Makes me want to watch the view. She is kicking ass.

If burning diesel could melt steel, it wouldn't be very useful as a fuel for motor vehicles now would it? The collapse of building 7 remains officially unexplained and the proferred rationale that burning diesel fuel is the cause is unsupported by the facts.
Go out and buy yourself a piece of I-beam and some diesel and try and recreate the event.
Personally, I sure am glad god invented the acetylene torch.

9-11 was an inside job. I am glad that Rosie has the courage to speak out and ask questions. Our country's future depends on the truth being told.

There has yet to be an official explanation regarding the destruction of WTC 7. The unofficial quasi-government explanations have been thoroughly debunked.

If anyone has not seen the video of WTC 7, I highly recommend you google it and watch it. While watching it keep in mind that the destruction of this building shows ALL eleven signs of a textbook controlled demolition, which are:

Sudden Onset: In controlled demolition, the onset of the collapse is sudden.

Straight Down: The most important thing in a controlled demolition of a tall building close to other buildings is that it comes straight down, into, or at least close to, its own footprint.

Almost Free-Fall Speed: Buildings brought down by controlled demolition collapse at almost free-fall speed.

Total Collapse: Through the careful placement of explosives a controlled demolition achieves a near total collapse of the target building.

Sliced Steel: In controlled demolitions of steel-frame buildings, explosives are used to slice the steel columns and beams into pieces.

Pulverization of Concrete and other Materials: Another feature of controlled demolitions is the production of a lot of dust, because explosives powerful enough to slice steel will pulverize concrete and most other non-metallic substances into tiny particles.

Dust Clouds: Yet another common feature of controlled demolitions is the production of dust clouds, which result when explosions eject the dust from the building with great energy.

Horizontal Ejections: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is the horizontal ejection of other materials, besides dust, from those areas of the building in which explosives are set off.

Demolition Rings: Still another common feature of collapses induced by explosions are demolition rings, in which a series of small explosions run rapidly around a building.

Sounds Produced by Explosions: The use of explosives to induce collapses produces, of course, sounds caused by the explosions.

Molten Steel: An 11th feature that would be expected only if explosives were used to slice the steel columns would be molten steel.

WTC 7 fell in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 on 9/11/01, some 23 minutes AFTER both the BBC and CNN had reported that it had "collapsed." Neither broadcaster has explained their foreknowledge of this unprecedented event. Numerous members of both the FDNY and the NYPD reported hearing explosions in the building before and while it came down.

Do the research, find out for yourself.

It's time to take our country back, brothers and sisters.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Protect Rosies right to speak her beliefs and in doing so you protect your right to speak in opposition. It is with many differing ideas and opinions expressed that we move forward, past just inventing the wheel. Will we ever know the truth behind 9/11?

rosie spins in so many directions that she's bound to point the right way sometimes by sheer luck. The problem is that she raises issues(so do most people on alternet, often with more experience and understanding of complex issues) and then, after she makes her sound-bite newsworthy quoted outrageous points, whirls away to the north, east, south or west, to raise a dust devil of hot air somewhere else.

People with loud annoying voices unfortunately have a way of attracting attention. It probably has something to do with evolution. Noise=survival in the nest/womb?

I'm no expert on the topic, but here are some links to information from people who are.


good explanation of the problem with "grand conspiracies" in geneneral
another articla about that topic by the same author as above
popular mechanics debunks 9/11 conspiracy theories
debate: popular mechanics vs. loose change part 1
debate: popular mechanics vs. loose change part 2

3 more videos of the debate are available on youtube, search "popular mechanics loose change"

As the article suggests, Rosie speaks many truths that most of us are afraid to say. It's as if the cost of "free speech" has become so high that only the most reckless, obnoxious big mouths have the nerve to exercise it any more.

I like when she beats up on that little mall rat. I like it even better when Rosie and Joy both beat up on her at the same time, while Barbara watches.

Joy is classier and cooler. As chatter-hens go, she's a better spokesperson for the good guys, but I'd hate to see her get the heat that Rosie gets, so maybe she's better off in her shadow.

Popular Mechanics is owned by the Hurst Corp. An obvious and blantant right wing corp. with a vested interest in protecting the right even if it means lieing. (not a problem for the right). Read "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". It refutes all the Poplular Mechanic's "debunks".

"Rosie O'Donnell Takes Fire in the Debate Over 9/11"

There is no "Debate Over 9/11" as this article suggests -- there is a BLACKOUT in the mainstream media when it comes to this topic...hence, NO DEBATE. All of this debate is happening out here in cyber-land. And even though millions if not tens of millions of Americans are doing research on this topic nowadays, it warrants hardly a peep from the (Zionist controlled) mainstream media.

If the 9/11 "truth movt." is perchance briefly mentioned in the mainstream media (again, only rarely, and then only VERY briefly), the people associated with the movt. and those that challenge the official account of that day are often referred to as "conspiracy theorists," "crackpots," "loonies," "dangerous subversives," "un-American," etc.

Rosie is one of the only high-profile Americans on record that has challenged the official account of 9/11. The fact that someone as inane as her (a daytime TV personality?) has now become a figurehead of sorts for the "truth movt." only makes the people associated with the movt. seem even more loony and pathetic. In other words, the 9/11 "truth movt." needs a better spokesperson...and fast!

I hope Rosie can reach the people who wouldn´t normally consider these things.
I also hope msm stops attacking her and looks at the questions she raises, small hope I know.

Rosie is right on with her comments. You go, girl!

Bill O'Reilly and Rosie O'Donnel are only TV entertainers put on our TV screens for the purpose of attracting viewers who will watch the commercials that generate income for the TV companies.

These people's words are of no consequence to anyone, and if they want to have a verbal brawl similar to a physical brawl outside an Irish pub at closing time, why should anyone care?

If people are offended by what the entertainers are saying, it is easy to change channels, put on a DVD, or switch the TV off. Maybe viewers could just go to an Irish pub and watch other Irish people fight?

Sometime, somewhere you need to take something to be the truth. But if you cling to it too strongly, then even when the truth comes in person and knocks on your door, you will not open it.

BUDDHA

I am not a conspiracy theorist, yet I cannot completely dismiss the possibility of this administration’s involvement in 9/11 in some way, probably political. But misguided or not, isn’t the most important thing that so many Americans would believe this administration and our government in general to be capable of such an act? What a massive vote of “no confidence” this is! As for Rosie, who I know only by reputation, well, she probably should have been a bit more circumspect in the expression of her opinion on this matter, but it is just that: her opinion, and she’s entitled to it even on TV.

Good on you, Rosie. It is people like O'Reilly and the R-Wingnuts who need to be brought to heel / fired / locked up / impeached. Perhaps they could read the Constitution in their free time?

Rosie is right on. POPULAR MECHANICS is toilet paper. Wake up America!

He sounds like a right wing psycho who hates "Liberals" and (as usual) has no facts to back up his tirades. This is why I've been just deleting AlterNet for the last month w/out bothering to look at the articles. I gave it one last chance. AlterNet's been taken over by right wingers. I'm convinced. Thank God for Rosie's big mouth. Why should the right wingers be the only big mouths? Maybe Joshua can tell us.

Sorry AlterNet, but you're wrong about Rosie. She's smart, honest, and has bigger balls than any of you. But, most important, she's right. There are too many facts to support her opinions, and too many reasons for AlterNet not to. AlterNet, you are being duped. Wake up, please.

More amazing than what Rosie said was what the goofy chick on screen right was saying....that she trusts Bush. That going into Iraq was the right thing. That's amazing!!

. . . a Michael Moore movie, and you saw the look on Bush's face when the aide whispered in his, Bush's, ear -- he, Bush, knew. He knew, he knew, he knew what was happening and he knew before it happened. You could see it in his face that he knew. There isn't a doubt in my mind that the World Trade Center devastation was an "inside job." I also don't understand how our country has any right to go into another country and make war and I don't care the reason they think they have a right.

Think, people ... think --

Rosie is a citizen who is not timid to ask questions ... and say what is obviously so.

Like ... why is it that Usama Bin Laden is NOT wanted by the FBI for 9/11?

linked text

... or -- from:

From 'WWW.911WEKNOW.COM' ...

linked text

The Independent Thinker’s
9/11 FACT SHEET

What occurred on September 11th, 2001 is a matter of
facts, physics and unprecedented violations of national
protocol by American officials themselves. Here are
10 points to consider. There are hundreds more.

1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.

2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers.

3. Multiple air-defense drills were planned for the morning of 9/11. These exercises left only two fighter jets available to protect the entire Northeastern United States.

4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in the
exact manner of a controlled demolition.

5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania – only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.

6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open air. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could cause the towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.

7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to 8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at 30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.

8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from the Twin Towers’ collapse was carted away and the steel sold and shipped overseas
without examination.

9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two airlines involved in 9/11 – American and United. Federal law protects their identities.

10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery through litigation.

ASK QUESTIONS -- DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.

DB

I am pretty tired of Joshua Holland trying to dispute 9/11 being an inside job. You are wrong. Someday it will come out, and you will feel very stupid.

Finally, a public figure asks the obvious, burning, crucial question. There is little doubt in my mind that 9/11 was an inside job, but I assumed this would go the way of the Kennedy assassination. The public gets so easily distracted and easily intimidated by taunts of "conspiracy theorist."

Fact: Kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy.
Fact: The official explanation of 9/11 is not plausible.

Wake up everyone.

I really loved to watch the O'Reily part in the link. I think anyone outside of the US should watch that and learn something about the mentality of the right wing Americans.

First of all, they did not attack her for the issues she razed, like the fact that the WTC7 was mysteriously imploded, that part, they choose not to discuss. And what did they quoted? The "outrageous" "rant" about the "support the terrorists".

This is the democracy in action, you are free to say anything as long as you do not see anything "they don't like" and then you will loose your job or your head.

I really had problem watching the Rosy show, the show is way way way too annoying for me. But, I had to force myself to see what it is about. And I have to say that she had some very good points, unfortunately her point was covered with the constant noise in the background of all those silly bla bla bla ladies.

/Farhad

Whenever there are unanswered questions a conspiracy theory fills the vacuum. JFK's assassination spawned several such theories; the latest one in a recent issue of Rolling Stone reported that E. Howard Hunt told his son that LBJ ordered it. The theory that the Bush Administration ordered the hit on the World Trade Center, though highly improbable, is not so far beyond the moon as to attract only cranks and crackpots. Rosie is neither. She is among those who think that, even if the Bushies didn't plan the attack, they are certainly capable of doing so. After all, they had no qualms about causing the deaths of thousands of our own military and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. What is interesting to me are not Rosie's comments, which are shared by many Americans, but the vehemence of the reaction against her right to speak her mind. When scumbags like Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarborough start beating the drums to censor her, then you know that the right-wingers have something to hide. For even if the Bushies didn't plan the attacks of 9/11, it's not much of a jump to say that they callously used those attacks to instigate wars that they were itching to start ever since they took office.

Yet another article on Alternet that makes me question just where the site is coming from. What "edge" has Rosie possibly crossed? Why does not accepting the official white wash wrong? This article did exactly what the right wing echo chamber does. By calling what she said a "conspiracy theory" you marginalize her regardless of the validity of her comments. I expect more from Alternet.

She can simply use the "Glen Beck Defense" right?

"Aren't I just saying what everyone thinks anyway?"

LOL

I've not been a big Rosie fan, but I give her two thumbs up for her action: trying to remind America of the fact that there has not been a real investigation into the demolition of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, nor the missile attack on the Pentagon.

Notice how:
1) Those on the Left put out evidentiary theory in the form of scientific fact and the those on the Right resort to casting aspersions on the messengers.

2) Ignorant people don't like their beliefs challenged even in light of overwhelming evidence..


There is no god! All religion is a farce; and 9-11 was an inside job!

Rosie O'Donnell is a sensibly brave woman. We need more, far more like her who are not afraid to speak out.
But then, I'm in Britain and women here would usually rather express the resultant meanness than admit that they are scared by what the globalist militarist junta & their stoolpigeon politicians are doing to all sentient life on this planet.

For Juntawatch.org

Josh...you've opened my eyes to the reality of AlterNet. Thanks a lot!

"The American Empire and 9/11"


by
David Ray Griffin, Prof. emeritus of philosophy of religion and theology at Claremont School of Theology, author of THE AMERICAN EMPIRE and the COMMONWEALTH of God"


His article on this topic was published in this month's TIKKUN [Hebrew for mend, repair, transform the world] Magazine

YOU can read it and respond:

www.tikkun.org

The WTC attacks as they happened from a van across the Hudson in Bergen Co., NJ. They were there before the first plane hit, they were dancing in celebration, and lighting cigarette lighters in front of the camera lens like baby boomers at a rock concert calling for an encore. There were local news reports of this at the time, and it all went away very quickly and was hushed up. Where is the videotape they shot? Maybe the wrong people are being accused of the "inside job". I also want to know what happened to the security camera footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon from the Sheraton National (airport) hotel up the hill from the Pentagon. Supposedly, it shows the whole event from a really good perspective, but the videotape was confiscated right after the event and has never been publically shown.

I don't know if the buildings were wired to implode. But there are many unanswered questions, and the attitude of the Bush administration towards the use of the attacks to carry out their aggressive war policy just seems too pat.

More despicable than the right wing loons.

Always willing to engage in ad hominem and falsehoods to maintain their neo-mockingbird control on the left.

Never willing to debate or discuss the actual data and science.

Always hiding , always obfuscating.
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Rosie? You just keep speaking your mind and advocating for truth because the gatekeeping sites like alternet will never do so. And the MSM will always support their corporatist sponsors.

Oh, and Joshua, ya ever wanna honest debate? I bet not. Better for you to hide amongst the shadows.

dr richard welser
forensic neuropsycologist

anyone at all?

No one will know for sure what the real reason of the collapse of the WTC one, two and seven. Because no scientitst evidence was collected before it was removed.

Rosie may not be correct in her conclusion, but the attack of September 11,2001 is a crime. And no criminal investigation was made before the evidence of the crime was removed.

This should be investigated: Why did not the FBI, New York state and local police investigate the crime evidence before it was removed?

I dare you to discover the truth

“What's unfortunate about the incident – and others involving celebrities jumping on the 9/11 conspiracy theory bandwagon – is the opportunity cost”

That “cost”? Bush regime ties (shared by surface political snakes from DC to London) to “terrorist financiers” at “the Saudi Royal family” along with “energy policy” with a “toll of American militarism” are what’s rehashed and recycled here.

Holland neglects to mention he is a serial defender of the official DC 911 conspiracy theory. The one about how evil genius bin Laden (alias CIA asset Tim Osman) and hung-over cave boys with WalMart tools pulled off 911.

And a clear and peer reviewed 911 cover-up as the Eveready engine for phony “war on terror” Inc? Ah, well that’s apparently good business by J. Holland, and the faux “left” from Alternet to poodle whorehouse Washington. It’s all sweet plantation limited hangout.

Yep, DC in the pocket of organized corporate crime is innocent till proven guilty on 911 “war on terror”. This, as the U.S. shreds the Bill of Rights in the wake of Pearl Harbor conspiracy, Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy , Operation Gladio, Operation Ajax , Operation Mockingbird, an ersatz “leftwing” press and 20 democracies killed by CIA overthrow since WW 2 as millions died for corporate monopoly.

So, Gullible Americans get to believe Big Oil trillions under Eurasia and Mid East are just Kool-Aid, not means, motive or opportunity for 911 cover-up.

What Rosie O’Donnell dared speak on 911 was not “unfortunate”. It was merely overdue. Worse than “unfortunate” is this retread, transparent crock on 911.


“I saw papers that show the U.S. knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes… I gave [the 9-ll Commision] details of specific investigation files, the specific dates, specific target information, specific managers in charge of the investigation. This is not hearsay. These are things that are documented.”
MRS. SIBEL EDMONDS (former top-level FBI translator who gave closed session testimony to the 9-11 Commission. The Bush/Cheney administration silenced Edmonds with a court gag order citing the rarely used “state secrets privilege”. 4/2/04)

“It was a good thing for Israel…We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”
SIVAN KURZBERG (Israeli spy caught after celebrating with his team on the New Jersey shore as jetliners struck the WTC twin towers. Kurzberg and his team declared knowledge of the “terrorist” act when such information was not known. Kurzberg and at least two other members of his team were “Israeli intelligence operatives”. Sivan Kurzberg, his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari were arrested by the FBI and released to Israel due to intense pressure from Tel Aviv and Washington 9/11/2001)

You have to be an idiot to believe the official conspiracy theory put out by the criminal corporate cabal news networks, including PBS, and the government. You're just a moron if you believe that crap.

The events of 9/11, if thoroughly examined, will reveal much more than the official lies about two professionally demolished buildings. Any honest investigation (which I very much doubt will ever take place) will lead right to the very top of the ruling elite, who ordered the attacks on the WTC in order to have an excuse to invade and conquer the Middle East.

Why? Well, its fairly obvious at this point that control of the oil was one of the biggest reasons that the invasion of Iraq took place. Now the same thing is happening to Iran.

Let's face it, the entire US government is deeply complicit with 9/11 and all the evil that it has spawned. All elected representatives and thousands of other "power brokers" in DC and elsewhere know exactly what happened on that day and why. In short, there is no "honest" entity with enough national credibility to examine 9/11 in anything approaching an unbiased manner.

That's where "left-wing gatekeepers" like Holland come in. Working in conjunction with the right-wing screech-monkeys, the gatekeepers quickly label any movement to get at the truth of 9/11 as a "conspiracy theory" because, like the right, they have a stake in making sure that the status quo remains, and that the populace continues to go about their daily lives, caring only for American Idol and other such bs, rather than waking up and demanding answers to some very obvious questions.

I still believe that sites like AlterNet are a vital source of information, but don't be fooled -- their agenda is obviously not a truly progressive one and when "push comes to shove" the site administrators will always toe the government line.

With all respect to Mr. Holland, I think this debate is being conducted by idiots on both sides. The thing about conspiracy theories (and debunking conspiracy theories) is that they give the ignorant and powerless an opportunity to pretend to be knowledgable and important.

To say that you know that it is an inside job is absurd. To say that you know otherwise is just as absurd. Scientists and pseudo-scientists will make claims to sell books, and others will make claims to the contrary for the same reason, as well as to appear knowledgeable and important (like Rosie).

Was the US government responsible for the people who died on Sept 11th? I don't know. But I do know that WE (as in the American public) are responsible for the people killed in retribution.

number killed on September 11: 2,973
number killed in retribution: AT LEAST 700,000

Do we not care because they are brown?

Note that the number above does not include casualties from Afghanistan. I haven't seen a tally of the dead from Afghanistan. I suspect it is because they are even browner than the Iraqis.

I don't care about September 11th. I don't care if George Bush ordered 911. I don't care about the 2973 people killed in that attack. I am too busy worrying about the new genocide we are about to start, and the ones STILL IN PROGRESS.

This is something that we CAN do something about. This is something that we CAN be less ignorant about. Or we can obsess over one terrorist event that happened one day 6 years ago, and watch our country get obliterated over a skinned knee.

Disclaimer: If a close friend or immediate family member was killed in the September 11th attack, you have my worthless permission to continue your grieving process any way you see fit, within the normal bounds of human decency.

The rest of you are fucking idiots.

Sittin on the fence is ok I spose but the paranoia is it? of the govt hiding every damn thing connected with the attacks on that day esp the one surrounding the pentagon ( the most unlikely truth so far in this debate I think) really sets the debate up for conspiracy suspicion. Given the fact that govts lie lie lie constantly to control the masses, what else are people to think.
Ten Points for Rosie keeping it in the media.. no matter what she thinks.
Neil

... might just start throwing nuclear bombs on Iran over Easter. Rosie has now brought the whole 9/11 thing out in the open in a way even the mainstream media can't ignore - and the heat is on for Bush. Bush is a deranged lunatic, whose sick mind might just be telling him that God wants him to go ahead as mooted and start bombing Iran beginning this Friday. How convenient of God to be doing just that right now: it will create a massive distraction away from all the clamour, and the planned rallies, for his impeachment and for his hide.
Brilliant article, Mr. Holland! Wow, what a ploy, to pretend that that rubbishy Popular Mechanics stuff is worth the paper it's printed on, and to actually say that "Nobody knows the precise sequence of events that brought Building 7 down, but claiming that the collapse defied physics is patently ridiculous"! We know that it was the only way you could write about 9/11 and escape your sponsors’ censure. The more articles about 9/11, any articles, the more people discuss and research for themselves (interesting, there are thousands of eye-witness accounts and the crimes themselves have been recorded in their minutiae by the world’s media, now all on the Internet. Doesn’t happen very often!) I admit, it takes a lot of courage to pretend to be as stupid as Bill O'Reilly, just so you could write about 9/11 and get people talking! Our thanks! :-)
No, we don't know how they did it or who did it. All we know for sure is that those were controlled demolitions using unconventional explosives and chemicals (perhaps even thermo-nuclear devices), and that those planes were probably radio-controlled. (That Dutch demolition expert who said it was a controlled demolition (“zeker weten” – for sure) didn’t know it was Building 7 and did not know that it had come down on the same day.) And we also know for sure a whole lot of circumstantial things, such as that Giuliani shipped the evidence - some of the evidence, a minor part - off quick smart, and that there was three-way contact between Pakistani officials, Bush administration officials and the alleged hijackers, and a whole lot of other things. Who did it, who knows! But all the evidence points to Bush and friends. And Johnny Howard, prime minister of Australia, continues to support Bush (with the Iraqi oil grab. Hey, Johnny, that oil isn't the US's, you know, any more than Texan oil, or our own Timor Straits oil, belongs to the iraqis! And here’s something else you may not have thought of: the Iraqis, and now the Iranians Bush is so eager to bomb, are people, with real feelings about their lives being blown to smithereens and their loved ones being killed).
Good on ya, Rosie! (But in your eagerness to tell the world the truth you may have just started World War Three.)
Robert Hoogenboom
Sydney, Australia

I'm glad someone of the stature of Rosie O'Donnell had the courage to speak out on the incidents surrounding the 9/11 debacle.

The fact that a worthless shill like Bill O'Reilly instantly shot from the lip means she touched a right-wing nerve. We need to rip those nerves out. The sooner the better!

I sincerely hope Rosie doesn't back down.

Skywolf.

The same people that listen to people like Rush Limpballs and Manne Coulter, who should be arrested and charged with incitment. I have questions about wtc 7, but reserve judgment until another investigation is started by a QUALIFIED independent commission.

And you call yourself a journalist writing this kind of garbage?

You good buddy are a hack just like most of the other fourth estaters defending the lunatics running the asylum. Why can't you see the forest for the trees? What are you so afraid of?

Hope you took my advice and figured out your server problems so you can manage the flood. You got almost 100 comments and it's only 9:30 EST. If not, well, You'd think the Ford Foundation could pony-up a little more dough to give you the tools you need to be a real media venue. But then again, maybe that's not the goal.

I find it sourly amusing that Alternet and other sites will excoriate BushCo for lying about practically everything, from Social Security to Plan D to Abu Ghraib to WMD to the economy to you-name-it--yet choose to swallow the whole 9/11 BushCo story lock, stock, and barrel.

BushCo lied about everything except this, it would seem. BushCo lies practically pathologically, virtually continuously (and Cheney can't seem to stop)--but about 9/11 we should believe BushCo. Totally.

Yeah, right. Sure, I believe that. Suckers.

Joshua finds himself fighting to defend Bill O'Really and the official conspiracy theory.

Wonder what he will be doing next year., because...

"A lie cannot live." MLK

I believe George Bush and his neocons would lie about anthing.

Nobody of any scientific inclination would ever read popular mechanics, or any other magazine that is published by major corporations. In it you can see articles about the counterclaim against global warming, the impossibility of hydrogen powering cars (at least until they can find a way to charge for it/prevent people from extracting it for free), and any other type of crap (advertisements) disguised coming to a Best Buy or Wal-Mart near you.

Rosie... good for you... as someone else already said... you've got more balls than alternet... aol's recent survey only confirms how many people are so deeply brainwashed that they can't even possibily respond in a critical way to any type of theory that contradicts their suburban worldview... everyone... TURN OFF YOUR TV's... they are stealing your lives and time... imagine... we are getting excited over someone on THE WORLD'S GREATEST MONOLOGUE actually presenting a critical position? The message of this story is that THE MAJOR MEDIA IS DEAD... all 4 of them.

:O)

Alex Jones reported the conspiracy on 9/11 two mos. before it happened. Go to infowars.com and you can listen to his radio show which is very enlightening.
Also google terror storm for almost 2 hrs of video of Jones' factual study of wars that will blow your mind.
Alternet is disappointing in their reports but from what I've seen dems and reps are one and the same. All big business thugs. Ron Paul is a candidate to consider...we need a candidate who doesn't have Israel in their hip pocket.

Kudos to Rosie for taking this conversation on air. It's one that many of us have been having since 911. Freedom is a struggle and if we are ever to be free of lies again, we must fight this struggle with our very lives.

Back to you, Rosie

Although I find Rosie truly obnoxious most of the time....I APPLAUD anyone who has the forum, AND THE BACKBONE to speak out!

Anyone who STILL believes that 9/11 has anything to do with Iraq/Saddam has got blinders on. There has been TONS of evidence indicating this WAS an inside job. It's not the first time a government has perpetrated a crime on it's own people to get the support to do other atrocities. One of JFK's own military advisors concocted such a plan---except JFK was so disgusted with the thought, that person was kicked out of the administration.

I'll never forget the day of 9/11....before ANYTHING was really known, one of my first thoughts after the damage was assessed was "How the hell could buildings that tall come straight down like that and cause almost NO damage to the surrounding buildings? What are the odds?!?!?!" And with time....story after story has come out. GEEZ all anybody has to do is connect the dots to see it was an inside job by the Bush administration. Look at all the stock options on bldg 7 within the week before. Look at videos, and discussions between firefighters and others around the buildings who heard all the consecutive explosions. Why hasn't ANYONE in the media publicly interviewed these people? It no different from the JFK assassination---people who saw or heard things were told to be quiet, some threatened.

THANK YOU ROSIE! Keep up the good work! Wish I knew how to add some support to what you're saying. I believe the Bush administration is just PURE EVIL! And the sooner we're rid of them the better!

I'm tired of morons telling people who DO support the military, but DON'T support Bush, or who speak their opinions that we're unpatriotic. To those people......I say BITE ME!

I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but I do agree that Americans should be getting news from media outside the US as well as US sources. The BBC, Guardian, The Times of London, various other sources, are a good start. If nothing else, you will get a wider appreciation of what is going on in the world and varying viewpoints on the issues.

I grew up outside the US in the 1960's, though I am a native born American. I learned a lot from listening and watching the media outside the US. Short wave radio is a good way to keep up, too. They are cheap and very available.

We have not rejected the idea that we could suffer real blow-back Mr. Holland, we just don't think that blow-back explains what happened on 9/11, and with very good reason. On the other hand, we have Chomsky like a modern day Procrustes trying to fit 9/11 into his worldview by chopping off the bits (the HUGE bits) that don't fit in with his pet theories. Sure, if you ignore half of the facts or more, you can make a plausible case for 9/11 having been blow-back, but if you're going to ignore facts you could just as easily blame 9/11 on little green men from Mars. Instead, what the facts (all the facts that can be reliably verified) reveal is the not shocking fact that arab muslims probably had nothing to do with the events except to have been framed so as to galvanize public opinion behind the president's policies--not on their own merits but by a knee-jerk response that could have been foreseen by the blindest of the blind--aptly summed up as "let's kill us some ragheads".

In fact, it's not hard to see where people like Noam Chomsky run into personal problems with what happened on 9/11. With it's very existence threatened not by evil arabs but by the simple fact that it is an illegitimate and abusive state, Israel found that with the election (such as it was) of George W Bush that a slew of amoral and rabidly pro-Zionist hacks had come to power in the US. Whoever came up with the idea of demolishing the world trade center and blaming it on murderous arabs--whether American neocons or Israeli hawks, the facts are uncomfortably clear--in addition to the financial windfall for the military industrial complex, Israel presumably found its only friend in the world smacked into unthinking allegiance with those who are threatened by the existence of strong arab states like Iraq and Iran. Enter Larry Silverstein, who signed a 99 year lease on the WTC complex six weeks before 9/11, insuring it heavily against terrorist attack. Silverstein is not only a Zionist, he spoke weekly on the phone with none other than Israeli hawk Netanyahu. Circumstantial evidence such as this is not in itself conclusive, but circumstancial evidence in sufficient quantities is at least enough to warrant a closer investigation. We can add to this disturbing set of facts the presence of Israeli agents in New York that morning behaving more than suspiciously--the so-called Dancing Israelis are yet another unexplained aspect of 9/11 that undermines the official story.

Sadly, no nation or peoples are immune from bad leadership, as we in America well know. Why should we hesitate, when our very survival and personal safety is at stake, to impugn the integrity and motives not just of our domestic tyrants but of those in Israel, who indeed have a history of framing arabs for crimes they themselves committed (see for one the Lavon Affair)? Those of us who dare point out these unthinkable facts are routinely and without exception decried as bigots and hatemongers. Wethinks they doth protest too much! To deny a priori the possibility that 9/11 was intended by its planners and executors to usher in a new era of fanatical anti-arab and muslim feeling and that as such fanatical partisans of Israel--both American and Israeli (and in some cases like that of Michael Chertoff, who released the dancing Israelis, both--he is a dual citizen) is the height of folly, whether you are Jewish or not. In fact, plenty of Jews understand this, but are afraid of the consequences that are in store for "self-hating Jews" as evidenced by the existence of groups like the JDL (a terrorist group per the FBI) and webistes like www.masada2000.org. To stand by or worse yet actively participate when the "anti-semite" or "self-hating" smears are used to discourage investigation of Israeli and American involvement in the events of 9/11 is tantamount to assisting criminals hiding behind genuine concerns of bigotry, and that is unconscionable given the stakes.

I applaud Rosie McDonell for her candidness in speaking her mind, I still believe in the right of free speech, and I do not think all of her assertions are way off base. We have clearly seen how this administration will lie and cloak relevant information in secrecy. The Corporte scandals of this decade have scarcely been dealt with appropriately, and the links with administration and how this government does business are way too clear. There is a saying that "When fascism comes to America, it will be cloaked in the flag and the bible." I think that is what is happening today. I only hope the will of the people is strong enough to succeed in restoring a free, open and honorable society here in the U.S. My long hope has been for several in this administration to be impeached, and some tried for war and other crimes.

that is not unexplained. Larry Silverstein admitted it.

check it out

infowars.com

we may never know if LIHOPS or MIHOPS was the case, but we are not in the dark about building 7...

Rosie is usually way off base but this time she is right right right!!!!!!!!!!!!! She will be a major target for the Beast from now on.

open for discussion.I watched it that day,and thought it was great.Not because she was right,but because she was questioning the accepted view.Bush was no hero that day-ANYONE could have stood atop rubble-he was careless-ignoring warnings for months.She said she didn't know what happened.Since when is wanting to know the truth bad?She said she'd like to hear it from an expert-i'd agree with that,too.

Rosie is usually way off base but this time she is right right right!!!!!!!!!!!!! She will be a major target for the Beast from now on.

Ok, so maybe we can debunk one of the many claims laid out in Loose Change. But what about all the points made? are those all easily explained, perhaps yes. I watched it, the points made about the pentagon raised questions. I dont take one source as gospel but appreciated someone else raising the questions.

In the mean time we have been fed many lies by those in positions of power and the media panders to them. Isn't it refreshing to know that when ABC built its media empire they didn't buy the first amendment?

Rosie hasn't crossed the line... it's Nazis that are fighting her by trying to get her fired like Limbaugh, Colter, Hannity, and O'Lieliy and useful fools like Danny Bonaduce who go on their shows and say she should be executed for treason FOR SPEAKING HER MIND that have CROSSED THE LINE.

Message to ALL NEOCON UBERNAZIS: This is STILL America, people STILL have brains (unlike the borderline retarded you pander to) and the right to EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS AND CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY when they are RESEARCHED AND VALID, and guess what? You're running out of time, your days are numbered, and you will never be allowed to infest this free country ever again.

No wonder you're out of your minds with lying vicious desperation... your god is about to be impeached at the very least, and at the most, tried and executed for treason, with many of you right along with him.

I'd be crapping my pants right now too.

and find a top billing story on one brave woman who has stuck her neck out and tried to wake up the brainwashed masses...and what do i find when they get me over to their site to read the article? An author who is SLAMMING her. I can't tell you how much this has enraged me. I've been sitting here trying to calm down about it. anybody else mad?

the government doesn't tell its people the truth! We are left to search it out on our own. I don't know what explination is the correct one, But I am certain the one our government gave us ...is not it! Not even close!

I like that Rosie isn't afraid to speak out about how she feels, and that is a rare commodity on the boob tube these days.
She is trying to get some answers to these questions many of us have about what really happened. I think the problem some have with Rosie isn't what she is saying but how she says it. The way she puts things right out on the table , seems to be a great way for people who oppose her to dismiss her as "over the top". But many people myself included agree with her , in the fact that our governments story doesn't add up!

If I were on a TV show , damn right I'd be using it to sream "Wake up America!!!!" and break the hypnotic spel befallen this countryl! Mainstream media is all about the doubletalk and mindless slogans and propaganda ( again like rosie said "read 1984" ) and they have used it to rock this nation into a seemingly sleepy trance like state. Rosie is just serving as an alarm clock , thankfully people are waking up and realizing "we ain't in Kansas anymore".

I don't know for sure if the conspiracy theories re: 9/11 are true or not. I don't believe any one in the public does, due to the black-out and cover up. But SOMETHINGS about the events of that day are not being told. There is way too much speculation out there to not realize that there are problems with, and holes in the generally accepted "official" story. At this point, I wouldn't be suprised at anything our governement does! And that is a very sad thing to have to say.

Another great source for information concerning events leading up to, the day of, and following 9/11 is the book by Michael C. Ruppert called "Crossing the Rubicon".

Two more that give a glimpse of what is really going on in the world re: US foreign policy are "The Bush Agenda...invading the world one economy at a time" by Antonia Juhasz and "Failed States" by Noam Chomsky.

Bravo to Rosie. She's got guts. She feels exactly as I do. I know nothing for sure other than there is a lot that is wrong with the "offical" story.

Rose is the Ann Coulter of the left. She is fueled by hate...not hate of groups of people, but hate directed at our screwup prez. While Rosie's hating someone for specific and valid reasons is much better than Ann's broad, stereotype-based hate, it still leads to crappy politics and irrational positions.

It was Bush and his bedmates the Saudis. Period. Osama was the Patsy for the entire thing, he's always been a Bush CIA double agent. The "dancing Israelis" were documenting the entire thing to have blackmail evidence on Bush, and that's what they were celebrating and excited about, NOT about the towers falling and people dying. That is also why the government let them go an hour later, they already had video taken earlier of Marvin Bush's security team WIRING THE TOWERS and have been blackmailing BushCheneyCo with it ever since. That's why Sharon is still alive as a vegetable indefinitely, he left orders that upon his untimely death the tapes would be released. Didn't work, they killed him anyway. And the Israelis are in the clear, they tried to warn every single agency more than once about the coming attacks, and they were ignored at every turn. That's when they decided to document it, so it couldn't be pinned on them. They will not end up like every Bush ally before them with the inevitable knife in the back.

So it's safe, pull your heads out of the sand and do the research. It wasn't "the Jews". We can face the truth now.

A great new video:

911 Justice

Rosie O'Donnell Takes Fire in the Debate Over 9/11:

Go Rosie! The facts are out there. The whole world is watching. Wake up America. Wake up. The deck chairs are slipping, the ship is sinking.

9/11 was supposed to "bring U.S. together". Perhaps it now will bring us all together. Now is the time for all human beings to come to the aid of the world.

Thank you "The View" for letting Rosie speak about the 9/11 WTC inside job. The rest of the world has been speaking about it for quite some time. See http://www.dataoptions.com/political/911links.htm for list of 9/11 WTC links.....

Aimee
DataOptions.com

I am sorry that you can't question the more elaborate 9/11 conspiracy theories on Alternet without getting flamed.

I think I understand, emotionally, where it's all coming from -- outrage over the way the Bush Administration has exploited the hell out of a national tragedy, using it to further each of their poisonous and stupid agendas. And also, it's a way of saying, "there's nothing these guys won't do -- nothing so evil that it's beyond them."

But none of that is hidden or mysterious. The ignored warning memos from the summer of 2001, the way the Bush Administration defunded anti-terrorist efforts -- those are a matter of public record. The fact that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, not from Afghanistan, and certainly not Iraqi -- not a secret. The fact that the Bush Administration had a pre-existing agenda that involved invading Iraq -- also not a secret, and confirmed by things that are now a matter of public record such as the Downing Street Memos.

In fact, 9/11 conspiracy theorists make me kind of angry, because I think they are diverting attention from the obvious and undisputed sins of the Bush Administration, and getting bogged down in pointless discussions about the melting point of steel. I don't know more than Popular Mechanics about the physics of building demolition, and neither do they.

Anyway, it doesn't fit the pattern. 9/11 came off perfectly according to plan, and if it was an inside job, there have been no incriminating memos or e-mails left behind to prove that fact. Does that really sound like the Bush Administration?

And before anyone casts stones, they better damn well do the research. And I mean ALL OF IT, not just the Nazi crap spewed by Nazi propogandists.

Until you do, you've essentially got nothing of any value to say, and certainly no valid criticism of anyone who HAS DONE THE RESEARCH.

So get off your butt or shut up.

It's incredibly refreshing to hear this said by Rosie in this medium seen by tens of thousands of people. There are, in fact, tens of thousands of us who also believe as Rosie does...and those that negate this are the biggest fools. "Hear no evil, see no evil" takes on new meaning these days.

William Rodriquez! A national hero, he saved lives, bush called him a hero..he unlocked the stairwells for the firemen. HE also HEARD and FELT bombs go off in the sub basement level before he heard the Boom from above, the plane hitting WTC. he gave testimony at the 911 commissions report, but they left it out! He reported what he seen and heard to the FBI..they ignored him. He saved lives, his co workers came running up from basement all burned from bombs..read his story, and then ask why ALternet does not interview him. A real life hero who witnessed the bombs...Google William Rodriquez, then go to You tube and search him out...lots of footage , and then www.911blogger.com William needs to go on The View .. that would shut liz up. Rosie is a hero, and anyone else who is willing to speak up. Notice Billo did not show a video of WTC7....would have made him look stupid!
also, for some very influential people who support truth in 911 visit: http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

The event looked exactly like a controlled demolition. Why would discussion/investigation be considered as lunatic fringe stuff? It makes no sense to deny what your eyes have seen because others are unable accept that the official explanation may not be true.

I admire Rosie for broaching a touchy subject. It's sad how people are shunned for bringing up critical questions.

As someone mentioned here, what if Bushco allowed it to happen? It sure seemed as if they were trying to ignore the "Bin Laden determined to attack US with airplanes" briefing that Condoleeza was carrying. Or the important intelligence briefing that (I forget) a CIA or FBI agent brought to Crawford Texas.

If they weren't purposely ignoring the warnings, then they are the most incompetent people on the planet.

And maybe there would be fewer conspiracies if an actual, in-depth investigation was held. There are so many odd ocurrances that went unexplained. What do you think is going to happen??

Shame on Holland for failing to stand up for Rosie when she is being lambasted by right-wing talking heads.

The most important thing to note is that she's exercising free speech and criticizing the government, and everyone (including liberal media as in Holland) is shutting her down.

Whether the questions she raised about the falling towers are scientifically sound (whatever that means in post-modernity) is not the point. If she and thousands of other Americans can believe that, what does that say about ur current administration? If she can say that on the air and not be immediately canned, what does that say about how power has shifted in the past few years?

Alternet, in this "shrouded hit piece" on Rosie, for speaking the truth about 9/11, and holding up "Popular Mechanic's" hit piece on 9/11 truth seekers as the gospel . . . has joined the ranks of FOX Noise.

Alternet made the amazing claim that Rosie lacks the insight of "experts," and shoots from the hip. The fact is that nearly 100 high level military and intelligence experts have said that we were lied to about 9/11, and many saying unequivocally it was an inside job. See:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

The facts are on Rosie's side. Physics Professor Steven Jones has exhaustively studied the collapse of the WTC towers and Building 7, and discovered "fire could NOT have brought down the towers." He also found in WTC debris analysis traces of the patented controlled demolition steel cutting agent "thermate."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904
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Weeks after 9/11 molten steel was found in the rubble of WTC towers and Building 7. This defies physics. Two other buildings in the complex saw raging fire and damage, but did not collapse . . . and guess what . . . did not have molten steel in their rubble.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
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Also, Alternet and the so-called "liberal media" has shamefully ignored the disturbing fact that the BBC mysteriously reported that Building 7 collapsed 23 MINUTES BEFORE IT WAS ACTUALLY TO COLLAPSE. Yet, the BBC refuses to tell us who told them it would, when even according to the 9/11 Commission report the collapse of Building 7 was a complete surprise to everyone in the world, except of course the BBC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEtqN04Hl7w

There are other problems as well with the official story. GLARING PROBLEMS, such as why did America's air defenses and Pentagon defenses completely collapse while four commercial jetliners circled the most protected air space in the world for an hour and a half with not one US fighter interceptor arriving until it was too late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGoEOlQkzMA

EDUCATE YOURSELF ON 9/11, DON'T TRUST GATEKEEPERS LIKE ALTER-NET ON THIS.

ROSIE DESERVES OUR SUPPORT, AS DOES CHARLIE SHEEN.

When a truly crucial issue for the neocons (translation: "new world super-criminals") appears, Alternet will side with them... Two resent examples: 9/11 Truth movement, and ... "The Secret" movement. Anytime a subject is covered by Alternet and it sounds a lot like a column written by Bill O'Reilly (CI*A operative and unofficial United States Minister of Propaganda) you can be sure this a hot issue that the "elite" would prefer to be "swept under the carpet". It's obvious why the "elite" would want the 9/11 topic extinguished... They planned 9/11 and conveniently CREATED a new enemy in order for the "elite" to move forward in their centuries old quest to take over the planet... The soon to be at your doorstep, "New World Order".

"The Secret" is a threat to them, as well, due to it's personally empowering nature. The "elite" don't want a movement empowering free thinkers... They need to keep the masses right behind the next sheep in line on the way to the confessional... once there, everyone can absolve themselves of their insanely self-centered imperialistic sinful ideologies and continue to focus on themselves and erase the world's underclass from their memories. They wouldn't want people to think that they just might be able to change this world's sick, unGodly direction with their own creative and compassionate thinking.

Can anyone out there direct me to a REALLEFT news website?

...Mr. O’Reilly, I believe you suffer from a serious personality disorder, as it is obvious you are driven to dominate, are quick to anger, and are indifferent to the fate of others. In short, you suffer from social aggression, also known as bullying. I also tend to believe you are a sadistic sociopath and secretly revel in the fate of your victims.

For instance, it is not enough to simply disagree with Rosie O’Donnell—you are determined to have ABC fire her, even if this results in the destruction of the popular television show where she exercises her First Amendment right. As for the billionaire Mark Cuban, apparently involved in an effort to distribute the film “Loose Change,” you would have “thrown his butt in jail.” It is simply not enough to disagree with your victims—you are determined to make them suffer.

However, your affliction is particularly apparent and disturbing when it comes to the comedian Al Franken, who lampooned you in a popular book. I can only imagine what you would do if locked in a room with Mr. Franken for fifteen minutes. I am sure it would be worse than what you did to Jeremy Glick, whose father died in the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center. Rumor has it Mr. Glick had to be escorted out of the Fox studio pronto, as you experienced violent urges after the interview.

In order to better understand your illness, I read the entire Andrea Mackris sexual harassment complaint. It was not the lewdness of the document—the Caribbean shower fantasies, the telephone sex, the masturbation after interviewing porno stars—that disturbed me, but rather the degree of your authoritarian bullying and the way you completely exploited the fact she worked for you and felt indebted to you in order to advance her career. After reading the document, I wanted to take a shower, suffice it to say not Caribbean.

Of course, as a wealthy celebrity, all it takes is a lot of money to make problems disappear, and that is apparently what you did in regard to Andrea Mackris, as the media at the time speculated you paid her between $2 and $10 million to go away. Indeed, Mackris went away—but you remain saddled with your serious mental and behavioral problems, the fetid passel of it all eagerly and shamelessly enabled by Ruppert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and Fox News, to say nothing of an indeterminable number of reactionary neocon wannabes.

Finally, it would be sincerely interesting to examine the results of a psychometric assessment conducted in your case. I suggest Adorno’s F-scale personality test, which gauges authoritarian aggression, destructiveness, projectivity, and sex. I bet your results would be a bell ringer.

Incidentally, the “F” stands for Fascism.

Sincerely, Kurt Nimmo

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I think there is another opportunity cost here, and that is the lost opportunity of welcoming 9/11 dissenters into the greater dialogue. The stridency of the responses on this page is a result of the extent to which we find real 9/11 debate dismissed, even at alternet et al, where we would expect to find more open minds.

There are many issues that make people get involved - war, abuse of power, stolen elections, the betrayal of New Orleans. Searching for 9/11 truth and exposing the government cover-up are every bit as worthy and important. The 9/11 researchers and activists have earned their place at the forum of public debate.

It's funny, once you mention 9/11 conspiracies, all these engineers come out of the woodwork. They start talking about melting steel, Pentagon walls, jet engines, seismic activity, and whether a tennis ball will knock down a beeramyd.

Seriously people, you're not engineers, quit pretending and rely on logic.

If 9/11 were a conspiracy involving global hawk, explosives, so on and so on, how many people would have had to know?

1000 or so?

How many people have came out and said, "I was part of the conspiracy, protect me from the US Government!"

None. And I'm sure someone is going to now drop a name of some guy in his basement with a tin foil hat on.

Rosie is single-handedly ruining her career. I'm sure she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't make it accurate. It's funny with these "hollywood" personalities. They have to understand that the public will pay to watch their movies for entertainment, but that does not mean we want to hear their liberal rantings too. If I want to know what is going on in the world, I am certainly not going to turn to people like Rosie or Sean Penn for the news. They don't like the President or his administration, big deal, a lot of people don't. To suggest that 9-11 was an inside job is a stab in the heart to anyone who lost a loved one on that horrific day. Republican or Democrat, we should stand behind our leaders for the sake of our country and our troops. I will not watch The View again.

pull off a huge thing like 9/11? They couldn't even invade a country right; how on earth could they make all the pieces of 9/11 fall into place?

Why it is you put so much creedence into a talk show is unbelievable to me. I don't watch The View because I work for a living and can't afford to stay home and watch tv. If people are going to let their better judgements be swayed by a group of cackling hens then they are doing a disservice to themselves. What makes you think that millions of Americans are swayed by what Rosie O'Donald says?? Anytime any one pisses off the Right Wing, the Right Wing naturally goes "ape" about it and starts making it more of an issue than it really is. Whatever caused tower 7 to crumble doesn't really concern me anymore. All governments lie when its convenient for them to do so. What's new about that?? Delving into conspiracy theories does nothing to address the problems we are faced with when a President continues to perpetuate lies and is openly contemptuous of those who disagree with him.

In the end, I don't think you accomplished anything by focusing attention on Rosie's remarks. Rosie has never swayed the politics in Washington D.C. It's one opinion. And opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!

I can't help but picture Josh Holland with his eyes clenched, his hands over his ears, and his tongue stuck out shouting "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!" like an angry kid. There is some sort of insecurity here that makes him unwilling to take alternative theories on the subject of September 11th at face value. His reasons always seem based on how the left will be perceived by the mainstream. Again, this seems childish, like the need for validation by the mainstream media is, in the end, more important than looking at the facts. He's saying that the left will lose credibility with the mainstream if it proposes ideas that are too radical. The opposite is true. The left loses credibility by bowing to pressure and censoring itself. If the left continues to propose things that the mainstream wants to hear, it will continue to allow the "center" to be pushed further and further to the right.

To say that Rosie's remarks about steel were "patently ridiculous" is to use the language of O'Reilly and Scarborough. Even the title of his piece, ending with "Has she crossed the line?" smacks of the mainstream's desire to shift opinion with seemingly benign framing. What line? Who defines this line?

It's time Josh Holland stop letting whatever insecurity he has about facing this debate push his journalism away from impartiality and integrity. In truth, "Has she crossed the line?" sounds like a set-up from Fox News and nothing else.

Rosie O'Donnell is raising legitimate questions. She is not promoting theories, just asking questions that have not been raised in the national arena until now. This country was traumatized on 9/11, and we have not dealt with it. Instead we've been talked at, manipulated, lied to, and bushwhacked into a heinous war of aggression, with all the horrors we know about, and countless more that we don't. The government and the media, owned by and deferential to monolithic corporate interests post-deregulation, have utterly failed to properly and openly investigate what happened on 9/11 -- and before -- and since. BushCo is the most lying, traitorous, amoral bunch of criminals ever to take power in our country, we know that. How can anyone accept their version of 9/11 without question?

Rosie is speaking as an American citizen: she is not nor does she proclaim to be an expert. And there you have it: a comedian, bloggers, and a hobby shop magazine as our sources. That in itself proves the point that our institutions have failed us. It also shows that the spark of democracy still glimmers. The most patriotic thing all of us can do in this moment is to persist in asking questions. Progressive organizations like AlterNet must unite in calling for a national inquiry, with substantive investigation and debate from independent researchers, scientists, historians, and analysts.

Like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, my other heroes of the day, Rosie has the comedic gifts to help us laugh at the venal absurdity that has engulfed our country. The laughter releases pain, so we are no longer paralyzed by the agony of living under BushCo, and are empowered to take action. Rosie is stepping out of character -- on broadcast network television! -- to raise questions that deeply concern us all. Bless her courageous soul.

We need more people like Rosie who speak out against this Empire tyranny. Mr. Holland must be a spy from the right, otherwise I can't see why AlterNet would allow such erroneous dribble. And the line "crossed the line" is exactly what Fox News would say. Why tolerate or even publish an article like this? Anyone who has done even just a little bit of research can see the many lies surrounding 9/11. The most telling of all is a BBC TV show that shows Bldg 7 still standing in the background while the anchor person talks about it as if it has already been destroyed. How did he know it was going to be destroyed??? This is live footage. Believe your eyes. Yet, where did this story go. Where was the mainstream media on this. This video sits on my desktop. Apparently Mr. Holland has not done any research on these facts. Otherwise why would he write such an article. And what a goof by Alter Net for putting it here. Everybody knows that mainstream media always begins its stories with these kinds of setup, e.g. "crossed the line,"some people say," Hooray for Rosie. Shame on AlterNet!!!

great footage from msm

Joshua, since you're an obvious CIA plant, can you get me a deal on a secret decoder ring?

Leaving aside for the moment the central question (Why anyone cares what Rosie O'Donnell thinks about anything?), all this does is bring the 9/11 conspiracy conjecturers out of the woodwork again.

9/11 was not an inside job. Thermite, which so many of these conjecturers claim was the "explosive" used to bring down the buildings, is not an explosive at all - it is an incendiary. It can not "slice" through steel beams, that requires shaped HE charges, and in many cases, likely including this, due to the size and scale of the "demo", prepping the structural steel with some well-placed torch cuts. Given enough thermite, and enough time, it might be able to melt through a steel beam, while leaving unanswered how to synchronize those meltings like the HE used to bring down structures. (Burning is much less predictable than high explosives, which by definition propagate combustion at faster than the speed of sound, and are detonated electrically, most in synchrony, some delayed for "directional" control using solid state electronics.

That also leaves aside the amounts of preparation time necessary to set enough charges and wiring - unobserved and in working buildings, no less - required to bring down structures of that size. Holes in walls, structural steel exposed, cutting torches in play, a profusion of wires strung around, and all those unexplained workers and mysterious packages being secured to the steel. Not likely at all, let alone that everyone involved could possibly be expected to keep quiet about it. And then the remote detonation (needed for safe distance, obviously) in an RF-rich environment that would likely have done wonders as far as setting things off prematurely and in the wrong order.

Too many unlikely things need to have happened in exactly the proper order, with no one talking for years outside a conspiracy involving literally thousands of people, (consider the likelihood of that!), for the 9/11 conspiracy conjecturers to be anywhere approaching right on this.

And who cares what Rosie O'Donnell thinks about it anyway?

Rosie's IQ is inversely proportional to her weight.

While 9/11 conspiracy theories are interesting, people obsessed with them also believe in UFOs and the Bermuda Triangle. Stupid, stupid – STUPID!

On a more serious note, Rosie has shown her ignorance on "The View" towards mental illness, which is unforgivable.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

For some , the fact that we live in a world where a small handful of people from the other side of the globe can come to the USA and do so much damage is just too much to deal with. It is , I think, oddly comforting in some ways, to assume that something like this (or the various political assassinations over the last 60 years ) must have been done by a grand conspiracy of evil government men. The reality that life in inherently fragile and random and chaotic is just too much for some people to handle.
During normal times, these people grab onto religion/myth to counter this reality about our harsh universe that they can't handle; in times of great acts of violence and evil , modern day americans tend to cling to conspiracy theories and elaborate tales of the grand sins of evil men.
For example, if someone is murdered in their home, it's slightly less disturbing if the killer had some reason and knew the person...somehow, it's much much more disturbing if the killer murdered a stranger for no reason.
The idea that 1 man with a gun could kill JFK is just too much ... it reveals a vulnerability of human life that is staggering ; ergo, there must have been a grand conspiracy to make it happen...at least with a grand conspiracy, there is the comfort of relegating murderous violence to the realm of backroom meetings and shadowy figures with great power...
I think this type of thinking also echoes the decades old republican grand conspiracy theory of leftist traitors in our midst (see the McCarthy hearings, the Red scares , cointelpro , the modern bush-era 'with us or against us' rhetoric', etc.)
Finally, I wouldn't put this type of act beyond the scope of the crimes Bushco have committed , but unlike Bushco and their cult followers, I'm not willing to make accusations that aren't based on facts. Bushco is made up of many people I consider to be very evil, still, I've never seen any evidence that they were somehow behind this act of evil .

Rosie's Right!!!! I am so proud of her! Actually got a T-Shirt out there that says so...
http://www.cafepress.com/epochdesignshop/2776748
Barbara Walters better stand behind her too!

I almost didn't read the comments because I knew that a ton of 911 Truthers would be on here, blabbing the same old tired lines about missiles, steel temperatures and demolitions. Please people. Why involve thousands of people in a ridiculously over-complicated conspiracy when you could just let it happen? Or just take advantage of something that happened? I am sad that Rosie has taken this line in her critcisms of the government, because it blows all credibility out of the water. She definitely has the right to say it, and I have no problem with her speaking her mind. She has said other things that have been truthful and right on. But as a Prophetess of the Security Mom generation? I think it's sad if they get their world news from The View.

Just reference back through the responses.

Then look at and compare which posters agree with each other. Re-read them.

See?

Simple to trace.

So why the hell can't Rosie or any of the other gabbers say whatever the hell they want? That's what the show is supposed to be--a forum to discuss a variety of "views."

Rosie (and Barbara Walters for hiring her) have done great things for liberals--especially the gay community. This is the only place ever on network television to hear the day-to-day real-life happenings of a lesbian and her "normal" family.

Rosie, Keith Olberman and Catherine Crier are alone in a great big sea of right-wing puke. We need to applaud their bravery and spread the word!

We as Americans must demand that this topic be discussed, investigated and that the truth be told. This act was the starting point of a war, killed over 3000 people in the WTC and more than 3000 more in Iraq/Afganistan not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afgani people, or the thousands of maimed and wounded American soldiers/Marines left to fight this mess. What are the lright wing neocons so fearful of with regard to this debate? If for some ignorant reason they believe that this was an attack by fanatics, why not have a thorough investigation and put the doubts of the American people to rest?

Let's see if the narrowly owned media outlets do anything to provide a discussion of this topic. Not likely...but we must keep asking questions and examining this until we are satisfied that the truth has been told.

It is about time someone like spoke up. She is the reason why I watch the View. She is the reAson why they have such high ratings. We were getting sick of all the robotic people. I guess the only way to speak up is you agree with the Bushies. RIGHT ON ROSIE.

THE THING THAT WORRIES ME MOST ABOUT THE CURRENT BLACKOUMAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA BASIC BLACKOUT OF ANY COUNTER-ARGUMENTS TO THE GOVERNMENT'S INCREDIBLY HOLLOW SHAM STORY ABOUT 911 IS THAT TODAY'S AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS AS A WHOLE AND THEIR STUDENTS (STUDYING POLITICS, HISTORY, ENGINEERING FOR EXAMPLE) LACK THE INTELLECTUAL ABILITY AND/OR THE MORAL COURAGE AND/OR SIMPLE GUTS TO STAND UP AND LAUGH OPENLY AT ANYONE WHO WOULD SUPPORT THE HOLLOW SHAM GOVERNMENT STORY ABOUT AIRPLANES, ARABS, BOX CUTTERS, DIESEL FUEL CAUSING STEEL TO MELT, THE PASSPORT OF THE "ARAB TERRORIST" MAGICALLY FOUND TO BE IN PRISTINE CONDITION ALTHOUGH STEEL MELTED, AND ETC ETC OF ABSOLUTE UTTER CRAP THAT NOONE WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE BELIEVES. SO STUDENTS, ASK YOURSELVES WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU STUDENTS OF? WHY DO YOU JUST SIT THERE, SAY NOTHING AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THE LOSS OF FREEDOM AND THE LOSS OF THE FREE PRESS? I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THIS ABOUT YOU. WHAT ARE YOUR DEGREES FOR? OR DO YOU FEAR THAT YOU WILL LOSE YOUR DEGREE IF YOU QUESTION ANYTHING , AS MAINSTREAM JOURNALISTS SEEM TO FEAR THAT THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS IF THEY DARE TO RAISE THEIR VOICES TO OPINION LEVEL. BUT IF FREEDOM IS LOST, THEN WHAT IS GAINED? "ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS, IT TOLLS BUT FOR THEE!"

The name of the show is The View....duh.....Rosie speaks her mind and is expected to do that because it's about each of their views. Why the hell is Joshua going after Rosie and not the others? Rosie has paid her dues over the years and to classify her as a pampered celebrity seems over the top. The pampered one is that young one on the end who has her head buried in the sand - she can't support anything she says. Shame on you Joshua - you've dissapointed many Alternet fans.

but I doubt he's got the nerve. And Ruppert's had enough.

Read Crossing The Rubicon. And compare it to the Keane Commission Report.

Then make up your own minds.

check this out

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

For all of you claiming that those seeking alternative explanations for September 11th are engaging in a tired old debate, be aware that the GOP front runner in the 2008 campaign is running almost exclusively on this issue. It is not going away. It's going to be in the mainstream media on an increasing basis. To let the standard interpretation of events go unchallenged is to hand Guiliani the Republican nomination and possibly the presidency.

Ask yourselves who benefits from unquestioned acceptance of the official story of September 11th and then take a look at who is most active in stifling the debate. Do you really want to cast your lot with those people? We have a choice, as Guiliani touts 9/11 at every opportunity. We can allow him to portray himself as the great savior of New York or we can raise questions about the inexplicable discrepancies between the official version of the facts and the facts themselves. We can allow another Republican to play 9/11 for all its worth, and reap the staggering benefits, or we can begin to make the debate on the facts part of the maintream.

Why is Rosie O'donnels comments more incendiary than say, Lumbaugh's or O'Reilly? For that matter, why is it any "over the line" than the hundreds of dominionist preachers that push for the take over of the world in the name of Jesus?

She only speaks her mind. If she is wrong...and she isn't entirely wrong...then why doesn't someone give the facts about so many hidden, behind closed door, no transcript without an oath, unanswered questions.

The crap just keeps piling up with this regime and no wonder...

These people let the event of 9/11 through the gate...they underestimated the plans of just a "few hijackers"....why do you think the President sat stupified when he was told about it...he already knew. There was no suprise on his face.....

WHY were Bombs Exploding in Towers Before + After Planes Hit?!!? WHY?

Survivors in the Trade Towers Witnessed Bombs Exploding Throughout the Twin Trade Towers BEFORE + AFTER Planes Hit Towers

9/11 Website Raises Critical Questions
PLEASE READ THIS WEBSITE
www.PatriotsQuestion911.com

There is a section on this website from survivors who were in the trade center towers on Sept. 11…..very interesting…..also very incongruous + contradictory compared to the *official* narrative brought to us by mainstream media (or our Fascist state-run propaganda news).

According to many survivors (people working in the towers that day) of the trade center towers, there were bomb explosions occurring inside the trade center towers before and after the planes hit the buildings. Additionally, some maintenance employees working in the basement of the towers reported bombs exploding before the planes hit the towers……
GEE, WHY IS THAT?

Please wake someone up and have them read these websites:

www.PatriotsQuestion911.com
Survivors that worked in the towers on 9/11

http://www.iamthewitness.com
by: Daryl Bradford Smith
the French Connection

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/columnist.asp?ID=6
by: journalist Christopher Bollyn, The Truth Seeker

p.s. I don’t think Rosie crossed the line…..however, she will soon be fired from our propaganda state-run news media for raising critical thinking questions re: 9/11

Why does everyone want to follow the script?...
The events on 9/11 have never been answered. Some answers defy logic and physics. Those supporting the Popular Mechanics, et al., responses don't bother to really look at the holes in their arguments. If anyone drops their biases and takes an honest look, they will see that it doesn't match with any of the "accepted" explanations. Why is it so impossible that Big Dick (select individuals within Bush Admin) could not be behind this?... with help from their Saudi buddies?... maybe even Mossad?... Why would the government work so hard to cover up and lie about the events? Who has benefited from this?

Or are you all just afraid of being called "crazy, loony, crackpots?"

If everyone around said the world is flat, and from your actual observations to came to believe that it is round, would you back down and say it's flat and attack "round-earthers" because you don't like being called a "crack-pot"?

Repetition and acceptance does not make anything true.

Bravo Rosie, a true american patriot steps forward and
risks all for the truth. Now, all those claiming that it would
take an army of thousands for 911 to be an inside job, I thought that it just took 19 or 20 - if we include mastermind
Osama - cave dwellers. Did the cave dwellers need thousands of co-conspirators, and if not why not? How could cave dwellers pull this off with their limited resources, but not elements within the
anglo/american power structure who have virtually unlimited resources? If the cave dwellers were
bright enough to pull off 911, why wern't they bright enough to know that the primary and arguably only beneficiaries were their supposed enemies? And for those who might infer racism from skepticism that 19 or 20 cave dwellers could pull off 911 but not elements within the American power structure - please note the reeking racism from the official conspiricy theory that has resulted in the actual, occuring as we speak, demonization and murder of hundreds of thousands of Arabs due to their supposed, but far from proven role in 911. A cave dweller is a cave dweller is a cave dweller, whether they be white, green, brown or pink. Now if there is a cave dweller who is offended by this tirade, well...........


If 911 was an inside job, and a participant wanted to whistle blow, to whome would that person disclose to? The controlled media? Fellow members of the military industrial complex? Bill O'Reilly? To whome? Would the people who pulled off 911 have any problem doing away with actual or potential whistle blowers, and wouldn't all participants be fully aware of this? Would not all participants have gone through years of vetting within the military industrial complex?

Those on the left who claim that 911 truth detracts from other issues that need to be dealt with, please cite your successes in dealing with these other issues, because from where I sit, all I see is a long line of abject failures to stop this fascist steamroller-failures which go right back to JFK - and which are currently accelerating by the month. Goverments use false flags opps because they work. If not for 911 the govt. would not have the political capital to do what they are doing. Expose 911 and the whole program will falter.

When the four main American media conglomerates own the news and are also the largest corporate umberella, which also happen to have been aqquired by the worlds largest military subcontractors on the planet- How can any of us expect to get REAL NEWS?

The conspiracy theorists are using sensationalized video events and going just as over the top as FOX is- so the whole thing gets blown out of poportion on both sides and becomes a mudslinging event that is not unlike politics in general. If conspiracists simply reported the facts and logic as they stand- it is CLEAR that 9/11 was and is AN INSIDE JOB!

This sad event is one of the most atrocious events in the history of the United States. It further shows how stupid the the current administration believes the American Public is- as well as the rest of the world. As they choke to death (hopefully) on their collective arrogance, they will cough up the truth for all of us to see.

FACT: The network NEWS is comepletely sensored and biased to protect a nefarious government who's sole aim is world domination.

FACT: The entertainment industry in general cannot film any medium regarding politics, military, or spiritual project without the express permission of the "powers that be" that shows any of these entities in an unfavorable light.

FACT: The MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) sides with government officials in rating films based on content. If a film recieves an unfavorable rating it's chances of finding distribution is seriously limited. The MPAA headed by Jack Valenti is one of the most secretively operated businesses in the Entertainment industry. Check nout the film, "This Film Is Not Yet Rated". This film will scare the hell out of you!

FACT: Our government is using child abuse as a tool to monitor and eventually control the Internet to keep the public from information that undermines their propaganda- when less than 2% of child abuse cases happen as the result of internet perpetration!!!!!!

FACT: The public in general DOES NOT believe the propaganda generated by the World Governments (by over 78%) according to national and international polls.

FACT: A South American skyscraper burned, completely engulfed in flames for over twenty hours leaving a steel skeletal structure fully entact and capable of supporting a multi ton crane for re-construction. South American contrustions specs are far less stringent than ours.

FACT: Billowing smoke in a fire is PROOF that a fire is oxygen STARVED and without oxygen or limited oxygen a fire cannot burn hot enough to cause metals to liquify and this is all anyone needs to see to understand that the entire world was briefly fooled with obvious truth in our face the entire time.

I am not a real Rosie O'donnell fan. I think she is combative, irrasible and she can be quite cruel when making fun of people- which is not enlightened- AT ALL. But I must give her credit for speaking the truth and having the courage and the balls to put it right out there- endangering her life. She has taken a stand that could easily end her career and/or her life. Rosie does a great deal of humanitarian work that should be applauded as well. She is generous. Very generous. Considering how she is portrayed as a fat slob with mental health problems and her response to it- I would have to say, she has definately handled it quite well.

relying on pampered celebrities to "speak truth to power" has inherent pitfalls.

Well no shit, Sherlock. But here's the problem: we on the left don't get to choose who speaks for us.

Remember the build-up to the Iraq war, when the only folks who could get on TV with an anti-war view were Michael Moore, Geanine Garrofalo (sp?) and Sean Penn?

Who elected them as spokespeople for the antiwar movement? Meanwhile, competent antiwar spokespersons, like Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies, can't get on the air.

These people "speak for us" because the MEDIA chooses them, and the media chooses them precisely because they lack expertise and are easy to discredit.

And this will continue until all our well-meaning pampered celebrities start telling the bookers at CNN: "Sorry, but I can't make it - why don't you give Noam Chomsky a call?"

thanks to celebreties like rosie, other people out there are going to start asking more serious questions. the ball has to start rolling somewhere...somehow...before we know it, there will be a massive wrecking ball crushing "the official story" to bits!!
people can call rosie a fat cow, but isn't the irony in that a fat cow is considered to be pretty darn valuable in our society that gobbles down so much red meat and dairy? no matter if you're a vegetarian, the masses are consuming fat cows like there is no tomorrow.
and, since rosie has such a "big mouth" SHE will be in the history books for inciting change....while all you other sheep out there will be dismissed for calling her childish names.
9/11 was in inside job!

After reading most of the comments above, I am convinced that IGNORANCE is the fastest spreading disease ever to infect human beings. And Rosie is one of the prime progenitors.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

At least 10,000 people are involved in the 9/11 conspiracy -- from FAA controllers and Pentagon officials to CNN broadcasters and New York City building inspectors – and not one has ever sold his or her story to the National Inquirer.

Have you Rosie O’Donnell fans ever heard of the word "LOGIC"?

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

First, i gotta commend you Josh. The amount of patience you show in the face of so many....irrational commenters....amazes me.

I read the comments on many articles here on Alternet, but rarely post comments of my own. For the most part there is alot of thoughtful, rational discussion amongst some posters that I respect considerably.

However, whenever anything about 9/11 is written...well look at the 10 odd pages of comments above. Its rediculous. Is there really a huge debate about the validity of the conspiracy movement? Why does it seem that you're trying to take an article like this and steer it towards the same tired theories about the 9/11 conspiracy? He's not advocating anything about what happened during 9/11, so why are you trying to make it sound like he is?

You people don't sound genuine when you argue for the truth movement. It sounds like your trying to force an idea through repetition, since you say the same things over and over again and expect us to accept them based on fatih. Only neocons repeat the kind of talking points you do with such fervent.

Even you conspiracy skeptics must admit that some very peculiar things took place on 9/11 and the days following. To wit - war game training exercises coinciding with real attacks, the lack of scrutiny (read, allowing the evidence to be shipped off to China for "disposal") and the subsequent anthrax-laced letters are among a few examples of strange goings-on that defy explanation to this day. I remain unconvinced of internal detonations, disappearing passengers in Cleveland, hijackers turning up alive in Pakistan and other irrational explantions. However, something is still rotten and questions remain.

It appears that a good number of Alterneters believe Bushco/NWO/Masons/Zionist Jews/Carlyle Group are behind it all, so just WTF are you going to do about it? The case has been closed. The Dems want no part of it and the evidence is gone for Christ sake!! Even if it were all true, what are you going to do about it?? I'll tell you what: huff and puff and bluster and rant and then retire to the living room to let your 40" plasma's soothing blue glow wash over your zombified mind and body. Iraq, missing trillions and corporate misconduct haven't compelled you to remove your dimpled ass from the Barcalounger, so why should anyone believe that this will bring you to action? The truth is, the world doesn't believe you'll do anything about it, and they'd be right!

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6 49993991751648213&q=9%2F11+justice

Compartmentalization requires COMMUNICATION – at the very least, minimum instructions to each person involved in the conspiracy, knowingly or otherwise.

What are the odds of NO PERSON in 10,000 becoming suspicious of their “orders” and NOT telling the National Inquirer for a boatload of cash?

Wait, don’t tell me. The National Inquirer is part of the 9/11 conspiracy, too.

In response to your conclusion Joshua that it is “unfortunate” that ‘celebrities’ are jumping on the 9/11 ‘conspiracy’ theory bandwagon I will have to take issue on several counts. First, all everyone wants to know is the truth of the matter. The truth cannot be denied or changed. It is. Someone knows what the truth is. What is ‘unfortunate’ is that there are those that will lie about it. Knowing the difference between what is the truth and what is a lie is what this debate is all about. Behind every lie is the truth. The liar is the one conspiring to conceal it. A liar is one that knows the truth and with knowledge and intent conceals it. Does Rosie know the truth? Is she hiding it or trying to find it? If Noam Chomsky knows the truth then where is he? What good is the truth if you keep it to yourself? Maybe he can’t get access to the media because he is NOT a celebrity.

Second. The difference between ‘celebrities’ wanting to know the truth and non-celebrities is access to a public form. Non-celebrities can have debates, think, know, lie cheat and steal and it is of no consequence to finding out the truth of the matter. Why? Because our opinion is not a matter of public debate. At one time in this country we had public trials in a court of law that allowed full disclosure of the truth under the watchful eye of public scrutiny. Now, all officials have immunity and trials are held in private chambers away from any public exposure. That only leaves celebrities with access to the public to do our bidding for us. It is a desperate time for the public at large. Celebrities can’t get out of an automobile today without cameras taking pictures of them and putting it on the nightly news for the world to see. At least some celebrities are putting that access to good use.

And finally, the great disqualifier you call a “conspiracy theory.” Until and when the truth is known how can there be a conspiracy? The only way we are going to get to the truth is by looking at the facts. At least Rosie is bringing some issues to light that no one else was willing to do. If something doesn’t make sense, and I have to admit the melting metal thing needs an explanation, then it is our duty and responsible as reasonable rational human beings to ask questions.

Rosie raises some very good points. In which case if she is wrong then the experts can counter her with a perfectly reasonable and logical explanation as to why she is wrong. And a public explanation could only happen because Rosy made it public. Given all the misdeeds and misconduct that has been going on in our government of late I am more inclined to trust Rosie’s motives for doing what she did than any government officials.

It was a good article Josh. It seems to have touched a nerve, which is a sign that there is life out there.

When confronted with an hypothesis, a rational person examines it carefully. It it is not obviously false, one tests this hypothesis closely to determine it's accuracy. Any suggestion that 9/11 was an inside job often gets the reaction "why, that's insane" with little or no further examination. Popular Mechanics did not lay the issue to rest, and the veracity of the collapse of the towers or building 7 have nothing to do with Rosie's knowledge of the melting point of steel. 9/11's being an inside job is not a ridiculous hypothesis. It needs serious investigation, not dismissal out of hand. May I suggest you read "The War on Truth" by by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. It might open some eyes

The thing that disturbs me is that the conspiracy folks refuse to allow an open debate. I suggested earlier, as I truly believe, that Rosie's position is influenced by her hatred of George W. Bush. Commentor "Bev" responded by asking people not to respond, and that I am a troll. As a libertarian, I sometimes agree with Alternet, sometimes not. As a former student of Latin America, I agree with Holland on many issues. Apparently Holland and I agree that Rosie is nutz, though he's slightly more diplomatic about it. Yet I'm a troll when I disagree with Bev.

I was even careful to note that Rosie's hate isn't the broad, stereotype based hate of Ann Coulter, but even though she has good reasons to hate the prez, that hate leads to poor political choices. Isn't the left the side of open-minded debate and free exchange of ideas?

All roads lead to Israeli involvement in 9/11.

1. 5 Israeli intelligence agents were caught filming and cheering the collapse of the towers.

2. Israeli instant messaging company was sent an 'anonymous' warning of the attacks BEFORE the attacks occurred.

3. All Israeli firms located in the WTC evacuated months before the attack.

4. Up to and after 9/11, hundreds of Israeli intelligence agents were captured compromising secure US military and intelligence facilities.

5. The insider trading that profited from the attacks can be traced directly to Israeli and CIA intelligence.

Just some of the VERY provable facts the tie Israel to the attacks but we must get a few things straight. The so called "NEOCONS" are mostly dual Israeli/US citizens with their primary allegiance to Israel. The so called "war on terror" main beneficiary is Israel.

We may argue the facts of the oddities on 9/11 'til we're blue in the face; the presstitutes over at Popular Mechanics will always come up with their slick excuses to "debunk" those "wacky" conspiracy theorists. Don't get too involved in the minor details of the attack. Only look at who's benefited the most from the outcome.

Do some research, you'll find out that "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" was written by the same authors of PNAC and who were immediately in the highest levels of government at the time of the attack. They have since disbanded since the light of truth is beginning to shine on them.

Chomsky and Joshua here are basically left gatekeepers trying to suppress these facts and throw us in the direction of the President and the Saudis. Don't fall for that. 9/11 was a classic Mossad/Israeli hit. They founded their 'state' on terrorism the likes of Stern and Ingurn. They have over half a century to have honed their skills and make it look like Arabs were responsible. But as we all know, Arabs/Muslims have become the biggest victims of 9/11. Think about it.

I also recommend The Unearthing: An Awakening Has Arrived
by Manuel Valenzuela available at ICH or his own blog
http://www.valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/

A much better description and commentary on our current state of affairs than anything available from Alternet.

dr rdw

All you freepers who can't believe that your beloved administration could possibly be involved in a conspiracy to start a permanent war with the Middle East should be posting on the right-wing blogs.

Rosie is right. And I didn't know about the Enron records, but now it makes even more sense than it did before--which was plenty. If Rosie gets fired because of O'Lielly, it's foolish because O'Lielly's FOX program isn't even popular. Old people and mentally challenged neocons are his audience.

Nothing alternative about "alternet." Check this excerpt from the article:

"Nobody knows the precise sequence of events that brought Building 7 down, but claiming that the collapse defied physics is patently ridiculous. (Popular Mechanics, Public Enemy #1 for the 9/11 Truth crowd, refuted O'Donnell's specific claims.)"

And then there's the "DRAFTGORE.COM" petition. No thanks.

And look at the ender:

"What's unfortunate about the incident -- and others involving celebrities jumping on the 9/11 conspiracy theory bandwagon -- is the opportunity cost: What might have led to a challenging debate about the close ties between the Bush administration and terrorist financiers, or about the United States' unshakable relationship with the Saudi Royal family or the nature of our energy policy or the toll of American militarism emerged instead as an easily-refuted argument based, at the end of the day, on a talk-show host's knowledge about the melting point of steel."

Oh my, how unfortunate. Hello, retard—they've already been caught, and admitted to, illegal wiretaps, torture, secret prisons, "extraordinary renditions," any of which individually ought to, if getting a BJ from an intern qualifies for impeachment, be grounds for treason indictments.

Let Steven E. Jones go on The View up against NIST's top dog. There's obviously more than a whiff of suspicion in America that 9/11's an inside job, and for all anyone knows the theory could be right. It's certainly a lot less far-fetched than three skyscrapers suddenly falling straight down at free-fall speed supposedly because of fire. American needs to talk about this.

Mr. Holland comes down squarely on both sides of the question: and then refuses Rosie's very accurate, and increasingly supported assertion: The 9 11 incident was not investigated but by apologists for the US govt... and the buildings are increasingly thought to have been a controlled demolition. Rosie is hardly alone in stating this, millions now think so, and Holland vulgarises and demeans her for stating whats become the obvious: 9 11 was a hoax. What side is Holland on?

Rosie mentioned the impeachment of Bush. Where's all the energy going on that subject? It's spent on 9-11 conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories drag down the effectiveness of the American Left.

Bush could- and should- be impeached, even executed, for things he has done openly and brazenly. No need to dig through cover-ups or piece together stories.

Falluja. The US military used phosphorous grenades. This is a war crime. Bush could be impeached for it, and possibly executed for it. Also broken during that siege was the 1st Geneva Convention, especially Articles 14 and 15.

Katrina. With all the warnings coming over and over, ignoring the condition of the levees is criminal negligence. Bush could be impeached for it. Criminal negligence in sending troops to battle without proper armor, or in turning over Walter Reed to for-profit businesses without proper preparation.

Elections. The Republicans continually- habitually- break the Voting Rights Act of 1965. If the average American knew more about the electronic voting scams they'd be outraged. But they don't know, and that's the fault of activists who should be focused on what's REAL, and not on what's theory.

Read Article 2 Paragraph 2 of Nixon's Letters of Impeachment. Compare to Bush's Domestic Surveillance Programs, of which there are many forms. He is impeachable for the way he has been spying on Americans. It is illegal according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That's an impeachable offense. So is participating in domestic propaganda, via the "Office of Special Plans".

According to Article 6, Section 2 of the US Constitution, international treaties are "the supreme Law of the Land." That means if he breaks a treaty, he has broken the law. He is impeachable. What are some treaties he might have broken- again openly and brazenly, no hidden conspiracy, no detailed analysis on the principles of metallurgy needed.

Non-Proliferation Treaty: He has not followed Article 6, in fact he has done the opposite which is to begin programs to build new nuclear weapons. That's illegal and therefore impeachable. And by the way could wipe out the human race. But it's more fun to focus on conspiracy theories about 9-11.

4th Geneva Convention has been broken time and time again- destroying civilian infrastructure, occupying hosiptals, failing to provide medical treatment for Iraqi civilians, on and on. These are war crimes, punishable by hanging according to the Nuremburg Principles. In fact, if you wanted to push the envelope, thanks to changes in the Pentagon's rules regarding executions (quietly slipped through while activists focused on Building 7 again), the military can now conduct executions anywhere in the world (they used to have to do it at Ft. Leavenworth). So we could hang Bush for War Crimes in the center of Tehran. No digging for evidence needed. All based on what he's said he was going to do, and then did.

And yes, with Bush impeached, others in his administration could- and should- be indicted and sent to jail.

But no, let's focus all of our time and energy on 9-11, because it makes us feel like righteous outsiders. And let's spend our time attacking progressive groups like AlterNet, because it makes us feel More Radical Than Thou.

And all you wackos stop telling me to do my homework, to check for myself, to do some research on why you think "Bush did it". I have. And I think you're wasting precious energy.

Rosie is right on this one. I may be considered one of the luny conspiracy people but I would suggest reading all the material out there on this subject of Government complicity/involvement. There are just too many unanswered questions in the 9/11 Commission Report and too many facts pointing to Government involvement. Read David Ray Griffen's books, Michael Ruppert's, Crossing the Rubicon, and the 9/11 Scholars for Truth book among a long list - these will start some questions in your minds - This episode needs a non-partisan, all encompassing investigation - not the sham we had.

Yeah. The 911 truth movement is "fringe"...

I am disturbed by the mainstream media's boycott of the 9-11 truth movement.

There are MANY reputable people who are now questioning the veracity of the official story concerning 9-11. And yet, no one's covering this.

This is the way I see it.

One either believes that WTC1 and 2 were brought down by fire and aircraft impact damage... or, one believes that the buildings were brought down by something else.

Ok.

Let's address the first one, since the first scenario is the accepted theory.

These buildings were supposedly designed to withstand aircraft impacts. They were supposedly designed to withstand ten times their own weight (I may be wrong about that one). They were supposedly designed to withstand 140 mph sustained winds, which apparently far exceeds the impact force of aircraft striking it at 500 mph. Fire damage was NOT considered in the original design, and I suspect it is because the engineers KNEW that fire couldn't bring down steel buildings. Perhaps they were incorrect in that certainty... I'm not qualified to say.

And yet, the buildings still collapsed! Not only did they collapse, but they just COMPLETELY GAVE UP THE GHOST, and collapsed... Instead of falling over, they completely collapsed into their own footprint.

If one is to believe the official story, then this SHOULD be raising red flags everywhere, because to believe the official story, is to ALSO believe that the original designers didn't have a FREAKING CLUE as to what they were doing when they designed the things!

Were these the ONLY "tube-in-a-tube" designed buildings in the world? I mean, other than WTC7...

If there are other buildings in this country that have the same design, then why aren't we shutting them down and studying them?

If one believes the official story, then one MUST believe that the other "tube-in-a-tube" designed buildings in this country are INHERENTLY UNSAFE, because we have PROOF that tube-in-a-tube designed buildings OBVIOUSLY do not stand up, in real-world conditions, to the parameters that that they were designed under.

All I'm doing is expressing concern for the people in this country, who have to work in these "tube-in-a-tube" designed buildings everyday... and they may not even KNOW that they are working in a DEATH-TRAP!

Secondly, I was stationed at Andrews AFB for nearly ten years.

Every day, at 9:00 AM, two F-16's, ALWAYS took off from Andrews on civil air patrol. I saw it many times. Two F-16s, side by side, full military power, afterburner stage 1, pulled chocks at 9:00 AM every day. And on 9-11 they didn't get into the air until some time after 9:45 ?

Even if the military was running wargame exercises, that's no excuse to NOT have civil air patrol guarding the skies over Washington. This represents a SEVERE breach of standards and procedures... and no one in the MSM seems to be concerned.

This is NOT water under the bridge. These breaches of protocol are not only dangerous to our collective security, but they indicate that there MAY be serious problems with our national defense. How would we know that they have been corrected? No one wants to ask the hard questions to find out.

Thirdly, concerning flight 77. I AM NOT THE ONE WHO CONTENDS THAT FLIGHT 77 STRUCK THE PENTAGON! So I don't have to prove that it did. The people who contend that flight 77 struck the Pentagon have to prove it... and all they can give us is five frames that DON'T show a 757 striking the building?

Show us the video. That's all I want.

If Rosie were really brave she would mention the Israeli "art students", the agents tracking Atta, and the "moving men" filming the burning towers who were all former Mossad agents.

There is simple test you can make when travelling abroad we Swedes say. The wilder the conspiracy theories people have about the US, the more problem they have internally. At its worst it is in the Middle East.

When reading from this site it is seems it is even worse in the US itself.

Fight between Shia and Sunni? An American conspiracy to rule and divide.

9/11 in? An American conspiracy against the Arab world.

The sewer in Gaza, Palestine is overflowed. An American conspiracy to humiliate Palestinians.

Parts of Latin-American suffer from the same disease. Incompetent governments, inflation or sinking commodity prices - everything can be blamed on the US.

At certain points in history the US have had a bad influence on these areas but the cause and effect is simpler than the conspiracy nuts think. The US superpower has had had more problems themselves than causing them. A lot of processes are ongoing without US influence.

As a mirror many American see Washington as the Universe focus, George W Bush among them.

As a liberal I am disgusted to read that some 550 comments is about 9/11 conspiracy theories, it makes me sick to my stomach.

Can a well educated people as the US people be as illiterate as to believe in any tall tales? Are really the American people that ignorant, that uneducated? Maybe the extreme left liberals are right, the US school system produces illiterates and incompetents?

As a Swede who have chosen to live in the US I beg to differ, this cannot be America, I refuse to believe that what I read is main stream Americana. But maybe not, I might have made a horrendous mistake in coming here. Everybody might be conspiracy nuts, morons.

I how ever refuse to believe this!

Please prove me different!

Rosie, dear Rosie, finally someone from showbusiness is speaking out and we are all listening, thank you. Joshua Holland, get your head out of your butt and demand a 9/ll investigation, where have you been????

Isn't it possible for people to disagree with one version of events as reported without their own idea being called a conspiracy. I have no "conspiracy theory of my own". But I certainly don't believe the story as it was reported. The puzzle has too many missing pieces. We all just naturally fill in the blanks on our own. No one is to blame for believing that something just isn't right. Who can you trust? There's just too much we dont know about 9/11. Thanks, ANNA

In 1958, I was an Air Force intelligence officer in Washington, DC, where I worked with CIA analysts before they moved to Langley, Virginia. One day, while curiously going through ground photography in a filing cabinet labeled "USA", I stumbled across two classified B&W glossies of a UFO. Seriously.

Stamped CONFIDENTIAL - NO FORN, both pictures were captioned “Unidentified flying object sighted over Kansas, circa 1952.”

The photos showed a metallic disk hovering several hundred feet above a cornfield. From a telephone pole in the foreground of one pic, I estimated the saucer’s diameter at 300 feet. It was flat on the bottom and had a curved upper surface with a small dome on top I figured was the cockpit.

After several minutes of gawking, I still couldn’t believe my eyes. Until that point in my young adult life, I had been a UFO skeptic, more correctly a nonbeliever. Now I wasn’t sure what to think. But one thing was certain; CIA photo-analysts were masters at detecting fraudulent photographs. Since this was before the advent of computer graphics and digital manipulations, I had no reason to believe the flying saucer pictures were fakes.

Head filled with wildly swirling thoughts, I left the CIA shop in a daze, rode a Federal shuttle bus back to my office, went home early and began a quest for the truth about UFOs. I started by reading books by flying saucer expert Major Donald Keyhoe, a WWII Marine Corps pilot.

During the late 1940s and early 1950s, he had flight-tested a variety of aircraft for True Magazine. When the first flying saucer sightings were reported in June 1947, Keyhoe was skeptical. But when True asked him to investigate the phenomena two years later, he interviewed numerous USAF pilots and learned that many had sighted the unexplained discs.

Keyhoe soon became convinced that UFOs were extraterrestrial. He also concluded that the Air Force and CIA knew it and were covering up the truth.

Despite his “evidence,” which appeared over the years in various nonfiction books, I eventually decided that alien flying saucers did not exist. I also concluded that the CIA pictures had been created by a practical joker and placed in the depository to get cheap laughs, which had happened before. But there was nothing funny the day I stumbled upon the UFO photos.

Whoever put the fake images in the filing cabinet should have been reprimanded. Still, in retrospect, the intentions were harmless. And besides, there was a lot of tension during the Cold War back then, being only minutes away from Atomic Armageddon. It helped to let off steam with a little humor.

Here’s the point of the UFO story as it pertains to the present situation in Iraq and the excuses Bush used to start Gulf War 2. From my experiences working with CIA personnel in Washington, I don’t believe they would ever fabricate or distort critical intelligence data.

That kind of unpatriotic disservice simply would not happen, no matter how much pressure came from the White House―such as repeated requests reportedly made by Dick Cheney for “clarification” of the CIA’s WMD information. An exception is former CIA Director George Tenet and his bullshit "slam-dunk" appraisal.

Hugh E. Scott, editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

I agree with everything you have said. But when the posters preceding you voice their opinions the way that they have (most of them anyways) it is very distracting from the actual point they are trying to make. 516 (and counting) posts and 75% of them are flames towards Joshua Holland.

I just want to know why one GLARING issue from 9/11 has NEVER been discussed in the Mainstream Media... PUT OPTIONS. There WAS advance knowledge of 9/11 from a group of investors who have never been identified publicly. They used a technique called "Put Options" in the stock market, basically betting on the fact that the airlines stocks would drop considerably. Millions of dollars were made from these transactions, which were placed just a few days before 9/11. The money was never claimed, but the identity of the buyers of these options has never been released.

From what I have read, the FBI refuses to release any information regarding this. WHY IS THIS NOT THE BIGGEST STORY ON TELEVISION, PAPERS, AND EVERYWHERE? Simply because there IS a hidden aspect to this whole 9/11 episode, and the trail of money most surely would lead to the truth. THIS is why I will never believe the "official" story, and why there SHOULD be patriotic americans like Rosie who dare to stand up and question!!

I get really, really sick of anyone who just wants honest answers getting beaten up by the MSM and the Right. There is OBVIOUSLY more going on than we are being told. There is NO DENYING that given the PUT OPTIONS. Follow the money trail.

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The American people should never trust the government-
The Fox news hoopla is just that - most americans are liberal and don't care what the Right wing thinks of them- they hate this admin. just as much as the right hated Clintons - so Rosie can say what she wants and we have a choice of either agreeing or disagreeing-

At the National Review, Stephen Spruiell slams O'Donnell by suggesting that she needs to seek psychiatric help.

"First came the blog post in which Rosie floated the insane conspiracy theory that World Trade Center 7 was blown up by the government," Spruiell writes. "Then came her meltdown on The View when co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck confronted her about it."

Spruiell advises his readers to check out "Popular Mechanics' thorough debunking of all flavors of 9/11 conspiracy theories if you need a reminder of how truly insane this is," before linking to the magazine's response to O'Donnell published last week. "Instead of going to therapy every day, this clearly unwell person is hosting a television show on a major American network," Spruiell adds.

However, many websites devoted to 9/11 "truth" have argued that the magazine's "debunking" was less than thorough. According to Information Liberation, "The Orwellian doublethink one would have to exhibit to believe this trash is surreal."

Editor in chief James Meigs of Popular Mechanics dismissed theories that Building 7 might have been destroyed by bombs in what might be perceived as a haphazard way, saying, "You don't need to go into fanciful explanations of bombs and mysterious things. That building fell because of the attacks of 9/11."

In response, Information Liberation mocked, "You see foolish theorists, the one factor you forgot was the 'attacks of 9/11'! The 'attacks of 9/11' is what caused WTC 7 to collapse! It had nothing to do with those 'mysterious things' called bombs (You know the things which go BOOM and are used to demolish buildings? You probably don't, they're very mysterious). So there you have it, the 'attacks if 9/11' is what caused the collapse, thank you Inside Edition and Popular Mechanics for enlightening us all."

Other right leaning blogs have been hammering at O'Donnell for weeks, while most popular Democratic blogs have steered clear of the topic almost altogether...

Last week, an Albany newspaper reported that Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), a candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, has plans to investigate "a few, specific discrepancies in the public record" regarding the events of 9/11.

If you want to hear more from Rosie and others with the courage to ask questions, point out anomalies about what the "news" is telling us, and express the need for truth. Then take action here. Several suggestions follow:

1) Take a few minutes to express your opinions to The View, ABC, and Barbara Walters (co-owner, co-executive producer and co-host of "The View,") and Bill Geddie, co-executive producer. Encourage them to continue providing this kind of quality programming to thinking soccer moms everywhere! Remind them that you are interested in more than crafts, cooking, and makeup application. We're watching, we're paying attention, and we want more (a lot more, please)!

Encourage "The View" to continue telling the truth, and to book the Jersey Girls, the 9/11 widows who fought for investigation and creation of the 9/11 Commission (see their FSC Report Review of the 9/11 Commission Report if you wonder why they still have questions) and other women in the 9/11 truth movement who share Rosie's courage and commitment to truth.

To register your "feedback regarding the ABC TV network" go to abc.go.com/site/contactus.html; call ABC at 818- 460-7477, press #2, then press #4 (for Daytime shows), then press #849 (for The View); or mail a letter to ABC, Inc., 500 S. Buena Vista Street, Burbank, CA 91521-4551.

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2. Demand an apology from MSNBC for Bonaduce's outrageous statements and Scarborough's vitriolic "reporting."

To reach the producers, anchors and correspondents of MSNBC TV, email viewerservices@msnbc.com and joe@msnbc.com; call MSNBC at 201-583-5000; or mail them a letter, to MSNBC TV, One MSNBC Plaza, Secaucus, N.J. 07094

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Write ABC in support of a debate between Jim Miegs and Prof. Jones. Also, insist on Paul Thompson accompanying him as well as a representative from the family members. Something simple, and easy to read... such as: "I support a 9/11 debate between Prof. Steven E. Jones, and Jim Meigs. Also, I must insist that Paul Thompson, and a representative from the family members accompany him. Thank you." (contact information above)

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I really disagree with Joshua on his comments..The 911 group that has I believe several physics folks on board, has clearly, as far as I'm concerned, done more than prove that the events of 911 was an inside job. I think Rosie got the information about melting steel wrong but it definitely is long past time when a real debate needs to take place in this country about this event.

Cathy Gage

It's amusing reading the posts from the feather light left who
whine that the 911 truth movement is preventing them from
enacting their grand plans. Boo Hoo. What a bloody joke. You can't deal with the marginalized, mocked, ignored in all the right circles truth movement - they're too distracting, or they
might embarass you, or lord forbid, the right might say mean things, and you think your going to have a snow balls chance in hell of impeaching Bush, or ending the fiasco in Irag or any of your other purported goals? Good luck. Those of you whiners who are sincere,
911 truth is the greatest threat to the powers that be, both right and left, neo-con and neo-lib, Chumpsky and Bill O'Reilly et al, one can see that clearly. When the libs start
parroting the neo-cons you know something is up. Rosie is a hero as are all others who risk all to tell the truth.

I thought it was a good column. It has certainly generated a lot of opinions. Joshua didn't disagree with everything Rosie said - just the part about the Bushies planning 9/11. And while I believe that Bush and company are the most despicable people we have ever had in the White House, I don't believe he planned 9/11. He may have ignored intell prior to the attack. He's certainly guilty of numerous other crimes. Of course he should be impeached and prosecuted.
And I imagine Bush is furious right now that Iran has returned those British sailors. Bombing Iran because they released prisoners just doesn't sound right.
But conspiracy theorists - I won't call you nuts for believing if you don't call me stupid for not believing.

We forget that it is not possible to answer the real and pressing questions about 9/11 based on available information. We waste our time speculating, then arguing over whose pet theory could be right.

How often has the Left disintegrated over ideological differences? Every time we confuse the issue like this, the Right wins.

It should be clear from today's postings that a majority could at least agree that Questions Remain about what happened before, on, and after 9/11. Can we agree on that, and stop with the labeling and name-calling?

Let's proceed from there: How do we as a nation address the questions in a rational, deliberate, and respectful way?

Hey everyone.......vote and you can even leave a message for abc, Barbara walters too. We have to show our support, and we need to counter that 'other' site, Firerosie, or something like that.......... http://keeprosie.com/
this anti-boycott is to raise awareness and to show Disney-ABC (and all other media outlets) that we, as American citizens, will not tolerate individuals trying to take away free speech from ANYONE.
go ro!!! 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

1. Don't all the high-level officials agree on what happened on 9/11?

No. Numerous present and former high-level military leaders and politicians have questioned the administration's version of 9/11.

2. Isn't 9/11 a partisan political issue, where extremists in one party are simply trying to smear the other party for political gain?

No, credible people from across the political spectrum question 9/11, including prominent liberals, prominent conservatives, and prominent centrists.

3. Isn't it disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 and their families to question the events of that day?

No. Many of the families of the victims question the official story and are demanding that the truth be disclosed. The same is true of many dying heroes - the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11 - and are soon to become victims of the 9/11 attacks themselves.

4. Isn't it clear that Muslims carried out 9/11, and the war on terror is a clash of civilizations and religions? Therefore, isn't 9/11 skepticism harmful to our faith?

Actually, 9/11 truth is a vital issue for all people of faith. That is why prominent Christian theologians state that 9/11 was an inside job, and prominent Jewish scholars and rabbis say that uncovering the truth of 9/11 has the power to bring positive, lasting change to our nation and to our world.

5. Isn't this kind of thinking really a psychological problem? And isn't it promoted by anti-semites?

Not at all. Some very prominent psychologists question the government's version of 9/11, as do many people of Jewish faith.

6. Aren't conspiracy theories anti-American, and isn't all the questioning of 9/11 part of what's wrong with America today?

Questioning our government is part of what it means to be a patriot and to love your country. People who question 9/11 are patriots who love their country.

7. Doesn't questioning 9/11 distract from much more important issues facing America today?

On the contrary, it is one of the very most important issues facing our country, and is closely connected with other problems we face.

8. But the government would NEVER hurt its own people. At least not intentionally.

Actually, the U.S. government -- and many other Western governments -- have done so before. Initially, the Joint Chiefs of Staff actually approved a plan to carry out terrorist attacks and kill U.S. citizens and blame it on Cuba, as a justification for invading Cuba. And a government informant has stated that he tried to stop the 1993 WTC bombing, but that the FBI intentionally let the bombing happen . There are many other examples of other governments killing their own people for political gain, and the U.S. government doing killing its own as well.

As additional examples of the U.S. government letting U.S. citizens die based upon deceptions, many people breathed in highly toxic dust near the WTC, after the government knowingly misrepresented the risk, going as far as discouraging first responders from wearing masks. The U.S. government also misled the American people into the Iraqi war.

9. Terrorists crashing planes into the WTC and Pentagon was wholly unexpected in 2001, wasn't it?

No, it was not unexpected.

10. But there is always confusion in any battle situation. Wasn't it the "fog of war" which prevented a successful response to the 9/11 attacks?

It was not the fog of war. Instead, it was the multiple war games, including hijack exercises involving real planes which prevented the good people in the military from stopping the attacks from succeeding against their targets.



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Rosie is courageous!!!! If he stole the election he can lie about anything. And maybe people are willing to believe conspiracy theories because so many of them witnessed "the bizarre" first hand. I worked for a major corporation whose name would be immediately recognizable. There was some kind of wierd cult thing happening there. I left before getting involved. But it is very similiar to what people who claim they are victims of electronic mind control experiments are saying. Our government has a history of experimenting on its own people. There are two kinds of folks that will deny this the loudest. The naive kind living in a cave, and those that know it is true. Until we have complete government transparancy, we will be forced to keep speculation! More people need to have the balls to stand up and tell the truth for the sake of future generations. As those who keep tabs on secret gov. experiments say "Who is the silence protecting?"

I'll say it again... PUT OPTIONS, PUT OPTIONS, PUT OPTIONS. Follow the money. Oh yeah, I forgot, the FBI won't let anyone do that....

If one day the sun rose in the West and set in the East, and the media said it was Bin Laden and his magic flying camel that did it, I swear a certain percentage of people would accept that as the answer and go back to watching Anna Nicole on tv.

Fire simutaneously melts all the steel columns causing a text-book perfect symetrical collapse at free-fall speed? NOT POSSIBLE!!! For there to be free-fall speed means there was no resistance below the floors that started falling--there could not have been any substantial solid matter for that would have slowed the whole process down. Only explosives could have done that. You don't have to be an expert to see. Wake the fuck up disbelieving dipshits! 911 was an inside job!

Hey,

I'll get on the spillinggjfgj right wawwwy. Bush is not the only
problem, he's just a figure head. Thanks for the advise. We
will unite, we will unite, we will unite. How's that?

Joshua,
Rosie O'Donnell has a right along with all the other so called 911 conspiracy theorists to say and believe what she wants regardless if it is true or not. Here's the what you are failing to grasp. When you have a large segment of the population that are so distrustful of their own government that they start to say things out loud like"I think the 911 was an inside job, I think my government was involved" then you and I and WE have a problem.

The problem is this. The United States Government has a long, long history of not only lying to it's own people but also of experimenting and committing atrocities on those same people as well people in other countries.

When you consider the fact of the Tuskegee experiments, of Gulf War Syndrome, of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, Iran-Contra, Cointel-Pro, U.S. support of human rights violators like Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran, Watergate etc. etc. You get the idea right? The list is endless of the morally bankrupt and criminal activities our government has engaged in under the guise of freedom, liberty national security whatever.

The point is people no longer have a reason to trust this administration or any administration that came before it or will come after it. You also start to see a pattern of abuse by this country that if you are looking is pretty easy to see. If U.S. government were a person you might call them homicidal or sociopathic.

So in some ways it doesn't really matter if 911 was an inside job or blowback. People are frustrated and they want answers. They are entitled to answers. People have specific questions about the events of 911 that so far no branch of government has adequately explained. I don't know your educational background but mine is in science and technology, so while I'm not a metallurgy specialist or an engineer I've looked at some of the questions raised and data gathered by the so called 911 conspiracies and I have to say some of it (not all) has merit. Again people have questions and so far no good answers have been given, in fact just the same old song and dance routine and double speak is much of what we've gotten.

One thing that often gets overlooked is that common people have a collective wisdom that goes beyond the advanced degrees and pedantic behaviors of so called experts. In fact it's been my experience that average people are observant and savvy when it comes to things that really count.
I read the Popular Mechanics reply to the 911 crowd and I didn't find it to be all that compelling and certainly not conclusive. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and certainly this incident with Rosie is a sign of the times. I support her in quest for the truth and for accountability from this administration.

So while having celebrities as the poster child for a cause is not the optimal situation, this is also an indicator of American Society. In this case I don't beleive Rosie's taking up the cause is a detriment because she is one of the few media figures out ther brave enough to speak out. Here is something that I've learned ovee the years as an activist and organizer. Sometimes people don't know how to articulate what they are feeling or even talk on the specific points of an issue. All they know is that they have a feeling inside that something isn't right. I always encourage people to speak out regardless because I know that they will find their voice among other things along the way.

No matter how you say it Josh, you are an AlterNet nonbeliever in any 9/11 conspiracy theory other than the government's. Don't listen to him folks, everything he says about 9/11 is slanted. Also, don't believe what he says about Mexico's elections - you know they weren't rigged, don't you Josh? Josh is a mole and a good one too.

Good Job!! Regardless of the intent...or the slant....you did what
Alternet pays you for...and that is to coax people to vent on this site! The more "hits" the better! So...from a business stand point
...I`d be glad your on my payroll.
But when you post a story...that attracts the amount of posts that this story does(562 as of 7pm est) WOW! It is a story that will not die! It is the story of our generation if not the one of the ultimate scenarios in ancient prognostications!! Regardless.....
when you have a response to a story ...on this magnitude....
something is going on!!! Something is way out of wack!! There is a story out here that is freekin smokin....and major outlets refuse to touch it!!!!!!!! Queer??? Weird??? Dangerous???
So many good posts here. So many great questions. Regardless whether or not steel will melt from fuel oil,and whether or not one or more of the N.Y. buildings were brought down on purpose,the whole deal stunk and until the truth be
exposed(and to what justice will we agree to) this particular story will be "the topic" till we die.
So again Josh....good story! Regardless of your true intentions and beliefs...you spoon fed us one wopper and we readers appreciate that!!!!!!!Alternet!!!GIVE HIM A RAISE!

Lover her or hate her, you have to give her credit for speaking on a topic that so may find taboo,and coming to the correct conclusion at that; I'm sure the administration is blacklisting her as we speak, it was an inside job the evidence is there, it was designed to take over Middle Eastern Oil, and was probably all done in partnership with Saudi Arabia, remember folks Bush had stolen an election there was an illigitimate president, so what better way to cover everything than by creating a "tragedy" this tactic has been done before in history. I don't understand why people can accept what the Nazi's did in the Reichstag, but have a hard time believing 9/11 was rigged, come folks let's face it happened its time to grow up as a person time to read back towards human history and realize that this was not the first time a government has tried to influence public opinion and cover illegal actions by creating tragedy, read The Prince by Niccolo Machavelli, that's the handbook of the Bush Administration.

Conspiracy kooks are harmless & ineffectual, & very funny!

As someone who used to work at WTC, I've wondered in the past why I never meet any of these freaks in real life. I've concluded that except for Rosie, none of them ever leave their keyboards long enough to participate in real life.

From Tilden to Iraq we are manipulated into believing anything and everything. Each generation loses. Loses monetary wealth, property, rights and the ability to speak out against the lie we hear everyday. Good for Rosie and fuck Trump and his apprentices.

You guys can argue all day long about falling NYC buildings, but not one believer has yet explained what happened to American Airlines Flight 77 after it circled Washington at low altitude and headed for the Pentagon.

According to the conspiracy theorists, a missile hit the building, not a jetliner. Will somebody please tell me what happened to the 757? The wife of an airline buddy of mine was on that plane. He and his kids would like an answer.

Hugh E. Scott -- retired Continental Airlines captain and the editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

Dang, you guys post fast. See my post above if any of you have what I am looking for.

I always found Rosie to be an annoying woman, and not particularly funny, though she was great in A League of Their Own. I now have more than a lot of respect for her.

I could spend the next 30 minutes typing, refuting line by line the bullshit Holland has spewed here, but I will only say this: no celebrity is jumping on the 9-11 truth movement to become popular or boost a career. It's the fucking kiss of death, you dumbass! And neither Sheen (highest paid actor on TV) or Rosie need a boost.

And all of us can cite experts on the melting point od steel without being experts ourselves. Holland cites experts all the time. He calls it journalism.

Did anyone bother to watch the video clip? Huh?

I fail to see what the controversy is. She didn't say anything that 'went over the line'.

And, I could give a sh!t what a bunch of AOL members said about it. Have you ever read past polls that AOL members have taken? Have you? I suggest ALL of your go to AOL and read the polls. You will find the most asinine things they believe. They believe that Jesus talks to Bush. They believed that Iraq had WMDs. Most of them still do. Read the damn polls. Find out how much they hate the rest of the world. Then you will see that the controversy exists SOLELY in their minds. Their feeble minds.

At a MoveOn.org meeting last month (I'm a member), one of the persons present -- a lady aerospace engineer -- said in all seriousness that stealth government aircraft were seeding U.S. skies at night with barium particles that, once inhaled, could be used to control our minds and make us sound crazy.
Now, after all the 9/11 bullshit on this AlterNet subject, I believe her.

Hugh E. Scott -- editor of King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.

...to say that we are headed into a time where military spending will continue to go up and the real needs of the people will not be met...it seems impossible to stop greater spending on these weapons of mass distraction, and the people don't seem to mind!

the question about 'do governments create situations in which war will be precipitated' does not even have to be asked--it is certain.

Either you are for the truth or you are for the real terrorists.

I salute Rosie and anybody else that asks the questions that need to be asked concerning 9/11. Why did the 9/11 Commission ignore WTC7? Instead of answering Rosie’s questions, they attack her for her weight or sexual preference.

Sure fire melts steel, but the 9/11 fires were not infernos. People were able to stand in the hole were the planes crashed in the towers, could they do that if the heat was so hot as to melt steel? Do I have to worry that fire will now melt my wood stove?

Can you imagine a world were Hitler won?
It is happening here and now!

There is a petition to support Rosie. I am # 523.
http://keeprosie.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

For inquiring minds – J. Holland’s “unofficial” Alternet line on the 911 issue:

“I've examined all the arguments in support of the idea that 9/11 was an inside job with as open a mind as I could bring to the task, and found them to be piss-poor. I know True Believers will never buy that, but that's the beginning, middle and end of it.”

[Posted by: joshua_holland@alternet.org on Apr 4, 2007 10:35 AM]

Fascinating…

And so – by default – Holland again supports an official corporate-rigged Washington 911 conspiracy fantasy as the one and only argument that is apparently not “piss-poor” .

How quaint ‘n cozy.

But framing the 911 issue as if an “inside job” case is the “beginning, middle and end” of any real debate is intellectually bankrupt and dishonest.

And it’s a corrupt line held across the MSM from the faux “right” to the sellout “left”.

As I’ve said before, laying a cheap, mono-tone “inside job” label on a so-called “Truth Movement” as a fallback excuse to ignore a proven national 911 COVER-UP is far from credible.

Very far indeed.

Either you are for the truth or you are for the real terrorists.

You sound like a neocon. Everything is black or white. Either you're with us or against us.

I do not believe the official report. I support the movement's quest to expose the truth. Do they know exactly what that truth is? No. Do you know what that truth is? Well show me and tell me where your expert evidence and opinion detail that....oh wait, you can't because no single person can ever do that.

The TRUTH at this point is that we know something is wrong. We don't know what that is, why that is, or how it got that way. All we have is speculation. And on that SPECULATION you people throw accusations and insults. And you have the gall to say that you know its the TRUTH.

Do you think the Saudi Hijackers ( alleged ) (whose close acquaintances where video taped going on all the planes that were destroyed) on the flight that went down in PA. and whose cellphone conversations with loved ones about it were described, do you think they were a part of the whole conspiracy?? Amazing !! This is like something out of mission impossible !! And when Osama said that 'we' did it, was he referring to the Muslim 'ummah' or himself and his merry band of Robin Hoods, or, could they have actually hoodwinked him into doing this?? Or has he just been a shill propaganda 'mole' invented by the mission impossible ruling class ???

Forget innuendo and conjecture........the commision studying 9-11 had an ENGINEERING study............what they investigated with science, to my knowledge, and there really hasn't been a refutation from the scientific (engineering) group.

So who you gonna believe??? If you question it, have an engineering review done.....Would make a great Phd. thesis.

We want credit, dammit!

I'm a physicist and I'm here to help you...

Fire melts steel every day. How does anyone think they make the damn stuff in the first place?

But one doesn't have to actually turn steel to a liquid to make it unable to carry the load for which it's designed, because its strength is greatly reduced at higher temperatures which are still considerably below the melting point. The building is designed to stay up with the steel at regular temperatures, not elevated ones where the steel may only be half or a third as strong as normal. Buildings can only be over-built to a certain degree.

In a 'normal' skyscraper fire, the flame retardant over-coating on the steel structural members would protect these pieces long enough for sprinkler systems and/or firemen to control the fire well enough way before the structural integrity of the building was threatened. At least that's how things are designed.

This obviously wasn't the case at the WTC, where the impact of the planes not only blew off much of the flame retardant in the impact area but also physically removed much of the structural steel in those areas, adding to the load in adjacent structural pieces, which themselves were likely stressed/weakened due to the concussion of the impact, and then done in by heat over the subsequent hour or so.

The massiveness of the damage and the prolonged large fires heating the structural steel doomed the buildings. Once the things start coming down, the lower levels cannot halt the collapse because the building is designed to carry known static loads, not large dynamic ones. The symmetry of the process is a result of the simple fact that gravity pulls straight down, coupled with the fact that the buildings were built very plumb to begin with.

There's just no unexplained physics IMO from the great distance at which I've viewed all this that requires explosives or anything else in the way of an 'inside job'.

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