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The Top Nine Plamegate Lies

As the possibility of high-level indictments increases, the misinformation battle intensifies; get the truth behind the major falsehoods.
October 25, 2005  |  
 
 
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As U.S. attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald's two-year investigation into the CIA leak case reportedly draws to a close, the long-standing debate over the origins of the scandal, the merits of the federal investigation, and the legal authority of the prosecutor has intensified greatly. At issue is the disclosure to the press of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame, which first appeared in syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak's July 14, 2003, column. Bush administration officials allegedly leaked her identity in order to discredit her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, a vocal critic of the White House's decision to go to war with Iraq.

In this rhetorical environment characterized by limited information and boundless speculation, those defending the officials at the center of Fitzgerald's probe have advanced numerous falsehoods and distortions. As Media Matters for America documents below, the media have not only failed to challenge many of these claims, but also repeated them.

Falsehood: It is legally significant whether the leakers disclosed Plame's name in their conversations with reporters

Shortly after Newsweek published an email by Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper to Time Washington bureau chief Mike Duffy saying that, according to White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, "Wilson's wife" worked at the CIA, Rove's lawyer responded by noting that his client had not stated her actual name. Several news outlets went on to report Rove's response as if his reported omission of Plame's name was relevant to whether he violated the law. Simultaneously, commentators such as former presidential adviser David Gergen and Washington Times chief political correspondent Donald Lambro, as well as the Republican National Committee (RNC), began to advance the argument that because Rove didn't specifically name her, he did not reveal her identity.

But whether leakers identified Plame as "Valerie Plame," "Valerie Wilson," or "Wilson's wife" is irrelevant, both as a practical matter and likely as a legal matter. Practically speaking, a quick Google search of Joseph Wilson at the time would have produced Plame's actual name. As such, administration defenders have declared that whether her name was mentioned to reporters likely has no bearing on whether there was a violation of the law. Despite having previously implied that there is a meaningful distinction between disclosing her name and her identity before, Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, later conceded that drawing such a line was "too legalistic." Similarly, Victoria Toensing, the Republican lawyer who helped draft the potentially applicable 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA), agreed that the use of her name is "not an important part of whether this is a crime or not."

Nonetheless, numerous media figures recently revived this claim in the wake of New York Times reporter Judith Miller's revelation that the source who told her that Plame worked at the CIA, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, also never disclosed her actual name.

Falsehood: Wilson said that Cheney sent him to Niger

An RNC talking points memo made public on July 12 accused Wilson of falsely claiming "that it was Vice President Cheney who sent him to Niger." The allegation that Wilson had lied about the genesis of his trip was soon repeated by RNC chairman Ken Mehlman, who argued that this fact justified the purported leaking of Plame's identity to the press and that the White House had simply been attempting to set the record straight.

New York Times columnist David Brooks made this argument at least twice (here and here). And a string of journalists and commentators -- including CNN's Dana Bash, the Washington Post's Mike Allen, Newsweek's Jon Meacham, and U.S. News and World Report's Michael Barone -- parroted the allegation during news reports and media appearances in the following weeks. NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell recently repeated the claim as a guest on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews.

But Wilson never said that Cheney sent him to Niger. To support this accusation, the RNC had misrepresented his July 6, 2003, op-ed in the New York Times and distorted a remark he made in an August 3, 2003, interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer. Contrary to their allegation, Wilson clearly stated in the op-ed that "agency officials" had requested he travel to Niger. Further, in the CNN appearance, he stated it was "absolutely true" that Cheney was unaware he went on the trip.

Falsehood: Plame suggested Wilson for the trip to Niger

In their ongoing attempts to justify the alleged leaks, Mehlman and other supporters claimed that the White House had a legitimate interest in setting the record straight by disclosing that Plame, not Cheney, was actually responsible for Wilson being sent to Niger. In a January 2005 Washington Post op-ed, attorneys Victoria Toensing -- a friend of Novak -- and Bruce W. Sanford framed the leak in such a light and suggested that Novak outed Plame because he wanted to "expose wrongdoing" -- i.e., the alleged nepotism that led to Wilson's assignment. Numerous reporters subsequently repeated that Plame suggested Wilson for the trip, including the Washington Post's Jim VandeHei, MSNBC host Chris Matthews, and, most recently, MSNBC correspondent David Shuster.

But what these reporters stated as fact is actually in dispute. Unnamed intelligence officials have been quoted in the media claiming that the CIA -- not Plame -- selected Wilson for the mission. Also, CIA officials have disputed the accuracy of a State Department intelligence memo that reportedly indicates that Plame "suggested" Wilson's name for the trip. Novak himself claimed that the Senate Intelligence Committee, in its 2004 "Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq," concluded that Plame suggested the trip. In fact, the committee did not officially conclude that she had been responsible for Wilson's assignment.

Falsehood: Wilson was not qualified to investigate the Niger claims

In conjunction with the claim that nepotism led to the selection of Wilson for the trip to Niger, several conservative media figures have attempted to cast the former ambassador as unqualified to investigate the claims that Iraq attempted to purchase uranium yellowcake form the African country. Toensing has repeatedly claimed that he lacked "any experience in WMD" and "any kind of senior experience in that country." National Review Washington editor Kate O'Beirne has described Wilson as "no expert in weapons of mass destruction." But Wilson possessed extensive diplomatic experience, had specialized in Africa during most of his career, and had taken a similar trip to Niger in 1999 to investigate possible purchases by Iran.

Falsehood: Plame's CIA employment was widely known

In an apparent effort to undermine the possibility that the alleged White House leakers committed a crime, both the Washington Times editorial page and right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh have argued that Plame's identity was known by many in Washington, D.C., at the time Novak published his column outing her as "an agency operative." As support for this argument, the Times claimed that "numerous neighbors were aware that she worked for the agency."

In fact, none of the neighbors cited in the Washington Times' own news reports or in other reports said that they knew before reading the Novak column that Plame worked at the CIA. Her acquaintances told reporters that they believed she worked as a private "consultant."

Falsehood: Fitzgerald must prove that Plame's covert status was leaked

Recent reports from a number of news outlets have attributed legal significance to whether Rove and Libby leaked Plame's covert status to the press. But as with the issue of whether Plame's actual name was leaked, whether the officials communicated her status as a covert operative is likely not relevant to the question of whether their actions violated federal law. According to news reports, a 2003 State Department memo -- which was likely read by top administration officials during a trip to Africa -- designated as "S" for "secret" a section mentioning Plame, even though it did not mention her covert status. Therefore, the information allegedly disclosed by Rove and Libby -- that she worked at the CIA -- was apparently classified.

Falsehood: Fitzgerald's investigation was originally limited to possible violation of 1982 law

Conservative commentators have reacted to reports that Fitzgerald is looking at a variety of legal approaches to the CIA leak investigation by characterizing him as a "runaway prosecutor" or a Captain Ahab "chasing a white whale." The argument put forth by Toensing, as well as columnists Richard Cohen and George F. Will is that, in pursuing such charges, the special prosecutor is overstepping his mandate. The claim underlying this argument is that the Department of Justice (DOJ) originally granted him authority to investigate whether the alleged leakers had violated the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA).

But the DOJ's delegation of Fitzgerald as special prosecutor gave him broad authority to investigate the leaks; it made no mention of the IIPA, nor did it name any other specific statute. The DOJ official who appointed Fitzgerald as special prosecutor, then-deputy attorney general James Comey, stated in a December 30, 2003, press conference that "Mr. Fitzgerald alone will decide ... what prosecutive [sic] decisions to make" and that "he can pursue it [the leak investigation] wherever he wants to pursue it." In a February 6, 2004, letter to Fitzgerald, Comey further clarified that his delegation included the "authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal crime laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses."

Despite the lack of evidence that the DOJ limited the scope of Fitzgerald's investigation in any way, two recent New York Times articles (here and here) reported that he was appointed to investigate "whether government officials had violated a 1982 law that makes it a crime in some circumstances to disclose the identity of an undercover agent."

Similar to this baseless claim is Weekly Standard editor William Kristol's recent assertion that the CIA referred the case to the DOJ specifically as a possible violation of the IIPA. But the initial news reports on the referral indicate that the CIA more generally requested that the DOJ "investigate allegations that the White House broke federal laws by revealing the identity of one of its undercover employees." Moreover, a "former government official" quoted in Newsweek stated that the CIA's referral never even mentioned the IIPA.

Falsehood: Leak investigation is the result of partisan motivations

Conservative commentators have made what appear to be preemptive accusations that Fitzgerald is a partisan. Numerous Fox News personalities -- including Chris Wallace, Sean Hannity, Stuart Varney, and Bill O'Reilly -- have stated that his probe represents the "criminalization of politics." William Kristol penned a Weekly Standard editorial on the topic titled "Criminalizing Conservatives." On the October 19 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, nationally syndicated radio host Mike Gallagher claimed that this investigation -- like the recent indictment of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) on money laundering charges -- "is driven by partisan politics."

But Fitzgerald is no Democratic partisan. In September 2001, President Bush appointed Fitzgerald to his current post as U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois upon the recommendation of then-Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL). When then-deputy attorney general James Comey selected Fitzgerald as special prosecutor in December 2003, he cited his "sterling reputation for integrity and impartiality" and described him as "an absolutely apolitical career prosecutor." And in a recent interview on NBC's Today, President Bush described the prosecutor's investigation as "dignified." Moreover, in his capacity as U.S. attorney, Fitzgerald is also currently conducting an "intense" investigation of the Democratic mayor of Chicago, Richard M. Daley, and his administration.

Despite Fitzgerald's background, Limbaugh suggested on the October 20 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show that if the outcome of the CIA leak investigation is "over the top," he and other conservatives may target the prosecutor:
LIMBAUGH: [W]e're going to be watching ... very carefully here to see what Fitzgerald does, the special prosecutor here. If he conducts himself in a way that we find over the top, we'll say so. You can count on it. Now, you liberals, you viciously attacked [former independent counsel] Ken Starr. You went out there and tried to portray him as a sexual pervert, a voyeur. You did everything you could to destroy Ken Starr's reputation and his life, and now you demand that we accept whatever comes down the pike that we must be consistent. Well, it depends on what it is. If it stinks, I will say so. Pure and simple.

Falsehood: Leaks go on all the time in Washington

In defense of the Bush administration officials alleged to have disclosed Plame's CIA identity, numerous media figures have attempted to downplay the alleged leak as par for the course in Washington. Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen claimed that such leaking is "what Washington does day in and day out" and that it "is rarely considered a crime." On the October 20 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, Republican strategist Ed Rollins stated, "We know for sure that a couple of very high-ranking White House guys talked to some reporters and basically tried to go out and diminish someone who was criticizing them. I mean, that goes on every single day in the White House."

But Cohen and Rollins glossed over the fact that this leak allegedly involved the identity of a CIA operative -- potentially a crime -- although Cohen subsequently issued a "clarification" in which, responding to readers, he wrote that he does consider "the outing of a covert employee a serious matter." Former President George H.W. Bush expressed his view of such actions during an April 26, 1999, speech at the dedication of the CIA's George Bush Center for Intelligence. He stated: "I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
Josh Kalven is a member of the Research Department at Media Matters for America.
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Anonymous
Posted by: Bedingo on Oct 25, 2005 3:32 AM   
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The tenth falsehood is that lying under oath (perjury) is a "technicality" according to Sen. Hutchinson

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It's Over!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 25, 2005 3:41 AM   
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Patrick Fitzgerald wouldn't have spent all this time on this investigation if he didn't have a whole lot to investigate. Remember it was only slightly over two years from the break-in at the Watergate Hotel in 1972 to the moment Nixon resigned in disgrace. How far up this will go is hard to say but I have no doubt that Bush was involved in a very big way. I've been saying for slightly over four years that he will be remembered in history, primarily, as the first and (let us pray) last former chief executive to go to federal prison. I am as sure of that as I am my own name.

It really is a beautiful thing watching this disgraceful administration unravel before our very eyes. And now even Liddy, er, Libby and Cheney are starting to turn on each other! I LOVE IT!! I mean, let's face it, folks: This is the gift that just keeps giving - politcal theater at it's very best!

And now the GOP talking heads are invading the Sunday talk shows with the same talking points - no doubt from Rove's embattled office - telling the American people (with straight faces, no less) that no one should be indicted on a mere technicality. Do these deplorable people remember 1998 when they tried to remove a president from office for lying about having a harmless fling with a half-witted intern?

This is too good to be true. Schadenfruede? It's not shameful to be happy when perfectly despicable people exposed and punished for their deeds. What is shameful is the fact that so many people in this country were stupid enough to send so obviously unqualified a man to the White House to begin with. Couldn't they see that the guy had the IQ of a half-eaten box of Milk Duds?

This is a political junkie's dream.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Perjury
Posted by: paulaH on Oct 25, 2005 4:35 AM   
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I could not believe the audacity of the Repugnicans when I heard that comment about "perjury technicality". Funny, they didn't think it was a technicality when they were screaming to impeach Clinton on that very same technicality. All I ever read and heard during that time was, "it isn't about the sex, it's about the fact that he LIED under oath. If he'll lie about that under oath, what is he lying about to the American people?" That was the justification for trying to bring down a sitting President because he had sex. And they used that technicality because after several years of investigation and trying to get Clinton on something, anything, they finally settled on that because that WAS ALL THEY HAD TO GO ON.

For the people who claim Clinton was immoral, I want to ask them to, please, point out to me where in the Ten Commandments they're so adamant about displaying everywhere does it say, "thou shalt not have sex"? Sure, it says not to covet the neighbor's wife, but Monica was unmarried, was she not? On the other hand, "thou shalt not kill" figures rather prominently and Bush and Cheney and the whole lot's lies--and perjury technicalities--have killed a great number of people. Who's immoral here?

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over
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Oct 25, 2005 4:38 AM   
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And as we post ,the soldiers die,children are maimed for life,waters rise,the air we breath gets worse,......and thats okay .Suppose to be that way ....cause JESUS is coming back ! hallalua. THATS the problem folks. This country believes in Myths ,Legends,and Fairytails. When you believe in that ,..shucks anything is possible. Cause folks just love a leader that is one of them. You know ,Godfearing,compasionate.....

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Karl Rove's Blowback
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Oct 25, 2005 5:17 AM   
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As a political observer over the last 45 years, I have witnessed some nefarious dirty tricks by political operatives who put winning over integrity, principles and decency. Karl Rove wins the gold medal for dirty tricks.

All political campaigns involve some dirty tricks. Kennedy benefitted from organized crime when the mob in Chicago pulled the vote in Cook County and Major Daily, who allegedly has double vision when counting ballots (I know that he does not actually count them himself), guaranteed Kennedy a victory in Cook County.

When President Johnson won a Senate Seat for the first time, there were strong evidence suggesting that the counting of ballots was not very accurate. Then there's Richard Nixon. Enough said. As a former political operative myself I am well aware of the temptation to win at any costs.

Karl Rove is in a class by himself. In a State Election for Governor, he falsely exposed his candidate's opponent as being gay at the last minute. The swift boat ads were a vicious attack on the character of a veteran who valiently fought for his country in the Vietnam war while Rove's own candidate not only used his father's connections to jump the queue for the Texas National Guard during the same war, but also disappeared for a year during his service.

Outing an undercover CIA agent goes beyond political dirty tricks into the realm of criminal offenses. Not only did he risk the life of Valerie Plame but by naming the undercover organization, he risked the lives of anyone who ever worked there.

It seems that Mr. Rove committed one too many dirty tricks. If the Fitzgerald investigation ends his political career, political campaigning will have been purged of a malicious cancer.

AUTHOR OF "LYING FOR EMPIRE: HOW TO WIN WAR CRIMES WITH A STRAIGHT FACE"

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Criminalizing Conservatives
Posted by: feduphoosier on Oct 25, 2005 5:36 AM   
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'Criminalizing Conservatives'... now that one always makes me laugh.

Looking back at the Nixon/Watergate era, then the Reagan era Iran/Contra scandal... and now witnessing the unveiling of the Bush/Cheney Plame scandal (among others you know are coming), all I can say is - gosh - conservatives seem downright determined to 'criminalize' themselves just about every chance they get. They sure do not appear to need any help.

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amazedagain
Posted by: amazed again on Oct 25, 2005 5:37 AM   
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I watch in wonder as your News Media in USA try to back stab legal officers who are doing the job they were given by your President. My thoughts are what are they the Media trying to hide? Are they also on shaky ground? or are they trying to change the outcome for the American people. It was always my contention that the Media was to report the facts and not color the news to suit their own agenda. Now I believe Media are out to support their own Political Party. So what do they get out of it? they are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. Perhaps news moguls should be very careful how they tread, their hip pocket might weigh a little lighter or perhaps they should have their toys [their news papers] taken away from them.

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resada
Posted by: resada on Oct 25, 2005 8:35 AM   
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I think its funny that the tactics that the Republicans thought were fair and right when applied to Clinton[after all, he lied under oath about having SEX!} are so "criminalizing and partisan" when applied to themselves. They seem to have conveniently forgotten that they tried to crucify Clinton on much weaker charges. And charges that had the potential to do far less damage to the nation than the things the Republicans are accused of[money laundering, illegal use of federal funds, breaches of national security, torture of captives]

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ITS THE ARROGANCE STUPID
Posted by: krose on Oct 25, 2005 8:49 AM   
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It is always the arrogance that gets them in the end! You would think they would have been more careful in carrying out their nefarious deeds! They saw Nixon and his cronies go down. They saw Reagon's bunch get caught. But the problem with arrogance is that, when one is consumed with it, one doesn't believe one has it. One thinks one is just "SO SPECIAL!" "I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT!" "THE LAWS DON'T APPLY TO ME!" "I'M DIFFERENT!" Oh well, I guess you are no different than the rest of us, neocon Bush Bunch, & CO. (ITS THE ARRROGANCE STUPID!)

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Plame's Covert Status
Posted by: wobblies on Oct 25, 2005 9:32 AM   
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Hi~
Regarding Plame's covert status, hasn't one blown her status if one informs the public that a person works for the CIA when that person is working under cover. It keeps being asserted that one must not only assert that an agent is in the CIA but also that she is under cover for a crime to have been committed. One's cover is, by definition, blown if it is revealed that the person works for the CIA.

God Speed,
David

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Spinning Out of Control
Posted by: jobie1kno on Oct 25, 2005 10:18 AM   
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The White House would not be in the position they are in, if they hadn't been pulverizing the pupulation for four years, with their spin. Imagine if they hadn't used these corrupt news people to relay their messages to us. The dots are now connected simply because the dots (lies) were all put out there by this administration, to fool us all.They couldn't mould 'popular opinion' without spinning the facts, and now each of those communications are the firm proof of the White House's illegal actions. Nice.

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US PERSON
Posted by: US Person on Oct 25, 2005 11:05 AM   
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Oh, what a tangled web it is, when first we practice to deceive!

My apologies to the poet who wrote this line since I probably have quoted it inaccurately--but you get the idea

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TennBlue
Posted by: TennBlue on Oct 25, 2005 11:22 AM   
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I don't recall hearing allegations of partisanship when this investigation began. Now that it seems a real possibility that Fitzgerald has uncovered crimes and will issue indictments, he is suddenly branded "partisan." Limbaugh and O'Reilly, accomplished and proven liars, will now work overtime to paint Fitzgerald as a politically motivated witch hunter. I'm not surprised. After all, conservative pundits in general, and those two in particular, have staked their reputations on setting up Bush and his administration as paragons of Christian morality, out to save America from the immoral and criminal liberals. I've finally discovered what the Conservative Christian Right is really all about. A crime is a crime only if a liberal commits it, and a commandment is a commandment only if a liberal breaks it.

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Blogs Of War
Posted by: cstriker on Oct 25, 2005 12:32 PM   
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Anyone here seen Blogs of War? I have yet to look it over, but a friend of mine was telling me about it months ago. He indicated that since Plame was outed that the Israelis have been able to get their hands on loose nukes from Russia. He thinks that much of this ties back to WWII and the Jews saying they would never let anti-Semitics take them down again.

He is a serious conspiracy type person, but much of what he has said about the Plame deal has come out as truth. This really scares the doodie out of me. If any of his other theories about the rise of anti-Semitism and the Israelis getting their hands on nukes are true we are in serious trouble.

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Thanks for the great summation of the falsehoods...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 25, 2005 1:49 PM   
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How bizarre have things gotten when the smear machine gears up to push back on the indictments that were necessitated by the smear machine's prior activities?

It a vindictive circle I tell you!

New on EWM: White House Sets Job Fair

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Grace
Posted by: Gracie_fr on Oct 25, 2005 2:00 PM   
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Newspapers are good enough for reporting about one third of the facts most of the time. But then it is advisable to check on viable reporting done by well heeled vetrans...like Pilger or Robert Fisk when it come to facts on the ground in the Middle East. As for good American reporting, there is some. Most of the information that appears in the New York Review of Books is very good and informative..The New Yorker has been steadily excellent i.e.George Packer (The recent Assassins Gate) Jane Mayer, John Lee Anderson and of course Seymour Hersh. Harpers has been an outspoken part of the opposition since the 2000 election(slugginger editorials by Lewis Lapham)....and of course The Nation Magazine!!!.... All is NOT lost!!

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mike
Posted by: lastmarx on Oct 25, 2005 2:36 PM   
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Wilson on Cheney "sending" Wilson: Cheney ordered his staff to get info on the Niger story from the CIA-that's what inspired the CIA (not Cheney himself) to send him.

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SHOWS OUR SYSTEM WORKS? OR IS BROKEN?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 25, 2005 3:55 PM   
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Two years later means we've been stuck with BushII since then. He's done everything he can to drag the US deeper in the muck. It's like Chicago living with Capone murdering honest politicans until caught on an income tax rap.

Sorry. Something's broken. The issue is whether it can be fixed, and even impeachment of Bush would not fix it.

The US has sunk to its lowest depths since the chaos of the Civil War. It will take at least a couple of generations without wars and with politicans who take public service seriously and with citizens who realize that we are all in this together to get our hands clean again.

What a pity! What a shame! Democracy doesn't lie. The whole world can see our dirty laundry.

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justthe facts
Posted by: justthefacts on Oct 30, 2005 8:22 PM   
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With all the continued inference that Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, or whoever was behind the disclosure of Valerie Plames's affiliation with the CIA, the hard fact is the after a two year investigation costing I'm sure several million dollars, a very highly respected prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald (great job in Chicago) has come up with nothing more than a charge against a staff member of inconsistencies in his testimony regarding conversations with reporters. There is no charge that Libby leaked the Plame data - no indictment - nothing.
There is no charge against anyone for leaking the Plame connection. Do I think the investigation was valid? Yes. But if this is the best that can be arrived at under a class prosecutor, my question, if any of you remember Clara Peller, is, "where's the beef"? Answer, there really isn't any.
But if Rove, Cheney, Bush, whoever was shown through this process to have been responsible, my response would be, let the chips fall where they may. That said, you have to ask yourself this. The Administration made it clear from day one that if asked, any member of the administration should provide testimony to the FBI. No foot dragging, no appeals to the Circuit Court. And if asked to testify before the grand jury, they should do so promptly - no legal challenges, etc. And as far as I know, Fitzgerald was given free access to any records he requested, EMails whatever, without ever issuing a subpeona. Of Course, no investigation involving the Clinton Administration as far as I know was without a flurry of subpeonas. The American way. No blanket indictment of the Clinton Administration.
But you have to ask yourself this. If Bush, Cheney and Rove were at the heart of this - they did it, guilty as hell - why would they give the prosecutor an open road and an open book to hang them? If guilty, why wouldn't they play the "deny, deny, deny" card, the "appeal, appeal, appeal" card. Got an answer?

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Amazed
Posted by: amazed on Oct 31, 2005 6:05 AM   
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How dare Robert Novack, Sean Hannnity, Rush Limbaugh and the like decide that outing a CIA agent is okay. It's a crime guys. The law doesn't specific only covert agents it simply identfies CIA agents. And who are these hacks to decide their outing didn't endanger her lives or the lives of others. All they do is collect their talking points each day from the White House. They have sold their souls.

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Anonymous
Posted by: Bedingo on Oct 25, 2005 3:32 AM   
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The tenth falsehood is that lying under oath (perjury) is a "technicality" according to Sen. Hutchinson

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It's Over!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 25, 2005 3:41 AM   
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Patrick Fitzgerald wouldn't have spent all this time on this investigation if he didn't have a whole lot to investigate. Remember it was only slightly over two years from the break-in at the Watergate Hotel in 1972 to the moment Nixon resigned in disgrace. How far up this will go is hard to say but I have no doubt that Bush was involved in a very big way. I've been saying for slightly over four years that he will be remembered in history, primarily, as the first and (let us pray) last former chief executive to go to federal prison. I am as sure of that as I am my own name.

It really is a beautiful thing watching this disgraceful administration unravel before our very eyes. And now even Liddy, er, Libby and Cheney are starting to turn on each other! I LOVE IT!! I mean, let's face it, folks: This is the gift that just keeps giving - politcal theater at it's very best!

And now the GOP talking heads are invading the Sunday talk shows with the same talking points - no doubt from Rove's embattled office - telling the American people (with straight faces, no less) that no one should be indicted on a mere technicality. Do these deplorable people remember 1998 when they tried to remove a president from office for lying about having a harmless fling with a half-witted intern?

This is too good to be true. Schadenfruede? It's not shameful to be happy when perfectly despicable people exposed and punished for their deeds. What is shameful is the fact that so many people in this country were stupid enough to send so obviously unqualified a man to the White House to begin with. Couldn't they see that the guy had the IQ of a half-eaten box of Milk Duds?

This is a political junkie's dream.

Tom Degan
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Perjury
Posted by: paulaH on Oct 25, 2005 4:35 AM   
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I could not believe the audacity of the Repugnicans when I heard that comment about "perjury technicality". Funny, they didn't think it was a technicality when they were screaming to impeach Clinton on that very same technicality. All I ever read and heard during that time was, "it isn't about the sex, it's about the fact that he LIED under oath. If he'll lie about that under oath, what is he lying about to the American people?" That was the justification for trying to bring down a sitting President because he had sex. And they used that technicality because after several years of investigation and trying to get Clinton on something, anything, they finally settled on that because that WAS ALL THEY HAD TO GO ON.

For the people who claim Clinton was immoral, I want to ask them to, please, point out to me where in the Ten Commandments they're so adamant about displaying everywhere does it say, "thou shalt not have sex"? Sure, it says not to covet the neighbor's wife, but Monica was unmarried, was she not? On the other hand, "thou shalt not kill" figures rather prominently and Bush and Cheney and the whole lot's lies--and perjury technicalities--have killed a great number of people. Who's immoral here?

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over
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Oct 25, 2005 4:38 AM   
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And as we post ,the soldiers die,children are maimed for life,waters rise,the air we breath gets worse,......and thats okay .Suppose to be that way ....cause JESUS is coming back ! hallalua. THATS the problem folks. This country believes in Myths ,Legends,and Fairytails. When you believe in that ,..shucks anything is possible. Cause folks just love a leader that is one of them. You know ,Godfearing,compasionate.....

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Karl Rove's Blowback
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Oct 25, 2005 5:17 AM   
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As a political observer over the last 45 years, I have witnessed some nefarious dirty tricks by political operatives who put winning over integrity, principles and decency. Karl Rove wins the gold medal for dirty tricks.

All political campaigns involve some dirty tricks. Kennedy benefitted from organized crime when the mob in Chicago pulled the vote in Cook County and Major Daily, who allegedly has double vision when counting ballots (I know that he does not actually count them himself), guaranteed Kennedy a victory in Cook County.

When President Johnson won a Senate Seat for the first time, there were strong evidence suggesting that the counting of ballots was not very accurate. Then there's Richard Nixon. Enough said. As a former political operative myself I am well aware of the temptation to win at any costs.

Karl Rove is in a class by himself. In a State Election for Governor, he falsely exposed his candidate's opponent as being gay at the last minute. The swift boat ads were a vicious attack on the character of a veteran who valiently fought for his country in the Vietnam war while Rove's own candidate not only used his father's connections to jump the queue for the Texas National Guard during the same war, but also disappeared for a year during his service.

Outing an undercover CIA agent goes beyond political dirty tricks into the realm of criminal offenses. Not only did he risk the life of Valerie Plame but by naming the undercover organization, he risked the lives of anyone who ever worked there.

It seems that Mr. Rove committed one too many dirty tricks. If the Fitzgerald investigation ends his political career, political campaigning will have been purged of a malicious cancer.

AUTHOR OF "LYING FOR EMPIRE: HOW TO WIN WAR CRIMES WITH A STRAIGHT FACE"

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Criminalizing Conservatives
Posted by: feduphoosier on Oct 25, 2005 5:36 AM   
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'Criminalizing Conservatives'... now that one always makes me laugh.

Looking back at the Nixon/Watergate era, then the Reagan era Iran/Contra scandal... and now witnessing the unveiling of the Bush/Cheney Plame scandal (among others you know are coming), all I can say is - gosh - conservatives seem downright determined to 'criminalize' themselves just about every chance they get. They sure do not appear to need any help.

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Posted by: amazed again on Oct 25, 2005 5:37 AM   
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I watch in wonder as your News Media in USA try to back stab legal officers who are doing the job they were given by your President. My thoughts are what are they the Media trying to hide? Are they also on shaky ground? or are they trying to change the outcome for the American people. It was always my contention that the Media was to report the facts and not color the news to suit their own agenda. Now I believe Media are out to support their own Political Party. So what do they get out of it? they are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. Perhaps news moguls should be very careful how they tread, their hip pocket might weigh a little lighter or perhaps they should have their toys [their news papers] taken away from them.

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resada
Posted by: resada on Oct 25, 2005 8:35 AM   
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I think its funny that the tactics that the Republicans thought were fair and right when applied to Clinton[after all, he lied under oath about having SEX!} are so "criminalizing and partisan" when applied to themselves. They seem to have conveniently forgotten that they tried to crucify Clinton on much weaker charges. And charges that had the potential to do far less damage to the nation than the things the Republicans are accused of[money laundering, illegal use of federal funds, breaches of national security, torture of captives]

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ITS THE ARROGANCE STUPID
Posted by: krose on Oct 25, 2005 8:49 AM   
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It is always the arrogance that gets them in the end! You would think they would have been more careful in carrying out their nefarious deeds! They saw Nixon and his cronies go down. They saw Reagon's bunch get caught. But the problem with arrogance is that, when one is consumed with it, one doesn't believe one has it. One thinks one is just "SO SPECIAL!" "I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT!" "THE LAWS DON'T APPLY TO ME!" "I'M DIFFERENT!" Oh well, I guess you are no different than the rest of us, neocon Bush Bunch, & CO. (ITS THE ARRROGANCE STUPID!)

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Plame's Covert Status
Posted by: wobblies on Oct 25, 2005 9:32 AM   
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Hi~
Regarding Plame's covert status, hasn't one blown her status if one informs the public that a person works for the CIA when that person is working under cover. It keeps being asserted that one must not only assert that an agent is in the CIA but also that she is under cover for a crime to have been committed. One's cover is, by definition, blown if it is revealed that the person works for the CIA.

God Speed,
David

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Spinning Out of Control
Posted by: jobie1kno on Oct 25, 2005 10:18 AM   
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The White House would not be in the position they are in, if they hadn't been pulverizing the pupulation for four years, with their spin. Imagine if they hadn't used these corrupt news people to relay their messages to us. The dots are now connected simply because the dots (lies) were all put out there by this administration, to fool us all.They couldn't mould 'popular opinion' without spinning the facts, and now each of those communications are the firm proof of the White House's illegal actions. Nice.

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US PERSON
Posted by: US Person on Oct 25, 2005 11:05 AM   
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Oh, what a tangled web it is, when first we practice to deceive!

My apologies to the poet who wrote this line since I probably have quoted it inaccurately--but you get the idea

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TennBlue
Posted by: TennBlue on Oct 25, 2005 11:22 AM   
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I don't recall hearing allegations of partisanship when this investigation began. Now that it seems a real possibility that Fitzgerald has uncovered crimes and will issue indictments, he is suddenly branded "partisan." Limbaugh and O'Reilly, accomplished and proven liars, will now work overtime to paint Fitzgerald as a politically motivated witch hunter. I'm not surprised. After all, conservative pundits in general, and those two in particular, have staked their reputations on setting up Bush and his administration as paragons of Christian morality, out to save America from the immoral and criminal liberals. I've finally discovered what the Conservative Christian Right is really all about. A crime is a crime only if a liberal commits it, and a commandment is a commandment only if a liberal breaks it.

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Blogs Of War
Posted by: cstriker on Oct 25, 2005 12:32 PM   
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Anyone here seen Blogs of War? I have yet to look it over, but a friend of mine was telling me about it months ago. He indicated that since Plame was outed that the Israelis have been able to get their hands on loose nukes from Russia. He thinks that much of this ties back to WWII and the Jews saying they would never let anti-Semitics take them down again.

He is a serious conspiracy type person, but much of what he has said about the Plame deal has come out as truth. This really scares the doodie out of me. If any of his other theories about the rise of anti-Semitism and the Israelis getting their hands on nukes are true we are in serious trouble.

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Thanks for the great summation of the falsehoods...
Posted by: sgtmartin1 on Oct 25, 2005 1:49 PM   
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How bizarre have things gotten when the smear machine gears up to push back on the indictments that were necessitated by the smear machine's prior activities?

It a vindictive circle I tell you!

New on EWM: White House Sets Job Fair

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Grace
Posted by: Gracie_fr on Oct 25, 2005 2:00 PM   
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Newspapers are good enough for reporting about one third of the facts most of the time. But then it is advisable to check on viable reporting done by well heeled vetrans...like Pilger or Robert Fisk when it come to facts on the ground in the Middle East. As for good American reporting, there is some. Most of the information that appears in the New York Review of Books is very good and informative..The New Yorker has been steadily excellent i.e.George Packer (The recent Assassins Gate) Jane Mayer, John Lee Anderson and of course Seymour Hersh. Harpers has been an outspoken part of the opposition since the 2000 election(slugginger editorials by Lewis Lapham)....and of course The Nation Magazine!!!.... All is NOT lost!!

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mike
Posted by: lastmarx on Oct 25, 2005 2:36 PM   
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Wilson on Cheney "sending" Wilson: Cheney ordered his staff to get info on the Niger story from the CIA-that's what inspired the CIA (not Cheney himself) to send him.

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SHOWS OUR SYSTEM WORKS? OR IS BROKEN?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 25, 2005 3:55 PM   
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Two years later means we've been stuck with BushII since then. He's done everything he can to drag the US deeper in the muck. It's like Chicago living with Capone murdering honest politicans until caught on an income tax rap.

Sorry. Something's broken. The issue is whether it can be fixed, and even impeachment of Bush would not fix it.

The US has sunk to its lowest depths since the chaos of the Civil War. It will take at least a couple of generations without wars and with politicans who take public service seriously and with citizens who realize that we are all in this together to get our hands clean again.

What a pity! What a shame! Democracy doesn't lie. The whole world can see our dirty laundry.

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Posted by: justthefacts on Oct 30, 2005 8:22 PM   
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With all the continued inference that Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, or whoever was behind the disclosure of Valerie Plames's affiliation with the CIA, the hard fact is the after a two year investigation costing I'm sure several million dollars, a very highly respected prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald (great job in Chicago) has come up with nothing more than a charge against a staff member of inconsistencies in his testimony regarding conversations with reporters. There is no charge that Libby leaked the Plame data - no indictment - nothing.
There is no charge against anyone for leaking the Plame connection. Do I think the investigation was valid? Yes. But if this is the best that can be arrived at under a class prosecutor, my question, if any of you remember Clara Peller, is, "where's the beef"? Answer, there really isn't any.
But if Rove, Cheney, Bush, whoever was shown through this process to have been responsible, my response would be, let the chips fall where they may. That said, you have to ask yourself this. The Administration made it clear from day one that if asked, any member of the administration should provide testimony to the FBI. No foot dragging, no appeals to the Circuit Court. And if asked to testify before the grand jury, they should do so promptly - no legal challenges, etc. And as far as I know, Fitzgerald was given free access to any records he requested, EMails whatever, without ever issuing a subpeona. Of Course, no investigation involving the Clinton Administration as far as I know was without a flurry of subpeonas. The American way. No blanket indictment of the Clinton Administration.
But you have to ask yourself this. If Bush, Cheney and Rove were at the heart of this - they did it, guilty as hell - why would they give the prosecutor an open road and an open book to hang them? If guilty, why wouldn't they play the "deny, deny, deny" card, the "appeal, appeal, appeal" card. Got an answer?

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Posted by: amazed on Oct 31, 2005 6:05 AM   
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How dare Robert Novack, Sean Hannnity, Rush Limbaugh and the like decide that outing a CIA agent is okay. It's a crime guys. The law doesn't specific only covert agents it simply identfies CIA agents. And who are these hacks to decide their outing didn't endanger her lives or the lives of others. All they do is collect their talking points each day from the White House. They have sold their souls.

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