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Hating the Hate Mail
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Subjects such as women's issues, racism, anti-war politics, environmental matters and virtually any topic deemed "liberal" inspired some vitriolic comments from readers that I will mention here. I was called everything from "bitch" to "whore" and was often addressed as "sweetie" or "honey" before a launch of expletives. Most attackers took the position that I was just a cute, dumb, college student (even though I was in my late 20s) in an effort to discredit me and I was most reliably attacked by a collection of right-wing Web sites and right-wing men who sent me letters.
Needless to say, I ran out of the gates, trail-blazing, and came back a wounded animal. The experience solidified my "attack and retreat" explanation of the low numbers of women in opinion journalism.
The presence of female opinion journalists has remained virtually unchanged over the past 25 years, with only 10 percent to 20 percent of all op-eds in the country being written by women. Only about a quarter of nationally syndicated columnists are women and they tend to be white and right-wing.
While numerous professions--science, medicine and even journalism--have seen a sharp rise in female participants, opinion journalism doesn't seem to budge. In my case, I was attacked, and then retreated into self-censorship for a period of months and in that darkened room I found no mentors and little support from editors.
Fear of Appearing Vulnerable
The psychic impact of hate mail is something female writers don't often talk about in fear of appearing vulnerable in the male world of opinion writing. I believe women can take the heat of opinion journalism as well as any man; the problem is that the heat we take and the reasons why are very different.
Maureen Dowd of The New York Times discussed reactions to female opinion in her column last year. "While a man writing a column taking on the powerful may be seen as authoritative, a woman doing the same thing may be seen as castrating." She went on to say she called Alan Dundes, a renowned folklorist, to ask about it. "Women are supposed to take it, not dish it out," Dundes told her.
Rekha Basu is the civil liberties voice at the Des Moines Register in Iowa, and she is a woman, liberal and Indian. She's been called a Hindu-worshipping slut, an Arab terrorist, a whore, a lesbian, a cunt, a skanky Muslim. Most insults are via e-mail and on Web sites, where attackers can remain relatively anonymous.
She's been stalked and followed on the highway and told readers can't wait to read her obituary in the newspaper. But nothing hurt like the time a reader said they hoped her husband, who has Lou Gehrig's disease, would hurry up and die so she would leave the country.
Rekha used to be scared, and is still hurt by some of the more malicious letters. But after a while she realized "I have the opportunity to change lives. If I censor myself, what's the point?"
Do Men Get the Same?
Do men get the same? I asked David Yepsen, who is white, male, centrist and also a columnist at the Register. He says he is called an asshole from time to time and received a death threat once, but Yepsen felt readers had paid their quarter and were entitled to an opinion. "I've heard Rekha was called a Hindu-worshipping slut and things like that. I've never gotten anything on par with that," he said.
Katherine Kersten is a conservative voice at the Minneapolis Star Tribune, and gets a lot of grief from the liberal population. But it doesn't seem the same over-the-top, bone-chilling stuff that Rekha receives. Kersten said some readers harassed her for going against women's interests and she was accused of being dishonest and greedy.
However, Kersten felt men and women received equal treatment from readers, noting that Nick Coleman (a liberal voice at the Star Tribune), gets as many attacks, if not more than she does.
Coleman thinks there is a gender gap in the hate mail. "My wife is also a columnist at the St. Paul Pioneer, and there is a huge difference between the types of abuse I get, and what she gets. It's much worse for her," he said.
Michele Weldon, a contributor to Women's eNews who has also provided columns to the Chicago Tribune, recalled the time a hostile reader of a column read her memoir on the domestic abuse she experienced and wrote to tell her she deserved everything she got.
Sasha Kemmet is a young, budding liberal writer for The Des Moines Register's Young Adult Board. She has been stalked by critics who have accused her of everything from racism to elitism. She describes her detractors as deeply misogynist. "I was surprised by the viciousness of the attacks and it was extremely disappointing. My goal in writing was to initiate dialogue, not bring about petty personal attacks." Kemmet thinks "society wants women to have opinions as long as they don't speak them too loudly . . . as long as this persists, women will believe it themselves."
Year-Old Debate
A year ago, the debate about female pundits was blazing. In February of 2005, Susan Estrich ignited it by launching an e-mail campaign that blasted the Los Angeles Times for hiring few women to write columns.
A discussion of the situation then bounced around from Estrich to Maureen Dowd to Katha Pollitt of The Nation and included scores of columnists across the country.
I was emboldened by what Pollitt had to say on the topic last December. "Women buy the crap about women being too shy-weak-polite to express themselves," she wrote. She added that this is "not the fault of women themselves . . . women are discriminated against, not groomed or mentored."
In Dowd's column on the topic, she said that after six months writing op-eds, she retreated into submission and nearly walked away from the job, just "wanting to be liked."
Young women, like Kemmet and me, tend to go into this profession with a lot of hope and passion. But we sometimes retreat without an adequate support network. When new female writers are bolstered by the moral support needed to survive the onslaught of anti-female sentiment flooding their inboxes, more women's by-lines will show up on the opinion pages.
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 25, 2006 12:58 AM
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All this for expressing the opinion that women should be treated somewhat better than dogs and that education and a lack of beatings for many women in many countries would be a nice thing.
And it doesn't matter who often many of us argue and argue and ARGUE that we don't hate men, we don't want to destroy society, we don't advocate neutering our nearest and dearest, but we DO want education, equal opportunities and a lack of beatings and murders.
But there are men out there who fully and absolutely believe that if there is ONE woman in the world who screwed money out of her ex-husband, or ONE woman in the world who had her husband murdered, or ONE woman in the world who took her children away...then we must ALL be like that and we ALL need to be punished. Forever.
I really despair for the owrld sometimes and wonder if it's worth the fight. there are SO many men out there like that that I sometimes think it's just easier to give up. (It's a wonder the women of Pakistan don't all commit mass suicide - that would show their stupid men.)[note: not all Pakistani men are stupid, just a frighteningly large percentage of them, as far as I can work out. Lack of education and too many ridiculous tribal customs]
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Posted by: talkville on May 25, 2006 1:24 AM
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I've never read any ideas, concepts or opinions that have gender. Whatever they are, they stand or fall in our common encounter with such ideas, concepts or opinions.
Kudos! and continue! Slow as it may be, progress is the only direction; With reaction, the most we get is the unacceptable status quo at best; the worst? well, that's a matter of opinion among other things; however that may be, these are times we need ALL voices to contribute.
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Posted by: polyquat50 on May 25, 2006 3:50 AM
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Posted by: philame on May 25, 2006 4:29 AM
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Posted by: Caro on May 25, 2006 4:44 AM
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I was given a lot of grief at the time, even from people who consider themselves progressives, for just bringing up the topic.
Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake made the most interesting observation not long ago that although the most recent surveys show men predominate by far as blog readers, Jane's readers are at least half female. As are mine, I believe, though I have no survey to prove it. Jane pointed out that other surveys show women are less interested in politics than men, and she wondered if it's not because women have so few other women to read or to listen to for political commentary.
I wonder the same thing.
The sad thing is that no one with any money to fund political efforts, at least not any that I've been able to get in touch with, wants to fund any effort that takes time to have an impact. I haven't been able to find anyone willing to fund a sustained drive to find and nurture progressive commentary talent at all, much less a specific program aimed at getting women more involved in the political process by finding and nurturing female commentators.
If you didn't know better, you might think the efforts those folks are now funding were working.
Carolyn Kay
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 25, 2006 5:02 AM
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I note that Alternet and other similar pseudoLeft websites are funded by nonprofit foundations set up and funded by large corporations, business lobbies and the upper class. They are helping to divide and rule by keeping the focus of the political debate on social issues like race and gender, and away from populist economics.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 25, 2006 6:12 AM
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In any case, how many of these responses came from actual individuals, and how many from PR firms who were trying to dissuade the author from writing? There is a huge public relations/ propaganda presence on most web sites, discussions, etc. Influencing public opinion is the name of their game, and isn't the net an important medium? PR firm whistleblowers have repeatedly shown that PR firms write letters under fake names, and engage in every other kind of subterfuge you can think of.
Too bad there isn't more investigative journalism out there. American journalism has degraded to mostly 'opinion journalism' - which has to be an oxymoron. What's the factual basis of your opinion? That's the important question.
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Posted by: Thatslife on May 25, 2006 6:22 AM
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Here's some observations I've made in recent years...
In excess of 80% of relationship breakups are initiated by women.
Women recover from breakups and find new partners much quicker than males. One of the parting comments made by my ex wife, 'I know I can get any man I want'... the majority of attractive women would respond to that comment with a knowing smile!
Males are much more emotionally fragile.
In MY experience...women appear to be far more promiscuous than males, alchoholism...rife among modern women, being a contributing factor. I can already hear the howls of protest...prove me wrong!
And how many men have lost partners to their best friends or work colleagues? A billion hands go up....
Women are rarely interested in single men...married males are much more exciting to prise away from their partners. And yes....men are dumb fools for taking the bait ...a little attention and sex works wonders!
It's not all your fault ladies...society really is to blame. Consider the impact on women of those trashy tv/magazines and aggressive marketing/imagery. Young women HAVE to display sexuality by the way they dress and present themselves. I have always been bewildered by the sight of a beautiful woman dressed 'to kill'. If 'caught looking' we are labelled as perverts...'what are you looking at?'....what the hell do you expect!!!! We can't win!
And let's not forget the power of the 'sexual harrasment' complaint...many consider this the ultimate weapon in a womans arsenal.
Of course there are the wife beaters out there...one could not but sympathise with women exposed to violence...yet I've personally known women attracted to the very 'he' men displaying these traits...
Despite this...it really is a womans world...you get the choice, you just choose wrong!
Sorry ladies, perfection doesn't exist.
Slut, mole, whore, harlot, gold digger etc...one wonders why there are not as many similar names for men. In fact, about the best I can think of is 'bastard'....
Yes ladies, you have much to complain about, and you do lots of complaining....but you have a long way to go to earn my respect.
A parting shot perhaps...women place so much emphasis on marriage, but lets face it....'forever do us part' isn't worth the paper it's written on. No matter how hard we try...sooner or later we'll come home from work and find you in bed with our best mate!
I can't wait for the insults!
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Posted by: Burton on May 25, 2006 6:31 AM
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I've been the editor of an "alternative" newspaper and if that is all you have been called, you are ahead of the game. Let's not forget that journalists are jailed, tortured and "disappeared" in much of the world.
So buck up and deal with the name calling. If you are not being called names, you are not doing your job.
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Posted by: McJulie on May 25, 2006 7:12 AM
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I think the lesson here is clear. 1. The right wing is full of hate. 2. They hate women particularly.
Or, possibly, 2. They are cowards, and because their right wing views hold that women are powerless, they feel more free to express their hatred against women.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 25, 2006 7:13 AM
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Seriously, this is trend so tiresome -- and, more importantly, psychologically damaging to girls and young women forming their identities. An entire generation of young women now are unable to hold a conversation without first identifying themselves as victims battling a cruel world conspiring against them. If you don't believe it, just tune into almost any TV channel at any time of day or night.
The pioneering women journalists of the 19th and 20th centuries would be disgusted by this constant whining.
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Posted by: mjaybee on May 25, 2006 7:28 AM
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I recently watched a documentary where men who sought custody of their children were branded as abusers and batterers, for instance. Any movement to address inequities of family law or child custody , etc. are met with very ugly responses from "feminists" who want men to share in the household on paper, but adamantly change their story once a divorce occurs.
Tell the whole story, Heidi, and quit doing what we see every day in the MSM - spinning issues that affect everyone into stories that only talk about their effects on women. Shame on you.
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Posted by: Violetflame11 on May 25, 2006 7:33 AM
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I have found in my career that all you can do is go on being tough, and grow a thick skin. Law of the jungle, I guess. Look at Queen Elizabeth. We need more women role models out there, so as generations go by, it will become a norm for strong women to exist, without being feared so much.
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Posted by: fairleft on May 25, 2006 7:56 AM
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So, you have three options: 1., you can make yourself invulnerable (throw away the cr-p without looking at it); 2., you can keep the focus on important social issues (hate mail is not one of them); 3., you can shift your focus to the hate mail and make a big deal out of it.
Which option makes the hate mailer the winner?
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 25, 2006 8:13 AM
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For example, take the liberal bias argument. Someone says the media has a liberal bias. I say "that's not true, because"... now I have a choice. Do I get angry and call this person a right wing hackjob, or do I simply state the reason why it's not true? "That's not true, because the media censors people like Chomsky and yet they do not censor highly extreme right wingers like Perle, Wolfwowitz, Limbaugh, Kristol, Malkin, Coulter, etc etc"...
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Posted by: Amy Alkon on May 25, 2006 8:33 AM
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In short, if you can't stand the heat, go back to the kitchen.
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Posted by: repo on May 25, 2006 8:39 AM
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i was taught in junior high school to say let the name calling and bullying roll off my back. to be secure in the fact that i am better than they are even if it is for the only fact that i don't have to resort to such a low level attack as name calling. (but usually it is for many more reasons than just that.)
it's sad that fully grown adults, especially ones that place themselves into situations where they would be susceptible to the ignorant attacks of the average person, have not yet learned how to deal with it besides complaining about it & give the bullies their 15 minutes of fame.
if you act like it doesn't happen, then no one that isn't attacking you will perceive that it happens at all, and you will appear untouchable. only the bullies themselves will know. and their opinion doesn't really count anyway, does it.
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Posted by: Tiffany Twain on May 25, 2006 8:52 AM
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Check it out --- the revolution in life-altering values begins!
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Posted by: CJC on May 25, 2006 8:55 AM
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That percentage is about the same for the writers of published letters to the NYTimes. Check it out for yourselves.
I don't know whether the sex ratio of published letters accurately reflects the sex ratio of submitted letters or whether there's some way that women write that is judged less cogent or interesting than the way men express themselves. Either way, women's voices are muted.
Then there's the fequently reported observation - never with real data as far as I'm aware - that "single" women are less likely to vote than married women. What's going on? Does this mean that young women not yet married are less likely to vote or single mothers too busy to notice or older widows or all of the above?
Journalists like Schankenberg need a thick skin. If they need a thicker skin than their male colleagues so be it. All women should speak up and be engaged - encourage sisters, daughters, mothers, friends to do the same.
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Posted by: GAbdullah on May 25, 2006 9:14 AM
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I'm with her in deploring the nasty personal attacks she's getting in response to her columns, and I'm truly curious as to whether the weirdos DO actually treat her that way because she (and others) are women. It wouldn't surprise me if it were a sad, ugly truth about our society, and I need to know: I've got a wife and daughter.
But I'm with other respondents who hear her trying (intentionally or accidentally) to confuse persecution for her views with persecution for her gender, and I wish she wouldn't do that: it's a great disservice to the importance of the topic. I wish she (or someone) would give us a sequel that either pulls the issues apart or shows me the error of my ways of thinking. It would be appreciated.
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Most of the less-flattering responses I got were of the "Silly little girl, why don't you leave the opinion writing to the big boys, who know what they're doing" tone, although a few did devolve to name-calling. One letter writer memorably suggested I ought to head off to Iraq and offer my services as a human shield. (It's the sort of message that sticks in the mind....)
For the most part, though -- maybe because I was writing more about regional than state or national issues -- people were inclined to dispute my opinions and not take potshots at me personally.
I'd be interested to hear of anyone else's experiences???
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Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on May 25, 2006 10:04 AM
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As long as there's post, there'll always be hate mail. I've no doubt there were a few poison pen letters in Kevin Costner's mailbag in that lousy movie. There certainly were afterwards =D
I've no idea why anyone would read this crap. I mean, if I received a letter headed "Dear motherf*cker," it'd be slamdunked into the wastepaper basket before you could say Magic Johnson, and I would feel a certain satisfaction in knowing that they'd wasted their time. I think there should be a code of conduct, that as soon as certain words, like 'b!tch,' 'c?nt,' 'a$$hole,' appear in a letter, the rest of it is disregarded and shredded. Of course, there has to be certain leeway, like if a letter reads "Work's a bitch." 8D
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Posted by: Freedomrider on May 25, 2006 10:22 AM
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Also, many of you missed an important point about hate speech. It inevitably leads to threats and violence. It seems that even many Alternet readers are clueless.
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If you object to them using gender-specific terms when they insult you (e.g. calling you a "bitch" rather than an "asshole" or "idiot") then you should make that argument. But I don't really think it makes much of a difference -- insults are insults.
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Posted by: supercrisp on May 25, 2006 11:53 AM
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It’s really nasty. But I have to add this: it goes right along with the (misogynist) assumption that women are repositories of virtue and the (possibly true) belief that women are more nurturing than men. If that’s the image you’re set up with, people, especially thicker ones, will be surprised when that’s not your ethos. In a sense we see women’s role as conservative: a human chockfull of safe, homey goodness preserving all those nice known things. When the woman turns out to be critical, iconoclastic, withdrawn, or anything that’s not a cookie cutout of an idealized and saccharine mommie, then some people go ape.
With boys in college it’s worse. A woman who ain’t the Angel in the House is a threat to their fragile gender identity. This fragility is beaten into them, often literally. I’m not saying we should pity these fellows, but we are all responsible, as a culture, for filling their heads with this malarkey. I think men have to do most of the heavy lifting here: men, tell your fellows that woman aren’t the cartoon of women we’ve been given. And maybe let your buddies know when they seem to be wanting a mommy/Angel/virgin/whore rather than a woman. And women: if you, as some women do, claim you are morally superior to men, you exacerbate this whole problem.
I’d really like to hear how some women have dealt with these issues. I’d want to wring the kids’ necks, but it’s easy for me to sit here, not having been on the receiving end, and say “well, it’s culture...” etc.
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Posted by: YogiBear on May 25, 2006 12:07 PM
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In college opinion writing is what got me interested in journalism, from which I moved on into feature and news reporting. What got this writer motivated to become an opinion journalist? Where's the back story?
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Posted by: rclord on May 25, 2006 12:30 PM
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Maybe some newspapers and magazines are different, but on the web, I've never seen a serious gender gap when it come to hate mail.
Has anyone here ever seen www.bushflash.com? The guy who created made two Flash animations about the hate emails he got. On o'reilly-sucks.com, also created by a guy, two or three pages have hate mail, and one entire section in his forum has recent hate-emails. On another site, www.bigbadchinesemama.com, there were also hate mails, but you could see by the female creators' responses that they thought the posters were just lame.
I'm not a journalist and I don't have a blog, but I once got a few hate emails calling me a bitch and a terrorist because I sent an email protesting animal abuse in fur farms. One of them said: "U R a terrorist! You have been reported." I was startled and a little scared, but I also thought the person that wrote sounded like such a mental case it was impossible for me to be upset.
That's not to say you shouldn't be cautious; especially if the hate mail you got is a death threat. But you shouldn't take it too personally either. I guess it's easy for me to say this because most of the hate mails I read sounded to me so out to lunch that I sometimes laughed when I read them.
So I think women journalists should develop a thicker skin and deal with it. And I'm a woman myself.
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Posted by: Joshua Holland on May 25, 2006 1:56 PM
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But I must say that I never got hatemail in such volume or with such hostility as I did after writing this piece about the struggle American women have in the workforce compared to women in other advanced countries.
I didn't even think the piece would be controversial, but the negative feedback was stunning -- even worse then what I've gotten after writing critically about Israel (and I thought that was the "third rail" of political writing).
I think a lot of men are just really deeply threatened by women demanding an equal footing.
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Posted by: padme on May 25, 2006 2:38 PM
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What would you do?
Sugar and spice and everything nice.
This is suppose to every little girls life.
What happens when life is not like that?
What if your life is filled with constant abuse by the people who suppose to protect you?
For little Katelynn of Indiana, her life is filled with this from a father, stepmother and father's family; everyone but her the relatives that love her have been deined the ability to see her.
What happens when the police will not stop this?
Than try Child Protection Service, but they will not stop this either.
The next thing to do is go to the court.
What would you do if the Child Protection Services and the court helped the abusers hurt her?
The media might work but they ignore majority of average people.
In this search for help, several politicians ignored or said stop bothering them.
If these people will not help little katelynn than who will?
Will this little girl have to pay the ultimate price for these adults mistakes? What would you do?
Indiana's Shame Teardrops for Katelynn
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Posted by: Troubled Texan on May 25, 2006 5:23 PM
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I'm sorry you've been called those horrible names. It proves to me that those individuals need to grab a webster's dictionary and look up the words moral, virtue, adulthood, and mature.
I, myself, have sent angry emails and comments to right wing female bloggers and reporters, especially Ann Coulter, but I would never dive to the level your antagonists have resorted to.
Keep up your good work, know you're doing the right thing, and dismiss the immature childen that call you names.
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on May 25, 2006 7:14 PM
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The Dixie Chicks are among my heroes, and I am not much of a country music fan.
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Posted by: boygranddakar on May 25, 2006 7:49 PM
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The harassment Heidi details is not just insults. She writes that other women journalists have been followed - and for a woman, that is particularly threatening.
The advice "stop whining" or "get a thicker skin" clearly would not protect a woman in this situation.
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Posted by: richards1052 on May 28, 2006 12:06 AM
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Also, it impoverishes media discourse when so few women enter editorial journalism. Who wants to listen to male voices telling the readers what's important in the world & why? I wonder whether the writer has approached a journalism watchdog publication like Columbia Journalism Review about this? It seems like a subject that deserves a wider airing than just here.
But I'd like to note (without at all contradicting anything you said), that even men who take public positions on hot button issues are equally subject to such vile abuse. For example, I write a progressive blog about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In my comments section, I've been assaulted verbally by evangelical Christians, hardline pro-Israel Jews & anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists. I've been called vile, disgusting words. One commenter wished genocide for me and my race & said he'd be only to happy to help finish the task. The things some have said have wounded deeply & still do to some extent whenever I get such comments.
There are mean, disgusting, vile people out there. But I try not to let them get to me as much as they once did. I've instituted blog security provisions that enable me to control what's published in my blog. I find if I can stop the hate before it gets published then it doesn't upset me as much. That way, I just consign it to oblivion before anyone else has to read it.
I wonder whether female reporters can arrange for their mail to be screened so they don't have to read the worst of the s*^t? After all, why should the victim have to further victimize herself by having to read the disgusting things some people write about her?
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Posted by: mitch8789 on May 31, 2006 9:59 AM
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I am a conservative in the majority of my thinking. I have been married to the same woman for 34 years; I have never deprived her of her dreams and aspirations. I still open doors for her and would die in protecting her honor.
True manhood is found NOT in what you control (assets or persons) it is found in the character/integrity that is inside. I was raised in a broken home but found character during a stint in the military and through select males that took the time to fill in "my daddy vacancy".
I am sorry for the abuse you (and other female writers) take at the hands of the misguided.
The male view of the female is(in part) highly influenced not by parents (check divorce statistics) , preachers, teachers or the well meaning, but rather by, for example, Playboy (sexual only - disposable - temporary - beauty is everything), MTV ( sexual only - must be controlled - degraded).
The problems we face in America today are much more complex than mere politics, it is a "soul" issue......
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 25, 2006 12:58 AM
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All this for expressing the opinion that women should be treated somewhat better than dogs and that education and a lack of beatings for many women in many countries would be a nice thing.
And it doesn't matter who often many of us argue and argue and ARGUE that we don't hate men, we don't want to destroy society, we don't advocate neutering our nearest and dearest, but we DO want education, equal opportunities and a lack of beatings and murders.
But there are men out there who fully and absolutely believe that if there is ONE woman in the world who screwed money out of her ex-husband, or ONE woman in the world who had her husband murdered, or ONE woman in the world who took her children away...then we must ALL be like that and we ALL need to be punished. Forever.
I really despair for the owrld sometimes and wonder if it's worth the fight. there are SO many men out there like that that I sometimes think it's just easier to give up. (It's a wonder the women of Pakistan don't all commit mass suicide - that would show their stupid men.)[note: not all Pakistani men are stupid, just a frighteningly large percentage of them, as far as I can work out. Lack of education and too many ridiculous tribal customs]
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Posted by: talkville on May 25, 2006 1:24 AM
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I've never read any ideas, concepts or opinions that have gender. Whatever they are, they stand or fall in our common encounter with such ideas, concepts or opinions.
Kudos! and continue! Slow as it may be, progress is the only direction; With reaction, the most we get is the unacceptable status quo at best; the worst? well, that's a matter of opinion among other things; however that may be, these are times we need ALL voices to contribute.
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Posted by: Caro on May 25, 2006 4:44 AM
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I was given a lot of grief at the time, even from people who consider themselves progressives, for just bringing up the topic.
Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake made the most interesting observation not long ago that although the most recent surveys show men predominate by far as blog readers, Jane's readers are at least half female. As are mine, I believe, though I have no survey to prove it. Jane pointed out that other surveys show women are less interested in politics than men, and she wondered if it's not because women have so few other women to read or to listen to for political commentary.
I wonder the same thing.
The sad thing is that no one with any money to fund political efforts, at least not any that I've been able to get in touch with, wants to fund any effort that takes time to have an impact. I haven't been able to find anyone willing to fund a sustained drive to find and nurture progressive commentary talent at all, much less a specific program aimed at getting women more involved in the political process by finding and nurturing female commentators.
If you didn't know better, you might think the efforts those folks are now funding were working.
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I note that Alternet and other similar pseudoLeft websites are funded by nonprofit foundations set up and funded by large corporations, business lobbies and the upper class. They are helping to divide and rule by keeping the focus of the political debate on social issues like race and gender, and away from populist economics.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 25, 2006 6:12 AM
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In any case, how many of these responses came from actual individuals, and how many from PR firms who were trying to dissuade the author from writing? There is a huge public relations/ propaganda presence on most web sites, discussions, etc. Influencing public opinion is the name of their game, and isn't the net an important medium? PR firm whistleblowers have repeatedly shown that PR firms write letters under fake names, and engage in every other kind of subterfuge you can think of.
Too bad there isn't more investigative journalism out there. American journalism has degraded to mostly 'opinion journalism' - which has to be an oxymoron. What's the factual basis of your opinion? That's the important question.
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Posted by: Thatslife on May 25, 2006 6:22 AM
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Here's some observations I've made in recent years...
In excess of 80% of relationship breakups are initiated by women.
Women recover from breakups and find new partners much quicker than males. One of the parting comments made by my ex wife, 'I know I can get any man I want'... the majority of attractive women would respond to that comment with a knowing smile!
Males are much more emotionally fragile.
In MY experience...women appear to be far more promiscuous than males, alchoholism...rife among modern women, being a contributing factor. I can already hear the howls of protest...prove me wrong!
And how many men have lost partners to their best friends or work colleagues? A billion hands go up....
Women are rarely interested in single men...married males are much more exciting to prise away from their partners. And yes....men are dumb fools for taking the bait ...a little attention and sex works wonders!
It's not all your fault ladies...society really is to blame. Consider the impact on women of those trashy tv/magazines and aggressive marketing/imagery. Young women HAVE to display sexuality by the way they dress and present themselves. I have always been bewildered by the sight of a beautiful woman dressed 'to kill'. If 'caught looking' we are labelled as perverts...'what are you looking at?'....what the hell do you expect!!!! We can't win!
And let's not forget the power of the 'sexual harrasment' complaint...many consider this the ultimate weapon in a womans arsenal.
Of course there are the wife beaters out there...one could not but sympathise with women exposed to violence...yet I've personally known women attracted to the very 'he' men displaying these traits...
Despite this...it really is a womans world...you get the choice, you just choose wrong!
Sorry ladies, perfection doesn't exist.
Slut, mole, whore, harlot, gold digger etc...one wonders why there are not as many similar names for men. In fact, about the best I can think of is 'bastard'....
Yes ladies, you have much to complain about, and you do lots of complaining....but you have a long way to go to earn my respect.
A parting shot perhaps...women place so much emphasis on marriage, but lets face it....'forever do us part' isn't worth the paper it's written on. No matter how hard we try...sooner or later we'll come home from work and find you in bed with our best mate!
I can't wait for the insults!
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Posted by: Burton on May 25, 2006 6:31 AM
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I've been the editor of an "alternative" newspaper and if that is all you have been called, you are ahead of the game. Let's not forget that journalists are jailed, tortured and "disappeared" in much of the world.
So buck up and deal with the name calling. If you are not being called names, you are not doing your job.
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I think the lesson here is clear. 1. The right wing is full of hate. 2. They hate women particularly.
Or, possibly, 2. They are cowards, and because their right wing views hold that women are powerless, they feel more free to express their hatred against women.
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Posted by: Moonray on May 25, 2006 7:13 AM
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Seriously, this is trend so tiresome -- and, more importantly, psychologically damaging to girls and young women forming their identities. An entire generation of young women now are unable to hold a conversation without first identifying themselves as victims battling a cruel world conspiring against them. If you don't believe it, just tune into almost any TV channel at any time of day or night.
The pioneering women journalists of the 19th and 20th centuries would be disgusted by this constant whining.
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Posted by: mjaybee on May 25, 2006 7:28 AM
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I recently watched a documentary where men who sought custody of their children were branded as abusers and batterers, for instance. Any movement to address inequities of family law or child custody , etc. are met with very ugly responses from "feminists" who want men to share in the household on paper, but adamantly change their story once a divorce occurs.
Tell the whole story, Heidi, and quit doing what we see every day in the MSM - spinning issues that affect everyone into stories that only talk about their effects on women. Shame on you.
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I have found in my career that all you can do is go on being tough, and grow a thick skin. Law of the jungle, I guess. Look at Queen Elizabeth. We need more women role models out there, so as generations go by, it will become a norm for strong women to exist, without being feared so much.
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So, you have three options: 1., you can make yourself invulnerable (throw away the cr-p without looking at it); 2., you can keep the focus on important social issues (hate mail is not one of them); 3., you can shift your focus to the hate mail and make a big deal out of it.
Which option makes the hate mailer the winner?
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 25, 2006 8:13 AM
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For example, take the liberal bias argument. Someone says the media has a liberal bias. I say "that's not true, because"... now I have a choice. Do I get angry and call this person a right wing hackjob, or do I simply state the reason why it's not true? "That's not true, because the media censors people like Chomsky and yet they do not censor highly extreme right wingers like Perle, Wolfwowitz, Limbaugh, Kristol, Malkin, Coulter, etc etc"...
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Posted by: repo on May 25, 2006 8:39 AM
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i was taught in junior high school to say let the name calling and bullying roll off my back. to be secure in the fact that i am better than they are even if it is for the only fact that i don't have to resort to such a low level attack as name calling. (but usually it is for many more reasons than just that.)
it's sad that fully grown adults, especially ones that place themselves into situations where they would be susceptible to the ignorant attacks of the average person, have not yet learned how to deal with it besides complaining about it & give the bullies their 15 minutes of fame.
if you act like it doesn't happen, then no one that isn't attacking you will perceive that it happens at all, and you will appear untouchable. only the bullies themselves will know. and their opinion doesn't really count anyway, does it.
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Posted by: Tiffany Twain on May 25, 2006 8:52 AM
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Check it out --- the revolution in life-altering values begins!
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That percentage is about the same for the writers of published letters to the NYTimes. Check it out for yourselves.
I don't know whether the sex ratio of published letters accurately reflects the sex ratio of submitted letters or whether there's some way that women write that is judged less cogent or interesting than the way men express themselves. Either way, women's voices are muted.
Then there's the fequently reported observation - never with real data as far as I'm aware - that "single" women are less likely to vote than married women. What's going on? Does this mean that young women not yet married are less likely to vote or single mothers too busy to notice or older widows or all of the above?
Journalists like Schankenberg need a thick skin. If they need a thicker skin than their male colleagues so be it. All women should speak up and be engaged - encourage sisters, daughters, mothers, friends to do the same.
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Posted by: GAbdullah on May 25, 2006 9:14 AM
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I'm with her in deploring the nasty personal attacks she's getting in response to her columns, and I'm truly curious as to whether the weirdos DO actually treat her that way because she (and others) are women. It wouldn't surprise me if it were a sad, ugly truth about our society, and I need to know: I've got a wife and daughter.
But I'm with other respondents who hear her trying (intentionally or accidentally) to confuse persecution for her views with persecution for her gender, and I wish she wouldn't do that: it's a great disservice to the importance of the topic. I wish she (or someone) would give us a sequel that either pulls the issues apart or shows me the error of my ways of thinking. It would be appreciated.
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Posted by: RisaQ on May 25, 2006 9:53 AM
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Most of the less-flattering responses I got were of the "Silly little girl, why don't you leave the opinion writing to the big boys, who know what they're doing" tone, although a few did devolve to name-calling. One letter writer memorably suggested I ought to head off to Iraq and offer my services as a human shield. (It's the sort of message that sticks in the mind....)
For the most part, though -- maybe because I was writing more about regional than state or national issues -- people were inclined to dispute my opinions and not take potshots at me personally.
I'd be interested to hear of anyone else's experiences???
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Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on May 25, 2006 10:04 AM
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As long as there's post, there'll always be hate mail. I've no doubt there were a few poison pen letters in Kevin Costner's mailbag in that lousy movie. There certainly were afterwards =D
I've no idea why anyone would read this crap. I mean, if I received a letter headed "Dear motherf*cker," it'd be slamdunked into the wastepaper basket before you could say Magic Johnson, and I would feel a certain satisfaction in knowing that they'd wasted their time. I think there should be a code of conduct, that as soon as certain words, like 'b!tch,' 'c?nt,' 'a$$hole,' appear in a letter, the rest of it is disregarded and shredded. Of course, there has to be certain leeway, like if a letter reads "Work's a bitch." 8D
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Posted by: Freedomrider on May 25, 2006 10:22 AM
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Also, many of you missed an important point about hate speech. It inevitably leads to threats and violence. It seems that even many Alternet readers are clueless.
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If you object to them using gender-specific terms when they insult you (e.g. calling you a "bitch" rather than an "asshole" or "idiot") then you should make that argument. But I don't really think it makes much of a difference -- insults are insults.
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It’s really nasty. But I have to add this: it goes right along with the (misogynist) assumption that women are repositories of virtue and the (possibly true) belief that women are more nurturing than men. If that’s the image you’re set up with, people, especially thicker ones, will be surprised when that’s not your ethos. In a sense we see women’s role as conservative: a human chockfull of safe, homey goodness preserving all those nice known things. When the woman turns out to be critical, iconoclastic, withdrawn, or anything that’s not a cookie cutout of an idealized and saccharine mommie, then some people go ape.
With boys in college it’s worse. A woman who ain’t the Angel in the House is a threat to their fragile gender identity. This fragility is beaten into them, often literally. I’m not saying we should pity these fellows, but we are all responsible, as a culture, for filling their heads with this malarkey. I think men have to do most of the heavy lifting here: men, tell your fellows that woman aren’t the cartoon of women we’ve been given. And maybe let your buddies know when they seem to be wanting a mommy/Angel/virgin/whore rather than a woman. And women: if you, as some women do, claim you are morally superior to men, you exacerbate this whole problem.
I’d really like to hear how some women have dealt with these issues. I’d want to wring the kids’ necks, but it’s easy for me to sit here, not having been on the receiving end, and say “well, it’s culture...” etc.
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In college opinion writing is what got me interested in journalism, from which I moved on into feature and news reporting. What got this writer motivated to become an opinion journalist? Where's the back story?
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Maybe some newspapers and magazines are different, but on the web, I've never seen a serious gender gap when it come to hate mail.
Has anyone here ever seen www.bushflash.com? The guy who created made two Flash animations about the hate emails he got. On o'reilly-sucks.com, also created by a guy, two or three pages have hate mail, and one entire section in his forum has recent hate-emails. On another site, www.bigbadchinesemama.com, there were also hate mails, but you could see by the female creators' responses that they thought the posters were just lame.
I'm not a journalist and I don't have a blog, but I once got a few hate emails calling me a bitch and a terrorist because I sent an email protesting animal abuse in fur farms. One of them said: "U R a terrorist! You have been reported." I was startled and a little scared, but I also thought the person that wrote sounded like such a mental case it was impossible for me to be upset.
That's not to say you shouldn't be cautious; especially if the hate mail you got is a death threat. But you shouldn't take it too personally either. I guess it's easy for me to say this because most of the hate mails I read sounded to me so out to lunch that I sometimes laughed when I read them.
So I think women journalists should develop a thicker skin and deal with it. And I'm a woman myself.
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But I must say that I never got hatemail in such volume or with such hostility as I did after writing this piece about the struggle American women have in the workforce compared to women in other advanced countries.
I didn't even think the piece would be controversial, but the negative feedback was stunning -- even worse then what I've gotten after writing critically about Israel (and I thought that was the "third rail" of political writing).
I think a lot of men are just really deeply threatened by women demanding an equal footing.
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What would you do?
Sugar and spice and everything nice.
This is suppose to every little girls life.
What happens when life is not like that?
What if your life is filled with constant abuse by the people who suppose to protect you?
For little Katelynn of Indiana, her life is filled with this from a father, stepmother and father's family; everyone but her the relatives that love her have been deined the ability to see her.
What happens when the police will not stop this?
Than try Child Protection Service, but they will not stop this either.
The next thing to do is go to the court.
What would you do if the Child Protection Services and the court helped the abusers hurt her?
The media might work but they ignore majority of average people.
In this search for help, several politicians ignored or said stop bothering them.
If these people will not help little katelynn than who will?
Will this little girl have to pay the ultimate price for these adults mistakes? What would you do?
Indiana's Shame Teardrops for Katelynn
referral sources
www.courageouskids.net
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Posted by: Troubled Texan on May 25, 2006 5:23 PM
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I'm sorry you've been called those horrible names. It proves to me that those individuals need to grab a webster's dictionary and look up the words moral, virtue, adulthood, and mature.
I, myself, have sent angry emails and comments to right wing female bloggers and reporters, especially Ann Coulter, but I would never dive to the level your antagonists have resorted to.
Keep up your good work, know you're doing the right thing, and dismiss the immature childen that call you names.
Troubled
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The Dixie Chicks are among my heroes, and I am not much of a country music fan.
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Posted by: boygranddakar on May 25, 2006 7:49 PM
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The harassment Heidi details is not just insults. She writes that other women journalists have been followed - and for a woman, that is particularly threatening.
The advice "stop whining" or "get a thicker skin" clearly would not protect a woman in this situation.
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Also, it impoverishes media discourse when so few women enter editorial journalism. Who wants to listen to male voices telling the readers what's important in the world & why? I wonder whether the writer has approached a journalism watchdog publication like Columbia Journalism Review about this? It seems like a subject that deserves a wider airing than just here.
But I'd like to note (without at all contradicting anything you said), that even men who take public positions on hot button issues are equally subject to such vile abuse. For example, I write a progressive blog about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In my comments section, I've been assaulted verbally by evangelical Christians, hardline pro-Israel Jews & anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists. I've been called vile, disgusting words. One commenter wished genocide for me and my race & said he'd be only to happy to help finish the task. The things some have said have wounded deeply & still do to some extent whenever I get such comments.
There are mean, disgusting, vile people out there. But I try not to let them get to me as much as they once did. I've instituted blog security provisions that enable me to control what's published in my blog. I find if I can stop the hate before it gets published then it doesn't upset me as much. That way, I just consign it to oblivion before anyone else has to read it.
I wonder whether female reporters can arrange for their mail to be screened so they don't have to read the worst of the s*^t? After all, why should the victim have to further victimize herself by having to read the disgusting things some people write about her?
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Posted by: kiel on May 29, 2006 5:13 AM
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Posted by: mitch8789 on May 31, 2006 9:59 AM
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I am a conservative in the majority of my thinking. I have been married to the same woman for 34 years; I have never deprived her of her dreams and aspirations. I still open doors for her and would die in protecting her honor.
True manhood is found NOT in what you control (assets or persons) it is found in the character/integrity that is inside. I was raised in a broken home but found character during a stint in the military and through select males that took the time to fill in "my daddy vacancy".
I am sorry for the abuse you (and other female writers) take at the hands of the misguided.
The male view of the female is(in part) highly influenced not by parents (check divorce statistics) , preachers, teachers or the well meaning, but rather by, for example, Playboy (sexual only - disposable - temporary - beauty is everything), MTV ( sexual only - must be controlled - degraded).
The problems we face in America today are much more complex than mere politics, it is a "soul" issue......
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Posted by: Rachel Wayne on Jul 7, 2006 6:17 PM
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