the domesticated press, telling the rest of us as well.
The conclusion of the most recent published NIE (early 2005) was that Iran probably could not acquire a nuclear weapon until "early to mid-next decade," a formula memorized and restated by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell at his confirmation hearing in February. One can safely assume that McConnell had been fully briefed on the first "final draft" of the new estimate, which has now been in limbo for half a year. And I would wager that the conclusions of the new estimate resemble those of the NIE of 2005 far too closely to suit Cheney.
It is a scandal that the congressional oversight committees have not been briefed on the conclusions of the new estimate, even though it cannot pass Cheney's smell test. For it is a safe bet it would give the lie to the claims of Cheney, Woolsey and other cheerleaders for war with Iran and provide powerful ammunition to those arguing for a more sensible approach to Iran.
But attacking Iran would be crazy
Despite the administration's warlike record, many Americans may still cling to the belief that attacking Iran won't happen because it would be crazy and that Bush is a lame-duck president who wouldn't dare undertake yet another reckless adventure when the last one went so badly.
But rationality and common sense have not exactly been the strong suit of this administration. Bush has placed himself in a neoconservative bubble that operates with its own false sense of reality. Worse still: as psychiatrist Justin Frank pointed out in the July 27 VIPS memo "Dangers of a Cornered Bush," updating his book, Bush on the Couch:
We are left with a president who cannot actually govern, because he is incapable of reasoned thought in coping with events outside his control, like those in the Middle East.
This makes it a monumental challenge -- as urgent as it is difficult -- not only to get him to stop the carnage in the Middle East, but also to prevent him from undertaking a new, perhaps even more disastrous adventure -- like going to war with Iran in order to embellish the image he so proudly created for himself after 9/11 as the commander in chief of 'the first war of the 21st century.'Scary.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 23, 2007 1:52 AM
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It will happen like this: we will go to sleep for another normal night. And we will wake up as usual and flip on some mind-numbing 24 hour news programme and there will be the following: "Major strikes against Iran occurred last night. At least 25 targets were hit by cruise missiles and US and British bombers. The President will give an address to the nation at nine this morning. Some reports say two bombers did not return to base."
And at nine: "My fellow Americans. Last night US and coalition pilots carried out strikes on Iran's nuclear production facilties. I took this decision with great pain, but our intelligence showed Iran was very close to developing nuclear weapons capability, and importantly, has on mnay occassions threatened to use this capability against other nations, including our good ally, Israel.
I know these developments are alarming to many, and I share your sadness, but keep this clear: we can not allow terrorists and terrorist supporting nations to prevail.
I would like to send out my admiration for our brave coalition forces fighting side-by-side in the Gulf. Our thoughts are with you and with your families. God bless America."
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 23, 2007 3:14 AM
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Another
Bushco
BU__! SH__!
WAR!
Count
Ghoulliani
From
Transformania
Rises from his grave
To
Slip into
The Black house
Bringing along with him!
His own brand of:
Torture chambers
Black armies
Concentration camps
And
War!
Intent on
Bleeding the last drop of Red Blood!
From the country
and
Pushing it further
into
The Twilight Zone
The last piece of the:
911
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 23, 2007 4:43 AM
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If our devil/president actually goes through with this and attacks Iran without the constitutionally mandated congressional approval, he should not only be forcably - and immediately removed from office, he should be handed over to the Hague as a war criminal. The hideous little thug has got to know that the American people will not stand for it (I hope...You never know with this country).
Does the disgusting little thug think that by invading the sovereign nation or Iran he will be able to boost his popularity as a "war president" as he did in March 2003? Does he honestly believe that the American people are THAT stupid??? Well, we're not!!! (I think....again, you never know with these people).
The trillion dollar shithammer is about to hit the fan, campers! This is gonna get REALLY interesting.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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Posted by: Francis on Aug 23, 2007 5:41 AM
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There is indeed a learning curve amongst the American public. Unfortunately it seems to be both retrograde in it's trajectory and all too brief. How many times must we sit idly by and be repeatedly struck on the head by the same hammer? And if we are as powerless now as we sense we are, doesn't this augur poorly for our attempts to confound continued future adventurism? What will stop these people from reprising their act in Syria? Saudi Arabia,
or will it, perhaps, be unnecessary as the ME is in process of collapsing into chaos as a result of what we have already done? What miracle, in short, will end the careers of these highly prolific and highly successful murderers and war profiteers? Where, exactly, is the deux in this machina?
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Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Aug 23, 2007 5:42 AM
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 23, 2007 5:51 AM
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Never mind the millions killed during the war.
Since when has the RIGHT been concerned about the deaths of a few million people? Aggression and militarism always appeal to some people, that’s the way they conduct their own lives. Might makes right and they’ve got the money to prove it. Might does not make Right. The powerful oppressing the weak does not make Right. We all know that, but the Militaristic Plutocracy that rules America has a different point of view, and most of the wealth and power in America. And they use that wealth and power to dictate what we hear and see on TV. They have their tentacles into government, media and religion. That’s called control.
Some Americans are unable to see they are being controlled, some welcome control as long as it suits their personality, but there are others who resent being controlled by people who don’t care if our families starve to death. Both of our political parties have the used the bugaboo of socialism/communism and now terrorism to feed the Military Industrial Complex, owned by our Militaristic Plutocracy. That’s how our stupid and corrupt economic system and government works, everything else is fluff.
Maybe we’ll never be free of somebody’s control, but shouldn’t we at least try to understand that someone IS controlling us, and take just a moment to think for ourselves.
War is sometimes inevitable, but wars of aggression as our reason to be, is insane.
What we should have learned from Viet Nam is to question our leaders whenever they start beating the war drums. They don’t represent the people, and they lie, lie, lie.
Of all the presidential candidates, Dennis Kucinich is the least favored by our Militaristic Plutocracy.
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Posted by: bob t on Aug 23, 2007 6:26 AM
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Unless America wakes up and/or we bloggers and posters do all that we can to raise holy hell Baby Bush will continue to make war. And no matter what we bloggers/posters do if America doesn't wake up the Neocon Repub religious right wingers will continue on their path of death for profits and for political power and domination and dominion over the lives of all of us.
Damn the religious right, as they really are the religious wrong. There is nothing right or righteous about their death agenda. They are not one bit pro-life, only pro-death for political power and dominion over the lives of others. And that includes my religion. I know I've said this a hundred times before but if we have any chance of stopping this and the other seven wars Bush and his religious right have planned then we better point fingers and name names.
I hate to use their terminology but we have to become the tip of the spear because being nice, diplomatic, understanding and calm and gentlemanly is getting us nowhere. And in the final analysis may well get us nowhere because Rove/Bushco and the criminal Bush family have all of us by the throat. He/they the blind, lock step, neocon repubs have formed a powerful alliance of right wing religions and corporatocracy.
To use God for their own self serving political ambitions is an abomination unto God and man.
America is truly a badly fractured/deeply divided country and is being killed off for the right wingers agenda of death for all who oppose them, including all of us.
The death agenda of the right wing religions is truly shocking., that any religion could support these death-agenda thinkers is beyond belief.
I have been radicalized and scandalized by my religion, Catholicism, and my government, which obviously is no longer my government and has not been for a long time.
War and killing serves no one, least of all God, IMO. Let the religious warriors fight it out among themselves somewhere on an abandoned island out in the middle of nowhere and without nu-ku-ler weapons, only hand to hand combat will be allowed. They will not be allowed to contaminate the world with their effluvia/ flotsam and jetsam/ or their garbage mentality.
So I make a hopeful thought, some fantasy in service of ones momentary peace of mind is to be allowed in times of desperation. A temporary respite, as it were/was/is.
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Posted by: wmGreybeard on Aug 23, 2007 6:32 AM
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Thanks Lad & Tom!
Keep on telling it like it is.
wmGreybeard
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Aug 23, 2007 7:11 AM
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AEI, Heritage Foundaation, CATO, Weekly Standard, all the pro-war pundits that dominated the so-called liberal media such as NYT, WashingtonPost et al, continue to stay in business. How come? All these institutes, and news media have been blatantly wrong on Iraq invasion, yet these same organizations are still the "leading experts"...
Are Amerikans that dumb? What a country!
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Posted by: JSquercia on Aug 23, 2007 7:20 AM
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Hoping they would place this gang of muderous thugs under arrest is too much to hope for but in a perfect world
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Posted by: caru on Aug 23, 2007 7:40 AM
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Posted by: MindyB on Aug 23, 2007 7:49 AM
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C'mon!! we can't be that stupid and brain dead, can we???
Those elected representatives who are even considering the lies and fabrications on Iran should be impeached along with the president and vp!
If this country lifts a finger against Iran, after the Great Iraq Deception, we should be fair game to anybody, and I'll be on the welcoming committee.
The media needs to stop hiping everyone up with false facts about Iran, nobody knows for sure what is up because we've refused to actually find out from them!
I am so aghast, I can't even see straight, this is absolutely ridiculous.
This needs to stop now!
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Aug 23, 2007 8:54 AM
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Posted by: sidguppy on Aug 23, 2007 9:33 AM
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anyone still thinking that the current war in irak is a 'fumble" or a "screw-up' needs a reality-check or wake up call and fast.
like this next war, the attack on Iran, the current wars are going exactly as planned!
there are enough US casualities to rile the rightwing into dominion-like "patriotism", keep the dumb sheeples into "hating ragheads/terrists" and ofcourse the spineless jellyfish in both congress and house roll over time and again when Bush or Cheney really want them too
follow the money, people: it's easy: the Pentagon, halliburton and several others are making BILLIONS with this war and the next one; as long as the sheeples are scared of every potential towelheaded shadow under the table nobody will seriously protest against more money on weaponry, more guns, more bombs, more death, especially when the dead occur half a world away
unfortunately our own spineless jellyfish in Europe are also hipdeep in it, most bend over for any monkey or warmonger in the white House, cause they're bought and owned by the same money as the politician parasites in the US.
they (here and over there) don't change their bent on destruction course, not even when millions hit the streets.
the only thing that will stop them in the end is armed revolt; to hunt down every single corporate business creep and politician and rope em to the lampposts. Mussolini-style, like in Italy '44.
remember they're mostly old men, they don't give a shit what's going to happen to planet earth or life on it; they want their megalomaniac kicks and they want them now
or did any of you forget what good ol' Bush answered when early in his reign some reporter had the nerve to ask him how history would judge him?
"history? we will all be dead"
.......says it all, I'm afraid.
better take em out, and fast; before they take all of us out and the whole planet too as an add-on
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 23, 2007 9:37 AM
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Does the Government want Iran? Sure, because America's oil industry wants Iranian oil. Our Government runs on oil. Oil and back stabbing,double dealing,crossed finger oaths not worth the breath it takes to say yes.
This governance is corrupt. This governance is illegal. This governance is un-constitutional. It is the enemy of the People.
It's time to Think Outside the System
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 23, 2007 10:01 AM
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From the negative and indifferent responses to my idea, I've concluded that if Bush wanted to, he could bomb Iran, Syria and North Korea simultaneously without consequences.
In sum, without a draft to inspire ACTIVE antiwar protest, America has become a nation of self-centered sheep deserving of rightwing Republican rule.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: NumberSix on Aug 23, 2007 11:20 AM
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Iraq = Sudetenland
Iran = Poland
Now is this making sense?
Wake me when the Allies come.....
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 23, 2007 1:54 PM
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If the Chimp strikes Iran, it'll be her fault for taking Impeachment off the table. Period. After her, it's the soldier-cult's fault for being good soldiers instead of warriors who know better.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Aug 23, 2007 3:46 PM
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We`re witnessing on a daily basis the atrocities against us.The
disregard of the "Constitution","Bill of Rights",ect. in the name of "PROTECTION"!!!!! .........huh?....what the fuck!!!!!!!
However this man...this so called leader of the "free world" got elected to the position of President of the USA...is in itself a complete mystery to me.A perfect example of what money and power can achive...where ever and whenever it desires.
Here is the most incompetent person we`ve ever known to occupy the White House.The same House that is to signify Truth,Freedom,Honor,Wisdom,and a house that reflects "hope" to other countries with corrupt regimes!! Well....
If these last two Presidential elections don`t underline the word..."INSIGNIFICANT"...to the office of "commander in chief" of my country....I`ll be a freekin monkeys uncle!!!
Lets get it together people!!!!!!
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Posted by: eosrk on Aug 23, 2007 4:39 PM
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Then came the Mrs. Plame situation, which from what I understand within the pages of the UCMJ, compromising an agents' identity is treason, punishable under death, or life in prison, and for some odd reason, this strict law dosen't apply to any Capitol Hill officals!
As for the situation of that Seal Team ambushed in Afghanististan, I seriously question that one too, because them militants didn't just pop up on them without knowing their whereabouts beforehand, which also calls for an investigation at ALL LEVELS OF THE US GOVERMENT, starting with some former officals!!!
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Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 23, 2007 5:31 PM
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The lead editorial in yesterday's Washington Post regurgitates the allegations that Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps is "supplying the weapons that are killing a growing number of American soldiers in Iraq," that it is "waging war against the United States and trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible."
Funny. I thought that Bush and his cast of clowns in Washington were trying to kill as many American soldiers as possible. Just as there was during the Vietnam War, there has arisen an anti-war veterans movement, which is determined to educate would-be recruits about the real story behind enlistment.
So I wonder - who are they planning to send into Iran? Suddenly, there aren't too many takers. And after Iran, what's next? Shall we go back to Panama, or Costa Rica? I can just imagine the conversation in the Oval Office; "Hey, let's roll the dice and try a totally new country. Who's going to stop us?" Who, indeed.
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Posted by: Hal on Aug 23, 2007 6:40 PM
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McGovern seems a decent sort but his take on Bush smacks of pure limited hangout.
Puppet rodeo clown GW Bush & Co was never outside a “neoconservative bubble” . And the neo-con front itself is hardly a “false sense of reality” but a cover for the decades old sting that has cooked the nation from well before 911 COVER-UP to phony “war on terror” at public cost for private blood money profits.
With at least a trillion dollars to be spent on “war on terror” against CIA created “Al-Qaeda” (among other phony “enemies”) and over $2 trillion “missing” from the Pentagon with trillions more at stake for the U.S. petrodollar monopoly – there can be small doubt where this preemptive war of conquest was going.
The bestial parasite mob that runs Fascist Amerika is the prime “reality” that drives a Washington-MSM carny show and its faux “leftwing” press. All this for another dirty and criminal bloodbath in the pocket of organized corporate crime.
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Posted by: Greensleaves on Aug 28, 2007 5:02 PM
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As an after thought to finish the comments, I added something about Americans having to be careful because there was probably enough time left before the next election for Bush to talk up going to war in Iran.
After I finished those comments, I went browsing for other stories and found this one about the possibility of Bush planning to go to war with Iran. Honestly, I must have my finger on the pulse of the cosmic universe or be a genius or something.
But I hope we are all completely wrong about this. I'm a Canadian (I'm sure you guessed with the ($C) in the comment title?), and since Canadians are next door neighbours, we don't want the U.S. making any more enemies than it already has around the world. It doesn't even treat its friends well.
Canadians thought we would be thanked when the U.S. was thanking those countries who had helped with the rescue efforts after September 11th. You may not have noticed that we were purposely missed, but Canadians certainly did. Not only were people and supplies sent, many more went voluntarily to see how they could help.
Which country had to take on the risk of landing all those planes which should have landed in the U.S., many of which were filled with Americans, when the U.S. closed its airspace. Who gave Americans and others who were stranded things to eat and drink and found them somewhere to sleep (often in people's homes)? Individual Americans were very grateful, but Canada's thank you from Bush (the official one) came two years later. Maybe word got out that Canadians thought the "freedom fry" anti-French antics south of the border were an outrageously stupid revenge because France did not support the Iraq war.
But wait a second, if American citizens or country friends are traitors for speaking their mind, maybe Canada is next on the list to be bombed and not Iran. But not to worry, maybe the Americans who were billeted with Canadian families after the planes were stranded in Canada will give us a heads up if Toronto is going to be bombed some night instead of Tehran. Then we can all drive up north and watch the Northern Lights or the ice cap melt, eh?
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Posted by: Mycos on Sep 1, 2007 2:19 AM
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Yes, despite other fascinating facts such as how the 9/11 event was eerily foretold, described as being the kind of event that was going to be required to change public opinion from that of one expecting a "peace dividend" in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, how that money was being earmarked as coming out of the military budget. Tell him how this was considered a disaster as far as the arms (aerospace) industry and the prominent Likud-niks you reference, and who saw the military-strategic position Israel had long enjoyed evaporating before their eyes. Tell him that there was little they could do about it in 92-93 when Cheney and Wolfowitz set their ideas to paper, and in a last ditch attempt to save themselves from obscurity aligned themselves with media insiders Kristol and Kagan, form PNAC, and Lo and Behold, hire the rest of the the PNAC wholesale immediately upon Bush's inauguration. Tell him how Cheney's election of himself as VP, the hiring of Rumsfeld, Libby, Wolfowitz, Podhoertz, Armitage, Perle, Feith, etc., etc, was not a mere coincidence....that in fact PNAC = Neocon, and that this is the group whose influence on American policy is possibly greater than that of Congress, the Senate, and The Supreme Court combined.
I fear young Holland has offhandedly equated PNAC with a the dozens of other silly 9/11 conspiracy theories that cannot withstand a second of critical analysis. This is not one of them of course. Please help advance his career by dropping him a line...perhaps a note coming from a source with a higher profile (thus to his sort, more credibility) than myself.... a person who remains unknown, yet who does indeed possess the skill you speak of earlier in the article when discussing the ability to pick and choose those media stories that have substance.
Thank you. You do the world a great favor with this.
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