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Punish the Right-Wing Liars

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted January 31, 2007.


If the right-wing media keeps spreading lies like the one about Barack Obama supposedly going to a madrassa as a child, it's time to consider hiring the meanest lawyers on the planet to fight these creeps.
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"Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?" -- From Hannity.com, long after the "madrassa" story had been debunked

Nearly two years before the next presidential election, we've already set the tone: Even the most outrageous media fictions about candidates are apparently going to go unpunished.

At least that was my thought, after watching last week's unfolding of the Obama-madrassa scandal -- the unofficial starting gun for the Great Slime Race, as the 2008 presidential campaign will someday be known. I found the entire affair puzzling. I know for sure that if I made a journalistic "mistake" of that magnitude, I'd be spending the rest of my life picking strawberries in the Siberian tundra. Most print journalists I know would expect the same thing; the legal ramifications alone of intentionally going to print with a story that missed by that much would guarantee that 80 cents out of every dollar you made for the next ten years would go to the victim of your libel. That's unless you're Tom Friedman and you can use congenital idiocy as a defense in court.

For some reason, however, we never see full-blown libel suits in high-level political journalism. Moreover, there appears to be a completely different standard for talk-radio and TV talk-show hosts, who are somehow allowed to lie and fuck up with impunity, and still remain employed. I get the feeling that as a society we have decided to give a collective pass to serial media swindlers like Sean Hannity simply because we never expect them to actually document the "facts" that come spewing in mass volumes out of their zoster-covered mouths every day. We actually expect them to pull most of their material out of their asses, and are mostly content to address the problem by pompously correcting their errata post-factum in whiny media-crit outlets like...well, like this one. Actual real punishment never seems to be forthcoming.

The Obama incident was a perfect example. After Fox outlets, Insight magazine and the Roger Ailes morning vehicle Fox and Friends erroneously reported that a source in "Hillary Clinton's camp" had uncovered that Barack Obama had been schooled in a "madrassa" in his youth in Indonesia, CNN dispatched a reporter to the school in question and found that the tale was totally false, that there were religion classes only once a week at the school and that the school had not even a hint of Wahabbite influence. Moreover, Hillary Clinton's camp denied having anything to do with the story. "They made it up," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said.

Fox responded with a classic "Eat me you clowns!" send-off, with Fox anchor John Gibson bitching that John Vause, the CNN reporter who blew up their report, "probably went to the very [same] madrassa." Ultimately there was a reluctant "retraction" of sorts on Fox and Friends, but if you pay careful attention, the statement read by Fox anchor Steve Doocy isn't a retraction at all. Here's what he said:

Doocy: : One other thing. We want to clarify something: On Friday of last week, we did the story from Insight magazine where we talked about how they were quoting that Barack Obama, when he was a child growing up in Indonesia, had attended a madrassa. Well, Mr. Obama's people called and they said that that is absolutely false. They said the idea that Barack Obama went to a radical Muslim school is completely ridiculous. In his book it does say that he went to a mostly Muslim school but not to a madrassa.
Obviously there is absolutely no admission of error here; they only concede that Barack Obama himself claims the story is false, which is what most people expect a politician to do even after a true expose. Doocy read his text with the tone of a junior-high bully wiseass ripping off a school-mandated "apology" in front of the class; his tone clearly indicated that he, and Fox, were greatly annoyed by the inconvenience of having to "clarify" anything for anyone.

Not only that, but well after the story had been crushed by every reputable news outlet in America, the Fox-affiliated Hannity continued to have the Insight story up, uncorrected, on the front page of his website. It's still there now, lingering like a hemorrhoid, as I write this piece.

I'm not sure if people realize exactly how serious a situation this is. The way our national media is currently constructed, a lie of this magnitude broadcast on a major network becomes an irreversible blow within, I would guess, about 24 hours after it appears. There are rare cases of an unsourced hoax blowing up quickly enough that it won't stick to a politician -- the John Kerry mistress story is a good example -- but for the most part, once the lie is out there, it's there to stay. This is especially true given the nature of the audience for outlets like Fox and Hannity. Unless you force a Hannity or a John Gibson to apologize by ripping his own still-beating heart out on national television, their audiences will assume that any "retraction" comes with a grain of salt, that the original report was true.

Years after George Bush himself admitted that there is no link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, I continue to meet people who believe just the opposite -- that the original implications furthered by the White House and the talk-radio preachers were true, and that the no-link concession was something somehow forced on Bush and the likes of Fox by hyper-cautious media lawyers and lefty journalists who, it is assumed, harbor some secret allegiance to Saddam Hussein and/or the cause of Islamic terrorism in general.

This unwillingness to believe the "reputable" media outlets' final judgments about such controversies is now endemic and a result of a number of factors, most of those having to do with the failure of the mainstream media to perform vigilantly in the face of various bald national deceptions.

After the debacle of 2000, for instance, many people automatically distrust the published verdicts about election results, choosing to assume that votes were stolen by one side or the other and that the commercial media is a fellow-traveler tied to whichever side you choose to think is rigging the game -- Republicans or Democrats, both sides are regularly suspected. And though few people probably register the issue consciously, there has to be some kind of fallout when the population is fed "They hate us for our freedom" by "reputable" media outlets as an explanation for the 9/11 attacks. When the media trades so blatantly in such egregious, transparent bullshit, why shouldn't their audiences choose to make their own decisions about truth and untruth?

The lesson of all this -- and of the Iraq war, the Swift Boat controversy, and indeed the whole careers of swine like Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage and the like -- is that unless you prevent the lie from coming out to begin with, it doesn't really matter what happens afterward. In the Internet age, and with no kind of regulation of the "facts" that are circulated on afternoon radio, once that genie is out of the bottle, he's staying out.

Moreover, we live in an age in which an increasing number of unscrupulous media creatures make phony/misleading rhetorical arguments and cover themselves by "citing" media reports that may be still floating around on the internet, long after they've been debunked. Rush Limbaugh is the master of this technique. A classic Limbaugh news-reference involved a mountain-lion attack in Colorado (hyping alleged liberal overconcern for deadly mountain lions is a surprisingly hardy staple of right-wing radio entertainment); Limbaugh wanted to argue that PC-mad animal rights activists had raised more money for the lion cub than had been raised for the victim's family. "As of May 23, the orphaned mountain lion had received $21,000 in donations and Barbara Schoener's two kids had received around $9,000," was how Rush put it, way back in 1994. The story was total bullshit and had been exposed as such for more than a month at the time Rush came out with that story.

And once he realized he could do this without suffering consequences, he just kept on doing it, which is why his listeners over the years have been treated to such nuggets of wisdom as "There's no such thing as an implied contract," "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive," "The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent," "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe," "Banks take the risks in insuring student loans," "Anita Hill followed Clarence Thomas everywhere," and "$14,400 for a family of four-- that's not so bad." There are endless lists of these casually-told lies that stick long after debunking -- anyone interested in seeing the full list can check out sites like fair.org.

Now we're seeing the same thing with the Obama story; it is lingering, even after it has been totally discredited. Emboldened by a generation that has refused to punish their libelous behavior, these guys now just take whatever "facts" they like and run with them. Hannity is one culprit. Michael Savage, a spineless little fuckhead who should be torn apart by hyenas, responded to the debunking of the Obama story by telling his listeners that Obama "will not reply" to the original Insight report, a blatant lie. He added, for good measure, that "assuming the world is still here" after a Clinton-Obama administration, Obama would then run for president with "Saddam Hussein's younger grandson" as his running mate.

The very fact that the liars are allowed to continue their trade unpunished is a sort of endorsement of their original versions of the "truth." I have absolutely no doubt that many Americans believe deep down in their gullible hearts that if people like Hannity and Limbaugh were really liars, they would be pulled off the air, or punished for some reason. They see that a Michael Savage can be yanked from a lucrative job for gay-bashing, but there appears to be no punishment at all for unchecked, intentional lying, which is at least as serious an offense for a journalist.

The results of widespread public disenfranchisement with the media are already out in the open for everyone to see -- wild conspiracy theories running rampant on both sides of the political aisle, great masses of the population eschewing reporting and appealing to Biblical interpretations of world events, and the explosion of a blogger movement that on the one hand has greatly enhanced press freedom, but on the other has inspired "mainstream" media organs to dispense with traditional fact-checking procedures in a desperate attempt to compete with the speed of the Internet and cable news. The direction all of this is traveling in is a future of pure informational mayhem, in which people will have absolutely no reliable means to make political decisions, leaving the political landscape ripe to be seized by demagogues and swindlers of all stripes, the public with no defense against political and environmental corruption, etc.

If the press is serious about saving itself as a social institution, it has to start policing its own business. We all have to encourage the likes of Barack Obama to hire the meanest lawyers on the planet and to file the hairiest lawsuits imaginable against the Hannitys, Gibsons, and Savages of the world. We have to impress upon the victims of these broadsides that choosing to ignore that style of libel is a betrayal of the public trust and an act of political cowardice that the rest of us end up paying for in spades. That's the ugly truth: Until one of those monsters goes down in a fireball of punitive litigation, we are all fucked. And it's not going to happen anytime soon.

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Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

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My favorite Hannity lies
Posted by: phreephallin on Jan 31, 2007 10:22 AM   
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We found WMD's in Iraq.
Valerie Plame was not a CIA covert operative.

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» RE: My favorite Hannity lies Posted by: dikaiosyne
» F'ing Hilarious Posted by: u r on crack
» RE: My favorite Hannity lies Posted by: tirebiter
blue pill please
Posted by: squintyken on Jan 31, 2007 10:41 AM   
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" I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here. Why, oh why didn't I take the blue pill? " -cypher, Matrix
(sigh)

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» RE: blue pill please Posted by: AppleMommie AZ
» RE: blue pill please Posted by: Rolomax
What the the exact laws in these cases? Any lawyers out there?
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 31, 2007 11:49 AM   
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I'm not a lawyer but I seem to recall some deal about "public figures" being allowed to be slandered or held up to ridicule? That Larry Flynnt movie comes to mind. I know that some countries (like the UK) seem to have stricter libel laws. But I'm really not sure on where the line is drawn in the USA (does it have to been so unbelieveable so that its a sure 'satire'? can it be an subtle, believeable lie? does anything go? do you need to show actual financial damages? is there a difference between 'entertainment' programs and 'news' programs?). Any lawyers out there?

ps: nobody touches on the HUSSEIN issue. I find that point interesting because it cannot be a coincident that his middle name (notice unused by him in recent times) comes from the most famous militant Shi'te martyr Hussein who was killed in the Battle of Karbala and is still celebrated today.)

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» The Baa'th Party was Stalinist Posted by: lessbread
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» Whatever Dude Posted by: lessbread
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» "News" versus "Entertainment"? Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» Quoting other sources Posted by: albrechtkrausse
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More serious media attack:
Posted by: rwa on Jan 31, 2007 12:28 PM   
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As expected, the attack Iran hype has slipped into overdrive.

“The Pentagon is investigating whether an attack on a military compound in Karbala on January 20 was carried out by Iranians or Iranian-trained operatives, a U.S. official told CNN on Tuesday…. Some Iraqis speculate that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps carried out the attack in retaliation for the capture by U.S. forces of five of its members in Irbil, Iraq, on January 11, according to a Time.com article published Tuesday.”

In other words, CNN, as a faithful propaganda handmaiden, is speculating, thus adding fuel to the attack Iran fire now smoldering, ready to break out into a five alarm conflagration, as planned, with the appropriate admixture of irresponsible speculation, as usual backed up with little more than thin air.
“Some Iraqis speculate that the IRGC has already started a campaign of revenge with the killing of five American soldiers in Karbala on Jan. 20, nine days after the arrest of the IRGC [Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.] members in Erbil. As the logic of the rumor goes, five American soldiers were killed for five Iranians taken; [the attack at the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in] Karbala was an IRGC message to release its colleagues—or else,” writes Robert Baer for Time Magazine, basing his story on rumor and hearsay, a common enough modus operandi for corporate journalists these days...
John Negroponte, “told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that an emboldened Iran presented new difficulties for U.S. interests in Iraq, the Gulf region, Lebanon and in Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking,” reports Reuters. Naturally, the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, its continuing occupation, its support for reactionary and decadent Gulf monarchies, and above all else its unfailing and unconditional support for the brutal settler state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians has nothing to do with these ostensible “new difficulties.”

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=742

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» RE: More serious media attack: Posted by: aussidawg
Why are we even discussing this?
Posted by: MThomson on Jan 31, 2007 12:44 PM   
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Please! Some lawyer respond to my inquiry! I'm a low-level journalist, but I have been appalled at the downright lies that have been pushed as NEWS over the past 15 years. Why don't (can't) people like Obama, Kerry and Clinton SUE these people for printing such egregious errors in reporting without meaningful retraction. What do our libel laws mean, what are they worth, if they can't stop this echo chamber of bullshyte!

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Here's another lie
Posted by: mizipi on Jan 31, 2007 1:28 PM   
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The United States of America is a free and democratic nation.

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» RE: Here's another lie Posted by: Andie927
Mid-Americana can't afford eternal vigilence
Posted by: eddie torres on Jan 31, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Sorry Matt, but Americans are too busy spending their equity loans to pay the price of freedom. That's why the meanest lawyers on the planet work for Exxon-Mobil - because everyone else has little or no net worth.

The meanest lawyers aren't interested in fighting the "good fight" on behalf of a bunch of 14B-31s. ("Mid Americana" - see Acxiom 'Personicx' classification chart of US citizens)

But thanks for keeping your eye on the asylum.

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Limbaugh's little smackdown
Posted by: mr.ed on Jan 31, 2007 1:56 PM   
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As I recall, Rush got quickly booted off a sports program for making racist comments. Poor, starving baby.

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Has everyone seen.....
Posted by: Mewsician on Jan 31, 2007 2:31 PM   
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....."Idiocracy"? If you haven't, run don't walk to the nearest rental place and watch it. Because with a nation full of so many uncurious, unquestioning, anti-intellectual and hate-filled people, that movie gives us a stark look at what's ahead. Watch it and weep.

A nation gets the democracy it deserves. Ever wonder why the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh are NOWHERE near as powerful abroad as they are here? The reason is simple - the people in most industrialized nations like France and Canada take seriously their job of knowing better. There are right-wing idiots everywhere, but NOWHERE are there as many outright ignorant, uninformed citizens as we have plaguing us here in the U.S. We are filled to the rafters with people willing to tolerate and foster the ignorance and lies of Sean Hannity et al. God help us all.

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» RE: Has everyone seen..... Posted by: Daves not here man
» RE: Has everyone seen..... Posted by: Lauren
A big hairy libel suit sounds about right
Posted by: lessbread on Jan 31, 2007 2:32 PM   
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I'd think that ditto heads would get a clue that they've been lied to for years after Limbaugh admitted it in the wake of last year's elections: "I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried." Alas, even that admission wasn't enough. These blowhards survive because their shows afford their listeners justifications to continue living in denial. They provide an insulation from reality and a protection against doubts. Those shows afford their listeners the chance to go on their merry way telling themselves, "It's not my SUV that's killing the planet. It's not my addiction to oil that's bringing war to the Middle East. It's not my ignorance that's destroying democracy. It's those damn liberals..."

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OH BOY - THEY GOT IT COMING!!
Posted by: chanceny on Jan 31, 2007 2:34 PM   
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When CBS fired Dan Rather for reporting the truth, discrediting our uniting/decider Clueless George's lack of armed service actual service, (albeit with questoinable documentation), that said it all! When decorated war veteran Sen. Jonn Kerry, was accused of cowardice and shooting a Vietnamese child in the back, the mainstream media booked the perpetrators of the fraud on all their bs 'news' shows. So many little slanders, so many vilifications of honest men and women, so little vengeance seeking. Pres. Clinton couldn't escape the multitude of vicious slander that hounded him from day one. The machine was well oiled as soon as he won election, thus ruining the wet dream of the neoconartists - immediate gratification in enacting their warped vision of world domination. They had to endure democratic rule for 8 long insufferable years, but would do so while inflicting as much pain, distortion, innuendo and outright outrageous lies, with absolutely no thought to the harm they were unleashing on our country. With the aiding and abetting of our mainstrean, deballed, corporate lacky media, a popular and qualified president was embarrassed and impeached. Our country was humiliated. Hillary called it 'a great right-wing conspiracy and she was labelled paranoid and delusional. Now we're reaping what has been sown by these corporate-owned liars. We can't sit idly by, a retraction here, a bs apology there. We need to fight each and every slander the second it falls from the twisted drooling hole spouting it. We must OK Corral. We can't bipartisan. We certainly should never underestimate the power of hateful rhetoric and believe that the good common sense of Americans will debunk or ignore the hateful crapola flung by these smirking morons holding open microphones or writing mendacious and sordid stories. Let's do a Cheney on their asses. Fire a fistful of truthful buckshot at their bullshitting faces and watch the chickenhawk chickenshit cowards run amok! IT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO!!

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» Oh PLEASE. Posted by: Aimleft
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Res Ipsa Loquitor
Posted by: Skate Daddy on Jan 31, 2007 3:18 PM   
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I think Dr. Thompson would be proud of your writing.

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Lying will stop when liars are punished
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Jan 31, 2007 4:06 PM   
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Remember the old Enquirer, full of made up stories about celebrities? They were successfully sued by a number of their victims, and that little rag now checks facts carefully before they publish. A billion-dollar lawsuit against Faux Noise would clean them up, too.

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State of Lies
Posted by: bohdan on Jan 31, 2007 4:07 PM   
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We have been living in a state of lies ever since Bush assumed the Presidency. Granted all administrations have lied at some level, but the trend in this administration has spread like a cancerous plague, leaving no one safe from the Republican virus of deceit.

The news media can write articles and voice opinions about how President George W. Bush and his cronies have lied about this and that. (In fact, what took them so long to realize that.) But, this still means nothing. Such revelations of Truth have become the back and forth cackle of gossiping spin masters signifying nothing, as nothing has changed.

Hypocrisy has enjoyed a stable home in the Republican state of mind. Unfortunately it has also cost thousands of innocent lives. And will continue to bring home more coffins of brave soldiers who are being used as fodder for delusional vanity.

To stop this near psychotic mania the real deal will finally surface only when one reporter, that first one, upon being chosen by President Bush to ask a question at one of his press opportunities, stands up and summons the Strength and Courage to ask, " Mr. President, when you lied about...!" Or, at the very least,... “Mr. President, were you lying when you said that you always listened to what your Generals and Commanders had recommended...?” --- And with a follow up to address his evasiveness as it is sure to be offered instead of the Truth.

That's what it will take --- before the rest of them will do the same. It's time for someone to say that the Emperor has no clothes to his face.

That's also when the evidence for "IMPEACHMENT" will be brought forth before the American Public, as it should be for such crimes, and that's when it will mean something. Now we only hear the Truth as it is, "...twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools." (Kipling)

Just as Republicans with the help of the media frenzy constantly accused Clinton of lying about his "private life", that "lie" brought the Public into play, so can the Press bring out the Truth in Bush's hierarchy? And let's put Bush and Cheney under oath as well. Only then, will the Wisdom of Truth find its place in our great land.

Until then, lying continues to be the United States government's national pastime. We have come to expect it. We take it for granted. We kill and die for it. And the shadows of sadness remain our constant companions..

--- WHO WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK FOR THE TRUTH?

So far, no one!

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» RE: State of Lies Posted by: Lauren
Solution: Bring cable nets into purview of revamped FCC
Posted by: Moonray on Jan 31, 2007 4:54 PM   
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Successfully suing the U.S. media for libel is very difficult because you have to prove malicious intent. Such suits should be pursued where practical, but in the meantime we should demand that Congress rewrite laws to:

-- Revamp the FCC to make it a progressive, public-oriented body instead of the shameless industry tool it is now.

-- Bring cable networks under the FCC and bring back the Fairness Doctine to help ensure that a wide variety of views are presented. The cable net move might be difficult to achieve, but a good argument can be made in court that cable nets transcend the private sector and in effect are public utilities.

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If Hannity is innocent then Josef Goebbels is also innocent.
Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 31, 2007 5:31 PM   
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Joesef Goebbels probably turning in his grave
looking at all this scum that we call corporate media

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Hit 'em where it hurts
Posted by: kladinvt on Jan 31, 2007 5:50 PM   
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Just as the solution for dealing with born-agains who meddle in politics is to reverse their tax-exemptions;
the best way to get back at those on 'hate-tv' is to introduce A LA CARTE TV!
If viewers had the opportunity to choose the TV stations they will have to pay for on their cable, it's pretty obvious that FoxNews would lose quite a bit of their viewership...along with Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, the shopping channels etc....
Take away their revenue & they'll shut-up!

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» RE: Hit 'em where it hurts Posted by: diegueno
» RE: Hit 'em where it hurts Posted by: Lauren
more to worry about
Posted by: opeluboy on Jan 31, 2007 6:48 PM   
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Actually, I agree that Fox should be ridiculed whenever possible, but there are several other lies, and much more dangerous to us all, that are regularly repeated by even the so-called"liberal media:

Sadam kicked the weapons inspectors out.

Arafat turned down a generous offer.

Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

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» RE: more to worry about Posted by: Paul D
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Use Your Head
Posted by: braxxian on Jan 31, 2007 7:13 PM   
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Characters like Hannity and Coulter get by on sheer volume and spite. The best way to combat these stormtroopers in suits is to be educated and know the truth. There are many great books and sources of information on the net about world affairs. So go out there and learn the truth for yourself. Information is power and the last thing these bafoons what is people who kow what's going on in the world. Anyone stupid enough to listen to the likes of Hannity or Coulter deserve whatever they get.

Don't be a sheep.

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It's a question of ownership...that's all
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 31, 2007 7:58 PM   
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If you want to know why the lies that Fox News 'personalities' spew forth on a daily basis go unquestioned, just look at what else Murdoch's NewsCorp owns:
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/newscorp.asp

Almost all corporate media is controlled by one of the following conglomerates: TimeWarner, Viacom, NewsCorp, General Electric, Disney and Advance Publications.

The general trend is for them to layoff more and more people every year, and send direct feeds from corporate headquarters to the outlying districts - so only a handful of propaganda voices are heard, and they are heard everywhere. It's the same approach that Nazi Germany used in their propaganda broadcasts, as well as the Soviet Union: the "Voice of the People"...whatever. Goebbels, the father of modern public relations, shot himself in the head in the end. If only all of his modern followers would do the same.

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» RE: Goebbels Posted by: zipper696
Barack Obama Got Fox in His own way
Posted by: lafrance on Jan 31, 2007 8:50 PM   
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He has Roger Ailes calling his office twice now pleading with them.
How did Sen. Obama punish the creeps at Faux News?
He did not go on all the programs whining or playing victim as Hillary would do. No. He did it quietly, effectively and with his usual class.
He froze them. He cut them off. No news, no interviews. nothing.
He has given interviews to all the other outlets about various topics but, no new for you! Fox is in a panic and so, Ailes is now calling the Senator's office pleading....
that is how you teach the creeps at Fox.

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drew
Posted by: drew on Feb 1, 2007 2:13 AM   
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While realizing that, practically, it would be a political disaster for a candidate to be associated with a madrassa the fact that it would be a potent charge reflects not just on the liars but also on the receptivity of the people to whom they were lying. There is an inherent bigotry against muslims in the potency of these "charges". We should also be challenging that bigotry as well as the lie itself. We don't raise concerns if a candidate went to a catholic or a baptist school. If we are to defend freedom of religion the people who would accept this lie as a relevant and condeming fact should also be held accountable.

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» Challenge the bigotry Posted by: rwa
You people are as bad as the mythmakers
Posted by: oneyedjack on Feb 1, 2007 3:47 AM   
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You folks really need to get out in the world once in awhile. You - by virtue of your inane comments - perpetuate the damn lies. Madrassa or Madrasah is an Arabic word for school. Not a terrorist school, not a Taliban school, not a hate the infidel school, but a damn school. By your dizzying debates you help perpetuate the myth.

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» omg "Obama went to a school" Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: omg "Obama went to a school" Posted by: hellofriends
Standards
Posted by: mizipi on Feb 1, 2007 3:51 AM   
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One thing for sure, the rightwing press machine holds those whom they deem "liberal" to much higher standards than those whom they cheer for. Think of what "whooping and hollering" would be coming from the likes of Limbaugh and Coulter had an aid of VP Gore shot a dog, much less a lawyer/human being - to use an obviuous example. Anyway, there's a thing called karma........................

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» RE: Standards Posted by: Lauren
Go after masters
Posted by: ng1944 on Feb 1, 2007 4:58 AM   
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Hannity is just barking dog on orders from his owner.
Go after their masters, Murdocks of all sorts

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Dubious Honor
Posted by: Urstrly on Feb 1, 2007 5:01 AM   
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Didn't I just read that Roger Ailes got some sort of Freedom of Speech award from a media group? I agree with a previous writer that the best recourse is to freeze them out. Certainly that's what the Bush White House has done to reporters it doesn't like.

In the meantime, we need the Fairness Doctrine back more than ever. Sure, it promoted a kind of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, but at least TV stations were required to keep track. The right seems to think the FCC is some sort of religious censor to keep sex off of TV. Somehow they don't find blatant lies obscene.

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» RE: Dubious Honor Posted by: Bozwell
» RE: Dubious Honor Posted by: Lauren
HIT THE LYING THIEVING BASTARDS AT FAUX NEWS WHERE IT HURTS!
Posted by: kc10ken on Feb 1, 2007 5:10 AM   
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BOYCOT faux cable news' sponsors.......it's that simple.

Write to ALL of faux cable news' sponsors and tell them EXACTLY why you are boycotting their products.

You have to hit them where it hurts and in the ONLY language that the slime at FAUX cable news understands....$$$$$$$$.

America has HAD ENOUGH of their fucking BULLSHIT. Faux's viewership is down over 25% from last year.

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» Consider the source Posted by: jwg
» RE: Consider the source Posted by: Una Voce
wahhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh
Posted by: johnny boy on Feb 1, 2007 8:52 AM   
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matt...get a grip. It's good for Hillary....back off jack!

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Your Cure is Worse than the Disease
Posted by: druidlaw on Feb 1, 2007 9:00 AM   
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SUE THE BASTARDS? are you for real, Taibbi? Talk about self
hating journalists. We killed ourselves ( literally, by fighting King George and by passing the bill of rights ) to get you the First Amendment, which you have now exercised expertly in debunking the Madrassas story. Hey, wait till you see what they will do with Rudi Giuliani's sex life in Gracie Mansion. And they will not be sueable for Libel...... and if they are, I hope they get court costs ( they, being WE, the Liberal side of candidate bashers, of course ). All's fair in love, war and politics. If Hannity and O'Reilly and the rest want to make themselves laughing stocks when their lies are debunked, so be it. But SUE? intimidate people not to write or say something? Uh Uh! If you don't have an absolutist view of the First Amendment you have a death wish. The people who want to silence you always have a lot more power, money and lawyers than the ones who want to defend freedom of the press. Your only hope is knowing that at the end of the day, that twelve million dollar judgment against you and your paper or publication or blog or whatever will be tossed out and you will get the costs of litigation back. ( which you never will).

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When the truth cannot be found. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 1, 2007 11:40 AM   
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. . .and so the public is forced to make decisions about its government on the basis of whose lies to believe, then democracy becomes impossible to sustain.

Good bye, America.

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Hannity, Rush, et al need disclaimers:
Posted by: Hawksana on Feb 1, 2007 11:43 AM   
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"The primary purpose of this show is entertainment. The content of this show is not checked for truth or accuracy, and some items related here may have little to no basis in fact."

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Really Want To Punish The Right-Wing Liars?
Posted by: ZPaul on Feb 1, 2007 1:04 PM   
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- What to do?
ORGANIZE. Only by organizing can you really "Punish The Right-Wing Liars".

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Start a campaign
Posted by: harpy on Feb 1, 2007 2:10 PM   
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just like all the right-wingers do every time they don't like something they hear. Call, e-mail, write, and keep doing it until they stop! Another little punk-boy that needs to be smacked down is Tucker Carlson, with his snide little remarks about Democrats in general, plus his not-quite-true insinuations constantly about everything involving Democrats, liberals, and progressives.

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» RE: Start a campaign Posted by: Lauren
MAY I DIGRESS ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 1, 2007 2:42 PM   
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I've had very little exposure to the obnoxious people in question. My sanity is important to me. But I can't help but wonder about them. They all have wives/girlfriends. Why are women attracted to them. Is it the money or, aren't they 'really like that'? Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: MAY I DIGRESS ? Posted by: Morell
cut their funds
Posted by: dogguyz on Feb 1, 2007 2:48 PM   
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we can silence the liars and spin slingers by cutting all funding for faith based initiatives now. Your tax dollars are being given to people( fundamentalists) who would literally like to see you and me dead.

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Mouthpiece for the MOB
Posted by: Hal on Feb 1, 2007 4:29 PM   
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“If the right-wing media keeps spreading lies… it's time to consider hiring the meanest lawyers on the planet to fight these creeps.”

This is just another dumbed-down rant from MSM spin-cycle parrot M. Taibbi.

This isn’t about “right-wing media” . It’s about an entire system run and owned as a cartel plutocracy. As a younger and more genuine Rolling Stone journalist Carl Bernstein suggested – it’s about a toy whorehouse Washington and Mockingbird MSM killing joke that takes its marching orders from corporate crime oligarchs.

A criminal parasite class of oligarchs essentially owns the Washington-London and Tel-Aviv axis for blood money private gain. And that formula hasn’t changed from before a robber baron rigged Gilded Age took us from Freedom to Fascism .

As to the law?

Martin Luther King said “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal…” The law is bought and paid for by the usual suspects. Reality on the ground is, our very democracy is a sham where so-called justice from 911 cover-up to phony “war on terror” is a running gag foisted by a murderous plutocracy.



“I DON’T CARE WHO THE GOVERNMENT IS. LET ME CONTROL THE MONEY AND I WILL CONTROL THE COUNTRY.”
MAYER AMSCHEL ROTHSCHILD (attributed to the German godfather of the Rothschild banking cartel and grandfather to his heir Lord Baron Nathaniel Mayer de Rothschild: the de facto owner of the Bank of England and a key promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act. 1744-1812)

“THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE IS AS PURCHASABLE A COMMODITY AS SUGAR OR COFFEE AND I WILL PAY MORE FOR THAT ABILITY THAN FOR ANY OTHER UNDER THE SUN.”
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER (cartel robber baron and promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act in alliance with the Rothschild bloc. Addresses the fact that J.D. Rockefeller considered human life a “commodity” to be bought and sold. Grandfather to David Rockefeller as instigator of the World Bank and IMF. 1839-1937)

“LET ME CONTROL A PEOPLE’S CURRENCY AND I CARE NOT WHO MAKES THEIR LAWS.”
LORD BARON MAYER NATHANIEL DE ROTHSCHILD (as English head of a world Rothschild banking cartel in an attributed talk to bankers, 1912. A “Federal Reserve” Act promoted by Lord Rothschild & J.D. Rockefeller via James Paul Warburg and other American agents was signed by President Wilson into U.S. law 1913. 1840-1915)

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Mr.
Posted by: Tom Blandy on Feb 1, 2007 9:11 PM   
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I'm not sure whether there aren't libel or slander civil suit law that couldn't be used to get deliberate liars. Of course it takes time and money, but if a Limbaugh or O'Reilly had to pay a BIG settlement it might cool him and the other habitual liars off a bit.

I know 4-letter words are common in Rolling Stone, but in ordinary places it's discrediting.

Yours Tom B

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Same place, same space
Posted by: asilsfable on Feb 1, 2007 10:36 PM   
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I wanted to put a referendum on the ballot here in California requiring 'same place, same space' placement for any factual errors. It gets around the 1st amendment issues and hits the outlets where it hurts--prominent placements mean dollars for newspapers, magazines, websites and blogs.

If headlines are wrong, corrections shouldn't be put on page 22 below the fold. Same place, same space would keep media accountable if, for nothing else, to save face.

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Hilarious
Posted by: asilsfable on Feb 1, 2007 10:39 PM   
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Michael Savage, a spineless little fuckhead who should be torn apart by hyenas

Here, here!

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I wish he was Muslim
Posted by: TWilliams on Feb 2, 2007 7:58 AM   
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The US legal system and political system is based on Western cultural norms and it has done nothing but destroyed lives and ruing the planet.

Muslims are not the enemy - they are just misunderstood. The only solution to stop the right wingers is to simply out-vote them. We need to increase immigration from cultures from different Eastern, Southern and Muslim countries. We need to promote multi-cultural education in schools to enlighten the future leaders of Ameria to show them the harm Western Europeans have done to the world.

Obama is a positive sign for the future of America. Western ideology is slowing falling and demographics show it is just a matter of time before the tide changes. The essential issue is to stop the dominion that descendants of western europrans have had on our society. If the US can break away from that and eliminate their power hold America will be free.

I hope he gets elected. Middle East policy will change - no more unilateral support for Israel. Perhaps we can have a good discussion with Pakistan and Iran to stop the mindless Bush war. Wars are cuased by misunderstandings. We need leaders who can inject a lively debate and open the minds of America to realize that just because people look different and believe in a different god they are not evil.

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Nice sentiment
Posted by: redstarwraith on Feb 2, 2007 9:30 AM   
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It's a nice sentiment that these blowhards and hacks and liars could be legally prosecuted to the extent that they deserve. . .but dream a little dream: These things rarely happen. . .at least not to the extent that they actually hurt those whom they're intended to hurt. No, I'm afraid something much more drastic would be far more appropriate. . .I think the thing that would kill off these creeps faster than execution would be enforced mandatory labor. That is the WORST torture you could give to pigs like Hannity, et all.

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Use the Norquist Approach
Posted by: stevietheman on Feb 2, 2007 12:08 PM   
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Can the Faux Noise Channel be drowned in a bathtub?

Ideas, folks, we need ideas!

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POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Gregor on Feb 2, 2007 5:54 PM   
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The people are the honest ones, not our government...As usual, ad naseum. We the People have to take back the power from the petty tyrants. U Roc!

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Libel and Slander
Posted by: sandyboy on Feb 2, 2007 6:28 PM   
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If John Kerry with all his money an his wife's money did not choose to sue the Swift Boaters, then no one else is going to sue the Republican slime machine!

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» RE: Libel and Slander Posted by: zipper696
» Hit Them Where It Hurts Posted by: lessbread
Free speech should be banned
Posted by: TWilliams on Feb 2, 2007 9:10 PM   
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The liberals seem hell bent on restricting free speech. The recent vote of democrats in congress requiring restrictions on the speech of bloggers takes the cake.

I thought freedom of speech was a prerequisite for a democracy? I guess not to the power at be in Washington DC...and the liberal media.

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» It's About Accountability Posted by: lessbread
Argonaut94595
Posted by: Argonaut94595 on Feb 2, 2007 9:38 PM   
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The best response to the Republican Slime Machine and the Corporate Media are objective, truth-telling new media that use the low-cost medium of the Web. These media are in the process of evolving right now. An essential element in this evolution must be the public's willingness to pay the full cost of providing their news. No more control of content by advertisers.

One must have faith that once most people experience media content prepared by professional journalists and editors honestly striving for the truth, they will reject the other.

Right now we must fight to ensure the usual suspects don't prevent the birth of new free media through their manipulation of Congress and the FCC. Pay attention to groups like the Electronic Freedom Foundation, and be prepared to act.

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» RE: Argonaut94595 Posted by: zipper696
gregrocker
Posted by: gregrocker on Feb 5, 2007 7:21 PM   
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The airwaves are owned by the public. The right wing has pirated the entire AM radio dial and using dirty tricksters has duped an estimated 50 million Americans, swinging the past 5 out of 6 elections. Only if Congress makes a concerted pushback effort, with high profile public hearings, will the corporations supporting this add some balance to the AM dial which is home to the most threatening disinformation juggernaut in this country's history.

Chief witness should be Kathleen Hall Jamison of the prestigious Annenberg School of Communciation at Penn (funded by the conservative TV Guide fortune) who has studied right wing radio lies for a dozen years and identified mass "false certainty" on almost every issue. Dem elder George Mitchell should also be sworn to explain why as chair of ABC, he allowed his entire radio station network to be taken over by right wing tricksters 24/7 who were allowed to lie without challenge for 15 years - for this he should pay with his reputation at a minimum.

In order to stop the bleeding where Clear Channel is killing off its AAR affiliates, these CC managers should be placed under oath and asked to repeat the lie that they couldn't sell advertising, when in fact they didn't bother hiring ad sales staffs or return phone calls from advertisers. Also key CC stations/AAR affiliates which are glutted with ads like KTLK Los Angeles, Boulder, Portland, Seattle, etc. should testify how they allowed their CC stations to prosper.

Without this full and sustained pushback by Congress in high profile hearings, the temporarily-demoralized rightist radio juggernaut will quickly reinflate over Dem initatives and steamroll every one. As they are wholly reactionary by nature, they will be playing on their ground once again reacting to Dem initiatives with their trademark lying (e.g. "your doctor will go to jail with Hillarycare") rather than forced to carry water for Bush's failed war which only momentarily threw them off their game.

They hold the balance of power in this country. We have the truth to their power, but are shut out of the entire AM radio dial. Either balance the dial, or perish.

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Useful Idiots
Posted by: tobiashorine on Feb 5, 2007 7:27 PM   
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Hey Useful Idiot! It's their opinions and they are entitled to them. It's called the 1st Amendment, and you might want to read it. You are a censor who wants to shut down free speech. Someone should shut you down.

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Hannity, The Catholic Altar Boy
Posted by: bob t on Feb 9, 2007 6:30 AM   
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Just recently Sean Hannity said that he was an altar boy. Wow is he ever laying on the mantra of piety and religion on himself and at the same time appealing to the radical religious right especially the Catholic evangelical radical religious right which unfortunately in Catholicism, my religion and I was an altar boy, is most Catholics who do not want to defy the pope or go to hell which is the message that the present and prior popes have delivered directly during the Kerry campaign and indirectly via Catholic outlets like EWTN, the Catholic cable channel which is radical, right wing, evangelical, obsessed with sex, obsessed with abortion and obsessed with it's dedicated alliance with the rethug party, George Bush and his endless war on the peoples of the middle east. The Catholic Church has changed for the worse since my youth. Since it has crossed over and sold itself to the repub party of Pro-Death and endless greed and political power no matter the cost in religious values or human values. Since Pope John Paul II married the Catholic Church to the repub party before and just after Reagan became prez the church has ceased to be a religion and is now nothing more than a corrupt political organization tightly and staunchly aligned with the rethug party of death and destruction, the shredding of our Constitution and an enemy of my beloved America. My church has joined the slime in the rethug party where social justice and human life mean nothing at all. I am a catholic but most assuredly not their kind of catholic.

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