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4 TV Series That Should Not Be Missed

By Vanessa Richmond, AlterNet. Posted October 16, 2009.


Serial TV is the best way to get a mini-escape into another land, another life, another person’s head -- here are four shows that will help you understand where the country is.
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The following is the second article in a three-part AlterNet series appearing on Fridays on television and culture by Vanessa Richmond.

Humans are full of contradictions. I distrust the status quo, but I love TV, the piece of furniture that among other things, manufactures consent. Why? In part, because TV is rocket fuel for any conversation about that status quo.

And because though I like friends and kittens and books and “real life,” as much as most people, TV can be as delicious as the chocolate chip cookies I often gobble while goggling.

Really good serial TV is the best way not only to get a mini escape into another land, another life, another person's head, it's one of the best forms of cultural shorthand there is -- the fastest way to discuss values, politics and psychology with everyone from your boss to the delivery person.

As I mentioned last week, yes, most TV is utter mind-rotting crap. But I'm here to suggest we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is good TV. And with some critical thinking added to the mix, TV can be a golden cultural artifact.

You want to talk about whether the suburbs work with someone other than a college professor? Well, you can try summarizing the recent urban planning tomb you read, hoping your friends don’t fall asleep in their wine before you finish, so you can actually get to the juicy bits in a particular theory about little boxes made of ticky tacky.

Or you can mention two words: Betty Draper (from Mad Men). Because so many people watch that show, that's all most people need to start a really heated conversation about urban planning, car culture and isolation -- then get into chestnuts like traditional marriage, gender, motherhood, depression, addiction, infidelity, beauty, consumerism and other favorite tropes. Think of it as a performance-enhancing drug for chewy debate that includes everyone.

And in the quest for discussion highs, it's worth looking to sources other than what's on the boob tube right now. Some series have wrapped, but are worth renting in their entire 60-plus-episode glory, partly because the way that they tackle certain issues -- drug culture, gangs, terrorism, racism -- is as good or better than in any other media being produced now.

And partly because, full disclosure, good serial TV episodes can be like a gateway drug. You watch one here and there, then suddenly, one rainy Sunday afternoon, you realize you want the whole season. And with a wrapped series, you can get your mittens on next fix, gorging yourself, without having to wait a full week or a full year for your next fix.

The Wire

Five seasons, 2002-2007

It's not a drug war; it's a drug game. There aren't two opposing armies, but well-matched teams in a giant league, each with smart, lazy, conniving, greedy, innocent, charming, inept, adept players.

The Wire is about the drug game. But it isn't simply a story of good versus bad or a documentation of social systems gone wrong. The series is "great modern literature, a shattering and heartbreaking urban epic" about Baltimore's drug culture and the characters on both sides of the line.

The dealers and the law have careers, marriages, sex, family, friends and identity tied to the game. Each has characters that are simultaneously irresistible and repellent, mundane and horrifying, victim and agent.

Like Omar, a gay, ethical, rogue drug-dealer robber and murderer, who often forges partnerships with the drug trade's untouchables and outcasts -- like women -- who is technically homeless, yet very much at home, and speaks in near Shakespearean dialect.

In one scene, a drug dealer's lawyer cross-examines him, asking how the court could trust the testimony of someone who profits from the spoils of the drug trade. "Same as you," Omar says simply, in his drawl.

In another scene, when one character says of Stringer Bell, the intelligent, systematic, businesslike No. 2 man in what can only be described as the drug corporation, "He's worse than a drug dealer, he's a developer."

It's about the complexities and costs of drug culture. But as one critic said, "They have done what many well-intentioned socially minded writers have tried and failed at: written a story that is about social systems, in all their complexity, yet made it human, funny and most important of all, rivetingly entertaining."

The Sopranos

7 seasons, 1999-2007

There are a few shows that critics fight over to crown the best series on television. In most cases, it's a three-way tug of war between The Wire, Mad Men, and The Sopranos. The Sopranos is dazzlingly good TV.

On the one hand, it's about a New Jersey mob. But it surpasses that often clichéd mafia genre because it’s about far more than guns, kneecaps and pasta. As much as it’s plot-driven, it’s character-driven. It's humorous and dark at the same time, full of "psychological thorniness, and bleak tragedy."


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Tyee Contributing Editor Vanessa Richmond writes the Schlock and Awe column about popular culture and the media. She is also the former managing editor of the Tyee.

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3 great series, and Deadwood
Posted by: cordas on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
which I haven't watched..... yet.

Was looking for something to add to my birthday list and think S1 Deadwood might be making an appearance.

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» Deadwood -- Don't Posted by: J-
» RE: Deadwood -- Don't Posted by: patvic14056
» RE: Deadwood -- Don't Posted by: badkitty
» Definitely Deadwood Posted by: grim ripper
» Deadwood - DO! Posted by: Voicedude
» Deadwood--Definitely do!!! Posted by: morticia
Clueless, immoral, and afflicted with really bad taste
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 16, 2009 2:13 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is what we need to watch? The first three choices (along with Mad Men) are dramas distinguished by their complete lack of likeable, admirable characters. Sopranos is a typical example of worst crap corporate America tries to feed us. Does it not grate on the author that this series glorifies mobsters and mob violence? Is the author entirely unencumbered by morality? Apparently so, and nobody should be surprised, considering what she apparently watches on TV.

And then there's the show that prompts the author to say, "I know, it sounds ridiculous. And, of course it is. It's campy and soapy and full of scenes where sexy robots and humans wear far fewer clothes than are strictly required for the task at hand." But the author still considers it an educational experience.

The author will have a hard time living down this series of columns to ever be taken seriously again. Spending your hours watching this crap is wasteful, and likely to decay your intellect and morals. Writing about this crap and praising it is opening an embarrassing window into the shallowness of your personality, intellect and morals. Telling us that this is the education we lack is beyond idiocy, and is an insult to both readers and the clueless author herself. Hang it up, lady; you're done.

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» Welcome to the real world! Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin
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» Of course Posted by: themotie
» please don't feed the trolls Posted by: wmp2304
Third Female Character in Deadwood
Posted by: Western Sage on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think the author forgot about Calamity Jane, a wonderful character! Deadwood is a true masterpiece.

As for Battlestar Gallactica, if it weren't for the gratuitous lack of clothing it wouldn't be worth watching at all. The humans were so devoid of redeemable character traits that I routed for the Cylons from the third episode onward.

I can't speak to the other two shows because neither held my attention long enough to form opinions.

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Battlestar and not Boston Legal??
Posted by: noir on Oct 16, 2009 2:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I agree with the first 3 suggestions. But over the past few years, which is to say the Bush-Cheney era, Boston Legal often seemed to me one of the few sites of reason and principle on US television. At its best (which it usually was) it hit hard, with insight, knowledge and wit.

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The Wire and Deadwood
Posted by: LHB on Oct 16, 2009 3:16 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Wire rises to the highest heights ever attained in the medium of television, and there aren't too many works in the area of stage and film that can match it, and I'm including Shakespeare. I've never seen a show with even close to the depth of casting (even the local B-More non-actors play their roles as if their lives depended on it), characters that get into your head like lovers, and the complex, continuous sub-plots that evolves in the most sophisticated ways imaginable. I remember being so broken up over Omar's demise in Season 5 that I couldn't make it to work the next day, and judging from the HBO Wire Forums, I wasn't the only one. Omar, Proposition Joe, Bubbles, Slim Charles, Bunk and Rawls are household names in my household, and in every other household who I've turned on to the show. The twice repeated line "A man got to have a code" (first by Bunk and then two seasons later by Omar) sends chills up my spine every time I hear it: a simple, passionate declaration of principle and integrity in the midst of pervasive corruption, incompetence and despair. "Awesome" doesn't begin to describe it; vastly superior to The Soprano's in my opinion.

Deadwood is a very close second, with Ian McShane playing the all time best bad guy who's actually the good guy. It's fascinating to see how a bunch of amoral sociopaths ending up forming a tightly knit community and looking out for one another like family members, after first spending most of their time trying to kill each other.

Anyone who missed these two shows the first time around is in for the treat of a lifetime watching them straight through on DVD. I'm toward the end of yet another Wire marathon, which takes me about 5 days. I'd guess I've watched The Wire and Deadwood about 20 times in their entirety. A lot of that was while recuperating from a life threatening illness and operation, which was actually worth it in light of the time it gave me to repeatedly watch an entire season of one or the other show in a single day.

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» RE: The Wire and Deadwood Posted by: badkitty
Agree to disagree.
Posted by: operdoc on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
All great shows, all but one on luxury, high priced channels and all of them now off the air. Network TV remains a wsteland.

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Dostoievskian characters
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Oct 16, 2009 3:35 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I enjoyed The Soprano's and BSG for different reasons, Deadwood didnt really catch my interest but never failed to amuse me when I watched it, but The Wire...

The Wire was a shock. I had heard it was good but after the first couple episodes I was dubious. Yes it was well written and atmospheric but it was slow... so slow. I had to make an effort to get past the fifth episode but then something clicked inside me. Its not that the show got faster, that it didnt, but rather everything I had been shown so far started to pop again in the most clever and surprising ways. Not surprising in a crappy Lost-y way but because it felt so right yet so new. By the end of season one I was convinced I had seen the best TV possible. I was SO wrong. Every season was as excelent as the first one. Except the second one. The second one was even better.

Season Two moved me. The characters from the first season were wonderfully built, so human. But then it came Frank Sobotka. The stature of the character played by Chris Bauer, his dignity and his contradictions, touched me both politically and emotionally in a way only Dostoievski characters usually can. You carry them on your shoulders long after youve read/watched them.

And its a quality that you can find in a lesser degree on most characters from The Wire. When Gore Vidal said a few years ago that the best literary talents in the USA were working for TV fiction many though that to be an overstatement. The Wire proves them wrong.

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Breaking Bad
Posted by: Jnutter on Oct 16, 2009 3:37 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Watch it. 'nuf said.

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» RE: Breaking Bad Posted by: patvic14056
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» RE: Breaking Bad: YES! Posted by: morticia
» John de Lancie is a mass murderer? Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: Breaking Bad Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: Breaking Bad Posted by: YogiBear
What about us with no "Cable TV"???
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Oct 16, 2009 3:43 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Are there no television programs of redeeming social quality for us??? The only one you listed that I can watch is Battlestar and I can't stand it! Its on Retro TV...

I like "Fringe" and "Bones"... I used to really like "Defying Gravity" but it looks as if that won't be renewed...
Sigh... Poor me...

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» RE: What about us with no "Cable TV"??? Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» Noooo... Posted by: ~Fiona~
» Same here Posted by: zooeyhall
» Um.........DVDs Posted by: felipe
» Oooo... The Library... Posted by: ~Fiona~
» RE: BSG Posted by: Shey
» Cheap DVD player..... Posted by: morticia
» Good idea Posted by: ~Fiona~
» try Hulu Posted by: Shey
TV and cultural/media studies
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 16, 2009 4:22 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
After taking a graduate course on cultural studies and critical media studies, I was hooked on popular movies and TV, not because I enjoyed everything the media offered.

Indeed, much of what I watched was mushy brainless drivel that perpetuated stereotypes and affirmed everything that's wrong in a capitalist consumeristic society, like Desperate Housewives, Hannah Montana and Disney movies.

However, intelligent programs like The Wire, Weeds, Northern Exposure, and plenty of big screen options reversed my disdain for corporate television, because like Michael Moore said in past interviews and in his new movie, and I paraphrase: He can make movies that are anti-capitalist, movies that could bring down the evil system, and as long as their profitable, the corporations will continue producing those shows.

Mass media has its benefits, if progressives are critically engaged in popular culture. It is our way of reaching out to those citizens who are not engaged, who lack the critical thinking skills, facts, sense of justice, compassion, empathetic and humane processes that make us progressives.

I might add (applying critical thinking to those progressives who refuse to engage in popular culture) that refusing to watch popular corporate media could be construed as elitist, or maybe some progressives fear popular media influences. In either case, I suggest those progressives overcome these issues because we must engage with those who are searching for answers, those who have no questions, and those who think they have all the answers.

We are at a crossroad in history where the scales of political justice are tilting slightly in our favor, so we must take advantage of the opportunity to reach out to the many who are disengaged. We do that by entering their world, seeing what they see, viewing what they view and learning what they think. Then, we gently topple their domesticated worlds with critical questions about their lives, their happiness, their lack of engagement in the world.

Peace

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» Oh my! Posted by: countingdaisies
Don't Be Fooled By Cheap Imitations
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 16, 2009 4:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Watch children playing.

Watch your girlfriend take a bath.

Watch the world around you.

TV is how they keep us stupid.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» Right on R. (D) D.!!! Posted by: Pirate1
» So depressing to find Posted by: Shey
Hung
Posted by: tomu4ia on Oct 16, 2009 4:49 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What about "Hung"?

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» sounds interesting Posted by: zooeyhall
Corporate robots 1, humanity 0 . . . again.
Posted by: JayHaden on Oct 16, 2009 5:15 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Spending a passive 500 hours in front of the tube to learn that our culture is sex/drug/violence obsessed? Is the author saying that this is now the way we get a handle on our own society? Not through real time reporting or going out on the street to look around for ourselves?

Spending 500 hours away from our kids (I would hope) is now the best way for us to learn why bad and good people act the way they do? Why not books? What do we tell our kids about the lessons from these shows anyway?

It's not that this stuff isn't a good example of how creative and entertaining TV storytelling can be. The derivative revelation here is that someone is actually telling us that TV, with all its dark implications as a medium, be d' man. I'll wait for the series that tells that one like it is.

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Skins
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 16, 2009 5:16 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Whilst, I now watch very little TV, I eventually discovered a series that both my Teenage kids had been watching.

Skins is just so completely phenomenal, that I think the vast majority of Americans would completely fail to understand it, even if an American network was brave enough to show it. It is however available on DVD, and there are plans for MTV to dumb it down and Americanise it for a US audience.

Skins_(TV_series)

Tony

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» RE: Skins Posted by: morticia
» RE: Skins Posted by: Katlong
???????
Posted by: oneyedjack on Oct 16, 2009 5:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Is this lady a corporate shill, or what?

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» RE: ??????? Posted by: shermhead
Alternet needs to stay out of the tv program review business
Posted by: zooeyhall on Oct 16, 2009 6:20 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and so does Ms. Richmond. The Wire is just a "Miami Vice" re-hash. The Sopranos is an overlong mini-series re-telling of "GoodFellas".

And I think "Battlestar Galactica" is hugely over-rated. As a sci-fi fan from way back, my opinion of the series is that: while it has it's good points as brought up in the article, they are widely separated by long periods of dense dialogue and murky fx.

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» The Kids First Wrote The Story Posted by: tony_opmoc
Haven't seen any of them
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 16, 2009 7:16 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First, I don't have cable. Second, what's on is really implied-violent with megadeaths all over the place. So, I'll just make some shows up myself.

"Bushie": wildly edgy over-the-top black humor. The White House is populated with an Al Qaeda terrorist who always sneaks in and in fact has long conversations with the President, but is utterly Gilligan incompetent at assassinating him. The building has a torture room, a special office for the male prostitute, random conspiracies walk the corridors.

"The Company": an ensemble of farmers try to build up a company. They have dreams about what a "company" should do in the world. Often they succeed. Their biggest problems are sometimes themselves.

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» RE: Haven't seen any of them Posted by: shermhead
Half of this article is an apology or caveat
Posted by: ladyoracle on Oct 16, 2009 7:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If it's that hard to think of shows to recommend, and you can't even name more than one that is still on the air, perhaps either this is not a good topic to write about, or you should try a little harder to come up with something.

Telling me to tune in, then telling me to rent DVDs is two different things. It's weekly tuning in and not knowing what's going to happen until next week and the chatter about it at work the next day that makes TV part of culture and makes its viewers part of a social group. I can go back and watch The Wire, but although people who watched it can still talk about it, that's really stale political action. I agree that in terms of dialogue and consciousness raising, popular media can be a vehicle toward dialogue about all kinds of topics, as Sex and the City did quite well for single women. Albeit all the caveats and apologies.

And what about cartoons? You threw in a sci-fi, but what about comedy? 30-Rock, Family Guy, South Park, or for something off the beaten path, the awesome, but recently laid to rest L-Word? You want a dissertation topic, do a reading of Robot Chicken.

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Drop Battlestar Galactica...
Posted by: CovertRage on Oct 16, 2009 7:36 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... and add Nurse Jackie, or Dexter, or Weeds, or Californication. But, the top three are off the chain!

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omar shakespeare
Posted by: yusandnick on Oct 16, 2009 7:39 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Same as you" is "Shakespearean dialect?"

Case closed.

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» RE: omar shakespeare Posted by: jaded
Nah, I'll take the foreign TV teleseries, Russian and Indian ones especially.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 16, 2009 7:52 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Plenty to laugh and get up in arms about.

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tv
Posted by: okcsteve on Oct 16, 2009 7:56 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
i liek 2 c whats on the tv lets go 2 the mall lawl

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blop!
Posted by: okcsteve on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have this ol catfish-eater guy living with me for a few months. He watches tv ALL THE TIME! I don't know what I love more. The stuff on it, or that mumbling, Charlie Brown grown up sound it makes when you are in the next room. It is great!

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Why is alternet pushing a brain eating industry?
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Oct 16, 2009 8:13 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is the second article pushing television. TV will lower your IQ, destroy your ability to think and it hypnotizes you (yes it does) into buying crap you don't need. Why is Alternet advocating a very destructive medium? Why is TV being pushed as anything anyone should watch. Follow the alternative news.... real news not this kind of article.... and you can figure out where the country is and you certainly don't need television.

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So many issues
Posted by: chaoslegs on Oct 16, 2009 8:17 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First of all, the G in BSG has one "l" Galactica.

Second, every single review is for a cable series. Some of us stick with our over-the-air (OTA) programming. Yes, I have purchased DVD sets of some cable shows and some OTA shows.

Third, every single review is for a show that is done. Do you want to throw us a bone and cover something currently on the air?

These are the shows that I like, and I am thinking progressive, that are OTA this season: The Simpsons (I still think it is good), How I Met Your Mother, Heroes, Big Bang Theory, Criminal Minds, Lost (when it returns for final season), So You Think You Can Dance, Flashforward (love what they are doing with Robert Sawyer's sci-fi novel), and Smallville.

Now I have to admit, I have only seen the first two seasons of BSG, but what the author is describing of the series that I have not completely seen sounds like a horrible review of it. You may want to leave it up to someone a little more versed in sci-fi (can't be trademarked!). I have always liked sci-fi TV shows and books (I live within 4 blocks of the oldest independent sci-fi book store in America and 2nd oldest in the world). And if we want to talk about great sci-fi that had story arc, then the omission of Babylon 5 is a shame. I realize here that I am being a bit harsh on the sci-fi side, but c'est la vie.

And if you want a real thinker, the cable show, Dead Like Me.

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» RE: Why Lost Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» Dead Like Me is the best!!! Posted by: Dankhank
You Lost Me With BG
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 16, 2009 9:09 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The rest are pretty good, BG is a joke except for the eye candy. The Maxim/BG twins can come over to my house any time.

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» RE: You Lost Me With BG Posted by: chaoslegs
» RE: You Lost Me With BG Posted by: ClassAct
the tinfoil hat people...
Posted by: anechoic on Oct 16, 2009 9:12 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...on this list are way more numbing than any amount of the Sopranos or Deadwood could ever be. I do not watch network TV but do enjoy cinema as well as some of these cable TV productions.

BTW: Deadwood is the best example of contemporary writing/cinema you could get on a 'TV show.'

Tinfoil hat people: stay at home and read your detective and mystery novels.

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And you wouldn't know...
Posted by: shermhead on Oct 16, 2009 9:13 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That you come off as self righteous, boring, humorless, and a very unexciting person. I suppose the only TeeVee content that would please you is morally uplifting, feel good tripe with lots of lame ass, whitebread "liberals" saving the day and making the world a better place. Sorry, but some of us like to be able to be adults without your moral scolding. Yes, the Sopranos is about mobsters...and? In no way, shape, or form does it encourage the lifestyle or life choices of them. The Wire paints inner city civil government corruption in a realistic light. Deadwood, unfortunately, is a more factual portrayal of the United States in one of it's formative era's, and again, the corruption exists in the good and the bad people on that program. It tears down the myth so promulgated by Hollywood that things were tough but every person was a saint who moved westward and dislodged the indigenous cultures of those areas. And as for BSG, you would have to be willfully ignoring the open ended moral questions brought up by the series.

leafsong1, please, STFU. You make the conservatives who whine and whinge that liberals and others not on the political right have no sense of humor, are always scolding people for non-PC behavior, and create an image of an egghead know it all who wants to bring everyone down when they are having a good time. Lighten the fuck up, why don't you?

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» Shermhead Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Shermhead Posted by: Habaro
» Habaro Posted by: leafsong1
» "non-educational"?? Posted by: Shey
» Missing the point Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Missing the point Posted by: PopRox80
WHAT????????
Posted by: marjac on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 AM   
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What's all this dark garbage? Get a life, get some fun. Typical liberal article, we can't have fun while watching anything! Get some Brit comedies and enjoy yourself. Give yourself a break and do what humorless liberals do not do LAUGH--it won't break your face. Yes, I am a liberal.

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» RE: WHAT???????? Posted by: noir
Fred Allen
Posted by: JefffromCA on Oct 16, 2009 10:30 AM   
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a host of a radio variety program in the 40s and 50s, and later host of a similar program on television once posed the question of why television was called a medium.

His answer was that it was neither rare nor well done.

And this was in the age of 4 networks and stations going off the air from 1 am to 5 - 5:30.

I wonder what Mr. Allen would say today.

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» RE: Fred Allen Posted by: Shey
TV Entertainment
Posted by: mistery509 on Oct 16, 2009 10:55 AM   
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Prefer watching shows like:

Keeping Up Appearances
Summer Wine
Midsummer Murders
Amazing Race
King of Queens
Judge Judy and Joe Brown
Larry King
Jay Leno
Letterman
Jon Stewart Show
The Weather Channel

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» RELarry King? Posted by: Ellie1
» RE: TV Entertainment Posted by: Jayzer
» RE: TV Entertainment Posted by: mistery509
from turnoffyourtv.com
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Oct 16, 2009 11:03 AM   
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"Do you know we are ruled by TV?"
-- from the poem An American Prayer by Jim Morrison

"They put an off button on the TV for a reason. Turn it off . . . I really don't watch much TV."
-- President George W. Bush, C-SPAN interview, January 2005

"American children and adolescents spend 22 to 28 hours per week viewing television, more than any other activity except sleeping. By the age of 70 they will have spent 7 to 10 years of their lives watching TV."
-- The Kaiser Family Foundation

"You watch television to turn your brain off and you work on your computer when you want to turn your brain on."
-- Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computer and Pixar, in Macworld Magazine, February 2004

"Everybody’s got values . . . The thing that frightens me is the way that an eroding public school system . . . and television on all over the place is leading to a steady dumbing down of the American public and a corrosion of basic critical thinking in the population."
-- Jamie Raskin, American University law professor, November 2004 on the Democracy Now! radio program

"Protestant clergy named divorce, negative influences from the media, and materialism as the three greatest threats to families in their communities."
-- from an Ellison Research study of 695 Protestant church ministers nationwide, October 2004

"The media can wreak great harm on the family when it offers an inadequate or even distorted vision of life, of the family itself and of religion and morality."
-- Pope John Paul II, May 2004

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» turn off your computer Posted by: YogiBear
Two excellent shows, missing due to stupid network cancellations:
Posted by: stilldreaming on Oct 16, 2009 11:05 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Surface (2005)

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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TV/Movies, etc as a Cultural Medium
Posted by: kamcallen on Oct 16, 2009 11:08 AM   
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One thing that always sticks in my mind was an ongoing debate I had with my Dad who grew up in the Depression. I was firm in my belief that I gained a great deal of insight into Depression era and WWII American culture by watching old Warner Bros cartoons from the 30's and 40's. He thought I was absolutely nuts to think that I could learn something as important as that from such a base medium.

I'm not seeing anthing different here between the series of articles and the comments it engenders.

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Profanity and violence: do we understand where the country is?
Posted by: stilldreaming on Oct 16, 2009 11:13 AM   
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I cannot watch Deadwood, inspite of being a fan of westerns. Too dark.

I watched the Sopranos on A&E reruns, because my partner was watching. Drama, a documentary of sorts, maybe.

Enjoyable? NO WAY! How can one care for Tony Soprano, a murderer? How can one enjoy the profanity and the murders? Why spend time with that crowd when this time is our own precious free time --- why not nurture ourselves into reading /watching something more uplifting, or learning, or going for a walk and enjoying nature, or learn a skill ..

How is watching Sopranos making anyone's next day better ?

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What about
Posted by: JudoChopJosh on Oct 16, 2009 11:25 AM   
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I haven't seen The Wire or Battlestar Gallactica, but the others are good. However, why no mention of shows that truly take a stab at originality and although seemingly bizarre and stupid, are some of the most genious shows created?
Wondershowzen... 12 Oz Mouse... Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job... There's a lot out there aside from these hour long super-drama's. They're entertaining sure, but they still hold on to the same "rules" shows have followed for decades.

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» next step .... Posted by: Shey
Serialized Dramas...
Posted by: ceti on Oct 16, 2009 11:56 AM   
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...have actually improved TV tremendously, although it is mostly because you can record the shows, and watch them in a batch together like LOST which is hugely addictive and meaningful if watched several episodes at a time.

Rather than stand-alone episodes that go nowhere, you can tell a story over the long run with a serialized drama, a huge respite from our ADHD-addled society.

However, it's amazing how many FBI agents, cops, doctors, and lawyers infest most drama offerings. Why not any other profession?

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» RE: Serialized Dramas... Posted by: chaoslegs
I would prefer some
Posted by: medusa on Oct 16, 2009 12:43 PM   
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non violent, non war, intelligent drama. For that you have to go to England and BBC.

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» what is too violent? Posted by: chaoslegs
» RE: I would prefer some Posted by: tony_opmoc
Misguided Criteria
Posted by: cultureindustries on Oct 16, 2009 1:24 PM   
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The shows this article extols are what might be termed "good" television. (And that's "television" not "TV") That is, they evaluate shows in terms of conventional literary criteria such as plot, characterization, thematic content, etc. That's middlebrow hooey. I don't believe the author understood Michael Moore at all. The point isn't to turn the vast wasteland into another insipid bourgeois art form. It's to appreciate the anxieties and dreams of the American people which TV both appropriates and exploits. Where's the sociological lessons being drawn from the dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all, neoliberal-feeding-frenzy of The Apprentice? Or the "assurance that we will not starve to death will be purchased by the assurance that we will be bored to death" of The Office? How about the infantile "mama, look @ baby make do-do" execrations of The Jerry Springer show?

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Yeah this is news. Nothing is more important than TV!!!!
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM   
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Watch TV to help with understanding where the country is?

You are fucking nuts lady. Anyone who buys into this bullshit is a moron.

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Save time, live life.
Posted by: eddie torres on Oct 16, 2009 2:34 PM   
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Want to do something much, much, much, much, better than watching 5 full seasons of "The Wire"? Good. Watch the April 17 Bill Moyers interview with David Simon, the executive producer of "The Wire". It's less than 1 hour.

Simon's back-story with the Baltimore Sun will give progressives far more usable urban policy and media consolidation information than his actual TV product.

As far as "The Sopranos", "Deadwood", and "Battlestar Galactica" go... forget it. Sign up for the Randi Rhodes and Thom Hartmann podcasts, download everyday, and listen while you do something productive. Like... post on AlterNet!

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My Mate Anakin - Who Left To Join The Anti-Terrorism Squad Came Up With a Brilliant Idea
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 16, 2009 2:34 PM   
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We All Knew London Was Next on The List

So We Faked It

There Was No Point In Them Killing London People For Real

They Would Get Their Terrorist Result

I Know It Was a Bit Of a Cop Out

But You Have Got To Play These Cunts At Their Own Game

Tony

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Anakin Was Part Of The London Anti-Terrorist Team With Peter Power
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM   
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They ALL Knew LONDON WAS NEXT After New York 9/11.

So How Can We DEFEND LONDON?

Well - We KNOW They Are Going To Do It

So Lets Beat Them To It

We Make Big Bangs - And Put It All Out On The Media As If It Is Real...

And Then They Have No Reason To Attack London

And they say - No We Can't Do That????

O.K. Anakin Says in London At The Ant-Terrorist Meeting

Can Anyone Come Up With a Better Idea?

Tony

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» The View - Shock Horror Posted by: tony_opmoc
And Have a Salty SubWay Sandwich While Vegging Out
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 16, 2009 4:51 PM   
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This is just sad. Product placement and secret advertising have got to be the reason why Alternet keeps doing it!

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Firefly was far better than Battlestar Galactica
Posted by: Alenna on Oct 16, 2009 5:00 PM   
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The Wire was a good male-oriented cop series. They did a good job of showing the lives of drug dealers and street boys - but I found myself asking, where are the girls, and women?

The Sopranos? What is the fascination with organized crime families anyway?

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» Judgmental? Posted by: Alenna
» RE: Judgmental? Posted by: Shey
My Favorite TV Series
Posted by: meldada on Oct 16, 2009 6:42 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
For what it's worth I haven't had cablevision TV in 14 years, I've saved a lot of dough and haven't watched any commercials in years. They say people who don't watch commercials are less apt to be consumerists. Whatever. I do however rent videos and my favorite TV series over the years has been the following in case anyone is reading. i found these thought provoking and brilliant:

The Sopranos
I, Claudius
Traffic-(original)
The Singing Detective
Twin Peaks

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» RE: My Favorite TV Series Posted by: morticia
» RE: My Favorite TV Series Posted by: Jayzer
My Favorite TV Series-Part 2
Posted by: meldada on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I forgot a tv series that is utterly fascinating and historical.
For those that have patience and want to get under the skin of Weimer Germany (for a good time)-Rainer Werner Fassbinder's 15 hour Berlin Alexanderplatz based on the novel of the same name is incredible television. Not for those who need a hook at every turn, this is literature tranferred to television. what a powerful medium, too bad most of American television is so bad except of course for the exceptions.

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Deadwood and The Wire
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 16, 2009 7:34 PM   
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For those who, from their comments, appear to regard television as low brow, or foot brow, if they watch network news, if you like well-written novels (say, Jane Austen) or plays (perhaps the Bacchae), The Wire and Deadwood are their equivalents, just on television. To me, they are definitely Euripides and Shakespeare quality. Although I think DirecTV is a waste of money, at least these two shows were worth it.

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Why watch nonstop violence?
Posted by: miriald on Oct 16, 2009 7:41 PM   
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I see enough violence when I watch the news. All four of these series are full of it (the first three, actually, are nothing but violence.) I'd rather watch something like Mad Men, where almost all the characters can express negative or positive emotions without beating each other to a pulp.

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Early Second Millennium?
Posted by: Bezukhov on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 PM   
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“...the spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine (the hard hitting issues that are coincidentally relevant to what's happening on Earth, circa early second millennium: abortion, religion, terrorism, gender, war, nationalism, racism, and so on...”

I guess those problems are always with us, one way or another. But why, in particular, would we be interested in analogies concerning events and situations on earth around 1100-1200 a.d.?

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You missed one!
Posted by: kilmer7165 on Oct 16, 2009 9:14 PM   
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Although I cannot necessarily disagree with the programs you have chosen since none of them are ones that I have watched, there is one that you have missed in the sci fi category. It started out as a run of the mill today in the future and hidden science projects in the black budgets of this countries military, Stargate hit on quite a few of the political issues of today in its later episodes. One or more in particular were in the last season, "The road not taken" and the few around that discussed issues in America today in the dialog and both sides of the issue. I do agree with the fact that some television is brain rot, but there are other shows not mentioned that also address issues of morality and such in todays world. Keiffer Sutherlands 24 is another show that addresses political issues and unlike Fox's normal bias it does step over the line as far as its main characters and the decisions they make as well as the issue of an "African American" president. I personally do not like separating out a president because of the color of his skin, the show does address bias of most of American culture on this issue. Thanks for the enlightening article though, if there is some time that I am not bored or overridden by the necessity to work as much as I can in these horrible financial times, I will try to squeeze in a few episodes of the recommended shows and pass on my better informed opinion.

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Battlestar Galactica
Posted by: jugdish88 on Oct 16, 2009 10:52 PM   
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People who don't take a break for a moment and sit in contemplation are destined to FAIL! There is nothing wrong with watching a well written show that can bring up issues within our country under the disguise of "science fiction", while actually being a drama. People who tell me that the "book" is always better are those simply hanging on to an ELITIST stand that is hurting anyone with a progressive bone in their body.

I watch TV. I am a progressive. I choose what I watch based on what I feel is clever, funny, interesting, and sometimes poignant. Someone wants to bitch at me because I spend some of my time watching television instead of standing with five people protesting any of our stances! They're the same people that look at me when I come to a meeting and disregard me as not a "real" activist! You people are so full of yourselves, it's no wonder we can't build a movement!

KG

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» Science Fiction Is An Oxymoron Posted by: NoPCZone
» re. jugdish88 Posted by: Shey
Rent Season 1 of Damages
Posted by: Habaro on Oct 17, 2009 12:17 AM   
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Unless leafsong1 says not to, that is.

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Must see TV
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Oct 17, 2009 7:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Deadwood, Breaking Bad, In Treatment, Big Love, The Dog Whisperer, Locked up Abroad, Dexter, Bill Maher,The Wire,Mad Men

All entertaining...all meaningful...all escapism,
I admit...I love television and escapism is exactly what I need in these troubling times.

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Dexter
Posted by: Nebris on Oct 17, 2009 8:35 AM   
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Cause some folks just need killin'.

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RE: Invitation (to Spam?)
Posted by: Jayzer on Oct 17, 2009 12:14 PM   
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adayoung---WHAT does your post have to do with the price of tea in Darjeeling?

To quote Monty Python's Flying Circus (rather loosely): SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM!!!

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How can you watch TV or Videos for what Must be Weeks at a time ...
Posted by: halg on Oct 17, 2009 3:04 PM   
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... and still have time to read Chomsky, Zinn, and other great writers?

People DO still read, don't they ... right?

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» It's not either/or Posted by: Beck
Turn your TV's OFF (after Keith, Rachael, and the weather.)
Posted by: Dickinseattl on Oct 17, 2009 4:21 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't even watch the Speed Channel! (No not that kind!) This "all she want's to do is dance" mentality on a progressive site seems to miss reality, as your recommended shows also do. What next, an indepth analysis of "Balloon Boy? Our economy and job base has crashed, were fighting wars of aggression abroad with jobless mercenaries, our political enemies at home steal our elections and blow up our major buildings to wage wars and all you want to do is dance! (or stare at the boob tube.) TURN IT OFF!! (After watching "Network")

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Bethpikegirl
Posted by: bethpikegirl on Oct 17, 2009 4:36 PM   
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All of the shows mentioned are worth pondering, but I love Entourage and so do my grown kids. It's a fantasy and describes the limits of the Amercian Dream to a tee. It's well done as hell. Anybody out there miss Buffy?

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» Ahh .... Buffy Posted by: Shey
yep
Posted by: maddy on Oct 18, 2009 6:29 AM   
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And spike, and willow, and xander, and anya, and giles...

You should give Dollhouse a try. After ep 5 of last season, it's all Whedongoodness.

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Never watched any of them . . . not even once
Posted by: clresu on Oct 18, 2009 10:29 AM   
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& Don't plan to.

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Sorry, most "average" people don't get these shows
Posted by: left-leaning-libertarian on Oct 18, 2009 11:23 AM   
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"Mad Men" may be critically acclaimed, but in terms of numbers, only a tiny fraction of the viewing public ever sees it. If you tried to start a conversation around the water cooler, most people would give you a blank stare.

All the shows mentioned in this article are on "pay cable" and are not seen by the kind of average people the author seeks to connect with. Those people, even if they could afford to watch "The Sopranos" (highly overrated in my opinion) or "Deadwood", would probably not "get" them the way the author hopes.

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I LOVE Televison
Posted by: maxfrisson on Oct 19, 2009 7:13 AM   
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My uncle owned one of the first TV stations in Virginia, my mother produced & appeared on camera in a regional syndicated kids show in the 50s, I had a TV talk show on a cable-access channel in 1970-71. I have produced more than a hundred commercials [most of my professional life has been spent in ad agencies] - I had a show on FOX Sports for 14 months until canceled and I'm working on a syndicated reality Biker/Tattoo show that premiers soon. [as producer & director] Only the bathrooms and closets in my house don't have cable TV. I even have a small flat screen in the garage.

Television has defined American culture for half a century and the content gets better all the time. The "turn it off, it's brain rot" people were the same people that put forth the Hayes Code in 1934 and who hated comic books and Tales from the Crypt in the 50s. There is a lot a great art on the tube right now, let it flourish. Cut back on the censorship and limits and let it rip. I agree with the shows mentioned as good examples but there so much more.

Personally I dislike contest reality shows, Survivor, Greatest Race, the weight loss shows and prime time game shows. I don't watch anything medical - never have liked doctor shows. I'm pissed at NBC for going cheap and putting Leno in a prime time slot 5 nights a week. I prefer scripted drama, I don't watch much half-hour comedy although 2-1/2 Men, Simpson and South Park I like to catch.

Have you seen Sons of Anarchy? You should! Dexter is fine drama, Deadwood will have a cult following for the next half century. I have every Have Gun, Will Travel episode. The Shield, the New Dr Who [and the old]. I think the latest Stargate Universe has potential [Lost meets Stargate].

Anybody ever see the series Hustle? Or Leverage on TNT, The Closer? Monk? Or Psych? The Adventures of Brisco County Jr? Checkmate? Some of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes were genius, way ahead of the curve. Firefly! Early years of X Files, the first two seasons of Supernatural. LOST fell apart, too many writers with weak ideas trying to stretch what should have been a 13 episode story arc. They have been jumping sharks since season two.

Those that have a blanket dismissal of the medium forgo a lot of great entertainment

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Who
Posted by: Juven on Oct 21, 2009 7:10 PM   
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could think any of that crap is good for you?

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