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The Media's Crush on Karl Rove Isn't Over

By Eric Boehlert, Media Matters for America. Posted November 17, 2006.


Even though Karl Rove's fingerprints are all over the Republicans' huge losses this November, the media still treats him like Washington's biggest genius.
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The Media's Crush on Karl Rove Isn't Over
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"If I were them [Democrats], I'd be scared to death about November's elections."

-- Mark Halperin, director of ABC News' political unit, June 22, 2006

My favorite article from the campaign season appeared in the October 9 issue of Time, in which Mike Allen and James Carney wrote a detailed piece about why Republicans

were not worried about the upcoming elections. "The G.O.P.'s Secret Weapon," read the bold headline. "You think the Republicans are sure to lose big in November? They aren't. Here's why things don't look so bad to them," read the subhead.

The article went on and on about how an "eerie, Zen-like calm" had fallen over GOP operatives who, despite a mountain of public polling data, did not fear big election losses. In fact, they coolly insisted their own prospects were "getting better by the day." Why the tranquility? Lots of reasons, according to Time, including the party's "sophisticated, expensive and largely unnoticed" campaign to identify likely voters. Time also gave the GOP points for playing the expectations game better than Democrats and for having more resources. Time ended on this chipper note: "As long as they [Republicans] end up keeping control of both houses, they still come out the winner on Election Day."

Forget about reading the analysis post-election, with Democrats now busy installing new drapes. The article produced real-time cringes, mostly because of the context, which was virtually void of skepticism. There's nothing wrong with journalists checking in with Republicans and getting their side during the campaign season. But the tone of the Time piece -- the working assumption that Republicans would naturally find a way to outsmart Democrats -- was startling considering the circumstances. Meaning, Bush at the time stood as the most unpopular second-term president in modern history in part because the White House had spent the previous 18 months careening between a series of political debacles (Social Security, Katrina, immigration, port security, Iraq).

In other words, Bush's presidency was in shambles (think Jimmy Carter, circa 1979), yet Time eagerly passed along the transparent spin about how Republican chances were "getting better by the day." Those kinds of simplistic campaign talking points worked wonders with right-wing bloggers and radio talk show hosts who excitedly repeated them as a way to calm their nerves during the campaign homestretch. But Time?

Sure enough, its 1,500-word article did not quote a single Democratic or independent source. It was, in the most literal sense, transparent RNC spin (i.e., "House Republican officials contend that many of their Democratic challengers are so little known that they could be buried in an ad blitz").

Unfortunately, given the disastrous election results for Republicans, the GOP's-sitting-pretty angle became something of an obsession for Time's Allen, who came back to the storyline again and again with October efforts such as "Why The Democratic Wave Could Be A Washout" and "Why Some Top Republicans Think They May Still Have the Last Laugh." And then there was Allen's November 2 blog entry, "Upset in Michigan?" which hyped the Republican-friendly theory that its candidate there had a chance of knocking off incumbent Democratic Sen. Debbie Stabenow. (He didn't; Stabenow won in a landslide.) The dispatch included no polling data to give readers any idea if the Republican even had a chance, and it included no quotes from any Democratic or independent observers. The entire Michigan item consisted of quotes from Republicans insisting their guy really, really had a shot.

Time's string of campaign misses all carried with them the undeniable imprint of Bush senior adviser Karl Rove. (It was fitting Rove gave his first, exclusive post-election interview to Time's Allen, who continued to treat his key White House source very gently.)

The Beltway press' gooey, ongoing crush on Rove has probably set some sort of record for longevity inside the Beltway as Rove's media stature seems to climb with each passing year, despite Bush's accumulating missteps -- missteps Rove helped choreograph (i.e., Terri Schiavo). Forget the fact that Bush needed the U.S. Supreme Court to halt the vote counting in order to secure a win in 2000, that Republicans in 2002 won congressional seats by promising a (phony) war of revenge against Iraq, or that in 2004 Bush, a wartime president who one year earlier boasted booming job approval rating, narrowly defeated a liberal from Massachusetts in the general election. The mainstream media echo chamber has been nearly unanimous; Rove was an organizational genius who had literally cracked the code to winning elections, while his Democratic counterparts wandered around in the electoral dark.


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Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 17, 2006 12:58 AM   
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The bought press followed the Rovian line hook, line and sucker because that's exactly what they were paid to do. Their philosophy is now as it has always been: money knows best which is now obsolete drivel along with father knows best and capital knows best. Another depression on the way after the current stock boom crashes?

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They call it "Bush's Brain"
Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma on Nov 17, 2006 3:14 AM   
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The media wants to believe it's somewhere.

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What Me Rove?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 17, 2006 3:45 AM   
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So Karl Rove's strategy of hitting an opponent's biggest strength has finally backfired? He really believed that he could beat the democrats on the issue of the war in Iraq? (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!) What was he thinking? What the hell was he thinking?

What he was thinking (if at all) doesn't really matter anymore, does it? The nasty little fact they'll have to spend trhe rest of their thime pondering is the fact that the minority party - excuse me - the former minority party - now has the power to issue supeonas. And if the Democrats know what's good for them, they'll start handing them out. LOTS OF THEM.

This may sound like a horrible thin to say, but I want to see these people suffer for what they've done to our once-great nation and the most vulnerable citzens among us. I want to see them come crashing down in shame and utter disgrace. I want to watch the First Fool twist in mentle agony while he's undergoing the complete nervous breakdown that is now only in its embryonic stages. I want the TV cameras to be on Cheney when the pressure gets so intense that he drops dead from the massive haert attack we know is coming any day now. Oh, man! When that happens I'm gonna make a tape loop of it and watch it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ove and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Tom Degan
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» One more thing.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: What Me Rove? Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: What Me Rove? Posted by: Bibs
» Hello, LeeAnnG! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: What Me Rove? Posted by: charlief
» What's So Horrible Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: What's So Horrible Posted by: Bibs
I wonder if
Posted by: WhatNow? on Nov 17, 2006 4:34 AM   
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the german leadership spoke the same way in 1944 and 1945. "The war is going fine. Stand behind your fuhrer. Don't believe the stories you hear coming from the front."

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» Yes they did Posted by: Swatopluk
» Komrade Karl should know Posted by: harpy
and the fakeLeft's obsession with partisan political gossip isn't over with either
Posted by: not_the_preferred_nomenclature on Nov 17, 2006 4:52 AM   
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hey, imagine if you so called "political activists" actually started talking about REAL issues like universal healthcare and taxing the rich, you might actually improve america and make the electorate realize that politics is not just a waste of time. But you fakeLeft cultists (and you counterpart, the "Conservatives") don't actually think, do you? Freaking animals. Freaking bots.

Now go do another photoshop of Bushitler. That's really gonna help improve america.....

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» Why do you keep posting here? Posted by: kittynboi
» You tool Posted by: russianblue1
» Time for your TWO MINUTE HATE, my dears.... Posted by: not_the_preferred_nomenclature
rove meanders
Posted by: mcat on Nov 17, 2006 5:07 AM   
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this is a great piece. the answer to the gushing Rove coverage is pretty simple, lazy journalists. my guess is they just spit out the repub talking points. they were more interested in creating a story than covering one. in other words, to state the obvious that the repubs were losing and losing big wasn't sexy enough.

these days it's more important to create a Rove like character to propagate in the press than to dig for facts and actually do some research. research isn't sexy. boy wonder genius is. most of these commentators are hacks, not journalists.

what's great about this article is that it exposes what was predicted. the predictors count on the public's short term mememory.

thanks,

mike

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» Lazy, yes ... Posted by: sliver
When reporters act like politicians.
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 17, 2006 5:10 AM   
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For Rove to act nonplussed by the bad news is understandable. That's what we expect from politicians where all that matters is winning.

What I expect from reporters is different. I expect reality-based information, what we used to call "just the facts, ma'am."

This piece makes clear that many msm reporters would rather be working as politicans. Why can't their bosses see that, so that the msm, which now bears the same stamp of corruption as the politicans, might regain some credibility?

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» RE: Just like corporations. Posted by: Edward George
I could never see why Rove was so idolized;
Posted by: kittynboi on Nov 17, 2006 5:13 AM   
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Not just by the media, but by many self hating democrats and leftists, who thought the GOP was 100% unbeatable and literally thought that their reign was going to last the rest of our lives.

As the article points out, Rove was hardly the genius everyone makes him out to be, since 2000 and 2004 were both "wins" that, even IF they were legitimate, were wins by a very narrow margin. Winning by a single state is by no means a landslide or a mandate.

Rove is not, and has never been, the all powerful miracle worker that the press, the right, AND some of the left, has made him out to be.

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Military power, military supremacy, and political power.
Posted by: citizenjoe on Nov 17, 2006 5:48 AM   
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My view is pretty simple: the lynch-pin of Republican strategy was success-- and the perception of success-- of the great imperial adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. The reality is incompetence and failure. Moreover, while the failure in Afghanistan could be covered-up by propaganda, the failure in Iraq has become generally transparent. This has dragged down the Republicans. To get a better idea of how this worked, think what Hitler's future would have been if the German army had become mired in Poland and stayed on the brink of defeat for years on end.There would have been no march of German supremacy; that depended on German military supremacy -- effective domination of the adversary by force. American military might is enormous but that does not translate into military or political supremacy because the nature of the adversary and of war have changed-- no more winning by overwhelming firepower; now the peoples that the West want to dominate understand that they can effectively resist by guerrilla struggles. Superior fire power does not translate into military supremacy any more.The Americans have learned nothing from Vietnam. -- Citizen Von Clausewitz

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Lionel
Posted by: lm on Nov 17, 2006 6:01 AM   
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Hey-
I think that the confluence of events is what pulled the Dem's into power. Nothing else! Dem's win by default. And I am a Dem or at least I tend to vote that way. Not that I want to. The good guys-the Feingolds, Wellstones, Conyers, B. Sanders etc...could probobly not get a fair shake (and they are my choice..(Then we would not need a Green or third party))
in the national spotlight....anyways confluence of events...-if one of these things did not happen we would not be talking about Bush's evil brain. If Abramhoff did not squeel like a pig...we would not be talking about it..... if Bob Ney and D.Cunningham didn't admit to wrong doings or get caught Rove would still appear as the evil genius...if Ken Blackwell , and S. Harris did not run Ohio and Florida might still be in their hands....not to mention a certain Gay Florida Repub that probobly damaged GOP's chances more than Abramhoff's fandango...In other -words many things Karl could control he did, many of these things were beyond his direct control - I have a feeling if it were a referendom on Iraq only, Dem's would still be relegated into oblivion. I thank the fact that the universe inherently dislikes evil, and ultimately see's to it that good always prevails always, but on it's timetable not ours (but not without an opportunity cost). We are fortunate to see it happen in out lifetime, considering the dems lack a cohesive voice and plan and essentially won by default. I am afraid it is not the last we have heard of Carl....his evil machinations Know no bounds and or timetables. Nancy better do a great job or welll be right back to where we were in 2 election cycles or less!

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» Timing is everything. Posted by: Sojourner
THE PRESS CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF KARL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 17, 2006 7:52 AM   
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THIS JUST IN. The rest of us have had enough. Let's bid him farewell. Too much of a bad thing. Thanks, ANNA

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Bottoming for the GOP
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 17, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Read the Bio for Mark Halperin and you will see what it wrong with Washington. The son of a well connected father, he goes to Harvard (naturally) and starts in the ABC Washington Bureau as a Desk Assistant. 9 years later this guy is running ABC News' Political Coverage.

No time outside of the beltway or the Ivy Covered Walls of Haaaavaaad. Why should he waste his time learning of Flyover Country or the Left Coast? Everyone who counts and who he needs to know lives around D.C. and inside the 495 Beltway in Massachusetts.

You kid need not apply for a job like this. It's not about qualifications--it's about connections and who you know.

Kinda like Jeff Zucker, another kid who waltzes out of Harvard and into a job at NBC. 3 years later the guy is running the Today Show. Another job you need not apply for.

When you make a 6 or 7 figure income and go from the Ivy League straight into Network TV, do you think you have any connection , empathy or understanding of what most American's lives are like? Over half of all Americans get by on less than 30k/year- a very far cry from Wisteria Lane.

Media is full of this kind of nepotism, and good old boy connections. When you are part of the elite, the child of the elite and the product of the elite you will go to bat for the elite. You don't need talent or an education. You need an Uncle Irving with connections.

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» RE: Bottoming for the GOP Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: Bottoming for the GOP Posted by: jgdewey
» Exactly right Posted by: citizenjoe
A Solution to the Frame Worked Labotomy
Posted by: even(nik) on Nov 17, 2006 8:53 AM   
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You want to solve the Iraq/middle east prob. i refer to my previous opinion: ..."Put Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, Greg Palast, Alex Jones, Amy Goodman, Bill Moyers and perhaps John Edwards on a committee to sort it out and you will have a GUARANTEE that Iraq and the Middle East will be put on track for a solution that benefits the people who live there"

You want to go deeper: from a previous post "Bill Johnson, you are both correct and incorrect. Socialism( And it is people's nature to be materialistic you have to take on board) is the solution but socialism done properly is democracy done properly, and both have been lacking a key nutrient which is why both have been withering and dying, why the weeds(corporate control) have been thriving.
In short, for democracy to fulfill it's potential(the track record isn't great for a reason) it requires a form of "social credit", as espoused by Major C.H Douglas(look him up if interested) and Jesus Christ himself, who threw the money lenders out of the temple back in the day. Eliminate debt and you eliminate unearnt profit, as opposed to earnt wealth(which is something that creates for society) and you eliminate the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands, thus destroying the system that rewards corruption. If the essence of something isn't simple i believe, then it's probably flawed, and the core solution is as simple as laid out above.
We are part of nature, and from atoms and electrons to human egos, there is an inherent drive to eliminate potential differences, and as Bill Moyers noted in an recent article, that back in the day.."Aristotle thought injustice resulted from pleonexia, literally, “having more.” A class of people having more than their share of the common wealth was the characteristic feature of an unjust society. Plato thought that the common good required a ratio of only 5 to 1 between the richest and poorest members of a society."

Nature has rules, and will look after us in a benevalent way if we only obey them.

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The problem with the press
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 17, 2006 9:01 AM   
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Is that they like nice simplistic stories that their idiot blond air heads can repeat on the air and their idiot readers or viewers can grasp with little mental effort. Rove gives this to them.

No matter what the headline issues are, elections generally revolve around one underlying issue. That issue is ALWAYS economics.

The stats showing a growing, prosperous economy are modern equivalents of the bunk that Soviet Commisars used to put out about their 5 year plans. It's one thing to put out phony data, but the problem starts when the politicians start to believe their own lies.

Rove thought the economy was good. It wasn't. This was his political fatal flaw. Inflation is probably double what the BLS says. Unemployment maybe triple. The Federal Reserve is running out of ways to "print" money and to expand credit. Any significant contraction will produce a crisis in the financial system and send Bush and his associates to the elephant's burial ground for hasbeen politicians.

This off year election has an historical parallel to the election of 1930 where practically all of the media missed the coming depression.

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Freedom of the Press? Ha! Ha!
Posted by: mite on Nov 17, 2006 9:11 AM   
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I believe that the public journal is a public trust; that all connected with it are, to the full measure of their responsiblity, trustees for the public, that acceptance of a lesser service than the public services is betrayal of this trust.
I believe that suppression of the news, for any consideration other than the welfare of society, is indefensible.
(The Journalist Creed- Walter Williams)
How many media personnel have a degree, certification, of any sort for journalism? How many CEO's of these International Corporations have any understanding of the creed of journalism? Oh! I am sorry I forgot it is all about ratings, advertisers, and proporganda not the public trust.
Try reading Operation Mockingbird (CIA) for starters.
It is funny since Congress allowed these corporations (6 Total)to buy up all media sources our populations have become dumber, and dumber. Dah! Have to go now Days of Our Lives is on.

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Complain directly TO the media
Posted by: harpy on Nov 17, 2006 10:53 AM   
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We've pretty well figured out that the MSM just repeats talking points which are faxed out to them from Karl Roverer. When Faux News' memo was outed, it was only a wake up call for people who weren't already listening to Air America, Mike Malloy on NovaM radio stream, or reading Alternet, Daily Kos, http://www.tvnewslies.org, or some similar sites. There was so much hoopla about Faux's talking points memo, but notice that Tucker Carlson, and CNN's newsmodels were repeating the same "Dem's don't have an Iraq plan" mantra. The point is, it's one thing to spout off here, but the MOST important thing to do is to write, e-mail or call these "news" organizations and demand that they stop spouting propoganda, stop treating Dems like idiots (we are half or more of this country), and for them to remember that we all have remotes in hand. Don't just do it once and then go away - sound off EVERY time they do it, directly to the show and also to the network.

Also, on Bush's government in shambles (like Jimmy Carter's). It's good to remember that Carter's shambles was a direct result of behind the scenes engineering on the fake oil shortage and interference by HW Bush on behalf of Reagan where the hostages were concerned. There were allegations that a deal was made by Reagan and Bush to hold off on releasing the hostages until after the election, and then money and arms would flow to Iran.

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Casual observer
Posted by: lwithers on Nov 17, 2006 11:17 AM   
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I am amused at all the efforts that explain how Karl Rove has been so successful in the past. These efforts by the media and others seem to point out some intellectual political genius.

A close and unbiased analysis of Roves past indicates that, primarily, all his success has been due to his underhanded and crooked methods of operation. The man is devoid of scruples. Any close study reveals this.

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» RE: Casual observer Posted by: jackyD
» RE: Casual observer Posted by: mcartri
rove & the media
Posted by: willymack on Nov 17, 2006 11:30 AM   
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Why were turdblossom and the evil one giggling when they were confronted with the prospect of a defeat in the mid-term election? Because, they've poisoned Congress so thoroughly that it doesn't matter who's in there; they're bushie stooges in all but name. Just look at the Murtha betrayal for instance. Look for more nasty surprizes. It ain't over 'till it's over.

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Nothing new here:
Posted by: PT Alden on Nov 17, 2006 11:40 AM   
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The media has been bought for years, as evidenced by the near-Christ-like worship of Ronald Reagan and the posthumous drivel about how great Milton Friedman was.

What Reagan started 26 years ago has been consistently sold to the American people by a corporate media that shares the right-wing philosophy.

The truth is irrelevant. All one has to do is look at the thousands of lay-offs and sinking of the American middle class while the media keeps talking about how great the economy is doing.

Nowadays only an idiot believes the New York Times or Time Magazine. The intelligent and aware know what liars they are.

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Forsoothe, Rove did manage to get Joe re-elected...
Posted by: Bozwell on Nov 17, 2006 12:01 PM   
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LOL, ROve did misgauge quite a bit ...but he did indeed score by getting pro-war/Bush Lieberman re-elected and they are proud of that achievement..Course they threw over their own cnadidate, but it was worth it as Joe will indeed be a thorn in the Dems side for at least the next two years...The Dems will have an opportunity IF they do get their act together, to increase their share in the Senate so as NOT to have Joe dangling whatevers over them in his bittersweet re-selection that came ONLY due to GOP efforts and LACK of fearful Dems who failed to support the VOTERS choice shown in the primary results. (that was a mistake...played out again a bit in the Senate leadership small bruhaing this week...as Murtha gave the Dem party cover and voice and they failed to reurn the loyalty owed there !!!)
As for Rove, well, in truth his campaigns always have been closer if one checks vote countings...and this one, as Ohio was being far more scrutenyzed , uh, makes the 2004 results all the more truthfully suspect and lets face it, 2000 still lingers with mighty suspicions of actual legitimacy (be honest, it really does continue to "smell funny", perhaps not provable, either one, but too suspicious to be be truly comfortable with those outcomes and yet NONE dared to take them on forthrightly nor for the VOTERS...so both parties are subject to wariness and contempt for NOT allowing us to be an HONEST democratic nation who choose by the peoples votes but rather by the empowered money brokers who can afford the best manipulatives to get THEIR desired outcomes)As for ROve, he had some "abilities", but was highly over rated, many had their fingers in the Gop pot to get the results ...in the end, the results proved to be neither competent nor desirable and look at the mess we have on our hands now...yeee-ukers !!!!!

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Did Conservatives Vote?
Posted by: edith on Nov 17, 2006 1:10 PM   
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I don't disagree w/the article. But I will state that Rove is a competent political operative: not a genius, but as "professional" as the Deavers and Carvilles who preceded him. Their secret: get their voters to the polls, and try to discourage the 'enemy' from getting his guys out to vote.

Rove did do this well in three straight national elections,and a .750 average does get you into someone's Hall of Fame. (yes, I hear mumbles of "Hall of Shame". Whatever.)

However, when Bush's numbers started to tumble after Katrina, and accelerated in Jan 2006 after the new Maliki govt failed to stem violence that clearly was sectarian(civil war) and not just Al Queda('terrorism"), Bush's numbers went down. But simultaneously his numbers sank when only conservative voters were polled as well. Indeed, Katrina raised the competence issue to a higher level for indeed from day 1. Many of all stripes questioned the Dumb Duke of Crawford's competence. However the conservative press then became dominated by critical stories and editorials about Bush and yes Rove. Why? Uncontrolled spending culminating in the Bridge to Nowhere, no Iraq strategy to please either supporters or opponents of the war, a muddled please everyone and no one immigation policy, and a resurgence of protectioinist fervor by Buchanan traditionalists who were fed up with Bush for his internationalist bent and his utter insensitivity to the destruction of American communities by both illegal immigration and pro-Wall St trade policies. In addition Israel's little adventure in Lebanon may have pleased neo-cons, but paleo cons were aghast at Bush's blatant pro-zionist policy that threatened to drag us into a war with both Syria and Iran at a time where Iraq was all but hopeless.

By 2004 Bush had lost all liberals and many moderates in both parties as well as independents. Thus when his figures plunged in 05 and 06, there was only one group left where he had any substatnial support-conservatives, many of whom voted for him in 04 because there was not a third party alternative like Buchanan or Perot.

Rove indeed did disrespect real conservatives. The Bushes never have forgiven Buchanan for making the old man look weak in 92 and for possibly making Greenwich George 41 lose to Bubba that year.

If the Republicans don't get real on immigration(security first and negotiate guest worker later) and spenidng( tax cuts are fine but deficits aren't), they will never regain power. The "base" exclusive of the probusiness types has had it with W and with Rove. The evangelicals have been used like a homely girl without a date at homecoming. The protectionists never liked Bush and the fool now is pressing for an Asian free trade area(right, China and Phillipines really haven't been able to compete!).

when the next recession comes, and the US dollar drops, liberals may cheer because they think Bush will be discredited, but who cares? He's History. The Dems hold congress and will share the blame(unfairly I admit). However a recession will trigger protectionisma and anti illegal immigrant sentiment as well as unemployment among blue collar "Reagan" Democrats who in some cases are also evangelicals.

Rove has no one left to drag to the polls.

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It's ALL about Marketing and Selling
Posted by: sofla100 on Nov 17, 2006 5:40 PM   
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Look, a good part of Rove's success has nothing to do with the facts and logic. GW Bush loses everytime based on facts all the way back to 2000. No, it is all about packaging and marketing. Rove is the consumate wrapper-upper and marketer. Till this last election, he knew how to always swing it the Repub way. Look at Kerry and the Swift Boat routine. All lies, but sold to and published in the media like it was all facts! Look at the run-up to the Iraq war, no genius required to realize everything was being twisted to justify an invasion, but by the time Rove got done with it, it was all about defending America and the invented WMD's. Rove has also known how to effectively handle the Evangelicals. With them waning in influence its potentially a problem for Repubs but Rove knows how to use the "fear factor," ie, that Dems will be worse, to effectively influence. Rove also is completly tied in with the USA propaganda media outlets, particularly FOX news. How smart is Rove? He probably knows it's all B.S., but he doesn't care, unfortunately and quite dangerously, he is a man with no morals or ethics.

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Mayberry Machiavelli?he makes Machiavelli look like a Saint
Posted by: jgdewey on Nov 18, 2006 9:21 AM   
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WINNING IS ALL THAT MATTERS. BY ANY MEANS. THAT'S KARL ROVE. HE IS A GENIUS BUT AN EVIL ONE. I SAY SEND HIM TO IRAQ. PUT HIM IN A HUMMER, AND LET HIM LEAD THE CONVOYS FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS. WHEN HE COMES HOME WITHOUT A FACE, OR WITHOUT LEGS, THEN HE MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST THE ELECTION. MEANWHILE, I HOPE BEYOND HOPE TO NEVER HAVE TO LOOK AT HIS AMAZINGLY PASTY, SOULESS FACE AGAIN.

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Rove's True Calling
Posted by: clocksmith on Nov 18, 2006 12:40 PM   
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Well, if Rove is fired, he can always get a job as a hitman for the Mafia. He has the mindset, heart and soul that would make him perfect for the job.

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I see Rove's Hand, Alright, But In Another Strategy To Win, Which Did Not Work
Posted by: gbreez on Nov 19, 2006 7:48 AM   
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It seems to me that Rove and the White House were preparing us all to accept a Republican win, inwhich we would all be quite sceptical, by having the media harp on their confidence in a Republican win. This win would be accomplished by "the fix," which we now know actually happened. See "Truthout's" article on the subject. There was a fix, it was just not possible to put it in place late enough in October to cover the changes wrought by Republican-owned exposes and scandals. The fix margin had to be narrow to appear realistic, but, turned out to be too narrow for the large turnout to cover. Read about it at "Truthout," or go to the original:
*Clear Evidence 2006 Congressional Elections Hacked*
By Rob Kall
OpEd News

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Rove and the next election
Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 19, 2006 9:33 AM   
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Independent organizations have shown that Republicans (Diebold in particular) manipulated the voting machines in the last three elections. In this one, however, they underestimated how large the anti-Bush vote would be, so they lost. They margin was much larger than the media has reported. I just hope that the new Congress investigates this and THROWS THE BASTARDS IN JAIL, starting with old baldy Rove.

By the way, why did the so called "liberal" press not report that on vacation Rove went to the Dominican Republic with a group of men (only) with a supply of viagra. This country is a known center for child prostitution. I heard this BEFORE the latest pedophile scandle. I honestly think the Republican Party is FULL of sickos, from the top down.

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Better in his afterlife
Posted by: Mamarianne on Dec 3, 2006 1:00 PM   
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The article states "Think Jimmy Carter circa 1979." Carter was (and is) a guy who was too darn decent to be presidential fodder. He was chosen as an outsider after the Nixon mess. When he didn't know the insider routes, he was thrown into the grinder. He's certainly served this nation and humanity well since leaving office. Some of the decisions that have become part of the Carter legacy do not look so bad in the light of 20/20 hindsight.

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