Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement

The Religious Right's Crusade for 'Decency'

By Celina R. De Leon, AlterNet. Posted October 11, 2006.


The Christian right has done its best to keep America obsessed with clean, friendly family values. But what constitutes 'decency' -- and where does the Foley scandal fit in?
101106story1
101106story2
Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

The growing strength of the Religious Right can seem, at times, like an overnight phenomenon. After all, when in recent history has a president's vocal and avid disdain for secular politics become such an everyday reality ... in the United States?

Culturally, the hysterical reaction Janet Jackson's 2004 Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction" received would make one think that such an incident never happened before. It has, even during the conservative 1950s. But the breast-baring accidents of Hollywood actors such as Faye Emerson and Jayne Mansfield did not result in any mass campaigns for "family values." They didn't even cause a stir.

First-amendment specialist Frederick S. Lane explains all of this -- which he dubs the "decency wars" -- in his latest book, The Decency Wars: The Campaign to Cleanse American Culture. This highly comprehensive history book chronicles the advancement of the Religious Right and evangelicals' moralistic influence on American public policy.

I talked with Lane shortly after the unveiling of the Foley-pages sex scandal.

Celina De Leon: Would it be correct to say that the Religious Right has always been a part of the U.S., but in varying degrees and guises?

Frederick S. Lane: There has always been a portion of society that has been worried about American decency and American morality. I think that that has been fluid over the years. And obviously, in the last 30 years, it's gotten a good deal stronger.

Would you say that "decency wars" are a reality for many countries around the world? For example, the uprising of Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East.

Absolutely. These are the kinds of issues that get debated in almost every country to one degree or another. I think that what you end up seeing is just a lot of different national flavors if you will. The French are much more worried about violence and much less concerned about nudity and sexuality than we are. In the Middle East you've got some really strict definitions of sexual conduct and gender roles. I think that's actually what makes all of this so fascinating; we're all the same species but we have such different approaches to this.

You cite the Janet Jackson-Justin Timberlake Superbowl fiasco, which occurred in the middle of the 2004 primaries, as being one of the major reasons why "moral values" became the driving force of the presidential election amidst the election's very close race. Can you talk more about how amidst statistics the majority of the American public bought the idea that President Bush was elected for a second term because of his "decent" evangelical Christian values?

I think partly because the year got off to such a huge decency start with the Superbowl halftime show. The idea of the decency wars, or the idea of moral values, took on a much larger-than-life perspective than it otherwise would have. And obviously, I think that the Republicans played that up. I think that Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake became a symbol for a culture that was out of control. And then when you combine it with the fact that the state of Vermont had just passed the right to civil unions a couple of years before, and the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court had just said that gay couples could actually marry in the state of Massachusetts, it really helped to create an environment where moral values had this big perspective.

I think the Republicans were very successful in taking advantage of that. But when you look at the actual exit polling data, moral values were really only a predominant concern for maybe 20 or 22 percent of the electorate. Far more people were actually concerned about the economy, what was happening in the Middle East, the energy crisis --all the usual things that we worry about.

As I've argued it in many different places, the decency wars have just become the shorthand that the Republicans use. I think they really use it for its distractive capability. Which frankly, we've been doing with sex forever to distract from more important things. [Laughs] Whether it's relationshipwise. Whether it's policywise. It's just one of the ways in which we handle things in this country. Which is really unfortunate when you start to look at all of the serious things that we do have to deal with as a country.

Would you say the recent scandal involving former Republican U.S. Representative Mark Foley of Florida is a form of decency war?


Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: culture, america, politics, foley, sex, scandal, decency, wars, books, religious, right, evangelicalism

Celina R. De Leon is a contributing writer for WireTap magazine, and Interviews editor at Feministing.com. She lives in Brooklyn, NY.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from Media and Technology! Sign up now »

Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
worried
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 11, 2006 12:48 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am worried about decency and morality in America because the two most indecent and immoral Americans of today are now in power: Cheney/Bush.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: worried..Yeah and ..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
I'm A Christian and...
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 11, 2006 12:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What 2 consenting adults decide to do between themselves relative to sex and relationships is their business and nobody else's. How 2 people (adult) consensually loving each other hurts me is beyond my comprehension. If 2 homosexual people can find love it's far better than most of the hetero couples I see. As long as nobody is being coerced there is no problem. It sure isn't the Church's, or the Mosque's or the Synagogue's.

My faith tradition teaches me that we are free moral agents. It further teaches me that our freedom is God-given to all people. Finally, it teaches me that I will be accountable for me and you for you.

I wonder how some can read the same Bible and get the notion that they have the right to deny people what they are clearly told, in their own scripture, is God-given. The Holy-Rollers still haven't figured out that a forced faith is a false faith. If you have to force the issue you have already lost the argument.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: I'm A Christian and... Posted by: HereticChick
» RE: I'm A Christian and... Posted by: Jnutter
» RE: I'm A Christian and... Posted by: Lauren
God Bless Nambla is the new GOP slogan
Posted by: mat38 on Oct 11, 2006 4:41 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I mean, c'mon. No one could have made this up. Even Bill O'Reilly is a computer freak for little girls. He made it clear with his outrage for the newsgroups and websites called "my collection of little teens" just before he was exposed as a sexual pervert.
What's next, Dick Cheney will get arrested for abducting children from school playgrounds?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

You don't have to be a right-winger
Posted by: Camin Harner on Oct 11, 2006 4:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...to want to see more decency in our relationships with each other as family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, random strangers on the street. Part of that is minding one's own business if whatever doesn't concern you. Part of that is speaking up courteously and respectfully to those who will listen if something actually does concern you.

I don't want to abandon the idea of decency to the right, nor do I want to pretend that decency is just another word for PC-ness. There are and should be community standards and taboos governing how we present ourselves to the wider world and how we interact with each other. I guarantee you no one reading this would be comfortable with some naked guy strolling down the street screaming obscenities at little kids. There's got to be a middle ground between anything-goes and prudishness that progressives can support.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Fundies are the Dems boogeymen. Gays are the GOP's boogeyman. But the elite controlling both....
Posted by: mah_favorite_flavor_cherry_red on Oct 11, 2006 4:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
....are really just trying to get the political debate away from populist economics issues, like raising taxes on the rich to pay for universal healthcare.

See, this way, when CorpGovMedia puts the dems into power, after the people get sick of the GOP, the people STILL won't be able to get the rich taxed or get universal healthcare like they have in Europe. Cuz the political debate was never focused on it, longterm. There was no expectation created that it would be done.

And Alternet is going along with the elite's ideas, it appears....

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» CryoFan Posted by: CatDad
it is over for the right
Posted by: wawa on Oct 11, 2006 5:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Progressive Christians have RISEN UP/Intifada on CROSSLEFT
http://www.crossleft.org

We are the NEW Voice of Christianity who speak boldly about the IMMORALITY of war, violence, poverty and the misuse of religion by dishonest power seeking politicians to get elected.

"There are two Christianities in our midst. One worships a punitive father and seeks obedience at all costs. It is patriarchal, demonizes woman, the earth, science, gays, lesbians, and deep thought.

"It builds on fear and it supports empire-builders. Its theology includes a punitive father in the sky and teaches original sin. The other Christianity recognizes the original blessing that all beings derive from.

"We recognize awe, not sin, not guilt, as the starting point of true religion. We recognize a divinity who is source of all things and is as much mother as father, as much female as male. We honor creation and diversity.

"When God created everything, He pronounced it all good. We are here to make love to life. Yes, we are here to make love to life.

"Delight in creation and take your dreams into our politics and institutions. We live in the midst of a suicidal economy, motivated by love of money. We have reached a dead end.

"What we need to turn it around are hearts in love with life. How do we do it? We first must move from domination to partnership, and we begin by educating our young in awe and wonder, not how to take tests. Awe leads to reverence, which leads to gratitude, which will reinvent our species. This is the task of our generation: to regain awe.

"The three Rs need to be balanced by the ten Cs: contemplation, creativity, chaos, compassion, courage, critical consciousness, community, celebration, ceremony, and character.

"In community, people remain united, despite everything that divides them. In capitalist society, people are isolated, separated, despite everything that should hold them together. We are in the midst of an epic struggle between community and capitalistic society. We need a new narrative. It is the economy of materialism; it is the virus of affluenza that has weakened family life." -Father Matthew Fox, July 2005 @ TIKKUN's First Conference for Spiritual Progressives


Fox is the author of a New 95 that he 'nailed' to the same door in Wittenburg on Pentecost Sunday 2005-the very same door that Martin Luther nailed his 95 to, 500 years before:
"A New Reformation" www.WisdomUniversity.org


public service message from WeAreWideAwake

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Amorality
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Oct 11, 2006 5:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Look America.

Get off your high horse.

The Christian Right is neither. Yes, that's a trite phrase.

But it's true. It's always been true. To wit: the Catholic Church. How many decades have repressed gay men joined that vile institution just so they can wrestle with their demons. How many decades.

Then they spew out morals to the world. How quaint. How pathetic.

The fundamentalists in the US have a tendency toward violence (Jehovah is a serial genocidal killer) and addiction (fundies are BY DEFINITION addicted to mythology).

Put that all together and you get hypocrisy. They're projecting. They want YOU to do what they can't. Those who can't, teach. It's an old adage, but it applies perfectly in this situation.

Take a deep breath. Look around. Observe your surroundings. Do you see it? Those of us who are putting aside our thoughts, for a nanosecond - to OBSERVE our political landscape - are seeing it clearly.

Those who tell you what to do must be investigated for the exact thing they tell you to avoid.

Avoid sex? Investigate them. Discover how many diddle little girls and boys, cheat on their wives and have multiple skeletons in their closets.
Avoid 'indecency'? Look at their stack of porn. It's as high as the Eiffel Tower.
Lower your taxes? Watch the oil companies gain RRECORD profits.

ETC. ETC.

The Republican party is a LOSER party. Those who join up and suck in their breathtaking LOSER values are a symptom of a larger illness in this country. Clearly, we have tens of millions of mentally ill people in this country who vote.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Amorality Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: MORONIC ELECTORS!!! Posted by: Cathyc
Why so moderate in your tone, Mr. Lane?
Posted by: mrcentrist on Oct 11, 2006 6:57 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mr. Lane says: ".... a particular group got more influence than it should have gotten.... It's just that we need to stop listening to these people quite so much."

Um, yeeaahhh....... That's certainly one way to put it. Well, considering the Republicans have made the USA the most indebted, feared, and despised country in the world, I'm not sure I can agree with Lane's "No harm, no foul" approach to what the GOP has done to America. These fascist asses must be put on trial and then put in prison for their crimes against the world, because if we take a "let's let it slide" approach to the Republican fascists, in the future they will come back stronger, more corrupt, and more ruthless than ever.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Because he has a book to sell ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Whoopsies -- it's "Ms." Lane ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» Damn, I'm confused this morning Posted by: AdamSelene40
NO WAY TO RUN A RAILROAD
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 11, 2006 7:31 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our leaders do not run the country. THey try to run us instead. It's the easier job. Our life style is slipping away, the world hates us, war is becoming a permanent state, there is no secure employment, cost of living out of control, and no reason to be encouraged. And they are obsessed with people's very personal lives. Feedom from worry and poverty has been know to lift the morale. It alwo improves morality.
Thanks, ANNA

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: NO WAY TO RUN A RAILROAD Posted by: symcokid
What is "Morality/Decency"
Posted by: Dianka on Oct 11, 2006 7:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My goodness, folks, is this so hard to figure out? What is "moral", and what constitutes "decency? As anyone on the political right can readily tell you, "Open up your Bible!" (And because this is a predominantly Christian/Western Culture nation, refer to the New Testament.) Use the Bible to answer these questions.
Christ said, "Blessed are the Peacemakers." Conversely, "Damned are the warmongers". Christians must actively oppose war. A moral/decent nation will not wage war.
Christian teachings not only stress the futility of wealth and power, but Jesus said that we are to share generously with the poor. Instead of giving a slice of bread, give the loaf. Share according to your own means. In modern terms, a moral government pools the resources of the nation to ensure that no one is homeless or hungry. And it isn't hard to figure out what Jesus meant when he stressed that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. In a nation with abundant resources, "morality" and "decency" means that no one suffers in poverty.
Who serves Good, and who serves Evil? That's pretty easy to figure out, too. Jesus said that "You'll know them by their works", not their speeches. Those who crow about their own moral superiority "already have their reward."
The Bible describes Satan/evil: an obsessive preoccupation with material acquisition, a relentless thirst for power, etc. Satan is the "Father of lies", thrives on chaos and confusion, and works to divide "father against son, mother against daughter".
The list is far too long to cover in a post, but the meaning is simple. Does the political right (our government) work to secure peace, ensure that there is a humane and compassionate (i.e., moral) welfare system, ensure that no one is imprisoned injustly, etc.?
In the context of our culture (and I'm not aware of any religion that teaches anything contrary to this), we can determine how moral and decent our government is by its political and social policies.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: What is "Morality/Decency" Posted by: mrcentrist
» RE: What is "Morality/Decency" Posted by: willymack
» RE: What is "Morality/Decency" Posted by: Basenjis
Dogma right is neither Christian and has no decency.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Oct 11, 2006 7:58 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
These people traumatize their children with brainwashing and Jesus camps and speak of death, destruction and slaughter to them as if it is normal. I've been part of this fake religious cult. They cheered John Lennon's death. Their speech is that of hate of people and the earth they live on. The end of times fundamentalists are the worst people on this earth as they are pushing for destruction and chaos on all fronts and are the first to push for a new world war of civilizations, speaking of blood raising waist high in the middle east. IMO, watching and listening to the religious right is like watching unsuspecting people from the outside a snuff movie. I want to leave this country so I don't have to watch the ending. The money and power behind this group is enormous.

There is no culture. When the human form in marble is considered something to hide, these people obviously have a problem. Whatever is good in this world they want to destroy. What doesn't fit into their agenda is of "satan". Their god is one of hate, contempt and can't even follow it's own rules. The putrefying words that roll of the mouths of the religious right have a greater stench than anyone that has run a country since the Caligula or Nero of the Roman Empire.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Religious right behind Larry King pedophile ring.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Oct 11, 2006 8:06 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Foley is nothing compared to the pedophile ring run by the religious right during Regan, Bush I. Look up the Lawerence King and Franklin S&L scandel. John DeCamp of Omaha has never been allowed to follow up an prosecute this case because of the Government hiding behind National Security (so much for transparency). For the right wing that pretends to follow christianity is a total farse. This is a hate group that has the ability to bring down the entire country, not unlike that of what happened to Rome.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

From the Onion
Posted by: albiegf13 on Oct 11, 2006 8:18 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Republican Reaction To Foley Scandal
October 11, 2006 | Issue 42•41


With their party rocked by the Rep. Mark Foley sexual-harassment scandal, Republicans are using the following strategies to overcome the bad press:

Launching ad campaign entitled "Okay, We Goofed"

Releasing new, sexually explicit electronic messages that are more rooted in family values

Coming out against terrorism

Hiring new pages from pool of senior citizens desperate for work

Getting out and raising a little money together

Revealing how devastatingly handsome the teenage boy was

Only getting involved in scandals that don't directly fly in face of party line"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I've said for a long time . . .
Posted by: sassicatz on Oct 11, 2006 7:37 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that there's more to morality than sex, but we've let the right-wingers redefine morality to be only sexual. I completely agree that we need to expand the definition of morality to encompass all behavior. If someone's behavior hurts someone else, that's immoral. If it hurts only that person, that's just stupid.

Oh, and I'm born again, but I prefer to pay attention to Jesus rather than all the preachers who preach hate. Jesus preached love. " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It's about equal rights
Posted by: outlander55 on Oct 11, 2006 8:34 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Isn't it interesting how the corporatists can take an issue and use it to control opinion? Gay marriage is a non-issue. The real issue is EQUAL RIGHTS!!!! To deny any right to an American that other Americans enjoy is a clear violation of the Constitution. That congress would vote to deny equal rights to any American is unconstitutional. The administration and the majority are guilty of surpression of rights. They don't care about you, the citizen. The only thing they care about is their ability to remain the majority.
What have these assholes done for you, the citizen? NOTHING!!!! They cowtow to the money men that put them in office (we need serious campaign finance laws). They pass laws like the 'Bankruptsy Bill' and the 'Medicare Drug Bill' that only hurts you, the common citizen. They form secret 'Energy Commissions', made up of oil executives, to allow Big Oil to rape us financially.
They used the religious right to gain power. The only thing the religious right wants is to control your thoughts. Through the pulpit, they orate of the BIG EVIL of those who don't think like they do (does this sound familiar? Look in your history books under Germany, 1933-1945).
If we are not careful, we will wind up with an "Animal Farm" democracy. "All animals are equal! some are just more equal than others". Totalitarian governments always select a group or groups to persacute to gain favor with the narrow-minded majority. Now that heir Bush has his 'torture bill', he can do just that. He suspended one of the oldest law prescidents (sp) in history. Habis Corpus is now not a concern when dealing with "enemy combatants". And who "defines" enemy combatants? The President. If he feels threatened, he can toss us lefties into jail with no recourse. And, just who can you bitch to when you've been "disappeared"?
There is a huge problem here and only we, the people can change it. Vote on November 6 and change out the majority. We need checks and balances like we never needed them before. It may take years to undo the harm that the majority has put upon the country, but we have to start somewhere. Democrats in Congress and the Senate have to stop being meek and take back America from these "moral men" who would use you to make their fortunes. Dems are going to have to get really tough and hit back with strong truths to win and repair America.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: It's about equal rights Posted by: Burton
» RE: It's about equal rights Posted by: hangman
Without God?
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Oct 11, 2006 10:07 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If you take God out of the equation, then everything becomes subjective and falls apart. You're basically left with nothing. This is the sort of moral vacuum that has been taking hold of society as it becomes more secular.

If you believe in God, then you're pretty foolish to go living by your own system of values, effectively acting as if you believe you're wiser than God.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Without God? Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Without God? Posted by: harris
» RE: Without God? Posted by: kittynboi
» Please learn how to debate Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Please learn how to debate Posted by: kittynboi
We've seen this all before
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 11, 2006 10:40 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The 1920s were a time of power and influence of the Christian Right. We had the KKK going national, Prohibition, lynchings, the Leo Frank affair, the beginnings of the radio preachers, etc. Soon we would have the likes of Father Caughlin.

Ultimately, they were so corrupt that their influence declined, only to be revived in the 1990s. History will repeat itself.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: We've seen this all before Posted by: willymack
"President Bush . . . is clearly
Posted by: aida1200 on Oct 11, 2006 10:26 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
the most religious president we have had any time recently"? Is Jimmy Carter too long ago to be recent?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Decency dosn't count
Posted by: rafey on Oct 11, 2006 11:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since the "Christian" advocates are saying that they want to continue the same old, same old, then my guess would be that lying, cheating, stealing and killing 600,000 innocent people dosn't count among moral issues.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Wrong Paraphilia
Posted by: ark on Oct 11, 2006 11:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
C'mon now, the pages were 17 years old at their youngest. Foley's behaviour was reprehensible, but it was not pedophilia. Foley's depravity is known as ephebophilia.

Besides you should stay focused on where the real threat to the children is: The Baptist Youth Ministries (Cites One and Two)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Wrong Paraphilia Posted by: YogiBear
Decency, right!
Posted by: vangogh69 on Oct 11, 2006 12:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
These fools don't give a damn about real decency which would include (among many other things) providing free healthcare for EVERYONE, providing good & affordable housing for EVERYONE, providing good and quality free education for EVERYONE, and the like. No, instead they beat the ole' sex drums, working up the puritan froth as they know it to be a successful scapegoat for society's ills. It never ceases to amaze me how, to use one example, such a big deal was made about Janet showing her boob at the superbowl ("oh my god, you mean that's what they look like?! I've never seen one before! but what about the children??? pass me another BudLite and oh how nice that Boeing is sponsoring the superbowl...") yet if memory serves, we were well into an illegal war with confessed liars saying they were accountable to no one. Well, let's just say that today, Foley and his sexed-up IMs are the LEAST of the republican party's concern (if for nothing else, I would assume half a million dead in 3 years in Iraq for what has proven to be lies/misstatements/whatever would be enough of a concern for all of them, but then I'm sane)!

The only reason why the right focuses attention on salaciousness is because they know it takes the attention off of people's real concerns, i.e., their declining standard of living due to circumstances beyond their own (but not those in power!) control. A little T&A in the Bread & Circuses is what they give us and many, so much asleep, buy this junk. And if the religous right is so committed to decency, why haven't they been presuring Bush & Co. to rebuild New Orleans and/or help the displaced? One last thought about why the right is so worked up over sex...They don't want anyone to have an active, enjoyable sex life and the reason is because if people are happily receiving pleasure then they're less likely to support things that deny it (such as work, war, and bitching).

The Religious Right: please jack me off a little bit before you fuck me. Oh, and I also don't kiss on the mouth.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» TANSTAAFL Posted by: Burton
» RE: Decency, right! Posted by: CatDad
» My Point Exactly! Posted by: FSL3
The Golden Age of Decency
Posted by: bimasta on Oct 11, 2006 12:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The "Golden Age" of "decency" for christian fundamentalists appears to have been the 1950s -- when 'Negroes' weren't allowed to vote, were beaten to a bloody pulp if they tried, or lynched -- when homosexuals were ridiculed in public and/or beaten to a bloody pulp -- when women were consigned to domestic servitude and expected to be grateful -- etc. Ah, what a glorious time.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: The Golden Age of Decency Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: The Golden Age of Decency Posted by: celticsweetgrass
» RE: The Golden Age of Decency Posted by: Cathyblj
human
Posted by: hangman on Oct 11, 2006 1:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Very interesting article. this whole decency stuff pushed by a narrow view of the Religious Right. Needs to have the windows opened wide.
If they want to talk decency, then have the decency to respect each other as human beings with Equal Rights and Freedoms to love whom they love. We born as human beings to be free to share love for one another.

There is nothing to fear from Same-sex marriage, it brings families together and builds on that Value of love for family to live, care and share, through the expression of love and respect for each other as human beings. Our lives are busy enough.

There is too much divisions created by religious right wing homophobia, all for the sake of control.
To stop tearing apart familes with discrimination and hatred through preaching on the pulpit.
Then realizing that the fighting is not worth the pain and distress to the family as a whole.

Decency can also mean to let go of past practices of religion dictating who can love who in this modern world we live in .
With all the massive migration and interconnectedness of the globe. maybe its evolving , moving forward regardless of the demanding controls of right wing beleifs. People are freeing themselves with access to the Internet as well. We no longer rely on restricted information put upon us by those in power.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Be careful that your dogma doesn't get run over by my karma
Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Oct 11, 2006 4:19 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Screw people who think they've got a right to tell other people how to live their lives. If they're so busy minding other peoples' conduct, they probably aren't paying enough attention to their own.

Churches, as private institutions can decide who they will and will not allow to be married. Governments should have no say in the matter. Legal marriage is different than religious marriage.

Morality is a human invention just as good and evil are. Do you think Osama thinks of himself as "evil?"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Without God?
Posted by: dkm on Oct 11, 2006 4:19 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The religious right seems to think that morality is a set of rules found in the holy writ and have force because God decreed them. There are two main problems with this particular thought pattern. The first, as has been alluded to above, is that they confuse God with their own particular religious dogma when there is absolutely no reason to believe that God endorses their prejudices above everyone else's. The second is that there are too many decent people who are not followers of their particular dogma either at a narrow or expanded level. In other words, not only are there decent Methodists, Catholics, Mennonites, Baptists, etc., but there are also decent Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc. Furthermore, there seem to be lots of Jimmy Swaggerts and Elmer Gantrys running around loose.

What they don't realize is that morality is not connected with the strict parent model of behavior with an all inclusive list of rules. Morality develops over time as a person grows and can be delayed or stopped at practically any level. Most people don't even reach the top where you do something not for a reward or to avoid punishment, but because it is the right thing to do. There are things a decent human being just doesn't do. Destroy the Constitution is one. Destroy the social safety net under the poorest of the poor is another. Take from the poor to give to the rich is a third. Start a war to gain control of a strategic oil producing area is a fourth. I could go on, but you get the idea.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Without God? Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Without God? Posted by: ark
the post is sick
Posted by: chomsky on Oct 11, 2006 5:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
quit corrupting the youth with all your lies about indescency. it harms everyone who watches it. and stuff like that, eh?

my blog

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Christian Right Equals "American Taliban"
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 11, 2006 7:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Much of the Christian Right, with pontificating, evangelizing, moralizing, etc., is not much different then what the Taliban were in Afghanistan. When you come down to it, the Christian Right would have the state legislate all morality, forbid out of wedlock "fornication," punish homosexuals and lesbians with stoning and imprison teachers who teach evolution in the schools. Every American would be required to attend a "Megachurch" on Sunday. The Christian Right would also encourage the USA to engage in more "crusades" to "democratize" Muslim lands (and let the evangelicals come in to "convert" the heathen). Well, we are not quite there yet in America with our own Christian Right Taliban. But we are getting there.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It's hard to tell-
Posted by: Cathyblj on Oct 11, 2006 9:26 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Have the neocons duped the moronic Religious Right into supporting them and Bush (while Karl Rove et. al. refer to the religious people as nuts), or have the religious zealots hijacked the Republican Party?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The word morality is so misused
Posted by: AdamantSun on Oct 11, 2006 9:40 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm a gay man who is a work from home dad. It's heartbreaking beyond words to take my daughter to the school library and have to ask the librarian to get books about our families from the back shelf where they aren't accessible to everybody. And that's only if the books haven't been banned first.

In this house, our morality consists of family values. It consists of love, discipline, teaching, parenting, the same as every other family in America, yet there are parents who get upset if their children learn about our family. It's like any mention of our families in schools almost needs to have some sort of parental notice sent home first so that people who object on religious grounds can be notified. They don't want mention of our families, but we exist. Nobody can know the pain of trying to raise a child in that environment.

The American Academy of Pediatrics did a study on marriage, marriage bans, civil unions, constitutional amendments, etc. and their effects on our children.
source

Our children, as young as 4 years old, experience stress, lowered self-esteem, harassment, and all sorts of other traumas caused by the religious nuts who assault and condemn our families everywhere, from the library, to the tv to the voting box.

Morality indeed. Their morality is nothing but pure evil, harming millions.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Definition of Morality...
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 11, 2006 11:18 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Morality- A set of values that I believe YOU should follow in order to be a worthy human being.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The American Burden...
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 12, 2006 6:57 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...is to live in an ethos where sex, drugs, and race are bad and where guns, cars, going to church and being in debt are good. Yes, there are other places in the world with the same issues--but not elsewhere in the First World. It's our native craziness, and I have little expectation it will ever change.

How does one explain craziness? One can't. The rest of the world knows this about Americans. Just don't kid yourself that you can ignore it. The hippie counter-culture tried and so scared the establishment that we got Nixon, Reagan, and now little Bush, along with a prolonged Vietnam War, Iran-Contra, and Iraq.

It's all just to keep us decent.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]