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Rev. Moon's Conjugal Visitations

By John Gorenfeld, AlterNet. Posted April 17, 2006.


We all know the religious Right wants to tell us what we can't do in the bedroom, but no one asks what they want us to do instead.
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Among the trendier gripes about why liberals lack power in American politics is that there isn't enough tolerance for America's faithful. A big problem, Rabbi Michael Lerner recently sighed, is that "the Left's hostility to religion and spirituality has become such a major stumbling block to the chances that progressive forces will ever win enough power" to make a difference. So the new advice, from Hillary Clinton to the New Republic's Gregg Easterbrook, is: Stop making snickering remarks at Jerry Falwell's expense. Cheer the innovation of $2 billion in federal tax money carted off to religious groups last year. Drag the "Left Behind" series into your Amazon shopping cart.

And listen, I should add, to the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, owner of the conservative mouthpiece the Washington Times and self-proclaimed Messiah. Moon's warning to America is that we must have sex the way he entreats us, in the positions he has designated, or else forfeit our "love organs," as he dubs them, to the dark lord Satan.

We all know the Right wants to decide what we can't do in the bedroom. But no one ever seems to ask what the Right wants us to do instead.

"After the act of love," read the instructions from the Rev. Moon's conservative Family Federation, "both spouses should wipe their sexual areas with the Holy Handkerchief. Hang the handkerchief[s] to dry naturally and keep them eternally. They must be kept individually labeled and should never be laundered and mixed up."

Maybe the best explanation of our widespread ignorance of the Washington Times owner's sex rites is liberal squeamishness. For those of you who suckled on secular humanism and feminist tracts (which Moon calls Satanic, by the way), these prescriptions from God might seem as off-putting as a Castro Street postcard storefront to Dr. James Dobson.

But in order to usher in a national dialogue on faith in the public square, it's important to look beyond stereotypes of the Right to understand the diverse philosophies behind public movements for state-enforced morality.

Rev. Moon, whose Washington Times is a crown jewel of the conservative media Death Star, offers the essential lessons. He's the last man most Americans would associate with Republican power circles, but is in his own secretive way as important a figure in the Christian Right as Jerry Falwell, who's still in business thanks to a $3.5 million bailout from Moon in 1995, or Tim LaHaye of the Council For National Policy, who took money to serve on the board of a group rehabilitating Moon's image, and once wrote a letter addressing Moon as "the Master."

Just how big is Moon's standing in the Right? The "Republican Noise Machine" is a mighty edifice built with $3 billion in gifts from various right-wing philanthropists. Moon's gift of the Washington Times to the conservative cause alone places him in the club as a charter member; the paper owes its existence to a staggering figure of over $2,000,000,000 since 1982 in donations in Moon's mystery money.

Moon also also controls United Press International, one of the world’s largest wire news services. In addition to having a hand in the creation of modern-day Christian Right politics, Moon has given huge sums to Richard Viguerie, the "founding funder" of the Reagan revolution; Terry Dolan, the pioneer of the "liberal bias" attack; and George W. Bush, who received $250,000 from Moon in 2004.

By 1989, U.S. News & World Report was reporting Moon had built "a network of affiliated organizations and connections in almost every conservative organization in Washington, including the Heritage Foundation," but that "conservatives ... fear repercussions if they expose the church's role." In 2004, a veteran Christian Right lobbyist, Gary Jarmin, arranged to have Moon coronated the "King of Peace" in a kitschy ceremony on Capitol Hill in which he wore a glittering crown and royal robes.


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This makes me so sick, I could not read it all
Posted by: HawkSpirit on Apr 17, 2006 12:59 AM   
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One of the most beautiful things given to us is sexaul love. Buddist and Hindus know this can bring spiritual enlightment. There for why do Christians think it is so bad? Paul was the one that started all this nonsense and I bet he had very gay tendencies. Forbid what you feel is supposed to make it go away?

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» I love it! Posted by: medstudgeek
» Paul and India Posted by: Swatopluk
The Holy Handkerchief of Antioch?
Posted by: gcollyer on Apr 17, 2006 2:43 AM   
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'Tis one of the of sacred relics Brother Maynard always carries with him. [...] Consult the Book of Armaments.

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Dangerous Religious Right love affair with controlling your sex.
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Apr 17, 2006 3:07 AM   
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There needs to be clarification here that Rev. Moon is not Christian, though he is Religious Right & presides over a dangerous cult. If the Christian Right had any integrity they would see Moon as an anti-christ & in terms of their definitions, he would fit. Instead, they collude with him in criminal enterprises. They use religion as a way to control people. You can restrict sexual behavior and control people. Religion can free people when it is the individual's own enlightenment on their own terms, nobody else's. Instead they use religion to exploit and control others.

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» Hear, hear! Posted by: mazur
» NonChristian "Christians"...? Posted by: chasaturn
» RE: NonChristian "Christians"...? Posted by: Aussie Kim
Cut off our BOTTOMS?
Posted by: paulaH on Apr 17, 2006 3:54 AM   
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"Women who don't want to have children should cut away their breasts, bottoms and love organ because the purpose for those was first for the children.

Can someone please tell me how my ASS's main purpose is for my CHILDREN?????? I have been a mother for 25 years and I have yet to use my ass in my childrearing techniques. I don't believe in shitting on my kids. That's not only nasty, it's rather rude and disrespectful. Perhaps I'm supposed to give them the original breath of life by farting into their mouths. Hmmm.

Or maybe it's just that the good Rev can't keep control of his own perverted sexual urges and so shoots the messenger rather than take the blame for his own weakness. No wonder the Bushes think he's wonderful. He's taught them how to blame others.

My daughter says Moon should take his eyes out because they are meant to see the truth not to be used as a sex organ.

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» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: mwildfire
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: zipper696
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: MsEithne
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: Renoso
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: slowerpez
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: cynnbad
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: foston
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: Cut off our BOTTOMS? Posted by: lurch394
Moon is significantly more disturbing than this article says.
Posted by: wli on Apr 17, 2006 3:57 AM   
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For the mere tip of the iceberg, witness the Unification Church's affiliation with the World Anti-Communist League, an organization comprised of Nazi war criminals, Latin American death squad leaders, and the like. The ties to the usual Republican drug cartels and terrorism (e.g. Propaganda Due) are there too of course. Also omitted are Moon's roles in Koreagate, the 1980 Cocaine Coup, and so on.

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Pure ritualistic magic
Posted by: mazur on Apr 17, 2006 4:01 AM   
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The stuff described in this article strikes me as singularly stupid, and as superstitious as the sexual practices of Mumbo Jumbo hunter-gatherer tribes. Why educated people should fall for this beats me completely. If Moon often produces gems like this one -- "Invite me as master and owner, or it all will fade away and be broken" -- he should be locked up in an asylum and treated for napoleonic mania, but I guess he's too wealthy and important for that.

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» RE: Pure ritualistic magic Posted by: doorma
» RE: Pure ritualistic magic Posted by: dp1228
» RE: Pure ritualistic magic Posted by: Omar23
The Left's "Hostility Toward Religion"
Posted by: kww355 on Apr 17, 2006 4:17 AM   
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Rabbi Lerner kvetches about the Left's "hostility toward religion". Where does he think it came from?!

If my fellow liberals are anything like me, it became directly proportional to the growth of the power of the Fundamentalists. Fifteen years ago, I was serving as an elder in the Presbyterian church. Today, I do not even identify as Christian, nor do I attend church.

Since the Fundamentalists have hijacked Christianity in this country, I want no part of religion. It is the opiate of the people.

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» RE: The Left's "Hostility Toward Religion" Posted by: stoneinthestream
» There is still hope. Posted by: djtyg
» Opiate of the masses Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Opiate of the masses Posted by: wavydavy
» RE: Opiate of the masses Posted by: djtyg
Scary Information
Posted by: sweetmorganlefey on Apr 17, 2006 4:36 AM   
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What is of concern to me is that is person OWNS the Washington Times.

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» AMEN! Posted by: Lizmv
» RE: AMEN! Posted by: kclaf
» RE: AMEN! Posted by: skyryder37
Why do you believe what you believe?
Posted by: eileenflmng on Apr 17, 2006 4:50 AM   
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St Augustine first corrupted Christs message of NONVIOLENT RESISTANCE to justify war when he wrote "The Just War Theory" that promoted the false god of empire building, power, control and violence.

It was also because of Augustine's writings about giving up his life of sexual pleasure when he came to God that the misunderstanding that sex was somehow wrong/bad came into vogue.

Augustine was a cad, but this fact has been ignored by the church.

Instead of marrying his mistress and mother of his son when he came into a relationship with God, he told her to beat it and he took their son.

Authentic Christianity is nonviolent and is all about peace, justice and liberation.

The God of war, violence, oppression, terror, control and guilt must be rejected.

Rejecting away on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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» Read the book! Posted by: Envi
» RE: ead the book! Posted by: Jimbo
gentlewoman
Posted by: lokicat on Apr 17, 2006 5:04 AM   
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Misogyny as awful as this has not been seen since the days of the book the Hammer of the Witches written 5 centuries ago. This book was used to justify the "women's holocaust" that ended up with 9 million women (mostly) being tortured and killed. Moon's paranoia and narcissim know no bounds. What goes on in that squirrely brain?
GAR

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» RE: gentlewoman Posted by: ttmrichter
Religion is pathological
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 17, 2006 5:12 AM   
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Religion is a form of mental illness and should be treated as such. It is not normal to believe in invisible beings and other magical creatures, especially when there is not a shred of objective evidence that such beings exist.

It's also abnormal to cling to ancient myths dreamed up by primitive people who lacked our current scientific knowledge. Now we know why people die and the moon and sun grow "dark" periodically. We shouldn't need the primitive explanations provided by religion.

Public policy should discourage religion and other forms of superstition.

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» Well said! Posted by: beeson
» RE: eligion is pathological Posted by: Jamboree
» Nonsense Posted by: Moonray
» RE: Nonsense Posted by: Xynyx
» Read Snow Crash for that matter Posted by: brasilaron
» RE: eligion is pathological Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: eligion is pathological Posted by: zipper696
» RE: eligion is pathological Posted by: simplefear
» RE: eligion is pathological Posted by: aussidawg
» So you advocate hypocrisy? Posted by: Moonray
» RE: religion is pathological Posted by: doctorsquared
» DSM and insanity Posted by: EasterBunny
Incredible
Posted by: worksg on Apr 17, 2006 5:41 AM   
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This story would be difficult to accept as a work of fiction. As fact it is mind-boggling. Is there a definitive book available about Moon? There should be.

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» RE: Incredible Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver
» Book? Posted by: stevejd
The religious "right" has already given Christianity irreversible damage
Posted by: SDres11 on Apr 17, 2006 5:45 AM   
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How about we unite the religious left and those who aren't into religion for a change and fight back? Look what happened in South Dakota and Nebraska recently on the issues of "abortion" and school segregation respectively. How much more of this does the nation need until we wake up ?!?

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» RE: Evangelicalism is dying Posted by: Jasonix
» RE: vangelicalism is dying Posted by: aussidawg
» Don't despair - there is hope Posted by: GreenLibbie
Is it too late?
Posted by: jrmart66 on Apr 17, 2006 5:58 AM   
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Damn!!! I have been doing it all wrong all these years!!!

I don't suppose the True Father has a way for me to redeem myself in the eyes of God (his eyes?)

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» RE: Is it too late? Posted by: melistress
Moon, Shmoon
Posted by: Linda50 on Apr 17, 2006 6:33 AM   
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It is interesting how the MOON movement has changed from a cult in the '70' to a "mainstream" religion now? But it's not so mainstream if the MOON has to hide behind the su/on? No matter, it is still making money for a right-wing lobbist for the right-wing relgious, fascists that is trying to "cleanse" the American people. Hitler is reincarnated with all of Gestapo with him. Question is, who is really Hitler? and who is the puppet? WE the American people are the Jews being exterminated, right down to our military. Another question is, who would be left when all of the Indians are dead?

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» Tax the "churches" Posted by: chasaturn
the connection between Rev. Moon and sushi
Posted by: ccaporusso on Apr 17, 2006 7:25 AM   
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http://www.chicagotribune.com
/news/nationworld/
chi-0604120131apr12,1,348314.htmlstory

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Great article
Posted by: DaveB on Apr 17, 2006 7:42 AM   
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Mr Moon is quite bizarre. We could use to hear a lot more about him, and frequently. Repitition helps the lesson sink in.

Like others who have commented, I'm concerned about the rising political influence of the Religious Right. How can we counter this? Probably not by a direct assault on their religious beliefs; this will just make them cling to their beliefs all the harder.

The problem is more with the leaders of the movement than with the rank-and-file believers. In this way they are like the military.

Many ordinary people in the Religious Right are probably motivated by a deep desire to do the right thing, and by a need for fellowship and community. That's like a lot of us progressives. It's just that they have channeled these essentially positive desires/needs into a structure that is not helpful, and that has perverse leadership.

If we meet the ordinary people of the Religious Right on the common ground of our mututal desire to do the right thing, we might be able to relax their panic/hysteria and begin to build a little trust on the personal level. Then we can maybe get them to see that there are important shared goals we could work on together.

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» RE: Common Ground Posted by: DataDoc
» RE: Great article Posted by: MT512
» Good point Posted by: GreenLibbie
OMG
Posted by: Moonbat on Apr 17, 2006 8:03 AM   
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I disagree.

Stuff this ridiculous must be confronted head on and not appeased.

We truly need to reach out to these lost souls in a warm manner with common sense and sound rationality. We should not absorb their wackiness and act like it's cool.

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» RE: OMG Posted by: DaveB
» RE: OMG Posted by: Moonbat
» I'm With You 100%! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: Passivity is not an option Posted by: just john
» RE: Passivity is not an option Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Do these sex instructions exist in pamphlet form?
Posted by: just john on Apr 17, 2006 9:24 AM   
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It might be fun to make sure stacks of such pamphlets always show up at Republican "pro-family" events.

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» That's perfect! Posted by: mmeetoilenoir
THE HEART OF AMERICA'S PROBLEMS
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Apr 17, 2006 9:38 AM   
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This well-researched article is but one link in a very long and truly frightening chain that forms the harness on freedom FROM religion, therefore ALL freedoms in the U.S.

As a consistenty vocal advocate (in my small way, as a relative non-entity) of abolishing religion from public and corporate policy, I eventually found I was unable to live free of it, in America. I now reside in Spain, which is fully secular now, politically. (And even socially, with the great majority of the general public openly self-identifying as "humanist".) If they can do it (change, culturally), so MUST Americans.

The louder voices in America are not covering this issue of runaway theocracy. This is not a "separate" issue from others, but is woven through all the others facing America's would-be democracy.

Therefore, I propose that fighting this by exposing it through the loudest possible grass-roots efforts of every kind, is the only viable strategy.

I DON'T cast my vote for the "Dove" approach. This is what got us into this mess, in the first place. This has become an eagle moment. The obvious weapon is informing the public, and not cowering under social pressure. Again, that's what has brought the country to the theocracy that it is.

This enemy of freedom may look silly to those of us who prefer the rational to the emotional as the base of our decision-making processes, but the TOTALITARIAN docrine is the domain this enemy seeks.

This single issue transcends Iraq, Iran, presidents and wars past and present. We need only look at "religion's" bloody, anti-human history to see it's lurking dangers. But that's a big part of the problem in the U.S. - the history of the world seems to be either forgotten, or simply never read.

Fomenting widespead knowledge of that history, is likely the only way it won't be repeated in, ironically yet tellingly, a society which lives in the delusion that it lives in justice, freedom and democracy.

This is very serious!

Steven Wanzell,
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

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Evangelical Conceit, Politics
Posted by: StuartH on Apr 17, 2006 10:16 AM   
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I went to a university that was funded by the Southern Baptist Convention in the early seventies. One thing that most of my friends and I dismissed at the time was the Young Republican
participation in nearly nightly Bible studies.

There were two things that I heard about that have stayed with me. One was a recognition that the public, under the siren song of '60s progressivism (a combination of civil rights and the sexual revolution), was lost. If you wanted to change things you had to lie about what you really were about to get votes to get into power. The underlying justification was that "for the righteous, there are a different set of rules and the ends justify the means".

The danger arising from this is a drift into thinking that God is directing your thoughts and actions and that anything can become conceivable when the opposition can be ignored as "heathens."

Christianity has become corrupted by this involutional thinking and this should be exposed.

A lot of voters don't seem to believe that ruthless manipulators who mean to expoit faith are operating through their vulnerability. This is monstrous. In the end it can only lead to greater cynicism.

That's why I sometimes refer to myself as a "born again pagan." These people are killing Christianity.

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Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Apr 17, 2006 10:20 AM   
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Sounds to me like he is purporting to be God. And if my Bible doesn't fail me, that is the kind of thing that is not allowed. Maybe the Christians in Washington who are following this crazy man, should read the Bible again. They seem to forget the good parts and memorize only the bad parts and badly at that.

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» RE: Deb Posted by: MT512
It would be easier to take this type of stuff seriously...
Posted by: Washington Hotlist on Apr 17, 2006 10:34 AM   
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if the "Religious Right" wasn't so selectively enforcing various parts of the Bible...you know, the ones that speak out against homosexuality and the like to fuel their hate-filled agenda.

I didn't know the point of religion was to organize one group of people to hate another group. On that note, Happy Easter and Passover everyone!

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Moon Man the Fake
Posted by: Infidel on Apr 17, 2006 11:05 AM   
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Moon, like all gods, is a big fat fake. That this lunatic yields the power he does is an indication of how religion requires insanity and how wide spread insanity is. Somebody save us from the religious !!!

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As soon as someone says
Posted by: bithead on Apr 17, 2006 11:23 AM   
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'God is this', or 'God is that', you can be sure they're up to no good. They just want to manipulate people. And, they're never right. About god, that is.

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Looney "Rev." Moon is WAY out there..
Posted by: lydia cypher on Apr 17, 2006 11:26 AM   
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But what's really scary is the financial empire he's created and the way he's using it to fund his wacko right-wing agenda. Check out this series of articles from the Napa Sentinel that appeared way back in 1992. (Note the connection to Ronald Reagan and George Bush the elder.) Moon's success is also a glaring example of the failures in American society to raise critical thinkers. How else can you explain the numbers who've joined up with such a ludicrous megalomaniac and his nutty organization? Here's the link to the series of 1992 articles:

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/1earth4.html

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Moon has Psychological problems.
Posted by: Liberal on Apr 17, 2006 11:29 AM   
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As I love Psychology so much, and how much I know about this concept, he seems to me that he is in denial about himself. Something is disturbing him, why else would he act this way? Maybe he is Satan himself?

I really didn't believe that when I read this, that this guy is the most fucked up person I have ever heard of, and read from, that it could be possible.

He is from the Religious Right? Oh my fuck! Save me! I do not want the Religious Right telling me what to do in the bedroom. Rev. Moon can go fuck himself.

His rhetoric, is so sick, so disturbing, so disrespectful, so messed up, bias and ignorant that I think I have gone mad.

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FEAR SELLS!!!
Posted by: Envi on Apr 17, 2006 11:36 AM   
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Just as Bush uses fear tactics to get our population to follow his crazy whims, religion is completely based on the fear and penalty of death, which is humorous in itself as everyone is subject to death. A person will believe anything and can be convinced to do anything, when afraid. It works on down the line- think about this and see how fear-controlled you are:
Insurance- Life insurance particulary, is sold by telling one "You must buy this to take care of your family if you die or they will be destitute"
Bush- We must fight them over there so they don't come over here and attack us again.
Jesus- If you don't believe in me and my teachings, you will burn in hell. Of course, Jesus didn't write even one word of scripture.
Environmental testing- If you don't test your house for radon (or fill in blank- mold, lead, water quality, air quality, formaldehyde, arsenic, yes I'm in the environmental business), you and your family will get cancer (or...)
IRS- If you don't pay your taxes, we will fine you and make your life miserable, even though we can't send you to jail or kill you.
Organic foods- If you eat most grocery market foods, you are eating pesticides, herbicides, growth hormones...
Thugs- "I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse", if you refuse, someone in your family will pay with their life.
Moon- Shit, this one is so wrong on so many levels I don't EVEN know where to start.
Lifebuoy- Remember this? B-O...Body odor...you'll stink if you don't use Lifebuoy soap, or have bad breath if you don't use Scope, I mean, who wants to stink? We are AFRAID of natural body odors 'cause we might get made fun of.

The list goes on and on. Face it- FEAR SELLS!!! And, don't slam me, yes, some of these are legit fears and concerns, and some just for fun, something to think about.

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» RE: FEAR SELLS!!! Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: FEAR SELLS!!! Posted by: foston
These men will be the leaders of a new world...
Posted by: albiegf13 on Apr 17, 2006 11:40 AM   
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That is, unless we stop them.... They cloak themselves in a thin moral veneer, coiffed and dressed in the conservative business style. They sell empty promisses of salvation on earth.. Do as we tell you, seek our approval, watch your neighbor, denounce your neighbor... Their battle cry... "Praise the Lord....! Praise the Lord....!"

Look Out......!

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And never be laundered?
Posted by: Envi on Apr 17, 2006 11:49 AM   
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How gross is that? The Holy Handkerchief can never be laundered and mixed up? Seems it would get a little crunchy and smelly, especially since it has to be kept eternally.
This man is a lunatic. Right now, he's probably having anal sex with Jerry Falwell. Hope they don't mix up those Holy Handkerchiefs! Not surprising Bush took donations from him, either. Cut of the same cloth, those two.

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Like Sushi? You're supporting the Reverand Moon
Posted by: bqtrain on Apr 17, 2006 12:10 PM   
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True World Foods, which almost has a monopoly on the sushi market and supplies sushi to 7000 of the 9000 Sushi restaurants nationwide, is essentially owned by Moon and his followers.

Sushi and Rev. Moon

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It's true...
Posted by: djtyg on Apr 17, 2006 12:11 PM   
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"Among the trendier gripes about why liberals lack power in American politics is that there isn't enough tolerance for America's faithful. A big problem, Rabbi Michael Lerner recently sighed, is that "the Left's hostility to religion and spirituality has become such a major stumbling block to the chances that progressive forces will ever win enough power to make a difference."

First of all, Rabbi Lerner is a liberal, and wrote the book The Left Hand of God, telling that the radical right is anything but Christian.

Second of all, it's true. Religious liberals feel like they are looked down upon all the time by fellow liberals. Granted it's by only a small percentage of the people, but it still hurts our cause when it seems like the only group that is welcoming religious people are the conservatives. Many Christians would join our cause if they knew that they weren't being mocked by us.

Liberals need to get rid of the idea that religion is something that should always be mocked. It is a very precious thing to some people and while calling out people who exploit it on their b.s. is a good thing (like Falwell and Dobson), assuming that all religious people are crazy or irrational is a belief that must end if liberals are to take back America.

Having said that, this is a great article. Not only is it funny, but it also points out the connection between Falwell and Moon. In Christian circles Moon is considered a cultist and a loony, and bringing out facts like this will bring major discredit on the likes of Falwell and others that Moon has donated to.

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It's true...
Posted by: djtyg on Apr 17, 2006 12:11 PM   
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"Among the trendier gripes about why liberals lack power in American politics is that there isn't enough tolerance for America's faithful. A big problem, Rabbi Michael Lerner recently sighed, is that "the Left's hostility to religion and spirituality has become such a major stumbling block to the chances that progressive forces will ever win enough power to make a difference."

First of all, Rabbi Lerner is a liberal, and wrote the book The Left Hand of God, telling that the radical right is anything but Christian.

Second of all, it's true. Religious liberals feel like they are looked down upon all the time by fellow liberals. Granted it's by only a small percentage of the people, but it still hurts our cause when it seems like the only group that is welcoming religious people are the conservatives. Many Christians would join our cause if they knew that they weren't being mocked by us.

Liberals need to get rid of the idea that religion is something that should always be mocked. It is a very precious thing to some people and while calling out people who exploit it on their b.s. is a good thing (like Falwell and Dobson), assuming that all religious people are crazy or irrational is a belief that must end if liberals are to take back America.

Having said that, this is a great article. Not only is it funny, but it also points out the connection between Falwell and Moon. In Christian circles Moon is considered a cultist and a loony, and bringing out facts like this will bring major discredit on the likes of Falwell and others that Moon has donated to.

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It's one thing to respect the faith of others. . .
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Apr 17, 2006 12:32 PM   
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But I have NO RESPECT for BIGOTS, BULLIES and THE WILLFULLY IGNORANT! Expecially if these pig-ignorant fools are using tax money to spread their "virus" and try and tell ME what I can and can't do, watch, think or say!

The First Amendment guarantees these s***heads the freedom to practice their misguided superstitions. . .but it also guarantees me freedom FROM religion if I so choose!

There is no way in hell I will support Hilary Clinton or any other sycophantic suck-up who will not stand up and call evil by its name! Stop coddling the right-wing fundamentalists who selectively quote scripture to justify their own bigotry, and start taking to heart the myriad passages that speak of JUSTICE, MERCY, COMPASSION, and lending aid to those most in need!!!!! (start with Isaiah 10!!!!)

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Moon Worship
Posted by: Roverton on Apr 17, 2006 12:46 PM   
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I think Moon is a Devilishly clever buisnessman. He's got one HELL of a team behind him. Doesn't bother with mind-control, he's got soul-control down!

These guys are selling tickets like they invented Heaven!

How else would he do it?
How else could he get in?
Has to be invited.
Ignoring our instincts is the sin.
He has to look like a good idea,
He has to appear as a freind.
He only needs to get inside
the means justify the end.

Maybe he's just a parable,
For the darkness in us all.
But maybe someone else is literal,
And wants to bring on the Fall.

In either case there's a storm coming.
As we herd up to survive.
Whomever is best at learning anew
will be those whom Nature still keeps alive.

We keep killing each other, brother vs brother
over the pronunciation of something we don't even know.
But the sky was made to invoke awe more than fear,
And there's only the tar pit for those who will not grow.

Armaggeddon is actually personal,
Just ask anyone who's really down,
And beware any spokesman for the "Dove Of Peace"
Who shows up wearing a crown.

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on the other hand
Posted by: rbeebe52 on Apr 17, 2006 1:06 PM   
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I find it interesting that among your respondents there is not a one ready to stand up for Rev. Moon. The original article and the commentaries are so full of invective. For 30 years I have known Rev. Moon to be a sincere man of God working to build a world of peace. In the past several years he has sponsored numerous trips to the Middle East to bring together Christian pastors, Jewish rabbis and Muslim imams in constructive dialogue and reconciliation. They have marched together in both Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip at the risk of their lives. But I don't expect anyone reading this to appreciate the efforts of these courageous men and women.

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smcsong
Posted by: smcsong on Apr 17, 2006 1:12 PM   
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Please back off the hunter gatherers, who usually recognize that different peoples have different customs and who have never caused a fraction the trouble being generated by the current crop of demented monotheists.

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Moon & ultra-right has Satan on the brain
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Apr 17, 2006 1:31 PM   
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Here's a reading list to see what Moon and people like him want for the United States and the rest of the humanity:

Moonwebs: Journey into the Mind of a Cult
Josh Freed -1980
ISBN 0-88893-020-8 paperback
Dewey # 289.9 F853

Revolt In 2100 (Anthology of short stories)
Robert Anson Heinlein
ISBN N/A

(See If This Goes On.)

The Handmaid's Tale
Margaret Atwwod

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Help Right Wing Morality!!!!
Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 17, 2006 3:17 PM   
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I must agree on the right wing's attitudes...a new right wing bumper sticker: ABSTINANCE IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THE SPREAD OF DISEASE AND HEARTACHE...JUST SAY NO TO BUSH AND DICK!!!

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Hi John!
Posted by: stevejd on Apr 17, 2006 3:42 PM   
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Please come by alt.religion.unification for a visit sometime.

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Spiritual Abuse
Posted by: Roverton on Apr 17, 2006 6:00 PM   
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SPITIUALITY IS TO RELIGION
WHAT AN ELLA FITZGERALD CONCERT IS TO KARAOKE.

NOT ALL SPITRITUAL PEOPLE ARE RELIGIOUS.
NOT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE SPIRITUAL.

NOT ALL ATHEISTS ARE AFRAID OF SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM.

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untrue
Posted by: rbeebe52 on Apr 17, 2006 6:19 PM   
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Rev. Moon does not support fascist causes. If he did I would not be a member of his organization. in his movement are people of every conceivable background--religiously, racially, ethnically and politically. His conservatism, for instance, does not support the current goings-on in Iraq. The American military presence has made hte situation there worse, not better.

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be serious
Posted by: rbeebe52 on Apr 17, 2006 6:21 PM   
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It's hard to take seriously anyone who compares George W. Bush with Hitler.

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you are right
Posted by: rbeebe52 on Apr 17, 2006 6:29 PM   
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There are many people claiming to be speaking for God. How do you sort out what's authentic and what is nonsense? For me, you have to study the person's teachings (don't expect to understand Rev. Moon from a few sentences pulled from their context by someone with biased motives) and observe his lifestyle. Rev. Moon is a man of God who sees everyone as a child of God. The fruits of his work is a worldwide movement encompassing people of every race, ethnic group, and religious background.

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grow up!
Posted by: mrjones on Apr 17, 2006 6:43 PM   
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you guys are just as bad as the religious zealots who claim all you heathens are goin' straight to hell, faith in logic is just another form of faith, logic is one useful tool for human inquiry in to the nature of reallity, and religious faith is another one, the fact that they don't always agree indicates that the true complexity of reality exceeds the capacity of the normal human mind...

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Blessed in 95 one of 360,000
Posted by: nbodd2 on Apr 17, 2006 6:44 PM   
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Oh,such a bit of a information.In the year 1995 as a pagan was blessed by Sun Myung Moon.Went with the whole ritual.As of 2006, homeless,in 2005 in December my wife asked me to leave.The lady got the home ,the writer got the road.Thanks-now keep pushing the news.It be the end of an era and all should feel more then fine.

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Rev. Moon..........
Posted by: sidewinder on Apr 17, 2006 7:31 PM   
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What a piece of shit this is! Doesn't AlterNet screen any of this garbage?

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What's next from the reverend? Showers of golden righteousness?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 17, 2006 8:50 PM   
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Quote:
"...Keep pliers in your pocket, he [Rev. Moon] says, 'and when you go to the bathroom, once a day, pinch your love organ. Cut the skin a little bit as a warning.' " If he means go to the bathroom once a day rather than pinching just once, that would be torture enough. . .

You first, Reverend Moonbeam. . .or would that be more accurately, "Reverend Lunatic?"

What an article; nice to know that thanks partially to ol' Loony Moony, S&M and B&D are alive and well in the right-wing "stink-tanks" of Washington.

It's a sad, sad, commentary on America the Stupid that people actually listen to (and bankroll) this whacko.

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MOONIES & LOONIES
Posted by: rsaxto on Apr 18, 2006 1:50 AM   
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THE MOONIES AND OTHER LOONIES NEED TO CLIMB BACK UP INTO THE TREES WHERE THEY BELONG AND STOP TRYING TO CONTROL THE ACTIONS OF DECENT HUMAN BEINGS.

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Was the first part necessary?
Posted by: Uncle Tupelo on Apr 18, 2006 5:03 AM   
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Seems like it ought to be possible to heap abuse on Moon and at the same time respect Lerner and others who are decent and faithful. It's the same kind of thinking as that which equates even the most timid criticism of the war with full-blown support for Al Qaeda.

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couldn't disagree with you more
Posted by: hms2004 on Apr 18, 2006 8:04 AM   
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Religion, if you read history, has NEVER been used to free people, and has ALWAYS been used as a means to control people through conformity.

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Wait a Minute...
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Apr 18, 2006 9:24 AM   
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Anybody remember the 'Moonies'? Those strange, brainwashed looking kids that were made to sell ceramic pins and things on the street in the late Seventies? And the Right loves this guy? Maybe they want us all to become 'Moonies.'

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U.S. Artist General
Posted by: U.S. Artist General on Apr 18, 2006 11:52 AM   
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JUST IN FROM DOHWAM (Department Of Hey WAIT A Minute)

How is it we secular progressives are so slow on the uptake? Redstatechristians (i.e., Biblical literalists) by definition are SCRIPTUALLY CALLED ON to REPUDIATE ANY OBVIOUSLY FALSE MESSIAH. Moon is an In-Our-Face edition of same. Falwell, et al, have had undeniable & crucial 'fiscal relations' with this "False Messiah" (on record stating that Jesus "failed" in his divine mission, etc). There's also a photo some years back of Moon trying to encompass with his deific embrace the girth of one Rev. Falwell--both smiling. I called someone at the 700 Club & was blithely reminded that "it's so easy to fake a photo online" etc. You want to find out how squeamish born-agains are about Moon? Pose as one of their own--make a call with this suggestion--"As Christians shouldn't we return the devil's dirty seed money that Moon gave to the "Coalition for Religioius Freedom"...or is it OK with God to 'ignore the corrupted $ource'? Bearing in mind Moon's many public claims to obey and worship him as the New Messiah? This is low-hanging fruit, folks. You can't cash checks from a "Faux Messiah". Period.

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Moonstruck
Posted by: BlueTigress on Apr 18, 2006 12:39 PM   
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I had read this piece on another site and I came over to Alternet to see what you all had to say about it.

I, for one, am damned tired of the monotheistic religions deciding that women are intrisically evil and all we are good for is to be semi-aware brood mares.

Why are more women not tuning into this? Why do they support any religion that tells them because they are women they are not good enough? And I wonder why women's lib failed.

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Missionary positions?
Posted by: earthworm on Apr 18, 2006 12:52 PM   
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Hmmm...Maybe the Christians are associating with the Moonies because they want to "save" them.

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Moon is giving them something they want.
Posted by: Steve_in_NH on Apr 18, 2006 1:07 PM   
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There appears to be a large segment of humanity that is looking for easy answers. These people do not seem to want to make the effort to think about the great questions (Why am I here? What comes next?) so they find someone (Moon, Falwell, Koresh, the RNC, etc) who has all the answers. If you want to be told what to think, and someone is willing to tell you what to think, no matter how weird, life gets very easy. Moon fills the space in these peoples' live perfectly. He tells them they are evil, but if they do the correct rituals in the correct order they will be redeemed.

He's not that different from the preacher who baptizes a convict who is about to be executed for killing children. He performs a farcical ritual and pronounces them saved.

What I'd like to know is if he really believes what he preaches.

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Moon
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 18, 2006 4:25 PM   
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Hey, if "Rev" Moon's bottom gets cut off, what would we have to call him. I mean, he couldn't "moon" anyone then!

Oh, and can someone please make sure that he is cutting into his own tiny dick every day, just as he recommends to everyone else? Or is he perfect?

What a dick this guy is?! Why hasn't he been bricked into his house yet? Gotta love his theories - women should breed without measure. Oh yes! And the world is SO empty at the moment. I would love to see him starve to death one day because the world has run out of food and water due to his "teachings".

What IS it with religious nutters? Can't we just send them to the moon? (oops - there's a pun!)

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Mind Control, Moon Style
Posted by: Beverly on Apr 19, 2006 4:57 AM   
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Let's face it. We have thousands of individuals in this world who are "lost" and seeking acknowledgement for their existance. These insecure people "searching for recognition and fulfilment" are easy prey for these "controling groups" who use "religion as their bait".

Once, caught up in the web of these charisimatic controllers, you immediately lose your individuality and your ability to think for yourself. You're now in complete control of the leader and you will believe anything they tell you.

Just look at how many "ministers" have used the Bible to make themselves multimillionaires!! The majority of the population are seeking out a "higher power", but many fail to see that this can be done on their own by reading the Bible and inturpreting the words within their own home.

You do not need to pour out your wallet and savings account to someone to shout at you the words written in the Bible. Too many have fallen prey to these manipulators, while searching for a sense of belonging.

If you believe in Christ, then you'll know that He's there with you at all times and you do not have to be in a "church" or have a "schooled" minister pose their inturpretation of the words within the Bible.

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Moon sees dirty underwear as a sign of virtue
Posted by: Geni on Apr 19, 2006 11:22 AM   
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He has bragged about how he takes his undershorts back out of the laundry hamper where his wife has put them.

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You know what's really sick?
Posted by: philosopherintraining on Apr 19, 2006 2:45 PM   
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People believe this... mockery. It's beyond disgusting. He calls himself the Messiah, begins his own church, and dictates how people should be intimate?

It's too much.

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wtf
Posted by: jonathanw on Apr 19, 2006 9:40 PM   
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pour concrete in a woman's vigina? why should i take a pair of pliers to my _____? this man is clearly nuts, and if i was a woman i would find him and beat the **** out of him. this is one of the most offensive things i have ever read and nuts like this should not be allowed to speak

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im offended
Posted by: jonathanw on Apr 19, 2006 9:51 PM   
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i cant believe he has the nerve to call himself the messiah, my messiah doesnt tell people to wipe of their genitalia with a "holy handkerchief" after sex or say that wemen should have their sexual organs sealed with concrete

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Hell N'Back
Posted by: Roverton on Apr 20, 2006 9:31 AM   
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I love that one. Thanks.

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Proving Lerner's Point
Posted by: Jbuuty on Apr 20, 2006 8:28 PM   
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Gorenson's article proves Lerner's point. Moon is evil. There is no excuse for his influence. If Right-wing Christian leaders are taking money from Moon, they deserve to be exposed.

Gorenson, however, doesn't concentrate upon those guilty of the crimes, but instead wishes to rail against all who have relgious beliefs. This simple intolerance leads many away from the left. Until the left is ready to face this, it will remain small and inconsequential. While I'd love to see the left win major elections (not just Democrats, but the left), I don't believe it will happen. Too much arrogance, sort of like Bush, to admit any mistakes on their part.

Too bad! Some good leftists in government could possibly do some good in this country.

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loony-tunes
Posted by: Doubtom on Apr 21, 2006 10:11 AM   
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There is but one conclusion, Moon and his followers are insane!

So it is with all religions.

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Control, control, control!
Posted by: LPB on Apr 22, 2006 8:44 AM   
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The more I read about current religions in our American society, the more convinced I become that it's all about control. If a church can't control its followers' thoughts and behavior, it cannot maintain itself. The only way such control can be maintained is to convince people that they themselves are not worthy of controlling themselves and that they need directions from someone more Godly than themselves on how to live their lives. These directions cannot encourage self awareness in any true sense of the word, because the followers would realize that they already have a relationship with God (or whatever deity or universal force they believe in) and that the are already on their own spiritual path and then they might start deciding for themselves where they want that path to lead, and -- surprise! -- that decision might not be in accordance with the church leaders' needs and wishes.

But how sad it is that there are people who are so misguided and unhappy within themselves that they would actually embrace such teachings as these and believe they are doing the right thing to spread their poison and impose it on the rest of us.

I personally do not see a solution which will work, but it seems as if our society has entered a science-fiction-inspired state of being, like an old Star Trek episode. (Remember the one where the people were stuck in the Civil War era, only it was distorted. The Bill of Rights was a religious holy document, which only the religious leaders were allowed access to, and Kirk had to read it for them and explain the part about "We the People"?) We need James T. Kirk now, or somebody please tell Scotty to beam me up!

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I CAN'T BELIEVE I READ THE WHOLE THING !
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 22, 2006 12:18 PM   
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Somewhere people believe every word of this "Moon Sex Manual". If there are more than 2 or 3 we are in serious trouble. The reason it isn't called pornography is because it is presented under the guise of religion. That also keeps is under the Gonzales radar. Rev. Moon is a genius. That's why he gets to own a newspaper. That's why he's in the good old USA where we have a constitution that protects him. This would not be acceptable any where else in the world.

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mumblingrepublican
Posted by: mumblingrepublican on Apr 22, 2006 6:51 PM   
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How did we fail so miserably in teaching people to think for themselves...? I guess we just have to live in the "wasteland of the free" as Iris Dement calls it...

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Apr 22, 2006 9:36 PM   
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George Carlin calls christianity "the greatest bullshit story ever told." Think about it.

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Holy Handkerchiefs
Posted by: melistress on Apr 27, 2006 2:43 PM   
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Where was I when the holy handkerchief's were handed out?

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MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT AGAIN,LIKE THE WOMEN WHO CAUGHT HER HUSBAND CHEATING DID.
Posted by: nicole7 on May 26, 2006 11:45 AM   
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if he were a God he wouldnt treat anyone like this,there is only 1 GOD I AM/JESUS.......HE IS ABOUT LOVE ONLY,[JESUS]AND DONT BY THE STUFF FARWEL AND ROBERSON SPOUT EITHER,THEIR IN IT FOR THE MONEY,READ YOUR BIBLE,START WITH ISAIAH,THEN MATTHEW THEN REVELATION.....MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND THROW THIS DEMON INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE WITH SATAN

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hello moootow
Posted by: nicole7 on May 26, 2006 4:09 PM   
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hows your flapper

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