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Woodward-gate?

What did Bob Woodward know about the outing of Valerie Plame and when did he know it?
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Has Bob Woodward just become the Washington Post's Judy Miller?

It was bad enough when Woodward shifted in recent years from the tough, no-holds-barred investigative reporter of the Watergate era to his current incarnation as a best-selling author and soft courtier to the powerful.

Things got worse when he consistently withheld stories from the Post (where he is assistant managing editor) and information from his superiors that resulted in the newspaper being scooped -- most notably about the identity of Deep Throat.

Woodward's metamorphosis appeared to have reached its nadir last month when he appeared on the Larry King show to claim that the Plamegate scandal that has rocked the White House started "kind of as gossip, as chatter," and "there's a lot of innocent actions in all this." Woodward then went on to denounce special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald as a "junkyard dog" who "turns over rocks, and rocks under rocks."

Excuse me -- but isn't that precisely the job Fitzgerald was hired to do? Not according to Woodward, who believes "a really thoughtful prosecutor" would instead say, "maybe this is not one to go to the court with." Nevertheless, the day after Woodward's remarks, Fitzgerald announced the indictment of I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, for perjury, false statements, and obstruction.

Now comes the startling news that a senior Bush administration official told Woodward that Valerie Plame was a CIA operative about a month before her identity was made public. Other than to say it was not Libby, Woodward and other editors at the Post refuse to identify the official.

The revelation that a still-unnamed top White House official (not Karl Rove, according to Rove's spokesman) told Woodward about Plame well before Libby revealed her identity to Judy Miller came in the course of a two-hour deposition Woodward gave on Monday. Fitzgerald interviewed Woodward about the previously undisclosed conversation after the anonymous official contacted the special counsel a week after Libby was indicted.

Woodward's testimony obviously raises questions about Libby's indictment. "Will Mr. Fitzgerald now say he was wrong to say on TV that Scooter Libby was the first official to give this information to a reporter?" one of Libby's lawyers, William Jeffress Jr., asked the Post. "Why did Mr. Fitzgerald indict Mr. Libby before fully investigating what other reporters knew about Wilson's wife?"

As the Post's own article states, "Woodward and Post editors refused to disclose the official's name or provide crucial details about the testimony." Moreover, "Woodward did not share the information with Washington Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr. until last month, and the only Post reporter whom Woodward said he remembers telling in the summer of 2003 does not recall the conversation taking place."

As Post reporters Jim VandeHei and Carol D. Leonnig delicately reported, Executive Editor Downie "declined to say whether he was upset that Woodward withheld the information from him." Downie also told them "he could not explain why Woodward said he provided a tip about Wilson's wife to Walter Pincus, a Post reporter writing about the subject, but did not pursue the matter when the CIA leak investigation began." Downie added "Woodward has often worked under ground rules while doing research for his books that prevent him from naming sources or even using the information they provide until much later."

Further, although Woodward says "I told Walter Pincus, a reporter at The Post, without naming my source, that I understood Wilson's wife worked at the CIA as a WMD analyst," Pincus says he does not recall Woodward telling him that. In fact, Pincus "cannot imagine he would have forgotten such a conversation" around the same time he was writing about Wilson.

"Are you kidding?" Pincus told his own newspaper. "I certainly would have remembered that."

Shades of Little Miss Run Amok! Information too sensitive to share with editors ... co-workers who don't recall conversations you claim to have had with them ... Say it ain't so, Bob! Unfortunately it is so, and Woodward has apparently once again put his newspaper at risk for his own personal profit and aggrandizement. It's been evident for some time that his book-writing career conflicts with his reporting at the Washington Post, and it is well past time for Woodward to choose one or the other, instead of trying to have his cake and eat it too.

As Sydney Schanberg wrote recently in the Village Voice, "Critics in the press have suggested that Woodward is too close to some of his sources to provide readers with an undiluted picture of their activities.

"His remarks about the Fitzgerald investigation convey the attitude of a sometime insider reluctant to offend -- and that is hardly a definition of what a serious, independent reporter is supposed to be. It's a far piece from Watergate."

For example, as Woodward testified in his deposition, he discussed Iraq policy with Libby on June 27, 2003 as part of his research for yet another "insider's" book about the Bush administration. According to the Post, "He said he does not believe Libby said anything about Plame."

But Woodward also told Fitzgerald, based on an 18-page list of questions he planned to ask Libby, (which included the phrases "yellowcake" and "Joe Wilson's wife") that it "is possible he asked Libby about Plame or her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson." Woodward also said, however, that he "had no recollection" of mentioning the pair to Libby.

Let's recap, shall we? Woodward says he "does not believe" Libby said anything about Plame; he has "no recollection" of mentioning Plame or her husband to Libby; but it "is possible" that he asked Libby about both. And although he told Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie nothing, he says he did tell Post reporter Walter Pincus that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA as a WMD analyst. But Pincus says he recalls nothing of the sort.

Got that? Clear as mud, right?

This much at least is clear: Woodward's testimony changes key elements in the chronology Fitzgerald announced when indicting Libby; Woodward's unnamed official is now revealed to be the first government employee to disclose Plame's CIA employment to a reporter; and Woodward is that reporter ...

Woodward's previously undisclosed involvement in the Plamegate affair must also be viewed in light of his repeated public dismissals of its importance. The Larry King show was but the latest -- as Woodward told National Public Radio this summer, "When I think all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great."

Woodward declined to elaborate on the statement he released to The Post late yesterday afternoon and publicly last night, and would not answer any questions. That's too bad, because I have at least two: What did Bob Woodward know about the leak of Valerie Plame's secret identity?

And when did he know it?
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Raw Story says Hadley was his source
Posted by: ShaSpirit on Nov 17, 2005 12:59 AM   
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I know they are not always right either. I do not see how Libby's perjury, obstruction and lying to the Grand Jury charges depends on Libby being first one to talk to a reporter. You know this seems slimy and dirty to me. The crap he said about the case and Fitzgerald was uncalled for, when he knew he was involved. He is supposed to be this great truth finding reporter, who seems even worse than Judy Miller right now. She wrote a few story about WMD and he wrote 3 books about Bush. He did not want to have to testify as it would interrupt writing his book about the corrupt Bush and CO. What do you want to bet Bush is not the liar, cheater and war monger that he really is?

He had two sources according to the Post, one unnamed. He was this great guy in the 70s and now he is Bush shill. Did he take notes from Judy since the stories are a lot alike, as this article points out? The Post should show him the door, as they do not need him. I am sure this best selling author made enough money off Bush&CO friends and supporters to retire. Sad day, there are not any newspapers you can trust sometimes. But then they are all own by big corporations who are invested in the right slant on their stories. At least there not as bad as TV reporters, no matter what station the work for unless it is the BBC.

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shut the whole thing down
Posted by: rockpicker on Nov 17, 2005 2:01 AM   
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If you can't trust the newspapers to do their jobs, then don't buy the newspapers. Simple as that. Kill your television. Listen to what NPR does NOT cover. Squeeze the corporate media til they whince and beg to be forgiven. Write letters. Let them know what you're doing and why. Re-elect NO ONE! Cheer Cheney's imminent resignation. Impeach Bush. Tell Hilary and Joe Biden to sit the fuck down and shut the hell up! Ask Bernie Sanders to SPEAK! Give Patrick a big round of applause!

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Smoke & Mirrors
Posted by: navistic50 on Nov 17, 2005 3:10 AM   
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Bob Woodward is full of it.. another deception to try to wallow through. The Bush administration will go to any lengths to CYA.

I don't believe Mr. Woodward or his former associate Mr. Bernstein are being honest. I went through Watergate like many of our generation and came to appreicate and even revere the work they accomplished to expose former President Nixon and compamy.

This "admission" by Mr Woodward sure seems to come at a very fortunate time, at least fortunate to someone attempting to cloud the water and get their reflection angled right in the mirror.

I am throughly convinced now that Bush and Company are so corrupt that they touch everything within their realm with the belief of entitlement and the sense that they are above the law.


Sorry, Mr. Woodward, Watergate was bad enough, but this administration makes Watergate look like a walk in the park.
Since you have decided to align yourself with the Bush administration, and the use of your position to further assist a evil empire, you have failed the people and this country of ours. More so, you have failed yourself and have sold out.

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Ken Cohen
Posted by: kencohen on Nov 17, 2005 3:59 AM   
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I wonder why Mr. Woodward waited until after the Grand Jury was dismissed to divulge this information. One would think if he was so concerned about Mr Libby's innocence, Mr. Woodward could have stepped forward much sooner.

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Forget the rabble
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Nov 17, 2005 4:08 AM   
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Old Bob Woodward is a victim of his own success. He walks and talks to demigods now, forget the rabble, he’s a made man and above the law. Funny how integrity shrinks for many when their incomes soar.

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Time for Bob to be shown the door at the WAP
Posted by: jjjhein on Nov 17, 2005 4:59 AM   
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This man is no longer a journalist. He should do like his lookalike Judy Miller and retire from the newspaper he has shamed. It is hard to believe this is the same man who reported on the Nixon corruption. Just to show you what thirty years of hobnobbing with the politically powerful will do to rot your soul. Clearly he has been too close to the toxic cesspool of corruption that is Bush and Co.

Shame on you Bob !

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Woodward was an inspiration to me...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Nov 17, 2005 5:36 AM   
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I came of age when he was bringing down the Nixon cabal.

Went through J-school at a time when his work was considered the best-in-class.

Now I can only hope that my integrity is modeled after the Woodward of 30 years ago, not the sycophant weasel he's become today.

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No matter what,...
Posted by: hotar on Nov 17, 2005 5:53 AM   
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...Woodward's sudden forthrightness does nothing to mitigate Libby's crimes:

"[O]ne of Libby's lawyers, William Jeffress Jr., asked the Post. 'Why did Mr. Fitzgerald indict Mr. Libby before fully investigating what other reporters knew about Wilson's wife?'"

He indicted him because Mr. Libby lied to the grand jury, plain and simple. No amount of bullshit can obscure that fact.

The Woodward revelation is nothing more than a transparent attempt to cloud the issues, by an administration that is scared stiff about what Fitzgerald may pull out of the hat next. Go get 'em, Patrick!

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Tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-timing
Posted by: 42Years on Nov 17, 2005 6:24 AM   
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Another fine example that "power deceives and all governments lie."

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Cephalis
Posted by: cephalis on Nov 17, 2005 6:46 AM   
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In a television interview Woodward did some time back, regarding the deteriorated state of investigative reporting, he confessed that he had been co-opted by his closeness to the administration. He said he didn't believe that he was any longer an unbiased and conscientious searcher for facts, as he had been during the Watergate era. With such a statement from his own mouth, why is anyone surprised at his current behavior?

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The establishment.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Nov 17, 2005 7:19 AM   
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This is a case of a reformer being swallowed up by the establishment. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower cited as a threat to our form of government has become the military/corporate/industrial/media complex under the watchful eyes of both our political parties. This puts both parties squarely on the side of the establishment, and against the people. It is time that voters face the fact that the only time their vote has power is immediately before the election. Once your vote has been cast you have lost your power until immediately before the next election. In the meantime politicians work for the establishment that has the power to keep them in office. It is time that voters not put their faith in the political parties nor the candidates they nominate. Voters must decide which issue is most important to them and only support a candidate that comes down on their side of the issue. There are many issues and if each voter decides which is his most important issue both parties will have to take a stand on the issues most important to the majority of voters. I don't care which party or which candidate doesn't support my view I won't vote for them.
For more details of a non-partisan grass roots effort click on do it before 2006

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NOT TO WORRY
Posted by: krose on Nov 17, 2005 7:26 AM   
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FITZGERALD ALLOWED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS when he stated in his indictment of Libby that he was the "first KNOWN" administration official to give information to a reporter regarding the Plame case. This was spoken about with great detail on the WONDERFUL Keith Olbermann program last night. The charges of perjury, making false statements, and obstruction of justice are all charges which Woodward's interference cannot destroy. We now know, however, that Woodward is the sleaziest of the sleazy, and he, like all of his Right-Wing ilk will stop at nothing to achieve his own selfish aims, including the betrayal of his country!

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Marta
Posted by: cuja1 on Nov 17, 2005 8:31 AM   
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Iwonder how much pressure or money was given to Woodward to say he was the first to tell, in order to get Libby off the hook?

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It Makes No Difference
Posted by: bogey11 on Nov 17, 2005 8:50 AM   
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What Woodward has said and become will make no difference in Libby's case. Fitzgerald said "Libby was the first known source" not the "first source." None of it has anything to do with the charge itself, PERJURY. It is all nothing but nonsense, and has shown Woodward to be the coward that he has become. If Libby is counting on this "Woodward Bombshell," as his lawyer put it, to keep him out of prison, he had better start packing his toothbrush!

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woodward&bernstein
Posted by: colonist on Nov 17, 2005 9:44 AM   
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After seeing Woodward and Bernstein together recently on TV, it became obvious that Bernstein was the brains of the outfit. He and Woodward were in stark contrast on a lot of issues. I am not surprised at Woodward's actions.

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Woodward is highly spurious of being Embedded with Rove
Posted by: BlueFlorida on Nov 17, 2005 9:49 AM   
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I follow the news closely.
I use logic and common sense.
And here are my conclusions:

At a time when the White House is most secretive White House of all time, when journalist can't ask the hard questions, Woodward is given unrestricted access to all top government officials for his book about the Road to the Iraq War. The White House front page linked to the book, promoting sells of the book.

So do you really believe Woodward who was behind breaking open the Watergate Scandal is a crusader for the people, the man who is going take down corrupt government officials?

Or have you realized Woodward is still the same person he was; only you had the wrong impression about him the first time. He was an opportunist then, he's an opportunist now. He takes advantage of whatever angle furthers his career.

And the most damning proof Woodard is embedded with the White House propaganda machine?

He's the one who gives the "Slam Dunk" quote by George Tenant, and thus protect the President and his men from charges of deliberately lying to America. Using that quote, they can say that is was the intelligent that was at fault. The CIA was wrong.

Lies.

The CIA debunked the yellowcake from Niger myth over and over again. The weapons inspectors were right; there are no weapons of mass destruction. After invading, the first thing the military did was secure the oil fields. Only after 2 months of not bothering to look for the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and the pressure from the media and generals on the ground, did the military attempt the search for WMDs.

Why didn't they look for WMDs as soon as they landed, since that was the mission?

Because they, and the White House, already knew there was no WMDs.

They lied.

And Woodward is yet another Rove Whore.

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"Yeah, BOB, say it ain't so. . ."
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 17, 2005 10:21 AM   
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Maybe Bob Woodward, being so close to the seat of power (and when I say Bush administration, I really mean "seat"...), is being sent out as a red herring, reluctant Bush "superhero" "Captain Confusion," to muddy up the waters and defuse Fitzgerald's investigation. It certainly is suspicious that with all the bruhaha surrounding this case circulating in Washington FOR MONTHS, he waits until now to make his revelation. Yeah, right, Bob.

Man, have we ever wandered lost a long way from Watergate. . .and has its investigative wunderkind fallen so far from grace. . .

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3 simple words: Office of Naval Intelligence
Posted by: Che on Nov 17, 2005 11:12 AM   
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Woodward is O.N.I. from way back--a deep cover "made" National Security operative/asset, posing as a crusading journo. He was a briefer for the pentagon, for god's sake, prior to showing up at the Wash Post. He was paired with Bernstein, the true journo, to allow certain sectors of the elite to control the dismantling of the criminal Nixon administration without letting too much see the light of day. I smell a rat. Woodward is part of the coverup and effort to destroy Fitz's investigation.

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hello press
Posted by: saywhat? on Nov 17, 2005 2:10 PM   
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woodword's very cagey behavior leading up to this shows how irresponsible the mainstream media has been. the ties the news media has to corporate interests have made the reporters glam queens. i believe if americans were presented the truth we wouldn't be in this quagmire. the press is responsible for keeping otherwise smart people in the dark. now what to do with all the well off admirers of woodward on the ( dead) left?
i doubt the administration will get what they want from this. their constant lies of late will either drive us into a more extreme facist state, (right now they aren't the most popular boys on the block - except maybe jeff gannon), or bush will be impeached in 06. i move to impeach.

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Woodward may be an elitist, but...
Posted by: Rod in 83706 on Nov 17, 2005 5:21 PM   
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If Hadley (or Cheney) told Woodward that Plame was a CIA employee, then Hadley (or Cheney) violated the letter of the law. Woodward did nothing with that information, so he has done nothing wrong. No harm, no foul.

Whoever told Novak also violated the letter of the law, but it was Novak who violated the letter and the spirit of the law by blowing Plame's cover by publishing that fact in a newspaper for all to read (and some of those readers may theoretically have tried to harm Plame). Providing the information to Novak is the equivalent of gossiping. Novak, by publishing the information in the paper, caused some real harm. Novak is the villain, maybe the only villain in this whole episode. He belongs in jail, or under one.

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Bob Woodward's Secrets
Posted by: jane 2000 on Nov 17, 2005 7:48 PM   
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I started the first of Woodward's Bush books but could not finish it; it was bland and curiously incurious. Now I cannot remember the title. This latest development raises the question of the value of any future writings of his. He's not a very good writer. His strengths seemed to be reproducing dialogue and exposing shady characters. I can imagine all the books he's written in the past ten years will be consigned to the remaindered section until they are eventually thrown on the heap of history's rejects. He won't even be able to write convincing fiction. I watched that Larry King show, too, and could not for the life of me understand why he was on it. He had nothing but praise for this president's men. I doubt he's ashamed, but he should be. His "oeuvre" is worthless. His bad judgment renders him useless in his position on the Post.

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gdp
Posted by: gdp on Nov 17, 2005 11:56 PM   
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From his days of being a "double-wallet" guy, recruited right out of ROTC training in the 60's into Navy intelligence aboard the U.S.S. Wright (which carried CIA personnel); he still is temperamentally secretive and never "volunteers" information. One cannot trust what Woodward says as fact.

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Laura
Posted by: lasap on Nov 18, 2005 9:24 AM   
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Aamzing how in just a few years Woodward has changed. May I remind him that he was the one who "overturned rock under rock" to get to the Watergate scandal.....
Besides, I don't think it matters one way or another....IF Woodward knew before, he didn't out Plame....that's a very important matter on this subject.....
Libby outed her, and should be punished for it.

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Woodward's World
Posted by: sallysommer on Nov 18, 2005 3:15 PM   
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I believe Woodward lied to maintain his seat at the White House.

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Believeable Testimony?
Posted by: Jimi on Nov 19, 2005 12:32 AM   
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Its simple:

Woodward takes a hit for the team.

Woodward's story is thus:

It has to be before Libby said anything (backs up what Libby said, that it was common knowledge and scuttlebut). He has to have proof he was told (the Pinkus alibi). He can't have told his editors. Libby can't have said anything to him (Libby didn't use Woodward as an example of a reporter who knew), but maybe he said something to Libby! Otherwise, it seems fantastic he didn't bring it up with Libby at all.

Fantastic: thats a word that springs to mind when reading his testimony.

Gee, the Woodward's testimony doesn't sound concocted or anything.

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Woodward-Gate
Posted by: dagumpster on Nov 19, 2005 7:14 AM   
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When Woodward first came on the scene I thought he was blessed with luck and I also thought he was totally irresponsible. This latest about Woodward still shows him as irresponsible. I could never understand the popularity of Woodward other than he has great sources and confidence of his sources. With that said, he has always acted as if he above all others in the media and he can make his own rules. I have read some of his books (even bought a couple) and in his recent books he falls into the trap of sounding like his sources and not as a reporter. His writings always seemed chopped and is poor literature. It was hard to finish any of his books and some I didn't. When he criticized Fitzgerald earlier in this story now seems to be completely irresponsible as he had information that was crucial at the time. Now he is in a pickle because there has been someone indicted (Libby) and he will muddy the waters with convenient sayings of confusion as Libby will use in his defense. His comments about what he said to Pincus and the latter not recalling is just a beginning. The Post should release him and let him get picked up by Fox where he will fit right in.

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Raw Story says Hadley was his source
Posted by: ShaSpirit on Nov 17, 2005 12:59 AM   
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I know they are not always right either. I do not see how Libby's perjury, obstruction and lying to the Grand Jury charges depends on Libby being first one to talk to a reporter. You know this seems slimy and dirty to me. The crap he said about the case and Fitzgerald was uncalled for, when he knew he was involved. He is supposed to be this great truth finding reporter, who seems even worse than Judy Miller right now. She wrote a few story about WMD and he wrote 3 books about Bush. He did not want to have to testify as it would interrupt writing his book about the corrupt Bush and CO. What do you want to bet Bush is not the liar, cheater and war monger that he really is?

He had two sources according to the Post, one unnamed. He was this great guy in the 70s and now he is Bush shill. Did he take notes from Judy since the stories are a lot alike, as this article points out? The Post should show him the door, as they do not need him. I am sure this best selling author made enough money off Bush&CO friends and supporters to retire. Sad day, there are not any newspapers you can trust sometimes. But then they are all own by big corporations who are invested in the right slant on their stories. At least there not as bad as TV reporters, no matter what station the work for unless it is the BBC.

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shut the whole thing down
Posted by: rockpicker on Nov 17, 2005 2:01 AM   
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If you can't trust the newspapers to do their jobs, then don't buy the newspapers. Simple as that. Kill your television. Listen to what NPR does NOT cover. Squeeze the corporate media til they whince and beg to be forgiven. Write letters. Let them know what you're doing and why. Re-elect NO ONE! Cheer Cheney's imminent resignation. Impeach Bush. Tell Hilary and Joe Biden to sit the fuck down and shut the hell up! Ask Bernie Sanders to SPEAK! Give Patrick a big round of applause!

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Smoke & Mirrors
Posted by: navistic50 on Nov 17, 2005 3:10 AM   
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Bob Woodward is full of it.. another deception to try to wallow through. The Bush administration will go to any lengths to CYA.

I don't believe Mr. Woodward or his former associate Mr. Bernstein are being honest. I went through Watergate like many of our generation and came to appreicate and even revere the work they accomplished to expose former President Nixon and compamy.

This "admission" by Mr Woodward sure seems to come at a very fortunate time, at least fortunate to someone attempting to cloud the water and get their reflection angled right in the mirror.

I am throughly convinced now that Bush and Company are so corrupt that they touch everything within their realm with the belief of entitlement and the sense that they are above the law.


Sorry, Mr. Woodward, Watergate was bad enough, but this administration makes Watergate look like a walk in the park.
Since you have decided to align yourself with the Bush administration, and the use of your position to further assist a evil empire, you have failed the people and this country of ours. More so, you have failed yourself and have sold out.

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Ken Cohen
Posted by: kencohen on Nov 17, 2005 3:59 AM   
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I wonder why Mr. Woodward waited until after the Grand Jury was dismissed to divulge this information. One would think if he was so concerned about Mr Libby's innocence, Mr. Woodward could have stepped forward much sooner.

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Forget the rabble
Posted by: rabblerowzer on Nov 17, 2005 4:08 AM   
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Old Bob Woodward is a victim of his own success. He walks and talks to demigods now, forget the rabble, he’s a made man and above the law. Funny how integrity shrinks for many when their incomes soar.

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Time for Bob to be shown the door at the WAP
Posted by: jjjhein on Nov 17, 2005 4:59 AM   
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This man is no longer a journalist. He should do like his lookalike Judy Miller and retire from the newspaper he has shamed. It is hard to believe this is the same man who reported on the Nixon corruption. Just to show you what thirty years of hobnobbing with the politically powerful will do to rot your soul. Clearly he has been too close to the toxic cesspool of corruption that is Bush and Co.

Shame on you Bob !

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Woodward was an inspiration to me...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Nov 17, 2005 5:36 AM   
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I came of age when he was bringing down the Nixon cabal.

Went through J-school at a time when his work was considered the best-in-class.

Now I can only hope that my integrity is modeled after the Woodward of 30 years ago, not the sycophant weasel he's become today.

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No matter what,...
Posted by: hotar on Nov 17, 2005 5:53 AM   
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...Woodward's sudden forthrightness does nothing to mitigate Libby's crimes:

"[O]ne of Libby's lawyers, William Jeffress Jr., asked the Post. 'Why did Mr. Fitzgerald indict Mr. Libby before fully investigating what other reporters knew about Wilson's wife?'"

He indicted him because Mr. Libby lied to the grand jury, plain and simple. No amount of bullshit can obscure that fact.

The Woodward revelation is nothing more than a transparent attempt to cloud the issues, by an administration that is scared stiff about what Fitzgerald may pull out of the hat next. Go get 'em, Patrick!

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Tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-timing
Posted by: 42Years on Nov 17, 2005 6:24 AM   
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Another fine example that "power deceives and all governments lie."

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Cephalis
Posted by: cephalis on Nov 17, 2005 6:46 AM   
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In a television interview Woodward did some time back, regarding the deteriorated state of investigative reporting, he confessed that he had been co-opted by his closeness to the administration. He said he didn't believe that he was any longer an unbiased and conscientious searcher for facts, as he had been during the Watergate era. With such a statement from his own mouth, why is anyone surprised at his current behavior?

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The establishment.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Nov 17, 2005 7:19 AM   
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This is a case of a reformer being swallowed up by the establishment. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower cited as a threat to our form of government has become the military/corporate/industrial/media complex under the watchful eyes of both our political parties. This puts both parties squarely on the side of the establishment, and against the people. It is time that voters face the fact that the only time their vote has power is immediately before the election. Once your vote has been cast you have lost your power until immediately before the next election. In the meantime politicians work for the establishment that has the power to keep them in office. It is time that voters not put their faith in the political parties nor the candidates they nominate. Voters must decide which issue is most important to them and only support a candidate that comes down on their side of the issue. There are many issues and if each voter decides which is his most important issue both parties will have to take a stand on the issues most important to the majority of voters. I don't care which party or which candidate doesn't support my view I won't vote for them.
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NOT TO WORRY
Posted by: krose on Nov 17, 2005 7:26 AM   
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FITZGERALD ALLOWED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS when he stated in his indictment of Libby that he was the "first KNOWN" administration official to give information to a reporter regarding the Plame case. This was spoken about with great detail on the WONDERFUL Keith Olbermann program last night. The charges of perjury, making false statements, and obstruction of justice are all charges which Woodward's interference cannot destroy. We now know, however, that Woodward is the sleaziest of the sleazy, and he, like all of his Right-Wing ilk will stop at nothing to achieve his own selfish aims, including the betrayal of his country!

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Marta
Posted by: cuja1 on Nov 17, 2005 8:31 AM   
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Iwonder how much pressure or money was given to Woodward to say he was the first to tell, in order to get Libby off the hook?

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It Makes No Difference
Posted by: bogey11 on Nov 17, 2005 8:50 AM   
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What Woodward has said and become will make no difference in Libby's case. Fitzgerald said "Libby was the first known source" not the "first source." None of it has anything to do with the charge itself, PERJURY. It is all nothing but nonsense, and has shown Woodward to be the coward that he has become. If Libby is counting on this "Woodward Bombshell," as his lawyer put it, to keep him out of prison, he had better start packing his toothbrush!

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woodward&bernstein
Posted by: colonist on Nov 17, 2005 9:44 AM   
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After seeing Woodward and Bernstein together recently on TV, it became obvious that Bernstein was the brains of the outfit. He and Woodward were in stark contrast on a lot of issues. I am not surprised at Woodward's actions.

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Woodward is highly spurious of being Embedded with Rove
Posted by: BlueFlorida on Nov 17, 2005 9:49 AM   
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I follow the news closely.
I use logic and common sense.
And here are my conclusions:

At a time when the White House is most secretive White House of all time, when journalist can't ask the hard questions, Woodward is given unrestricted access to all top government officials for his book about the Road to the Iraq War. The White House front page linked to the book, promoting sells of the book.

So do you really believe Woodward who was behind breaking open the Watergate Scandal is a crusader for the people, the man who is going take down corrupt government officials?

Or have you realized Woodward is still the same person he was; only you had the wrong impression about him the first time. He was an opportunist then, he's an opportunist now. He takes advantage of whatever angle furthers his career.

And the most damning proof Woodard is embedded with the White House propaganda machine?

He's the one who gives the "Slam Dunk" quote by George Tenant, and thus protect the President and his men from charges of deliberately lying to America. Using that quote, they can say that is was the intelligent that was at fault. The CIA was wrong.

Lies.

The CIA debunked the yellowcake from Niger myth over and over again. The weapons inspectors were right; there are no weapons of mass destruction. After invading, the first thing the military did was secure the oil fields. Only after 2 months of not bothering to look for the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and the pressure from the media and generals on the ground, did the military attempt the search for WMDs.

Why didn't they look for WMDs as soon as they landed, since that was the mission?

Because they, and the White House, already knew there was no WMDs.

They lied.

And Woodward is yet another Rove Whore.

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"Yeah, BOB, say it ain't so. . ."
Posted by: monkeywrench on Nov 17, 2005 10:21 AM   
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Maybe Bob Woodward, being so close to the seat of power (and when I say Bush administration, I really mean "seat"...), is being sent out as a red herring, reluctant Bush "superhero" "Captain Confusion," to muddy up the waters and defuse Fitzgerald's investigation. It certainly is suspicious that with all the bruhaha surrounding this case circulating in Washington FOR MONTHS, he waits until now to make his revelation. Yeah, right, Bob.

Man, have we ever wandered lost a long way from Watergate. . .and has its investigative wunderkind fallen so far from grace. . .

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3 simple words: Office of Naval Intelligence
Posted by: Che on Nov 17, 2005 11:12 AM   
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Woodward is O.N.I. from way back--a deep cover "made" National Security operative/asset, posing as a crusading journo. He was a briefer for the pentagon, for god's sake, prior to showing up at the Wash Post. He was paired with Bernstein, the true journo, to allow certain sectors of the elite to control the dismantling of the criminal Nixon administration without letting too much see the light of day. I smell a rat. Woodward is part of the coverup and effort to destroy Fitz's investigation.

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hello press
Posted by: saywhat? on Nov 17, 2005 2:10 PM   
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woodword's very cagey behavior leading up to this shows how irresponsible the mainstream media has been. the ties the news media has to corporate interests have made the reporters glam queens. i believe if americans were presented the truth we wouldn't be in this quagmire. the press is responsible for keeping otherwise smart people in the dark. now what to do with all the well off admirers of woodward on the ( dead) left?
i doubt the administration will get what they want from this. their constant lies of late will either drive us into a more extreme facist state, (right now they aren't the most popular boys on the block - except maybe jeff gannon), or bush will be impeached in 06. i move to impeach.

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Woodward may be an elitist, but...
Posted by: Rod in 83706 on Nov 17, 2005 5:21 PM   
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If Hadley (or Cheney) told Woodward that Plame was a CIA employee, then Hadley (or Cheney) violated the letter of the law. Woodward did nothing with that information, so he has done nothing wrong. No harm, no foul.

Whoever told Novak also violated the letter of the law, but it was Novak who violated the letter and the spirit of the law by blowing Plame's cover by publishing that fact in a newspaper for all to read (and some of those readers may theoretically have tried to harm Plame). Providing the information to Novak is the equivalent of gossiping. Novak, by publishing the information in the paper, caused some real harm. Novak is the villain, maybe the only villain in this whole episode. He belongs in jail, or under one.

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Bob Woodward's Secrets
Posted by: jane 2000 on Nov 17, 2005 7:48 PM   
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I started the first of Woodward's Bush books but could not finish it; it was bland and curiously incurious. Now I cannot remember the title. This latest development raises the question of the value of any future writings of his. He's not a very good writer. His strengths seemed to be reproducing dialogue and exposing shady characters. I can imagine all the books he's written in the past ten years will be consigned to the remaindered section until they are eventually thrown on the heap of history's rejects. He won't even be able to write convincing fiction. I watched that Larry King show, too, and could not for the life of me understand why he was on it. He had nothing but praise for this president's men. I doubt he's ashamed, but he should be. His "oeuvre" is worthless. His bad judgment renders him useless in his position on the Post.

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gdp
Posted by: gdp on Nov 17, 2005 11:56 PM   
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From his days of being a "double-wallet" guy, recruited right out of ROTC training in the 60's into Navy intelligence aboard the U.S.S. Wright (which carried CIA personnel); he still is temperamentally secretive and never "volunteers" information. One cannot trust what Woodward says as fact.

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Laura
Posted by: lasap on Nov 18, 2005 9:24 AM   
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Aamzing how in just a few years Woodward has changed. May I remind him that he was the one who "overturned rock under rock" to get to the Watergate scandal.....
Besides, I don't think it matters one way or another....IF Woodward knew before, he didn't out Plame....that's a very important matter on this subject.....
Libby outed her, and should be punished for it.

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Woodward's World
Posted by: sallysommer on Nov 18, 2005 3:15 PM   
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I believe Woodward lied to maintain his seat at the White House.

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Believeable Testimony?
Posted by: Jimi on Nov 19, 2005 12:32 AM   
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Its simple:

Woodward takes a hit for the team.

Woodward's story is thus:

It has to be before Libby said anything (backs up what Libby said, that it was common knowledge and scuttlebut). He has to have proof he was told (the Pinkus alibi). He can't have told his editors. Libby can't have said anything to him (Libby didn't use Woodward as an example of a reporter who knew), but maybe he said something to Libby! Otherwise, it seems fantastic he didn't bring it up with Libby at all.

Fantastic: thats a word that springs to mind when reading his testimony.

Gee, the Woodward's testimony doesn't sound concocted or anything.

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Woodward-Gate
Posted by: dagumpster on Nov 19, 2005 7:14 AM   
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When Woodward first came on the scene I thought he was blessed with luck and I also thought he was totally irresponsible. This latest about Woodward still shows him as irresponsible. I could never understand the popularity of Woodward other than he has great sources and confidence of his sources. With that said, he has always acted as if he above all others in the media and he can make his own rules. I have read some of his books (even bought a couple) and in his recent books he falls into the trap of sounding like his sources and not as a reporter. His writings always seemed chopped and is poor literature. It was hard to finish any of his books and some I didn't. When he criticized Fitzgerald earlier in this story now seems to be completely irresponsible as he had information that was crucial at the time. Now he is in a pickle because there has been someone indicted (Libby) and he will muddy the waters with convenient sayings of confusion as Libby will use in his defense. His comments about what he said to Pincus and the latter not recalling is just a beginning. The Post should release him and let him get picked up by Fox where he will fit right in.

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