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Disney Sings Dollars and Racism with 'Song of the South'
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The film was its first real live action film. It conjured up the old racially soothing images of cotton specked fields, white columned plantation mansions, mint juleps, and happy-go-lucky, banjo strumming, and singing blacks. At the center of this falsified, but nostalgic, celluloid view of the Old plantation South was Uncle Remus.
Veteran black actor James Baskett played Remus. He was always kindly, benevolent, and enthralled young whites with an endless storehouse of racially skewed black folktales. Unfortunately, Baskett didn't get to revel in his own tour de force performance at the opening night gala. No hotel within proximity to the theater would rent him a room. Uncle Remus nee Basket may have been a beloved, cherished figure in Disney's mock plantation South film, but in the real world of then rigidly Jim Crow Atlanta, Baskett was anything but beloved.
Song of the South went on to score big at the box office. Down through the years it spawned a genre of popular kid songs that generations of school children (including this writer) hummed and whistled, and delighted in the antics of folk icons Brer Rabbit, Brer Fox and Brer Bear.
GOP presidential contenders Mitt Romney and John McCain took much heat when they innocently used the term tar baby to describe troubled situations. Both sweated through profuse apologies and vowed that they had no racial intent in using the term. Tar baby was one of Uncle Remus's wildly popular tales in the movie. It has been roundly denounced as a derogatory term for blacks.
Despite the vile and offensive stereotypes, and phony racial image of the South, tens of thousands of Song of the South buffs pounded Disney last year in a website, an online petition, and letters to re-release the film on home video and DVD.
Disney executives begged off, explaining that without the proper context a release could be misinterpreted. That was a polite way of saying that there is no way that such a racially anachronistic film loaded with racially demeaning images and characters can be peddled without telling how and why the images and message are racially insulting today. In those days though the stereotypes were considered tame and acceptable.
The Disney announcement drew mild applause from those that object to the offensive racial stereotypes. But hold the cheers. Song of the South has never stopped making money for Disney. It's been a popular sale item on video and laserdisc in Britain, Hong Kong, Spain, France, Germany, as well as Italy where the title is translated as "The Stories of Uncle Tom."
The British even re-released Song in 2000. Out-of-print international copies of the film reportedly command upwards of $100 at on-line sales. In the United States Song of the South never had a swan song. It is readily available for sale on book and record sets. There would be no objection to the continued commercial pump of Song of the South if the clamor for it was merely collector's nostalgia, scholarly interest in black folktales, or to use the film as a learning tool to warn students of the social and psychic damage racial stereotypes have wreaked.
But Disney executives almost certainly know that the copies of Song of the South that are sold contain not a whisper of the "appropriate context" they claim the studio is concerned should be in the film before re-releasing it. The dangle of even bigger dollars from official video sales may ultimately prove too tempting for Disney to pass up, with or without the appropriate context. In a statement in March Disney President and CEO Bob Iger dropped a strong hint that re-release may well be in the cards in the near future. Iger's statement was a trial balloon to see what if any public reaction there is to that prospect.
So far there's been virtually none. The NAACP and other civil rights groups have taken no position on it. That's a good sign for Disney. The protest if any, they're banking would be scattered, weak, and short-lived. If that's the case, then there'll be no need to provide the appropriate context for the film. It would be just a straight dollar and cents business deal.
In the coming months, the thousands that hunger for and still delight in the Old South imagery of blacks singing, dancing, telling homespun tales, and who are eternally deferential to whites will continue to prod Disney to get the film back on the video market shelves. Disney's waffling on whether to release or not shows they are listening, and listening closely. Racial stereotypes have always been one of America's most timeless and lucrative commodities. Ask Don Imus. Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah anyone?
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Posted by: hole11 on May 8, 2007 11:04 PM
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I am so glad someone can still make money out of a song that should be public domain by now. Why don't you talk about real issues?
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Posted by: geege on May 9, 2007 4:28 AM
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Posted by: dauphin534 on May 9, 2007 6:45 AM
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even if europeans and collectors can find it on DVD(folks that definitely understand the context), disney has been hiding this film existense from the mainstream american public for 20 years. that's like whitewashing history and pretending that everyone, including disney, has always been colorblind. that's even worse than making the film in the first place. So
rather than try to protest and essentially ban a piece of art (that's what this is, even if you don't like the movie), let's just continue to spread the word about the film when it is released. maybe once people see it, they will learn something new about disney: their history isn't so wholesome and colorblind as they would have us believe today.
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Posted by: dauphin534 on May 9, 2007 6:56 AM
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like i said before, put that effort not in an attempt to protest or blindly censor this stuff, but use it to educate the public about the role the big corporations have always had in perpetuating stereotypes. like it or not, this film is a part of our history. once people start to understand that history, they might even start to see the connection between disney then and record companies now (in their promotion of gangsta rap).
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Posted by: overseas on May 9, 2007 7:10 AM
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on May 9, 2007 7:17 AM
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I am amazed that this movie is still not only being shown, but still has its 4 star rating. I could not continue to watch and turned it off after about 10 minutes. It's not only blacks who continue to be the victims of American culture. In the case of "Breakfast at Tiffany's" the frenzied portrayal of someone from a different country as foolish and almost less than human is overt and ugly.
On the other hand, I remember seeing "Song of the South" as a child, and my parents read the Uncle Remus tales to me often. I'm not sure what to think about those stories now. My parents were inclusve, accepting of all races and cultures, and believed in diversity of every kind. I never thought of the tar baby as a racial term until very recently; rather I thought of it as a metaphor for getting oneself into a situation that was impossible to get out of. In fact, all of the stories had morals and messages - and were fun to read and listen to. Of course, my mother never used a fake "black" accent when she read them, and I didn't associate them with any race. They were about animals who could talk and relationships among these animals.
As far as the movie "Song of the South" is concerned, it did not generate any kind of anti-black sentiment in me, nor did I come to believe that black people were inferior as a result of the movie. This is probably because I had no racial bigotry built in, and it just never occurred to me. It's unfortunate that our society has such a history of racial discrimination and oppression. Otherwise, the Uncle Remus stories might have been depicted in a different way, without the racial stereotypes, glorification of the anti-bellum south, and implicit sanctioning of white supremacy.
Perhaps this is not enough, and maybe the stories themselves are racially loaded and a blot on our history. I haven't read or heard them for years, so it's possible I remember them with the mind of a child rather than a rational adult.
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Posted by: ahilgart on May 9, 2007 8:50 AM
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And the movie is hardly racist.
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Posted by: HomerScarborough on May 9, 2007 9:37 AM
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I grew up with Song of the South, and I loved it as a child. If you have never seen it, you shouldn't be criticizing it. If you want a copy, you can get it on Ebay on either DVD or video tape for around $20.00. Your kids will love it, and neither you or them will be tainted by it. I promise!
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Posted by: lessbread on May 9, 2007 10:29 AM
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If this film was the only image of African-Americans available, there might be something to the complaint, but it's not. There are far worse depictions that are far more readily available.
If it's a question of how this film would impact on the consciousness of children, I couldn't say. I do know that for myself as a child back in the 1970's I picked up more racism from the adults that were around me than I did from seeing excerpts of Song of the South on the Walt Disney Show.
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Posted by: Pintado_Petrel on May 9, 2007 12:40 PM
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That was the whole point of the story! Br'er Rabbit did something that in our culture (and the west african culture from where the story originated) is taboo, and he paid for it. Br'er Fox was irritated at Br'er Rabbit for his bad behaviour, and set a trap for him. Br'er Rabbit was rude, abusive, and ultimately violent, and for all his trouble found himself completely bound up by the sticky tar. Had he been polite, or not violent, Br'er Fox would never have taught him a lesson.
The tar baby is black. Tar itself is black, ergo a tar doll or mannequin (the meaning of "baby" in this story) will be black. The fact that the tar baby is black is completely irrelevant to the story. The tar baby could have been made out of turpentine gum, pine tar, molasses, or honey, and Br'er Rabbit would have been trapped in the same way. Winnie the Pooh got trapped in a honey pot--but hey, isn't a honey pot a deragatory phrase for a woman? Is Winnie the Pooh sexist? Sure, in the same way a tar baby is racist.
As far as the rest of Song of the South, Disney wanted to turn the stories of Uncle Remus into a movie, and wrote the story loosely around the exploits of Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Bear. From Wiki:
"Walt Disney had long wanted to make a film based on the Uncle Remus storybook, but it wasn't until the mid-1940s that he had found a way to give the stories an adequate film equivalent, in scope and fidelity. "I always felt that Uncle Remus should be played by a living person," Disney is quoted as saying, "as should also the young boy to whom Harris' old Negro philosopher relates his vivid stories of the Briar Patch."
In other words, we are looking through the lens of history and changing opinions at an attempt to bring a filmmaker's favourite stories to life. Don't attempt to ascribe racist motivations to something that was clearly not the intention of the filmmaker.
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From www.dvrepublic.com
Walt Disney's Racist Tirades
Posted | November 26, 2006 07:59 PM
In "Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination," out this month from Knopf, biographer Neal Gabler reveals that Disney used racial epithets referring to African-Americans and called an Italian band heard in the animated classic "Pinocchio" a "bunch of garlic eaters."
When animator David Swift told him he was moving to Columbia Pictures, "Walt called him into the office, feigned a Yiddish accent, and said, 'OK, Davy boy, off you go to work with those Jews. It's where you belong, with those Jews.' " When Disney released "Three Little Pigs" in the 1930s, the American Jewish Congress bitterly complained that it featured a wolf as a Jewish peddler - a depiction "so vile, revolting and unnecessary as to constitute a direct affront to the Jews."
A nazi sympathizer ..virulently anti labor..who sold colleagues out (that means wrecked careers) to HUAC
From www.jinxmagazine.com:
Walt saw himself as a father figure to the animators, whom he referred to as "his boys." Once Walt even proudly commented to an animator that the studio ran "on a kind of Jesus Christ communism."
This statement becomes ironic when one learns how Walt Disney intertwined his feelings of betrayal, his reactionary vengeance and his patriotic "duty" to inform the FBI of communist activity in Hollywood, especially in his studio. Before Walt started this "war," he opposed the entry of the U.S. into World War II as one of Hollywood's most active prewar isolationists. Walt regularly attended American Nazi Party (Enemy of Jinx, 1933) meetings before America entered the war, and even considered hiring Leni Riefenstahl as a filmmaker after Kristallnacht, when no other studio would touch her. {SWASTIKA MUSIC NOTES] ...... In 1940, among growing antiCommunist sentiments, the FBI made Walt Disney an official informant, and would later promote him to Special Agent in Charge.....
For years, Walt refused to cooperate with the union, stung by this betrayal of "his family." Things escalated in early 1941, when the Guild animators went on strike. Walt blamed the Communist Party USA for the strike, which lasted for months. ...Finally, Walt's antiunion allies' ties to organized crime caused him to concede to the terms of the strike, for fear of damage to the studio's reputation. Even afterwards, Walt publicly described the strike as having been "communistically inspired and led" and fired the strike leaders. Walt helped increase the House Un-American Committee's presence in Hollywood and spent years personally blacklisting every Disney animator in the Guild and many a professional adversary, all in the name of opposing Communism.
(Ya'll still lickin' some of dat 'maple syrup' nostalgia out de butt of Disney Inc??..something to pour on dem Jemima hot cakes)
Remember the old Walt Disney TV show? Tommorow Land,
Adventure Land, etc....Ummm..How 'bout Peenemunde Land ?
That was where thousands of slave laborers died working in this Nazi V-2 assembly plant..the Director of which was nazi wunderkind Wernher Von Braun...who , snatched up by US military intel , came to live and prosper in USA...hosting Tomorrow Land for Disney in his spare time...
Warner Brothers..Disney the Corporation.. MGM..like most of 'Hollywood' are (were) the unrivalled promulgators of racist stereotypes.
Think this 'Song' is so innocuous...tell you what..make up some goofy animated 'feel good' distortion of Auschwitz,
jews singin' in the showers..knee slappin' yiddish humor...Oy Vey!! Take that over to the jewish community...show that shit to their kids.. let me know how that works out...if you're able to..
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Posted by: mobile68 on May 9, 2007 6:03 PM
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Hip Hop Profanity, Misogyny and Violence: Blame the Manufacturer
By Glen Ford, Black Agenda Report. Posted May 7, 2007.
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So for apologists of don imus and those of his ilk, continue to put a black face on what's wrong with this society all you want, but it goes back to who controls the media and for how many years? The color of the execs who run and own the media powerhouses has not changed in 60+ years and won't change anytime soon. Why you think that oprah and bill cosby won't really blame who is behind of what's wrong with black amerikkka? They know who is buttering their bread.
Thank you ekrinput for your post (Disney was a... posted by: ekipnrut on May 9, 2007), it needed to be said. I'm sick of these white (x-tians and jews) people marginalizing the blacks suffering from racism like oh it's just a cold get over it, but when something is said about the jews, you see instant firings, freedom of speech is not even discussed, months of coverage of what was said about the jews, laws put into place to not only censor any discussion about the jews but jail time is given automatically.
It's like they were the only people to have suffered. They control the legal, banking, and entertainment industries, yet they use the holocaust as a crutch more than blacks use slavery as a crutch. Then instead of trying to make the world a better place so what happen to them would not happen again, they unleash their frustrations on the Palenstians by taking their land, or constantly putting out this propaganda about black people, which neither group of people has never attacked them for any reason.
White people need a heavy dose of that bitter pill called racism given to them in an IV so they can feel the full effect of what they unjustifiably dish out to people of color on a daily basis. It's almost like it's a religion for most of them to be racist. The thought for them of being a minority group within a society, or being just one white in a group of people of color frightens most white people to no end. That's why they can never comprehend what it like to be a person of color in this world. Human beings have the capacity to change, but can or will white people change if need to?
Like religion, you have to keep drumming the racism in the heads of the people that you want on your side by producing artifacts, music, and movies that people will buy to support that movement.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on May 9, 2007 8:40 PM
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I loved Gone with the Wind.
I loved Huckelberry Finn.
None of these works of art are from our time. If we are going to ban all art that is politically outdated-there will not be much left from the past.
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Posted by: Alan in CA on May 9, 2007 11:40 PM
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I am unaware of any alternative that would express the sense of, for instance, "Iraq is George Bush's tar baby." Of course it means that having foolishly attacked Iraq, GWB is trapped--he can't get away from it. It doesn't mean it was OK for GWB to attack Iraq because its residents are not "white."
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Posted by: rwday@cox.net on May 10, 2007 3:11 AM
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BTW, I saw Song of the South in theaters when it was re-released sometime in the 60's. I was probably 8-10 years old and I had enough sense to realize that the movie was historical and fantasy and not representative of real black people. And that was in a time and place where the only black people I knew were actual Africans - children of foreign students in my extremely white college hometown, and not many of them. Today, most kids live in more integrated communities, have many relatively positive black role models on TV and in movies and they're going to know that the portrayals in Song aren't accurate.
Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 10, 2007 3:17 AM
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As Randy from American Idol said, sometimes you have to let the classics be classics, and not mess with them. Of course, 50 years from now, old AI videos will be banned because Randy is a negative stereotype. We can't have our grandchildren thinking that all black singing competition judges talk like pimps.
It's interesting to think where this slippery slope could lead. Should we ban Fiddler on the Roof because it portrays Jewish stereotypes, and romanticizes persecution? Should we ban "Sanford and Son" and keep the "Cosby Show"? We'll all die of boredom, but when aliens visit our dead planet, at least they'll think we were a PC civilization.
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Paul Reuben wrote, “Joel Chandler Harris was a white man, born of poor parents, who at thirteen left home and became an apprentice to Joseph Addison Turner, a newspaper publisher and plantation owner. It is at this plantation, Turnwold, that Harris first heard the black folktales that were to make him famous.” In Mother Tongue, Bill Bryson describes Harris as a “painfully shy newsman” who had a pronounced stammer and was very self-conscious about his illegitimate birth.
H. L. Mencken held a less than favorable view of Harris. He wrote: "Once upon a time a Georgian printed a couple of books that attracted notice, but immediately it turned out that he was little more than an amanuensis for the local blacks--that his works were really the products, not of white Georgia, but of black Georgia. Writing afterward as a white man, he swiftly subsided into the fifth rank." [from The Sahara of the Bozart]
Among Black American writers, Harris is a highly polarizing figure. Alice Walker accused Harris of "stealing a good part of my heritage" in a searing essay called "Uncle Remus, No Friend of Mine." Toni Morrison wrote a novel called "Tar Baby" based on the folktale recorded by Harris. In interviews, she has claimed she learned the story from family, and owes no debt to Harris. Black folklorist Julius Lester holds a somewhat kinder view of Harris. He sees the Uncle Remus stories as important records of Black Folklore, and has rewritten many of the Harris' stories in an effort to elevate the subversive elements over the racist ones.
Apart from Uncle Remus, Harris wrote several other collections of stories depicting rural life in Georgia.
In 1946, the Walt Disney Company produced a film based on Harris's work, called Song of the South. While critically and commercially successful during its original release and re-releases, the fear of controversy has kept the film from North American release on home video.
As for Mencken?... From Wikipedia:
Mencken, in his legendary salvo against Southern American culture, "The Sahara of the Bozart" ("Bozart" being a mock misspelling of "Beaux-Arts"), argued that the whole Confederate region fell into cultureless savagery and backwardness after the Civil War— with the exception of the African-American community. In what was an audacious (and seriously intended) argument, Mencken claimed Southern blacks were actually the heirs and descendants of the talented aristocrats— by way of African-American mistresses of Caucasian men. Further Mencken opined that this community was the only site of cultural vitality or activity whatsoever, in spite of being hindered by the barbaric oppression of a culture that condoned and enforced Jim Crow laws and still tacitly sanctioned lynching.
The most authoritative work on this subject is Charles Scruggs' book, The Sage in Harlem — a survey of Mencken's influence on and support of African-American intellectuals. Mencken, as the editor and main creative force behind The American Mercury magazine, was responsible for publishing more black authors than any other publication of its stature —certainly more than any other white dominated publication. The articles by African-Americans ranged from a Pullman Porter's account of life in that occupation to sophisticated articles by important black thinkers.
My view of Mencken?? Well the entirety of Mencken's expressed relationship with Blacks is indeed problematic in some respects. (:o) to the cognoscenti) But unlike the plagiarizing charlatan Chandler...he talked HIS talk walked HIS walk providing apparently nontrivial alliance with- not 'hand out' to- the Black community. So I must respect that.
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Das Gulfene Baumchen (The Golden Flower Tree) is a short anti-Semitic cartoon produced in the Nazi era.
The plot is about a "golden tree" somewhere in the woods where various birds and animals (reminiscent of the one in Disneys Snow White) live. However a Jew sneaks through the forest and robs the tree of its leaves.
The animation seems to mimic both Disney and Fleisher styles.
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Es Leuchten die Stern
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Es Leuchten die Sterne "The Stars are Shining" is an anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda film that mixes animation and live action footage.
The film starts out showing a girl looking through a telescope watching a comet fly through space. When the comet hits the Earth the picture dissolves into a map of Germany with the star of David and Jewish caricatures superimposed on it, then switches to live action footage, apparently from Der Ewige Jude.
What follows then is a series of short segments in which the "flying Jews" fly through and, implicitly, corrupt various aspects of German life: the theatre, a bank, art, industry, alternating with line drawn Jewish caricatures and live action footage.
The cartoon vividly illustrates the Nazi attitude toward the Jews as "pests" who were ruining the German culture and economy.
Its relationship to a 1938 German drama of the same name, if any, is unclear.
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In the summer of 1944 the Nazi government perpetrated a hoax against the Danish Red Cross by taking them on a tour of the Theresienstadt concentration camp in the Sudetenland, occupied Czechoslavakia. They fixed up and cleaned the camp prior to arrival and arranged cultural activities to give the appearance of a happy, industrious community. They even sent a considerable part of its population to their deaths in Auschwitz to cover up the overpopulation of the camp.The gimmick was so successful that the Nazis attempted to expand on it by having Kurt Gerron, a Jewish actor/director, make a short film about the camp to assure audiences that the inmates kept there were not being abused. In return they promised that both he and his family would live. Shortly after he finished shooting the film, however, both he and his family were "evacuated" to Auschwitz were they were gassed upon arrival.
The footage that Gerron shot was intended to be edited into a film called either Theresienstadt. Ein Dokumentarfilm aus dem jüdischen Siedlungsgebiet (Terezin: A Documentary Film of the Jewish Resettlement) or Der Fuhrer schenkt den Juden ein stadt (The Fuhrer Gives the Jews a City) however the progress of the war in that period (late 1944 to early 1945) made that impossible, so the scenes were used independently. Only about 20 minutes of the film survives.
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Ah yes..a benevolent Fuhrer facilitates Jewish Resettlement by
giving them an entire city!!!..And we have the progeny of the protective womb of slavery schooled in the balm of denial, the joys of bound to backfire eventual self hate and the wondrous escapism of fantasy preoccupation...Oh...BTW go to Wikipedia..search (within the site) "Theresienstadt" the second result should be Theresienstadt(film)....at the bottom of the
article there is a YouTube link to the actual remaining footage....what you see there is a gross distortion...'Song' is a
gross distortion...those who can see this in only one are racists,those who can see this in neither are are even more the fool.
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There were those of you who thought the words of Trent Lott didn't matter, a few years ago, and look who's leading this country, today. We have a member of Congress, running for president, who fraternizes with hate groups on a regular basis. We have local judiciary who belong to hate groups. We have organizatons and individuals, whom the media now consider to be "experts", who funnel money to hate groups and set policy in Washington.
We have an atomsphere of hatred, in the media, that people accept as mainstream. Talk shows regularly have religious cult leaders, as their regular guests, who expouse the most vicious types of bigotry and they are held out as being the "right type of Christians".
We still have stereotypical images of people of color on the news, that the majority of White America still believes represents the norm, because they know their media personalities wouldn't mislead or lie to them. We even have middle-aged and older White males proclaiming that they're allowed to be hateful because they're influenced by what they heard from young black males, so muck so, that they emulate their behavior, even though they couldn't find an example of what they supposedly heard.
So, why not solidify the bigoted media images we already have of people of color and make sure we start wih the youngest children, so they grow up believing these racist images, just like many of their parents did and still do.
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From:The New Georgia Encyclopedia....
Song of the South
Song of the South was Walt Disney's film adaptation of African American folk tales written down in the late nineteenth century by Joel Chandler Harris in his Uncle Remus tales. The film opened in Atlanta on November 12, 1946, to a gala premiere similar to the one given Gone With the Wind seven years earlier. The film combined 70 percent live action and 30 percent animation in a format that was technically advanced for its time, but it received mixed reviews for artistic merit and criticism for its portrayal of black characters.[so it WAS assailed as racist even then(1946) contrary to what you lying racists have tried to depict] ====Production====
Walt Disney bought the rights to the Uncle Remus stories from the Harris family in 1939. Disney had high expectations for the film and hoped it would restore to his reputation some of the luster lost as a result of a series of unexceptional cartoon features in the early 1940s. The film was heavily researched, and separate directors were hired to handle the animated and real-life sequences. Thirty-six animators worked for two years on the animated sequences.
There was much discussion within the Disney studio about how the story and the African American characters should be presented. One of the scriptwriters, Clarence Muse—an African American—urged that black characters in the film be portrayed in a positive light. He was so disappointed in the response he received that he resigned before the script was complete. That the studio was not concerned with making a racially progressive statement was perhaps reflected in its choice of James Baskett, an actor in the Amos and Andy radio show, to play Uncle Remus, and in Walt Disney's comment to a colleague that he had hired a "swell little pickaninny" to play a black child in the film.[Open and shut flat out RACISM]
Song of the South concerns Johnny, a young white boy from Atlanta whose parents are separating. When he learns of the split while visiting his grandmother's plantation, he tries to run away and encounters an elderly black man, Uncle Remus, who tells him a Brer Rabbit story to persuade him to return home. A friendship develops, and Uncle Remus becomes for Johnny a substitute for his absent father and well-meaning but unaffectionate mother. When Johnny's mother forbids him to see Uncle Remus, the old man decides to move away, and the boy runs after him. Attacked by a bull, the boy lies in a coma, unresponsive to his parents, until Uncle Remus visits and his words awaken the boy. At the end of the film, Johnny's parents have reunited, and Uncle Remus and the children he has entranced are dancing down the road along with the animated characters from his tales. The animated sequences, reenactments of various Uncle Remus tales, are intended to instruct the boy in the importance of self-reliance, facing up to problems, and other values.
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Local reviews, including a notice in the African American newspaper, the Atlanta Daily World, were largely positive, but nationally the film was not well received. Baskett was widely commended for his portrayal of Uncle Remus, but the other adult characters were seen as unremarkable. The live-action sequences in the film were criticized as boring, although the animated scenes received more praise. Film reviewer Bosley Crowther wrote that the movie was a "travesty on the antebellum South." Another viewer wrote in an open letter to Disney, which was published by the Atlanta Constitution, "What's got into you lately? Last night, I saw your latest movie, Song of the South. For a fellow with your talents, I thought it was a bum job. . . . This 'Uncle Tom' musical hasn't got it. . . . We felt embarrassed for you when we read that the colored actor who played 'Uncle Remus' wasn't permitted to attend the gala opening."
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Normally I am about three steps to the left of Stalin and I do not defend Republicans but enough is enough already.
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Religion was used against my people when we were trying to free ourselves from slavery, since the white man realized that the fear of death did not sink in us black folk.
How would like to be considered to be the first white person to accomplish something like you're a dog or something?
I am not angry. I am not going to just turn the other cheek when in 2007 I see blacks still receiving horrendous, unjustifiable and unequal treatment in this country and around the world just because we're born brown. I will continue to call you white people on the carpet for your racism and hypocrisy until you all realize that we are human beings in this world trying to survive like the next human being.
poppop_schell tell me where was god when:
- hurricane katrina happened? The people who are still suffering the most are black.
- the disenfranchisement of voters in the 2000 and 2004 elections in Ohio and Florida?
Mainly blacks
-drivng in the u.s. get stopped and searched by police? It's called driving while black.
-the growing population filling the jails to the point it has become a commodity on the stock market? Citizens of African American decent.
-Hundreds of Haitians trying to come to the u.s. seeking freedom because they're being persecuted back home to be only turned around, but don't turn away the white Cubans or any other group of people who want to come to this country just because?
Tell the jews to stop holding onto their hate by using the holocaust as a crutch OK?
Instead of taking out their frustrations on their fellow europeans who were responsible for their holocaust, they kill innocent Palenstines and any other Arab who had nothing to do with the holocaust, and not utilizing their power in the legal, banking and entertainment fields to bring good in the world so what happened to them would not happen to anyone else.
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Posted by: outsideagitator on May 12, 2007 9:17 AM
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Sometimes I laughed and a times was moved to tears. Even though my Scots-Irish ancestors were key in wiping out indigenous Americans and stealing their land, owning slaves in the south and having relatives that served on the White Citizen Councils that tried to slow down voting rights in the integration in the South some of our relatives from there are not racists, nor are my sister and brother. Black people everywhere but especially in the South are still getting the shity end of the stick and many of them are really pissed off....witness some of the posts here. I myself, (though able to have access to white skin privilege) often use the term cracker, redneck and honky when addressing racist whites. Frankly I hate them...especially the ones you find in the "minutemen men" movements and various other "patriot" organizations. Its up against the wall mfkr with these guys as far as I am concerned, AND their more sophisticated upper class masters who know better (most of the time) to let overt racist slurs slip out of their filthy mouths but under the radar work their asses off to subvert the rights and well being of people of color ESPECIALLY black people. Everyone can see that this honky power block has gotten pretty sophisticated AND has reached out and found people of color who are more than happy to collude and cooperate with the master...witness Condoleeza Rice, Attorney General Gonzales, Colin Powell and Supreme Court Justice....oh well the sordid list goes on.
This whole things makes me madder than hell. After all these years we still have to deal with this shit.
Nevertheless, I am hopeful that we might be able to overcome this vicious racist inheritance that we all suffer from and have a society that is based real freedom and justice for all. Maybe hopeful is not the word to use. Its more like the phrase from the great great Italian communist and philosopher Antonio Gramsci used when assesing the possibility of resisting the fascist triumph in Germany, Italy and Spain. He said that what was needed was "Pessimism of the mind and optimism of the will." Yeah that's more like it.
One final thing, I am not the only one born to white skin privilege that rejects that. There are others, some of them even more angry than I. We are moved by many leaders who are people of color. In my case there are three that I cherish. Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Mohamed Ali.
Maybe one day we will fight our way out. Maybe we will learn how to "Float like butterflies and sting like bees".
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Posted by: kern on May 12, 2007 11:17 PM
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I believe that given the opportunity to see this film a large number of African-American families would see it it in a positive light. In no way does it promote anything but positive feelings toward people of color.
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Do you suppose that's because it portrays African Americans fairly?
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Posted by: hole11 on May 8, 2007 11:04 PM
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I am so glad someone can still make money out of a song that should be public domain by now. Why don't you talk about real issues?
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Posted by: dauphin534 on May 9, 2007 6:45 AM
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even if europeans and collectors can find it on DVD(folks that definitely understand the context), disney has been hiding this film existense from the mainstream american public for 20 years. that's like whitewashing history and pretending that everyone, including disney, has always been colorblind. that's even worse than making the film in the first place. So
rather than try to protest and essentially ban a piece of art (that's what this is, even if you don't like the movie), let's just continue to spread the word about the film when it is released. maybe once people see it, they will learn something new about disney: their history isn't so wholesome and colorblind as they would have us believe today.
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Posted by: dauphin534 on May 9, 2007 6:56 AM
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like i said before, put that effort not in an attempt to protest or blindly censor this stuff, but use it to educate the public about the role the big corporations have always had in perpetuating stereotypes. like it or not, this film is a part of our history. once people start to understand that history, they might even start to see the connection between disney then and record companies now (in their promotion of gangsta rap).
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on May 9, 2007 7:17 AM
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I am amazed that this movie is still not only being shown, but still has its 4 star rating. I could not continue to watch and turned it off after about 10 minutes. It's not only blacks who continue to be the victims of American culture. In the case of "Breakfast at Tiffany's" the frenzied portrayal of someone from a different country as foolish and almost less than human is overt and ugly.
On the other hand, I remember seeing "Song of the South" as a child, and my parents read the Uncle Remus tales to me often. I'm not sure what to think about those stories now. My parents were inclusve, accepting of all races and cultures, and believed in diversity of every kind. I never thought of the tar baby as a racial term until very recently; rather I thought of it as a metaphor for getting oneself into a situation that was impossible to get out of. In fact, all of the stories had morals and messages - and were fun to read and listen to. Of course, my mother never used a fake "black" accent when she read them, and I didn't associate them with any race. They were about animals who could talk and relationships among these animals.
As far as the movie "Song of the South" is concerned, it did not generate any kind of anti-black sentiment in me, nor did I come to believe that black people were inferior as a result of the movie. This is probably because I had no racial bigotry built in, and it just never occurred to me. It's unfortunate that our society has such a history of racial discrimination and oppression. Otherwise, the Uncle Remus stories might have been depicted in a different way, without the racial stereotypes, glorification of the anti-bellum south, and implicit sanctioning of white supremacy.
Perhaps this is not enough, and maybe the stories themselves are racially loaded and a blot on our history. I haven't read or heard them for years, so it's possible I remember them with the mind of a child rather than a rational adult.
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Posted by: ahilgart on May 9, 2007 8:50 AM
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And the movie is hardly racist.
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Posted by: HomerScarborough on May 9, 2007 9:37 AM
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I grew up with Song of the South, and I loved it as a child. If you have never seen it, you shouldn't be criticizing it. If you want a copy, you can get it on Ebay on either DVD or video tape for around $20.00. Your kids will love it, and neither you or them will be tainted by it. I promise!
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Posted by: lessbread on May 9, 2007 10:29 AM
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If this film was the only image of African-Americans available, there might be something to the complaint, but it's not. There are far worse depictions that are far more readily available.
If it's a question of how this film would impact on the consciousness of children, I couldn't say. I do know that for myself as a child back in the 1970's I picked up more racism from the adults that were around me than I did from seeing excerpts of Song of the South on the Walt Disney Show.
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Posted by: Pintado_Petrel on May 9, 2007 12:40 PM
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That was the whole point of the story! Br'er Rabbit did something that in our culture (and the west african culture from where the story originated) is taboo, and he paid for it. Br'er Fox was irritated at Br'er Rabbit for his bad behaviour, and set a trap for him. Br'er Rabbit was rude, abusive, and ultimately violent, and for all his trouble found himself completely bound up by the sticky tar. Had he been polite, or not violent, Br'er Fox would never have taught him a lesson.
The tar baby is black. Tar itself is black, ergo a tar doll or mannequin (the meaning of "baby" in this story) will be black. The fact that the tar baby is black is completely irrelevant to the story. The tar baby could have been made out of turpentine gum, pine tar, molasses, or honey, and Br'er Rabbit would have been trapped in the same way. Winnie the Pooh got trapped in a honey pot--but hey, isn't a honey pot a deragatory phrase for a woman? Is Winnie the Pooh sexist? Sure, in the same way a tar baby is racist.
As far as the rest of Song of the South, Disney wanted to turn the stories of Uncle Remus into a movie, and wrote the story loosely around the exploits of Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Bear. From Wiki:
"Walt Disney had long wanted to make a film based on the Uncle Remus storybook, but it wasn't until the mid-1940s that he had found a way to give the stories an adequate film equivalent, in scope and fidelity. "I always felt that Uncle Remus should be played by a living person," Disney is quoted as saying, "as should also the young boy to whom Harris' old Negro philosopher relates his vivid stories of the Briar Patch."
In other words, we are looking through the lens of history and changing opinions at an attempt to bring a filmmaker's favourite stories to life. Don't attempt to ascribe racist motivations to something that was clearly not the intention of the filmmaker.
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Walt Disney's Racist Tirades
Posted | November 26, 2006 07:59 PM
In "Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination," out this month from Knopf, biographer Neal Gabler reveals that Disney used racial epithets referring to African-Americans and called an Italian band heard in the animated classic "Pinocchio" a "bunch of garlic eaters."
When animator David Swift told him he was moving to Columbia Pictures, "Walt called him into the office, feigned a Yiddish accent, and said, 'OK, Davy boy, off you go to work with those Jews. It's where you belong, with those Jews.' " When Disney released "Three Little Pigs" in the 1930s, the American Jewish Congress bitterly complained that it featured a wolf as a Jewish peddler - a depiction "so vile, revolting and unnecessary as to constitute a direct affront to the Jews."
A nazi sympathizer ..virulently anti labor..who sold colleagues out (that means wrecked careers) to HUAC
From www.jinxmagazine.com:
Walt saw himself as a father figure to the animators, whom he referred to as "his boys." Once Walt even proudly commented to an animator that the studio ran "on a kind of Jesus Christ communism."
This statement becomes ironic when one learns how Walt Disney intertwined his feelings of betrayal, his reactionary vengeance and his patriotic "duty" to inform the FBI of communist activity in Hollywood, especially in his studio. Before Walt started this "war," he opposed the entry of the U.S. into World War II as one of Hollywood's most active prewar isolationists. Walt regularly attended American Nazi Party (Enemy of Jinx, 1933) meetings before America entered the war, and even considered hiring Leni Riefenstahl as a filmmaker after Kristallnacht, when no other studio would touch her. {SWASTIKA MUSIC NOTES] ...... In 1940, among growing antiCommunist sentiments, the FBI made Walt Disney an official informant, and would later promote him to Special Agent in Charge.....
For years, Walt refused to cooperate with the union, stung by this betrayal of "his family." Things escalated in early 1941, when the Guild animators went on strike. Walt blamed the Communist Party USA for the strike, which lasted for months. ...Finally, Walt's antiunion allies' ties to organized crime caused him to concede to the terms of the strike, for fear of damage to the studio's reputation. Even afterwards, Walt publicly described the strike as having been "communistically inspired and led" and fired the strike leaders. Walt helped increase the House Un-American Committee's presence in Hollywood and spent years personally blacklisting every Disney animator in the Guild and many a professional adversary, all in the name of opposing Communism.
(Ya'll still lickin' some of dat 'maple syrup' nostalgia out de butt of Disney Inc??..something to pour on dem Jemima hot cakes)
Remember the old Walt Disney TV show? Tommorow Land,
Adventure Land, etc....Ummm..How 'bout Peenemunde Land ?
That was where thousands of slave laborers died working in this Nazi V-2 assembly plant..the Director of which was nazi wunderkind Wernher Von Braun...who , snatched up by US military intel , came to live and prosper in USA...hosting Tomorrow Land for Disney in his spare time...
Warner Brothers..Disney the Corporation.. MGM..like most of 'Hollywood' are (were) the unrivalled promulgators of racist stereotypes.
Think this 'Song' is so innocuous...tell you what..make up some goofy animated 'feel good' distortion of Auschwitz,
jews singin' in the showers..knee slappin' yiddish humor...Oy Vey!! Take that over to the jewish community...show that shit to their kids.. let me know how that works out...if you're able to..
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Hip Hop Profanity, Misogyny and Violence: Blame the Manufacturer
By Glen Ford, Black Agenda Report. Posted May 7, 2007.
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So for apologists of don imus and those of his ilk, continue to put a black face on what's wrong with this society all you want, but it goes back to who controls the media and for how many years? The color of the execs who run and own the media powerhouses has not changed in 60+ years and won't change anytime soon. Why you think that oprah and bill cosby won't really blame who is behind of what's wrong with black amerikkka? They know who is buttering their bread.
Thank you ekrinput for your post (Disney was a... posted by: ekipnrut on May 9, 2007), it needed to be said. I'm sick of these white (x-tians and jews) people marginalizing the blacks suffering from racism like oh it's just a cold get over it, but when something is said about the jews, you see instant firings, freedom of speech is not even discussed, months of coverage of what was said about the jews, laws put into place to not only censor any discussion about the jews but jail time is given automatically.
It's like they were the only people to have suffered. They control the legal, banking, and entertainment industries, yet they use the holocaust as a crutch more than blacks use slavery as a crutch. Then instead of trying to make the world a better place so what happen to them would not happen again, they unleash their frustrations on the Palenstians by taking their land, or constantly putting out this propaganda about black people, which neither group of people has never attacked them for any reason.
White people need a heavy dose of that bitter pill called racism given to them in an IV so they can feel the full effect of what they unjustifiably dish out to people of color on a daily basis. It's almost like it's a religion for most of them to be racist. The thought for them of being a minority group within a society, or being just one white in a group of people of color frightens most white people to no end. That's why they can never comprehend what it like to be a person of color in this world. Human beings have the capacity to change, but can or will white people change if need to?
Like religion, you have to keep drumming the racism in the heads of the people that you want on your side by producing artifacts, music, and movies that people will buy to support that movement.
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I loved Gone with the Wind.
I loved Huckelberry Finn.
None of these works of art are from our time. If we are going to ban all art that is politically outdated-there will not be much left from the past.
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I am unaware of any alternative that would express the sense of, for instance, "Iraq is George Bush's tar baby." Of course it means that having foolishly attacked Iraq, GWB is trapped--he can't get away from it. It doesn't mean it was OK for GWB to attack Iraq because its residents are not "white."
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BTW, I saw Song of the South in theaters when it was re-released sometime in the 60's. I was probably 8-10 years old and I had enough sense to realize that the movie was historical and fantasy and not representative of real black people. And that was in a time and place where the only black people I knew were actual Africans - children of foreign students in my extremely white college hometown, and not many of them. Today, most kids live in more integrated communities, have many relatively positive black role models on TV and in movies and they're going to know that the portrayals in Song aren't accurate.
Kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
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As Randy from American Idol said, sometimes you have to let the classics be classics, and not mess with them. Of course, 50 years from now, old AI videos will be banned because Randy is a negative stereotype. We can't have our grandchildren thinking that all black singing competition judges talk like pimps.
It's interesting to think where this slippery slope could lead. Should we ban Fiddler on the Roof because it portrays Jewish stereotypes, and romanticizes persecution? Should we ban "Sanford and Son" and keep the "Cosby Show"? We'll all die of boredom, but when aliens visit our dead planet, at least they'll think we were a PC civilization.
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Paul Reuben wrote, “Joel Chandler Harris was a white man, born of poor parents, who at thirteen left home and became an apprentice to Joseph Addison Turner, a newspaper publisher and plantation owner. It is at this plantation, Turnwold, that Harris first heard the black folktales that were to make him famous.” In Mother Tongue, Bill Bryson describes Harris as a “painfully shy newsman” who had a pronounced stammer and was very self-conscious about his illegitimate birth.
H. L. Mencken held a less than favorable view of Harris. He wrote: "Once upon a time a Georgian printed a couple of books that attracted notice, but immediately it turned out that he was little more than an amanuensis for the local blacks--that his works were really the products, not of white Georgia, but of black Georgia. Writing afterward as a white man, he swiftly subsided into the fifth rank." [from The Sahara of the Bozart]
Among Black American writers, Harris is a highly polarizing figure. Alice Walker accused Harris of "stealing a good part of my heritage" in a searing essay called "Uncle Remus, No Friend of Mine." Toni Morrison wrote a novel called "Tar Baby" based on the folktale recorded by Harris. In interviews, she has claimed she learned the story from family, and owes no debt to Harris. Black folklorist Julius Lester holds a somewhat kinder view of Harris. He sees the Uncle Remus stories as important records of Black Folklore, and has rewritten many of the Harris' stories in an effort to elevate the subversive elements over the racist ones.
Apart from Uncle Remus, Harris wrote several other collections of stories depicting rural life in Georgia.
In 1946, the Walt Disney Company produced a film based on Harris's work, called Song of the South. While critically and commercially successful during its original release and re-releases, the fear of controversy has kept the film from North American release on home video.
As for Mencken?... From Wikipedia:
Mencken, in his legendary salvo against Southern American culture, "The Sahara of the Bozart" ("Bozart" being a mock misspelling of "Beaux-Arts"), argued that the whole Confederate region fell into cultureless savagery and backwardness after the Civil War— with the exception of the African-American community. In what was an audacious (and seriously intended) argument, Mencken claimed Southern blacks were actually the heirs and descendants of the talented aristocrats— by way of African-American mistresses of Caucasian men. Further Mencken opined that this community was the only site of cultural vitality or activity whatsoever, in spite of being hindered by the barbaric oppression of a culture that condoned and enforced Jim Crow laws and still tacitly sanctioned lynching.
The most authoritative work on this subject is Charles Scruggs' book, The Sage in Harlem — a survey of Mencken's influence on and support of African-American intellectuals. Mencken, as the editor and main creative force behind The American Mercury magazine, was responsible for publishing more black authors than any other publication of its stature —certainly more than any other white dominated publication. The articles by African-Americans ranged from a Pullman Porter's account of life in that occupation to sophisticated articles by important black thinkers.
My view of Mencken?? Well the entirety of Mencken's expressed relationship with Blacks is indeed problematic in some respects. (:o) to the cognoscenti) But unlike the plagiarizing charlatan Chandler...he talked HIS talk walked HIS walk providing apparently nontrivial alliance with- not 'hand out' to- the Black community. So I must respect that.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Das Gulfene Baumchen (The Golden Flower Tree) is a short anti-Semitic cartoon produced in the Nazi era.
The plot is about a "golden tree" somewhere in the woods where various birds and animals (reminiscent of the one in Disneys Snow White) live. However a Jew sneaks through the forest and robs the tree of its leaves.
The animation seems to mimic both Disney and Fleisher styles.
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Es Leuchten die Stern
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Es Leuchten die Sterne "The Stars are Shining" is an anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda film that mixes animation and live action footage.
The film starts out showing a girl looking through a telescope watching a comet fly through space. When the comet hits the Earth the picture dissolves into a map of Germany with the star of David and Jewish caricatures superimposed on it, then switches to live action footage, apparently from Der Ewige Jude.
What follows then is a series of short segments in which the "flying Jews" fly through and, implicitly, corrupt various aspects of German life: the theatre, a bank, art, industry, alternating with line drawn Jewish caricatures and live action footage.
The cartoon vividly illustrates the Nazi attitude toward the Jews as "pests" who were ruining the German culture and economy.
Its relationship to a 1938 German drama of the same name, if any, is unclear.
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Theresienstadt(film)
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In the summer of 1944 the Nazi government perpetrated a hoax against the Danish Red Cross by taking them on a tour of the Theresienstadt concentration camp in the Sudetenland, occupied Czechoslavakia. They fixed up and cleaned the camp prior to arrival and arranged cultural activities to give the appearance of a happy, industrious community. They even sent a considerable part of its population to their deaths in Auschwitz to cover up the overpopulation of the camp.The gimmick was so successful that the Nazis attempted to expand on it by having Kurt Gerron, a Jewish actor/director, make a short film about the camp to assure audiences that the inmates kept there were not being abused. In return they promised that both he and his family would live. Shortly after he finished shooting the film, however, both he and his family were "evacuated" to Auschwitz were they were gassed upon arrival.
The footage that Gerron shot was intended to be edited into a film called either Theresienstadt. Ein Dokumentarfilm aus dem jüdischen Siedlungsgebiet (Terezin: A Documentary Film of the Jewish Resettlement) or Der Fuhrer schenkt den Juden ein stadt (The Fuhrer Gives the Jews a City) however the progress of the war in that period (late 1944 to early 1945) made that impossible, so the scenes were used independently. Only about 20 minutes of the film survives.
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Ah yes..a benevolent Fuhrer facilitates Jewish Resettlement by
giving them an entire city!!!..And we have the progeny of the protective womb of slavery schooled in the balm of denial, the joys of bound to backfire eventual self hate and the wondrous escapism of fantasy preoccupation...Oh...BTW go to Wikipedia..search (within the site) "Theresienstadt" the second result should be Theresienstadt(film)....at the bottom of the
article there is a YouTube link to the actual remaining footage....what you see there is a gross distortion...'Song' is a
gross distortion...those who can see this in only one are racists,those who can see this in neither are are even more the fool.
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Posted by: SEDGFLD on May 11, 2007 11:29 AM
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There were those of you who thought the words of Trent Lott didn't matter, a few years ago, and look who's leading this country, today. We have a member of Congress, running for president, who fraternizes with hate groups on a regular basis. We have local judiciary who belong to hate groups. We have organizatons and individuals, whom the media now consider to be "experts", who funnel money to hate groups and set policy in Washington.
We have an atomsphere of hatred, in the media, that people accept as mainstream. Talk shows regularly have religious cult leaders, as their regular guests, who expouse the most vicious types of bigotry and they are held out as being the "right type of Christians".
We still have stereotypical images of people of color on the news, that the majority of White America still believes represents the norm, because they know their media personalities wouldn't mislead or lie to them. We even have middle-aged and older White males proclaiming that they're allowed to be hateful because they're influenced by what they heard from young black males, so muck so, that they emulate their behavior, even though they couldn't find an example of what they supposedly heard.
So, why not solidify the bigoted media images we already have of people of color and make sure we start wih the youngest children, so they grow up believing these racist images, just like many of their parents did and still do.
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From:The New Georgia Encyclopedia....
Song of the South
Song of the South was Walt Disney's film adaptation of African American folk tales written down in the late nineteenth century by Joel Chandler Harris in his Uncle Remus tales. The film opened in Atlanta on November 12, 1946, to a gala premiere similar to the one given Gone With the Wind seven years earlier. The film combined 70 percent live action and 30 percent animation in a format that was technically advanced for its time, but it received mixed reviews for artistic merit and criticism for its portrayal of black characters.[so it WAS assailed as racist even then(1946) contrary to what you lying racists have tried to depict] ====Production====
Walt Disney bought the rights to the Uncle Remus stories from the Harris family in 1939. Disney had high expectations for the film and hoped it would restore to his reputation some of the luster lost as a result of a series of unexceptional cartoon features in the early 1940s. The film was heavily researched, and separate directors were hired to handle the animated and real-life sequences. Thirty-six animators worked for two years on the animated sequences.
There was much discussion within the Disney studio about how the story and the African American characters should be presented. One of the scriptwriters, Clarence Muse—an African American—urged that black characters in the film be portrayed in a positive light. He was so disappointed in the response he received that he resigned before the script was complete. That the studio was not concerned with making a racially progressive statement was perhaps reflected in its choice of James Baskett, an actor in the Amos and Andy radio show, to play Uncle Remus, and in Walt Disney's comment to a colleague that he had hired a "swell little pickaninny" to play a black child in the film.[Open and shut flat out RACISM]
Song of the South concerns Johnny, a young white boy from Atlanta whose parents are separating. When he learns of the split while visiting his grandmother's plantation, he tries to run away and encounters an elderly black man, Uncle Remus, who tells him a Brer Rabbit story to persuade him to return home. A friendship develops, and Uncle Remus becomes for Johnny a substitute for his absent father and well-meaning but unaffectionate mother. When Johnny's mother forbids him to see Uncle Remus, the old man decides to move away, and the boy runs after him. Attacked by a bull, the boy lies in a coma, unresponsive to his parents, until Uncle Remus visits and his words awaken the boy. At the end of the film, Johnny's parents have reunited, and Uncle Remus and the children he has entranced are dancing down the road along with the animated characters from his tales. The animated sequences, reenactments of various Uncle Remus tales, are intended to instruct the boy in the importance of self-reliance, facing up to problems, and other values.
Reaction
Local reviews, including a notice in the African American newspaper, the Atlanta Daily World, were largely positive, but nationally the film was not well received. Baskett was widely commended for his portrayal of Uncle Remus, but the other adult characters were seen as unremarkable. The live-action sequences in the film were criticized as boring, although the animated scenes received more praise. Film reviewer Bosley Crowther wrote that the movie was a "travesty on the antebellum South." Another viewer wrote in an open letter to Disney, which was published by the Atlanta Constitution, "What's got into you lately? Last night, I saw your latest movie, Song of the South. For a fellow with your talents, I thought it was a bum job. . . . This 'Uncle Tom' musical hasn't got it. . . . We felt embarrassed for you when we read that the colored actor who played 'Uncle Remus' wasn't permitted to attend the gala opening."
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Posted by: leavemlaughing on May 11, 2007 7:49 PM
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Normally I am about three steps to the left of Stalin and I do not defend Republicans but enough is enough already.
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Religion was used against my people when we were trying to free ourselves from slavery, since the white man realized that the fear of death did not sink in us black folk.
How would like to be considered to be the first white person to accomplish something like you're a dog or something?
I am not angry. I am not going to just turn the other cheek when in 2007 I see blacks still receiving horrendous, unjustifiable and unequal treatment in this country and around the world just because we're born brown. I will continue to call you white people on the carpet for your racism and hypocrisy until you all realize that we are human beings in this world trying to survive like the next human being.
poppop_schell tell me where was god when:
- hurricane katrina happened? The people who are still suffering the most are black.
- the disenfranchisement of voters in the 2000 and 2004 elections in Ohio and Florida?
Mainly blacks
-drivng in the u.s. get stopped and searched by police? It's called driving while black.
-the growing population filling the jails to the point it has become a commodity on the stock market? Citizens of African American decent.
-Hundreds of Haitians trying to come to the u.s. seeking freedom because they're being persecuted back home to be only turned around, but don't turn away the white Cubans or any other group of people who want to come to this country just because?
Tell the jews to stop holding onto their hate by using the holocaust as a crutch OK?
Instead of taking out their frustrations on their fellow europeans who were responsible for their holocaust, they kill innocent Palenstines and any other Arab who had nothing to do with the holocaust, and not utilizing their power in the legal, banking and entertainment fields to bring good in the world so what happened to them would not happen to anyone else.
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Posted by: outsideagitator on May 12, 2007 9:17 AM
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Sometimes I laughed and a times was moved to tears. Even though my Scots-Irish ancestors were key in wiping out indigenous Americans and stealing their land, owning slaves in the south and having relatives that served on the White Citizen Councils that tried to slow down voting rights in the integration in the South some of our relatives from there are not racists, nor are my sister and brother. Black people everywhere but especially in the South are still getting the shity end of the stick and many of them are really pissed off....witness some of the posts here. I myself, (though able to have access to white skin privilege) often use the term cracker, redneck and honky when addressing racist whites. Frankly I hate them...especially the ones you find in the "minutemen men" movements and various other "patriot" organizations. Its up against the wall mfkr with these guys as far as I am concerned, AND their more sophisticated upper class masters who know better (most of the time) to let overt racist slurs slip out of their filthy mouths but under the radar work their asses off to subvert the rights and well being of people of color ESPECIALLY black people. Everyone can see that this honky power block has gotten pretty sophisticated AND has reached out and found people of color who are more than happy to collude and cooperate with the master...witness Condoleeza Rice, Attorney General Gonzales, Colin Powell and Supreme Court Justice....oh well the sordid list goes on.
This whole things makes me madder than hell. After all these years we still have to deal with this shit.
Nevertheless, I am hopeful that we might be able to overcome this vicious racist inheritance that we all suffer from and have a society that is based real freedom and justice for all. Maybe hopeful is not the word to use. Its more like the phrase from the great great Italian communist and philosopher Antonio Gramsci used when assesing the possibility of resisting the fascist triumph in Germany, Italy and Spain. He said that what was needed was "Pessimism of the mind and optimism of the will." Yeah that's more like it.
One final thing, I am not the only one born to white skin privilege that rejects that. There are others, some of them even more angry than I. We are moved by many leaders who are people of color. In my case there are three that I cherish. Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Mohamed Ali.
Maybe one day we will fight our way out. Maybe we will learn how to "Float like butterflies and sting like bees".
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Posted by: kern on May 12, 2007 11:17 PM
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I believe that given the opportunity to see this film a large number of African-American families would see it it in a positive light. In no way does it promote anything but positive feelings toward people of color.
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Do you suppose that's because it portrays African Americans fairly?
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