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How Could It Be Against the Law to Spread Public Information?

By Charles Mostoller, AlterNet. Posted October 29, 2009.


An activist shared on Twitter what he heard on his police scanner, and now faces serious federal investigation.
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The hazmat team rushed into Elliot Madison's home in Queens, N.Y., and headed straight for the kombucha tea brewing in a corner, assuming that the outspoken anarchist was concocting a chemical weapon.

Now Madison, 41 -- who is under investigation by a federal grand jury for violations of a rarely used anti-riot statute -- has denounced the probe as politically motivated and in violation his constitutional rights.

Madison was arrested on Sept. 24 at a hotel outside Pittsburgh, accused under Pennsylvania law of aiding protesters at the G20 Summit by listening to a police scanner and then sending out Twitter feeds on the location of police, helping protesters to avoid arrest.

Madison denied any wrongdoing and said his use of Twitter is speech protected by the First Amendment. His lawyer said that Madison is being persecuted for his beliefs and activism.

"It's purely political," his lawyer, Martin R. Stolar, said. "The government is trying to say that anarchists are the equivalents of terrorists, just like it is trying to say that protesters are the equivalents of terrorists."

On Oct. 16, a federal grand jury in the Brooklyn Eastern District Court announced a separate investigation into Madison -- an outspoken proponent of anarchism and political dissent -- for violations of the Anti-Riot Act.

The act was first used to prosecute Abbie Hoffman and the Chicago Seven after protests at the Chicago Democratic National Convention in 1968 and has rarely been used since.

One of the lawyers who defended the Chicago Seven in court 40 years ago, Leonard I. Weinglass, said the government's attempt to silence social-media communication by demonstrators at the G20 protests was hypocritical.

"In Iran, demonstrators were lauded for using it," he said. "Now that it is being used here for identical purposes it is being criminalized."

The FBI and a joint terrorism task force searched Madison's Jackson Heights home on Oct. 3 for over 16 hours. Agents scoured the property and took dozens of items, including books on anarchism written by Madison, political posters, an antique gas mask, his marriage certificate and a Curious George plush doll.

Stolar has filed an injunction for the return of the property, saying that the warrant was too broad in scope and as such violates Madison's Fourth Amendment rights. The warrant authorized police to seize any evidence of violations of the Anti-Riot Act.

"A warrant is supposed to tell them what they're supposed to take," Madison said. "That is why our Founding Fathers put it in, because they didn't like that the English would use 'Crown warrants,' where they could go in and look for anything they wanted."

Madison said the officers who searched his home had no idea what they were looking for.

"They would point to something, like 'Do we take this Curious George plush toy?' and another would say, 'Yes take it,'" he said.

Stolar also questioned the constitutionality of the Anti-Riot Act itself, which was added into the Civil Rights Act of 1968 in response to the race riots of the mid-1960s and has only been used a few times in the early 1970s to prosecute political activists.

"It's a law that basically targets people who are involved in protests," he said. "Nobody even knows what the law means."

The law itself is vague. It prohibits traveling in "interstate or foreign commerce … with intent to incite a riot" or to "aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot."


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Charles Mostoller is a student journalist and photographer enrolled at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism in New York City. See his work at CharlesMostoller.com

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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 29, 2009 12:42 AM   
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Attach a rider to a bill and sleaze it through Congress under the radar of a complicit media.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Posted by: BeckyD on Oct 29, 2009 2:39 AM   
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He had hoped the Obama administration would be more tolerant of dissent, especially after supporting protest movements in other countries, Madison said.

Fat chance.

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Tyranny is in Full Force When Repeating What's on Public Airwaves is a Crime
Posted by: nobyjingo on Oct 29, 2009 3:31 AM   
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There is no way repeating what is open to the public -- being broadcast on public airwaves -- could be a crime. If the Police want their airwaves not to be public, then it behooves them to make them private, but to arrest and charge anyone for repeating what was heard on public airwaves as if it is a crime is a false arrest and is the epitome of oppression and tyranny.

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Sue for false Arrest
Posted by: laoma on Oct 29, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Hit the city, county and state where it hurts in these tough times...and make it personal. Get the names of all individuals involved and their superiors, from the arresting goons, up to the mayor. Bring 'em to their knees with $100 million dollar lawsuit, or force them to enact even more police-state laws - true colors

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Land of home, free of brave.
Posted by: PJAW on Oct 29, 2009 5:10 AM   
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Eez great coontry, no?

Een old soviet union, vee had no tweeter and cops cood not take it frum you. Dees much better, yes? Ameerikans have much more freedom, dey shood be happy, and not use it so much. You use it too much, you cood vear it out. Dis not good.

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Great News!
Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 29, 2009 5:53 AM   
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Thanks so much for disseminating this information. It is really encouraging to wake up and read about this sort of thing happening.

Doncha see? It is only through struggle that we achieve justice! This is a perfect opportunity to challenge this fascist law. I say, even if he gets his property back, he needs to appeal this warrant and this law all the way to the Supreme Court. Unconstitutional? To say the least. To let it go unchallenged is unamerican to say the least.

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Just goes to show that liberls are also statist
Posted by: kad on Oct 29, 2009 6:09 AM   
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who can't handle dissent. Neither liberals nor conservatives can abide true freedom.

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Kill a Pittsburgh cop for freedom
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 29, 2009 6:18 AM   
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That PD has waged war on the American public.

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Wow........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 29, 2009 6:30 AM   
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Is this not America, where "we" are guaranteed our right to free speech? Is this yet another strike against the people by the Oligarchy, in its attempts and reigning in and squeezing "WE THE PEOPLE"? Why is it that CNN and the media weren't rounded up? So is this just the beginning of the terror on "WE THE PEOPLE"?

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» RE: Wow........ Posted by: easywind
» RE: Wow........ Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com
Out The Bastards
Posted by: Brez on Oct 29, 2009 7:01 AM   
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If you have a scanner and Twitter, perhaps we all should tune in every day and twit where the police are and what they are doing at any given moment. What are they going to do, arrest everyone with a cellphone? Outlaw scanners? How about a web site: What's Your Local Cop Doing Now?

The fascists are still in charge. Obama is just Bush light. One can only hops that the judge, or grand jury, or appellate court, will tell these cops just what a bunch of pigs they really are.

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» RE: Out The Bastards Posted by: expatyank
Is it a NWO/globalist police state yet?
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 29, 2009 7:35 AM   
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Awfully close, I'd say!

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I wonder...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 29, 2009 8:18 AM   
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... what would have happened if anyone at the G20 protests had brought a gun.... as is their right in this country. I wonder if the police would have stood by while someone walked about with an automatic weapon on their shoulder... the way they did at one of Obama's speeches... or if that person would be quickly arrested and carted off... or just shot.

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» RE: I wonder... Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com
Remember, these aren't Obama's people
Posted by: lilygirl65 on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Before we blame Obama or the Dems, let's remember these folks were appointed during the last decade or so. Who was in charge then? That's right. These folks are leftovers from the previous administration. Obama's been busy with foreign policy, the economy, and health care. Correcting eight years of asinine decisions isn't going happen overnight.

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» These are Obama's people Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: No, they're Holder's, Posted by: oregoncharles
Out of Obamas league
Posted by: JFlagg on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Obama has nothing to do with this. The G-7/20 is the big leagues and Obama is just playing triple A ball. In triple A ball you can't keep people with guns from showing up at the US Presidents functions. In the big leagues you have sound cannons and unmarked vans that pick people up off the streets who have signs and chant slogans. Face it, the WTO and IBF are the real big leagers. We in the minors can make all the ruckus we want in our ball park, but don't go messin around talkin about American Jobs and Unions and tariffs on imported goods.

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I hope the ACLU is taking this up
Posted by: morganlafay1 on Oct 29, 2009 8:45 AM   
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It worries me to see this kind of policing on citizens who are actively and peacefully protesting the insane policies of our government.

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OBAMA SENDS MESSAGE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE DOWN
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 AM   
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Mr. Madison was not "inciting a riot" as the Anti-Riot Act indicates, he was actually doing the opposite directing individuals to avoid areas that police were shutting down.

Directly or indirectly, his actions were assisting police in avoiding riot situations.

The Obama regime supported the same use of Twitter in Iran when it suited their imperialist agenda against the current government over there.

This clearly is a violation of First Amendment rights and a statement about the Obama administration of what is still yet to come.

I hope Mr. Madison and his attorneys find justice and receive the full support of people everywhere. This is about all of our rights.

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A scanner and Twitter
Posted by: YogiBear on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 AM   
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I work for local media and never thought of using Twitter to post scanner feeds. I'm guessing journalists all over the country never thought of that. Thanks riot police for giving me the idea!

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I don't see a difference,
Posted by: weslen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM   
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Between this and CB Truckers giving "Smokey Alerts" to fellow drivers.
But then, remember the couple who heard Newt making backroom deals on his cell, over a scanner, recorded the conversation and got arrested for making it public.
On the other hand, I guess, this could be considered "interfering in an investigation" or "obstruction of justice".
Guess it depends on how the information is used.
Remember when Rivera once gave a televised interview from Kuwait and drew a MAP in the dirt, giving away his exact location and, therefore, the exact location of the troops?

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So WHAT (or WHO) needs to be investigated here?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 AM   
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As far as I know, police/fire scanners are LEGAL.
Twitter is LEGAL.
Peaceful assembly is LEGAL.
Public protest is LEGAL, and:
Arresting anyone for all or part of the above is not only ILLEGAL, but UNCONSTITUTIONAL as well.
So WHO should be arrested, and WHAT should be investigated?
Things are just a wee bit ass-backwards here, dontcha think?

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Easy way to overturn the Anti-Riot Act
Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 29, 2009 10:50 AM   
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Use the Act to prosecute tea baggers, 9/12 and Glenn Beck. Sadly they have more power than liberals, libertarians or anarchists, and we could use them to over turn the Act.

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Madison should know better,
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 AM   
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at his age, he should realize that only agencies of the federal, state and local governments can employ secrecy against the people. They also enjoy secret budgets and secret operations. On the federal level they also engage in secret plots to assassinate people who don't agree with our imperial designs.
Perhaps Madison is a victim of our decaying school system which still teaches that we're a democratic Republic, when the reality is that we're a ruthless empire, imbued with the god-given right to democratize the rest of the world at the point of a gun. Praise the lord!
All of our citizens should demand an end to this secrecy on every level! There is NO place for secrecy in a free country that depends on an "informed public" for its governance. And while we're at it, we should rename the Secret Service the Presidential Protection Unit and restrict its activity to just that! No free country should boast a (SS) Secret Service! It's an insult to the people!

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THEY USED THE WRONG LAW
Posted by: billwald on Oct 29, 2009 11:44 AM   
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It has been illegal for 3rd parties to repeat intercepted radio conversations for at least 70 years.

In Washington State one needs two party consent to repeat any conversation publically

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» Not applicable Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Not applicable Posted by: HeavyG
Then the news aids rioters too
Posted by: kedikat on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 AM   
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Live news updates of such events would also be aiding rioters then.
The information that was forwarded was broadcast in a nonsecure way to the whole area. Knowing that anyone with a suitable receiver could hear it, the police themselves committed the crime.

Anyone with a cell phone in a particular location could inform others what is going on there. Would that also be a crime?

A news radio broadcast of the events taking place could also inform so called rioters of police activity.

As many dictatorships are learning, technology is outpacing the ability to herd the people.

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Terrorist State
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Oct 29, 2009 12:00 PM   
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Just another legacy of the Bush/Cheeney administration. Obama likes it and will not change it. Welcome to the Nazi States of America.

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Ahh, yes: "Change"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 PM   
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Just like Bush, only more so.

"Not a dime's worth of difference."

I'll stop being snide for a moment: this is serious. Fascism is advancing just as fast under the Dems as under the Repubs. I'm not surprised, but we need some serious strategic thought about this. Where do we go from here, now that we know that pouring our efforts into the Democratic Party is a dangerous trap? Go home and cover our heads?

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» RE: Ahh, yes: "Change" Posted by: expatyank
HIGH TECH GOSSIP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 29, 2009 12:46 PM   
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Remember Floyd's barber shop on Mayberry, Andy and Barney and the gang gathered and swapped stories, Aunt Bea was at the bucher shop doing the same thing and occasionally a story came back to bite someone. Now a story can make it around the world in seconds. The only way to control people's right to know and to pass it along to others is to outlaw the devices that make it possible. As another commentor said, it's just like picking up the phone. I'm sure we all saw where this was headed a long time ago. ANNA

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted by: remo on Oct 29, 2009 1:09 PM   
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NYtimes report"president" Karzi's brother admitted as being cia for eight years while also known for 'association' within Afghan opium trade.

don't pass it on. It means nothing.

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» RE: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Posted by: expatyank
This kind of police state was where BushCo was headed...
Posted by: reg373 on Oct 29, 2009 4:16 PM   
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The Dick Cheney gestapo, no less -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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the pigs are against this why?
Posted by: ThomasJefferson on Oct 30, 2009 5:53 AM   
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because to them, it's no longer about protecting and serving, it's the "them against us" mentality that they have painted themselves into a corner.

They hate us for our freedoms.

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Public Affairs
Posted by: Kimberly on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 AM   
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It's only illegal if the information is False as far as I know. I post all the time regarding felony fraud by our Department of Justice ... US PATROIT ACT Violation ... and Federal Hospital Insurance Contractors .... defrauding Covered Individuals and Federal Programs with DOJ T18CFR371CRIME - T18CFR1035CRIME is about making false claims|statements regarding health care matters - DOJ doesn't want me in court because I'm not lying.
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Executive Office for United States Attorneys -- RACKETEERING against the ELDERLY
Criminal Resource Manual 923 18 U.S.C. 371
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DOJ RACKETEERING -- The mission of the Office of DISPUTE RESOLUTION ......T18CFR371CRIME - HHS|HMO T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution 42CFR438.704 grievance procedure - 1996 HIPAA Violation .......... is to promote and facilitate the broad and effective use of Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) processes BY the Department of Justice and throughout the Executive Branch of the federal government. Please note that the Office of Dispute Resolution represents, and is working on behalf of, the Department of Justice -- VIOLATION OF CRIME VICTIMS RIGHTS Under federal law T42 U.S.C.10606(b) -- and the United States in matters being handled by the federal government.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced --- 1999 still pending T18CFR242CRIME alternate dispute resolution T18CFR1518CRIME, --- Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Health Care Finance Administration (HCFA),has JURISDICTION over the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996
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1998 ANTI-TRUST ~ The HHS/OIG continues to work with the ( AOA ) Administration on Aging, ( HCFA ) Health Care Finance Administration, and the American Association of Retired Persons ( AARP ) to develop an OUTREACH CAMPAIGN ( 42CFR438.704 Marketing Violation ) to Educate Beneficiaries ( Entitled Individuals with Existing Federal HMO Hospital Insurance Benefits ) and those who work with the ELDERLY to recognize FRAUD AND ABUSE and to report it appropriately ( HHS|HMO illegal agreement T42CFR417.1 grievance procedure - alternate dispute resolution - systematic denial of COVERED Claims | Anti-dumping and Anti-kickback violation - racketeering ). This campaign ( PUBLIC FRAUD T42CFR417.1 ) will be -- WAS fully "LAUNCHED" in 1999
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The PRACTICE ........ 1998 HHS OIG Provider Self-Disclosure Protocol (SDP) in 1998, see 63 Fed. Reg. 58,399 -- VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE PROGRAM - FOR PROVIDERS - RICO - Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR1518CRIME fully launched in 1999 ............ of " POST-CLAIMS UNDERWRITING," which occurs when insurance companies ( Federal HMO Hospital Service Contract Providers ) CANCEL INDIVIDUAL health insurance policies ( HHS|HMO illegal agreement T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance to force illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid Kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ) ....... after providers submit claims for ( T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services ) medical services. ................ to force - fraud by fright, illegal HCFA State Medicaid Kickback conversion.
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Sincerely,
All ENTITLED Federal Employee Health Beneficiaries & the General Public in Region 5 HCFA, who are being criminally denied HHS T42CFR417.1 Existing ( Federal - State - Private ) HMO Health Insurance Coverage, illegally billed for HMO denied covered claims and forced into HCFA State Medicaid Programs for the POOR. Title18CFR1001Crime. 1998 still pending 2009, denial of civil and criminal rights - reporting waste fraud and abuse - Color of Law, alternate dispute resolution

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Lets Stop
Posted by: Dboy on Oct 30, 2009 2:20 PM   
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Lets stop pretending that these various actions by federal and local police have anything at all to do with "law". It's isn't about law, it's about preservation of power.

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Legal is as legal does...
Posted by: LightningJoe on Oct 30, 2009 3:40 PM   
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Search-crazy cops are another example of misplaced consequences. The actual cops who do the search are vanishingly unlikely to ever have to pay for the abuses they inflict on citizens, and so are much more likely to follow orders that conflict with the civil rights of those citizens. This is the same problem we've seen with large corporations counting on being bailed out when they fail.

When a system is prevented from suffering appropriate consequences, it quickly starts doing irresponsible things that it otherwise wouldn't do. Companies NEVER "regulate themselves," except to increase their profits. And if left to regulate themselves, they quickly devolve into self-serving abuses. It's the same with cops.

The GOOD news here, is how we are, as a society, helpless to upgrade our systems, because they are all legacy systems, and they must all be upgraded in concert and... We Are Broke!

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Will this change anything?
Posted by: craigman on Nov 7, 2009 2:57 PM   
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Wonder if we'll see anything in 2012 with this high tech world that we live in an wonder if we can stop it or change the course of history.

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