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Wal-Mart's Wily Ways
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The unusual openness is part of Wal-Mart's image-enhancing PR push involving newspaper ads in major markets, television commercials, support for public broadcasting, grants to major journalism schools and sponsorship of an ABC news program segment about American values.
So far the campaign has drawn fire from trade groups, politicians and activists. And it has added insult to injury for community newspapers, a Wal-Mart casualty the company now badly needs to spread its gospel locally. Wal-Mart's CEO H. Lee Scott said in a January interview with USA Today that the megastore was taking its proactive media campaign to "the very local level," something that undoubtedly will require making friends out of miffed local editors.
Community papers are typically small papers that are independently owned by families or smaller chains, and tend to cover local news. For years, community papers have suffered as Wal-Mart, an infrequent newspaper advertiser, pushes out traditional department stores, the bread and butter of local papers. Department stores accounted for 5.5 percent of non-auto retail sales in 1990 but only 3.3 percent by 2002, according to the Newspaper Association of America. That number is expected to decline to 2.1 percent by 2010. What's more, many retailers went from offering occasional sales that needed to be advertised, to mimicking Wal-Mart's "everyday low prices" model.
Another hit came when Wal-Mart moved into provider groceries, which cut into newspapers' grocery insert revenues. Also, experts say changes in the retail industry, many caused by the giant retailer, are making penny pinchers of surviving retail advertisers who see declining newspaper readerships and high ad prices as reasons to use alternatives like data-based and direct-to-consumer marketing.
"Wal-Mart is a strong user of television, not newspaper advertising," says Len Kubas of Kubas Consulting, a Canadian market analysis company that studies U.S. newspaper markets. "If they do sometimes use print it is primarily for preprints or inserts or circulars that would be distributed by daily or community papers in areas where they have stores."
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While the woes of local rags can't all be traced to Bentonville, anecdotal evidence suggests the impact is big. A report co-authored by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and citing statistics by Deutsche Bank Securities, shows superstores' chunk of the general merchandise market went from 16 percent in 1992 to 50 percent in 2004. From 1991 to 2004, retail ad growth at newspapers shrunk from 4 percent to 1 percent.
Such statistics make for cool relations with local papers like Suffolk Life, a community newspaper in New Jersey that took Wal-Mart to editorial task for having "killed off the small retailers ... [and] strangling yet another key member of the community -- the local newspapers." The Business Ledger, a monthly business journal in Delaware, noting the fact that Wal-Mart's managers often lacked the "community involvement skills of their predecessors," has written that "it is no surprise that the community press -- to this day still heavily represented by hard-working family owners -- grew to quietly despise the company, as even the discretionary budgets dried up and the company continued to drive down costs."
Against this backdrop, Wal-Mart bought ads in January in more than 100 major market newspapers across the country, including USA Today, the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. The ad was a direct letter from CEO Scott, who wrote that it was time for the public to hear the "unfiltered truth" about Wal-Mart. He took issue with "urban legends" about the company and said it was time to set the record straight.
Yet at the same time, Hill & Knowlton, Wal-Mart's blue chip PR agency, was pitching an identical message to community editors as news, offering small market papers interviews with corporate executives who were primed to polish Wal-Mart's image to a high sheen.
"I took it as an affront," says Mike Buffington, publisher of four community newspapers and president of the National Newspaper Association. "Basically they had gone to the larger papers and bought a one-page ad extolling the virtues of the company and answering their critics. They then pitched the same information to community papers to run it as bluff PR."
After a PR rep called him, Buffington, wearing his NNA hat, fired off a letter to H. Lee Scott:
As both a newspaper publisher and as a spokesman for several thousand community newspapers in America, I want to let you know that I, and many of my fellow publishers, are insulted by this Wal-Mart PR effort. Wal-Mart built its foundation of stores in many of our rural and suburban communities, the places where I, and many of my fellow publishers, operate newspapers. Yet community newspapers across the nation are all but invisible to Wal-Mart unless the company is looking for some free PR in our pages. Wal-Mart has a fairly standard policy of doing little to no local newspaper advertising.Hill and Knowlton referred interview requests to Wal-Mart officials who did not respond to requests made by phone and email.
Break Up to Make Up?
But evidence suggests that Wal-Mart may have its hat in hand. Buffington says a Wal-Mart official is coming to his association's next conference to explain how Wal-Mart views community papers. And Kubas said one of his staffers recently attended a major newspaper conference where Wal-Mart representatives were using conciliatory tones.
Buffington, who says he would never let a paper's advertising considerations dictate news coverage, added that he doesn't think Wal-Mart tries to hurt community newspapers intentionally and that his papers will cover legitimate news stories relating to the company. "The point was they are willing to pay for it in major newspapers," he said in a telephone interview, "while thinking that we in the community newspaper business would not see it as bluff PR. We know the difference. We are a little more sophisticated than what they give us credit for."
If Wal-Mart's PR hacks bury the hatchet with local papers (ad money would no doubt help), it will still have plenty of fence-mending to do. The United Food and Commercial Worker's Union as well as some members of Congress are upset over Wal-Mart's sponsorship of an ABC News segment that features everyday, patriotic Americans.
"With this sponsorship, ABC News provides Wal-Mart both a format and visual framing to perpetuate a long-term myth--that Wal-Mart possesses a unique American patriotism manifested in practices that promote American values, respect workers, and privilege American-made products," the UFCA says on its website. "There could be no greater distance between 'Only in America' and the reality behind Wal-Mart's image machinery."
That theme was echoed by 21 congressmembers who in March sent a letter to ABC asking the network to pull the sponsorship -- something ABC's vice-president Jeffrey Schneider said in a media interview the company had no plans to do.
Wal-Mart is trolling for friendly media faces in other ways.
The New York Times has reported that in 2004 Wal-Mart for the first time become a sponsor of National Public Radio, landing it the right to have recorded messages promote its stores on air. Also for the first time, it unveiled a plan to give $500,000 in minority scholarships to journalism schools at Columbia University, Howard University and others.
It has also set up a new website (www.walmartfacts.com) that plays up its community giving and offers up company facts.
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Why, after so many years, the proactive PR?
The company is moving from saturated rural markets to suburban and urban markets where developmental tensions and critical news coverage are causing problems. In some cases, the bad press is even blocking new projects, as happened recently in Inglewood, Calif., where voters nixed a Wal-Mart development in a highly publicized referendum. And company executives have admitted that bad headlines may be keeping Wal-Mart stock prices flat.
And the bad publicity seems to be getting deeper. Wal-Mart recently announced a settlement on federal charges that it let underage workers operate dangerous machinery, and the company agreed to cough up $11 million to settle charges that it hired illegal immigrants as cleaners in many of its stores. The litany of allegations doesn't stop there but includes union busting, labor law violations, shipping jobs overseas, artificially suppressing wages, financial improprieties by a top corporate officer and links to a powerful Chinese businessman allegedly involved in the weapons-trading arm of the People's Liberation Army.
At the end of the day, claims of malfeasance, crime and plain old unabated greed exacerbate Wal-Mart's inherent problem of casting itself as the embodiment of small-town American values while relying on low wages and global sourcing as the foundations of its business model.
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I am very suspicious and uneasy...
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Posted by: reason on Apr 13, 2005 8:04 AM
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My children can't tell the difference if I buy at Wal-mart or Toys R Us once I take the tags off.
My sister works for Walmart and gets profit share and can buy stocks directly. She has worked for two other companies and said she would have been far better off had she always worked for Walmart.
Walmart promotes people who don't have a college education.
The newspapers are 99% owned by huge conglomerates even though they have kept the small town names. They endorse Republicans.
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Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 13, 2005 8:53 AM
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Thanking you in advance, I REMAIN TRULY YOURS!!!
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:54 AM
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If Wallmart is paying low wages, petition state and federal governments to raise minimum wage and/or lower taxes for low-income earners and increase social spending (e.g. health care).
If Wallmart is making it too easy and cheap to buy things, thus fueling out-of-control consumption that destroys the environment, petition consumers to reduce consumption and petition governments to start taxing environmental destruction (e.g. gasoline tax to raise cost the of transporting these goods thus reducing demand).
Stop petitioning Wallmart. It is a corporation - it cannot be blamed for trying to make money within the confines of the law.
In fact, as pointed out by another commentary above, Wallmart charges 10% to 20% less for the same products sold elsewhere. The biggest beneficiary of this are consumers, especially low income earners. Wallmart is able to achieve these cost reductions by volume-buying and price-squeezing its suppliers and passing those cost reductions onto the less rich people who go to its stores. It also saves money through efficiency, which it also passes on to its customers.
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:59 AM
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Since the arrival of Wallmart, many of the stores downtown were forced to close.
Many of the people who now shop at Wallmart have more money to save and spend on other things.
Now, my downtown is going through a sort-of renaissance. Old, crappy boutiques that closed when Wallmart came, are re-opening as cafes and restaurants, where the locals spend their newfound money.
I am glad that Wallmart came to my town.
Although I am glad that I am not personally working at Wallmart, I suppose it would be better than having no job. Unemployment has gone down since Wallmart came.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 1:08 PM
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as for LOW wages, we got all the low wages here in Arizona!
even our markets that AREN'T Walmart pay 5.15 hr part time. they no longer have full time, and they are UNION!!!!
I am not $Moneybags$ ok? so, if I can get a shirt that costs 40$ in the mall, and 10$ for the same one at walmart, well, you got it! I am gonna save that 30$ and either save it, or buy 3 more like it!
We, as Americans, (or at least this one) need to save for retirement. I can stick that 30$ in my account (or in my case, under the mattress) and go around enjoying life just like every other American! If anything, Walmart made buying items possible by having the lowest prices. It does not mean I do not shop other places, I just spend my money a bit wiser than I used to.
We have 24/7 open walmarts here, and I love shopping early in the morning around 2 am or 3 when everyone else is asleep! Stores have alot to learn from Walmart, they know how to accomodate consumer with awesome prices and flexibility. Bankers hours don't work, people! expecially for us night owls. before Walmart, we were basically left in the dark. So, I will continue to shop walmart because I am a consumer who has ADAPTED to not shopping in malls and enjoys saving a buck or two!
as for employees working for minimum wage, it is not like they HAVE to work there, they would find the same thing going on at frys, food city, kmart, target, etc.... why is walmart getting all the slack????
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One person mentioned that he needed to save for his retirement, and that by buying a shirt $30 cheaper he could therefore save that money.
I would hazard to guess that perhaps he, like most of us, didn't need that shirt in the first place. It's my point that Wal-Mart robs us of money by enticing us with overwhelming choices at prices we can't refuse. When the day is over, if one spends $60 at Wal-Mart, what has one bought that is really of any value? Chances are you didn't need any of it, and therefore $60 dollars is now lost. The main principle of saving is thrift, not thrifty spending. Most of it is of poor quality anyway, and you'll be back to replace it. That's double the loss.
Now factor in that Wal-Marts strives to avoid local property tax, are hugh importers that send your dollars overseas, do not return. If that is a net gain to you and your community, you're math is fuzzy. It's about more than your closet full of yard-sale items. And there in lays the problem with your economy. Ours too.
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Posted by: heliana on Apr 13, 2005 3:13 PM
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I buy clothes twice a year, I buy what I need and the best quality I can afford. I don't have a lot of clothes anymore, but what I have fits better and looks better.
I get good haircuts twice a year but I don't buy hair styling products. I buy sunblock, moisturizer, some make-up, and natural hygiene necessities, but nothing else. Toner is a marketing invention and face soap is no different than body soap, just marketed smartly. It's better to not use it at all on your face. Warm water works great.
I shop around the supermarket rather than on the islands in the middle and I get a lot of fresh produce, meat, milk and cheese. I don't buy anything overly packaged.
I made all these changes when I lost my job, but I kept it up even when I found a new job because I realized I don't have to waste time to manage my "possessions" anymore, simply because right now I own only what I know I'll use, not what I think I need. Even though I get better stuff, I spend probably 50% less than I used to. I don't shop sales and I rarely visit discount stores anymore.
It's awesome not to have to deal with clutter or bills.
My closets aren't bulging, my bathroom is tidy, and my house organized. I don't need clothes organizers, bill organizers, or any house management implements.
It feels good.
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Posted by: logrol62 on Apr 13, 2005 3:21 PM
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I'll do my business elsewhere from now on. It may cost a buck or two more, but at least I'll be able to shop in peace.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 3:58 PM
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Besides, even if you didn't need any extra money, how about all those starving people in Africa, India or even china that only cost pennies a day to feed? where is your Humanity for GOD"S sake? you don't have to SPECIFICALLY shop at Walmart! bESIDES, Walmart is a place where you buy your generics, the cheaper stuff before you go out and shopping! My grandmother was a well off lady, and she had no problem shopping at Walmart, for herself or her grandchildren. Maybe I should go tell her she can't shop there, and be like the rest of you snobby people who avoid Walmart!
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Shopping at WM is pathetic!!!! You know for certain that they have nothing but negative effects on every they touch; wages, benefits, worker safety, the environment, the trade deficit, etc, yet you still shop there. You're probably one of those people that whines about your lot in life, how you can never get ahead, save for your kid's college or your own retirement. You really need to stop and consider your actions. No one is telling you not to save money on your shopping; WM is not the only place to do that. You can do it at many local stores in your community if you take the time to look around and you would be doing some good for your local economy too. If you don't believe that WM is bad, watch Frontline on PBS. They did a show on WM last November. It would be very enlightening for you and the other WM lovers.
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In the city of Dongguan in southern Guangdong province, where Wal-Mart suppliers are concentrated, a 27-year-old worker who gave her name as Miss Qin complained that she can rarely afford meat with her $75-per-month wages at Kaida Toy Co. "Every day we eat vegetables, mostly we eat vegetables," she said, leaning over a plate of fried carrots in a dingy restaurant.
Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.
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Posted by: RevRick on Apr 14, 2005 11:25 AM
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If you look at The Hidden Cost of Wal-Mart Jobs you can see that Wal-Mart employees make on average 31% less than the industry average. Now you as a consumer might be so happy that you are saving 20% that you don't care about that. However as a taxpayer you might be concerned that Wal-Mart employee's cost the state of California an estimated $86 Million a year in public assistance ($32 Million on heath care, $54 Million in other assistance). Wal-Mart employee's use 40% more public assistance for heath care than the industry average. They also use 38% more assistance like food stamps, subsidized housing and school lunches.
So you save a little bit at the checkout. However if you shopped at a retailer that treated their employee's decently the owner wouldn't be eating steak on you as a previous poster suggested, but his employee's wouldn't need your taxes to pay for the basic needs of life, and you wouldn't need to pay for all of the overhead for the government to provide for these people. By the time the "savings" come back around as taxes you can bet it’s increased many times over just to pay for the assistance system itself.
Please try to look beyond the instant gratification of 20% savings at the checkout and consider the real cost of what you are doing.
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I understand that the Waltons are among the top ten riches people in the world. I also understand that Bill and Melinda Gates donated their entire stock dividends last year to charity. This figure was approximately 3 billion dollars. The Gates donated more money in one year than the Waltons have donated in their entire lifetime! How sad!
I refuse to shop Wally World!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 15, 2005 12:52 PM
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The commonality between all these negative truisms can be applied to most corporations. Walmart is just slightly worse, which is the reason for its success. Simply put, Walmart is the most successful at keeping its costs down.
Economic theory and plenty of empirical evidence suggests that when Walmart is lowering costs and clobbering the competition, overall society will gain, albeit their are many stakeholders who lose along the way.
Corporations, such as Walmart, are permitted to commit these negative truisms (ie lower costs) in the name of the greater good.
HOWEVER, governments have FAILED MISERABLY at compensating the losing stakeholders and spreading the overall benefits to broader society.
Walmart should not be blamed for cutting costs - it is nature of the corporation. If we want to maintain our standard of living, we must be prepared to deal with the social effects of a rapidly changing quasi-capitalist economy and the corporations that carry out its business.
Governments are not doing their job to protect citizens from the systematic injustices that arise as a result of our changing economy.
To protect the losing stakeholders in Walmart's expansion, government should:
(1) Lower taxes for the poor
(2) Provide unemployment insurance and training programs to facilitate career adjustment.
(3) Provide basic services for all citizens, including medicare.
(4) Raise taxes on the consumption of natural resources and pollution. (Currently Walmart customers are getting cheap good at the expense of future generations who will have to suffer and clean up the environmental mess.)
These steps will help allow society to take advantage of the gains brought about by Walmart's efficiency, while justly dealing with the losing stakeholders.
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(1) Promote unionization. This promotes inefficiencies and pay inequality. Overall, unionization does a diservice to the classes it purports to help. Lower taxes and better government services are a far more equitable and cost efficient option.
(2) Put up trade restrictions with China or other countries. Buying their goods helps them pull themselves out of the slummy, poverty in which they have lived for too long while concomitantly helping them throw off the yoke of authoritarianism. Rather, governments should tax environmental destruction - with this type of tax consumption and pollution levels can be reduced most efficiently to sustainable levels.
The Walmart issue is a poor choice of issues to pursue for progressives. Walmart does too much good in lowering the prices of goods for the lower-income segment of society. To oppose Walmart is in some way to oppose those whom progressives would like to help most.
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Posted by: pscholes18 on Apr 15, 2005 9:25 PM
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Take the space out between the slash and "frontline". The page wouldnt let me ue that many characters.
http://www.post-gazette.com /pg/05100/485943.stm
Again, take the space out between the slash and "com"
SHADY...THIS COMPANY IS SOO SHADY!!!! Watch, read and learn. I bet it wont sway you pro Walmart shoppers. Youll continue to support this evil UNamerican company.
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Providing a place of work for the non or under educated deserves restrained accolades. But remember, the company is striving to get the most out of all resources for the least amount of investment. This yields a higher return on net assets and thus improving the bottom line. So, make everyday decisions about where, why and how you spend your money understanding the long-term consequences. We operate with such convenience and laziness that we can only blame ourselves, the general public, for the monster we help create: Wal-Mart. We want to save $5 or $10 on a shirt so we can eat breakfast, lunch and dinner at Cracker Barrel.
America needs to get off its ass, snap out of this funk and THINK. If you are really going to "save" that 10%-20% that Wal-Mart is advertising, then what have we done with it. Show me how it has improved your life. If you think you have "saved" anything, you are grossly mistaken. Just look at what you have spent. When you buy something, regardless of where or for how much, you haven't saved anything; you simply SPENT less.
Corporate marketing has apparently worked its magic on the majority of the public, as I read the brainwashed comments of others. I guess some of us just don't get it. Until we wake-up, Wal-Mart will continue to get it. My suggestion is educate yourself. God bless.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 20, 2005 4:45 AM
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Look. People in general are struggling with minimum wage!
I have to laugh, because there is a bigger picture than WALMART. The manager I spoke with even agrees with me!
When I worked for Kmart a few years back, it was at MINIMUM WAGE.
However, when I worked for a small private fast food joint, it was MINIMUM WAGE.(14 yrs ago).
this is why I learned a trade so that I could get out of the minimum wage trap.
Now, what about the ones who produce for Walmart? lets say Walmart closes tomorrow. Those who produce for Walmart are now out of a Job. At least they can consider Walmart a starting point to sell their goods.
As for the cheapness of products, I haven't had any problems that I would have at any store. However, if I have a defective product, they have gone out of their way to satisfy me! (which did happen with a Bell + camera).
their Excellent customer service at least in this area keeps me coming back, and it also keeps many more coming back knowing they can return goods that do not meet their satisfaction!
Bash all you want, in the meantime I will enjoy my NEW "TOYS"!
So, now to the bigger picture, what is going on? how about a cheap exploitation of workers, in general? I can give you a list of terrible places to shop where the cashiers are rude, they won't let you have your money back after a bad purchase, or they track your returns and make you feel nervous! I have been told to LEAVE my purse behind the counter, and treated like a thief! (Walgreens, Hollywood video, Arizona Art Supply,Osco,CIrcle K) Just to name a few repeat offenders...I have been followed around in stores, and degraded. Why? because these shops are a bunch of Hypocrites! and, don't even get me started on the Rude shops with lousy customer service!(Sears,Dillards, Game stop, Burlington Coat factory) So, don't even get me started! I love to shop, I love great customer service, and I expecially LOVE a bargain! WALMART is the leader in all three of these areas!
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I have seen firsthand the company's policies on unions, wage increases and potential labor law issues. While I do not agree with all of them, it provided an opportunity to work at a living wage and attend college without mortgaging my future to student loans.
That being said, the American idea of "must have more" is the real issue, Wal-Mart is an easy target. We are innundated with this ideal that we must have more: from CDs to bigger homes to the latest SUV. Wal-Mart is merely catering to that ideal by offering a variety of products at lower prices than its competitors. Common sense would say that to offer the public what it wants, at prices it can afford, yields profit.
The real issue of conspicuous consumption is the fault of every American consumer who has forgotten the fundamental difference between need and want. We NEED clothing, we WANT the latest pair of designer jeans and athletic shoes. Perhaps in no way is this situation more egregiously exemplified than by the suburbanite idling a Hummer H2 in the drive-through lane at a local fast food joint. In the era of $2.00 gasoline, this feels more than excessive.
It is high time every one of us takes a hard look in the mirror and examines our own consumption. Are we buying a new pickup or SUV because we haul cargo or pull a trailer full of livestock, or because we want to impress the neighbors?!? Wal-Mart, despite its flaws, (and I implore anyone to find a corporation without many of the same) is not the source of this problem. It is every one of us who has gone to the credit card to buy something bigger and better, rather than paying cash for just enough.
The 20th century is over, has been for years. Every penny must be counted and every drop of gasoline used must be maximized. And for God's sake, if you are one of those who feel a new Hummer is your hard-earned right, turn that overgrown gas guzzling engine off, walk INTO the fast-food restaurant and order in person. You'll save a few pennies at the gas pump and be doing your part, however small, to preserve what natural resources we have left. Grand sacrifices by few will not suffice, but small sacrifices by many will be a step in the right direction.
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The system has evolved so that the most ruthless player gets the ball and everything is fine as long as its not me getting shafted. Until you find yourself becoming the loser you used to pity, working the night shift at w-mart, after losing your good paying manufacturing job (are there any left?) THEN you might ask yourself "what happened to my dream?" But hey, you don't HAVE to work there, right?
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I am very suspicious and uneasy...
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My children can't tell the difference if I buy at Wal-mart or Toys R Us once I take the tags off.
My sister works for Walmart and gets profit share and can buy stocks directly. She has worked for two other companies and said she would have been far better off had she always worked for Walmart.
Walmart promotes people who don't have a college education.
The newspapers are 99% owned by huge conglomerates even though they have kept the small town names. They endorse Republicans.
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Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 13, 2005 8:53 AM
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Thanking you in advance, I REMAIN TRULY YOURS!!!
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:54 AM
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If Wallmart is paying low wages, petition state and federal governments to raise minimum wage and/or lower taxes for low-income earners and increase social spending (e.g. health care).
If Wallmart is making it too easy and cheap to buy things, thus fueling out-of-control consumption that destroys the environment, petition consumers to reduce consumption and petition governments to start taxing environmental destruction (e.g. gasoline tax to raise cost the of transporting these goods thus reducing demand).
Stop petitioning Wallmart. It is a corporation - it cannot be blamed for trying to make money within the confines of the law.
In fact, as pointed out by another commentary above, Wallmart charges 10% to 20% less for the same products sold elsewhere. The biggest beneficiary of this are consumers, especially low income earners. Wallmart is able to achieve these cost reductions by volume-buying and price-squeezing its suppliers and passing those cost reductions onto the less rich people who go to its stores. It also saves money through efficiency, which it also passes on to its customers.
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:59 AM
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Since the arrival of Wallmart, many of the stores downtown were forced to close.
Many of the people who now shop at Wallmart have more money to save and spend on other things.
Now, my downtown is going through a sort-of renaissance. Old, crappy boutiques that closed when Wallmart came, are re-opening as cafes and restaurants, where the locals spend their newfound money.
I am glad that Wallmart came to my town.
Although I am glad that I am not personally working at Wallmart, I suppose it would be better than having no job. Unemployment has gone down since Wallmart came.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 1:08 PM
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as for LOW wages, we got all the low wages here in Arizona!
even our markets that AREN'T Walmart pay 5.15 hr part time. they no longer have full time, and they are UNION!!!!
I am not $Moneybags$ ok? so, if I can get a shirt that costs 40$ in the mall, and 10$ for the same one at walmart, well, you got it! I am gonna save that 30$ and either save it, or buy 3 more like it!
We, as Americans, (or at least this one) need to save for retirement. I can stick that 30$ in my account (or in my case, under the mattress) and go around enjoying life just like every other American! If anything, Walmart made buying items possible by having the lowest prices. It does not mean I do not shop other places, I just spend my money a bit wiser than I used to.
We have 24/7 open walmarts here, and I love shopping early in the morning around 2 am or 3 when everyone else is asleep! Stores have alot to learn from Walmart, they know how to accomodate consumer with awesome prices and flexibility. Bankers hours don't work, people! expecially for us night owls. before Walmart, we were basically left in the dark. So, I will continue to shop walmart because I am a consumer who has ADAPTED to not shopping in malls and enjoys saving a buck or two!
as for employees working for minimum wage, it is not like they HAVE to work there, they would find the same thing going on at frys, food city, kmart, target, etc.... why is walmart getting all the slack????
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One person mentioned that he needed to save for his retirement, and that by buying a shirt $30 cheaper he could therefore save that money.
I would hazard to guess that perhaps he, like most of us, didn't need that shirt in the first place. It's my point that Wal-Mart robs us of money by enticing us with overwhelming choices at prices we can't refuse. When the day is over, if one spends $60 at Wal-Mart, what has one bought that is really of any value? Chances are you didn't need any of it, and therefore $60 dollars is now lost. The main principle of saving is thrift, not thrifty spending. Most of it is of poor quality anyway, and you'll be back to replace it. That's double the loss.
Now factor in that Wal-Marts strives to avoid local property tax, are hugh importers that send your dollars overseas, do not return. If that is a net gain to you and your community, you're math is fuzzy. It's about more than your closet full of yard-sale items. And there in lays the problem with your economy. Ours too.
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Posted by: heliana on Apr 13, 2005 3:13 PM
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I buy clothes twice a year, I buy what I need and the best quality I can afford. I don't have a lot of clothes anymore, but what I have fits better and looks better.
I get good haircuts twice a year but I don't buy hair styling products. I buy sunblock, moisturizer, some make-up, and natural hygiene necessities, but nothing else. Toner is a marketing invention and face soap is no different than body soap, just marketed smartly. It's better to not use it at all on your face. Warm water works great.
I shop around the supermarket rather than on the islands in the middle and I get a lot of fresh produce, meat, milk and cheese. I don't buy anything overly packaged.
I made all these changes when I lost my job, but I kept it up even when I found a new job because I realized I don't have to waste time to manage my "possessions" anymore, simply because right now I own only what I know I'll use, not what I think I need. Even though I get better stuff, I spend probably 50% less than I used to. I don't shop sales and I rarely visit discount stores anymore.
It's awesome not to have to deal with clutter or bills.
My closets aren't bulging, my bathroom is tidy, and my house organized. I don't need clothes organizers, bill organizers, or any house management implements.
It feels good.
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I'll do my business elsewhere from now on. It may cost a buck or two more, but at least I'll be able to shop in peace.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 3:58 PM
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Besides, even if you didn't need any extra money, how about all those starving people in Africa, India or even china that only cost pennies a day to feed? where is your Humanity for GOD"S sake? you don't have to SPECIFICALLY shop at Walmart! bESIDES, Walmart is a place where you buy your generics, the cheaper stuff before you go out and shopping! My grandmother was a well off lady, and she had no problem shopping at Walmart, for herself or her grandchildren. Maybe I should go tell her she can't shop there, and be like the rest of you snobby people who avoid Walmart!
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Shopping at WM is pathetic!!!! You know for certain that they have nothing but negative effects on every they touch; wages, benefits, worker safety, the environment, the trade deficit, etc, yet you still shop there. You're probably one of those people that whines about your lot in life, how you can never get ahead, save for your kid's college or your own retirement. You really need to stop and consider your actions. No one is telling you not to save money on your shopping; WM is not the only place to do that. You can do it at many local stores in your community if you take the time to look around and you would be doing some good for your local economy too. If you don't believe that WM is bad, watch Frontline on PBS. They did a show on WM last November. It would be very enlightening for you and the other WM lovers.
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In the city of Dongguan in southern Guangdong province, where Wal-Mart suppliers are concentrated, a 27-year-old worker who gave her name as Miss Qin complained that she can rarely afford meat with her $75-per-month wages at Kaida Toy Co. "Every day we eat vegetables, mostly we eat vegetables," she said, leaning over a plate of fried carrots in a dingy restaurant.
Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.
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Posted by: mrsmagoo on Apr 14, 2005 8:21 AM
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Posted by: RevRick on Apr 14, 2005 11:25 AM
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If you look at The Hidden Cost of Wal-Mart Jobs you can see that Wal-Mart employees make on average 31% less than the industry average. Now you as a consumer might be so happy that you are saving 20% that you don't care about that. However as a taxpayer you might be concerned that Wal-Mart employee's cost the state of California an estimated $86 Million a year in public assistance ($32 Million on heath care, $54 Million in other assistance). Wal-Mart employee's use 40% more public assistance for heath care than the industry average. They also use 38% more assistance like food stamps, subsidized housing and school lunches.
So you save a little bit at the checkout. However if you shopped at a retailer that treated their employee's decently the owner wouldn't be eating steak on you as a previous poster suggested, but his employee's wouldn't need your taxes to pay for the basic needs of life, and you wouldn't need to pay for all of the overhead for the government to provide for these people. By the time the "savings" come back around as taxes you can bet it’s increased many times over just to pay for the assistance system itself.
Please try to look beyond the instant gratification of 20% savings at the checkout and consider the real cost of what you are doing.
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Posted by: tinaja on Apr 14, 2005 11:49 AM
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I understand that the Waltons are among the top ten riches people in the world. I also understand that Bill and Melinda Gates donated their entire stock dividends last year to charity. This figure was approximately 3 billion dollars. The Gates donated more money in one year than the Waltons have donated in their entire lifetime! How sad!
I refuse to shop Wally World!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 15, 2005 11:52 AM
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 15, 2005 12:52 PM
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The commonality between all these negative truisms can be applied to most corporations. Walmart is just slightly worse, which is the reason for its success. Simply put, Walmart is the most successful at keeping its costs down.
Economic theory and plenty of empirical evidence suggests that when Walmart is lowering costs and clobbering the competition, overall society will gain, albeit their are many stakeholders who lose along the way.
Corporations, such as Walmart, are permitted to commit these negative truisms (ie lower costs) in the name of the greater good.
HOWEVER, governments have FAILED MISERABLY at compensating the losing stakeholders and spreading the overall benefits to broader society.
Walmart should not be blamed for cutting costs - it is nature of the corporation. If we want to maintain our standard of living, we must be prepared to deal with the social effects of a rapidly changing quasi-capitalist economy and the corporations that carry out its business.
Governments are not doing their job to protect citizens from the systematic injustices that arise as a result of our changing economy.
To protect the losing stakeholders in Walmart's expansion, government should:
(1) Lower taxes for the poor
(2) Provide unemployment insurance and training programs to facilitate career adjustment.
(3) Provide basic services for all citizens, including medicare.
(4) Raise taxes on the consumption of natural resources and pollution. (Currently Walmart customers are getting cheap good at the expense of future generations who will have to suffer and clean up the environmental mess.)
These steps will help allow society to take advantage of the gains brought about by Walmart's efficiency, while justly dealing with the losing stakeholders.
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Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 15, 2005 12:54 PM
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(1) Promote unionization. This promotes inefficiencies and pay inequality. Overall, unionization does a diservice to the classes it purports to help. Lower taxes and better government services are a far more equitable and cost efficient option.
(2) Put up trade restrictions with China or other countries. Buying their goods helps them pull themselves out of the slummy, poverty in which they have lived for too long while concomitantly helping them throw off the yoke of authoritarianism. Rather, governments should tax environmental destruction - with this type of tax consumption and pollution levels can be reduced most efficiently to sustainable levels.
The Walmart issue is a poor choice of issues to pursue for progressives. Walmart does too much good in lowering the prices of goods for the lower-income segment of society. To oppose Walmart is in some way to oppose those whom progressives would like to help most.
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Posted by: pscholes18 on Apr 15, 2005 9:25 PM
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Take the space out between the slash and "frontline". The page wouldnt let me ue that many characters.
http://www.post-gazette.com /pg/05100/485943.stm
Again, take the space out between the slash and "com"
SHADY...THIS COMPANY IS SOO SHADY!!!! Watch, read and learn. I bet it wont sway you pro Walmart shoppers. Youll continue to support this evil UNamerican company.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 17, 2005 10:27 AM
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Posted by: minimalist on Apr 19, 2005 8:28 PM
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Providing a place of work for the non or under educated deserves restrained accolades. But remember, the company is striving to get the most out of all resources for the least amount of investment. This yields a higher return on net assets and thus improving the bottom line. So, make everyday decisions about where, why and how you spend your money understanding the long-term consequences. We operate with such convenience and laziness that we can only blame ourselves, the general public, for the monster we help create: Wal-Mart. We want to save $5 or $10 on a shirt so we can eat breakfast, lunch and dinner at Cracker Barrel.
America needs to get off its ass, snap out of this funk and THINK. If you are really going to "save" that 10%-20% that Wal-Mart is advertising, then what have we done with it. Show me how it has improved your life. If you think you have "saved" anything, you are grossly mistaken. Just look at what you have spent. When you buy something, regardless of where or for how much, you haven't saved anything; you simply SPENT less.
Corporate marketing has apparently worked its magic on the majority of the public, as I read the brainwashed comments of others. I guess some of us just don't get it. Until we wake-up, Wal-Mart will continue to get it. My suggestion is educate yourself. God bless.
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 20, 2005 4:45 AM
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Look. People in general are struggling with minimum wage!
I have to laugh, because there is a bigger picture than WALMART. The manager I spoke with even agrees with me!
When I worked for Kmart a few years back, it was at MINIMUM WAGE.
However, when I worked for a small private fast food joint, it was MINIMUM WAGE.(14 yrs ago).
this is why I learned a trade so that I could get out of the minimum wage trap.
Now, what about the ones who produce for Walmart? lets say Walmart closes tomorrow. Those who produce for Walmart are now out of a Job. At least they can consider Walmart a starting point to sell their goods.
As for the cheapness of products, I haven't had any problems that I would have at any store. However, if I have a defective product, they have gone out of their way to satisfy me! (which did happen with a Bell + camera).
their Excellent customer service at least in this area keeps me coming back, and it also keeps many more coming back knowing they can return goods that do not meet their satisfaction!
Bash all you want, in the meantime I will enjoy my NEW "TOYS"!
So, now to the bigger picture, what is going on? how about a cheap exploitation of workers, in general? I can give you a list of terrible places to shop where the cashiers are rude, they won't let you have your money back after a bad purchase, or they track your returns and make you feel nervous! I have been told to LEAVE my purse behind the counter, and treated like a thief! (Walgreens, Hollywood video, Arizona Art Supply,Osco,CIrcle K) Just to name a few repeat offenders...I have been followed around in stores, and degraded. Why? because these shops are a bunch of Hypocrites! and, don't even get me started on the Rude shops with lousy customer service!(Sears,Dillards, Game stop, Burlington Coat factory) So, don't even get me started! I love to shop, I love great customer service, and I expecially LOVE a bargain! WALMART is the leader in all three of these areas!
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Posted by: t_bird429 on Apr 21, 2005 12:15 AM
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I have seen firsthand the company's policies on unions, wage increases and potential labor law issues. While I do not agree with all of them, it provided an opportunity to work at a living wage and attend college without mortgaging my future to student loans.
That being said, the American idea of "must have more" is the real issue, Wal-Mart is an easy target. We are innundated with this ideal that we must have more: from CDs to bigger homes to the latest SUV. Wal-Mart is merely catering to that ideal by offering a variety of products at lower prices than its competitors. Common sense would say that to offer the public what it wants, at prices it can afford, yields profit.
The real issue of conspicuous consumption is the fault of every American consumer who has forgotten the fundamental difference between need and want. We NEED clothing, we WANT the latest pair of designer jeans and athletic shoes. Perhaps in no way is this situation more egregiously exemplified than by the suburbanite idling a Hummer H2 in the drive-through lane at a local fast food joint. In the era of $2.00 gasoline, this feels more than excessive.
It is high time every one of us takes a hard look in the mirror and examines our own consumption. Are we buying a new pickup or SUV because we haul cargo or pull a trailer full of livestock, or because we want to impress the neighbors?!? Wal-Mart, despite its flaws, (and I implore anyone to find a corporation without many of the same) is not the source of this problem. It is every one of us who has gone to the credit card to buy something bigger and better, rather than paying cash for just enough.
The 20th century is over, has been for years. Every penny must be counted and every drop of gasoline used must be maximized. And for God's sake, if you are one of those who feel a new Hummer is your hard-earned right, turn that overgrown gas guzzling engine off, walk INTO the fast-food restaurant and order in person. You'll save a few pennies at the gas pump and be doing your part, however small, to preserve what natural resources we have left. Grand sacrifices by few will not suffice, but small sacrifices by many will be a step in the right direction.
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Posted by: ml570101 on Jun 2, 2005 1:50 AM
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The system has evolved so that the most ruthless player gets the ball and everything is fine as long as its not me getting shafted. Until you find yourself becoming the loser you used to pity, working the night shift at w-mart, after losing your good paying manufacturing job (are there any left?) THEN you might ask yourself "what happened to my dream?" But hey, you don't HAVE to work there, right?
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