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Hip Hop Profanity, Misogyny and Violence: Blame the Manufacturer
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Naturally, the surrounding communities would be upset. A portion of their anger would be directed at the young men and women whose conduct was so destructive of the morals and image of African Americans. Preachers would rail against the willingness of Black youth to debase themselves in such a manner, and politicians would rush to introduce laws making it a crime for public accommodations employees to use profanity or engage in lewd or threatening behavior. However, there can be no doubt that the full wrath of the community and the state would descend like an angry god's vengeance on the real villain: the McDonald's Corporation, the purveyor of the fast food experience product.
Hip Hop music is also a product, produced by giant corporations for mass distribution to a carefully targeted and cultivated demographic market. Corporate executives map out multi-year campaigns to increase their share of the targeted market, hiring and firing subordinates -- the men and women of Artists and Recordings (A&R) departments -- whose job is to find the raw material for the product (artists), and shape it into the package upper management has decreed is most marketable (the artist's public persona, image, style and behavior). It is a corporate process at every stage of artist "development," one that was in place long before the artist was "discovered" or signed to the corporate label. What the public sees, hears and consumes is the end result of a process that is integral to the business model crafted by top corporate executives. The artist, the song, the presentation -- all of it is a corporate product.
Yet, unlike the swift and certain public condemnation that would crash down upon our hypothetical McDonald's-from-Da Hood, the bulk of Black community anger at hip hop products is directed at foul-behaving artists, rather than the corporate Dr. Frankensteins that created and profit from them. As the great French author and revolutionary Franz Fanon would have understood perfectly, colonized and racially oppressed peoples internalize -- take ownership -- of the social pathologies fostered by the oppressor. Thus, the anti-social aspects of commercial hip hop are perceived as a "Black" problem, to be overcome through internal devices (preaching and other forms of collective self-flagellation), rather than viewed as an assault by hostile, outside forces secondarily abetted by opportunists within the group.
In order for our nightmare McDonald's analogy to more closely fit the music industry reality, all the fast food chains would have to provide the same type of profane, low-life, hyper-sexualized, life-devaluing service/product: "Bitch-Burgers" from Burger King, served with "Chronic-Flavored Fries," "Ho Wings" from KFC, dipped in too-hot "187 Murder Sauce." If you wanted fast food, you'd have to patronize one or the other of these thug-themed chains. So, too, with hip hop music.
A handful of entertainment corporations exercise total control of the market, in incestuous (and illegal) conspiratorial concert with corporate-dominated radio. Successful so-called "independent" labels are most often mere subcontractors to the majors, dependent on them for record distribution and business survival. They are no more independent than the owner of a McDonald's franchise, whose product must conform to the standards set by global headquarters in Oak Brook, Illinois.
As "conscious" rapper Paris wrote, there is no viable alternative to the corporate nexus for hip hop artists seeking to reach a mass audience. "WHAT underground?" said Paris. "Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V."
The major record labels actively suppress positive hip hop by withholding promotional support of both the above- and below-the-table variety. Hip hop journalist and activist Davey D reported that Erykah Badu and The Roots' Grammy-winning hit "You Got Me" was initially rejected by the corporate nexus due to its "overtly positive" message..."so palms were greased with the promise that key stations countrywide would get hot ‘summer jam' concert acts in exchange for airplay. According to Questlove [of The Roots], more than $1 million in cash and resources were eventually laid out for the success of that single song."
Black America's hip hop problem cannot be laid at the feet of a few hundredHHthugTupac wayward performers -- and should certainly not be assigned to some inherent pathology in Black culture. African Americans do not control the packaging and dissemination of their culture: corporations and their Black comprador allies and annexes do. The mass Gangsta Rap phenomenon is a boardroom invention. I know.
From 1987 to early 1994, I co-owned and hosted "Rap It Up," the first nationally syndicated radio hip hop music program. During the first half of this period, the Rap genre accomplished its national "breakout" from New York and LA, spreading to all points in between. By 1990, the major labels were preparing to swallow the independent labels that had birthed commercial hip hop, which had evolved into a wondrous mix of party, political and "street"-aggressive subsets. One of the corporate labels (I can't remember which) conducted a study that shocked the industry: The most "active" consumers of Hip Hop, they discovered, were "tweens," the demographic slice between the ages of 11 and 13.
The numbers were unprecedented. Even in the early years of Black radio, R&B music's most "active" consumers were at least two or three years older than "tweens." It didn't take a roomful of PhDs in human development science to grasp the ramifications of the data. Early and pre-adolescents of both genders are sexual-socially undeveloped -- uncertain and afraid of the other gender. Tweens revel in honing their newfound skills in profanity; they love to curse. Males, especially, act out their anxieties about females through aggression and derision. This is the cohort for which the major labels would package their hip hop products. Commercial Gangsta Rap was born -- a sub-genre that would lock a whole generation in perpetual arrested social development.
First, the artists would have to be brought into the corporate program. The term "street" became a euphemism for a monsoon of profanity, gratuitous violence, female and male hyper-promiscuity, the most vulgar materialism, and the total suppression of social consciousness. A slew of child acts was recruited to appeal more directly to the core demographic.
Women rappers were coerced to conform to the new order. A young female artist broke down at my kitchen table one afternoon, after we had finished a promotional interview. "They're trying to make me into a whore," she said, sobbing. "They say I'm not ‘street' enough." Her skills on the mic were fine. "They" were the A&R people from her corporate label.
Stories like this abounded during the transition from independent to major label control of hip hop. The thug- and -"ho"ification of the genre is now all but complete.
Blame the manufacturer.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 7, 2007 12:07 AM
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Y
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If you buy the crap.
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» RE: No idiots.
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» The "hip hop recording industry" is like any other mindless animal.
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» Wrong
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» RE: Wrong
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» ITS A CONSPIRACY BY RACIST WHITES TO UNDERMINE THE BLACK YOUTH CULTURE
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» RE: No idiots.
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» RE: No idiots.
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» Starve the beast until it learns how to be civil. That's what I was trying to say.
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» RE: No idiots.
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» So...so...so...close. Here's just a little help to get your best point right.
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» R For once: a well stated accurate worthwhile fact based appraisal of the situation...
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» RE: No idiots.
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» They made me do it
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» umm, actually...
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» RE: umm, actually...there is a bit of a problem in addition
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» RE: Not really...you jerk your own racist mimicry off!!!
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» RE: They made me do it
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Posted by: edith on May 7, 2007 1:09 AM
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Um, is country music, rock, pop, or other commericially successful music directed to the "desireable" demographic of 18 to 24, or 11 to 24, or whatever numbers the morons who run the music media business desire, any different in their marketing strategy than wheeling & dealing hip hop? I don't think so.
There is hope for the listener willing to try independent or progressive music, whether rock(Wilco) or hip hop(Roots). The pessimistic but largely accurate article did not discuss the pebble that could slay these corporate Goliaths: downloading or direct delivery by artists to listeners. This new phenomena threaten to circumvent the "A and R" goons as well as payola (it never really left, did it?) to the radio stations.
Five years ago, who heard of ipod? MP3 downloads were mired in lawsuitis about Napster, Mozilla, etc. Now, however, the CD and the corporate(i.e., Radio One) type radio station, with all of its graft, are old, dying media distribution networks.
The corruption of pop music radio and the studio control of new artists is old(like 60 yrs. old) news. What's needed is an article on how new media and direct artist to listener distribution hold promise to bankrupt these "music" corporate scumbags once and for all.
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» RE: Download LEGALLY to the Promised Land
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 7, 2007 3:44 AM
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Some of the uproar about hip hop may be overstated. A lot of "metal" was the same way: make it as evil and gory as possible, and put lots of babes with big hair and ripped-up outfits in the videos.
Rap, pro wrestling, big trucks, bimbos, Nascar...It's all corporate crap that feeds off of male insecurities.
One big difference is that hair metal blew over, and satanic metal went underground. After 15-20+ years, hip-hop still won't go away.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 7, 2007 4:22 AM
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WHo gives a fuck about hiphop, misogny, misandry, minor variations in temperature, Iran, Iraq, green shit, whatever.
Instead, just tax the fucking rich, stop taxing the poor, simply the tax system, institute single payer healthcare, fix the goddam transportation systems, stop the goddamn mass immigration, mandate 4 weeks vacation annually, no more than 40 hrs/week, lower college tuition etc.
But is that what the fakeleft talks about? Nooooo!
Just do me a favor, those of you with an open mind here. Note what percentage of articles here at the top of the Alternet page deal with fakeleft issues like this hiphop nonsense, and what percent deal with real bread and butter issues like single payer healthcare.
I have been doing this for about two years.
And Alternet is perfectly typical of the American fakeLeft establishment. These small fakeLeft nonprofit outfits like Alterbet are funded by large nonprofits like the Ford Foundation, which are set up and run by the rich in order to mold and shape the American Left so that a FakeLeft is created, a fakeLeft that does not threaten the fat wallets of the rich.
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» Yes, two years. I think everyone heard you already
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» Cry-o-troll's credo--Doesn't happen to straight, white males? Doesn't matter! (NT)
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» Yea? And what's your proposal for Israel/Palestine......Mr Goldstein
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» Funded by Ford Foundation?
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» Down in a Hole. Ode to Goldstein
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» RE: Down in a Hole. Ode to Goldstein..Yet on second thought...
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 7, 2007 5:33 AM
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What I've always thought and felt and knew has been confirmed by this article, and I THANK this brother for writing and putting out here what needs to be put out there about Hip Hop. If it were up to me, this article would be re-printed in the New York Times, Time magazine, etc. This NEEDS to be told.
What we hear on the Radio, see on TV music channels, what CDs are sold is not under the control of Black people, corporations control it. It's a manufactured image that feeds off the basest and crudest of human nature and centuries-old racial and gender stereotypes - and that finds too many accomplices in the Black community itself to market this false and degrading image not just to this country, but to the world.
Unfortunately, Black leaders and too many Black people cannot or will not see the forest for the trees. Instead of putting the blame and the self-righteous indignation where it belongs, Black people (including I might add, Bill Cosby and his rants against Black youth) blame the victims. We get blamed. I include myself because I grew up on old-school Hip Hop, when it was still "rap" - a positive party genre that was both fun, and also spoke about the realities of urban Black youth in the late 70's and early 80's - just when corporations started co-opting and commodifying the genre and exploiting Black culture yet again.
..... read below for part 2
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 7, 2007 5:34 AM
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Read Black cultural history over the past 150 to 200 years, and you realize this is not the first time Black culture has been hijacked for the profit of those outside our community. Minstrel shows, racially derogatory ads pushing everything from tobacco to soap to cooking oil, the profits made off Jazz, then Rock N' Roll, it is a long line of exploitation. Hip Hop's exploitation continues this abhorrent tradition, and for lack of a better phrase, puts it on steroids via global mass media and the Internet. Instead of just Americans having a distorted view of African Americans, now the whole world sees it. Yet still too many Black people here buy into just what corporations wants us to believe, that any and all problems associated with Hip Hop culture is something within us, and not the machinations of A&R departments.
It was recent news here in New York City about a cell phone video that was taken of a German army officer instructing his target-practicing trainees to pretend they were shooting at niggers in the south Bronx. The German Counsel General to the UN here came to the Bronx and spoke to a group of Black men at a charter school, apologizing for the incident. That particular officer was fired by his superiors. I bring this up because German news reporters and commentators were quick to say that it is the images they see and music they hear of Black Americans that make many feel like it's okay to view Black people the way they do. Now while I feel that's utter bullsh*t (Germany is a deeply racist country even without corporate-generated Hip Hop), there is a lesson to be learned in this, and that is the power of the global distribution of these distorted images. Immigrants come to this country thinking that all us Black Americans do is hang on the street corner smoking weed, robbing, dealing drugs and pimping our women.
Instead of getting angry and railing against one's own youth, put the damned blame where it belongs. Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey and other Black elite would do well by putting some kind of pressure on corporate labels. It may not change much, but it would certainly shift the blame where it belongs. To continue to blame ourselves for ills that were created by others reinforces what Franz Fanon said so many years ago. Fanon, and also Paulo Freire (Brazilian educator and influential theorist of education whose Pedagogy of the Oppressed is what I consider to be the intellectual forefather of Fanon‘s later work) should be required reading for critics of Hip Hop, and for African Americans in general.
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» RE: THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE - 2
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» NO! You are just part of the PPPPP Movement
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» RE: NO! You are just part of the PPPPP Movement
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» RE: NO! You are just part of the PPPPP Movement
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» RE: THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE - 2 I AGREE WITH YOU
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» RE: THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE (than explain all the indy rappers in NYC?)
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Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 5:45 AM
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I’m not holding my breath. This fuss is all about political power, not public civility. In the end, Snoop will sell more records while Sharpton and Jackson continue inflaming the small minority of black people who believe they aren’t a dark version of the KKK.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of the forthcoming JohnQPublic4PRESIDENT2008.com and King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: “Hip Hop” is code for HIPOCRACY (misspelling intended)
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» oh hell...a self-aggrandizing narcissistic pig
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» RE: oh hell...a self-aggrandizing narcissistic pig
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» RE: oh hell...a self-aggrandizing narcissistic pig
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» Before insulting other bloggers, Lawstudent08, scroll down and read my reply to you.
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Posted by: wagadog on May 7, 2007 6:31 AM
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Even nice Catholic girls are unsafe from the depredations of these creeps. When the Burns Sisters were signed by Capitol, there was this female video producer that wanted them to dress all slutty and even wear S&M gear for their video. They said "No" and lost their contract. Of course, Capitol just found someone else to do the bidding of the music masters.
Thank God the Burns Sisters are still recording -- for Rounder Records, not Capitol.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 7, 2007 6:38 AM
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TRANSLATION:
The toilet bowl overflowed, driven by marketing money and polluted the airwaves of the US.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 6:40 AM
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» RE: Blame ONLY the corporations?? My ass....
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» RE: Blame ONLY the corporations?? My ass....
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» RE: Blame ONLY the corporations?? My ass....
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 6:51 AM
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If they had a shred of care for children, they would STOP participating in this vileness that has destroyed a generation of children and continues to perpetuate gang violence, violence against woman, the dumbification of youth. There would be no cRAP to market if these bling-glock-pimps would WAKE UP and STOP selling their vomit under the guise of "art" to the evil corporations who destroy a generation of youth while calling it "entertainment." BLAME THE RAPPERS FOR BEING GREEDY AND PUTTING THEIR "MUSIC" OUT THERE.
They would all do better getting jobs as math teachers.
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» god..there r sooo many brian dead a%@ wipes on this site
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» RE: god..there r sooo many brian dead a%@ wipes on this site
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» "...as resources dry up, conflict increases....it really is that simple..." Too many humans, eh?
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» RE: I'm spitting mad- ULTIMATELY blame the RAPPERS
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Posted by: sausage on May 7, 2007 6:53 AM
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Then a friend, who worked at a very square radio station, stopped by with a demo record of Run-DMC's "You Be Illin'." Laughed until I thought I'd die. Long story short, after that experience Rap didn't seem all that bad, just formulaic like all popular musical styles, even a little silly at times (remember Tone-Loc's "Funky Cold Medina.")
But the genre really hit its stride with the white pre-teen and teenage crowd with the rise of gangsta rap during Ronald Reagan's second term and George H.W. Bush's administration. And I asked myself: Why?
Then, as I delivered mail in lily white suburbia and heard the strains of gangsta rap, it dawned on me. Corporate America was pushing the stuff because it scared the shit out of the parents of the suburban teens who bought the CDs and where glued to the videos of the likes of The Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac Shakur on MTV after school. It reinforced the old negative stereotypes of inner city blacks are over-violent, over-sexed near-subhumans. The perfect formula for driving nominally "liberal" anti-Vietnam War white suburban Democrats into the folds of reactionary Republicanism.
Face it, Alternet readers, we really are not "free" in the United States. We are collectively under the thumbs of marketing firms, that in turn control the poltical process. Thus as it is with "gangsta rap" so it is with abortion, gun control and the entire list of phony balony and bullshit "issues" on which we are collectively hung up.
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» RE: An old white guy's take on gangsta rap
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» ok..I'll give ya part of your analysis
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» RE: ok..I'll give ya part of your analysis
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» the answer is a GOP consipracy to recreate hatred towards balcks?
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» RE: the answer is a GOP consipracy to recreate hatred towards balcks?
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» RE: An old white guy's take on gangsta rap
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» Exactly... Divide and Conquer... Oldest trick in the book
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 7:30 AM
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You want me to go to Beverly Hills and stop upper middle class white women from shopping? Sorry, I'd rather be out here trying to read, write, and do math with city kids.
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» RE: Excuse me...Ms.? Buttinsky Buttwipe.......
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» RE: xcuse me...Ms.? Buttinsky Buttwipe.......Gee Whiz...
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» RE: xcuse me...Ms.? Buttinsky Buttwipe.......Gee Whiz...
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» RE: p.s. veggiegrrl...Stop lying!!!
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» Just STFU and move on..Sheeesh....I can't help but note how all these 'cockroaches'
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Posted by: elfinito on May 7, 2007 12:33 PM
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I don't see how you can possibly argue with this quote????
Where did anyone ever say the advice above was for Black Parents or Black Culture...not all parents and all culture? She never once even hinted that...you just assumed it? As for giving advice...when ya'll bitch about public perception and the largest selling consumer goods in Black Communities all revolve around these images/lyrics/diamonds/shoes/etc... that are propogated predominantly by Black artists...we have a right to "give advice." Either don't bitch about the black image, or do something about the black culture that propagates it!!!!! I live in the Heart of Brooklyn...and the images and styles portarayed by Gangsta-Rap are almost invariably the image and style of the Black/Latino teens in my area. Don't get me wrong, I think the is just as bad for all teens; teen pop-culture on all-levels has become the same bull-shit. Intelligent music has lost its place in the pop music of every category...
Personally, I have no problem with gangsta rap...certainly will never buy it for myself, but thats just my taste. I prefer Jurassic-5, Lyrics Born, The Roots, Common, Arrested Development, and all the other rappers that actually ahve something to say, thats either (1) entertainment by appealling to a bit more than our lowest base instincts (sex, money and power), or (2) Culturally poignant.
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» Rekipnrut or Pyschochurch
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» RE: ekipnrut or Pyschochurch (exactly..so don't "blame" anyone")
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Posted by: ilene on May 7, 2007 7:05 AM
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Consumers and artists have to show some integrity and say enough!
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» If the artists don't write the raps...the industry will have nothing to sell
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» RE: Shared Responsibility
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Posted by: The Big Raven on May 7, 2007 7:21 AM
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Be who you are I really dont need you to shake that fat stinking ass in my face or run around with a gun killing others for doing the same pretty frigging stupid! Its all FAKE just like diamond encrusted teeth and flava flav I gonna puke!
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Posted by: elfinito on May 7, 2007 9:53 AM
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The product in rap...is the MUSIC...created by artists, that sell it to the corporation. Yes the corporations could stop selling it...but hell, the people demand it and buy it. The problem here is that the CONSUMER is getting what they want, and the corporation is giving it...as long as the consumer demands this (and no comnsumer would ever demand being harassed at McDonald's) any corporation will provide it. Its called Supply and Demand!!!!!!!!
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» A THING CALLED SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ENLIGHTENED SELF INTEREST
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 7, 2007 11:12 AM
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Women Now Empowered By Everything A Woman Does
OBERLIN, OH—According to a study released Monday, women—once empowered primarily via the assertion of reproductive rights or workplace equality with men—are now empowered by virtually everything the typical woman does.
"From what she eats for breakfast to the way she cleans her home, today's woman lives in a state of near-constant empowerment," said Barbara Klein, professor of women's studies at Oberlin College and director of the study. "As recently as 15 years ago, a woman could only feel empowered by advancing in a male-dominated work world, asserting her own sexual wants and needs, or pushing for a stronger voice in politics. Today, a woman can empower herself through actions as seemingly inconsequential as driving her children to soccer practice or watching the Oxygen network."
Klein said that clothes-shopping, once considered a mundane act with few sociopolitical implications, is now a bold feminist statement.
"Shopping for shoes has emerged as a powerful means by which women assert their autonomy," Klein said. "Owning and wearing dozens of pairs of shoes is a compelling way for a woman to announce that she is strong and independent, and can shoe herself without the help of a man. She's saying, 'Look out, male-dominated world, here comes me and my shoes.'"
Eating energy bars specially fortified with nutrients "for women" has become a feminist trend, as well.
"Unlike traditional, phallocentric energy bars, whose chocolate, soy protein, nuts, and granola ignored the special health and nutritional needs of women, their new, female-oriented counterparts like Luna are ideally balanced with a more suitable amount of chocolate, soy protein, nuts, and granola," Klein said. "Proto-feminist pioneers like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony could never have imagined that female empowerment would one day come in bar form."
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Other acts of empowerment include gossiping about the sexual proclivities of male acquaintances, lunching with other women in small groups, taking calcium-rich antacid tablets, and reading The Nanny Diaries.
The study also cites the act of pumping one's raised fist in a gesture of female solidarity against the oppressive forces of air pressure.
"Nearly 90 percent of study participants have done this at least once in their lives, often accompanying their action with the exhortation 'You go, girl!' or, simply, 'Whooooooo!'" Klein said.
Perhaps most remarkably, the mere act of weight gain is now regarded as a feminist act. Though some women express reservations about the negative impact of obesity on one's health, overweight women display a level of assertiveness, or "sassitude," that thinner women lack.
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"Of course, women can be empowered by losing weight, too," Willets added. "Pretty much any change in weight—up or down—is empowering."
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"Not every woman can become a physicist or lobby to stop a foundry from dumping dangerous metals into the creek her children swim in," Klein said. "Although these actions are incredible, they marginalize the majority of women who are unable to, or just don't particularly care to, achieve such things. Fortunately for the less impressive among us, a new strain of feminism has emerged in which mundane activities are championed as proud, bold assertions of independence from oppressive patriarchal hegemony."
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Posted by: ekipnrut on May 7, 2007 12:16 PM
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LINDSAY Lohan, fresh from rehab, has been pictured taking part in a marathon cocaine binge.
Sordid snaps of her snorting the drug and shoving it up a pal's nose was taken as she and two friends crammed into a club toilet during a wild night on the town.
Then the Mean Girls star bragged to the others: "I'm going to New York tomorrow to f*** Jude Law."
Now a friend of the 21-year-old actress says she
One night we had gone back to her place and, as always, as soon as she walked through the door she stripped down to her thong, bent down and snorted cocaine off her coffee table and then off her toilet seat."
....I know..she's 'mixed' race..multiracial... :O)
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» Oh my effin' gee.
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» When you can look at an abstract thing like "culture", which can be anything you envision it to be..
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Posted by: pito516 on May 7, 2007 12:29 PM
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In whatever we choose to do in life we need positive reenforcement and tough love to make us better people, take it how you want but I think it's time for our nation to be spanked and sent back home to get more of the same until we get it right.
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on May 7, 2007 12:54 PM
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We should censor all media for:
1. Explicit sex
2. Dirty talk
3. Immoral behaviour
Forbid corporations to peddle the filth above.
Forbid market economy.
Anybody for complet moral censorship based on moral values either left or right.
Wake up it is always the consumers choice. As in elections If morons buy Gangsta rap it will be sold, if morons vote for George W Bush or Howard Dean or John Edwards it is the voters fault.
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» Who do you like better?....
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Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 1:01 PM
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You said I make "some really great comments" on AlterNet, but my signature is "so self-promoting and self-important that it distracts the reader from the insight given to the articles posted on this site."
You also wrote "this is not the proper place to continually post with the intention of attracting hits to your site."
Please let me explain my motivation.
More than 80,000 people a week read AlterNet. Many of those visitors are NEW. Furthermore, of that group, some only look at articles which interest them. Those first-timers are the reason for my standardized signature, which I started using last December with AlterNet’s permission obtained by a long distance phone call to San Francisco.
As a result of my persistent promotion, the hits on King-George.biz, a NONPROFIT website, have increased substantially, as the following numbers show:
DEC 2006 ..... 23,196
JAN 2007 ...... 49,898
FEB 2007 .... 123,543
MAR 2007 ... 463,691
APRl 2007 ... 634,595
So I ask you, Lawstudent08. In light of President Bush’s insane war of choice with 3,377 dead U.S. military personnel and 25,000 wounded so far, would it be better that I (1) refrain from publicizing potential IMPEACHMENT evidence or (2) risk irritating a few AlterNet visitors like yourself?
I believe in law school that’s called a “rhetorical” question.
By the way, my wife is a retired attorney who agrees with me and for good reason. We both have a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.
I’m also a Vietnam veteran. In my mind, not promoting King-George.biz for fear of irritating AlterNet visitors would be act of cowardice. Given your way, apparently, I should take down my website and say to hell with being patriotic.
Cheers, Hugh E. Scott -- ONCE AGAIN, the editor of King-George.biz, the ONLY website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» "Looks tacky,'' Lawstudent08? Do you really think I care about your opinion? Get a life.
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» I agree...It is tacky at times,(Hugh..you do over do it a bit...lol)... BUT........
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» In other words, the ENTIRE human race stinks? Yeah, you got a point there...
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Posted by: TWilliams on May 7, 2007 6:27 PM
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This article is just another article that directs hate to white people just because of the color of their skin. I thought this site was above that. Racism sucks and this site is doing nothing but adding kerosene to the fire. Shame on you.
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Posted by: TWilliams on May 7, 2007 6:31 PM
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I'm against all corruption - not just what Bush has done. Shame on everyone who permits the Dems to get away with murder too. A majority of them approved the invasion of Iraq yet now everyone seems to forget that.
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Posted by: Guilty Bystander on May 7, 2007 8:39 PM
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The advertisers get an audience.
The rappers get fame, fortune, and hos.
The customers get entertainment and vicarious taste of the hip-hop life.
Moralizers of every stripe get in a few laps on their trusty hobby horses -- condemning their preferred enemies, while making excuses for their favored allies.
This is too damn useful for all concerned. Ain't a damn thing gonna change until the kids get tired of it and move to the next new thing that makes them feel cool / lines someone's pockets / and launches the next religious or secular moral crusade.
And the beat goes on...
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Posted by: maychic.com on May 7, 2007 10:17 PM
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Give a dog a bad name and hang him.
Hip hop music is not the problem. The singers are not the problem. The problem is the foul words and language of the lyrics.
It is time the African Americans address this plague which has been haunting their community for decades now and take action to combat it before it becomes cancerous and lead to their demise.
It is easy for any mad scientist to use this as an excuse to create a virus and infect the whole African American population with the intent to wipe them out.
If they can do this to the gay and homosexual community with aids, and an African country with ebola, and the Chinese with Sars, why can’t they do it to the African community?
All they have to do is give you a bad name and then devise a means to wipe you out.
And you’re making it easy or them to do this with the promotion of this vile insolent culture.
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Posted by: zipper696 on May 8, 2007 3:04 AM
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By and large they don't have any kind of singing voice, even the monotone chanting they indulge in needs tweaking on the console to stay in key and on time.
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Posted by: xbj on May 8, 2007 3:28 AM
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It's that simple. If some corporation decided tomorrow that the next big thing was going to be polka music, they could spend enough money to make it be perceived as hip and market it the right way, and make sure that it was played so much that it overshadowed everything else. Granted, it would take a lot more green to push polka music than something that NATURALLY appealed to tweens, but play the crap enough and market it sneakily enough and believe me, it would be a done deal. And would take no less than six months of saturation to do it, too.
There is a very strong racist bias at work in degrading the black community through the pop music INDUSTRY, and it's not just about money. Berry Gordy elevated the black community; today's corporations have a huge stake in degrading it, for whatever their PERSONAL reasons.
But don't blame the money. The record companies can sell ice cubes to eskimoes, and they know it. Their problem is, kids steal their crap and don't buy it anymore, and they have no interest whatwoever in servicing an aging baby boomer audience that actually still does pay for the .05% of NEW music that is aimed at them and promoted to them and that they actually miraculously are able to hear.
And blaming poor black kids of both sexes for wanting to get rich any way they can is self-defeating. Whatever paths and opportunities the corporations provide, they're going to take.
Bottom line: The market is driven and totally controlled by the suppliers, so by all means, blame them and solely them.
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Posted by: mmales on May 8, 2007 7:48 AM
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This awful article exemplifies the meanness of a chunk of aging black America that willfully ignores the serious historical lessons warning against tying black people to crime and sexual dissolution and mindlessly misrepresents its young people as more rapist, murderous, and whorish than ever before. This is a flat, dangerous lie. Mr. Ford's own generation was far more likely to rape women, kill, and commit crime than today's younger blacks, and middle-aged African Americans today (llke their middle-aged white counterparts) are a far worse generation. Soaring rates of drug abuse, crime, imprisonment, HIV, and family abandonment by middle-aged blacks have inflicted unconscionable community and domestic violence on younger people and helped drive the drug markets that create a lot of inner-city gun violence even as troubles caused by younger blacks have plummeted.
Nor can aging black America blame poverty--the average household incomes of middle-aged blacks ($55,000 per year) are the richest ever, more than twice that younger blacks have to live on. Yet, instead of having the decency and maturity to face their own troubles, a wing of older African Americans has indulged self-flattering escapism by blaming gangsta rap and other phony issues to scapegoat young people and expose them to racist fears and dangers. How on earth can this culture-war junk be "progressive"?
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Posted by: ekipnrut on May 8, 2007 11:51 AM
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article | posted February 12, 2002 (November 20, 1989 issue)
The Black Pathology Biz
Ishmael Reed
This article originally appeared in the November 20, 1989 issue. (The Nation)
Black pathology is big business. Two-thirds of teenage mothers are white, two-thirds of welfare recipients are white and white youth commit most of the crime in this country. According to a recent survey, reported by the Oakland Tribune, the typical crack addict is a middle-class white male in his 40s. Michele Norris of a has cited a study that discovered "no significant difference in the rate of drug use during pregnancy among women in the public clinics that serve a largely indigent population and those visiting private doctors who cater to upper-income patients." Yet in the popular imagination blacks are blamed for all these activities, in the manner that the Jews took the rap for the Black Plague, even in countries with little or no Jewish population.
Now that network news shows have become "profit centers," news producers have found a lucrative market in exhibiting black pathology, while coverage of pathologies such as drug addiction, child abuse, spousal battering and crime among whites and their "model minorities" is negligible. According to the news shows, you'd think that two black gangs, the Crips and the Bloods, are both the cause and the result of the nation's drug problem, even though this country was high long before these children were born.
When it comes to singling out blacks as the cause of America's social problems, NBC and CNN are the worst offenders. (The owner of CNN, Ted Turner, once proposed that unemployed black males be hired to carry nuclear warheads on their backs; when pressed he said that he was only kidding.)
Let's look at just one month: October of last year. General Electric's NBC Nightly News ran stones on child abuse, drug trafficking and cocaine pregnancy. Blacks were the actors in all these news shows, yet the August 30, 1988, front page of The New York Times reported that there is as much cocaine pregnancy in the suburbs as in the inner city. That same October, it was revealed on CNN's business program, Moneyline, that U.S. bankers have laundered $100 billion in drug money, $90 billion of which ends up overseas, contributing to the trillion dollars in debt owed by the United States, mugging millions of Americans of jobs and endangering the economic stability of the country.
Also in October, CNN did a series called "Crime in America." According to this series, whites don't commit crimes. They're either victims or on the side of the law--the line promoted by The New York Times, a black pathology supermarket that regularly blames crack use, crime, welfare and illegitimacy on black people and whose journalists and columnists still use the term "black underclass" even though studies, including Blacks and American Society, by the National Research Council, and The Persistence of Urban Poverty and its Demographic and Behavioral Correlates, by Terry K. Adams and Greg J. Duncan, have been unable to locate this underclass. Its neoconservative house organ, The New York Times Magazine, printed in its February 26 issue a puff piece about the ex-editors of the anti-Semitic, anti-black Dartmouth Review.
Earlier last year, on August 20, CNN aired a special about drug-crazed Los Angeles street gangs. It proposed that gang activities were inspired by rap music. If rap music is forcing people to sell drugs, then how does one explain the participation in this industry of a Gregorian chant-loving ex-Vatican diplomat, the Rev. Lorenzo Zorza?
END Part 1...
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Posted by: ekipnrut on May 8, 2007 3:32 PM
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A ‘Ho’ By Any Other Color: The History and Economics of Black Female Sexual ExploitationWednesday, 02 May 2007 by contributing editor Dr. Edward Rhymes
for full article see ---blackagendareport.com---
In her publication, "Female Chauvinist Pigs," New York magazine writer Ariel Levy argues that the recent trend for soft-porn styling in everything from music videos to popular TV is reducing female sexuality to its basest levels. In short: "A tawdry, tarty, cartoon-like version of female sexuality has become so ubiquitous, it no longer seems particular."
"Black women were often (and still are) portrayed as innately promiscuous, even predatory."
Kathleen Parker in her article, "Girls Gone Ridiculous," further elaborates this point: "...the message to girls the past 20 years or so has been that they can be and do anything they please. Being a stripper or a porn star is just another option among many. In some feminist circles, porn is seen as the ultimate feminist expression - women exercising autonomy over their bodies, profiting from men's desire, rather than merely being objectified by it. Self-exploitation has become the raised middle finger of women's sexual freedom." And that "raised middle-finger" in popular culture, rap videos aside, has largely been a white one.
Society, by and large, has deracialized white female sexual explicitness while at the same time strongly accentuating what is perceived as Black female promiscuity and immodesty. That message has been communicated to us time and time again on the pages of Maxim, FHM, Playboy, Penthouse and Sports Illustrated - and this list goes on. Although these mags have, in the past 10 years, featured more women of color, they are still (overwhelmingly) a celebration of white female sexual explicitness.
Ummm..when is the next scheduled 'cyber lecture' of Alternet feminist women (mostly white and their male fawning sychophants) giving sanctimonious advice on 'morality' to the
black community...just wanna save that date and time!!! :O)
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"WHAT underground?" said Paris. "Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V."
It is called do-it-yourself, make your own record label with colleagues, fellow musicians. It is not easy, but then at least their work is their work and not being marginalized. As well, there are plenty of labels that have made quite a name for themselves that started off that way.
Now if their goal is to get rich and famous and not about the integrity of their work, then that is another issue entirely.
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The film's best jokes—and Idiocracy is a very joke-dense film—trace the steady and inexorable crassification of the cultural landscape into a future where the Fuddrucker's hamburger chain has become "Buttf***er's" and Starbucks offers hand jobs along with its lattes. Nike's slogan is "Don't Do a Thing" and Carl's Jr.'s is "F**k You, I'm Eating." Slot machines in hospital waiting rooms promise a shot at free health care, and language has devolved into a mixture of "hillbilly, Valley Girl, inner-city slang, and various grunts."
Have you checked out IFL Battleground yet? Methinks we are already headed pretty firmly in the direction of "what you want, bitch!" I also loved the following from the article:
"WHAT underground?" said Paris. "Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V."
Surely it is not news to you, Paris, that most people are stupid?
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Posted by: talkville on May 14, 2007 5:57 AM
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The process is co-optation. The so-called "product" (hip hop) was FIRST expressed, THEN co-opted. It is still being expressed, in ever-diminishing degrees by real hip-hop artists. The Corporations then swept in and made it a "mass commodity" and, like in anything cultural, it was stolen and re-fashioned to generate wealth for some at the expense of the artists themselves. This is not new; it's actually normal and it happens with artistic expression of any sort. No need to blame hip hop for capitalism; that's the way capitalism works: parasites become hosts, and they feed from the direct producers of the "product" -- the original hip hop artists in this case. In hip hop, as in many modes of expression, the use of language (including the "vulgar") has a distinct purpose; self-righteous condemnation by others is no objection to that fact. Corporations will always appropriate the real that makes the real and convert it to the fake that makes the money -- for them. Hip hop is not alone in this by any means. Hopefully the real hip hoppers will keep on keeping on, despite the Morality Police, who protect the status quo.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 7, 2007 12:07 AM
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Y
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If you buy the crap.
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» The "hip hop recording industry" is like any other mindless animal.
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» Wrong
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» ITS A CONSPIRACY BY RACIST WHITES TO UNDERMINE THE BLACK YOUTH CULTURE
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» Starve the beast until it learns how to be civil. That's what I was trying to say.
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» R For once: a well stated accurate worthwhile fact based appraisal of the situation...
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» They made me do it
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» umm, actually...
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Posted by: edith on May 7, 2007 1:09 AM
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Um, is country music, rock, pop, or other commericially successful music directed to the "desireable" demographic of 18 to 24, or 11 to 24, or whatever numbers the morons who run the music media business desire, any different in their marketing strategy than wheeling & dealing hip hop? I don't think so.
There is hope for the listener willing to try independent or progressive music, whether rock(Wilco) or hip hop(Roots). The pessimistic but largely accurate article did not discuss the pebble that could slay these corporate Goliaths: downloading or direct delivery by artists to listeners. This new phenomena threaten to circumvent the "A and R" goons as well as payola (it never really left, did it?) to the radio stations.
Five years ago, who heard of ipod? MP3 downloads were mired in lawsuitis about Napster, Mozilla, etc. Now, however, the CD and the corporate(i.e., Radio One) type radio station, with all of its graft, are old, dying media distribution networks.
The corruption of pop music radio and the studio control of new artists is old(like 60 yrs. old) news. What's needed is an article on how new media and direct artist to listener distribution hold promise to bankrupt these "music" corporate scumbags once and for all.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 7, 2007 3:44 AM
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Some of the uproar about hip hop may be overstated. A lot of "metal" was the same way: make it as evil and gory as possible, and put lots of babes with big hair and ripped-up outfits in the videos.
Rap, pro wrestling, big trucks, bimbos, Nascar...It's all corporate crap that feeds off of male insecurities.
One big difference is that hair metal blew over, and satanic metal went underground. After 15-20+ years, hip-hop still won't go away.
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 7, 2007 4:22 AM
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WHo gives a fuck about hiphop, misogny, misandry, minor variations in temperature, Iran, Iraq, green shit, whatever.
Instead, just tax the fucking rich, stop taxing the poor, simply the tax system, institute single payer healthcare, fix the goddam transportation systems, stop the goddamn mass immigration, mandate 4 weeks vacation annually, no more than 40 hrs/week, lower college tuition etc.
But is that what the fakeleft talks about? Nooooo!
Just do me a favor, those of you with an open mind here. Note what percentage of articles here at the top of the Alternet page deal with fakeleft issues like this hiphop nonsense, and what percent deal with real bread and butter issues like single payer healthcare.
I have been doing this for about two years.
And Alternet is perfectly typical of the American fakeLeft establishment. These small fakeLeft nonprofit outfits like Alterbet are funded by large nonprofits like the Ford Foundation, which are set up and run by the rich in order to mold and shape the American Left so that a FakeLeft is created, a fakeLeft that does not threaten the fat wallets of the rich.
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 7, 2007 5:33 AM
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What I've always thought and felt and knew has been confirmed by this article, and I THANK this brother for writing and putting out here what needs to be put out there about Hip Hop. If it were up to me, this article would be re-printed in the New York Times, Time magazine, etc. This NEEDS to be told.
What we hear on the Radio, see on TV music channels, what CDs are sold is not under the control of Black people, corporations control it. It's a manufactured image that feeds off the basest and crudest of human nature and centuries-old racial and gender stereotypes - and that finds too many accomplices in the Black community itself to market this false and degrading image not just to this country, but to the world.
Unfortunately, Black leaders and too many Black people cannot or will not see the forest for the trees. Instead of putting the blame and the self-righteous indignation where it belongs, Black people (including I might add, Bill Cosby and his rants against Black youth) blame the victims. We get blamed. I include myself because I grew up on old-school Hip Hop, when it was still "rap" - a positive party genre that was both fun, and also spoke about the realities of urban Black youth in the late 70's and early 80's - just when corporations started co-opting and commodifying the genre and exploiting Black culture yet again.
..... read below for part 2
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Posted by: Seyazou on May 7, 2007 5:34 AM
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Read Black cultural history over the past 150 to 200 years, and you realize this is not the first time Black culture has been hijacked for the profit of those outside our community. Minstrel shows, racially derogatory ads pushing everything from tobacco to soap to cooking oil, the profits made off Jazz, then Rock N' Roll, it is a long line of exploitation. Hip Hop's exploitation continues this abhorrent tradition, and for lack of a better phrase, puts it on steroids via global mass media and the Internet. Instead of just Americans having a distorted view of African Americans, now the whole world sees it. Yet still too many Black people here buy into just what corporations wants us to believe, that any and all problems associated with Hip Hop culture is something within us, and not the machinations of A&R departments.
It was recent news here in New York City about a cell phone video that was taken of a German army officer instructing his target-practicing trainees to pretend they were shooting at niggers in the south Bronx. The German Counsel General to the UN here came to the Bronx and spoke to a group of Black men at a charter school, apologizing for the incident. That particular officer was fired by his superiors. I bring this up because German news reporters and commentators were quick to say that it is the images they see and music they hear of Black Americans that make many feel like it's okay to view Black people the way they do. Now while I feel that's utter bullsh*t (Germany is a deeply racist country even without corporate-generated Hip Hop), there is a lesson to be learned in this, and that is the power of the global distribution of these distorted images. Immigrants come to this country thinking that all us Black Americans do is hang on the street corner smoking weed, robbing, dealing drugs and pimping our women.
Instead of getting angry and railing against one's own youth, put the damned blame where it belongs. Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey and other Black elite would do well by putting some kind of pressure on corporate labels. It may not change much, but it would certainly shift the blame where it belongs. To continue to blame ourselves for ills that were created by others reinforces what Franz Fanon said so many years ago. Fanon, and also Paulo Freire (Brazilian educator and influential theorist of education whose Pedagogy of the Oppressed is what I consider to be the intellectual forefather of Fanon‘s later work) should be required reading for critics of Hip Hop, and for African Americans in general.
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Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2007 5:45 AM
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I’m not holding my breath. This fuss is all about political power, not public civility. In the end, Snoop will sell more records while Sharpton and Jackson continue inflaming the small minority of black people who believe they aren’t a dark version of the KKK.
Hugh E. Scott, editor of the forthcoming JohnQPublic4PRESIDENT2008.com and King-George.biz, the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: wagadog on May 7, 2007 6:31 AM
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Even nice Catholic girls are unsafe from the depredations of these creeps. When the Burns Sisters were signed by Capitol, there was this female video producer that wanted them to dress all slutty and even wear S&M gear for their video. They said "No" and lost their contract. Of course, Capitol just found someone else to do the bidding of the music masters.
Thank God the Burns Sisters are still recording -- for Rounder Records, not Capitol.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on May 7, 2007 6:38 AM
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TRANSLATION:
The toilet bowl overflowed, driven by marketing money and polluted the airwaves of the US.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 6:40 AM
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 6:51 AM
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If they had a shred of care for children, they would STOP participating in this vileness that has destroyed a generation of children and continues to perpetuate gang violence, violence against woman, the dumbification of youth. There would be no cRAP to market if these bling-glock-pimps would WAKE UP and STOP selling their vomit under the guise of "art" to the evil corporations who destroy a generation of youth while calling it "entertainment." BLAME THE RAPPERS FOR BEING GREEDY AND PUTTING THEIR "MUSIC" OUT THERE.
They would all do better getting jobs as math teachers.
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» "...as resources dry up, conflict increases....it really is that simple..." Too many humans, eh?
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Posted by: sausage on May 7, 2007 6:53 AM
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Then a friend, who worked at a very square radio station, stopped by with a demo record of Run-DMC's "You Be Illin'." Laughed until I thought I'd die. Long story short, after that experience Rap didn't seem all that bad, just formulaic like all popular musical styles, even a little silly at times (remember Tone-Loc's "Funky Cold Medina.")
But the genre really hit its stride with the white pre-teen and teenage crowd with the rise of gangsta rap during Ronald Reagan's second term and George H.W. Bush's administration. And I asked myself: Why?
Then, as I delivered mail in lily white suburbia and heard the strains of gangsta rap, it dawned on me. Corporate America was pushing the stuff because it scared the shit out of the parents of the suburban teens who bought the CDs and where glued to the videos of the likes of The Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac Shakur on MTV after school. It reinforced the old negative stereotypes of inner city blacks are over-violent, over-sexed near-subhumans. The perfect formula for driving nominally "liberal" anti-Vietnam War white suburban Democrats into the folds of reactionary Republicanism.
Face it, Alternet readers, we really are not "free" in the United States. We are collectively under the thumbs of marketing firms, that in turn control the poltical process. Thus as it is with "gangsta rap" so it is with abortion, gun control and the entire list of phony balony and bullshit "issues" on which we are collectively hung up.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on May 7, 2007 7:30 AM
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You want me to go to Beverly Hills and stop upper middle class white women from shopping? Sorry, I'd rather be out here trying to read, write, and do math with city kids.
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Posted by: elfinito on May 7, 2007 12:33 PM
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I don't see how you can possibly argue with this quote????
Where did anyone ever say the advice above was for Black Parents or Black Culture...not all parents and all culture? She never once even hinted that...you just assumed it? As for giving advice...when ya'll bitch about public perception and the largest selling consumer goods in Black Communities all revolve around these images/lyrics/diamonds/shoes/etc... that are propogated predominantly by Black artists...we have a right to "give advice." Either don't bitch about the black image, or do something about the black culture that propagates it!!!!! I live in the Heart of Brooklyn...and the images and styles portarayed by Gangsta-Rap are almost invariably the image and style of the Black/Latino teens in my area. Don't get me wrong, I think the is just as bad for all teens; teen pop-culture on all-levels has become the same bull-shit. Intelligent music has lost its place in the pop music of every category...
Personally, I have no problem with gangsta rap...certainly will never buy it for myself, but thats just my taste. I prefer Jurassic-5, Lyrics Born, The Roots, Common, Arrested Development, and all the other rappers that actually ahve something to say, thats either (1) entertainment by appealling to a bit more than our lowest base instincts (sex, money and power), or (2) Culturally poignant.
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Posted by: ilene on May 7, 2007 7:05 AM
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Consumers and artists have to show some integrity and say enough!
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Posted by: The Big Raven on May 7, 2007 7:21 AM
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Be who you are I really dont need you to shake that fat stinking ass in my face or run around with a gun killing others for doing the same pretty frigging stupid! Its all FAKE just like diamond encrusted teeth and flava flav I gonna puke!
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Posted by: elfinito on May 7, 2007 9:53 AM
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The product in rap...is the MUSIC...created by artists, that sell it to the corporation. Yes the corporations could stop selling it...but hell, the people demand it and buy it. The problem here is that the CONSUMER is getting what they want, and the corporation is giving it...as long as the consumer demands this (and no comnsumer would ever demand being harassed at McDonald's) any corporation will provide it. Its called Supply and Demand!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on May 7, 2007 11:12 AM
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Women Now Empowered By Everything A Woman Does
OBERLIN, OH—According to a study released Monday, women—once empowered primarily via the assertion of reproductive rights or workplace equality with men—are now empowered by virtually everything the typical woman does.
"From what she eats for breakfast to the way she cleans her home, today's woman lives in a state of near-constant empowerment," said Barbara Klein, professor of women's studies at Oberlin College and director of the study. "As recently as 15 years ago, a woman could only feel empowered by advancing in a male-dominated work world, asserting her own sexual wants and needs, or pushing for a stronger voice in politics. Today, a woman can empower herself through actions as seemingly inconsequential as driving her children to soccer practice or watching the Oxygen network."
Klein said that clothes-shopping, once considered a mundane act with few sociopolitical implications, is now a bold feminist statement.
"Shopping for shoes has emerged as a powerful means by which women assert their autonomy," Klein said. "Owning and wearing dozens of pairs of shoes is a compelling way for a woman to announce that she is strong and independent, and can shoe herself without the help of a man. She's saying, 'Look out, male-dominated world, here comes me and my shoes.'"
Eating energy bars specially fortified with nutrients "for women" has become a feminist trend, as well.
"Unlike traditional, phallocentric energy bars, whose chocolate, soy protein, nuts, and granola ignored the special health and nutritional needs of women, their new, female-oriented counterparts like Luna are ideally balanced with a more suitable amount of chocolate, soy protein, nuts, and granola," Klein said. "Proto-feminist pioneers like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony could never have imagined that female empowerment would one day come in bar form."
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Other acts of empowerment include gossiping about the sexual proclivities of male acquaintances, lunching with other women in small groups, taking calcium-rich antacid tablets, and reading The Nanny Diaries.
The study also cites the act of pumping one's raised fist in a gesture of female solidarity against the oppressive forces of air pressure.
"Nearly 90 percent of study participants have done this at least once in their lives, often accompanying their action with the exhortation 'You go, girl!' or, simply, 'Whooooooo!'" Klein said.
Perhaps most remarkably, the mere act of weight gain is now regarded as a feminist act. Though some women express reservations about the negative impact of obesity on one's health, overweight women display a level of assertiveness, or "sassitude," that thinner women lack.
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"Of course, women can be empowered by losing weight, too," Willets added. "Pretty much any change in weight—up or down—is empowering."
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"Not every woman can become a physicist or lobby to stop a foundry from dumping dangerous metals into the creek her children swim in," Klein said. "Although these actions are incredible, they marginalize the majority of women who are unable to, or just don't particularly care to, achieve such things. Fortunately for the less impressive among us, a new strain of feminism has emerged in which mundane activities are championed as proud, bold assertions of independence from oppressive patriarchal hegemony."
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LINDSAY Lohan, fresh from rehab, has been pictured taking part in a marathon cocaine binge.
Sordid snaps of her snorting the drug and shoving it up a pal's nose was taken as she and two friends crammed into a club toilet during a wild night on the town.
Then the Mean Girls star bragged to the others: "I'm going to New York tomorrow to f*** Jude Law."
Now a friend of the 21-year-old actress says she
One night we had gone back to her place and, as always, as soon as she walked through the door she stripped down to her thong, bent down and snorted cocaine off her coffee table and then off her toilet seat."
....I know..she's 'mixed' race..multiracial... :O)
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» RE: Miss WHITE AAAAAhmerica......Why are the antics of a few rap
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» RE: Miss WHITE AAAAAhmerica...... my point with Lohan...
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» RE: Miss WHITE AAAAAhmerica...... my point with Lohan...
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» RE: Miss WHITE AAAAAhmerica...... my point with Lohan... OK.......
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» Oh my effin' gee.
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» When you can look at an abstract thing like "culture", which can be anything you envision it to be..
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In whatever we choose to do in life we need positive reenforcement and tough love to make us better people, take it how you want but I think it's time for our nation to be spanked and sent back home to get more of the same until we get it right.
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on May 7, 2007 12:54 PM
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We should censor all media for:
1. Explicit sex
2. Dirty talk
3. Immoral behaviour
Forbid corporations to peddle the filth above.
Forbid market economy.
Anybody for complet moral censorship based on moral values either left or right.
Wake up it is always the consumers choice. As in elections If morons buy Gangsta rap it will be sold, if morons vote for George W Bush or Howard Dean or John Edwards it is the voters fault.
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» Damn..as soon as I'm ready to leave...another idiot poster pops up
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» Who do you like better?....
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You said I make "some really great comments" on AlterNet, but my signature is "so self-promoting and self-important that it distracts the reader from the insight given to the articles posted on this site."
You also wrote "this is not the proper place to continually post with the intention of attracting hits to your site."
Please let me explain my motivation.
More than 80,000 people a week read AlterNet. Many of those visitors are NEW. Furthermore, of that group, some only look at articles which interest them. Those first-timers are the reason for my standardized signature, which I started using last December with AlterNet’s permission obtained by a long distance phone call to San Francisco.
As a result of my persistent promotion, the hits on King-George.biz, a NONPROFIT website, have increased substantially, as the following numbers show:
DEC 2006 ..... 23,196
JAN 2007 ...... 49,898
FEB 2007 .... 123,543
MAR 2007 ... 463,691
APRl 2007 ... 634,595
So I ask you, Lawstudent08. In light of President Bush’s insane war of choice with 3,377 dead U.S. military personnel and 25,000 wounded so far, would it be better that I (1) refrain from publicizing potential IMPEACHMENT evidence or (2) risk irritating a few AlterNet visitors like yourself?
I believe in law school that’s called a “rhetorical” question.
By the way, my wife is a retired attorney who agrees with me and for good reason. We both have a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.
I’m also a Vietnam veteran. In my mind, not promoting King-George.biz for fear of irritating AlterNet visitors would be act of cowardice. Given your way, apparently, I should take down my website and say to hell with being patriotic.
Cheers, Hugh E. Scott -- ONCE AGAIN, the editor of King-George.biz, the ONLY website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.
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» "Looks tacky,'' Lawstudent08? Do you really think I care about your opinion? Get a life.
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» I agree...It is tacky at times,(Hugh..you do over do it a bit...lol)... BUT........
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» "Straw man?" Come on, Lawstudent08, admit it. You aren't in law school. High school -- maybe.
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» Bah. It's up to the alternet moderators/editors...
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» In other words, the ENTIRE human race stinks? Yeah, you got a point there...
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» exposing the moral poverty of racist/elitist feminism
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This article is just another article that directs hate to white people just because of the color of their skin. I thought this site was above that. Racism sucks and this site is doing nothing but adding kerosene to the fire. Shame on you.
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» Paris Hilton?
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I'm against all corruption - not just what Bush has done. Shame on everyone who permits the Dems to get away with murder too. A majority of them approved the invasion of Iraq yet now everyone seems to forget that.
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Posted by: Guilty Bystander on May 7, 2007 8:39 PM
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The advertisers get an audience.
The rappers get fame, fortune, and hos.
The customers get entertainment and vicarious taste of the hip-hop life.
Moralizers of every stripe get in a few laps on their trusty hobby horses -- condemning their preferred enemies, while making excuses for their favored allies.
This is too damn useful for all concerned. Ain't a damn thing gonna change until the kids get tired of it and move to the next new thing that makes them feel cool / lines someone's pockets / and launches the next religious or secular moral crusade.
And the beat goes on...
Guilty
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Posted by: maychic.com on May 7, 2007 10:17 PM
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Give a dog a bad name and hang him.
Hip hop music is not the problem. The singers are not the problem. The problem is the foul words and language of the lyrics.
It is time the African Americans address this plague which has been haunting their community for decades now and take action to combat it before it becomes cancerous and lead to their demise.
It is easy for any mad scientist to use this as an excuse to create a virus and infect the whole African American population with the intent to wipe them out.
If they can do this to the gay and homosexual community with aids, and an African country with ebola, and the Chinese with Sars, why can’t they do it to the African community?
All they have to do is give you a bad name and then devise a means to wipe you out.
And you’re making it easy or them to do this with the promotion of this vile insolent culture.
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Posted by: zipper696 on May 8, 2007 3:04 AM
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By and large they don't have any kind of singing voice, even the monotone chanting they indulge in needs tweaking on the console to stay in key and on time.
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It's that simple. If some corporation decided tomorrow that the next big thing was going to be polka music, they could spend enough money to make it be perceived as hip and market it the right way, and make sure that it was played so much that it overshadowed everything else. Granted, it would take a lot more green to push polka music than something that NATURALLY appealed to tweens, but play the crap enough and market it sneakily enough and believe me, it would be a done deal. And would take no less than six months of saturation to do it, too.
There is a very strong racist bias at work in degrading the black community through the pop music INDUSTRY, and it's not just about money. Berry Gordy elevated the black community; today's corporations have a huge stake in degrading it, for whatever their PERSONAL reasons.
But don't blame the money. The record companies can sell ice cubes to eskimoes, and they know it. Their problem is, kids steal their crap and don't buy it anymore, and they have no interest whatwoever in servicing an aging baby boomer audience that actually still does pay for the .05% of NEW music that is aimed at them and promoted to them and that they actually miraculously are able to hear.
And blaming poor black kids of both sexes for wanting to get rich any way they can is self-defeating. Whatever paths and opportunities the corporations provide, they're going to take.
Bottom line: The market is driven and totally controlled by the suppliers, so by all means, blame them and solely them.
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» Listen to.....
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» WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF CLASSICAL MUSIC?
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This awful article exemplifies the meanness of a chunk of aging black America that willfully ignores the serious historical lessons warning against tying black people to crime and sexual dissolution and mindlessly misrepresents its young people as more rapist, murderous, and whorish than ever before. This is a flat, dangerous lie. Mr. Ford's own generation was far more likely to rape women, kill, and commit crime than today's younger blacks, and middle-aged African Americans today (llke their middle-aged white counterparts) are a far worse generation. Soaring rates of drug abuse, crime, imprisonment, HIV, and family abandonment by middle-aged blacks have inflicted unconscionable community and domestic violence on younger people and helped drive the drug markets that create a lot of inner-city gun violence even as troubles caused by younger blacks have plummeted.
Nor can aging black America blame poverty--the average household incomes of middle-aged blacks ($55,000 per year) are the richest ever, more than twice that younger blacks have to live on. Yet, instead of having the decency and maturity to face their own troubles, a wing of older African Americans has indulged self-flattering escapism by blaming gangsta rap and other phony issues to scapegoat young people and expose them to racist fears and dangers. How on earth can this culture-war junk be "progressive"?
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article | posted February 12, 2002 (November 20, 1989 issue)
The Black Pathology Biz
Ishmael Reed
This article originally appeared in the November 20, 1989 issue. (The Nation)
Black pathology is big business. Two-thirds of teenage mothers are white, two-thirds of welfare recipients are white and white youth commit most of the crime in this country. According to a recent survey, reported by the Oakland Tribune, the typical crack addict is a middle-class white male in his 40s. Michele Norris of a has cited a study that discovered "no significant difference in the rate of drug use during pregnancy among women in the public clinics that serve a largely indigent population and those visiting private doctors who cater to upper-income patients." Yet in the popular imagination blacks are blamed for all these activities, in the manner that the Jews took the rap for the Black Plague, even in countries with little or no Jewish population.
Now that network news shows have become "profit centers," news producers have found a lucrative market in exhibiting black pathology, while coverage of pathologies such as drug addiction, child abuse, spousal battering and crime among whites and their "model minorities" is negligible. According to the news shows, you'd think that two black gangs, the Crips and the Bloods, are both the cause and the result of the nation's drug problem, even though this country was high long before these children were born.
When it comes to singling out blacks as the cause of America's social problems, NBC and CNN are the worst offenders. (The owner of CNN, Ted Turner, once proposed that unemployed black males be hired to carry nuclear warheads on their backs; when pressed he said that he was only kidding.)
Let's look at just one month: October of last year. General Electric's NBC Nightly News ran stones on child abuse, drug trafficking and cocaine pregnancy. Blacks were the actors in all these news shows, yet the August 30, 1988, front page of The New York Times reported that there is as much cocaine pregnancy in the suburbs as in the inner city. That same October, it was revealed on CNN's business program, Moneyline, that U.S. bankers have laundered $100 billion in drug money, $90 billion of which ends up overseas, contributing to the trillion dollars in debt owed by the United States, mugging millions of Americans of jobs and endangering the economic stability of the country.
Also in October, CNN did a series called "Crime in America." According to this series, whites don't commit crimes. They're either victims or on the side of the law--the line promoted by The New York Times, a black pathology supermarket that regularly blames crack use, crime, welfare and illegitimacy on black people and whose journalists and columnists still use the term "black underclass" even though studies, including Blacks and American Society, by the National Research Council, and The Persistence of Urban Poverty and its Demographic and Behavioral Correlates, by Terry K. Adams and Greg J. Duncan, have been unable to locate this underclass. Its neoconservative house organ, The New York Times Magazine, printed in its February 26 issue a puff piece about the ex-editors of the anti-Semitic, anti-black Dartmouth Review.
Earlier last year, on August 20, CNN aired a special about drug-crazed Los Angeles street gangs. It proposed that gang activities were inspired by rap music. If rap music is forcing people to sell drugs, then how does one explain the participation in this industry of a Gregorian chant-loving ex-Vatican diplomat, the Rev. Lorenzo Zorza?
END Part 1...
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A ‘Ho’ By Any Other Color: The History and Economics of Black Female Sexual ExploitationWednesday, 02 May 2007 by contributing editor Dr. Edward Rhymes
for full article see ---blackagendareport.com---
In her publication, "Female Chauvinist Pigs," New York magazine writer Ariel Levy argues that the recent trend for soft-porn styling in everything from music videos to popular TV is reducing female sexuality to its basest levels. In short: "A tawdry, tarty, cartoon-like version of female sexuality has become so ubiquitous, it no longer seems particular."
"Black women were often (and still are) portrayed as innately promiscuous, even predatory."
Kathleen Parker in her article, "Girls Gone Ridiculous," further elaborates this point: "...the message to girls the past 20 years or so has been that they can be and do anything they please. Being a stripper or a porn star is just another option among many. In some feminist circles, porn is seen as the ultimate feminist expression - women exercising autonomy over their bodies, profiting from men's desire, rather than merely being objectified by it. Self-exploitation has become the raised middle finger of women's sexual freedom." And that "raised middle-finger" in popular culture, rap videos aside, has largely been a white one.
Society, by and large, has deracialized white female sexual explicitness while at the same time strongly accentuating what is perceived as Black female promiscuity and immodesty. That message has been communicated to us time and time again on the pages of Maxim, FHM, Playboy, Penthouse and Sports Illustrated - and this list goes on. Although these mags have, in the past 10 years, featured more women of color, they are still (overwhelmingly) a celebration of white female sexual explicitness.
Ummm..when is the next scheduled 'cyber lecture' of Alternet feminist women (mostly white and their male fawning sychophants) giving sanctimonious advice on 'morality' to the
black community...just wanna save that date and time!!! :O)
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"WHAT underground?" said Paris. "Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V."
It is called do-it-yourself, make your own record label with colleagues, fellow musicians. It is not easy, but then at least their work is their work and not being marginalized. As well, there are plenty of labels that have made quite a name for themselves that started off that way.
Now if their goal is to get rich and famous and not about the integrity of their work, then that is another issue entirely.
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The film's best jokes—and Idiocracy is a very joke-dense film—trace the steady and inexorable crassification of the cultural landscape into a future where the Fuddrucker's hamburger chain has become "Buttf***er's" and Starbucks offers hand jobs along with its lattes. Nike's slogan is "Don't Do a Thing" and Carl's Jr.'s is "F**k You, I'm Eating." Slot machines in hospital waiting rooms promise a shot at free health care, and language has devolved into a mixture of "hillbilly, Valley Girl, inner-city slang, and various grunts."
Have you checked out IFL Battleground yet? Methinks we are already headed pretty firmly in the direction of "what you want, bitch!" I also loved the following from the article:
"WHAT underground?" said Paris. "Do you know how much good material is marginalized because it doesn't fit white cooperate America's ideals of acceptability? Independents can't get radio or video play anymore, at least not through commercial outlets, and most listeners don't acknowledge material that they don't see or hear regularly on the radio or on T.V."
Surely it is not news to you, Paris, that most people are stupid?
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The process is co-optation. The so-called "product" (hip hop) was FIRST expressed, THEN co-opted. It is still being expressed, in ever-diminishing degrees by real hip-hop artists. The Corporations then swept in and made it a "mass commodity" and, like in anything cultural, it was stolen and re-fashioned to generate wealth for some at the expense of the artists themselves. This is not new; it's actually normal and it happens with artistic expression of any sort. No need to blame hip hop for capitalism; that's the way capitalism works: parasites become hosts, and they feed from the direct producers of the "product" -- the original hip hop artists in this case. In hip hop, as in many modes of expression, the use of language (including the "vulgar") has a distinct purpose; self-righteous condemnation by others is no objection to that fact. Corporations will always appropriate the real that makes the real and convert it to the fake that makes the money -- for them. Hip hop is not alone in this by any means. Hopefully the real hip hoppers will keep on keeping on, despite the Morality Police, who protect the status quo.
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