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Why Can't the Corporate Media Just Tell the Truth About Iraq & Afghanistan?
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When it comes to the media and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – as in many things – John Lennon put it best: I’m sick and tired of hearing things/From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics/All I want is the truth/Just gimme some truth.”
To my surprise, I finally got some truth about the war in Iraq from the New York Times this week.
Given the abysmal cheerleading that has largely marked mainstream media coverage of that misbegotten adventure since its inception – and the Paper of Record has certainly been no exception -- it was even more surprising that the truth came from Alissa J. Rubin, a leading member of what NBC News’ chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel recently dubbed “the Baghdad class of 2003.”
The occasion should be duly noted and even lauded.
Writing in this Sunday’s Week in Review section, Rubin began by noting, “I came to Iraq three days after Saddam Hussein fled Baghdad. It was April 12, 2003. At the time, Iraqis bristled when asked if they were Sunni, Shiite or Kurd. It made no difference, they said, they were brothers. And, in the heady aftermath of the war, for a short while it almost seemed true.”
It almost seemed true -- but it wasn’t quite, not really…
It almost seemed true -- but only to those seemingly true believers, who saw only what they wanted to see… Count among them, of course, George Bush, Dick Cheney and their many minions – but count also the Times, its editors and correspondents like Rubin, along with most of the rest of the mainstream media – those who should have known better and acted differently, but who instead quickly fell into line, gullibly accepting the government’s lies and parroting its compulsory, embedded phony patriotism, to their ever-lasting shame and America’s and Iraq’s ever-lasting sorrow and pain.
Now here’s some truth: “I should have been the canary in the coal mine,” Alissa Rubin wrote this week in the New York Times. “But like so many others around me, I did not want to believe what I saw.”
Now that the Baghdad class of 2003 has suddenly and alarmingly morphed into “the Kabul class of 2009” – yes, Rubin’s covering the new/old war in Afghanistan now – here’s hoping, as I put it in my last post, “We don’t get schooled again.”
Perhaps there is a scintilla of hope. After all, Rubin is finally at least asking the right questions: “What are the lessons of Iraq that I carry with me?” And she is warning us in advance this time, “For outsiders, there is a familiar struggle to see the place as it truly is, not as we might wish it would be.”
And what do we outsiders wish to believe in Iraq and Afghanistan? To Rubin, that much at least is clear:
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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 AM
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» Exactly. It's a deck of lies.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 AM
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Indict Miller and her arrogant, deceitful editors on civil/criminal charges of conspiracy to commit fraud, the 1st claimants are the families of those killed and injured in Iraq.
Indict Larry Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder at the WTC.
See MSM for exactly what it is an accomplice to the crimes - they drove the getaway car right into our living room.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 AM
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People don't want to hear about conflict, that is where they are wrong. What people want to hear about is solutions.
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Posted by: Marlena on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 AM
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Americans wanted to believe that their version of democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq — a peaceful multiethnic, multireligious society adhering to the rule of law
No wonder most of us are led around like sheep!!
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 4, 2009 5:46 AM
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For example... have you EVER heard much discussion in the media about the US's past activities in Iraq and Afghanistan and how they might effect how people of those nations feel about us today? Of course not!
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 AM
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Thanks. For my part (although I should go back and read my blog to make sure of this), I always believed that Iraq would be an enormously difficult endeavor, taking years of occupation and billions of dollars.
But looking back, I think I didn't fully realize the radical utopianism of some of the people I was backing. I also wrongly believed that the WMD threat was so real we had no choice; and I felt that the danger of radical Islam so profound that some space for democratic change in Iraq was essential to winning the long war.
Part of me still believes that. On this book tour, I don't have time right now to say more. But I hope to synthesize some of your points into a real piece soon that grapples with this deep question - and what it means for what we do now.
Hi Andrew,
I have not been a big reader of yours because I always felt my husband would tell me whatever you are saying but he is out of town right now so I checked you out, see what's up.
When I read the above I realized it was YOU I have been arguing with all this time! You swallowed their dirty story and my husband swallowed your analysis, totally! But he fights with me, your 'beliefs' were strongly defended in my domicile. You should really pride yourself for being so effective! I was almost thrown out of my home on more than one occasion over your 'facts" since Bush took office. (As a man, you are oh so much more believable then I ever could be, you are always held as a higher authority, a truly reliable source. I was judged horribly wrong for disagreeing.)
So, now that I have annoyed you, I am writing today to beg you a favor, I need to get a new 'fact' exposed. I know folks in New York City really don't care about California or federal pot laws and would like to see all us Hippies fall right into the sea, but could SOMEONE PLEASE NOTICE there is *theoretically* an election out here for the Senator.
Todd Chretien is running on the Green platform. I want his campaign to get SOME media attention, this is for the Senate.
My local paper doesn't know his name or "have staff" to cover his election. The LA Times told me he wasn't a story because he hasn't been on TV (wrong, O'Reily had him on 3X). This smells suddenly like a huge stinking cover-up to me, a rat to throw the election off to the war mongers. (Please have an open mind here, don't dismiss me. I was right when you were wrong before.)
A fixed shoe-in for the dirty drug warring Dainne is NOT a fair election! Please, don't let our yellow press get away with it.
Andrew, your blank check trust of the system has fairly fucked over my marriage, it is on the rocks. Could you please do me this one personal favor, to make amends? Please. Please check into the paticulars of the Feinstein wash up of the California senate race, OK? I would really appreciate it if our Green candidate got some kind of media break. Can you do that? Thank you.
I have been invited to join a rally on Halloween to present signatures to Nanci Pelosi. Do you know what I am doing for my people? I am Dancing my people, the Native American people, right out of the closet into a new age of religious freedom. I will be carrying my storm shield for the Rainbow Tribe, for our freedom. I have plenty ideas about world peace and "what we do now". I am a trained leader, with vision.
Please, please check into the senate race for me. Thank you.
Lauren
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Posted by: Comrade Rutherford on Nov 4, 2009 6:13 AM
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM
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You were used, abused, ridden hard, and put up wet.
Darlin', you should be as angry as a wet hen, but you are still making noises like "he does love me, really!" But I guess denial is all a part of keeping your job, so I do understand where you are coming from.
The good news is that "the Paper of Record" still does make a good liner for the birdcage.
Pax...
Pope Urban XXIII
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 AM
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Seeing with rose-colored glasses, yes, I saw that, but it doesn't really say anything. How did Iraq get from insisting they all were "brothers" to killing each other en masse? What was the US role in that?
Too much is missing here. Granted, people won't read 7-page articles, but even one more page would have helped.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM
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Here's how it really played out:
Alissa Rubin, NYT: "Some very powerful and wealthy corporate Americans wanted to believe that their version of corporate democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq..."
Fixed by Susan Chira, Alissa's NYT editor: "Americans wanted to believe that their version of democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq..."
See? Alissa's a victim, just like us... In Paris!
Carry on.
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Posted by: Gor on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM
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The memory of that day the war started is so vivid. I felt sad and defeated because I new that thousands of innocents would die for nothing. There was a lot of jingoism in the air. You could hardly find anybody who could say that it was a wrong idea. On that evening I went to a regular bar and everybody was upbeat and in support of the war. Except for an old men who ran a scrap iron business nearby. He gave me a very convincing argument why the war was a dumb idea. He did not need to convince since I already knew that the WMD was a lie. What surprised me was the fact that an American of his age would be so well informed as to hold such a view when everybody around me was busy cheering for the war. Many of those who turned against the war did so not because it was immoral but because it was taking too long to “win”
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Posted by: james108 on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 PM
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The thing is, you have two parties with complete strangle holds on our country, and they are both vested in the neocon globalist whitewash. That's why Obama stood against Bush's impeachment. That's why Obama's using similar weapons of mass destruction rhetoric on Iran, hypocritically, while ignoring Iran's actual compliance with inspections and natural right to nuclear technology, and Israel's blatant refusal to comply with inspections of their weapons facilities. Iran has broken no international laws in regards to nuclear technology, and Israel ignores the laws on weapons, but we want something Iran has so there you go.
It's about excuse and simplistic, nationalist rhetoric that both parties, which happen to run things, rely on while they fight over which faction wins the pie. Current corporate news media with their monopolies are too reliant on the political monopoly they're in bed with the keep the strangle hold going. Heck, they even got the FCC & FTC to go after bloggers who make claims outside of their controlled "traditional media", while exempting big news corporations from the same disclosure rules.
The only way they can keep up this kind of charade if is democrats and republicans lie their butts off, covering for each other's big lies in retrospect, throwing around trivial stuff while a colluding media helps them distract by not mentioning certain realities. It would sound too dumb if they said it out loud... "The US allows Israel to rebuff requests for inspection, but threatens murderous sanctions or military action on Iran even though they allow inspections because they might possibly have the capability to produce a fraction of the weapons the US and Israel harbor". Sounds silly if you say it out loud.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM
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For some reason not only can I not comment on the site, but I also don't receive the email they theoretically send to me. Perhaps that is what the government does sometimes to keep us from communicating with each other. I doubt Congress would want it exposed that they do that to us.
Here is my note,
Special election, California 10
I wanted to let you know since I am being prevented from posting on your site somehow, that the media is most likely ignoring the Ca 10 race because of me.
But actually I think I am not being allowed to post here for a super good spy reason. What do you think it is?
Sister Lauren Unruh
THC Ministry
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM
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I am looking forward to a guy who understands the insurance industry joining the think tank we call Congress.
The Repug trolls are out in full force against him. That must mean he is a good guy, they wouldn't attack him like that if they weren't afraid of him.
What is sad is how MSNBC is tossing their credibility right out the window on this vote. All day long yesterday and today, nothing but New York and New Jersey, New York and New Jersey. The MSNBC message to the west could not be more clear.
25 minutes into Chris Mathews' show and NO mention of the golden state. It is like we don't even f*cking exist.
I am deeply disappointed in this failure to cover 'politics'. I think we better consider it a failure of truth in advertising, in other words, fraud.
If they can't even mention California while opining about 'kids' who came out last time for Obama, they are just NOT "the place for politics."
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 7:27 PM
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A New Era for U.S. Drug Policy?
This jumped out at me as the kind of thing to look our for,
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, offered an amendment explicitly forbidding any recommendations that even discuss drug decriminalization or legalization.
Uh, isn't that an unconstitutional limitation of free speech? What is his reasoning? Or should I say unreasoning?
I really would like to know why he thinks it is so important that we are not to even be allowed to talk about it. I would really like to know.
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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 AM
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» Exactly. It's a deck of lies.
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» Love of money is an illness
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 AM
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Indict Miller and her arrogant, deceitful editors on civil/criminal charges of conspiracy to commit fraud, the 1st claimants are the families of those killed and injured in Iraq.
Indict Larry Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder at the WTC.
See MSM for exactly what it is an accomplice to the crimes - they drove the getaway car right into our living room.
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» Never mind dithered. He's AlterNet's local version of National Socialist lite.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 4, 2009 3:50 AM
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Hating ACORN
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 AM
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People don't want to hear about conflict, that is where they are wrong. What people want to hear about is solutions.
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Posted by: Marlena on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 AM
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Americans wanted to believe that their version of democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq — a peaceful multiethnic, multireligious society adhering to the rule of law
No wonder most of us are led around like sheep!!
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 4, 2009 5:46 AM
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For example... have you EVER heard much discussion in the media about the US's past activities in Iraq and Afghanistan and how they might effect how people of those nations feel about us today? Of course not!
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 AM
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Thanks. For my part (although I should go back and read my blog to make sure of this), I always believed that Iraq would be an enormously difficult endeavor, taking years of occupation and billions of dollars.
But looking back, I think I didn't fully realize the radical utopianism of some of the people I was backing. I also wrongly believed that the WMD threat was so real we had no choice; and I felt that the danger of radical Islam so profound that some space for democratic change in Iraq was essential to winning the long war.
Part of me still believes that. On this book tour, I don't have time right now to say more. But I hope to synthesize some of your points into a real piece soon that grapples with this deep question - and what it means for what we do now.
Hi Andrew,
I have not been a big reader of yours because I always felt my husband would tell me whatever you are saying but he is out of town right now so I checked you out, see what's up.
When I read the above I realized it was YOU I have been arguing with all this time! You swallowed their dirty story and my husband swallowed your analysis, totally! But he fights with me, your 'beliefs' were strongly defended in my domicile. You should really pride yourself for being so effective! I was almost thrown out of my home on more than one occasion over your 'facts" since Bush took office. (As a man, you are oh so much more believable then I ever could be, you are always held as a higher authority, a truly reliable source. I was judged horribly wrong for disagreeing.)
So, now that I have annoyed you, I am writing today to beg you a favor, I need to get a new 'fact' exposed. I know folks in New York City really don't care about California or federal pot laws and would like to see all us Hippies fall right into the sea, but could SOMEONE PLEASE NOTICE there is *theoretically* an election out here for the Senator.
Todd Chretien is running on the Green platform. I want his campaign to get SOME media attention, this is for the Senate.
My local paper doesn't know his name or "have staff" to cover his election. The LA Times told me he wasn't a story because he hasn't been on TV (wrong, O'Reily had him on 3X). This smells suddenly like a huge stinking cover-up to me, a rat to throw the election off to the war mongers. (Please have an open mind here, don't dismiss me. I was right when you were wrong before.)
A fixed shoe-in for the dirty drug warring Dainne is NOT a fair election! Please, don't let our yellow press get away with it.
Andrew, your blank check trust of the system has fairly fucked over my marriage, it is on the rocks. Could you please do me this one personal favor, to make amends? Please. Please check into the paticulars of the Feinstein wash up of the California senate race, OK? I would really appreciate it if our Green candidate got some kind of media break. Can you do that? Thank you.
I have been invited to join a rally on Halloween to present signatures to Nanci Pelosi. Do you know what I am doing for my people? I am Dancing my people, the Native American people, right out of the closet into a new age of religious freedom. I will be carrying my storm shield for the Rainbow Tribe, for our freedom. I have plenty ideas about world peace and "what we do now". I am a trained leader, with vision.
Please, please check into the senate race for me. Thank you.
Lauren
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» So the world revolves around bat-s**t crazy Lauren.
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Posted by: Comrade Rutherford on Nov 4, 2009 6:13 AM
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 AM
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You were used, abused, ridden hard, and put up wet.
Darlin', you should be as angry as a wet hen, but you are still making noises like "he does love me, really!" But I guess denial is all a part of keeping your job, so I do understand where you are coming from.
The good news is that "the Paper of Record" still does make a good liner for the birdcage.
Pax...
Pope Urban XXIII
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Posted by: mattwoolery on Nov 4, 2009 7:09 AM
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Posted by: darkmark on Nov 4, 2009 7:19 AM
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Posted by: grn1 on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 AM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM
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» 9 years? Its been a whoooole lot longer than that.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 AM
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Seeing with rose-colored glasses, yes, I saw that, but it doesn't really say anything. How did Iraq get from insisting they all were "brothers" to killing each other en masse? What was the US role in that?
Too much is missing here. Granted, people won't read 7-page articles, but even one more page would have helped.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM
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Here's how it really played out:
Alissa Rubin, NYT: "Some very powerful and wealthy corporate Americans wanted to believe that their version of corporate democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq..."
Fixed by Susan Chira, Alissa's NYT editor: "Americans wanted to believe that their version of democracy was just waiting to spring to life in Iraq..."
See? Alissa's a victim, just like us... In Paris!
Carry on.
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Posted by: Gor on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM
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The memory of that day the war started is so vivid. I felt sad and defeated because I new that thousands of innocents would die for nothing. There was a lot of jingoism in the air. You could hardly find anybody who could say that it was a wrong idea. On that evening I went to a regular bar and everybody was upbeat and in support of the war. Except for an old men who ran a scrap iron business nearby. He gave me a very convincing argument why the war was a dumb idea. He did not need to convince since I already knew that the WMD was a lie. What surprised me was the fact that an American of his age would be so well informed as to hold such a view when everybody around me was busy cheering for the war. Many of those who turned against the war did so not because it was immoral but because it was taking too long to “win”
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Posted by: james108 on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 PM
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The thing is, you have two parties with complete strangle holds on our country, and they are both vested in the neocon globalist whitewash. That's why Obama stood against Bush's impeachment. That's why Obama's using similar weapons of mass destruction rhetoric on Iran, hypocritically, while ignoring Iran's actual compliance with inspections and natural right to nuclear technology, and Israel's blatant refusal to comply with inspections of their weapons facilities. Iran has broken no international laws in regards to nuclear technology, and Israel ignores the laws on weapons, but we want something Iran has so there you go.
It's about excuse and simplistic, nationalist rhetoric that both parties, which happen to run things, rely on while they fight over which faction wins the pie. Current corporate news media with their monopolies are too reliant on the political monopoly they're in bed with the keep the strangle hold going. Heck, they even got the FCC & FTC to go after bloggers who make claims outside of their controlled "traditional media", while exempting big news corporations from the same disclosure rules.
The only way they can keep up this kind of charade if is democrats and republicans lie their butts off, covering for each other's big lies in retrospect, throwing around trivial stuff while a colluding media helps them distract by not mentioning certain realities. It would sound too dumb if they said it out loud... "The US allows Israel to rebuff requests for inspection, but threatens murderous sanctions or military action on Iran even though they allow inspections because they might possibly have the capability to produce a fraction of the weapons the US and Israel harbor". Sounds silly if you say it out loud.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM
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For some reason not only can I not comment on the site, but I also don't receive the email they theoretically send to me. Perhaps that is what the government does sometimes to keep us from communicating with each other. I doubt Congress would want it exposed that they do that to us.
Here is my note,
Special election, California 10
I wanted to let you know since I am being prevented from posting on your site somehow, that the media is most likely ignoring the Ca 10 race because of me.
But actually I think I am not being allowed to post here for a super good spy reason. What do you think it is?
Sister Lauren Unruh
THC Ministry
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» RE: MSNBC - - - California 10 press coverage - nada only two states matter to them
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM
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I am looking forward to a guy who understands the insurance industry joining the think tank we call Congress.
The Repug trolls are out in full force against him. That must mean he is a good guy, they wouldn't attack him like that if they weren't afraid of him.
What is sad is how MSNBC is tossing their credibility right out the window on this vote. All day long yesterday and today, nothing but New York and New Jersey, New York and New Jersey. The MSNBC message to the west could not be more clear.
25 minutes into Chris Mathews' show and NO mention of the golden state. It is like we don't even f*cking exist.
I am deeply disappointed in this failure to cover 'politics'. I think we better consider it a failure of truth in advertising, in other words, fraud.
If they can't even mention California while opining about 'kids' who came out last time for Obama, they are just NOT "the place for politics."
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 4, 2009 7:27 PM
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A New Era for U.S. Drug Policy?
This jumped out at me as the kind of thing to look our for,
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, offered an amendment explicitly forbidding any recommendations that even discuss drug decriminalization or legalization.
Uh, isn't that an unconstitutional limitation of free speech? What is his reasoning? Or should I say unreasoning?
I really would like to know why he thinks it is so important that we are not to even be allowed to talk about it. I would really like to know.
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