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Can White Hollywood Get Race Right?
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Set in post-riot, post-9/11 Los Angeles, "Crash" literally slams together a number of racialized "crashes" that drive the film forward. It openly draws on L.A. films like "Grand Canyon" and "Falling Down," as well as the works of Spike Lee. Although studios have shied away from dealing with race since 9/11, "Crash" is being marketed as "a provocative, unflinching look at the complexities of racial conflict in America." It is meant to challenge its viewers "to question their own prejudices" through the multiple perspectives of its star-studded, multiracial cast.
So what does it mean to be a post-9/11 race movie? Is "Crash" better than its Hollywood predecessors? Is Hollywood finally dealing with race? Cultural critics Jeff Chang and Sylvia Chan sat down, Ebert and Roeper-style, to figure it all out.
Keeping it Real
Jeff Chang: They're pitching "Crash" as a "race movie," a genre that has been anathema to Hollywood after 9/11. There isn't any explicit reference to the Iraq war, but I think the war is what "colors" the entire movie.
Sylvia Chan: What is a post-9/11 race movie? How have perspectives on race changed since 9/11? Besides the fact that there's an Iranian shop owner, this film could very well have been made before 9/11. What does it mean to be a good "race" movie, period?
JC: To begin to answer that, we have to go back to the 80s. After the blaxploitation era, a particular kind of race movie really took off: stories that were essentially about blacks or people of color redeeming whites. Start with Spielberg and "The Color Purple" and move on to "Mississippi Burning," "Cry Freedom," "Driving Miss Daisy." "Grand Canyon" is the crowning point of this genre.
SC: It continues to now with "Monster's Ball."
JC: And let's please ignore most of Queen Latifah's recent work. At the end of the 80s, Spike Lee says that he wrote "Do The Right Thing" to confront exactly this kind of movie. In turn, "Do The Right Thing" opened up the door to Black films being financed by the major studios, a trend that accelerated after the Los Angeles riots in 1992.
The other thing that happened after the riots is that Hollywood naturalized race by actively casting non-white co-stars or supporting actors. Race but without the racism, or as Greg Tate would put it, "everything but the burden." These days, the subtext of most movies is that we're all working and shopping in this beautiful, multicultural America together. It's the suppression of racial conflict through easy images of pluralist capitalism.
So "Crash's" neo-realistic take on race--the slurs, the appropriation of hip-hop, the tensions that refer back to pre-Rodney King Los Angeles--can be received literally as the real deal.
Black and White and Everyone Else
SC: I thought "Crash" was so unrealistic. Matt Dillon's cop character Sgt. Ryan walks into that HMO office and says, "My father helped black people and you just have a job because of affirmative action and that's why I don't like you, you bitch. Now give me what I want." If people spoke like that it would be great, because then you would know exactly where people stood. But it's not like that, and that's what's so unrealistic. Most people don't even know how to talk about race like that.
JC: For Haggis, the "crash" is the metaphor that holds everything together. He seems to believe race is only discussed when we collide with each other, and friction starts. It's a very interesting concept that resonates post-riots, post 9/11. But there's very little character development in the movie, and even less insight into race.
SC: The entire notion that racism can be instigated by "crashes" and collisions is steeped in a certain perspective: if I don't crash into you, I'll never get to know you, because you don't live in my neighborhood, and I don't have any friends that are not of my race or class.
The whole idea that you don't have to think about race until you "crash" into it is not what most people have the luxury of doing. And that is what white privilege is. White privilege is not having to think about race. Which is why I think many people have the reaction they do of coming out of the movie and bawling, thinking they've learned something.
JC: Haggis seems to use his black characters, on the other hand, to elaborate his view of race. It's interesting that Don Cheadle's conflicted, melancholy Detective Graham Waters--who remains a mystery to the end, even to himself--is the one who is given the lines about crashing.
SC: Ludacris' character Anthony is the most ridiculous kind of black nationalist. He looks like a fool most of the time. Then it turns out he's a criminal, too. Radical thought has to be associated with petty criminality. It parallels how radical thought was criminalized in the American justice system during the Reagan era.
JC: During the 60s, Tom Wolfe portrayed black and Samoan activists in San Francisco and New York City as race hustlers and poverty pimps in "[Radical Chic and] Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers." Anthony is just an update of a kind of 60s white liberal take on radicals of color.
He is redeemed at the end of the movie, after taking a lesson from the Terence Howard's bourgeoisie, white-identifying black director Cameron, who sheds his Oreo aspirations by confronting the police harder than Anthony ever would. Anthony then goes on to free the Thai slave workers.
Haggis seems to be saying that the kind of nationalism and separatism Anthony is spouting is not the way forward. What's new in "Crash," if anything, is a recognition that assimilation into whiteness may not be the way to go either. But either way, non-whites need to get over their anger about racism, because they need whites.
SC: At the same time, I thought the white characters were the most realistic characters in the movie, and I probably wouldn't have had as many problems with this movie if it had been structured more like 1993's "Falling Down," where it was about whiteness under siege. If it was about white people being afraid, suspicious, angry, resentful, and confused by non-white people, then it would be very accurate. White people are afraid of non-white people, even if they can't vocalize or verbalize it.
JC: The characters that are not white or black are more thinly drawn. Shaun Toub's Iranian store owner Farhad -- whose doctor daughter Dorrie (Bahar Soomekh) sets up the only war reference when she is buying a gun from a racist white shopkeeper -- is simply another "bad Arab," if a powerless one. The Chicanos are the most redeemed, but they are magical-realist archetypes more than characters.
The two Asian characters Choi and Kim Lee are set up for a very cheap reversal. Asians are supposed to be the model minorities -- hard-working pursuers of the American Dream. Instead, this husband and wife are revealed to be human traffickers, bad drivers, and bottom-line materialists. (To show just how cheap the reversal is, the human trafficker gets paid with a personal check. What human trafficker gets paid with a personal check?) So the question is: what prejudice about Asians were we supposed to confront here? These are stereotypes on steroids.
The last image of an Asian person is of the newly freed Thai boy, looking like the classic "angel with a dirty face," only now he is staring into the store glowing with walls of DVDs. This is why they want to come to America, right? Because of the movies.
Crash of the Civilizations
SC: Many people have had an extremely visceral reaction to this film. Why does "Crash" move people so? Why has it received these glowing reviews? Why is it deemed so realistic, when it's not my reality, or the reality of anyone I know? It points out deep divides of how people approach issues of race.
Take David Denby who reviewed "Crash" in the New Yorker, and loved it. If you go back, he hated "Do the Right Thing," famously wrote that it was reactionary and terrible. But to me, a good movie about race would be one where white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated, because for once, they would get a chance to look at the world from a non-white perspective. To make you feel what it's like to be angry, confused, and frustrated all the time is exactly what a movie about race should do, because that's what it feels like when you tell me that if I do this, this and this, I can get this. But, it's just not true.
JC: The main reversal of the movie is when Officer Ryan, who humiliates Cameron's light-skinned wife Christine (Thandie Newton), is forced to save her from a burning car. He learns that he can't blame his problems on blacks, or take it out on them. He needs them to save his father and himself.
SC: One of the central contradictions of the American narrative is between whiteness and diversity. Are we a white nation that has to claim Western culture as our own, or do we subscribe to a liberal narrative of diversity, where we are a melting pot, a nation of immigrants? The first option is Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" thesis, in which he asserts we must claim our white "western" heritage to maintain America's global power against threatening "Islamic" and "Sinic" (Chinese) culture. Huntington also says that Latinos pose the greatest threat to the nation from inside the nation's borders, because they pose a threat to "us" culturally. These theories guide much of U.S. foreign and domestic policy.
Now in "Crash," there is a desire to subvert the narrative of whiteness, to say, no we're not a white nation, we are a diverse nation. But it also shows us how diversity is so problematic. The story winds up the same old way -- telling us "we" can be diverse, but only if a certain racial hierarchy remains, where whiteness is always redeemed, and whiteness always will save you. African Americans have to be co-opted, to be included in the national "us" in order to consolidate the nation against these "threats" -- which are the Muslims, the Arabs, the Chinese, and the Latinos.
Race During Wartime
JC: In the 1980s, people were very hungry for images of people of color. That was what drove the radical multiculturalism movement and led to the success of artists like Spike Lee and Public Enemy. What we wanted at the time was to see a broad spectrum of representations of ourselves. But what's happened is that now movies for audiences of color financed by studios are largely comedies -- in fact, class aspirational comedies at that.
SC: Like "Barbershop."
JC: Or "Diary of A Mad Black Woman" or "Hitch." Nothing wrong with that, but it represents only a fraction of the kinds of representations people were hoping to see.
SC: No more "Boyz in the Hood."
JC: With a few exceptions -- "Rize," "Hustle & Flow," "Coach Carter" -- the street drama and the urban noir have migrated to cable TV and gangsta rap. Historical dramas are dead, except again for TV. The family drama is long gone -- "Lackawanna Blues" was on HBO. Don't hold your breath waiting for the next "To Sleep with Anger" to be greenlit. In that sense, a post-9/11 Hollywood race movie is an anomaly.
SC: Bringing it back to this post 9/11 moment, "Crash" is coming out during a time of war. Our nation is in "crisis," we have a "deeply divided nation," as the media keeps telling us. When "Grand Canyon," and one of the first white liberal Hollywood movies, "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner," were released, the nation was at war. Times of crisis and war are when whites have the strongest desire for reconciliation with blacks, when blackness is most desired as part of a triumphant narrative of nation.
Don Cheadle's character is a type of black male protagonist who's very common these days: a proxy for the state, working against all the unruly elements of internal diversity and external threat. Think Denzel Washington in "The Siege," Will Smith in "Men In Black" and "Independence Day," Samuel L. Jackson in "Rules of Engagement," Morgan Freeman as the president in "Deep Impact." This is the type of narrative Hollywood needs to keep putting out there right now--the black man as the symbol for our nation, the guy who's going to provide order for not only the U.S., but for the world. And let's be real: this isn't happening in real life.
In the end, the film paints racism as a postmodern malaise where conflict happens because we don't touch each other except when we crash. That's bullshit. Racism is structural and institutional more than it is personal and sentimental.
JC: The pitch is go to see "Crash," then go home and ponder your prejudices. For some people it may do that. For a lot of people, though, it won't. It's the feel-good race hit movie of the summer.
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Posted by: Tommy on Jul 19, 2005 10:10 PM
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Is this the definitive study of racism in post-911 America? I don't think it comes close. But it uses an extremely effective soundtrack and specific quotes and scenes to reach an audience that will never watch a Spike Lee movie or visit the ACLU website. It would be wonderful if someone could make a movie that people that don't belong to the preacher's choir would see and realize that prejudice is stupid. But until that time, I'm glad "Crash" exists and I hope it encourages other movies in the same vein.
I'll let you two argue politics and ethnic examples and such. Me, I'm just happy when people are exposed to the radical notion that racism isn't a political movement, it's a disease that hurts specific people, real people, people everyone knows. Argue semantics all you want - if a movie likes this makes people think about their own prejudices and illogical behavior, then I personally applaud the creators of "Crash" and pray they'll ignore the liberal puppets and keep making movies that reach people that normally wouldn't consider watching films that deal with race.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 20, 2005 11:58 AM
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Many of us Americans probably never dealt with anyone outside their race and in a city like Los Angeles, we have a collision of cultures, each one unique in its own way.
I knew going in that the characters were stereotyped. That's the way we MAY see or imagine a minority to be. These portrayals are burned into our collective psyche. But we seem to love these same ethnic stereotypes in film because it reinforces our belief of deviant, societal behavior by association. (Just because we see someone dressed like a gang member or someone who wears A&F is not a summary of the collective behavior of a group.)
In the end, I hope Americans could overcome its racial differences and not parade the same old stereotypes in film.
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Posted by: Tracey on Jul 20, 2005 12:49 PM
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Wow! A succesful black person that is consistently under seige in EVERY aspect of their lives. Fighting the white producer over "how real black people talk" to being expected to turn into "super thug" to defend his wife from the police to being "held up" by one of your own people for your car. Then on top of that, you have your "blackness" questioned? His confronting the police had nothing to do with shedding his "oreo aspiriations" it had a lot to do with just being feed up.
What exactly made Ludacris' character a black nationalist? Spouting some pro-black sentiments? I don't think so. This was one of the worst written characters in the film, who is only getting attention because of Ludacris' solid performance. The character reminded me of black rappers talking about racism, then in the next breath saying how "gully" or "hood" they were and how they would bust a cap in your ass over just about anything. Hell, I'm black and I'm afraid of that kind of talk. I seriously doubt that the majority of black people viewed that character as political or nationalist.
Sounds like to many ph.d classes to me - "racism is structural and institutional more than it is personal and sentimental." Get off Berkeley's liberal campus and go visit a civil war park in the South. There is nothing more personal or sentimental than watching packs of white peope shed tears for their civil war ancestors while refusing to discuss the enslavment of black people or even attempting to understand black people's hatred for the confederate flag. When people say racism is structural and institutional, they are implying racism can "fixed" by changing social constructions, that's crap. Racism is handed down in personal relationships like grandma's silver set.
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Posted by: jennoschmello on Jul 24, 2005 10:12 AM
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Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan's commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make 'white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated"? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to 'changing the times' was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why so many people respect King?! Come on!
Chang and Chan's call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their comment is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than a qupte to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can't change people by attacking them. You can't make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter.
So NO! I don't think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of 'mature' character studies like Crash. Maybe then you'll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them.
All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.
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Posted by: Shalimarali on Jul 26, 2005 3:20 PM
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A movie like Monster's Ball would have been totally acceptable 200 years ago, when black women and girls had to sexually service white slave masters.
Making a movie like Monster's Ball in the year 2002 is an insult to every black women and girl in America.
There is already so much disrespect for black women in Hip Hop lyrics that it seemed like Halle Berry wanted to jump on the bandwagon of disrespect black women.
I wonder if she plans to show the movie to her son or daughter if she ever has kids one day.
She has not given birth to any children yet, but I can you I am mad as hell that my granddaughters will have her as a role model of the first black women to win an Oscar.
This movie was the most offensive movie about blacks since Birth of a Nation -- but did you notice there was no outcry from the black community? Why? Because black people see Halle Berry as beautiful and the buck stops there. Never mind that beauty, civil rights and respect are entirely different things, most blacks stop at her beauty and instantly forget about how damaging this movie is to our image.
The NAACP did a ban on Song of the South, even though the lead actor (James Baskett, a black man) won an honorary Oscar. They had the backbone to boycott this movie because of the negative image of blacks. And it took about 20 years for the movie to be banned.
The year prior to Halle Berry and Denzel winning their Oscars, the NAACP threatened to ban the Oscars due to lack of representation of blacks. I guess they very well could not try to boycott the Oscars for this horrid movie after the Oscars gave them exactly what they asked for -- black representation.
Shame on Halle Berry for F**king a white man to get an Oscar. After she turned that trick, I refused to watch any movie she made after Monster's Ball. And with her box office sales so low, I guess she turned off others as well.
Blacks need to work on self respect and demanding respect. When entertainment disrespects us, let's boycott and raise a fuss, just like we did with Stephen Fetchit.
No black girl in America neeeds to be shown how to make a white man feel real good, 200 years after Slavery.
Boycott Halle Berry!!!
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Posted by: shwilkins on Aug 8, 2005 5:40 AM
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You need to leave California and come to the 'real' US. The person who said this to me just didn't add the words - 'you bitch'. The rest of your article is based on your perspective - and I respect that - as limited as it appears to be.
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Posted by: savvysearch on Feb 4, 2006 10:51 PM
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As an Asian American, I don't get into many argument where people end up calling me a slanted-eyed, laundry shop owning chink. In fact, I haven't worried about this type of hysterical overt racism in over 20 years, so calling Crash a "feel good race movie" hits it perfectly. The movie avoids the important issues of racism that actually affect us today in the year 2006. Instead, it focuses on obvious hysterical racism that is easy to see as being wrong, so that we can easily dismiss and judge characters like Matt Dillon and Sandra Bullock without identifying with any of them. Racism exists in many forms. Crash focuses on the easiest one that has the most consensus , the hysterical type of calling each other racial slurs. This is why Crash is "feel good" because we can say "I am definitely NOT this person." The movie keeps the viewer safely in this position of moral superiority. So they can point the finger without seeing the three fingers that are pointing back at them.
The racism that Crash avoids is the form that is more insidious and affects most of us today. It's the type that we feel in our everyday lives and that we know exists, but it's subtle and difficult to prove. I call it the "I'm-not-a-racist" racism. It's why New Orleans isn't getting the money it needs. It's why there are so few people of color getting lead roles in television shows and movies. It isn't a conscious racism perpetrated by angry racist people. It is, as Chang described, structural and institutional.
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Posted by: bennicotera on Mar 6, 2006 3:26 PM
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This is not, by any means, the height of expression in the collaborative artform of filmmaking, nor is it even a rollercoaster of emotion. Instead of a rollercoaster, as an audience, we get the privledge of an outside perspective-- just because the confrontational type of racism we see in the movie is by far the least common type. It's perpetuated by institutions and communities, sure, and racism is a personal problem for far too many, but these days, racism is just not as out in the open as it has been in the recent past. Consider the power of the anti-holocaust backlash in the 1940s and the civil rights movements of the subsequent decades. It's almost impossible to have an openly racist political standpoint, and-- I'm sorry-- racists are extremely unlikely to do anything around the people they are discrimining against that can prove discrimination. It's called self-preservation, my friends, and it's absence in the movie is more attention getting than any diatribe on social problems.
In terms of execution, Crash's L.A. look and sound is tolerable, but about as cliched as they get, similar to the also potentially amazing Heat a few years back. In fact, the films share one or two key crew in the cinematography department. I must admit that I didn't see Crash in the theater, and it may have looked better on a huge screen.
Still, a lot of people love this movie. It *is* sort of daring and, again, sort of innovative in it's emphasis on the story of the emotions rather than accomplishments or relationships as most movies are. Emotional expression, however, is a part of all Hollywood films, and it seems like the movie makers just saved on story work by embracing "boundary-pushing."
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 7, 2006 11:59 AM
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Let's make white liberals so upset that a supposedly 'groundbreaking' film - Brokeback Mountain - gets snubbed in favor of a film with racism as its theme - Crash. Hmm, let's pit homosexuals against blacks and watch them tear each other apart while the powers that keep both groups down watches from the sidelines with fiendish glee.
Amazing - it worked. I guess no one learned a damn thing from either film.
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Posted by: skyloaf on Mar 7, 2006 9:02 PM
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Well, I am SO sorry that the writer/director and I just don't get it. Yes, we are white, which may make it impossible for us to get it. But at least we're trying to get it. AT LEAST we recognize that racism is bad and we try to understand.
For God's sake, educate us. But don't tell us we're wrong or bad or misleading. The effort is plain to see.
Further, the critics show themselves as left coasters by criticising the dialogue. Yes, it's true real LAers would probably not speak like that, but I certainly have heard those exact words in the midwest.
And what the hell is this about racism being institutional and structural? DUUUHHH! But people -- you know, those individual life forms -- they are personal and sentimental. And if your going to make any progress, you make it person by person by person.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 29, 2006 9:34 AM
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Critique on this level is unhelpful in the furtherance of the cause these two critics purport to uphold. But then all this has been said in the comments so far decrying the sloppy but progressively ultra-PC penchant of the authors. "Crash" is a problematic film but well crafted and told, its narratoglogical and cinematic flaws and weaknesses included. It cannot be judged on the expectations of marketeers, fans or critics. I don't think it's too many Ph.D.'s, although that was a good use of humor, just a lack of experience actually producing relevant, focused, intelligent critique of fictional material.
Besides, why is it that people expect Hollywood, a capitalist corporate globalist bastion, to save them from corporate globalist capitalism and all its attendant cultural, class and ethnic traumas? Why are we waiting for racial salvation to come on the silver screen? Why are we still using the 20th century term "race" when we really mean body morphology/ethnic supremacy urges? "Race" is the convenient linguistic cover for the very real Amerikaan crisis manifest in our absurd and profound inability to hear or see Other as Us and, to define "Other" and "Us" purely on the basis of ethnicity or skin pigmentation/body morph, both individually and institutionally/culturally. If there is any broader societal value to "Crash" it is in its ability to present a version, limited as it has to be to live within its inherent narrative frame, of this crisis. But to have any broader urge for the film or ascribe overly broad redemptive value or qualities to this film is just an exercise in stoopid. I want donuts to fulfill all my nutritional needs to the exclusion of all other foods too but that isn't "realistic" either.
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Posted by: Tommy on Jul 19, 2005 10:10 PM
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Is this the definitive study of racism in post-911 America? I don't think it comes close. But it uses an extremely effective soundtrack and specific quotes and scenes to reach an audience that will never watch a Spike Lee movie or visit the ACLU website. It would be wonderful if someone could make a movie that people that don't belong to the preacher's choir would see and realize that prejudice is stupid. But until that time, I'm glad "Crash" exists and I hope it encourages other movies in the same vein.
I'll let you two argue politics and ethnic examples and such. Me, I'm just happy when people are exposed to the radical notion that racism isn't a political movement, it's a disease that hurts specific people, real people, people everyone knows. Argue semantics all you want - if a movie likes this makes people think about their own prejudices and illogical behavior, then I personally applaud the creators of "Crash" and pray they'll ignore the liberal puppets and keep making movies that reach people that normally wouldn't consider watching films that deal with race.
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Posted by: lrhink on Jul 20, 2005 4:22 AM
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 20, 2005 11:58 AM
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Many of us Americans probably never dealt with anyone outside their race and in a city like Los Angeles, we have a collision of cultures, each one unique in its own way.
I knew going in that the characters were stereotyped. That's the way we MAY see or imagine a minority to be. These portrayals are burned into our collective psyche. But we seem to love these same ethnic stereotypes in film because it reinforces our belief of deviant, societal behavior by association. (Just because we see someone dressed like a gang member or someone who wears A&F is not a summary of the collective behavior of a group.)
In the end, I hope Americans could overcome its racial differences and not parade the same old stereotypes in film.
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Posted by: Tracey on Jul 20, 2005 12:49 PM
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Wow! A succesful black person that is consistently under seige in EVERY aspect of their lives. Fighting the white producer over "how real black people talk" to being expected to turn into "super thug" to defend his wife from the police to being "held up" by one of your own people for your car. Then on top of that, you have your "blackness" questioned? His confronting the police had nothing to do with shedding his "oreo aspiriations" it had a lot to do with just being feed up.
What exactly made Ludacris' character a black nationalist? Spouting some pro-black sentiments? I don't think so. This was one of the worst written characters in the film, who is only getting attention because of Ludacris' solid performance. The character reminded me of black rappers talking about racism, then in the next breath saying how "gully" or "hood" they were and how they would bust a cap in your ass over just about anything. Hell, I'm black and I'm afraid of that kind of talk. I seriously doubt that the majority of black people viewed that character as political or nationalist.
Sounds like to many ph.d classes to me - "racism is structural and institutional more than it is personal and sentimental." Get off Berkeley's liberal campus and go visit a civil war park in the South. There is nothing more personal or sentimental than watching packs of white peope shed tears for their civil war ancestors while refusing to discuss the enslavment of black people or even attempting to understand black people's hatred for the confederate flag. When people say racism is structural and institutional, they are implying racism can "fixed" by changing social constructions, that's crap. Racism is handed down in personal relationships like grandma's silver set.
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Posted by: jennoschmello on Jul 24, 2005 10:12 AM
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Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan's commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make 'white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated"? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to 'changing the times' was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why so many people respect King?! Come on!
Chang and Chan's call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their comment is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than a qupte to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can't change people by attacking them. You can't make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter.
So NO! I don't think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of 'mature' character studies like Crash. Maybe then you'll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them.
All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.
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Posted by: Shalimarali on Jul 26, 2005 3:20 PM
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A movie like Monster's Ball would have been totally acceptable 200 years ago, when black women and girls had to sexually service white slave masters.
Making a movie like Monster's Ball in the year 2002 is an insult to every black women and girl in America.
There is already so much disrespect for black women in Hip Hop lyrics that it seemed like Halle Berry wanted to jump on the bandwagon of disrespect black women.
I wonder if she plans to show the movie to her son or daughter if she ever has kids one day.
She has not given birth to any children yet, but I can you I am mad as hell that my granddaughters will have her as a role model of the first black women to win an Oscar.
This movie was the most offensive movie about blacks since Birth of a Nation -- but did you notice there was no outcry from the black community? Why? Because black people see Halle Berry as beautiful and the buck stops there. Never mind that beauty, civil rights and respect are entirely different things, most blacks stop at her beauty and instantly forget about how damaging this movie is to our image.
The NAACP did a ban on Song of the South, even though the lead actor (James Baskett, a black man) won an honorary Oscar. They had the backbone to boycott this movie because of the negative image of blacks. And it took about 20 years for the movie to be banned.
The year prior to Halle Berry and Denzel winning their Oscars, the NAACP threatened to ban the Oscars due to lack of representation of blacks. I guess they very well could not try to boycott the Oscars for this horrid movie after the Oscars gave them exactly what they asked for -- black representation.
Shame on Halle Berry for F**king a white man to get an Oscar. After she turned that trick, I refused to watch any movie she made after Monster's Ball. And with her box office sales so low, I guess she turned off others as well.
Blacks need to work on self respect and demanding respect. When entertainment disrespects us, let's boycott and raise a fuss, just like we did with Stephen Fetchit.
No black girl in America neeeds to be shown how to make a white man feel real good, 200 years after Slavery.
Boycott Halle Berry!!!
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Posted by: miro26 on Jul 28, 2005 8:15 PM
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Posted by: shwilkins on Aug 8, 2005 5:40 AM
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You need to leave California and come to the 'real' US. The person who said this to me just didn't add the words - 'you bitch'. The rest of your article is based on your perspective - and I respect that - as limited as it appears to be.
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Posted by: savvysearch on Feb 4, 2006 10:51 PM
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As an Asian American, I don't get into many argument where people end up calling me a slanted-eyed, laundry shop owning chink. In fact, I haven't worried about this type of hysterical overt racism in over 20 years, so calling Crash a "feel good race movie" hits it perfectly. The movie avoids the important issues of racism that actually affect us today in the year 2006. Instead, it focuses on obvious hysterical racism that is easy to see as being wrong, so that we can easily dismiss and judge characters like Matt Dillon and Sandra Bullock without identifying with any of them. Racism exists in many forms. Crash focuses on the easiest one that has the most consensus , the hysterical type of calling each other racial slurs. This is why Crash is "feel good" because we can say "I am definitely NOT this person." The movie keeps the viewer safely in this position of moral superiority. So they can point the finger without seeing the three fingers that are pointing back at them.
The racism that Crash avoids is the form that is more insidious and affects most of us today. It's the type that we feel in our everyday lives and that we know exists, but it's subtle and difficult to prove. I call it the "I'm-not-a-racist" racism. It's why New Orleans isn't getting the money it needs. It's why there are so few people of color getting lead roles in television shows and movies. It isn't a conscious racism perpetrated by angry racist people. It is, as Chang described, structural and institutional.
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Posted by: bennicotera on Mar 6, 2006 3:26 PM
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This is not, by any means, the height of expression in the collaborative artform of filmmaking, nor is it even a rollercoaster of emotion. Instead of a rollercoaster, as an audience, we get the privledge of an outside perspective-- just because the confrontational type of racism we see in the movie is by far the least common type. It's perpetuated by institutions and communities, sure, and racism is a personal problem for far too many, but these days, racism is just not as out in the open as it has been in the recent past. Consider the power of the anti-holocaust backlash in the 1940s and the civil rights movements of the subsequent decades. It's almost impossible to have an openly racist political standpoint, and-- I'm sorry-- racists are extremely unlikely to do anything around the people they are discrimining against that can prove discrimination. It's called self-preservation, my friends, and it's absence in the movie is more attention getting than any diatribe on social problems.
In terms of execution, Crash's L.A. look and sound is tolerable, but about as cliched as they get, similar to the also potentially amazing Heat a few years back. In fact, the films share one or two key crew in the cinematography department. I must admit that I didn't see Crash in the theater, and it may have looked better on a huge screen.
Still, a lot of people love this movie. It *is* sort of daring and, again, sort of innovative in it's emphasis on the story of the emotions rather than accomplishments or relationships as most movies are. Emotional expression, however, is a part of all Hollywood films, and it seems like the movie makers just saved on story work by embracing "boundary-pushing."
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Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 7, 2006 11:59 AM
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Let's make white liberals so upset that a supposedly 'groundbreaking' film - Brokeback Mountain - gets snubbed in favor of a film with racism as its theme - Crash. Hmm, let's pit homosexuals against blacks and watch them tear each other apart while the powers that keep both groups down watches from the sidelines with fiendish glee.
Amazing - it worked. I guess no one learned a damn thing from either film.
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Posted by: skyloaf on Mar 7, 2006 9:02 PM
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Well, I am SO sorry that the writer/director and I just don't get it. Yes, we are white, which may make it impossible for us to get it. But at least we're trying to get it. AT LEAST we recognize that racism is bad and we try to understand.
For God's sake, educate us. But don't tell us we're wrong or bad or misleading. The effort is plain to see.
Further, the critics show themselves as left coasters by criticising the dialogue. Yes, it's true real LAers would probably not speak like that, but I certainly have heard those exact words in the midwest.
And what the hell is this about racism being institutional and structural? DUUUHHH! But people -- you know, those individual life forms -- they are personal and sentimental. And if your going to make any progress, you make it person by person by person.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 29, 2006 9:34 AM
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Critique on this level is unhelpful in the furtherance of the cause these two critics purport to uphold. But then all this has been said in the comments so far decrying the sloppy but progressively ultra-PC penchant of the authors. "Crash" is a problematic film but well crafted and told, its narratoglogical and cinematic flaws and weaknesses included. It cannot be judged on the expectations of marketeers, fans or critics. I don't think it's too many Ph.D.'s, although that was a good use of humor, just a lack of experience actually producing relevant, focused, intelligent critique of fictional material.
Besides, why is it that people expect Hollywood, a capitalist corporate globalist bastion, to save them from corporate globalist capitalism and all its attendant cultural, class and ethnic traumas? Why are we waiting for racial salvation to come on the silver screen? Why are we still using the 20th century term "race" when we really mean body morphology/ethnic supremacy urges? "Race" is the convenient linguistic cover for the very real Amerikaan crisis manifest in our absurd and profound inability to hear or see Other as Us and, to define "Other" and "Us" purely on the basis of ethnicity or skin pigmentation/body morph, both individually and institutionally/culturally. If there is any broader societal value to "Crash" it is in its ability to present a version, limited as it has to be to live within its inherent narrative frame, of this crisis. But to have any broader urge for the film or ascribe overly broad redemptive value or qualities to this film is just an exercise in stoopid. I want donuts to fulfill all my nutritional needs to the exclusion of all other foods too but that isn't "realistic" either.
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